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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Spock on April 21, 2014, 01:11:30 pm
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Which games could have been improved the most? IMO, it should have been The Crow: City of Angels. Of course, that was not developed or published by Sega. It was on a Sega console though. Try being constructive. It can be a game published or developed by Sega. As long as Sega had some involvement, which game do you think was the worst on a Sega console?
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Well, to answer the question "which game do you think was the worst on a Sega console?"
I'd say... MotoCross or BC Racers on the 32X. For what the 32X is capable of, both are pretty awful and MotoCross is unplayable.
Not on a console: Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 for sure.
What a pile of shit. I mean, I am a BIG fan of the franchise. I own just about every game (I'm only missing some of the Wii and Wii U spin-off titles like Mario & Sonic and Black Knight), and I've completed every main series title more than once... except for Sonic '06. It is just such a broken piece of garbage.
And honestly, I've tried! But every time I return to the game, I progress by 10 minutes and get angry all over again and quit. Radical Train can die.
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Worst game on a Sega console is easily Death Crimson:
http://youtu.be/aRmtQFC02wo
I think Bug! is a pretty good candidate for the most yawn-inducing Sega game. The sequel is a bit better though.
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Well, to answer the question "which game do you think was the worst on a Sega console?"
I'd say... MotoCross or BC Racers on the 32X. For what the 32X is capable of, both are pretty awful and MotoCross is unplayable.
Not on a console: Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 for sure.
What a pile of shit. I mean, I am a BIG fan of the franchise. I own just about every game (I'm only missing some of the Wii and Wii U spin-off titles like Mario & Sonic and Black Knight), and I've completed every main series title more than once... except for Sonic '06. It is just such a broken piece of garbage.
And honestly, I've tried! But every time I return to the game, I progress by 10 minutes and get angry all over again and quit. Radical Train can die.
I think most of the 32x games were bad. The 32x was just a waste of time and money. That's just what I think though. BTW, how long did it take you to collect all the Sega games you have?
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I think most of the 32x games were bad. The 32x was just a waste of time and money. That's just what I think though. BTW, how long did it take you to collect all the Sega games you have?
At the time 32X was a bad idea, but since all that stuff is history now, it's worth owning. There are enough games to justify owning one (After Burner, Space Harrier, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racing, Chaotix, Kolibri, Tempo).
As for my collection, I guess a third I bought as I came across games when they were new or used but the consoles were still active (Genesis, Dreamcast). The rest I've bought used over the years. I've been buying video games since 1991, but I've only been collecting since 2006.
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No mention of Crazy Bus? D:
I know it's a pirated game, but still....
Hmm....what about Desert Bus?
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Well, the worst game of time, would have to be something on the genesis, that has worst graphics then the NES. Like a puzzle isometric ball game, that makes little sense to the normal person. I will be honest, while the Genesis has many great games, as well as the Saturn, most of them are from Japan, and are unknown. So the worst game, would be something that is unknown. Otherwise being programmed decent is good enough, for me nowadays.
The worst game ever is Phantasy Star Online. I love it so, but the damn people keep BSOD me everytime. It was so terrible, because I had collected most of the items in the game through trade, and through battle. Then I got BSOD. Then I did it all again, but being a fool, I went to Japan, where this one group, was like "All westerners cheat" then this one jerk in the group BSODed me, ( because that one jerk was cheating ). Afterwards I did something even more stupid, I deleted my call card, from some bad advice.
I miss all those moments, Their was friendship, stories, love, and acquaintances, because of that game, the world looks so different to me. So I mean it hurts me a lot, inside. I called SEGA about it, and I got this damn woman, who was like "I know it is bad" "their is nothing I could do about it", I mean I was on the phone, shocked, with this person, jerring me along. I paid money every month for that damn, game, and every second or so, their is a damn BSOD, person ruining it for everybody.
I really loved that game, it made the RPG genre fun again.
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No mention of Crazy Bus? D:
I know it's a pirated game, but still....
Hmm....what about Desert Bus?
What is Desert Bus? Are you speaking of Smoke & Mirrors. If so, then that game was never released. It would have been an interesting Sega CD game though.
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No mention of Crazy Bus? D:
I know it's a pirated game, but still....
Hmm....what about Desert Bus?
Bro... This is not "the best sega game ever" thread
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90 minutes on the Sega Dreamcast, that was an awfull soccer game.
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90 minutes on the Sega Dreamcast, that was an awfull soccer game.
I almost forgot to mention sports games. Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games could have been a lot better. It only had one flaw. The flaw was that it should have never been made.
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Robotnik can outrun Sonic period. Even in the cartoon short, but I mean wow, just wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CmGsznJPRY
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There are plenty of bad games which were released to Sega Consoles.
Though None of those were published by Sega
(http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/halolz-dot-com-sonic4-hatersgonnahate2.gif)
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Sonic 2006 I still consider not only the worst Sega game, but the worst game ever created.
It took about half a minute of loading time for two lines of text. The game was an absolute travesty, I've still never seen anything quite so shoddy before or since it's release.
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In recent memory, Sonic 2006 takes the cake, for sure.
The original Sonic Riders also gets s*** from me.
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'06 wasn't on a Sega console.
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It would still be terrible even it was released on a SEGA console.
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It would still be terrible even it was released on a SEGA console.
Spock wanted our opinions on what we felt was the worst game on a Sega console though.
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This is what I posted at the beginning of the thread:
It can be a game published or developed by Sega. As long as Sega had some involvement, which game do you think was the worst on a Sega console?
I guess that is kind of confusing though, because most people were posting stuff from Sega consoles only. It can be any Sega game. As long as Sega had involvement.
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There have been plenty of awful games on SEGA consoles, many of them worse then Sonic 06 and some published by SEGA. I think the main problem here is that not many people really spend their time playing bad games. I mean, why would I waste my time playing a game like Hi-Octane or Toy Story 2 when I could be playing fucking After Burner?
Anyway, I do have a load of awful Dreamcast and Saturn games that I can't quite recall off the top of my head since....well I didn't really play them much. I'll try to name a few.
One awful game I remember is Ducati World for the SEGA Dreamcast. When I bought it I knew what I was getting in to, but I still wasn't quite prepared or how ugly it would look or how poorly it would handle. I've never played a racing game this bad before.
On the 32Xcd, there's the FMV game Supreme Warrior. I tried to play it for a quick review a year ago, but I could never even get past the first sequence. I must've read the manual from front to back and it still did me no good because the game's conveyance is just so awful.
Oh, and Chronicles of Pern and Toy Story 2 were just awful, messed up games.
Fighting Force 2 is a game i've made a couple attempts to play just for an awful review, but the controls are so awful it's just....tedious.
I'll be back later with some SEGA published games.
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Genesis - Technocop, Last Battle, Hard Drivin' and Steel Talons. Technocop, in spite of some kickass music, is horrendously boring. The timer runs far too fast and controls are clunky. Last Battle shares many of the same issues with Technocop, though it's actually worse, thanks in large part to the insipid dialogue and piss-poor animation. Hard Drivin' and Steel Talons are just shit. They control well enough, but the framerate moves at half the speed of smell. Awful.
SEGA CD - Wirehead, Double Switch and Cliffhanger. While Wirehead does have a hefty dose of cheesy charm, it's absolutely ridiculous. Having to watch the same shitty scenario unfold over and over again until you figure the correct route is nauseating. Double Switch is annoying to watch on many levels and too complicated to control. Also, I fucking hate Corey Haim. Cliffhanger is also available on Genesis, but SEGA CD takes the cake. That snowboarding section is so damned frustrating, I'd rather play one of the Super Star Wars games on SNES. They seem easier through comparison.
32X - Motocross Championship and B.C. Racers. Motocross is a budget Genesis title in disguise. Seriously, Road Rash II looks, sounds, plays WAY better than this shit-fest. B.C. Racers looks decent, but the music is fucking atrocious and controls aren't much better.
There's some terrible Saturn and Dreamcast titles, yes, but I can't go on anymore. Just thinking about the games I've mentioned depresses the unholy fuck outta' me.
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I still can't believe how Sega or anyone for that matter can release a broke, buggy, just absolute mess of a game that is Sonic 06
On a Sega Console though...I would probably say Motocross Championship on the 32X
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Sonic 2006 I still consider not only the worst Sega game, but the worst game ever created.
It took about half a minute of loading time for two lines of text. The game was an absolute travesty, I've still never seen anything quite so shoddy before or since it's release.
I completely agree.
Sonic 06 is a game that should have stayed a few more months in development before being released.
The number of bugs the game is unbelievable.
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I still can't believe how Sega or anyone for that matter can release a broke, buggy, just absolute mess of a game that is Sonic 06
The sad part about Sonic 06 is there's a great game in there somewhere. Just let down by horrible controls and an unfinished and unoptimized engine. The game needed another year worth of work, but stupid SEGA made a big play on the 15th anniversary and so the game had to come out, come what may.
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There is no great game in Sonic 06. Fix all the bugs and it still has horrible level designs, dodgy art direction, downright awful story and horrible badniks and bosses.
The only redeeming feature the game had was the soundtrack.
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There is no great game in Sonic 06. Fix all the bugs and it still has horrible level designs, dodgy art direction, downright awful story and horrible badniks and bosses.
The only redeeming feature the game had was the soundtrack.
No Sonic game features a good story lol . The level design is pretty cool and really don't get the issue over the Art - the game as some fantastic art and some nice levels just let down but a main character that you could barely control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aArqMPW8iIA
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No Sonic game features a good story lol . The level design is pretty cool and really don't get the issue over the Art - the game as some fantastic art and some nice levels just let down but a main character that you could barely control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aArqMPW8iIA
Kingdom Valley and Crisis City are the only levels that are orginal, with a decent idea and level art.
Some levels have a decent layout (like Wave Ocean), but most of it is really uninspired and generic.
Even with Generations Mods of 06, the repetetiveness and blandness of Flame Core, Dusty Desert and White Acropolis become really apearent.
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No Sonic game features a good story lol . The level design is pretty cool and really don't get the issue over the Art - the game as some fantastic art and some nice levels just let down but a main character that you could barely control
I disagree, Sonic 2 had a good story IMO (and a nice little spoof on the Death Star). So did S3&K, and it told it all through 16bit sprites in seconds-long cutscenes and backgrounds better than the horrendous voice acting in Sonic 06.
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Here's an awful game for you: SCUD the Disposable Assassin. Great comic, great CGI, awful game. Just walk to the right and constantly get attacked by the same few enemies over and over again. I don't believe there was any level geography or anything, and the only thing that broke these "stages" up were light gun levels which had pretty much the same design: walk down a corridor and get attacked by the same sprites over and over again without any variation.
Of course, I never got particularly far, but I'm told this never really changes.
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I disagree, Sonic 2 had a good story IMO (and a nice little spoof on the Death Star)
What story ? . One had to read the manual to get the story of Sonic II and even then it was simple beyond belief. There's on introduction to Sonic II not explain why tails is with you, what your goals are , what you're fighting for it's just straight into the game .
Games like Mario or Sonic don't need stories and just as well really .
Kingdom Valley and Crisis City
I really liked most of the Art and levels like Wave Ocean looked good (when not moving :P ) . The huge trouble for Sonic 06 was through development the PS2 Shinobi Team joined and introduced elements from their planned new Shinobi game and used that games planned physics in Sonic 06 and just swapped Joe for Sliver. The Shinobi Sonic 06 Producer lost control of the team and the games budget and boy did it show
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Kingdom Valley and Crisis City are the only levels that are orginal, with a decent idea and level art.
Some levels have a decent layout (like Wave Ocean), but most of it is really uninspired and generic.
Even with Generations Mods of 06, the repetetiveness and blandness of Flame Core, Dusty Desert and White Acropolis become really apearent.
Exactly, for a platformer it was pretty poor and it shows in a fixed playable version of it using the Generations engine. It just is not a good game in any stretch of the word.
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Sonic '06 is irredeemable garbage. It is the worst thing ever to exist with the SEGA name on it. I'm a pretty big Sonic fan, and it is the one game of the main series that I have not beaten because it just killed me inside. So much of it is bottom of the barrel garbage...
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It is the worst thing ever to exist with the SEGA name on it.
Its not worse than Shadow games or the likes of SEGA Ages 2000 range
Undercover 2025 must rank as one of the worst SEGA Dreamcast games ever made
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Sonic '06 is nowhere near as bad as Sonic Unleashed. I mean, if Sega was going to make a children's game, then why is it that even children hate that game? I know Sonic '06 had long load times and a bad storyline. Sonic Unleashed had the worst storyline in video game history. It probably would have had long load times, if it were made before 2006. Think about this, both games had a hedgehog that would talk to multiple humans and both human/hedgehog did not find that strange at all.
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Uh, I'm not even a Sonic fan, but there are countless films, TV shows, games and stories in which human and anthropomorphized animal characters interact. In the present and all the way back through the history of literature. It only seems to be Sonic hater/fans who find this to be some kind of anguishing betrayal of logic and reason.
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Master System: Alex Kidd in High Tech World
Miracle World is great and Shinobi World is awesome, but this doesn't look or feel like an Alex Kidd game. I understand is started life as another game, but so did Mario 2 and it's still fun. Maybe it's too much of a departure from the Alex Kidd formula, but I hate this game.
Mega Drive: Hard Drivin'
Two words. Fundamentally broken.
Mega CD: Entire Make My Video series
Why does this exist? They're not really games and even at the time I could not have cared less about C&C Music Factory, Kriss Kross or Marky Mark.
32x: BC Racers
Terrible Mario Kart clone. I understand the Mega CD version is better, but I never played it. It controls so poorly.
Saturn: Street Fighter The Movie The Game
I hate this movie and I hate the game even more. Why would anyone try to make Street Fighter into a Mortal Kombat clone? That's insane!
Dreamcast: South Park Rally
Speaking of crappy Mario Kart clones. Before the awesome Stick of Truth came out, any game featuring South Park was always incredibly poor.
As a 3rd Party: Sonic 06
Two problems exist with this game. The first is the game is broken. It's so bugged it drove me insane at a number of parts. The thing is that if it had been finished properly, the story is stupid. I have no interest in a love story between a woman and an anthropomorphised hedgehog.
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@TruthEnigma - several of those are not SEGA games, they're only running on SEGA hardware. South Park Rally wasn't even developed for a SEGA console, it's a port.
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Well some of the worst and biggest SEGA letdowns for me would be
Virtual Athlete 2K , AX- 101, Nightshade, Shadown the Hedgehog , Gale Racer Motherbase 2000,Midnight Raiders , Project Altered Beast, Virtua Quest, Sonic 06 and the shit that is Afterburner III (mega cd)
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@TruthEnigma - several of those are not SEGA games, they're only running on SEGA hardware. South Park Rally wasn't even developed for a SEGA console, it's a port.
My apologies. Try this.
Master System: Alex Kidd in High Tech World
Miracle World is great and Shinobi World is awesome, but this doesn't look or feel like an Alex Kidd game. I understand is started life as another game, but so did Mario 2 and it's still fun. Maybe it's too much of a departure from the Alex Kidd formula, but I hate this game.
Mega Drive: Super Thunder Blade
The Megadrive had kind of a crappy launch, with a couple of notable exceptions. The worst of which is Super Thunder Blade. The arcade title is fantastic, but this port is awful. What's really amazing is that Sega keeps putting it on compilations. Why for the love of all that is good? It sucks.
Mega CD: Entire Make My Video series
Why does this exist? They're not really games and even at the time I could not have cared less about C&C Music Factory, Kriss Kross or Marky Mark.
32x: Slam City with Scottie Pippen
The 32x had this along with NBA Jam Tournament Edition. NBA Jam is a classic. This is near unplayable. Who though this was a good idea?
Saturn: Sonic R
The controls are so poor and the pacing is slow. Perhaps they could have developed a 3D exploration game, but as a racing game, it sucks.
Dreamcast: Sonic Shuffle
I hate Mario Party and this is a poor clone of a game I hate. Not a good recipe.
As a 3rd Party: Sonic 06
Two problems exist with this game. The first is the game is broken. It's so bugged it drove me insane at a number of parts. The thing is that if it had been finished properly, the story is stupid. I have no interest in a love story between a woman and an anthropomorphised hedgehog.
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Sonic '06 is nowhere near as bad as Sonic Unleashed. I mean, if Sega was going to make a children's game, then why is it that even children hate that game? I know Sonic '06 had long load times and a bad storyline. Sonic Unleashed had the worst storyline in video game history. It probably would have had long load times, if it were made before 2006. Think about this, both games had a hedgehog that would talk to multiple humans and both human/hedgehog did not find that strange at all.
Story wise Sonic Unleashed was horrible, but at least the Sonic sections were half-way decent at times. Sonic 06 was just a mess through every character's gameplay segment.
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Last Action Hero (Genesis) - Barely made it past the 2nd stage
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Genesis) - A very stiff and cheap platformer. I remember using a Game Genie to see what the rest of the game was like and still couldn't beat the last stage. A real disappointment since there have been some great Indy titles on other platforms.
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Alex Kidd in High Tech World was a western port of Anmitsu Hime (old manga). Shinobi World was first being built as another game and then changed midproduction to an Alex Kidd game for western audiences.
I liked Sonic Shuffle, but I know that a lot of people hate the game.
Master System: Alex Kidd in High Tech World
Miracle World is great and Shinobi World is awesome, but this doesn't look or feel like an Alex Kidd game. I understand is started life as another game, but so did Mario 2 and it's still fun. Maybe it's too much of a departure from the Alex Kidd formula, but I hate this game.
Dreamcast: Sonic Shuffle
I hate Mario Party and this is a poor clone of a game I hate. Not a good recipe.
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SEGA Master System - Altered Beast
This is an awful port of the arcade original. While it both looks and sounds decent on SMS, movement is incredibly choppy and the control is atrocious. You have to press 'UP' to jump, which is problematic. In addition the response time is slow.
SEGA Genesis - Last Battle
I'm sure this one is obvious. I've been told that the Japanese version is better. Sadly, I never played that game. The graphics are dull, sound effects are recycled from Altered Beast, and the translation is almost as bad as Metal Gear on NES. This game is pure shit.
SEGA CD - Wild Woody
It's a side-scroller where you play as a pencil. 'Nuff fucking said.
SEGA 32X - N/A
I've yet to play a game developed by SEGA for 32X that I didn't enjoy.
TO BE CONTINUED....
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SEGA Master System - Altered Beast
This is an awful port of the arcade original. While it both looks and sounds decent on SMS, movement is incredibly choppy and the control is atrocious. You have to press 'UP' to jump, which is problematic. In addition the response time is slow.
Games like this for the Master System that have unusually large characters are often achieved by using background tiles rather than sprites. (The huge enemies in Space Harrier are another example). But the tradeoff is that background tiles have to move in increments of 8 pixels rather than in increments of 1 pixel, like sprites can. So you're grappling with the system to control a character that always moves up to 8 times the distance as a sprite-based character. You can see that some of the enemies are sprite-based - they move more slowly from frame-to-frame, and they have a lot of flicker.
It's a cool way of using the system in a way that wasn't originally intended (possibly invented by Yuji Naka who developed the SMS version of Space Harrier) but it's got its tradeoffs.
An example of a Master System game with large characters done really well, IMO, is Shadow Dancer. It's a really faithful conversion of the coin-op game (although due to memory limitations, one stage from each level has been omitted) - as compared to the Genesis/MD Shadow Dancer which is a complete re-imagining of the game (also very cool, though). The characters are made of groups of sprites, and are animated really nicely and move precisely. But the tradeoff in this case is that there are much fewer enemies onscreen at once.
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That's interesting. I just wish the game was playable. Not that it matters very much seeing as how we have the Genesis version, as well as the arcade version, on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection for PS3 and Xbox360.
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SEGA CD - Wild Woody
It's a side-scroller where you play as a pencil. 'Nuff fucking said
I think that's one of the worst games I have ever played . but it was worth owing from one reason and that's the awesome Bonus level music and it's always nice to see a developer use the ASIC hardware too :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAo4fg08mno&list=UUG24L5-tG3GNwPyx1Xu4p-g
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Was Fighting Vipers 2 on Dreamcast decent?