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Title: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: 3raser on May 31, 2013, 02:55:29 am
UPDATE: IT'S HAPPENING!!!


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Original post:

http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/05/28/shenmue-3-and-wii-u-exclusive-dreams/ (http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/05/28/shenmue-3-and-wii-u-exclusive-dreams/)

http://n4g.com/news/303797/shenmue-3-is-finally-announced (http://n4g.com/news/303797/shenmue-3-is-finally-announced)

I realize that people have made false announcements of this game for over ten years. It's just that the links are actual news and not forums websites. I'm not sure if it is official. I just wanted to know everyone's opinion.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 31, 2013, 06:17:58 am
The second link is from April's Fools 2009.

The first one is being discussed in this thread: http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=2552.0

It's cool to speculate. Especially when in comes to Shenmue III. But every single freaking year there are Shen3 rumours before E3. So don't get your hopes up. It's a shot in the dark.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 31, 2013, 06:36:32 am
The second link is from April's Fools 2009.

The first one is being discussed in this thread: http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=2552.0

It's cool to speculate. Especially when in comes to Shenmue III. But every single freaking year there are Shen3 rumours before E3. So don't get your hopes up. It's a shot in the dark.

I understand why you might post something bad about the console design thread that I created. I honestly should have not created that thread. I will no longer post in it. This thread however, serves a purpose. The link you have does not discuss the link I gave. It only discusses voice actors for Shenmue III. You can correct me, if you like. I just do not appreciate someone who is trying to be rude who follows my every thread to see what they can post to make it unsuccessful. I hope you will understand and be reasonable about this.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: mylifewithsega on May 31, 2013, 06:57:17 am
3raser, Shenmue III is being discussed in the thread that crackdude posted. Read it thoroughly and you'll see that.

Crackdude isn't being an asshole. I'm quite sure of that. In any case, here's to a successful thread.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 31, 2013, 07:27:32 am
3raser, Shenmue III is being discussed in the thread that crackdude posted. Read it thoroughly and you'll see that.

Crackdude isn't being an... I'm quite sure of that. In any case, here's to a successful thread.

Crackdude was the only person that posted anything about a Shenmue III announcement in that thread. The link I gave was not being discussed in it whatsoever. Why debate rather to have two threads or not? It's not like the other is a sticky thread. Instead of everyone trying to start a debate, why can we not just use this thread for a simple Shenmue III topic? After all, it is quite different given the fact that it is not speaking of voice acting. I was speaking of Shenmue III as a more general term.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on May 31, 2013, 08:35:10 am
What is there to say about Shenmue III? How it will probably never happen in our lifetime? :V
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on May 31, 2013, 09:05:05 am
Wow. Some of the people on here were being very rude to 3raser, even when 3raser tried to be kind to them. That's why I left sega forums. Too many rude people. Especially Clumsyorchid. Anyway, I still do not support Shenmue 3. I have to agree with TimmiT because if they wanted to make it, then they would have a long time ago. they already had the script for it when they were writing the first Shenmue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 31, 2013, 09:09:13 am
Wow. Some of the people on here were being very rude to 3raser, even when 3raser tried to be kind to them.

Thank you.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 31, 2013, 10:18:00 am
Wow. Some of the people on here were being very rude to 3raser, even when 3raser tried to be kind to them. .
Nobody was rude to 3raser. I just pointed out that the first link's content was already being discussed in another thread and gave my opinion. I'm not against the existance of this thread at all. I don't get 3raser's defensive attitude on this one really.

What an overall pointless discussion this is.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 31, 2013, 10:49:33 am
Nobody was rude to 3raser. I just pointed out that the first link's content was already being discussed in another thread and gave my opinion. I'm not against the existance of this thread at all. I don't get 3raser's defensive attitude on this one really.

What an overall pointless discussion this is.

You stated that you were not against this thread, then again you said it was pointless. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Please stop posting useless arguments that do not make any sense anyway. I really hope you will not be hostile about this thread anymore. I just want this to be a Shenmue topic. Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Ben on May 31, 2013, 11:13:33 am
Alright guys lets try to steer this back on-topic...

Or at least to a topic less argumentative.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 31, 2013, 12:30:09 pm
You stated that you were not against this thread, then again you said it was pointless. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Please stop posting useless arguments that do not make any sense anyway. I really hope you will not be hostile about this thread anymore. I just want this to be a Shenmue topic. Is that too much to ask?
THIS discussion YOU are constantly feeding is pointless. Because THIS discussion has nothing to YOUR topic.

So either stop playing victim and talk about Shenmue or get the thread locked up and be a victim.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 31, 2013, 10:04:12 pm
THIS discussion YOU are constantly feeding is pointless. Because THIS discussion has nothing to YOUR topic.

So either stop playing victim and talk about Shenmue or get the thread locked up and be a victim.

I was attempting to talk about Shenmue this entire time. I'm sorry if you are angry with me. I was just trying to stay on topic, then every time that happened you would post how much you hated this thread. To finally start being ON-TOPIC, Shenmue III is an excellent idea. I think the creator has held off creating it for so long because he wants everyone to be in anticipation. If the script was already written, then why not make the game?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on June 01, 2013, 05:31:37 am
To finally start being ON-TOPIC, Shenmue III is an excellent idea. I think the creator has held off creating it for so long because he wants everyone to be in anticipation. If the script was already written, then why not make the game?
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2013/05/money.jpg)

/thread

Actually, to be fair, a new Shenmue game now would probably cost about as much as a Yakuza game. Problem is that SEGA knows Yakuza games sell enough for them to make their money back, while for a new Shenmue game this isn't certain. Especially seeing how long it's been since the last Shenmue game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 01, 2013, 06:16:31 am

/thread

Actually, to be fair, a new Shenmue game now would probably cost about as much as a Yakuza game. Problem is that SEGA knows Yakuza games sell enough for them to make their money back, while for a new Shenmue game this isn't certain. Especially seeing how long it's been since the last Shenmue game.

That is very true. It's just that we have to keep in mind that a Shenmue game in the current era would be different than the Shenmue games in the past. The script had a better plot than the ones before, so at least classic Sega fans would want to buy it. The rest of the people who have not heard of Shenmue might think about it if the trailer and game case are both very appealing. At least most of the classic Sega fans would not be having debates about it any longer. They would all be glad it was released instead.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 01, 2013, 01:49:17 pm
The biggest question for me is what would be the ideal platform. With next gen coming it could either go massive power(ps4) or average power (WII U).
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 01, 2013, 04:55:49 pm
These days, PC seems more and more like the ideal platform to me.  Especially with the Oculus Rift coming out in the next year or so.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 01, 2013, 05:36:01 pm
That is a very good point. Can't believe how I always forget about PC as a possible platform for the series. While I would love so, I think it is unlikely SEGA's gonna go PC only. I think a lot of people wouldn't be too happy with that. I too feel that shenmue is very much a console experience. But I do think it could be multiplatform with PC.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 02, 2013, 12:59:26 am
That is a very good point. Can't believe how I always forget about PC as a possible platform for the series. While I would love so, I think it is unlikely SEGA's gonna go PC only. I think a lot of people wouldn't be too happy with that. I too feel that shenmue is very much a console experience. But I do think it could be multiplatform with PC.

Most gaming companies would release a game for multiple consoles. Including PC, mobile phone, Xbox 360/One, PS3/4, and WiiU. I do not see why Sega would want to make it only for one console. It would not have much success that way.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 02, 2013, 10:29:04 am
The reason why I think itd be likely to be an exclusive is because of how careful they should've wanna be with the series. It's a valuable franchise with a big risk, so expecting a sort of partnership isnt too farfetched.

I also think shenmue as a multiplatform, expecting it to have a lot of attention to detail, is gonna require a lot of time to have it push every platform. If that wouldn't happen, one of the versions will end up being less good. I personally wouldn't like the franchise to be treated carelessly like that. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on June 02, 2013, 10:33:43 am
Most gaming companies would release a game for multiple consoles. Including PC, mobile phone, Xbox 360/One, PS3/4, and WiiU. I do not see why Sega would want to make it only for one console. It would not have much success that way.
Same reason Sonic Lost World is Wii U exclusive: funding.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 02, 2013, 09:53:26 pm
Shenmue City was already released on iOS devices. It's not available anymore. It did not have much success. A console game would be better because of the following reasons:

1. No one has to know what Shenmue is to play it. Instead of typing it in a phone, they can see it in the store.

2. The controls are better.

3. Sega would make more money because mobile games are either free or cost very little per person.

If you are speaking of PC game, then that might work. They planned to make a Shenmue Online. It was cancelled. I think a PC game might be a good way to go. It's just that I would rather see a console game because I don't play many games with a computer. Most people don't. They either play console games or mobile games. Sega is not going to release a PC game to see if sales would be enough for a console game because a console game would make more money than a PC game would.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Ben on June 02, 2013, 10:05:21 pm
Exclusivity would be likely only because I doubt Shenmue III would ever happen without someone putting up the money for it, and of course that company would want the game exclusively on their system. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 03, 2013, 01:22:50 am
Exclusivity would be likely only because I doubt Shenmue III would ever happen without someone putting up the money for it, and of course that company would want the game exclusively on their system.

I might actually donate a lot money to Sega for them to make that game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on June 03, 2013, 09:05:31 am
I might actually donate a lot money to Sega for them to make that game.
And this just shows how little you know about how much Shenmue III would cost to make. :V
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: stang2712 on June 03, 2013, 04:09:13 pm
heres the thing about sega releasing shenmue three they would have to keep the save transfer in tact because without the save transfer shenmue isnt the same without that then it aint the same journey you were destined to have based on your decisions from the first game (or first two if your japanese or european) and they simply cant do that without packing in some magical piece of hardware that they would have to pack in either that or they would have to re-release the first two games to go along with the third
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 03, 2013, 04:51:54 pm
And this just shows how little you know about how much Shenmue III would cost to make. :V
Maybe he's filthy rich, you never know..

(being totally legit here, please nobody get mad, srs)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 03, 2013, 06:05:47 pm
heres the thing about sega releasing shenmue three they would have to keep the save transfer in tact because without the save transfer shenmue isnt the same without that then it aint the same journey you were destined to have based on your decisions from the first game (or first two if your japanese or european) and they simply cant do that without packing in some magical piece of hardware that they would have to pack in either that or they would have to re-release the first two games to go along with the third

I don't really remember them saying that the story would change based on your decisions, at least not to the extent that that was promised with something like Mass Effect.  I thought it was more just your fighting skill progression and various collections that you'd carry with you from chapter to chapter.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 03, 2013, 08:37:16 pm
I don't really remember them saying that the story would change based on your decisions, at least not to the extent that that was promised with something like Mass Effect.  I thought it was more just your fighting skill progression and various collections that you'd carry with you from chapter to chapter.
This.

The story is always the same. The only thing that carries on from one game to another are the items if I remember correctly.
Shenmue II on the Xbox is perfectly playable without playing the first one, so there should be no problem with Shen3
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 03, 2013, 08:54:19 pm
I would be VERY happy if they did an official rerelease of both titles before they actually went on with shen 3.

I like collecting, so for me carrying over the items alone was a big deal for me, that's also why i didn't really like the xbox version aside from the pretty bad voice acting. Taking hang-on and space harrier games with me was always a big thing for me. The 1st game had its share of unique collectables you couldn't obtain in the 2nd like the forklifts from mark

Lol I remember in shenmue 2, i'd buy all the zippos before my bag and money got stolen by wong in my 2nd> playthrough. I'd spend every penny on whatever collectable being sold in that first part.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 03, 2013, 09:22:59 pm
^ I had no idea that carrying over the collectables was such a big deal for some people..

I agree, they should totally rerelease the first two games before.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 04, 2013, 09:02:10 pm
Oh man, you don't even know. I mean come on, as a SEGA fan, any kind of SEGA related capsule toy just had to be owned right XD? It got a bit extreme eventually. With the forklift races you'd win a forklift with each race depending on where you placed. Everyday I would let myself be placed differently to get all the numbered forklifts. I loved that The SEGA references everywhere weren't just plastered or advertised. It felt like the real thing. Shenmue is such a great game sigh.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 08, 2013, 03:10:08 am
Oh man, you don't even know. I mean come on, as a SEGA fan, any kind of SEGA related capsule toy just had to be owned right XD? It got a bit extreme eventually. With the forklift races you'd win a forklift with each race depending on where you placed. Everyday I would let myself be placed differently to get all the numbered forklifts. I loved that The SEGA references everywhere weren't just plastered or advertised. It felt like the real thing. Shenmue is such a great game sigh.

Perhaps if Sega were to release the Shenmue franchise in a different way first, then people would recognize it before they released a new game...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on June 08, 2013, 01:41:31 pm
I'm kinda disappointed this was on Sega Nerds and not here, but... http://www.seganerds.com/2013/06/03/ryo-hazuki-voice-actor-confirms-he-hasnt-worked-on-shenmue-3/

“The picture of me back in studio is a recent picture, in fact very recent, but with non-disclosure agreements, I cannot reveal what project I’m working on,” he said. “I can say, however, I’m not working on Shenmue 3. I’m saying right now, it’s not 3, so please don’t freak out too much.”
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 08, 2013, 02:22:18 pm
I'm kinda disappointed this was on Sega Nerds and not here, but... http://www.seganerds.com/2013/06/03/ryo-hazuki-voice-actor-confirms-he-hasnt-worked-on-shenmue-3/

“The picture of me back in studio is a recent picture, in fact very recent, but with non-disclosure agreements, I cannot reveal what project I’m working on,” he said. “I can say, however, I’m not working on Shenmue 3. I’m saying right now, it’s not 3, so please don’t freak out too much.”

I'll be honest, I didn't see it as newsworthy and I didn't post it. Other writers were free to post it, but I'll assume they didn't find it newsworthy either. When the photo first went up, nothing really pointed to it being SEGA related. He did post a SEGA related photo, but it was unconnected to the recording pic. So at best, the news would be "Ryo VA, who has a career outside of SEGA, posted a new photo of him in a studio". Wasn't much of a story, and I'm not a fan of stirring up the Shenmue 3 rumor pot.

Then he revealed it was not Shenmue 3. So the news is now "the Ryo VA, who posted a photo of himself in a studio, is not working on Shenmue 3." So basically non-news. At most, the interview is the noteworthy bit, and thats their original content, not ours.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: nuckles87 on June 08, 2013, 02:28:51 pm
We didn't post the initial rumor, didn't see the point.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 08, 2013, 05:04:07 pm
He says he's not working on "3"specifically. How big are the chances that they're actually putting a lot of care into the rereleases with some newly recorded VA? I mean when I think about it, for us it's all nostalgia, but i can imagine a lot of new people being thrown off by the VA perhaps?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 08, 2013, 05:45:19 pm
Shenmue 3 could be worked on as a franchise first, like I stated before. Video games have gone beyond just video games before. He could make films, novels, and many other things. If he would have stated that it was not Shenmue related, then that would be different. He did not say that. He clearly stated he was working on a project that was not a "3."
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on June 08, 2013, 07:55:46 pm
I'll be honest, I didn't see it as newsworthy and I didn't post it. Other writers were free to post it, but I'll assume they didn't find it newsworthy either. When the photo first went up, nothing really pointed to it being SEGA related. He did post a SEGA related photo, but it was unconnected to the recording pic. So at best, the news would be "Ryo VA, who has a career outside of SEGA, posted a new photo of him in a studio". Wasn't much of a story, and I'm not a fan of stirring up the Shenmue 3 rumor pot.

Then he revealed it was not Shenmue 3. So the news is now "the Ryo VA, who posted a photo of himself in a studio, is not working on Shenmue 3." So basically non-news. At most, the interview is the noteworthy bit, and thats their original content, not ours.

Sorry, sorry, wasn't nearly as disappointed as I may have inferred :P I understand. Mostly wanted to share that tidbit with anyone else who found this rumor intriguing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 10, 2013, 05:33:14 am
Sorry, sorry, wasn't nearly as disappointed as I may have inferred :P I understand. Mostly wanted to share that tidbit with anyone else who found this rumor intriguing.

I'm not entirely sure why Barry the Nomad posted what he did. I just know that it might be because he did not like the idea. I could be wrong though. The link you have is somewhat reliable, so I think I could probably trust that Yu Suzuki did in fact say what it says he said. If he is not working on Shenmue 3, then I'm not sure why you would post about it in a thread full of people hoping he would. I guess he could still be thinking of making something Shenmue related though...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 10, 2013, 05:37:03 am
I'm not entirely sure why Barry the Nomad posted what he did. I just know that it might be because he did not like the idea. I could be wrong though. The link you have is somewhat reliable, so I think I could probably trust that Yu Suzuki did in fact say what it says he said. If he is not working on Shenmue 3, then I'm not sure why you would post about it in a thread full of people hoping he would. I guess he could still be thinking of making something Shenmue related though...

I was explaining to Mengels why I didn't post the Ryo voice actor story.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Ben on June 10, 2013, 09:32:59 pm
Quote
'm kinda disappointed this was on Sega Nerds and not here, but... http://www.seganerds.com/2013/06/03/ryo-hazuki-voice-actor-confirms-he-hasnt-worked-on-shenmue-3/

Our site's content and SegaNerds' is certainly not identical, this is true.....our sites have nothing to do with each other and we have our own writing team, as do they, and the writers of both sites post stories that they/we feel are worth posting.

I personally didn't post the story because I'm not a huge fan of posting rumors. They tend to get people excited and then disappointed. If Shenmue III is announced then you can be sure it will be posted about on SEGAbits.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 11, 2013, 06:13:34 am
I was explaining to Mengels why I didn't post the Ryo voice actor story.

Oh. Ok. I didn't read it all. Sorry.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on June 12, 2013, 08:54:05 pm
Our site's content and SegaNerds' is certainly not identical, this is true.....our sites have nothing to do with each other and we have our own writing team, as do they, and the writers of both sites post stories that they/we feel are worth posting.

I personally didn't post the story because I'm not a huge fan of posting rumors. They tend to get people excited and then disappointed. If Shenmue III is announced then you can be sure it will be posted about on SEGAbits.

No, I understand Ben. That's fine. I just thought it was an above-average rumor, but it's true you guys don't delve too much into rumors on the front page. No worries. :)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Ben on June 12, 2013, 10:54:16 pm
Hahaha I mean I agree with you, I thought it was a very interesting image.....but I also thought it could mean just about anything, and thought it was too vague to post.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 13, 2013, 12:23:24 am
So not even a mention of Shenners in HD. Is it safe to say that Ryo is never going to get out of that fucking cave?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on June 13, 2013, 05:47:30 pm
Oh. Ok. I didn't read it all. Sorry.

I actually thought you were quite intelligent, up until that.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 14, 2013, 11:33:46 am
Has their ever been a time when SHENMUE not been mentioned in the news? If they ever release a new game it had better be good. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 14, 2013, 10:27:14 pm
I'm devastated that Sega did not even mention the Shenmue franchise at E3. Maybe the creator is still attempting to think more about it. Perhaps Sega will surprise us all in the future.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2013, 12:15:27 am
You know why they didn't mention Shenmue at E3? Because there is nothing to talk about.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Ben on June 15, 2013, 12:59:59 pm
lol.

Yeah unfortunately. I really wasn't expecting to see anything at E3 to be perfectly honest.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 16, 2013, 06:54:20 am
Yet people always find something to talk about when it concerns SHENMUE. For a series that only had two games there's been lots of SHENMUE related info reported in the games media since 2001.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on June 16, 2013, 10:58:07 am
Don't you think they would have made a third one by now, if they wanted to? It has been twelve years since the last game. People have been protesting that they should make the game ever since the last game was released. Sega is annoyed by people that protest games. Otherwise they would have made Sonic Adventure 3, a new Sega console, Skies of Arcadia 2, and many other gaming experiences that would not sell enough to maintain the company.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2013, 09:19:23 pm
Sega has more important things to do with their time, like porting Jack Lumber to PC and not translating Yakuza 5.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Deefy on June 16, 2013, 10:40:03 pm
No MadeMan, SEGA has so important things to do with his time and money that, in addition to not translating Yakuza 5, does not publish even the porting of Jack Lumber to PC  :))  , thing of which are interested the developers themselves  ;)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2013, 07:50:05 am
Sega has more important things to do with their time, like porting Jack Lumber to PC and not translating Yakuza 5.

If you're going to bitch about SEGA, get your facts straight. lol

I'm assuming some of your comments are tongue in cheek, but you have gotta drop the Jack Lumber stuff. For starters, it's actually a really fun title, and SEGA did little else but market it for the devs. From the sound of it, the SEGA Alliance concept was more of a service for small devs than SEGA themselves taking a loss. Since the title didn't do as well as Owlchemy Labs had hoped it would (which I put more on Owlchemy Labs than SEGA due in large part to the title being way too late in the game to compete with Fruit Ninja, which in itself was old news a year before Jack Lumber's release), the SEGA Alliance concept seems to have been dropped.

Since then, anything Jack Lumber related has been handled by Owlchemy Labs. Not SEGA.

I never thought I'd see you dipping into the "why are they releasing an iOS title rather than making Shenmue 3!?" argument, when I'd think you know full well that SEGA of America is handling the digital side of things and has nothing to do with the potential development of a Shenmue 3. Then there is the obvious difference in costs. Shenmue 3 is not equal to the release of a mobile title. But I'm sure you know that.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 17, 2013, 08:17:51 am
Sega has more important things to do with their time, like porting Jack Lumber to PC and not translating Yakuza 5.

You mean making money? Shenmue 3, outside of just releasing the script, is a dumb idea. It's expensive and would get trashed in the media, and could never, ever live up to our expectations. The game would have to be flawless, and while I have no doubt that AM-2 is still the best development house in Sega, it's worth remembering that the originals weren't exactly perfect, either. It'd be a waste of money and a lot of bad press.

People complain about this years E3, but I'm going to go on a limb and say every game they showed will make a lot of money, and all of them will be critically well received. My only gripes are no Project Diva, no PSO 3.

No Yakuza 5 sucks, but they have translated that last four (and Dead Souls), so we'll see.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 17, 2013, 08:23:13 am
I have never heard of Jack Lumber. I have no idea if it is a good game or not. Go easy on Mademan. He has an opinion like the rest of you. Sega may just have the game so deep in development that they could not announce it at E3 this year. That is my opinion.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2013, 08:47:15 am
I have never heard of Jack Lumber. I have no idea if it is a good game or not. Go easy on Mademan. He has an opinion like the rest of you. Sega may just have the game so deep in development that they could not announce it at E3 this year. That is my opinion.

Mademan can take it.

Anyway, doubt the game is "deep in development". At most, the first two might be close to ready for an HD release, but very doubtful that anybody is working on Shenmue 3 at the moment.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 17, 2013, 08:55:59 am
Mademan can take it.

Anyway, doubt the game is "deep in development". At most, the first two might be close to ready for an HD release, but very doubtful that anybody is working on Shenmue 3 at the moment.

At the very most. I wouldn't hold your breath on the HD release
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 17, 2013, 01:21:20 pm
Mademan can take it.

Anyway, doubt the game is "deep in development". At most, the first two might be close to ready for an HD release, but very doubtful that anybody is working on Shenmue 3 at the moment.

Perhaps Sega could release Shenmue III along with the first two games in hd on the same disc. Kind of like they did for Tekken 1-3 on the Tekken 5 disc. At least people who have never heard of the first two would know what it's about. I'm probably just a little too over-exited about it though.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2013, 06:19:53 pm
Oh wow, Jack Lumber defence force in full swing! Do you guys have an axe to grind or something? I find it mysterios that you're all fans of this game now! Umm... okay that's all i got for puns at the moment.

Don't take what I say too literally, guys, it's a joke, I don't even follow Sega much anymore because the last time they did anything I was interested in was Final Showdown.

I wouldn't honestly be arguing that they could have funded Shenners three with Jack Lumber money. I could probably fund a Jack Lumber sequel with the change behind my sofa whereas the bank would slap me with a fish if I asked for a loan to pay for Shenmue III's voice acting.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on June 17, 2013, 07:18:01 pm
Perhaps Sega could release Shenmue III along with the first two games in hd on the same disc. Kind of like they did for Tekken 1-3 on the Tekken 5 disc. At least people who have never heard of the first two would know what it's about. I'm probably just a little too over-exited about it though.

1. Your idea is bad because of what I mentioned before. Plus they do not have enough money.
2. You are actually right for once. You are "over-exited."
Correction: "excited"
3. Would everyone stop talking about Jack Lumber? That's a completely different game, so it has no relevance.

*Handled.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 17, 2013, 07:50:57 pm
1. Your idea is bad because of what I mentioned before...
2. ...You are "over-exited."
Correction: "excited"

Ouch.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on June 18, 2013, 03:23:56 pm
This "Shenmue III" should now officially be the least of people's concerns. I'm glad I ended that.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 18, 2013, 07:30:53 pm
Ended what?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on June 18, 2013, 08:52:15 pm
Ended what?

How people keep posting that they want a Shenmue III in this thread. It would be the worst game of all time if they released a Shenmue III right now.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 18, 2013, 08:53:45 pm
How people keep posting that they want a Shenmue III in this thread. It would be the worst game of all time if they released a Shenmue III right now.

You didn't end the rumor whatsoever. Even if people stop posting in this thread, there will always be Shenmue fans who want a new game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 18, 2013, 09:00:29 pm
I think no matter how it comes out, it will be received badly.

Too many things they will have to change to make new audiences be into it. One being updating the controls/voices. Shenmue wasn't perfect, it was a great experience at the time but now there are a ton of more varied open world games.

Though none of those do it like Shenmue. The other is where the story was heading. Rumors have it that magic was going to come into play, more evidence comes with Shenmue Online.

So now they planned on totally changing the world, which isn't bad if the 3rd game came out right after 2. But now that people have waited for over a decade for the third game, it will get a ton of complaints, like "THIS IS DBZ SHENMUE WTF SEGA" etc.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 18, 2013, 09:18:14 pm
'Sif magic wasn't a part of Shenmue 2 all along though. That old dude touching the tree and causing all the leaves to fall off is magic.

In any event, I could picture the mass suicide of Shenmue fans when they announce it with
"We're aiming for a broader audience with an open world, cinematic and visceral experience exclusive to Xbox One. The game will be free to play, but players can utilise micro-transactions something, something Kinect."
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 19, 2013, 11:23:24 pm
'Sif magic wasn't a part of Shenmue 2 all along though. That old dude touching the tree and causing all the leaves to fall off is magic.

In any event, I could picture the mass suicide of Shenmue fans when they announce it with
"We're aiming for a broader audience with an open world, cinematic and visceral experience exclusive to Xbox One. The game will be free to play, but players can utilise micro-transactions something, something Kinect."

Earlier in this thread, someone discussed a PC game, then a similar game to be made for the main consoles. That is not really a bad idea. It's just that the story would have to be very similar to the PC version.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on June 20, 2013, 05:29:15 pm
Earlier in this thread, someone discussed a PC game, then a similar game to be made for the main consoles. That is not really a bad idea. It's just that the story would have to be very similar to the PC version.

That's probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. PC games are awesome, so I don't think Sega should ruin them with one bad game that starts a chain of bad games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 20, 2013, 11:33:07 pm
That's probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. PC games are awesome, so I don't think Sega should ruin them with one bad game that starts a chain of bad games.

At first, you said that people were being very rude to me. Now you are doing it. I'm sorry if you don't like the Shenmue series, it's just that I do. We have different opinions just like everyone else on this website. I said it in a previous thread about Toshiba. I will say it again in this one. "Each time you post, you bump the thread to the top of the page."
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 21, 2013, 12:19:28 am
That's probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. PC games are awesome, so I don't think Sega should ruin them with one bad game that starts a chain of bad games.

Bit rude and extraordinarily ill informed comment, buster.

Work on your snark, too.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 21, 2013, 11:08:15 am
I for one wouldn't mind Shen3 going all DBZ.

A Shenmue III stopped making sense after the 128bit generation. The technology used for the games make up a lot of the "game feel". A Shen3 released today would be so technologically far away from the other two entries that it would feel like a different game series altogether.

So just make it really different. But also make it very good.
We would get a conclusion for the series (it could be full of magic and dragon balls; as long as it made sense, I doubt fans would be pissed), and a good game on it's own (a game unaffected by the outdatedness of it's predecessors).
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 21, 2013, 11:38:41 pm
I for one wouldn't mind Shen3 going all DBZ.

A Shenmue III stopped making sense after the 128bit generation. The technology used for the games make up a lot of the "game feel". A Shen3 released today would be so technologically far away from the other two entries that it would feel like a different game series altogether.

So just make it really different. But also make it very good.
We would get a conclusion for the series (it could be full of magic and dragon balls; as long as it made sense, I doubt fans would be pissed), and a good game on it's own (a game unaffected by the outdatedness of it's predecessors).

I realise you have an unusual obsession of DBZ. I can tell by your avatar and your post. You can watch that show all you like. It actually benefitted Japanese influence to different cultures across the world. A lot of people are now into other Japanese animation because of that show. It's just that DBZ has nothing to do with Shenmue whatsoever. It's not like Shenmue I and II had anything to do with using superpowers. It might only be my opinion though. I guess I just like more realistic games better.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 22, 2013, 06:34:42 am
Shenmue II was headed towards magic in the end. In fact, the whole story is based around two mirrors with magical properties when combined.

I'm not obsessed with DBZ lol
What I meant was that imo it wouldn't be bad at all if they went in a different direction for the 3rd game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on June 24, 2013, 01:09:20 pm
Please Sega, don't make another Shenmue game or your company will be gone forever. I wouldn't be able to play any new games by Sega at that point.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 25, 2013, 05:04:36 am
Please Sega, don't make another Shenmue game or your company will be gone forever. I wouldn't be able to play any new games by Sega at that point.
Are you implying that regardless of what Shen3 Sega puts out, it'll be shit? That makes zero sense.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 25, 2013, 05:50:16 am
look the story since SHENMUE's III cancellation is that Sega has tried to partner with one of the main manufacturers to tie this game exclusively. Which means that Sega just does the development but not the marketing. I've heard this notion several times during the years. Any attempt to revive the series in a new direction has bombed be it  SHENMUE ONLINE that fell into legal problems or the Sunsoft SHENMUE CITY game which failed as an mobage game.

Now recent events have presented another chance for the series. kickstarter is one of them or the licensing out the IP to a manufacturer like what happened with BAYONETTA 2. Rumors indicate that the latter may be possible. Even then the problem is that Sega owns the codes and the engine i'm not sure if they were willing to part with them just for someone else to do it as well as the fact that whoever licenses it are willing to pay Sega the privilege to use the engine and the codes IE extra money on top of using the IP and knowing today's world a percentage on top of the usual one. But time will tell on that one.     
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 25, 2013, 03:25:04 pm
Please Sega, don't make another Shenmue game or your company will be gone forever. I wouldn't be able to play any new games by Sega at that point.

I think you may need to reevaluate Shenmue III. Have you even played any of the first two games? How do you know it's going to be bad? There were a lot of Sonic games Sega made that were terrible. That didn't stop Sega. Shenmue III would be a much better game regardless of what they do to it. They could not screw it up. It would be impossible because everyone wants a real ending instead of a cliffhanger.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 26, 2013, 04:07:14 am
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Even then the problem is that Sega owns the codes and the engine i'm not sure if they were willing to part with them just for someone else to do it as well as the fact that whoever licenses it are willing to pay Sega the privilege to use the engine and the codes IE extra money on top of using the IP and knowing today's world a percentage on top of the usual one. But time will tell on that one

What engine ? The Shenmue engine is old hat now and getting that to run on current consoles is not as easy as one thinks  and no matter what people really say ; most gamers will no pay money for a Shenmue III game running on an engine that some 14 years old  now . The Big trouble for Shenmue is its a series that never made money and where the sequel sold far less than the original, that's the major trouble for the game sadly and why SEGA never mind any other Studio wants to go near it

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Shenmue III would be a much better game regardless of what they do to it. They could not screw it up. It would be impossible because everyone wants a real ending instead of a cliffhanger.

One can't say that really; Sure the script is done but then you have to have game design to make any Shenmue III interesting to play and the trouble is if SEGA did make a watered down Shenmue III - then people will bash SEGA to the high heavens . Shenmue III and IV (given there's some 10 chapters left to be told ) needs to be lavish productions and that team means a Huge Team and a huge budget to give gamers the Shenmue sequel they should get.


SEGA either should go all out for a sequel or not bother at all imo. I'm pretty sure AM#2 and the Yakzua Team working as one on Shenmue III could make a worthy sequel , but the question is does SEGA and the Teams want to spend all that time and effort on a game that's so far failed , rather than give a some new game a chance - Which is what happens with-in teams when they want their new  concepts  given the green light, rather than sold old IP that didn't sell  well
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 27, 2013, 04:08:58 am
What engine ? The Shenmue engine is old hat now and getting that to run on current consoles is not as easy as one thinks  and no matter what people really say ; most gamers will no pay money for a Shenmue III game running on an engine that some 14 years old  now . The Big trouble for Shenmue is its a series that never made money and where the sequel sold far less than the original, that's the major trouble for the game sadly and why SEGA never mind any other Studio wants to go near it

One can't say that really; Sure the script is done but then you have to have game design to make any Shenmue III interesting to play and the trouble is if SEGA did make a watered down Shenmue III - then people will bash SEGA to the high heavens . Shenmue III and IV (given there's some 10 chapters left to be told ) needs to be lavish productions and that team means a Huge Team and a huge budget to give gamers the Shenmue sequel they should get.



Dont be frigging stupid, dont you think Yu Suzuki and Sega knows that? You dont think they wouldn't even overhaul it?  Like they tweaked it when they tried to do SHENMUE ONLINE? You really are desperate aren't you?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 27, 2013, 08:28:22 am
Shenmue III and IV (given there's some 10 chapters left to be told ) needs to be lavish productions and that team means a Huge Team and a huge budget to give gamers the Shenmue sequel they should get.

Suzuki stated a while back that he believes he could wrap up the entire story in a third release.  Whether this means omitting certain chapters (like Ryo's ride on the ship between I and II), or just because game discs can contain much more content now, he hasn't specified.

I think it's obvious that one of the factors holding things up is that Suzuki does not want to cheap out and do a lesser game for the final one.  He's holding out until everything, including an adequate budget, is in place.  That said, I think the final game can be done more efficiently and less expensively than the first two, because a lot of the expense of the originals came down to trial and error, and the challenges of an arcade team adapting and learning to design a massive RPG.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 27, 2013, 09:31:35 am
Dont be frigging stupid, dont you think Yu Suzuki and Sega knows that? You dont think they wouldn't even overhaul it?  Like they tweaked it when they tried to do SHENMUE ONLINE? You really are desperate aren't you?

I don't have a clue what you are on about . Shenmue Online wasn't even using the Shenmue engine and when SEGA allowed 3rd parties to use the Shenmue engine  - not one took it up and that was on the DC . The engine is now years old and of no use to any developer , so any new Shenmue would either have to use the likes of Unreal 3/4 , Yakuza 5 engine or use a custom built one  not that the game major issue .

To model build and design the world on the scale of Shenmue this or next gen would take a Huge team and tons of money .

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Suzuki stated a while back that he believes he could wrap up the entire story in a third release.  Whether this means omitting certain chapters (like Ryo's ride on the ship between I and II), or just because game discs can contain much more content now, he hasn't specified

Sure if they want to cut it back they could just about fit it all on to 1 BluRay disc I bet . But given given it took 2 games ,7 GD discs and god knows how many years of development  just to tell 5 chapters I wouldn't hold my breather more so in the age of High Def



Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 27, 2013, 09:57:33 am
I don't have a clue what you are on about . Shenmue Online wasn't even using the Shenmue engine and when SEGA allowed 3rd parties to use the Shenmue engine  - not one took it up and that was on the DC . The engine is now years old and of no use to any developer , so any new Shenmue would either have to use the likes of Unreal 3/4 , Yakuza 5 engine or use a custom built one  not that the game major issue .






No because you usually dont have a clue on what you go on about you can't keep up with your own questions. SHENMUE ONLINE used many assets from the previous games and used the engine. Suzuki stated that countless times considering he was overseeing the project and the game was partly funded by Sega. So using what happened with the DC doesn't prove a thing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 27, 2013, 10:14:26 am
No because you usually dont have a clue on what you go on about you can't keep up with your own questions. SHENMUE ONLINE used many assets from the previous games and used the engine. Suzuki stated that countless times considering he was overseeing the project and the game was partly funded by Sega. So using what happened with the DC doesn't prove a thing.

Well I see to remember JC saying Shenmue Online was to use a new engine that's all. The point is little of Shenmue 3 was ever developed and the DC engine is years old and of little or no use to anyone thinking of making a new Shenmue 3. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 27, 2013, 11:03:44 am
No they said the game too a lot of assets from SHENMUE.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 27, 2013, 12:51:17 pm
Can't Sega just use the Yakuza engine?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 27, 2013, 01:08:03 pm
At this point they'd have to use whatever the PS4 Yakuza is using. Or why not use whatever VF6 is using?

Was the Shenmue engine original? Or was it an older modified engine?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 27, 2013, 01:41:27 pm
The engine for Shenmue Online was never announced because the game was cancelled too fast to know exactly what engine was going to be used. Sega makes most of their other PC games with warscape. Sure, they use others as well. It's just that warscape is one of the most common. I do not see why the engine would really matter to the gamers as much as it does the actual company. Gamers just want it to have great graphics and a superb storyline.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on June 27, 2013, 01:52:35 pm
Shenmue Online development started in February 2003, and the first official news of "cancellation" was Yu Suzuki saying this on September 17th, 2008: "Due to a situation, the project is in a “pending” state. But personally, I’m hoping to be reunited with Shenmue Online. I haven’t given up.”

The last we had seen from the game was from China Joy 2006, I believe. Three years isn't really that quickly.

And speaking of magic, Shenmue's reveal to the public involved magic. Remember the Project Berkley video packed with VF3TB? Giant mirrors moving and settling, Shenhua discarding two guys hanging onto her with a magic explosion, the glowing blue/green statue in the temple? People whine about Shenmue Online ruining the franchise with the magic stuff, but everyone should've known.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 27, 2013, 02:19:26 pm
Shenmue Online development started in February 2003, and the first official news of "cancellation" was Yu Suzuki saying this on September 17th, 2008: "Due to a situation, the project is in a “pending” state. But personally, I’m hoping to be reunited with Shenmue Online. I haven’t given up.”

The last we had seen from the game was from China Joy 2006, I believe. Three years isn't really that quickly.

No. It actually started in 2004.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenmue_Online

No news about it has been seen since 2006. Very little news was reported since 2005. Sega just has not denied if it is a confirmed cancelation yet.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on June 27, 2013, 02:25:34 pm
Since when do you trust Wikipedia? Very bottom of the page, the last entry.

http://shenmuedojo.net/new/games/s0preview.html
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 27, 2013, 04:56:40 pm
If you do not trust wikipedia, then how about these websites?

http://www.destructoid.com/shenmue-online-canceled-who-will-move-all-of-these-online-crates-now--37565.phtml

http://www.1up.com/news/shenmue-online-officially-announced

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/08/rumor-shenmue-g/

Shenmue online is most likely cancelled. If they were going to make it a PC game before they make it on consoles, then that would be fine. If they restrict it to PC only, then I don't know because I'm not much of a PC gamer myself.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on June 27, 2013, 07:39:01 pm
It was never a question of cancellation, but when it started development. It's obviously been shelved.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 27, 2013, 10:58:27 pm
I know what you mean. I was just saying that it did not last as long as most cancelled games. A sequel to Shenmue is not cancelled whatsoever. It is pending, meaning that they have not made a decision about it yet. If the original creator is involved, then I do not see why they should cancel it again. If Sega has the money to make many other great games, then why not make Shenmue III?

It's the game every Sega fan has been waiting for!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on July 01, 2013, 08:34:27 pm
Agreed. It couldn't cost that much more than modern games do nowadays.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on July 01, 2013, 09:42:36 pm
Let's say Red Dead Redemption, that was 100 million.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on July 02, 2013, 02:59:13 pm
It's bound to do better than they expect. I mean, Shenmue I sold 1.2 million, Shenmue II on DC was the most imported game of all time (might still be), and they're bound to get some curiosity purchases because of all of the buzz about the game and the mysterious third installment. It'd likely cost less than modern games like RDR, as George mentioned, and they'd forever be known as a company who cares a great deal about fan service. SEGA would never not be known in the gaming community as the company who put out Shenmue III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 02, 2013, 04:37:25 pm
It's bound to do better than they expect. I mean, Shenmue I sold 1.2 million, Shenmue II on DC was the most imported game of all time (might still be), and they're bound to get some curiosity purchases because of all of the buzz about the game and the mysterious third installment. It'd likely cost less than modern games like RDR, as George mentioned, and they'd forever be known as a company who cares a great deal about fan service. SEGA would never not be known in the gaming community as the company who put out Shenmue III.

Yeah. I think it would do very well if they actually made either a story that you could go along with, even without playing the first two games. Either that or a prequel. That way the people who are new to Shenmue would not have to buy a dreamcast just to see the stuff that happened in the first two games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on July 02, 2013, 09:17:38 pm
I think an HD remake of the first two, released together as a hard copy, would be the best move in my opinion. If they treat it right, with a full marketing campaign intended to help continue the series, I think it'd do really well.

What am I thinking...SEGA can't market anything anymore.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TJKitsune on July 02, 2013, 09:33:39 pm
Not exactly much to add to the topic, but thought it might be worth mentioning, since it is sorta related to Shenmue, but I just got word that Lisle Wilkerson, the voice of Joy in Shenmue II (As well as Sarah in Virtua Fighter and Gena in Crazy Taxi) will be making a personal appearance in Rockford, IL on Dec. 27th-29th at the Anime Apocalypse Convention...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on July 03, 2013, 08:14:01 am
Not exactly much to add to the topic, but thought it might be worth mentioning, since it is sorta related to Shenmue, but I just got word that Lisle Wilkerson, the voice of Joy in Shenmue II (As well as Sarah in Virtua Fighter and Gena in Crazy Taxi) will be making a personal appearance in Rockford, IL on Dec. 27th-29th at the Anime Apocalypse Convention...

Yeah!! You'll never meet any woman the likes of her.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2013, 01:12:48 pm
Brilliant.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 04, 2013, 07:13:59 pm
Not exactly much to add to the topic, but thought it might be worth mentioning, since it is sorta related to Shenmue, but I just got word that Lisle Wilkerson, the voice of Joy in Shenmue II (As well as Sarah in Virtua Fighter and Gena in Crazy Taxi) will be making a personal appearance in Rockford, IL on Dec. 27th-29th at the Anime Apocalypse Convention...

That was definitely worth mentioning. I would also like to know when/where the creator of Shenmue might be. Like, if he was in public. That way someone could ask him about a third game. A trilogy is always better than only two games. It would make the series more memorable.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on July 04, 2013, 08:16:30 pm
I'm pretty sure every time he's in public, someone asks him about Shenmue III. In that recent video in which he joined the interview with David Cage, the first thing he said was that he was getting a little tired of being asked about Shenmue III. He knows we want it -- he wants to do it -- but he's got to work out the business details.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 04, 2013, 10:58:38 pm
I'm pretty sure every time he's in public, someone asks him about Shenmue III. In that recent video in which he joined the interview with David Cage, the first thing he said was that he was getting a little tired of being asked about Shenmue III. He knows we want it -- he wants to do it -- but he's got to work out the business details.

I sure hope people can convince him. A lot of people want Shenmue III very badly.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on July 08, 2013, 02:14:31 am
I sure hope people can convince him. A lot of people want Shenmue III very badly.

Hardly anyone wants a Shenmue III. Hardly anyone even knows what it is. What makes you think "he" would want a Shenmue III. I'm telling you that if he wanted it, then he would have created it. It's just that simple. The game has not been made yet. The last game in the series was made over ten years ago.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: mylifewithsega on July 08, 2013, 04:00:15 pm
That was definitely worth mentioning. I would also like to know when/where the creator of Shenmue might be. Like, if he was in public. That way someone could ask him about a third game. A trilogy is always better than only two games. It would make the series more memorable.

I'm pretty sure someone asks Yu Suzuki about Shenmue III whenever he makes a public appearance. It's unavoidable, as Centrale already stated.

As for a trilogy being more memorable than a duo, that's kind of debatable. People still hound Yu Suzuki with questions of Shenmue III and whether or not it's going to happen. Those two games must be pretty memorable. Besides, sometimes - not always, but sometimes - a third chapter never turns out as well as the last. Twisted Metal 3 (terrible), The Godfather Part III (weak sauce), Return of the Jedi (Death Star Part Deux), Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines ("Talk to the hand....") The Dark Knight Rises (Robin?!) and Superman III....

Sometimes you should just stop at 2. *shivers*
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 08, 2013, 11:49:51 pm
I'm pretty sure someone asks Yu Suzuki about Shenmue III whenever he makes a public appearance. It's unavoidable, as Centrale already stated.

As for a trilogy being more memorable than a duo, that's kind of debatable. People still hound Yu Suzuki with questions of Shenmue III and whether or not it's going to happen. Those two games must be pretty memorable. Besides, sometimes - not always, but sometimes - a third chapter never turns out as well as the last. Twisted Metal 3 (terrible), The Godfather Part III (weak sauce), Return of the Jedi (Death Star Part Deux), Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines ("Talk to the hand....") The Dark Knight Rises (Robin?!) and Superman III....

Sometimes you should just stop at 2. *shivers*


It all depends on your opinion, really. I actually liked two of the ones that you mentioned. If you look at some of the best trilogies, then you would think trilogies were good. If you look at the worst, then they look bad. Shenmue III could be a very good game as long as Sega thoroughly thinks it through. It is very possible that someone could convince Yu that he should finally give in and create a Shenmue III. He is probably fed up with the people who want it so much that he might just make the game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: mylifewithsega on July 09, 2013, 02:00:12 am
It's a matter of opinion, sure. That doesn't make it invalid though. Especially since I took many opinions into account when writing that statement and I didn't say all trilogies are bad. I said "sometimes you should stop at 2." Believe it or not, I enjoy Return of the Jedi. However, I wouldn't say it was the high-water mark of the franchise....most fans wouldn't.

Movies may be an unfair comparison, so I'll stick to games. To be fair, I do enjoy a good 3. I think Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception is better than the last. Critically and financially speaking, it faired better than its predecessor. I'd go so far as to call that a certified hit, while I'm sure not everyone enjoys it. Still, its success is undeniable. Grand Theft Auto III is stellar in many respects. I can't say the same about Twisted Metal III, or Silent Hill 3, or Resident Evil 3, or Tomb Raider 3. The last few may have recieved some praise here and there, but they're not held in the same high regard as their previous entries, nor did they sell as well. Not really. I'm not saying they're terrible; just not as good.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 09, 2013, 03:22:41 am
It's a matter of opinion, sure. That doesn't make it invalid though. Especially since I took many opinions into account when writing that statement and I didn't say all trilogies are bad. I said "sometimes you should stop at 2." Believe it or not, I enjoy Return of the Jedi. However, I wouldn't say it was the high-water mark of the franchise....most fans wouldn't.

Movies may be an unfair comparison, so I'll stick to games. To be fair, I do enjoy a good 3. I think Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception is better than the last. Critically and financially speaking, it faired better than its predecessor. I'd go so far as to call that a certified hit, while I'm sure not everyone enjoys it. Still, its success is undeniable. Grand Theft Auto III is stellar in many respects. I can't say the same about Twisted Metal III, or Silent Hill 3, or Resident Evil 3, or Tomb Raider 3. The last few may have recieved some praise here and there, but they're not held in the same high regard as their previous entries, nor did they sell as well. Not really. I'm not saying they're terrible; just not as good.

I agree with most of what you are saying. It would be difficult to make a bad Shenmue III because it is such a great series; however we could have said that about certain Sonic games that had very low success like the one in 2006. It would be impossible to know if the game quality would be good until someone tried it. Sega has recently been developing better games, so they would probably make a very nice Shenmue III game, if they released it any time this year or next year. Of course that is also just an opinion.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 09, 2013, 04:42:43 am
These links are important to look over, if there are any of you that do not think Shenmue III is a possibility.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/03/03/french-reporter-says-yu-suzuki-hasn-39-t-ruled-out-shenmue-3-kickstarter.aspx.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/21/david-cage-and-yu-suzuki-discuss-shenmue-and-story-telling/

http://www.screwattack.com/news/reporter-claims-there’s-possibility-shenmue-3-kickstarter?page=1
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on July 09, 2013, 05:49:56 am
These links are important to look over, if there are any of you that do not think Shenmue III is a possibility.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/03/03/french-reporter-says-yu-suzuki-hasn-39-t-ruled-out-shenmue-3-kickstarter.aspx.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/21/david-cage-and-yu-suzuki-discuss-shenmue-and-story-telling/

http://www.screwattack.com/news/reporter-claims-there’s-possibility-shenmue-3-kickstarter?page=1

You posted about Toshiba buying Sega a long time ago. That obviously turned out to be false. I could post a bunch of random forum posts about something too. It just means that a lot of people are talking about it, which does not make anything true.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 09, 2013, 06:59:16 am
You posted about Toshiba buying Sega a long time ago. That obviously turned out to be false. I could post a bunch of random forum posts about something too. It just means that a lot of people are talking about it, which does not make anything true.

No. I did not say that I thought Toshiba would buy Sega. I simply said that Toshiba could buy part of Sega to make Sega sponsored laptops. That was a different topic entirely. I realize that Shenmue III has not officially been announced yet. It's just that a lot of people are talking about it. Shenmue II was the only game that could beat Shenmue. Shenmue III will be the only game to beat Shenmue II. Once again, that's only my opinion. At the same time it's only your opinion that Shenmue III will not be made. The websites that I just listed were not forum posts. They were news of Yu Suzuki, the creator of the franchise, talking about the future of Shenmue games with a French journalist.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on July 10, 2013, 05:52:38 am
No. I did not say that I thought Toshiba would buy Sega. I simply said that Toshiba could buy part of Sega to make Sega sponsored laptops. That was a different topic entirely. I realize that Shenmue III has not officially been announced yet. It's just that a lot of people are talking about it. Shenmue II was the only game that could beat Shenmue. Shenmue III will be the only game to beat Shenmue II. Once again, that's only my opinion. At the same time it's only your opinion that Shenmue III will not be made. The websites that I just listed were not forum posts. They were news of Yu Suzuki, the creator of the franchise, talking about the future of Shenmue games with a French journalist.

Yu Suzuki said he would not make another Shenmue III in those very threads. I have nothing more to say to you about this topic.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on July 10, 2013, 08:58:48 am
Yu Suzuki said he would not make another Shenmue III in those very threads. I have nothing more to say to you about this topic.

Uhh... no he didn't. He's said quite the opposite. Not only has he stated that he wants to make it, he has said that he feels he must make it. Whether or not he can find a way to get the financial backing is what everyone is wondering about, but there isn't any doubt that he wants to do it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on July 11, 2013, 04:17:50 am
Uhh... no he didn't. He's said quite the opposite. Not only has he stated that he wants to make it, he has said that he feels he must make it. Whether or not he can find a way to get the financial backing is what everyone is wondering about, but there isn't any doubt that he wants to do it.

Then he will not make much money from it. He would probably just be wasting money and time. Hardly anyone remembers the first two games. They had very negative reception.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on July 11, 2013, 07:41:14 am
You're either trolling or you just don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 12, 2013, 05:22:09 am
Then he will not make much money from it. He would probably just be wasting money and time. Hardly anyone remembers the first two games. They had very negative reception.

You are wasting our time by telling us how unsuccessful the games will be. You have your right to an opinion just like everyone else. I respect your opinion, if you respect mine. I know it would be difficult for true Shenmue fans to convince the people of Sega and Yu Suzuki himself to creat the game. It's just that in the links he was speaking of a kickstart we for a third game. He was not saying that he would stop the franchise entirely.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on July 16, 2013, 12:48:57 pm
You are wasting our time by telling us how unsuccessful the games will be. You have your right to an opinion just like everyone else. I respect your opinion, if you respect mine. I know it would be difficult for true Shenmue fans to convince the people of Sega and Yu Suzuki himself to creat the game. It's just that in the links he was speaking of a kickstart we for a third game. He was not saying that he would stop the franchise entirely.

Allow me to be just a little more constructive about this. Sega would need to do the impossible. They would need to create a game as a sequel to two of the worst games ever made. They would need the following:

1. Spare time.
2. About $700,000.
3. Actually wanting to do it.
4. Yu's permission.
5. Take their mind off of the many other games they are working on.
6. Good advertising.
7. Many people that actually want to play it.
8. The right game engine.

If they could manage all of that, then they must be the best gaming company in the world. They would be able to create a Dreamcast 2, Sonic Adventure 3, Yakuza 7 - 100, Skies of Arcadia 2, and many other games/systems.

Now do you see how silly it sounds?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 18, 2013, 07:11:52 am
I appreciate the fact that you finally decided to be more constructive; however before you said you did not have anything else to say to me about this topic. You have also said some of the same things over and over. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. If you do not support a Shenmue III, then why would you want to post anything in a Shenmue III thread? Thanks for bumping the thread again for no reason.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on July 18, 2013, 07:40:01 am
They would need to create a game as a sequel to two of the worst games ever made.

Saying crap like that makes YOU the one sounding silly. "two of the worst games ever made"? Come the fuck on man. I mean, there are opinions and then there is flat out bullshit.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on July 18, 2013, 04:40:17 pm
^Dude, there's not even a jump button LOL
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Trippled on July 18, 2013, 05:04:43 pm
^Dude, there's not even a jump button LOL

and you cant steal cars

and old japan sux!!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on July 18, 2013, 05:37:11 pm
In real life, people don't jump. I can't even think of the last time a jump factored into a day-to-day activity. Shenmue is as real as you can get.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 19, 2013, 03:38:38 pm
I'm not sure what everyone is speaking of when they say "jump". Everyone might try and be rude to pcm92; however it is not a good thing to be rude to him/her or anyone else. That's just a friendly suggestion. I mean, at least he/she decided to be a bit more constructive than what was previously stated.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: mylifewithsega on July 19, 2013, 07:30:48 pm
In real life, people don't jump. I can't even think of the last time a jump factored into a day-to-day activity. Shenmue is as real as you can get.

That is bullshit! I jump all the fucking time! My God, I didn't realize how terrible the Shenmue series was until now. I mean, no fucking 'JUMP' button?! Jesus, I'm taking back everything I ever said about Yu Suzuki's brilliance and the entire Shenmue franchise. To Hell with Shenmue....

ROTFLMAO! I'm just joshin' ya'. Seriously. Shenmue's awesome!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on July 30, 2013, 01:23:06 pm
I appreciate the fact that you finally decided to be more constructive; however before you said you did not have anything else to say to me about this topic. You have also said some of the same things over and over. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. If you do not support a Shenmue III, then why would you want to post anything in a Shenmue III thread? Thanks for bumping the thread again for no reason.

You make a good point. I just don't see why this thread lasted for so long. I also don't think Sega would want to do it because of the budget situation and the poor sales it would have with a new Shenmue game. Of course, I might be wrong. I'm sorry if I ever sounded like I was being rude.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MrFranklin on July 31, 2013, 07:45:45 pm
I'm on the fence in regards to how I feel about Shenmue III right now. Back when the first one came out I was absolutely blown away by it. It felt to me to be way ahead of its time completely drawing you into the intriguing world it had set out for you, more interactive than many modern takes on the almost "interactive movie" genre of game. Be it the time based events or the simplest things I could interact with, I loved the game except maybe the having to actually go to work on time in a video game but even that was fascinating.

Then we got to Shenmue II which I had to first frustratingly experience in Japanese which really broke the pace for me. Sure the English voice acting was never mind blowing but I prefer to play big epic stories like this in English. Then later I got to play it again in English on the Xbox - I probably enjoyed the game as much as the first one. Left on a huge cliff hanger and since then it has just been stuck in limbo to the point I've more or less given up. I mean we pretty much all know how it is going to end anyway right?

These games couldn't make their money back, back in the day. In today's world could this work with modern standards, would enough people buy it? Have that many people played it? I mean the first game was Dreamcast exclusive. I would like to see a Shenmue III, I'd love to see what they can achieve with modern technology but I can see it being pure fan service at this point. I can't see it selling well.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 01, 2013, 06:26:38 pm
I'm on the fence in regards to how I feel about Shenmue III right now. Back when the first one came out I was absolutely blown away by it. It felt to me to be way ahead of its time completely drawing you into the intriguing world it had set out for you, more interactive than many modern takes on the almost "interactive movie" genre of game. Be it the time based events or the simplest things I could interact with, I loved the game except maybe the having to actually go to work on time in a video game but even that was fascinating.

Then we got to Shenmue II which I had to first frustratingly experience in Japanese which really broke the pace for me. Sure the English voice acting was never mind blowing but I prefer to play big epic stories like this in English. Then later I got to play it again in English on the Xbox - I probably enjoyed the game as much as the first one. Left on a huge cliff hanger and since then it has just been stuck in limbo to the point I've more or less given up. I mean we pretty much all know how it is going to end anyway right?

These games couldn't make their money back, back in the day. In today's world could this work with modern standards, would enough people buy it? Have that many people played it? I mean the first game was Dreamcast exclusive. I would like to see a Shenmue III, I'd love to see what they can achieve with modern technology but I can see it being pure fan service at this point. I can't see it selling well.

You're right about the game not selling well. The second game had lower sales than the first, so I don't think a third instalment would be a good idea.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on August 02, 2013, 08:34:20 am
I think the second game unfortunately got caught up in the discontinuation of the Dreamcast. It was only released for Dreamcast in Japan and Europe, while in North America its release was delayed for a year so it could be ported to the first Xbox, and the Dreamcast version was cancelled. Personally, I think if it had been released on schedule as originally planned, it would have been a million-seller like the first one. But, that's not how it worked out. At this point I think if there was a third game preceded by HD rereleases of the first two, we could expect sales of about 350 - 500,000. With a more efficient development process compared to the original, I think it could be made on a more modest budget and recoup the expenses to make it. I'd look to it primarily being a digital release, with a limited collectors' edition priced at a premium for the superfans.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on August 02, 2013, 09:36:12 pm
Recently translated video of an interview with Yu Suzuki in March 2013, by Kenji Seang. I really appreciate this guy's thoughtful interviews.

http://youtu.be/OgbkkLIT-Mo
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 05, 2013, 06:54:56 am
Heartwarming..

But what does he mean "aquire Shenmue license from Sega"? Isn't he at Sega anymore?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on August 05, 2013, 07:55:30 am
Heartwarming..

But what does he mean "aquire Shenmue license from Sega"? Isn't he at Sega anymore?

Nah. He left a while ago.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 05, 2013, 05:30:08 pm
Nah. He left a while ago.
Where he at?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 05, 2013, 10:48:17 pm
A vid from our rivals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxW20JCG8Hg
Just close your eyes and imagine Ryo talking about his everyday life.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 05, 2013, 10:59:59 pm
Where he at?

Yu Suzuki still does video game related stuff. He's just retired from Sega. I think he might want to make another Shenmue. It's just that Sega will not let him. I can't really blame Sega for that.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 06, 2013, 09:31:06 am
A vid from our rivals.

Rivals implies they stack up against us. At best they're "oh, those guys?"

lol, I kid. I kid. Cool to see Corey talking.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on August 07, 2013, 02:39:03 pm
Yu Suzuki still does video game related stuff. He's just retired from Sega. I think he might want to make another Shenmue. It's just that Sega will not let him. I can't really blame Sega for that.

I am sure he could convince Sega to publish his game. The only problem he is having is the budget situation, which will probably be solved eventually. I really would not mind what platform or console the game will be on. As long as I can finally play Shenmue III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 07, 2013, 02:40:11 pm
I am sure he could convince Sega to publish his game. The only problem he is having is the budget situation, which will probably be solved eventually. I really would not mind what platform or console the game will be on. As long as I can finally play Shenmue III.

They made a mobile game a while back. Isn't that good enough?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on August 07, 2013, 02:41:33 pm
They made a mobile game a while back. Isn't that good enough?

No. They stopped allowing people to play that game before I even realized it was released.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 07, 2013, 03:03:28 pm
They made a mobile game a while back. Isn't that good enough?

That mobile game did not advance the story at all.

I wouldn't mind a mobile game like the Walking Dead one for example. It's pretty linear, but at least the story would develop.
I don't see how they can reproduce the true Shenmue feel without spending millions of cash. And that ain't happening.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 08, 2013, 02:03:40 pm
I removed my vote because I never played any Shemue games in my life. I was just trolling. I'm sorry everyone.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on August 09, 2013, 07:34:50 pm
I removed my vote because I never played any Shemue games in my life. I was just trolling. I'm sorry everyone.

Pcm92, I have never heard ANYONE call themselves a troll. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, bored out of your mind, or if there is something mentally wrong with you. Thank you for removing your vote. I think.

Back to Shenmue III, most people that are against this idea have said something about Sega's budget. If Shenmue III was made, then would it not cost the same amount as any other game? I really wouldn't mind if it was low-budget to tell the truth. At least we would all finally see the end of this mysterious cliffhanger. It could not be low-budget if they made it though because people would pay a lot of money to make up for what money Sega spent on the game itself, so Sega should want to make the game. They would be making money from it because almost every Sega fan has been waiting for it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on August 10, 2013, 05:17:44 pm
Pcm92, I have never heard ANYONE call themselves a troll. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, bored out of your mind, or if there is something mentally wrong with you. Thank you for removing your vote. I think.

Back to Shenmue III, most people that are against this idea have said something about Sega's budget. If Shenmue III was made, then would it not cost the same amount as any other game? I really wouldn't mind if it was low-budget to tell the truth. At least we would all finally see the end of this mysterious cliffhanger. It could not be low-budget if they made it though because people would pay a lot of money to make up for what money Sega spent on the game itself, so Sega should want to make the game. They would be making money from it because almost every Sega fan has been waiting for it.

And every video game news outlet has been ready to trash it since about 07.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 10, 2013, 09:26:41 pm
"video game news outlets" are still a thing? Some people take gaming waay too seriously.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 11, 2013, 02:02:59 pm
"video game news outlets" are still a thing? Some people take gaming waay too seriously.

You definately make a good point there. It used to be different though. People now play games online and buy download content. We used to be able to get our lazy selves off the couch and into the video game rental stores to rent a game we would play for a short time before we had to return it to the store. I miss those days.

I don't know what to think of Shenmue III, if I have never played the first two. I just think that Sega should focus on a few other franchises before going back to one that might not make that much money.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on August 15, 2013, 06:16:40 pm
You definately make a good point there. It used to be different though. People now play games online and buy download content. We used to be able to get our lazy selves off the couch and into the video game rental stores to rent a game we would play for a short time before we had to return it to the store. I miss those days.

I don't know what to think of Shenmue III, if I have never played the first two. I just think that Sega should focus on a few other franchises before going back to one that might not make that much money.

Why would convenience be a bad thing?

I am not sure why you keep saying they do not have the money or that they will not make enough of it. Sega makes plenty of games and every game that a company makes will make more money than what they spend on making it. Shenmue III is one of those games that has the potential to be one of the best selling games that Sega has ever made.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 16, 2013, 05:34:45 pm
Why would convenience be a bad thing?

I am not sure why you keep saying they do not have the money or that they will not make enough of it. Sega makes plenty of games and every game that a company makes will make more money than what they spend on making it. Shenmue III is one of those games that has the potential to be one of the best selling games that Sega has ever made.

It was just an opinion. Like I said, I don't know what to think about it. Shenmue II could have been improved a lot. Shenmue III would have to feature the first two as being playable as an option (new and improved versions). They would need the first two because there are people - including me - that have never played any Shenmue games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on August 17, 2013, 04:44:18 am
It was just an opinion. Like I said, I don't know what to think about it. Shenmue II could have been improved a lot. Shenmue III would have to feature the first two as being playable as an option (new and improved versions). They would need the first two because there are people - including me - that have never played any Shenmue games.

I can agree with that. Like I have told you many times before, I just don't see why you keep posting in a Shenmue topic, if you have never played any of the games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 17, 2013, 08:58:18 am
Never playing Shenmue II yet stating that it could use improvement?? Does not compute.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 17, 2013, 12:09:02 pm
In my mind, pcm92 sounds like a robotic semmie
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 18, 2013, 02:53:33 am
I saw the sales of both games on the Internet. I did actually think I should perhaps try them before I posted in this thread. I just decided not to though. Attempting to be controversial because I was bored out of my mind was probably not the best solution. Shenmue II was made in 2001. Shenmue III would have to feature the first two with better graphics. I am not semmie. I do admire a few of his ideas though. It's just that I'm not obsessed with a new console from SEGA like he is.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 20, 2013, 02:36:17 am
Shenmue III might actually be an ok game. I'm not sure. I might try it if it is actually released. I just DO NOT think it will be realeased.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 20, 2013, 05:36:49 am
Ok.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 20, 2013, 07:43:54 am
Having conversations with himself again...

Just play the damn game or quit making comments about the fact that you haven't played it! The consoles exist, the games exist, they're not rare or difficult to find.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nameless 24 on August 20, 2013, 07:51:05 am
In my mind, pcm92 sounds like a robotic semmie

I wouldn't go that far at all!

Semmie made no sense that a bot couldn't possibly copy him!

And I believe Semmie loved Shenmue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 20, 2013, 08:59:04 am
You guys are probably right. I should leave this topic alone, since I have not played the Shenmue games yet. They are actually kind of rare though, Barry. It would be nearly impossible to find them in a store. People have to buy them online now. I guess I could do that. Nameless24, I agree that I am not semmie. I like the fact that you can realise that. There were only a few things that I can think of that semmie ever posted. I think he was banned about two months after I joined this website.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 20, 2013, 09:12:51 am
You don't have to leave it alone. You can still discuss the game, wether it be your impressions of gameplay videos or trailers or marketing. Hell, I comment on Yakuza topics and I don't own a PS3.

It's just that all you say is that you have never played it, or that you don't play it, or that you want to play it. Just play it! I realize it is not in stores (unless its a used game shop) but that applies to countless titles. It's easily found online, and the original is typically $20. My advice is to buy it and play it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 20, 2013, 02:53:30 pm
I think he was banned about two months after I joined this website.
Yeah he was.. I was joking of course, but it was just a comment on how you are a bit confusing at times lol

You don't even have to buy the games really, NullDC runs ISOs just fine from what I'm told..
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 28, 2013, 07:57:30 am
Yeah he was.. I was joking of course, but it was just a comment on how you are a bit confusing at times lol

You don't even have to buy the games really, NullDC runs ISOs just fine from what I'm told..

What website is the emulator for Shenmue on?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 28, 2013, 07:59:36 am
No posting download links on the forums please. ;)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on August 28, 2013, 09:52:59 am
Have you guys seen this?

Edge Magazine is celebrating 20 years, and they are publishing this anniversary issue with 20 different covers.
Here are some examples:

1998: The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time
Artist: Wil Overton

1999: Shenmue
Artist: Dennis Hind

2002: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Artist: Craig Stevenson

The thing is: Shenmue will be in one of those coevrs.

(http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/08/1998-Ocarina-Of-Time.jpg)

(http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/08/1999-Shenmue.jpg)

(http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/08/2002-GTA-Vice-City.jpg)

Cool, isnt it?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 28, 2013, 10:05:45 am
The Shenmue one looks pretty cool, wonder how I can pick this up...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on August 31, 2013, 05:10:33 pm
No posting download links on the forums please. ;)

I appreciate the "please." It's just that I don't understand how you can complain about me not playing the game, then not want me to play the game. Is it just a random pointless rule for the forums or something like that?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 31, 2013, 09:59:14 pm
Google search it or hit eBay. I would love it if you played the game, but we just don't want members publically posting download links no matter how old the games. You're free to PM each other.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on September 03, 2013, 09:51:59 pm
Pcm92, I am sure that if you actually PLAY THE GAMES, then you will finally wonder why there is not a Shenmue III. Shenmue II was left on what you might call a cliffhanger. There have been many statements as to why Shenmue III would not actually work.

1. Budget.

This is probably the most common response. I think it would cost about as much as any other Sega game, and most of the games they have been making lately have not sold much, so sales should not really be a problem either.

2. Interest.

People might not be as interested in the Shenmue franchise as they used to be. That does not mean anything as to their interest in the future. Street Fighter:2 was a success. Most people have never even played Street Fighter:1. I am not sure if there even is one.

3. Modern technology.

Actually this is more of an advantage, so I am not sure what people were thinking with this one. I mean, graphics and download content would be amazing.

There would be no other Sega game better than Shenmue III. It would be the greatest Sega release of all time!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on February 02, 2014, 09:46:21 am
She mute III is still happening!

http://www.igameresponsibly.com/2013/11/27/cerny-and-suzuki-may-reveal-shenmue-iii-at-gdc-2014/

http://www.ps4site.com/news/shenmue-3-on-the-horizon/

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/14960/article/shenmue-voice-actor-teases-fans-with-pictures-from-sega/
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on February 02, 2014, 11:03:39 am
Why did you post three links about old Shenmue 3 rumors that all turned out to either be fake or not about Shenmue 3?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 02, 2014, 11:19:31 am
I am interested in this post-mortem on Shenmue at GDC at least.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on February 02, 2014, 03:38:47 pm
She mute III is still happening!

http://www.igameresponsibly.com/2013/11/27/cerny-and-suzuki-may-reveal-shenmue-iii-at-gdc-2014/

http://www.ps4site.com/news/shenmue-3-on-the-horizon/

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/14960/article/shenmue-voice-actor-teases-fans-with-pictures-from-sega/

She Mute?

Shenmue III is probably not going to happen. I don't know for sure because I don't work for Sega. I highly doubt that it will though because it has been so long since they released the second one. BTW, why did you post on a thread that has not been posted in since September? Those links go to websites that have nothing to do with actual news. The first link says it is fake. The other links are speculation from last year. I wonder why anyone would think to post old links or links that even say they are false. I guess you just wanted to revive your thread, right? Of course, there was another thread created just like this one. It was not too long ago. You could have posted valid information in the new thread. Even posting the invalid links in the new thread would have made more since.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on February 03, 2014, 03:48:49 pm
Funny Shenmue video of the moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfWPa7Q1JTQ
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on February 12, 2014, 05:20:28 pm
Shenmue III is finally going to be announced. Just watch this video!

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/mark-cerny-and-shenmue-at-gdc-2014-30955238/
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on February 12, 2014, 05:34:36 pm
Shenmue III is finally going to be announced. Just watch this video!

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/mark-cerny-and-shenmue-at-gdc-2014-30955238/

Yu Suzuki will be interviewed about the future of the Shenmue series next month. He will most likely say that it will not be continued. That is just what I think though. Take a look at the following link for yourself:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/205541/Yu_Suzuki_revisits_Shenmue_in_GDC_2014_Classic_Game_Postmortem.php
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on February 12, 2014, 05:38:09 pm
Yu Suzuki will be interviewed about the future of the Shenmue series next month. He will most likely say that it will not be continued. That is just what I think though. Take a look at the following link for yourself:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/205541/Yu_Suzuki_revisits_Shenmue_in_GDC_2014_Classic_Game_Postmortem.php

That is definitely just what you think. I bet you did not even watch the video, did you?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 12, 2014, 06:42:14 pm
How does he know and why does he think that Yu owns the IP?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on February 12, 2014, 09:26:52 pm
I find it hard to believe they'll announce anything new during this presentation.  God I'd love to be wrong but I just can't see it happening.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on February 12, 2014, 10:38:16 pm
How does he know and why does he think that Yu owns the IP?

Yu Suzuki does not own the IP. The website says that the GDC meeting will be held from March 17-21. It also says that Yu Suzuki will be interviewed during that time about future gaming ideas. It says that they will ask him about what will happen to the future of the Shenmue franchise. I just thought I would let everyone know that they should check to see what happens after the interview, if they want to know about the future of Shenmue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on February 13, 2014, 09:53:17 am
Seems like a lot of people are getting pretty amped up about this GDC talk possibly indicating some information about the future of Shenmue. But these kinds of postmortems are a longstanding GDC feature. Likewise, Gamasutra periodically runs postmortem articles from all sorts of developers. They are all focused on the past: What went right with the development, what went wrong, and what the developers learned from the experience.

The other postmortems at GDC this year will be for Zork, Robotron 2084, and Lucasfilm Games. There aren't going to be announcments of a new Zork, a Robotron sequel or a re-formation of Lucasfilm Games. What this event will be is a fascinating opportunity to learn about the development of what ultimately became Shenmue 1 and 2... not a reveal or hype event for 3.

For Shenmue fans who are able to keep their expectations realistic, it's going to be great. Just don't set yourself up for disappointment.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 13, 2014, 10:10:27 am
I still want to know why the guy in the link posted believes Yu owns the license. Does he have evidence?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on February 13, 2014, 11:12:05 pm
I still want to know why the guy in the link posted believes Yu owns the license. Does he have evidence?

I am not sure who created the article. It DOES say that it was posted by the GDC staff though. I know that it is not a forum website and that there really is going to be a GDC this year. According to the article, Yu Suzuki will be interviewed about the future of Shenmue. I do not know if that part is fact or just a hopeful guess. I - like most people who know about this franchise - wish he would finally announce if he will be considering a new Shenmue game or not.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on February 14, 2014, 10:23:06 am
There is nothing on the official GDC site about Yu Suzuki being interviewed about the future of Shenmue. You're referring to a random forum post, not the GDC event info. The only thing Yu Suzuki is doing at GDC is talking about the development of the games that have already been released.

Yu Suzuki has already stated multiple times in the past few years that he wants to make Shenmue 3, but it's a matter of getting the funds to do so from a publisher, which hasn't happened yet (as far as we know). So, is he 'considering' making Shenmue 3? He's already got it planned out, but he's done as much as he can so far. It's really not a question of if he wants to. It's a question of if he can convince a publisher to fund it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: inthesky on February 20, 2014, 09:14:33 pm
http://youtu.be/IxMf5lMWqto?t=40s

Check out the username.  :D

Nothing terribly meaningful, of course.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on March 21, 2014, 05:15:17 am
I am not sure who created the article. It DOES say that it was posted by the GDC staff though. I know that it is not a forum website and that there really is going to be a GDC this year. According to the article, Yu Suzuki will be interviewed about the future of Shenmue. I do not know if that part is fact or just a hopeful guess. I - like most people who know about this franchise - wish he would finally announce if he will be considering a new Shenmue game or not.


There is nothing on the official GDC site about Yu Suzuki being interviewed about the future of Shenmue. You're referring to a random forum post, not the GDC event info. The only thing Yu Suzuki is doing at GDC is talking about the development of the games that have already been released.

Yu Suzuki has already stated multiple times in the past few years that he wants to make Shenmue 3, but it's a matter of getting the funds to do so from a publisher, which hasn't happened yet (as far as we know). So, is he 'considering' making Shenmue 3? He's already got it planned out, but he's done as much as he can so far. It's really not a question of if he wants to. It's a question of if he can convince a publisher to fund it.


So, he did state about the 'future of shenmue' at this year's GDC.

I don't get it, we've read that Sega lost Shenmue's trademark (http://segabits.com/blog/2014/02/19/has-sega-lost-the-trademark-on-shenmue/), but does it belong 100% to Yu Suzuki ?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on March 21, 2014, 07:21:36 am
I don't believe SEGA lost the trademark. As our story suggests, it refers to specific uses of the trademark:

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Update: It should be noted that the database shows two dead trademarks for Shenmue. One, filed on February 18, 1999 and cancelled on January 17, 2009, pertains to “computer game programs and prerecorded discs and ROMs for computer game programs”. This is likely referring to the original Shenmue for the SEGA Dreamcast.

The one that was cancelled on Valentine’s Day pertains to “entertainment services, namely, providing an online computer game”. This one was filed on August 25, 2003. The now cancelled Shenmue Online was officially announced in 2004, meaning this recent dead trademark is likely for that game and the potential for games like it.

I'll admit, I am not an expert in this stuff, but I don't think it is as plain and simple as "SEGA doesn't own the trademark". I think they DO still retain the rights to Shenmue, but this whole thing is referring to specific uses of the trademark. Not to mention we're dealing with two territories, might be some wonky America/Japan thing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: JohnOfRage on April 08, 2014, 10:38:04 pm
This is what I found on Shenmue III


http://www.gamepur.com/news/14198-phil-spencer-talks-about-shenmue-3-xbox-would-welcome-it-microsofts-first-p.html


 :-X :-[ ???
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on April 11, 2014, 11:41:52 pm
Teanslation it is a Japanese thing, so why are we talking about it. If Shemue III, release it should be on the DC2, not a rubbish Microsoft BS system.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on April 12, 2014, 02:50:26 am
Teanslation it is a Japanese thing, so why are we talking about it. If Shemue III, release it should be on the DC2, not a rubbish Microsoft BS system.

Sega's never gonna make another console. Ever.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on April 12, 2014, 10:34:15 am
Not SEGA of Japan, but SEGA of Europe, maybe.

It is not really about making something with super ram, or rub.bish corperate features. It is about making something that people are familiar with. That is the main problem with "Videogame systems". Their are too many to choose, from and the market is divided.

Sega is probably afraid of releasing the, game because of the lack of fan base support on the current gen systems. Also considering who really still cares at SEGA

For it to work, the entire fanbase has to be, on one console, that is respected, and has a strong implusive want.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on April 12, 2014, 12:57:45 pm
Sega West can't fart without asking SoJ for permission first.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on April 14, 2014, 10:42:05 am
Sega can't even afford a game like Shenmue 3.
A new console would be utopic... Unfortunatelly...
I guess Sega would just loan the rights of the game just as they did with Bayonetta 2.

---

Anyway, there's this 'update':

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-04-12-i-never-want-to-play-shenmue-3-half-life-3-or-the-last-guardian
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on April 14, 2014, 09:08:17 pm
Sega will probably make Shenmue III WAY before they decide to finally make games that can actually compete with stuff like: Assasins Creed, Batman: Arkham, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Fallout, Farcry, Final Fantasy, Halo, Sleeping Dogs, or The Elder Scrolls. I wish Sega would realize that it is focusing too much of its time on other games. At least Shenmue III would be better than wasting their time on making another game about a blue hedgehog.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on April 14, 2014, 09:19:46 pm
It's sorta hard to go back to a story-driven game that last saw a release over 12 years ago and then try to tell its third chapter. Can't imagine how Shenmue III would appeal to anyone other than the small but vocal Shenmue fanbase. IMO, Sega would need to do HD rereleases of the first two games or a complete reboot before even thinking about Shenmue III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on April 26, 2014, 04:02:23 pm
It's sorta hard to go back to a story-driven game that last saw a release over 12 years ago and then try to tell its third chapter. Can't imagine how Shenmue III would appeal to anyone other than the small but vocal Shenmue fanbase. IMO, Sega would need to do HD rereleases of the first two games or a complete reboot before even thinking about Shenmue III.

SEGA would not have to do this in order to sell a successfull Shenmue III. All they would have to do is make the game and release it. All of the Shenmue fans from before would be thrilled that their dream of playing a new Shenmue game after all these years had come true. Yu Suzuki wants to do it. The only problem is who owns the liscense to the franchise. If SEGA would finally let him make the game with them, then it would definately sell. Even people who have never heard of the series would give it a try. Japanese games sell very good in the U.K. and the U.S.

It's the game that every true SEGA fan has been waiting for!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 03, 2014, 03:38:18 pm
It's the game that every true SEGA fan has been waiting for!

I'm a Sega fan. I haven't been waiting for it because it was already released. That's right! Shenmue 3 was not released under Sega. It was released under United Front. They were so good at creating Shenmue 3 that they used a new title. A Shenmue 4 is going to be released too. Here is how: Shenmue 3=Sleeping Dogs. Shenmue 4=Sleeping Dogs 2: Triad Wars.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 03, 2014, 09:19:19 pm
SEGA would not have to do this in order to sell a successfull Shenmue III. All they would have to do is make the game and release it. All of the Shenmue fans from before would be thrilled that their dream of playing a new Shenmue game after all these years had come true. Yu Suzuki wants to do it. The only problem is who owns the liscense to the franchise. If SEGA would finally let him make the game with them, then it would definately sell. Even people who have never heard of the series would give it a try. Japanese games sell very good in the U.K. and the U.S.

It's the game that every true SEGA fan has been waiting for!

Vocal minority, dude. Try taking off the nostalgia goggles.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on May 05, 2014, 06:51:46 am
Here is a good idea, why don't they do Shenmue III for the Dreamcast, and release the original Shenmue Saturn build ( which has tons of video ), with the bicycle and original story. Why not? I am sure somebody would jump up, for Shenmue Sega saturn? They could call it the fan release of the game, and pre-order just like how Falcom, has an english page, but ships everything express. I wouldn't mind paying -200, for a new Shenmue, as long as I get to play the complete Saturn build. Maybe even have video records, showcasing VR2 work environment, and a bit of their home life ( I know too much to ask for ).
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 06, 2014, 07:21:02 pm
Here is a good idea, why don't they do Shenmue III for the Dreamcast, and release the original Shenmue Saturn build ( which has tons of video ), with the bicycle and original story. Why not? I am sure somebody would jump up, for Shenmue Sega saturn? They could call it the fan release of the game, and pre-order just like how Falcom, has an english page, but ships everything express. I wouldn't mind paying -200, for a new Shenmue, as long as I get to play the complete Saturn build. Maybe even have video records, showcasing VR2 work environment, and a bit of their home life ( I know too much to ask for ).

1. For one game, Sega would need a disc pressing company to convert their equipment over to manufacture two obsolete types of discs. For the Saturn, they would have to press CDs with a security ring. For the Dreamcast, GD-ROMs. It would cost a lot.

2. Assuming Sega even knows where the source code is, Shenmue on the Saturn probably isn't anywhere close to a finished or even playable game.

3. The first Shenmue game only sold 1.2 million copies worldwide. Sega would have to count on a significant number of that 1.2 million to buy the game again. A 15-year-old game... Released on an obsolete medium... That would have to be sold for hundreds of dollars per unit...

In short: too expensive, no market.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on May 09, 2014, 02:13:57 am
Something tells me he wasn't serious.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 09, 2014, 03:42:39 am
Something tells me he wasn't serious.

Try reading some of his other posts and think it over again.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 10, 2014, 01:38:53 am
Something tells me he wasn't serious.

He was. He posted something very similar before. Shenmue I & II will never have a sequel. This was even claimed by Sega at one point. Think about it. Why would they wait more than fifteen years to make a sequel?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 10, 2014, 02:43:58 am
He was. He posted something very similar before. Shenmue I & II will never have a sequel. This was even claimed by Sega at one point. Think about it. Why would they wait more than fifteen years to make a sequel?

Sega giving up on Yakuza in the West pretty much seals the deal, I think.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on May 10, 2014, 07:37:15 pm
1. You see, while the Dreamcast was selling, their was also people, making copies of the official disc. Pretty sure SEGA, has a bypass for that soughta thing. Sega could make a freeloader boot disc, to load from CD, if they had to. People could buy that in the package as well.

2. Shenmue for the Saturn was reported finished, by it's creator.

3. People would be buying the Shenmue Saturn, and Shenmue III, Dreamcast. Together in one package. Not seperated. So people will have two reasons to buy Shenmue. People who do not want either, could always pawn it, if they feel like it.

NEver got into Yukazaa. It looked good on paper, but I heard it was flop. I sitll want to check it out. Poor SEGA and all the greatness left on the X-box.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 11, 2014, 01:29:36 am
1. You see, while the Dreamcast was selling, their was also people, making copies of the official disc. Pretty sure SEGA, has a bypass for that soughta thing. Sega could make a freeloader boot disc, to load from CD, if they had to. People could buy that in the package as well.

So you expect them to create something similar to the Utopia boot disc and give people instructions on how to swap discs and such... LOL... Okay, even if they would do something like that, how about the Saturn? There is no equivalent to a boot disc for that system. If you're going to swap, you need an official disc to boot from, and you need to be quick and worry about damaging your optical drive in the process.

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2. Shenmue for the Saturn was reported finished, by it's creator.

Link to an article where Yu Suzuki says that. You might be right, but I'd still like to see where he said it.

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3. People would be buying the Shenmue Saturn, and Shenmue III, Dreamcast. Together in one package. Not seperated. So people will have two reasons to buy Shenmue. People who do not want either, could always pawn it, if they feel like it.

You don't see Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo doing this for any of their old games/consoles, not even with games that were hits. It's asinine. No one wants this. New gamers won't play them because they don't own these old consoles, and collectors don't want this because it floods the market with remakes that undermine the value of original releases.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on May 19, 2014, 10:08:47 am
So you expect them to create something similar to the Utopia boot disc

Look, people are making Dreamcast games right now, are they using the official GD-rom writers to make them? If we use CD's so what?

Also on a Saturn, you just need to find a way to cover up the region code ( which is located on the edge of all discs ). I think a "disc skin" should do the job. I never tried them, they were protective covering for discs, but the coverings went to the edge of the disc itself. As long as you can block the laser from reading that region code, a Saturn game could load.

Also why not make a simple boot disc. So what if people can load copies. It is about the respect of the product itself, not the amount of copies being made.

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Link to an article where Yu Suzuki says that. You might be right, but I'd still like to see where he said it.

I do remember an article or translated articles. But Shenmue two for the Dreamcast is really the original Shenmue. That is why some of the footage from the Saturn game looks simular from the second game. I will try if I get the chance to, but I do remember reading the game was mostly done, but late in the life of the SS, only because AM2 wanted to show off it's finest work.

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You don't see Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo doing this for any of their old games/consoles, not even with games that were hits. It's asinine. No one wants this. New gamers won't play them because they don't own these old consoles, and collectors don't want this because it floods the market with remakes that undermine the value of original releases.

New gamers are the children of the older gamers. New gamers could be given pong, and call it fun.
We know what is best for our children, and that is what we grewed up with, for those of us, who were blessed or lucky. However that is the point. The point is preserving what we have, instead of casting it to the shadows. If it could be done in Japan, why not over here?

The only person who could believe what you are saying is a bum. Only a bum, with a r-tard phone, could get any joy out of DLC. That is the future you are talking about. Where you can never ever, ever own a videogame. Where you can never own anything at all. We are just patrons on the Star Treck enterprise. You see that area of the ship, that gets blown to bits, that us, right? The expendables, in red getting phasered, and lasered away.

I have a home, and it might not be perfect, but I want real things lining my walls. A fire could happen, a break n' entry, or even an home invasion ( in fact somebody broke into my house four, times already ). At least I have my beloved prized junk, that is a real product. When every bum outside will be like "Hey lets go down to Bon!!don!!, house, he has a giant 180 exHd, I will bring my r-tard phone ( PSP ) and plug it into the exHDmi-Mini. Then I am going to dail up into the service for all the DLC, and with the lighting fast, but no privacy speed of Don! connection, I am going to load the game from the server.

So basically your expecting me to have a job, so I can have my phone service, which includes my internet service. If not, your expecting Bon! to have a job, to pay for his rental, morgage, etc, so he can have a place to store his 360" display. So we can take full advantage of the exHd components I or Don! owns, so we can use our wireless controllers that automatically picks up off the r-tard phone.

Then we might get bored with a game, because my imaginary game server, has a bunch of titles, all with previews and links to video game plays. No more of "keep your hands of my games".

Lets think about this again. A game system that is my phone, that has no privacy, and can only load what is available ( like Netflicks ). Basically I am paying a tax for something that has no trade value.

...


Microsoft does not have a system, they have a government contract, with bankers. The contract forces big business ( educational, hospitals, non-for-profit, and anybody on the governments tab  ),
to update on purpose. Otherwise they would not have a business. We the end consumer are affected when we are forced to purchase their products. Speaking of which the new 720 looks like crap.
...

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It's asinine.

My asinining idea, is that you could make a game for whatever system you want, put a cassette/cartridge inside the case with the disc, or even flash, and have a product that will be sought after for years.

Not just hey lets collect the money and leave the consumer with a cable subscription, and a really big flat screen, just like the ones from "Futurama". A bunch of flatscreens that can never upscale, never use a regular light gun, and never look normal to the eyes ( because it is always a wide screen. A bunch of gamplay where the entire environment is paraded around, and the character is this little small dot, on this great big gigantic display.

My idea is, I know myself. I know what is good for myself, I know what is good for my children, I know what is good for the future. I mean yes being materialistic is wrong. Then again I am no Jue, so I was never taught "Thou shall not own products, that will rust and mold". In fact I love the Japanese idea, that "If I own something long enough, it will turn into a Raccon Dog" or come to life, bit.

:: had morning walk ::

I was just thinking about this, as I had my morning walk. Okay I am going to buy Shenmue 3 on a device that is supported by people who do not love the things I love and they allowing me to purchase a subscription, that leaves me with something I might not play for anoter five years or so? Then the subscription might not exsist or the service might not exsist. I am going to support that cable subscription, to bu.....play...play, Shenmue 3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11??? But I will never own a physical copy.

I feel robbed and I feel my purchased will be robbed. There is alot angry poor people out their poorer then me, and they are willing to take the DLC, because it is free. There are a lot of angry rich people, who do not want people to own anything at all. Old money does not like new money,
and vice versa. Rich people wants to keep getting rich, knowing the consumer is going to buy into
it.

SEGA already calculated this. They predicted keeping up with hardware would cost too much. They also known the attention they want from a product, will not gain as much because of many thing I mentioned, in my last post. That is why SEGA will not release Shenmue. The time is not right, and the consumers known it too. SEGA wants both the original consumers, and their children to purchase Shenmue, and play it side by side or alone. They want everybody to be happy. They do not want to look like the enemy.

SEGA also made a mistake already doing this. They decided to work on the X-box, over Nintendo. However nowadays people are playing the GCN games on the Wii/WiiU. You rarely see anybody talk about the non-GCN games. Why is everybody still messing with the GCN, over the X-box??? If all of SEGA games were on the GCN over the X-box they would have saved some money. There is not one X-box release that SEGA has made, that everybody is going gaga crazy over. They could have been working on the Dreamcast release of these games as well.

Look at Resident Evil. Look at Resident Evil 1.5 and 2.5, a game that has yet to see an official release. Capcom could have made some dollars, package the game with RE5, and RE6. They could have released the dancing baby, and super violent directors cut of version of RE4 for the GCN inside an PS3 box.

That is the future. Your going to see game creators appease to the over all audience. Not just whatever r-tard anti-privacy women perse tinker toy.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 21, 2014, 05:37:24 pm
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/05/yu-suzuki-talks-shenmue-3 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/05/yu-suzuki-talks-shenmue-3)
 
I definately don't think it is over with. I think the new generation of consoles definately has potential to make the game. The rest of you who do not agree are just being too pessimistic. The two major consoles that have been released are the Xbox One and the PS4. The minor console was the WiiU. They all three release Japanese related video games. Sleeping Dogs was nothing like a shenmue game. I don't want to play as an undercover police officer. I want to play as Ryo Hazuki!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 21, 2014, 07:53:25 pm
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/05/yu-suzuki-talks-shenmue-3 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/05/yu-suzuki-talks-shenmue-3)
 
I definately don't think it is over with. I think the new generation of consoles definately has potential to make the game. The rest of you who do not agree are just being too pessimistic. The two major consoles that have been released are the Xbox One and the PS4. The minor console was the WiiU. They all three release Japanese related video games. Sleeping Dogs was nothing like a shenmue game. I don't want to play as an undercover police officer. I want to play as Ryo Hazuki!

But it's not up to the consoles, it's up to SEGA which in turn is up to whatever deals they make with Sony or MS. Problem is, SEGA can't afford such a risk like Shenmue 3 and neither Sony or MS appear to be in need of a Shenmue revival to bolster their sales. One could argue that Nintendo may be desperate enough, but I honestly think Nintendo looks to their own IPs before resorting to others. With Bayonetta 2, the game was a proven success and is much cheaper to produce than a third Shenmue, plus the franchise is relatively new compared to Shenmue and the dev team are equipped to make a sequel. Shenmue, meanwhile, would require getting Suzuki back into developing AAA titles and assembling a sizable team to make the game.

It's not being pessimistic, it's being realistic. I still think Shenmue 3 is possible, but it is a very very slim chance. The only ways I could see it happening is if (A) one of the major console makers inks a deal with SEGA to make the game an exclusive (B) a SEGA studio or external dev, or a mix of both teams works with Suzuki and (C) somebody in a powerful position actually green lights the thing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 22, 2014, 08:12:21 am
Speaking of Shenmue: http://segabits.com/blog/2014/05/22/rumor-sega-renews-the-shenmue-trademark-could-shenmue-hd-be-back-on-track/
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 22, 2014, 08:52:22 am
I'm a Sega fan. I haven't been waiting for it because it was already released. That's right! Shenmue 3 was not released under Sega. It was released under United Front. They were so good at creating Shenmue 3 that they used a new title. A Shenmue 4 is going to be released too. Here is how: Shenmue 3=Sleeping Dogs. Shenmue 4=Sleeping Dogs 2: Triad Wars.

You've got to be joking, Sleeping Dogs was fun, but it wasn't even close to Shenmue. It was basically GTA, but done better and more fun than GTAIV.

Not saying Sleeping Dogs was a bad game, far from it, and I quite enjoyed it, but it's not Shenmue in the slightest. If anything I would even say Yakuza is closer to Shenmue, and that's still a stretch.


As for Shenmue 3, the best bet would be Sega losing the rights to it at this point and letting someone else make it. Maybe they want to keep the rights so they can make a mobile game out of it. Again.


Hopefull the HD re-releases eventually come out, it might lead to a miracle...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on May 22, 2014, 05:14:13 pm
Well, Sleeping Dogs can be made to look like a Shenmue game at least. :V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdgKAf6f6U

Seriously though, it's really not a Shenmue game. Thanks for reminding me that there's a sequel coming though, I wonder if it'll be shown at E3.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on May 22, 2014, 07:14:08 pm
Yawn....I don't even care if they made a sequel to Shenmue. I would just start a new series, featuring, the "After math of Virtua Fighter", where Shenmue is the before. I think a couple of fighters have made side story games, ( at least two ) on the PS2 already.

Another thing, if they do make it, I wish they have three modes. 1. Original Japanese, 2. Martial Arts Movie mode where, everybody speaks "that way" 3. X Western language, like Dutch ( Like Viewtiful Joe did, they pretty much made an feature, where everybody speaks some sorta Dutch, or "What English sounds like to Japanese mode ).

I am just sick of watching Asian ( whatever people ), sound like the person, on my answering machine. I miss the "Bad voice acting" from the Saturn/Sega CD days. It sounds alot better. Everything sounds like a TV news caster voice.

While X people do sound rather, off when they do speak that way ( in my opinion ), it kinda gets on my nerves when I see it, inside an videogame alot.

I don't care, what was, is what was. Making another Shenmue, we should slap a sticker on it, and do a "Luigi Spoof". Yeah, wouldn't that be rad, Luigi, doing Shenmue, We will call it "Mario Missing again, IN THE REAL WORLD". Then Koopa could be, like how he was back then, a morph between Wart and Bowser.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on May 24, 2014, 10:45:26 am
RegalSin, ik snap nog steeds niet hoe je niet verbannen bent van dit forum. Jouw posts zijn gewoon te geniaal.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 24, 2014, 12:59:09 pm
Nr. zijn berichten zijn gewoon vervelend. Ik ben niet zeker waarom hij denkt dat ze zijn grappig. Geen van zijn berichten zinvol zelfs. Trouwens, waarom zijn we plotseling te typen in het Nederlands op deze website?

Back to English, I think Shenmue III would be an interesting topic right now. E3 for console competition is coming up next month. It's the first E3 after the release of all three consoles. Shenmue III might have to be on PC before it is released on any console. If I were to suggest ideas though, then people might not like them. That's what I have learned on this site.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on May 24, 2014, 04:04:27 pm
Haha more dutchies :) .Ik ga letterlijk helemaal stuk om die regalsin

From what I gathered ps4 has been looking most likely for shenmue. The whole trademark thing is very interesting and man do I hope to see something at E3. I do wonder though if the SEGA of today or whoever the team is made out of, can capture the magic of what made shenmue so great
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 26, 2014, 08:04:31 am
I don't believe we will see anything Shenmue related this E3. There never is.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 26, 2014, 11:16:24 am
RegalSin, ik snap nog steeds niet hoe je niet verbannen bent van dit forum. Jouw posts zijn gewoon te geniaal.

Just a matter of time:

http://history.sydlexia.com/index.php?title=RegalSin
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on May 26, 2014, 11:30:50 am
Just a matter of time:

http://history.sydlexia.com/index.php?title=RegalSin

Whoa. I just thought he was stupid, not a troll. Silly me.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 26, 2014, 11:32:53 am
Whoa. I just thought he was stupid, not a troll. Silly me.

Probably a little from "Column A" and a little from "Column B."
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on May 26, 2014, 11:36:02 am
lol it seems he's a popular guy in the internet
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on May 26, 2014, 07:44:57 pm
Probably a little from "Column A" and a little from "Column B."

Yeah...reading over some other posts of his now I'd like to push for a ban. Bleh. Keeping us from being a little racy and taboo isn't going to fix these forums, but keeping people like "RegalSin" out is a good start.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 27, 2014, 09:04:12 pm
RegalSin just wants attention. RegalSin thinks Regalsin is making everyone laugh. Those who read Regalsin's posts anyway. Unfortunately, RegalSin is wrong.
 
Changing the subject, just a few more days and this thread will have existed an entire year. What does it take to make it a sticky?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on May 28, 2014, 05:06:06 am
A 'sticky' thread doesn't get too much attention.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 28, 2014, 10:05:35 am
Yeah, stickies get ignored by most because it looks like another 'rules' thread or something.


I wonder if the HD re-releases will ever happen. Would love to see them done by the JSR guys. That's about the best I can hope for at this point. If they do get released i doubt Sega would show it at E3 though.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 28, 2014, 10:17:45 am
Rumor has it that the HD ports have been completed for a while. :( Here's hoping whatever the holdup was has been cleared. Some say it is rights issues, but I can't imagine what right's issues there are (music maybe?). Or it could be that they wanted it ready for PS4 and XB1?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 28, 2014, 02:03:28 pm
Who knows? It's probably the same deal with SNK's King of Fighters updates on Steam, they've been found on steam registries for more than half a year ago but they haven't so much as hinted to them yet.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on May 28, 2014, 05:00:37 pm

I'm afraid those HD ports would make the same sucess as the Yakuza HD port.
Then the dream about Shenmue III would be buried again :(

OT: Really? I did not know about those KoF updates.
I was checking the news about Ultra Street Fighter IV and I thought "Hey, there could be a new content for KoF XIII as well".



Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 28, 2014, 06:18:42 pm
^It's not KoF XIII related, but King of Fighters 98 & 2k2 UM versions have been on the cards for some time. They were found on the steam registry at the same time XIII turned up, but nothing has been seen since.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 28, 2014, 06:27:06 pm
Rumor has it that the HD ports have been completed for a while. :( Here's hoping whatever the holdup was has been cleared. Some say it is rights issues, but I can't imagine what right's issues there are (music maybe?). Or it could be that they wanted it ready for PS4 and XB1?

If it were music, they'd just replace the offending tracks.

At any rate, next gen is here and E3 is coming up. If they're not announced, then the rumor was probably bogus.

I'm afraid those HD ports would make the same sucess as the Yakuza HD port.
Then the dream about Shenmue III would be buried again :(

They'd be your ticket to getting a third game if they do well enough. If they fail, at least the Shenmue community will quiet down, so that's a plus...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 29, 2014, 08:57:35 am
I'm afraid those HD ports would make the same sucess as the Yakuza HD port.
Then the dream about Shenmue III would be buried again :(

Didn't Yakuza HD fail because it was on Wii-U? That system is poison for sales of anything other than Mario.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on May 29, 2014, 09:15:14 am
Didn't Yakuza HD fail because it was on Wii-U? That system is poison for sales of anything other than Mario.

The Wii U version failed yes. I recall some people were saying it was due to it being a late port but  we're saying late ports on the PS3 (From Xbox 360) PS4 and Xbox One all posting some impressive numbers whilst the Wii U continues to fail so you can chalk that down due to the system (Also IIRC the Playstation 3 port managed to sell over 100,000 units)

I'd also say Wii U is poison for Mario too though, people tend to forget the Mario game(s) are bundled with the console.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on May 29, 2014, 11:08:01 am
Quote
Big Third-Party Xbox One Exclusive

A reliable source has confirmed that Microsoft is going to have at least one "big" third-party exclusive reveal during their stage show. We don't know the exact game, but our source said the game is both something "unexpected" and "something people will be really excited about."

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-rumors/1100-6419935/

Which game comes to your mind? haha
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Saturn Memories on May 29, 2014, 11:24:17 am
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-rumors/1100-6419935/

Which game comes to your mind? haha

Half Life 3.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on May 29, 2014, 01:34:40 pm
Half Life 3.

I can't imagine HL3 being exclusive to Xbox One...especially after all the Steam partnership with Sony/Playstation 3. Guessing it's gonna be a bit more oddball than that.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 29, 2014, 07:51:26 pm
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-rumors/1100-6419935/

Which game comes to your mind? haha

It'll be something that appeals to dudebros, this is Microsoft we are talking about. It's possibly even Mortal Kombat 10.

Or something like a new Medal of Honor.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on May 29, 2014, 09:32:23 pm
Beyond Good and Evil 2? Well, at least I hope so.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on May 30, 2014, 05:24:50 am
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140501150431/walkingdead/images/3/3d/Wat.jpeg)

I was expecting to read some Shenmue III-related answers.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 30, 2014, 07:02:56 am
^We know, but we are being realistic :(
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on May 30, 2014, 11:27:55 am
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140501150431/walkingdead/images/3/3d/Wat.jpeg)

I was expecting to read some Shenmue III-related answers.

Maybe like 10 years ago, sure.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 30, 2014, 06:14:32 pm
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-rumors/1100-6419935/

Which game comes to your mind? haha

Those are just rumors.

Try this link:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-20-yu-suzuki-is-looking-into-kickstarter

It's for real. Yu wants to do a kickstarter for the third installment of Shenmue!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 31, 2014, 10:42:01 am
Those are just rumors.

Try this link:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-20-yu-suzuki-is-looking-into-kickstarter

It's for real. Yu wants to do a kickstarter for the third installment of Shenmue!

Just wait until E3. There will be no announcement of a Shenmue 3 this year or any of the years to come. There has never been one since thirteen years ago. For some reason, people like you can not understand that there can't be a sequel. The company that made the first two was bankrupt. Sega only wanted the first two games to be on a Sega console. The game would not sell good because hardly anyone knows about it. Even hd ports would be a bad idea. I'm sorry. That link is also a rumor.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on May 31, 2014, 04:59:29 pm
Somehow I think the truth is somewhere between the two extreme beliefs expressed above.

As for E3, I wouldn't put too much hope in being surprised by any publishers these days. It just doesn't happen much anymore, because no one wants their big announcement to be lost in the shuffle. If you've noticed, the major publishers have been making their announcements in the past few weeks, not waiting until E3.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: fernandeath on May 31, 2014, 05:46:34 pm
I've shared a similar opinion in here http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3028.msg64601#msg64601
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on May 31, 2014, 08:35:03 pm
Regarding Shenmue III, I was recently reflecting that it's the only RPG I know of that has a full fighting engine within it. Maybe an angle that could be used to imbue III with some greater appeal beyond those who've already played the first two, is if there is a separate and fully realized multiplayer fighting mode, that is robust enough to be of interest to the fighting game community. Obviously that's still a bit of a niche community, but it would at least expand the audience somewhat, and to a community that is very passionate about their games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nirmugen on May 31, 2014, 08:44:58 pm
Well, remember that Yu Suzuki is a really scary person because if you see all the ideas left for the Shenmue series that appeared in the GDC conference, it's ahead further beyond the time itself. Seriously, that guy has an incredible amount of ideas in his head...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on June 04, 2014, 10:01:21 am
Yu Suzuki ( the guy with spikey hair ???? that was talking about Shenmue 11, in an interview??? Back when he was cool and younger looking?> ) looking at his photos now, it looks kinda depressing. Rather then an game creator but looks like the corrupted people in Shenmue, if you understand.


The way I see his ideas, he is like anybody else we know who has plans for fictional works. Honestly he does not look so bad at all. He is like me or you but works for SEGA
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 04, 2014, 03:44:14 pm
Yu Suzuki ( the guy with spikey hair ???? that was talking about Shenmue 11, in an interview???
Shenmue 11?

Slow down man, we still want Shenmue 3 through to 10 before that!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 08, 2014, 01:09:41 pm
Yu Suzuki ( the guy with spikey hair ??? ? that was talking about Shenmue 11, in an interview??? Back when he was cool and younger looking?> ) looking at his photos now, it looks kinda depressing. Rather then an game creator but looks like the corrupted people in Shenmue, if you understand.

The way I see his ideas, he is like anybody else we know who has plans for fictional works. Honestly he does not look so bad at all. He is like me or you but works for SEGA

Did you mean to type III instead of II or 11? Just because he gets older does not mean he will retire from the gaming market altogether. I am sure that he still has a few ideas before that. I am including Shenmue III in this. I gaurantee that Yu will make a new Shenmue before he retires. He could even announce it at this year's E3. I bet he might. The new games for the new consoles are going to be announced, so why not? Besides, isn't Sega making some Steam machine or something like that soon?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on June 08, 2014, 04:54:08 pm
I remember an interview done with AM2 ( the team who did the Shenmue games ), and they were showing off, how Shenmue is really meant to have eleven games in the series. I don't know if this was done around the time, of the X-box games.

It is like everytime it is, when is this going to come out SEGA? Are you going to be absorbed into Microsoft? Is SEGA selling Sonic to Nintendo? And so forth, with SEGA everytime.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 09, 2014, 09:01:45 am

Did you mean to type III instead of II or 11? Just because he gets older does not mean he will retire from the gaming market altogether. I am sure that he still has a few ideas before that. I am including Shenmue III in this. I gaurantee that Yu will make a new Shenmue before he retires. He could even announce it at this year's E3. I bet he might. The new games for the new consoles are going to be announced, so why not? Besides, isn't Sega making some Steam machine or something like that soon?


Don't do it to yourself, son. Take it from me, never expect anything from Sega at E3. You'll get Aliens: Infestation and maybe if you're very lucky some new gameplay footage of the latest Sonic train-wreck. That's all you get, and that's all you'll ever get from Sega.

As for Shenners, boy it would be nice if it ever eventuated, but it'll take some serious doing. Why would MS or Sony pay for Shenmue when they can use that money to get CoD Map DLC exclusive for two weeks?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 10, 2014, 06:52:03 pm
Don't do it to yourself, son. Take it from me, never expect anything from Sega at E3. You'll get Aliens: Infestation and maybe if you're very lucky some new gameplay footage of the latest Sonic train-wreck. That's all you get, and that's all you'll ever get from Sega.

As for Shenners, boy it would be nice if it ever eventuated, but it'll take some serious doing. Why would MS or Sony pay for Shenmue when they can use that money to get CoD Map DLC exclusive for two weeks?

I said he might announce it at this E3. He hasn't so far. It might even take a few more years. Like you said, Sega is interested in all of their games that hardly anyone plays right now. I'm ready for Sega to make a comeback and release Shenmue III! Who's with me?

http://www.petitiononline.com/shen1986/petition.html
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on June 11, 2014, 05:30:11 pm
I said he might announce it at this E3. He hasn't so far. It might even take a few more years. Like you said, Sega is interested in all of their games that hardly anyone plays right now. I'm ready for Sega to make a comeback and release Shenmue III! Who's with me?

http://www.petitiononline.com/shen1986/petition.html

They will always be interested in the games that hardly anyone plays. Do you know why? Because Sega has been working closely with Nintendo. Why is Nintendo doing the same? Because Nintendo wants to increase video games in children so that they will remember them from the Nintendo games from their childhood. Nintendo/Sega also wants to help increase their sales in the Japanese market, instead of in the U.S. This is likely due to the fact that both Sega and Nintendo are based in Japan.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 14, 2014, 01:36:01 pm
I can not believe SEGA did not announce Shenmue III this year. I guess they are waiting to see which system will succeed the most before they decide what platform to put it on. If SEGA does not release it in the next five years, then even I have to admit that they might not ever make it. I do have hopes for next year though. I hope all of you will too.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 15, 2014, 05:15:15 am
I can not believe SEGA did not announce Shenmue III this year. I guess they are waiting to see which system will succeed the most before they decide what platform to put it on. If SEGA does not release it in the next five years, then even I have to admit that they might not ever make it. I do have hopes for next year though. I hope all of you will too.
It won't happen. The closest time SHENMUE 3 happened was early in the Xbox era. It won't happen now because Sega is basically another company now from the one in the early noughties. All they are concerned about is maintaining their status as one of the bigger games companies to a Japanese audience and updating those Japanese brands and conquering the mobile digital market. While the west will just get western PC titles and the occasional console title and Sonic. That's the reality of the situation. But here's another thing to ponder on. If western Sega fans can't get localized versions of PSO 2 and YAKUZA games which are not only successful(in asia) but are regularly updated then what chance really do you think that were going to get SHENMUE part 3? We haven't had a proper Sega RPG release in the west for a long time now which is NOT the Sega i know from my days actively buying their games. Downloading an app for something like CHAIN CHRONICLE is hardly the same as buying a package game,opening that game, slotting thame in the console and sitting down getting engrossed by the great RPG world that the masters of old Sega manage to craft. Oh well i must be getting old since that's obviously not what the public want or Sega wouldn't be doing  it....
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2014, 11:15:27 am
I agree with Joe in this case, Shenmue chances are now slim to none, especially from Sega.


Best I'm hoping for is Yu Suzuki somehow spilling the story details, maybe getting a Manga or something out of it. I would bet money that Sega has no intention of ever making another game, but at the same time will never license out the rights for someone else to make it either.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 16, 2014, 06:08:32 pm
SEGA could just put Shenmue characters in another game. I would be very happy to know that they would at least reference Shenmue in a game. Who knows? That might spark a newer generation of gamers to know about Shenmue, which could eventually cause a new game to be made.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 17, 2014, 06:32:51 am
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It won't happen. The closest time SHENMUE 3 happened was early in the Xbox era. It won't happen now because Sega is basically another company now from the one in the early noughties


I see yet another 'change of heart'. Some of us have been saying that for years and that we'll never see a Shenmue III from SEGA
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 17, 2014, 06:40:15 am

I see yet another 'change of heart'. Some of us have been saying that for years and that we'll never see a Shenmue III from SEGA

Yawn, again some of us was saying it was happening when IT was happening back in the early noughties. Dont try to rewrite history just to make yourself look cool. Grow up for gods sake.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2014, 08:02:55 am
SEGA could just put Shenmue characters in another game. I would be very happy to know that they would at least reference Shenmue in a game. Who knows? That might spark a newer generation of gamers to know about Shenmue, which could eventually cause a new game to be made.

There are a couple of references in Virtua Fighter still. You can make Akira look like Ryo, and there is the MJQ Jazz Bar in one of the stages.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 17, 2014, 09:54:24 am
SEGA could just put Shenmue characters in another game. I would be very happy to know that they would at least reference Shenmue in a game. Who knows? That might spark a newer generation of gamers to know about Shenmue, which could eventually cause a new game to be made.

There are a couple of references in Virtua Fighter still. You can make Akira look like Ryo, and there is the MJQ Jazz Bar in one of the stages.

But we've already had that with Ryo appearing in both Sonic Racing games. And those were big sellers. So its not like the character isn't getting any exposure. Its really down to the thing that has always hampered Sega, the japanese management and their mis-handling of certain operations. That part of Sega hasn't changed even if the rest of the company has.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 17, 2014, 12:02:22 pm
Yawn, again some of us was saying it was happening when IT was happening back in the early noughties. Dont try to rewrite history just to make yourself look cool. Grow up for gods sake.

No need . Weren't so long ago you were saying Yu Suzuki was working on 4 games and how much of Shenmue III had been made. Some of us just 'tried' to point out that little of Shenmue III was made even on the DC.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 18, 2014, 05:57:39 am
No need . Weren't so long ago you were saying Yu Suzuki was working on 4 games and how much of Shenmue III had been made. Some of us just 'tried' to point out that little of Shenmue III was made even on the DC.
i never said it was coming for DC so that's a lie to start off.
2003-2005 is long ago in my book. And some of us mentioned SHENMUE ONLINE that others scoffed at. Some of us including Sega themselves acknowledged SHENMUE 3 assets exist in one form or another. So keep making accusations that you can't back up. And i'll just post(when i have the time) what i exactly said. And what you said.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 18, 2014, 07:29:47 am


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i never said it was coming for DC so that's a lie to start off.
2003-2005 is long ago in my book. And some of us mentioned SHENMUE ONLINE that others scoffed at. Some of us including Sega themselves acknowledged SHENMUE 3 assets exist in one form or another. So keep making accusations that you can't back up. And i'll just post(when i have the time) what i exactly said. And what you said.


Don't come it . We had a huge thread on this site about it / Told you then little of Shenmue III had been developed and how any chance of Shenmue III was very slim for various money and politics reasons   

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 18, 2014, 07:39:25 am


Don't come it . We had a huge thread on this site about it / Told you then little of Shenmue III had been developed and how any chance of Shenmue III was very slim for various money and politics reasons   



We had many threads about it. But not once did i say it was coming on DC. Considering this site came way after the DC was canned by Sega. Try again.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 18, 2014, 08:55:45 am
Shenmue III being released in 2014 for Dreamcast sounds like something Cube would have said. Or maybe East of Eastside.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 18, 2014, 09:14:06 am
We had many threads about it. But not once did i say it was coming on DC. Considering this site came way after the DC was canned by Sega. Try again.
We had many threads about it. But not once did i say it was coming on DC. Considering this site came way after the DC was canned by Sega. Try again.

Oh you did : When trying to make out how much of the game had been developed . I even had to post almost every Mag scans of Shenmue series to date  , to show you how little of Shenmue III had been done on the DC and other than a tiny link of Shenmue III on the SEGA Europe website (in the DC days) that was pretty much all we ever got other than like 2 screen shots
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on June 18, 2014, 09:19:42 am
I personally do not care about Shenmue anymore. It would be nice, but real life is far more exciting, their are tons of real people out their, you know but seriously, I mean it is worthless. I am illeterate in Japanese. Case closed, never can enjoy 95% of videogames or comics for that matter like a normal person ever.

Shenmue being released in a CD-case on the PC is good enough for me. It would mark the death, of console videogames, and Bill Gates, would dance on his ceiling. I am being fair, this is what is going to go down.

1. Shenmue is going to be released on some game system, that has not been invented yet.
2. Shenmue is going to be released on PC ( because their is no other choice ). CD-rom case.
3. Shenmue is going to be release on some stupid game console five year olds think is greatest thing
4. Shenmue is going to be released on the Dreamcast, just for the fun of it.

It has been ten years since we were like Shenmue III. It is time for us to make our own Shenmue, Adventure, Action Movie button pressing game. Capcom could do it, why can't we. Look at the Zelda game maker thingy.

Seriously with the current state of the nation ( that nation duh ), I can say, itis pointless, to talk about this, unless we were working on something.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 18, 2014, 09:20:19 am
Oh you did : When trying to make out how much of the game had been developed . I even had to post almost every Mag scans of Shenmue series to date  , to show you how little of Shenmue III had been done on the DC and other than a tiny link of Shenmue III on the SEGA Europe website (in the DC days) that was pretty much all we ever got other than like 2 screen shots

Wrong. When i joined Sega forums it was back in 2003/4, way after the DC had finished. So you got that completely wrong I should remember that because it was the same time i joined the forum where i met you and i got Sharkey who i knew before from the sega forums to join up. Then we followed him to Sega nerds and then here. So give it up.
And you're still sore about the link. Lemme see ah yes that was down to the fact that you said Sega (in any divison) never said it was even happening and you were proven wrong. by me. As usual.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 18, 2014, 09:24:28 am
I personally do not care about Shenmue anymore. It would be nice, but real life is far more exciting, their are tons of real people out their, you know but seriously, I mean it is worthless. I am illeterate in Japanese. Case closed, never can enjoy 95% of videogames or comics for that matter like a normal person ever.

Shenmue being released in a CD-case on the PC is good enough for me. It would mark the death, of console videogames, and Bill Gates, would dance on his ceiling. I am being fair, this is what is going to go down.

1. Shenmue is going to be released on some game system, that has not been invented yet.
2. Shenmue is going to be released on PC ( because their is no other choice ). CD-rom case.
3. Shenmue is going to be release on some stupid game console five year olds think is greatest thing
4. Shenmue is going to be released on the Dreamcast, just for the fun of it.

It has been ten years since we were like Shenmue III. It is time for us to make our own Shenmue, Adventure, Action Movie button pressing game. Capcom could do it, why can't we. Look at the Zelda game maker thingy.

Seriously with the current state of the nation ( that nation duh ), I can say, itis pointless, to talk about this, unless we were working on something.

It would be better to remember the game as an unfinished masterpiece rather than to have its legacy sullied by a terrible game in the series were it to continue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 18, 2014, 10:32:29 am
I personally do not care about Shenmue anymore. It would be nice, but real life is far more exciting, their are tons of real people out their, you know but seriously, I mean it is worthless. I am illeterate in Japanese. Case closed, never can enjoy 95% of videogames or comics for that matter like a normal person ever.

Shenmue being released in a CD-case on the PC is good enough for me. It would mark the death, of console videogames, and Bill Gates, would dance on his ceiling. I am being fair, this is what is going to go down.

1. Shenmue is going to be released on some game system, that has not been invented yet.
2. Shenmue is going to be released on PC ( because their is no other choice ). CD-rom case.
3. Shenmue is going to be release on some stupid game console five year olds think is greatest thing
4. Shenmue is going to be released on the Dreamcast, just for the fun of it.

It has been ten years since we were like Shenmue III. It is time for us to make our own Shenmue, Adventure, Action Movie button pressing game. Capcom could do it, why can't we. Look at the Zelda game maker thingy.

Seriously with the current state of the nation ( that nation duh ), I can say, itis pointless, to talk about this, unless we were working on something.

I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, but Bill Gates dancing on the ceiling because Shenmue was released on CD ROM is funny. Like he's sitting in his house on his fucking Windows 98 Pentium II computer and then Shenmue arrives in the mail in one of those big cardboard box old-school PC game cases and he's so happy he breaks free from the bounds of gravity and begins dancing on the ceiling upside down.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on June 18, 2014, 11:00:48 am
Shenmue is already ruined. It has been over ten years, that is like me going back in time, to the NES or even Atari days. It is silly to dwell on the subject any further.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 18, 2014, 11:43:55 am
Shenmue is already ruined. It has been over ten years, that is like me going back in time, to the NES or even Atari days. It is silly to dwell on the subject any further.

Speaking of Atari, why won't they make Custer's Revenge II? We've been waiting long enough. I hope there's an announcement next E3.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 19, 2014, 05:40:13 am
Wrong. When i joined Sega forums it was back in 2003/4, way after the DC had finished. S

I get bored of your lies and spin .


Who was saying this way back in 2010 ?


" Now people don't need to take mine or TA's word for face value really but only one of us is stating facts that anyone here can actually find evidence to back them up. The biggest one being Sega Europe made a press release about SHENMUE 3.  The one if you trust kikizio who has inside knowledge about sega and have been invited to sega japan on more than one occassion but have ties with many of the employees and ex employess there as well. Or the fact that several ex employees stated that a third game did exist and so on.Now until someone clearly shows evidence that SHENMUE doesn't exist, instead of some quick hand comment or quote  out of context, until someone can quote Yu saying we never made SHENMUE 3 instead of we got no plans for a third game making it ambigous than i suggest that person will shut up instead of turning this forum into "the world according to TA site and everyone else knows jack shit"





Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 19, 2014, 05:46:34 am
I get bored of your lies and spin .


Who was saying this way back in 2010 ?


" Now people don't need to take mine or TA's word for face value really but only one of us is stating facts that anyone here can actually find evidence to back them up. The biggest one being Sega Europe made a press release about SHENMUE 3.  The one if you trust kikizio who has inside knowledge about sega and have been invited to sega japan on more than one occassion but have ties with many of the employees and ex employess there as well. Or the fact that several ex employees stated that a third game did exist and so on.Now until someone clearly shows evidence that SHENMUE doesn't exist, instead of some quick hand comment or quote  out of context, until someone can quote Yu saying we never made SHENMUE 3 instead of we got no plans for a third game making it ambigous than i suggest that person will shut up instead of turning this forum into "the world according to TA site and everyone else knows jack shit"

So where does that say in that quote that the game was still being made? Where does it say it was being made for DC? Your using a quote that was an argument whether the game had started any development which was always the argument. You said it wasn't i said it was. Now you're trying to take something out of context and not even linking wherever it came from either. Not suprising really. That desperate to spin something in order to win an argument....
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 19, 2014, 09:03:56 am

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Nope sorry, Sega didn't spend 70 million on a 4 disc game. it goes to show how little understanding you have for the industry. no suprise there then.

 Now people don't need to take mine or TA's word for face value really but only one of us is stating facts that anyone here can actually find evidence to back them up. The biggest one being Sega Europe made a press release about SHENMUE 3.  The one if you trust kikizio who has inside knowledge about sega and have been invited to sega japan on more than one occassion but have ties with many of the employees and ex employess there as well. Or the fact that several ex employees stated that a third game did exist and so on.

Now until someone clearly shows evidence that SHENMUE doesn't exist, instead of some quick hand comment or quote  out of context, until someone can quote Yu saying we never made SHENMUE 3 instead of we got no plans for a third game making it ambigous than i suggest that person will shut up instead of turning this forum into "the world according to TA site and everyone else knows jack shit."


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Nope sorry, Sega didn't spend 70 million on a 4 disc game. it goes to show how little understanding you have for the industry. no suprise there then.

 Now people don't need to take mine or TA's word for face value really but only one of us is stating facts that anyone here can actually find evidence to back them up. The biggest one being Sega Europe made a press release about SHENMUE 3.  The one if you trust kikizio who has inside knowledge about sega and have been invited to sega japan on more than one occassion but have ties with many of the employees and ex employess there as well. Or the fact that several ex employees stated that a third game did exist and so on.

Now until someone clearly shows evidence that SHENMUE doesn't exist, instead of some quick hand comment or quote  out of context, until someone can quote Yu saying we never made SHENMUE 3 instead of we got no plans for a third game making it ambigous than i suggest that person will shut up instead of turning this forum into "the world according to TA site and everyone else knows jack shit."


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My words on what? Sorry but still out of context to the discussion. And again where does it say that the game was coming for DC? You still haven't pointed that out. There's also no link so again these words can easily be changed to suit your argument. Especially since 2010 isn't that long ago. Do you take everyone here for idiots that showing them an offline quote that doesn't mention me saying the game was being made or that it was coming for DC proves your point?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on June 19, 2014, 05:48:31 pm
SEGA was just starting to develope as a third party gaming company in 2003 & 2004. Most SEGA fans were wanting Shenmue III back then, and at least 30% of them still want a next generation Shenmue game. Probably more than that. Would you like a better link? Here are three:
 
http://www.ps3news.com/console-news/sega-considers-shenmue-iii-options-trade-exclusivity-for-funds/ (http://www.ps3news.com/console-news/sega-considers-shenmue-iii-options-trade-exclusivity-for-funds/)
 
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/205541/Yu_Suzuki_revisits_Shenmue_in_GDC_2014_Classic_Game_Postmortem.php (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/205541/Yu_Suzuki_revisits_Shenmue_in_GDC_2014_Classic_Game_Postmortem.php)
 
http://www.gamesradar.com/shenmue-3-review/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/shenmue-3-review/)
 
The links that I provided were from actual news websites. Shenmue III would be impossible not to make. The game has to be made. It WILL happen sometime in the current generation.
 
It will be the best addition to the entire Shenmue franchise.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 19, 2014, 07:29:11 pm
Okay dude... the GamesRader link is an April Fool's joke. The PS3 News article is from 228 weeks ago, so I think it's safe to say that none of the console manufacturers stepped up to fund Shenmue 3 in return for console exclusivity. And the Gamasutra article is just a recap of the GDC postmortem, which was a cool event but was focused on looking back at the development of the first game in the series.

It's safe to say Yu Suzuki wants to continue the series and is looking for a way to finance it. That's all we really know. I personally think it's best to be even-keeled about it all, not get too hyped up about it, and just wait and see what happens. If there's ever a crowdfunding opportunity, that'll be the time to get involved, take out a second mortgage on your home and start planning a major heist to finance the game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 20, 2014, 05:59:52 am
SEGA was just starting to develope as a third party gaming company in 2003 & 2004. Most SEGA fans were wanting Shenmue III back then, and at least 30% of them still want a next generation Shenmue game. Probably more than that. Would you like a better link? Here are three:
 
http://www.ps3news.com/console-news/sega-considers-shenmue-iii-options-trade-exclusivity-for-funds/ (http://www.ps3news.com/console-news/sega-considers-shenmue-iii-options-trade-exclusivity-for-funds/)
 
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/205541/Yu_Suzuki_revisits_Shenmue_in_GDC_2014_Classic_Game_Postmortem.php (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/205541/Yu_Suzuki_revisits_Shenmue_in_GDC_2014_Classic_Game_Postmortem.php)
 
http://www.gamesradar.com/shenmue-3-review/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/shenmue-3-review/)
 
The links that I provided were from actual news websites. Shenmue III would be impossible not to make. The game has to be made. It WILL happen sometime in the current generation.
 
It will be the best addition to the entire Shenmue franchise.

At that time there was an announcement from Sega Europe that SHENMUE 3 would be coming. There was also rumblings that some work had started on SHENMUE 3. It was always assumed att hat time that this would be coming for Xbox because of the exclusive deal with the sequel. Unfortunatly years later someone like TA tried to rewrite history and stated that Sega never started anything on the game and never announced it. Also the fact that they put 70 million into a 4 disc game which Sega didn't do. That official announcement was one of many things i used to show him that what he was saying wasn't true.  The last quote which he can't provide a link to or even state where i supposed to say it was made for the DC or made at all is just another example in trying to strenthen his case about his stance on the game.

Point is Sega made Shenmue and had all the assets needed to complete the series. Took that assets/engine to create the first two games and eventually SHENMUE ONLINE. They did start development on the 3rd game but never got beyond stage1 pre planning /development.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 20, 2014, 06:42:20 am
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My words on what? Sorry but still out of context to the discussion.


Shenmue III back in 2010 . Some us told you then that little of Shenmue 3 had been developed (even on the DC ) and that the chances of any new Shenmue game on the consoles very small
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 20, 2014, 07:08:27 am

Shenmue III back in 2010 . Some us told you then that little of Shenmue 3 had been developed (even on the DC ) and that the chances of any new Shenmue game on the consoles very small

Again on what. You have a quote that doesn't MENTION me saying anything on when the game was developed, that  i said it was made for DC or anything else. So if you are going to use something against me link to the actual thread instead of copy and pasting something that doesn't even refer to what you are talking about.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on June 26, 2014, 12:09:21 pm
1.  Shenmue is not a franchise, it is a series, a story, saga, etc. That is a corperate word.

2. Franchise means to say, how we use it. Meaning we make toys, toothpaste, glow pens, vibrators, candy.....Bomb-omb candy anyone? How about an EggoStraberry Salad with Matic magic matinee.

3. It does not matter how vast Shenmue 3 is, this is not 2000, or whenever it was released. That was back then, I would just like to see an high-profile usage of the game itself, without the coloring.

4. Speaking of coloring, Ryu to everybody else coloring is wrong. Just because he is East Asian, doesn't mean he will be the most yellowist thing. This is my response for the mock up, of the game.
Everybody needs more coloring.......more 1980's or 1990's coloring, not the coloring of bland photogenic shit r-tard coloring. I am not buying this Shenmue if Ryu is not in the correct timeline and he looks like he went to a detanning place. One thing I love about the original Shenmue was the vivid colors.

5. I am not a fool for this anymore. I like Shenmue and all, but they better learn their lesson from RE5 and RE6. Where they kinds killed off the point of playing the RE games after six. I hope they do not do anything stupid like morph the characters. Make it impossible to look at or play.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 27, 2014, 04:16:14 am
1.  Shenmue is not a franchise, it is a series, a story, saga, etc. That is a corperate word.

2. Franchise means to say, how we use it. Meaning we make toys, toothpaste, glow pens, vibrators, candy.....Bomb-omb candy anyone? How about an EggoStraberry Salad with Matic magic matinee.



Most companies think of games as a Franchise these days and SHENMUE like it or not was thought of as one when Sega tried to spin off the material in various formats in the noughties. Franchise doesn't just include merchandise in the video game world. RYU GA GOTOKU is a franchise because the game has had several spin offs. As Sonic is. And unless you miss the boat there's quite a few SHENMUE merc out there.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 27, 2014, 11:20:38 am
SHAMMO TRES:

CONFIRMED
https://twitter.com/giargiagames/status/482492528697294848/photo/1


H8rs are BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

etc etc


For real apparently Yu Suzuki himself said 'It's a little joke I made last night'. Yu Suzuki confirmed for God of Trolling 2014.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 27, 2014, 12:22:45 pm
As much as it is just a gag, is this the first we've seen of an official "III" made by Yu?

All the others have been fanmade, but this looks legit. At the very least, he might have old assets he pulls from.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 27, 2014, 12:40:41 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Rfea1Dr.gif)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 27, 2014, 01:35:08 pm
Surely Yu Suzuki must have known that this behaviour is just plain cruel at this stage :p
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 27, 2014, 02:00:24 pm
thinking positively, he has been in the spotlight a lot recently after many years of being quiet and he talks about how much he would like to make Shenmue 3 regularly... And weirdly enough I think recently the series has gained a lot more interest and the game has reached some kind of legendary status...

Maybe he is testing the water, seeing if there is still interest or trying to bait a publisher to give him funding... Well I can only hope.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on June 30, 2014, 09:33:57 am
thinking positively, he has been in the spotlight a lot recently after many years of being quiet and he talks about how much he would like to make Shenmue 3 regularly... And weirdly enough I think recently the series has gained a lot more interest and the game has reached some kind of legendary status...

Maybe he is testing the water, seeing if there is still interest or trying to bait a publisher to give him funding... Well I can only hope.

I'm sure if that's happening Sega would license the game out. I mean that's really been the real reason why SHENMUE sequels has stalled because they wanted the game as an exclusive for a system and share the costs mainly marketing etc between them. Yu still has enough respect that if that was the case they would give it out, they did it before with SHENMUE and with VF on mobile. But i'd expect Sega would want a big cut since they own the SHENMUE assets and they have the code that Yu would need to build any new game from.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on July 01, 2014, 10:26:38 am
What's interesting about that event in Spain last week, aside from the first time we've seen a III logo from Yu Suzuki himself, is that he stated publicly for the first time that he wants to make Shenmue III and Shenmue IV to finish the story.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: inthesky on July 01, 2014, 02:07:56 pm
Hasn't he said that he wants to make Shenmue III several times in the past? The talk about an episodic format is something I particularly remember from the past.

But I don't remember hearing anything about a fourth game. I would think it's not in his interest to make a fourth one, if a third one does get the go-ahead.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on July 01, 2014, 02:30:16 pm
Hasn't he said that he wants to make Shenmue III several times in the past? The talk about an episodic format is something I particularly remember from the past.

But I don't remember hearing anything about a fourth game. I would think it's not in his interest to make a fourth one, if a third one does get the go-ahead.

Something I read regarding all this recent stuff had him mentioning there'd have to be a fourth game since there is so much left. Who knows what would actually happen though...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on July 01, 2014, 02:47:42 pm
Most companies think of games as a Franchise these days and SHENMUE like it or not was thought of as one when Sega tried to spin off the material in various formats in the noughties. Franchise doesn't just include merchandise in the video game world. RYU GA GOTOKU is a franchise because the game has had several spin offs. As Sonic is. And unless you miss the boat there's quite a few SHENMUE merc out there.

Your not really understanding the marketing and advertisement procedures of videogames ( or any other products ). When the N64 debuted, Miyamoto started to come out of the closet ( not that one ), all the attention was focused on him. When in truth the N64 was created by former SGI employees. The N64 unit itself was an westerner technology. Why was it Miyamoto, showing his face this time around? Because people became in love with Japanese culture to the point, where seeing his face was not a shocker to the end consumer. That is why. The second reason is that game consumers started to respect the product, as artworks, and creativity next to films. More importantly, if the end consumer knew who really made the N64, they might have had problems.

Breaking the first rule of products. Never make your product represent you. Why? Because people will have issues ( tangents as Senn and SEGA forums ), with the person behind the product. Political and racial issues.

This was done a second time. Right now the game world is being open to consumers about business matters, why? Because they want to make the consumer feel they are just as important as well. Does the president and his cabinet controls what the programmer, art director, and writer does??? Chances are no. These corporate people do nothing at all, and these corporate words are pointless to the actual product. Look at OCP, when we see Robocop, do we see the people behind OCP, or only OCP??? When we see Robocop, do we see the directors, writers, producers, and studio and their private lives? Does it matter what kind of person you are giving your money too. Would that enterprising give a job to your brother, father, or sister, mother? I say breaking this rule, is not something a person should do.



Again the word franchise. A franchise means that Robocop can be a bowl of Ramen, an toy, an toilet, or even an camera device. To break away the focus from the actual product "Robocop" and focus directly on the company/corporation and do it, in a positive light, is the greatest thing a film studio wants from people. For videogame companies it is also a great thing for them, because it draws attention from the real people behind the product, as well as their ultimate goal. To sell as much fan-products to the consumer.

However we are talking about the actual product itself. Not any products at all. When a representative of a game company, or game comes out and uses the word FRANCHISE. They are disposition you, from the product and what it really is. They are trying to sell you something, that has nothing to do with the product at all, and call it the same product.

So why is that bad for us? Well, remember Megaman????? Remember how great it was to talk about the product itself. Just by saying the words, it makes you feel happy. Megaman....... Your mind if flooded with all the awesome game-play from all the different games. It never feels wrong to think about Megaman.

Now imagine, if Capcom just came out, and started calling Megaman a franchise, and made a couple of movies, animations, boardgames, but not one single game??? In a nutshell they have just swept Megaman under the rug, and made a bunch of cheap products, meant for the fans. I mean oh look Megaman drinking mug, I gots to have it. However that is not megaman at all. Pretty much done the same thing to religion, by selling crucifixions, and statues. I do not want to idolize megaman, or wear little Megaman buttons on my shirt. I want to play Megaman dammit.

Like right now, they made a comic. However that is not Megaman, and is just something fun to read. Then if they made a movie, again not megaman, but fun to see. Same with an megaman drink. Not megaman, but fun to drink. This means a person could be selling Megaman drinks for eternity, and not one Megaman game will ever be made again.

Doremon ( if you know him ), is doing this right now. The original comics, are long gone, and all is left is the revision of the animation, and a bunch of merchandise, that is mostly seen being sold in China. Speaking of Chinese, the first fictional character you will see from China is Mickey mouse.
So many people over their grewed up with Mickey, and is the longest running, and respected ficitional character being sold, to all kinds of people. Heck even I have a Mickey Merchandise, everyone does. However the original cartoons, since Steam Boat Willy, to the ABC family hours, are all gone now. Their hasn't been any new Mickey invention.

Here is a question? Is Shenmue = Mickey = Megaman ??? Do you feel comfortable with Shenmue = Mickey = Megaman???? Is that an good thing?

When we as humans, purchase these things, do we think about the backstabbing corporations. Better yet the people who are inside, that are working against the fictional material we love and hold dear to us, as if it was religious texts. Imagine all the monsters who made money, doing work, related to Pokemon. A ( ficitonal media ) videogame, and now ( franchise ), dolls, books, toys, etc. Imagine what they really think about the people who actually care about the material itself.

In my opinion, video game makers, needs to avoid using corporate words, and respect their products. I remember when we had Bart Simpson, and Sonic Hedgehog floats on tv, during Thanksgiving. I really love those things, because I love the fictional stories, and creative elements of those things. If a parent was to even hear those corporate words, being used at that point in time. I am doubtfully they would have even allowed their children ( us ) to purchase those products.

Do not bring the boardroom, to the public.

TO MAKE THINGS WORST, JUST TO MAKE THINGS WORST.

Because we have erected invisible barriers of globalism. When you do something, like Shenmue, everybody around you is against you. SEGA is in Japan, and it has one group of people, and everybody is everybodies business. The same could be said about the related nations near it.

However for videogames this openess works, without realizing the damage we support.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on July 01, 2014, 07:17:37 pm
Hasn't he said that he wants to make Shenmue III several times in the past? The talk about an episodic format is something I particularly remember from the past.

But I don't remember hearing anything about a fourth game. I would think it's not in his interest to make a fourth one, if a third one does get the go-ahead.

There is a lot of speculation about this, and some of the original plans may have changed, but Shenmue consists of chapters. The first game consists of Chapter 1, while Shenmue II consists of Chapters 3-5 IIRC. (Chapter 2, which told the story of Ryo's journey by sea from Japan to Hong Kong, was omitted from the games). At various times, the entire Shenmue story has been described as being from 11 to 16 chapters total. Sounds like Suzuki has a plan to divide the remaining chapters between two more games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on July 02, 2014, 04:22:45 am
At various times, the entire Shenmue story has been described as being from 11 to 16 chapters total. Sounds like Suzuki has a plan to divide the remaining chapters between two more games.

That was the plan at one stage in 1998 , but when SEGA Japan came out and said Shenmue would now be chapter based game, their stock price got smashed to bits . So that plan was dropped
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on July 02, 2014, 11:27:38 am
Your not really understanding the marketing and advertisement procedures of videogames ( or any other products ). When the N64 debuted, Miyamoto started to come out of the closet ( not that one ), all the attention was focused on him. When in truth the N64 was created by former SGI employees. The N64 unit itself was an westerner technology. Why was it Miyamoto, showing his face this time around? Because people became in love with Japanese culture to the point, where seeing his face was not a shocker to the end consumer. That is why. The second reason is that game consumers started to respect the product, as artworks, and creativity next to films. More importantly, if the end consumer knew who really made the N64, they might have had problems.

Breaking the first rule of products. Never make your product represent you. Why? Because people will have issues ( tangents as Senn and SEGA forums ), with the person behind the product. Political and racial issues.

This was done a second time. Right now the game world is being open to consumers about business matters, why? Because they want to make the consumer feel they are just as important as well. Does the president and his cabinet controls what the programmer, art director, and writer does??? Chances are no. These corporate people do nothing at all, and these corporate words are pointless to the actual product. Look at OCP, when we see Robocop, do we see the people behind OCP, or only OCP??? When we see Robocop, do we see the directors, writers, producers, and studio and their private lives? Does it matter what kind of person you are giving your money too. Would that enterprising give a job to your brother, father, or sister, mother? I say breaking this rule, is not something a person should do.



Again the word franchise. A franchise means that Robocop can be a bowl of Ramen, an toy, an toilet, or even an camera device. To break away the focus from the actual product "Robocop" and focus directly on the company/corporation and do it, in a positive light, is the greatest thing a film studio wants from people. For videogame companies it is also a great thing for them, because it draws attention from the real people behind the product, as well as their ultimate goal. To sell as much fan-products to the consumer.

However we are talking about the actual product itself. Not any products at all. When a representative of a game company, or game comes out and uses the word FRANCHISE. They are disposition you, from the product and what it really is. They are trying to sell you something, that has nothing to do with the product at all, and call it the same product.

So why is that bad for us? Well, remember Megaman? ??? ? Remember how great it was to talk about the product itself. Just by saying the words, it makes you feel happy. Megaman....... Your mind if flooded with all the awesome game-play from all the different games. It never feels wrong to think about Megaman.

Now imagine, if Capcom just came out, and started calling Megaman a franchise, and made a couple of movies, animations, boardgames, but not one single game??? In a nutshell they have just swept Megaman under the rug, and made a bunch of cheap products, meant for the fans. I mean oh look Megaman drinking mug, I gots to have it. However that is not megaman at all. Pretty much done the same thing to religion, by selling crucifixions, and statues. I do not want to idolize megaman, or wear little Megaman buttons on my shirt. I want to play Megaman dammit.

Like right now, they made a comic. However that is not Megaman, and is just something fun to read. Then if they made a movie, again not megaman, but fun to see. Same with an megaman drink. Not megaman, but fun to drink. This means a person could be selling Megaman drinks for eternity, and not one Megaman game will ever be made again.

Doremon ( if you know him ), is doing this right now. The original comics, are long gone, and all is left is the revision of the animation, and a bunch of merchandise, that is mostly seen being sold in China. Speaking of Chinese, the first fictional character you will see from China is Mickey mouse.
So many people over their grewed up with Mickey, and is the longest running, and respected ficitional character being sold, to all kinds of people. Heck even I have a Mickey Merchandise, everyone does. However the original cartoons, since Steam Boat Willy, to the ABC family hours, are all gone now. Their hasn't been any new Mickey invention.

Here is a question? Is Shenmue = Mickey = Megaman ??? Do you feel comfortable with Shenmue = Mickey = Megaman? ??? Is that an good thing?

When we as humans, purchase these things, do we think about the backstabbing corporations. Better yet the people who are inside, that are working against the fictional material we love and hold dear to us, as if it was religious texts. Imagine all the monsters who made money, doing work, related to Pokemon. A ( ficitonal media ) videogame, and now ( franchise ), dolls, books, toys, etc. Imagine what they really think about the people who actually care about the material itself.

In my opinion, video game makers, needs to avoid using corporate words, and respect their products. I remember when we had Bart Simpson, and Sonic Hedgehog floats on tv, during Thanksgiving. I really love those things, because I love the fictional stories, and creative elements of those things. If a parent was to even hear those corporate words, being used at that point in time. I am doubtfully they would have even allowed their children ( us ) to purchase those products.

Do not bring the boardroom, to the public.

TO MAKE THINGS WORST, JUST TO MAKE THINGS WORST.

Because we have erected invisible barriers of globalism. When you do something, like Shenmue, everybody around you is against you. SEGA is in Japan, and it has one group of people, and everybody is everybodies business. The same could be said about the related nations near it.

However for videogames this openess works, without realizing the damage we support.


One. You're an idiot
Two. I understand the market and the corporate side of things more than you're little mind will be able to comprehend.
Three.
Don't talk to me about Doremon i was watching the bloody thing way before you even knew what doreomon was let alone anime. And i mean the proper Doremon not this watered down baloony you have now.
Four.
It really doesn't matter what you think or agree with, ALL video game companies will think like that because a franchise keeps the machine going and makes them more money. Which at the end of the day is what a company like Sega is in for. People who make the games? different story but a company like Sega that bankrolls games and the people who run it, they see many of their products as a potential franchise. Sega alone in the last decade launched 8 video game franchises that had an anime, manga and toy and model kit to go with it, all at the same time. So its obvious on how they are operating.
Five. Do some research on your subject before you come to me with such nonsense again.  And remember were talking about video games here..not some wishy washy global experiement to control peoples minds, which seems to be the gist of this and other posts you keep swamping the forum with.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on July 03, 2014, 08:19:15 pm
That was the plan at one stage in 1998 , but when SEGA Japan came out and said Shenmue would now be chapter based game, their stock price got smashed to bits . So that plan was dropped

1998 and a few years after: http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/am2/

This was where the famous timeline picture came from, which loosely storyboards the chapters into future games. Yu Suzuki has mentioned there being 9-16 chapters in numerous interviews, including the one from Spain last week, so the idea never really left, it has instead always been the plan.

Regarding stocks, I'm not sure their stock has ever been that high, I remember looking at it back around 2003 and they were around the $5 mark, and today they still are. Where is your source on the stock price plummeting? If it really did, I doubt Shenmue was the sole wrecking ball.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on July 05, 2014, 11:34:11 am
Quote
Regarding stocks, I'm not sure their stock has ever been that high, I remember looking at it back around 2003 and they were around the $5 mark, and today they still are. Where is your source on the stock price plummeting? If it really did, I doubt Shenmue was the sole wrecking ball.


It was reported in the likes of EDGE and Total Control . SEGA stock too a hit on the news that Shenmue was to be in chapters and then it took another hit when news broke that Shenmue was to be delayed and not make it out in 1999 , but in the end SEGA did it
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: nuckles87 on July 05, 2014, 01:32:42 pm
Regarding SEGA's stock, it reached a high of $19.50 in 2005.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 06, 2014, 10:56:06 am
SHAMMO TRES:

CONFIRMED
https://twitter.com/giargiagames/status/482492528697294848/photo/1


H8rs are BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

etc etc


For real apparently Yu Suzuki himself said 'It's a little joke I made last night'. Yu Suzuki confirmed for God of Trolling 2014.

It seems like it could be another game. I just hope it is Shenmue related.[

1.  Shenmue is not a franchise, it is a series, a story, saga, etc. That is a corperate word.

2. Franchise means to say, how we use it. Meaning we make toys, toothpaste, glow pens, vibrators, candy.....Bomb-omb candy anyone? How about an EggoStraberry Salad with Matic magic matinee.

3. It does not matter how vast Shenmue 3 is, this is not 2000, or whenever it was released. That was back then, I would just like to see an high-profile usage of the game itself, without the coloring.

4. Speaking of coloring, Ryu to everybody else coloring is wrong. Just because he is East Asian, doesn't mean he will be the most yellowist thing. This is my response for the mock up, of the game.
Everybody needs more coloring.......more 1980's or 1990's coloring, not the coloring of bland photogenic shit r-tard coloring. I am not buying this Shenmue if Ryu is not in the correct timeline and he looks like he went to a detanning place. One thing I love about the original Shenmue was the vivid colors.

5. I am not a fool for this anymore. I like Shenmue and all, but they better learn their lesson from RE5 and RE6. Where they kinds killed off the point of playing the RE games after six. I hope they do not do anything stupid like morph the characters. Make it impossible to look at or play.


#1? #2
What about Shenmue the luchbox? Shenmue the tshirt? Shenmue the doll? Do those not sound like part of a franchise? Maybe they should make Shenmue the toothpaste.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on July 07, 2014, 09:13:44 am
^You even quoted the part where I told you that Yu Suzuki said 'It's all a joke I made up last night for fun'.

The symbol means nothing, there is no Shampoo III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on July 07, 2014, 08:47:57 pm
^You even quoted the part where I told you that Yu Suzuki said 'It's all a joke I made up last night for fun'.

The symbol means nothing, there is no Shampoo III.

I think 3raser was going along with your joke out of sarcasm. As if to say, "Yeah. That's totally real. NOT!" If Shemnue III (not Shampoo III) was released, then it would most likely be announced closer to before E3. Not right after E3. I think there is still a chance that Yu Suzuki could make the game on the current generation of consoles. After all, the main consoles came out last year. Why would he not make it? Would it not cost the same as some other poorly developed Sega game? No. Because we all want it to be better than anything Sega has ever done as a third-party company. Yeah. That was my sarcasm. Shenmue III is the worst Sega fan idea. If it were true, then Sega would have released a Dreamcast II already (about ten years ago). Even if Shenmue III was created, who would remember it or care enough to buy it? This is for bashing my Sports thread so much, 3raser.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on July 09, 2014, 05:43:14 pm
I think 3raser was going along with your joke out of sarcasm. As if to say, "Yeah. That's totally real. NOT!" If Shemnue III (not Shampoo III) was released, then it would most likely be announced closer to before E3. Not right after E3. I think there is still a chance that Yu Suzuki could make the game on the current generation of consoles. After all, the main consoles came out last year. Why would he not make it? Would it not cost the same as some other poorly developed Sega game? No. Because we all want it to be better than anything Sega has ever done as a third-party company. Yeah. That was my sarcasm. Shenmue III is the worst Sega fan idea. If it were true, then Sega would have released a Dreamcast II already (about ten years ago). Even if Shenmue III was created, who would remember it or care enough to buy it? This is for bashing my Sports thread so much, 3raser.
For bashing your sports thread? No. I was not saying that anyone would stop posting after the World Cup. I was just saying that no one cared about tennis. You can talk about tennis if you want. I just think that a tennis thread would be ignored more quickly. You started the sports thread at a bad time. There was already a World Cup thread. That's what people actually cared about at the time you posted it.
Shenmue on the other hand, it is very possible!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/am2/ (http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/am2/)
 
http://t.joystiq.com/all/2014-03-21-yu-suzuki-researching-but-not-committed-to-shenmue-3-kickstar?oswbuild=b0.34&mediaKey=joystiq&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dyu%2Bsuzuki%2Bshenmue%2B3&a%3Dresults&MID%3D2500&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joystiq.com%2F2014%2F03%2F21%2Fyu-suzuki-researching-but-not-committed-to-shenmue-3-kickstar%2F&oswts=1404944884791&width=320&height=460&size=small&olcts=1404944885279 (http://t.joystiq.com/all/2014-03-21-yu-suzuki-researching-but-not-committed-to-shenmue-3-kickstar?oswbuild=b0.34&mediaKey=joystiq&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dyu%2Bsuzuki%2Bshenmue%2B3&a%3Dresults&MID%3D2500&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joystiq.com%2F2014%2F03%2F21%2Fyu-suzuki-researching-but-not-committed-to-shenmue-3-kickstar%2F&oswts=1404944884791&width=320&height=460&size=small&olcts=1404944885279)
 
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2014/07/yu_suzuki_im_ready_to_create_shenmue_iii_should_the_right_circumstances_arise (http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2014/07/yu_suzuki_im_ready_to_create_shenmue_iii_should_the_right_circumstances_arise)
 
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-20-yu-suzuki-is-looking-into-kickstarter (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-20-yu-suzuki-is-looking-into-kickstarter)


He did not want to do it at first, then he was thinking about it. Yu Suzuki is now actually WANTING to do it. You can't just say the last link is outdated or an April Fools joke. It's a fact. It's happening, even if you don't want it to.
 
It is now time to give the Sega fans what they really want!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on July 26, 2014, 05:06:10 pm
#1? #2
What about Shenmue the luchbox? Shenmue the tshirt? Shenmue the doll? Do those not sound like part of a franchise? Maybe they should make Shenmue the toothpaste.

If large companies can create something as controversial as "Black Man's Toothpaste", then they could actually make Shenmue Toothpaste, so it's not as crazy as it sounds. Maybe we should protest for them to make that instead of a new Shenmue game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on July 27, 2014, 09:22:08 am
The thing is in a franchise, a person who has nothing to do with the product at all could be making money legally and does not praise the product asides for the money from it. Like that Final Fantasy VII guy who kept going on and on about how FF has this and that. It is just insane to see.

I will admit I am being a two faced about the subject, seeing how I have many fanstub, idols, and little propaganda reminders of products I enjoy.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on July 27, 2014, 01:48:36 pm
^It was only a joke.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 03, 2014, 11:40:46 am
A new installment to Shenmue was announced a long time ago. It was just cancelled. Why can't Sega just HD polish the data we all know is saved somewhere, then just make it digital download? I mean, at least people would stop debating if they will ever make it or not...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: RegalSin on August 03, 2014, 05:34:12 pm
1. HD is an option not for everybody. As with VCD back in the 1990's for US market

2. Shenmue is SEGA's baby. Their pride and joy. It can not fail. It represents the apex of what could be achieved with 3d games, as well as the highest point in Original-SEGA ( the SEGA we all know and love ) point in life. Releasing Shenmue on another console is like if Nintendo started to port their games. They have to be very careful about how this release is carried out.

3. If they release it as a download it would be a slap in the face to the fans and consumers. They would not be the ones managing the data as well. It might as well end up on an horror show like the Auyogahhh thingy.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 10, 2014, 07:54:20 pm
You were saying that you wanted a new console before a new Shenmue, correct? Not possible. It never will happen. Sega can not afford it. They can't even afford to make good games anymore. I support Sega for the games they used to make. The games before they decided to be a third party company. Do I think it would be nice to see a Shenmue III from Sega? Yes. I would play it. Do I think it is a good idea for Sega? Yes and no. Mostly no because they need both more money and better approval from Mr. Suzuki.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 11, 2014, 05:29:40 am
You were saying that you wanted a new console before a new Shenmue, correct? Not possible. It never will happen. Sega can not afford it. They can't even afford to make good games anymore. I support Sega for the games they used to make. The games before they decided to be a third party company. Do I think it would be nice to see a Shenmue III from Sega? Yes. I would play it. Do I think it is a good idea for Sega? Yes and no. Mostly no because they need both more money and better approval from Mr. Suzuki.

Technically Sega can afford to create a games console. They never stopped creating hardware, that's a western misconception. They just being used for the arcade market and the sega toys market. But in this climate its unwise to create a games system for homes. And SHENMUE is stopped because of game politics not that they can't afford to make it but the concern over costs and returns of that investment.And no Sega doesn't need Suzuki's approval to carry on with the title. They didn't ask him to use Ryo for SONIC AND SEGA ALL STARS RACING.It was AM2's call. And they ultimately do what the management wants.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 11, 2014, 04:16:47 pm
Technically Sega can afford to create a games console. They never stopped creating hardware, that's a western misconception. They just being used for the arcade market and the sega toys market. But in this climate its unwise to create a games system for homes. And SHENMUE is stopped because of game politics not that they can't afford to make it but the concern over costs and returns of that investment.And no Sega doesn't need Suzuki's approval to carry on with the title. They didn't ask him to use Ryo for SONIC AND SEGA ALL STARS RACING.It was AM2's call. And they ultimately do what the management wants.
Proof?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on August 11, 2014, 09:29:32 pm
Proof of what?

Sega still makes hardware. You can google that. The NU was released less than a year ago. That's on Wikipedia.

They have about 5 billion in assets, 1.3 billion cash on hand, about 850 million in debt. I suppose for comparison, they've roughly the assets as EA games. Obviously not as big as Nintendo or Activision. Certainly not Sony or MS. You can get all that from a basic investing website.

Sega blew a solid 500 mill developing and marketing the Dreamcast over the course of about two years (between start of dev in 97 and 9/9/99)- but it was state of the art and was also a very successful arcade board. I have no idea how much a modern console would cost to make, but there really isn't a reason they wouldn't be able to just slap an arcade board in a sleek black box with a DVD drive or something and throw us the old six button. They could make a new console - it just would not be worth it for them (or us probably). If we assume Sega spends 500 million develop the console and then I guess about 200 mill to market it for launch in the USA and Japan, maybe 100 mill in Europe. They'd blow through the bank account, definitely, but it is technically doable. Sega's much bigger than they were in 2000 you know.

You don't think Sega had 50 -100 mill in the bank for part 3? How broke do you think the company is? Joe's not saying they would make a return on the investment, he is saying they have the cash to do it.

Shenmue is Sega's property, not Yu's.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 12, 2014, 09:38:40 pm
I wanted proof of the latter. Yu Suzuki writes the stories of Shenmue, so Sega owns it? If they do, then what's the problem with making the game? I guess they just can't afford it. Oh wait! That's right! You basically said they were the richest company in the world. I suppose now we can expect a new console, a new Sonic Adventure game, and a new Shenmue game. That's what ALL, I repeat, ALL of the Sega fans want.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 13, 2014, 05:12:28 am
I wanted proof of the latter. Yu Suzuki writes the stories of Shenmue, so Sega owns it? If they do, then what's the problem with making the game? I guess they just can't afford it. Oh wait! That's right! You basically said they were the richest company in the world. I suppose now we can expect a new console, a new Sonic Adventure game, and a new Shenmue game. That's what ALL, I repeat, ALL of the Sega fans want.

Spock, stop wasting everyone's time. Start educating yourself on game properties and how it works and the legalities involved. Stop living in this wishy washy world where things can be done by the click of your hands. We in this forum has had this discussion on SHENMUE for countless times to go before you came and more likely will have it after you leave.  To most of us were re trending old ground here. The situation isn't going to change just because you can't accept the realities of who owns SHENMUE, The politics involved in making SHENMUE and everything else.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on August 13, 2014, 08:24:43 am
I wanted proof of the latter. Yu Suzuki writes the stories of Shenmue, so Sega owns it? If they do, then what's the problem with making the game? I guess they just can't afford it. Oh wait! That's right! You basically said they were the richest company in the world. I suppose now we can expect a new console, a new Sonic Adventure game, and a new Shenmue game. That's what ALL, I repeat, ALL of the Sega fans want.

Ever think they only have all that money because they DON'T make those things? They have money because they make mobile phone games that scam old people and kids out of micro-transactions.
Getting rich, $0.99 at a time!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on August 13, 2014, 09:46:46 am
I wanted proof of the latter. Yu Suzuki writes the stories of Shenmue, so Sega owns it? If they do, then what's the problem with making the game? I guess they just can't afford it. Oh wait! That's right! You basically said they were the richest company in the world. I suppose now we can expect a new console, a new Sonic Adventure game, and a new Shenmue game. That's what ALL, I repeat, ALL of the Sega fans want.

Well, Shenmue is Sega's Trademark. We'll start with that very basic and easy fact. They own the rights because they paid for the game. Yu Suzuki doesn't own Shenmue any more than Ridley Scott owns Alien.

Actually, here's a fun article from 2012 from Eurogamer. In it, Suzuki discusses how he might go about getting the rights to Shenmue from Sega for his YSNet studio. That took ten seconds on google.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-04-suzuki-we-can-obtain-shenmue-license-from-sega (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-04-suzuki-we-can-obtain-shenmue-license-from-sega)

The problem with making the game, Spock, is that they're a company whose job it is to make money for themselves and their stockholders. Shenmue did not make money on the Dreamcast. It most certainly will not make money now. It would be stupid to make the game, to make a new Dreamcast, to make a Skies of Arcadia, to make a new Jet Set Radio and so on. They've toyed around with all those ideas before (except a new console - that's never been on the table, to my knowledge), and the money just isn't there to be made.

Outside a very vocal group of people, no one gives a shit. A new Shenmue would be trashed in the press and would bomb. Hard. And people would be mad at Sega for "ruining" the franchise.

That's all there is to it.

Incidentally, your sarcasm doesn't become you.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 13, 2014, 12:15:04 pm
Well, Shenmue is Sega's Trademark. We'll start with that very basic and easy fact. They own the rights because they paid for the game. Yu Suzuki doesn't own Shenmue any more than Ridley Scott owns Alien.

Actually, here's a fun article from 2012 from Eurogamer. In it, Suzuki discusses how he might go about getting the rights to Shenmue from Sega for his YSNet studio. That took ten seconds on google.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-04-suzuki-we-can-obtain-shenmue-license-from-sega (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-04-suzuki-we-can-obtain-shenmue-license-from-sega)

The problem with making the game, Spock, is that they're a company whose job it is to make money for themselves and their stockholders. Shenmue did not make money on the Dreamcast. It most certainly will not make money now. It would be stupid to make the game, to make a new Dreamcast, to make a Skies of Arcadia, to make a new Jet Set Radio and so on. They've toyed around with all those ideas before (except a new console - that's never been on the table, to my knowledge), and the money just isn't there to be made.

Outside a very vocal group of people, no one gives a shit. A new Shenmue would be trashed in the press and would bomb. Hard. And people would be mad at Sega for "ruining" the franchise.

That's all there is to it.

Incidentally, your sarcasm doesn't become you.

Exactly. Well done JB for putting him straight. We seem to have a charge of "know it all zealots" led by TA lately who is intent of derailing the thread and  insisting they want this evidence and that..gimme a break. When you giver it to them they're broadcast it all over the internet if its information that isn't meant to be  in the public eye and get people into trouble..while others like this SHENMUE ownership debate isn't worth it since its bloody common knowledge. Really i give up on the zealots who have invaded sega fandom and come here making stupid and indiotic statements. I really do.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on August 13, 2014, 12:26:16 pm
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Exactly. Well done JB for putting him straight. We seem to have a charge of "know it all zealots" led by TA lately who is intent of derailing the thread and  insisting they want this evidence and that..gimme a break.


Excuse me ? You're the one giving people false hope about Shenmue III and Yu Suzuki 3 other SEGA games. I've been saying for years there's next to no hope for Shenmue III how little of the game was even done on the DC  and how Yu Suzuki was semi retired at SEGA (way back in the Nerds days) - Claims which you've rubbished .


Again like the 32X and the Saturn- You're the one changing tune , yet again
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 14, 2014, 05:09:50 am

Excuse me ? You're the one giving people false hope about Shenmue III and Yu Suzuki 3 other SEGA games. I've been saying for years there's next to no hope for Shenmue III how little of the game was even done on the DC  and how Yu Suzuki was semi retired at SEGA (way back in the Nerds days) - Claims which you've rubbished .


Again like the 32X and the Saturn- You're the one changing tune , yet again

Not really since i was talkinga bout it at the period when it was a possibility. Trying to use posts years later that make no reference of me saying its still coming without any viable link, won't change that fact.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on August 14, 2014, 05:48:25 am
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Not really since i was talkinga bout it at the period when it was a possibility.


Its a possibilty now . The simple facts are and it hasn't change at all for years ago. Is is an IP that didn't sell well , lost money and where the 3rd game would be a massive risk and undertaking .


Now the only one that's changed their tune over Shenmue III over the years is you .
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 14, 2014, 06:21:22 am

Its a possibilty now . The simple facts are and it hasn't change at all for years ago. Is is an IP that didn't sell well , lost money and where the 3rd game would be a massive risk and undertaking .


Now the only one that's changed their tune over Shenmue III over the years is you .

One. The guy asking the question wasn't talking about the game coming back he was talking about the rights to the game.
B the postion of the game has changed down the years so you got that wrong.
third:i have said that they had started on the game back in 2003. That hasn't changed.It exists in one form. Quite different to saying its going to come out. So stop you frigging spinning and score pointing. I don't change my position you do.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on August 14, 2014, 06:53:13 am
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That hasn't changed.It exists in one form


Yeah the script and in document form . Game: very little of game was ever done 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 14, 2014, 08:42:47 am

Yeah the script and in document form . Game: very little of game was ever done 

That's where we differ. But then you said the game was never announced period.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on August 14, 2014, 09:13:00 am
That's where we differ. But then you said the game was never announced period.

No . I said little of the game was ever done and one can look at these pages and use waybackwhen.com to see my posts in the old SEGA nerds days . Everyone will know back then what you said when I dare to make out Yu Suzuki was semi retired at SEGA too . 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 14, 2014, 10:30:44 am
No . I said little of the game was ever done and one can look at these pages and use waybackwhen.com to see my posts in the old SEGA nerds days . Everyone will know back then what you said when I dare to make out Yu Suzuki was semi retired at SEGA too . 

I never said the game was coming out only that the game had some development ie more than just a script. And you know it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 15, 2014, 03:39:51 pm
Spock, stop wasting everyone's time. Start educating yourself on game properties and how it works and the legalities involved. Stop living in this wishy washy world where things can be done by the click of your hands. We in this forum has had this discussion on SHENMUE for countless times to go before you came and more likely will have it after you leave.  To most of us were re trending old ground here. The situation isn't going to change just because you can't accept the realities of who owns SHENMUE, The politics involved in making SHENMUE and everything else.
No. Actually, I have been following this topic ever since it started. That was far before I joined this website. I have the right to post in this thread if I want to. Just as much as you. Why do you have a problem with me posting in it? Is it because my opinion is different than yours? I'm not trying to stir anything. I am simply trying to be realistic.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 16, 2014, 06:43:16 am
No. Actually, I have been following this topic ever since it started. That was far before I joined this website. I have the right to post in this thread if I want to. Just as much as you. Why do you have a problem with me posting in it? Is it because my opinion is different than yours? I'm not trying to stir anything. I am simply trying to be realistic.

I never said you didn't have a right. But do some research on the subject before commenting on it or accusing other members that they have no idea on what they are talkng about. SHENMUE has been done to death in this forum for one thing. You aren't saying anything that others didn't say before and again the fact you think Suzuki owns SHENMUE and sega needs his permission to make it is a bit silly. Which is why i doubt you have been here before since then or you would have known that before coming here.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 16, 2014, 09:05:07 am
I never said you didn't have a right. But do some research on the subject before commenting on it or accusing other members that they have no idea on what they are talkng about. SHENMUE has been done to death in this forum for one thing. You aren't saying anything that others didn't say before and again the fact you think Suzuki owns SHENMUE and sega needs his permission to make it is a bit silly. Which is why i doubt you have been here before since then or you would have known that before coming here.
Even if Shenmue III was made, you would not want it. The second game was made twelve years ago. That's as if someone made Spider-Man 4 with Toby Maguire next year. I mean Shenmue was made for a mobile phone game. There would also be way too much competition from Sleeping Dogs to make the game. It would be like how the Dreamcast could not compete with the PS2 all over again. This would mean by far that Sega would not have enough people buying it. Sega does not make too many games centered towards adults (except for the low budget Alien series that hardly anyone likes). Sega is now a children based company. Shenmue III would be ruined if they made it. Sorry to crush your dreams. That's just how it is.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on August 16, 2014, 11:49:55 am
The Alien games aren't low budget. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 16, 2014, 01:34:15 pm
The Alien games aren't low budget. 
Alien: Isolation had glitches galore, unbalanced gameplay, terrible A.I. and low quality graphics in the single-player game as well as a crude and poorly implemented multiplayer selection. It also didn't even work half the time. If Sega was unable to produce a better game, then that means either they were too lazy to work and make it better or they could not afford to program it. Therefore, it is a low budget series. That's not really the main point I am trying to make though. This is about Shenmue III and how it will never happen.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 17, 2014, 08:10:39 am
Spock, I think you meant Colonial Marines. Isolation ain't out yet.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 17, 2014, 08:36:03 am
Even if Shenmue III was made, you would not want it. The second game was made twelve years ago. That's as if someone made Spider-Man 4 with Toby Maguire next year. I mean Shenmue was made for a mobile phone game. There would also be way too much competition from Sleeping Dogs to make the game. It would be like how the Dreamcast could not compete with the PS2 all over again. This would mean by far that Sega would not have enough people buying it. Sega does not make too many games centered towards adults (except for the low budget Alien series that hardly anyone likes). Sega is now a children based company. Shenmue III would be ruined if they made it. Sorry to crush your dreams. That's just how it is.

Who's dreaming? You're the one who is going on about Yu Suzuki making the title not me. Hardly my dreams being crushed at all.
Second..Sega is hardly a children's company..never really has been. Its a japanese international megacorp that caters to all markets in the electronic entertainment field.
Third: I wouldn't really call SHENMUE an adult game either..OVERKILL is more adult than SHENMUE is.
Forth:JB dealt with ALIENS
Fifth...Sega wants to release SHENMUE as an exclusive which is where in lies the problem. They want company support which many aren't willing to give..so it sits on the shelf..
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 17, 2014, 08:38:18 am
Alien: Isolation had glitches galore, unbalanced gameplay, terrible A.I. and low quality graphics in the single-player game as well as a crude and poorly implemented multiplayer selection. It also didn't even work half the time. If Sega was unable to produce a better game, then that means either they were too lazy to work and make it better or they could not afford to program it. Therefore, it is a low budget series. That's not really the main point I am trying to make though. This is about Shenmue III and how it will never happen.
Or the fact that GBX ripped off Sega and spent their money on Borderlands 2 and Duke Nukem..which is what most likely happened...
And compared to the money SHENMUE got in reserch and development and then actually creating the first games..anything Sega makes can be considered low budget...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on August 17, 2014, 11:12:24 am
Alien: Isolation had glitches galore, unbalanced gameplay, terrible A.I. and low quality graphics in the single-player game as well as a crude and poorly implemented multiplayer selection. It also didn't even work half the time. If Sega was unable to produce a better game, then that means either they were too lazy to work and make it better or they could not afford to program it. Therefore, it is a low budget series. That's not really the main point I am trying to make though. This is about Shenmue III and how it will never happen.

Aliens: CM was a well documented money pit. It was not low budget. Gearbox famously swindled Sega to fund Borderlands and Duke Nukem, as Joe said.

Sega hired Gearbox (which had a great reputation in 2008) to make CM, and they had the original team behind AvP develop a new one a few years ago. It's not as though Sega's been hiring anonymous teams for their license. Just a combination of bad luck and malicious intent. Isolation looks fantastic.

 I'm not really sure you know what you're on about. No one thinks Shenmue will happen. What Joe and I are telling you is just that Sega literally has the money to make it happen; they won't because it won't break even and they aren't interested in making a loss.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 18, 2014, 05:38:25 am

 I'm not really sure you know what you're on about. No one thinks Shenmue will happen. What Joe and I are telling you is just that Sega literally has the money to make it happen; they won't because it won't break even and they aren't interested in making a loss.



"No risk Sega" is basically what we call them now in my social circles. Just content on living off the fat (reputation) of old games while making lazy updates of the same titles or just cashing in on certain crazes that happen to be popular in japan. It really won't be long when they become like Bandai and start producing endless licenses as well...all in the safe zone of japan.
Its good that Sega has the money but they obviously don't have the heart which is probably why most of the old guard of Sega designers/developers have left. Sad since there isn't any obvious talent to replace them. Sega at least had five great creators in the form of Suzuki, Ohba, Kodama,Naka, and Hideki Sato the main sega hardware designer, Sega was untouchable..add to the upcomers at that time with Nagoshi,etc etc..Sega clearly would be well ahead of the game if half those people stayed, got their projects or found their creative spark again which they probably wouldn't have lost if the DC didn't lose the way it did. But you have barely that now in Sega. Even if the mobile games that make tones of money is a good thing its not anything that stands out like a lot of Sega software use to do. But that is the problem, the stand out games don't make money and the genric ones do...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on August 18, 2014, 07:44:08 am
Spock, I think you meant Colonial Marines. Isolation ain't out yet.

Spock is from the future. I saw it in that horrible movie with lens flares that everyone loved.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 19, 2014, 04:07:04 am
So this HD fan remake. How long before it is taken down by Srs-Sega?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 19, 2014, 12:01:19 pm
So this HD fan remake. How long before it is taken down by Srs-Sega?

More likely they will end up hiring the guy to help them create their official HD remakes of SHENMUE like they did with the Sonic HD games..if his HD is well received and looks good..
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on August 19, 2014, 06:32:53 pm
Sega could just give him a small team and let them remake the whole thing.. Would be a low investment, and an interesting market probe for Shenmue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 23, 2014, 08:05:50 am
More likely they will end up hiring the guy to help them create their official HD remakes of SHENMUE like they did with the Sonic HD games..if his HD is well received and looks good..
An HD version is already in the process of being made. This is NOT a Shenmue III. It is simply a remake of the first game with slightly better graphics.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/08/18/fan-making-shenmue-hd-remastered/

They can do this. As long as no one makes an entirely different Shenmue game, I think the Shenmue franchise will never be ruined.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 23, 2014, 09:28:58 am
An HD version is already in the process of being made. This is NOT a Shenmue III. It is simply a remake of the first game with slightly better graphics.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/08/18/fan-making-shenmue-hd-remastered/ (http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/08/18/fan-making-shenmue-hd-remastered/)

They can do this. As long as no one makes an entirely different Shenmue game, I think the Shenmue franchise will never be ruined.


I or anybody else never said it was SHENMUE 3. Learn to read for goodness sake.... ::)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on August 27, 2014, 09:50:01 pm
I or anybody else never said it was SHENMUE 3. Learn to read for goodness sake.... ::)
I knew you would assume it was a Shenmue III because I did not think you would be able to read the link I posted. That is why I posted "NOT SHENMUE III."
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on August 30, 2014, 11:32:31 am
I knew you would assume it was a Shenmue III because I did not think you would be able to read the link I posted. That is why I posted "NOT SHENMUE III."

They fall for it everytime.....
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on September 02, 2014, 07:42:50 pm
Sega could just give him a small team and let them remake the whole thing.. Would be a low investment, and an interesting market probe for Shenmue.
Wait... I just realized you said it would be a low investment. Isn't the idea to have a higher investment, so that Sega could make more money? I think that Shenmue is a terrible franchise to revive for multiple reasons that I have previously discussed. I mean, no one - other than the people who post stuff on these forums - hardly even remembers Shenmue games. Dreamcast, sure. I mean, people thought the Dreamcast was a great competitor for the PS2, until Sony announced that it was compatible with high speed internet access and was equipped with better graphics. It even had a DVD player. The Dreamcast may have had a CD player. It just had too many issued, such as actually screwing up the system entirely. On top of that, PS2 had a faster load and save time. People easily went with the PS2, so they can't hardly remember too many games on Dreamcast. Especially not a lame game like Shenmue or the awful sequel it had. The first game was two star at best. I can't even give a half star for the second game. A third game would just be rediculous. Can you name a 3 to any film of video game series that turned out good? I can not think of one at all.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on September 03, 2014, 07:38:27 pm
Spock, I feel like you just said the PS2 was superior to the DC and Shenmue sucks.


Did I miss something? Are you insane?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 04, 2014, 02:23:50 am
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until Sony announced that it was compatible with high speed internet access and was equipped with better graphics.


Nothing high speed about SONY PS2 narrowband network . You need to remember that DC did offer broadband support too .


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A third game would just be rediculous. Can you name a 3 to any film of video game series that turned out good? I can not think of one at all.


Films and games are totally different . I can name you loads of games where the 3rd enytry in the series are totally brilliant like Panzer Dragoon Saga, Sonic III, Mario III, Zelda III, Halo 3, GTA III and so on it goes


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On top of that, PS2 had a faster load and save time.


Depends on the game .


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Especially not a lame game like Shenmue or the awful sequel it had. The first game was two star at best. I can't even give a half star for the second game.


So you're just trolling then and posting in a topic you have no real interest in . I agree the 1st game wasn't that great, the 2nd game was bloody amazing though imo and one of the best RPG I have ever played .
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TruthEnigma on September 04, 2014, 04:30:51 am
Wait... I just realized you said it would be a low investment. Isn't the idea to have a higher investment, so that Sega could make more money? I think that Shenmue is a terrible franchise to revive for multiple reasons that I have previously discussed. I mean, no one - other than the people who post stuff on these forums - hardly even remembers Shenmue games. Dreamcast, sure. I mean, people thought the Dreamcast was a great competitor for the PS2, until Sony announced that it was compatible with high speed internet access and was equipped with better graphics. It even had a DVD player. The Dreamcast may have had a CD player. It just had too many issued, such as actually screwing up the system entirely. On top of that, PS2 had a faster load and save time. People easily went with the PS2, so they can't hardly remember too many games on Dreamcast. Especially not a lame game like Shenmue or the awful sequel it had. The first game was two star at best. I can't even give a half star for the second game. A third game would just be rediculous. Can you name a 3 to any film of video game series that turned out good? I can not think of one at all.

Good third films in a series are unusual, but not unheard of. Die Hard With a Vengeance, while not being of the standard of the original (which may be the best action movie ever made), is far better then Die Hard 2. Also you could mention Goldfinger, Army of Darkness, Return of the Jedi and others.

You are correct that most of the gaming public does not know of Shenmue, so you would need to do a HD re-release of the first 2 on Xbox1, PS4 and PC to establish it in the minds of the general gaming public as the landmark series it is. Also I would say the only way to do Shenmue 3 would be to bring back Yu Suzuki.

The PS2 had 1 seriously major advantage over the Dreamcast. DVD. Millions of people got it because it was half the price of other DVD players. For quite a long time, the number of games sold per system was very low. That eventually chaged, because if you have the machine, you may as well get some sports and party titles.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on September 04, 2014, 07:20:43 am
Spock, I feel like you just said the PS2 was superior to the DC and Shenmue sucks.


Did I miss something? Are you insane?

I figured that a while back which is why i started to take the piss out of him....
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on September 04, 2014, 04:03:51 pm
I agree with you TruthEnigma, that is what I have been trying to explain. Yu Suzuki would have to be a part of it and an hd release first would be the best idea if Sega does decide to make the game for some strange reason. I'm not saying Sega will not make the game. I'm just saying it would be a bad idea, unless they make the game superior to the first and far more superior to the second. ROJM, do you not have anything better to do than just try and complain about what everyone posts?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on September 05, 2014, 08:21:33 am
I agree with you TruthEnigma, that is what I have been trying to explain. Yu Suzuki would have to be a part of it and an hd release first would be the best idea if Sega does decide to make the game for some strange reason. I'm not saying Sega will not make the game. I'm just saying it would be a bad idea, unless they make the game superior to the first and far more superior to the second. ROJM, do you not have anything better to do than just try and complain about what everyone posts?

Do you have anything better to do than make silly remarks and contradict yourself in your own posts?
Yu Suzuki doesn't have to be a part of any SHENMUE game...he wasn't even an active part of any of the recent VIRTUA FIGHTER games which he created. So i really don't know why you continue to ignore that fact and basically troll this topic on nonsense in a subject you clearly know nothing about.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on September 05, 2014, 08:29:12 am
Good third films in a series are unusual, but not unheard of. Die Hard With a Vengeance, while not being of the standard of the original (which may be the best action movie ever made), is far better then Die Hard 2. Also you could mention Goldfinger, Army of Darkness, Return of the Jedi and others.

You are correct that most of the gaming public does not know of Shenmue, so you would need to do a HD re-release of the first 2 on Xbox1, PS4 and PC to establish it in the minds of the general gaming public as the landmark series it is. Also I would say the only way to do Shenmue 3 would be to bring back Yu Suzuki.

The PS2 had 1 seriously major advantage over the Dreamcast. DVD. Millions of people got it because it was half the price of other DVD players. For quite a long time, the number of games sold per system was very low. That eventually chaged, because if you have the machine, you may as well get some sports and party titles.

Having Yu Suzuki'S name attached wouldn't change anything in my opinion. It would be good if he was involved but he wasn't really going to be involved with SHENMUE 3 when that started. The reality is the DC mess up thanks to SOJ and their yes men guaranteed that this series was never going to continue despite indications that it was..if it the DC had been around longer we would have seen all the games released by now and talking about how great a classic it was. But Sega just isn't sega when they are on other peoples systems..we have seen that with other titles of sega characters and how they've been.
Now we live the true sega fan in a nightmare where we have capcom supporters coming on here bashing sega for not being like capcom, slagging off the MD and Attacking anything strong about the current brand and trying to make other companies are performing better than sega when they are not as well as talking about things they clearly know nothing about, zealots and mad men telling people their were Streets of Rage movies when there was not and people that can't make a clear and concise argument about whether they like SHENMUE or not. This is the torture that the few Sega fans have to put up with....
Not saying things will be all perfect but Sega will probably be better as a consumer developer if they had their own console to work on again...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on September 05, 2014, 09:29:59 pm
Do you have anything better to do than make silly remarks and contradict yourself in your own posts?
Yu Suzuki doesn't have to be a part of any SHENMUE game...he wasn't even an active part of any of the recent VIRTUA FIGHTER games which he created. So i really don't know why you continue to ignore that fact and basically troll this topic on nonsense in a subject you clearly know nothing about.
Ah. So basically if someone else said the exact same thing I have been trying to say, they have a well thought out idea. If I say something, then I don't know what I'm talking about. Ok.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on September 06, 2014, 07:23:42 am
Ah. So basically if someone else said the exact same thing I have been trying to say, they have a well thought out idea. If I say something, then I don't know what I'm talking about. Ok.

No i would debate about it..in a more well presented manner as they presented their views. Simple really.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on September 13, 2014, 08:06:44 am
No i would debate about it..in a more well presented manner as they presented their views. Simple really.
Thanks for trying your best to stir controversy. I have nothing more to say to your ignorant views of my opinion.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: ROJM on September 13, 2014, 02:38:02 pm
Thanks for trying your best to stir controversy. I have nothing more to say to your ignorant views of my opinion.

Good but they're not ignorant..its the truth. Something you need to accept.See ya wouldn't wanna be ya...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on January 31, 2015, 03:44:16 pm
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-20-yu-suzuki-is-looking-into-kickstarter

This is actual news. He could just be hinting at another one of his other games. Whatever it is, it's something worth mentioning. I'm sure it will be something to look into and discuss.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on February 01, 2015, 09:40:06 am
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-20-yu-suzuki-is-looking-into-kickstarter

This is actual news.
Published 20/03/2014
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on February 03, 2015, 10:28:31 pm
It takes time to make video games. If he just started working on the game last year (which he probably didn't), then he might not have it made until next year. He could be working on the story, character sketches, sound, or anything similar before he decides which company to choose for his game. Shenmue III is still possible. Just not possible through Sega. If he says he wants to do it, then he will at least try. He made that terrible Shenmue mobile game. I'm sure he can make at least a decent sequel to Shenmue II. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 03, 2015, 11:02:52 pm
Yu Suzuki isn't making Shenmue III (see Polygon interview) and he shouldn't be with YS.NET. They aren't big enough to handle the project. If anything, Yu Suzuki needs to show big publishers that they can handle games that fans are willing to buy.

 If Yu Suzuki is thinking of starting a Kickstarter or other sort of crowd sourcing project, I think he should start with a console game like Keiji Inafune did with Mighty No.9. He already paid 4x the developement from fans and is coming to Linux, Windows, 3DS, OS X, PS3, PS4, Vita, Wii U, 360, and Xbone.

The funny thing is, Yu Suzuki's biggest money makers where arcade games and the PSN/XBLA market eats those types of games like hot wings, with licking fingers and all.

I don't think you understand how many people at SEGA worked on the Shenmue project...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on February 04, 2015, 10:29:36 am
Anyone who wants to keep up on what's going on with Shenmue and Yu Suzuki, I strongly recommend http://shenmuedojo.net/

They post all the latest articles and interviews, as well as having many contributors who have done some impressive research and found all sorts of secrets, unused assets and otherwise obscure and cool features of the first two games. Just by checking in there you can be sure that you aren't stumbling across an out-of-date article, or at least you can square it up with the context of the latest news.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 06, 2015, 09:05:14 am
Why do people pretend that Sleeping Dogs is anything like Shenmue? Fuck, I want to beat them all into a pulp with a rubber mallet.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 06, 2015, 09:12:22 am
I'll be honest, I think a lot of Shenmue fans don't actually "get" Shenmue. I hear so many people say Sleeping Dogs is the next Shenmue, or that Shenmue is all about seeking revenge. Did we play the same game??

Yakuza is a little like Shenmue, but far from a replacement. Yakuza is its own glorious thing. Does Ryo hit on hot ladies and fight people in the streets? Of course not, he ignores Nozomi's advances and only fights people in the streets when Yu Suzuki allows him to.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 06, 2015, 09:26:53 am
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or that Shenmue is all about seeking revenge



Tbh that is all the game is about . Shenmue story is just your classic Hong Kong movie revenge saga from years back . Shenmue is just so good becasue its made by Yu Suzuki that's what really makes the game. Story and script wise Yakuza is so much better really
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 06, 2015, 09:28:35 am
Exactly, Sleeping Dogs was just GTA in Hong Kong with a significantly better hand to hand fighting system (but still completely, utterly different to Shenmue's).

There was none of the character interaction that Shenmue had, or the intimate small town feel, gaining clues by talking to people and dialling people on the phone etc.

Yakuza is a little bit closer, but as you said, it's not the same thing either.



Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 06, 2015, 03:35:05 pm



Tbh that is all the game is about . Shenmue story is just your classic Hong Kong movie revenge saga from years back . Shenmue is just so good becasue its made by Yu Suzuki that's what really makes the game. Story and script wise Yakuza is so much better really

I should have clarified. Revenge is a theme, but in Shenmue II it was moving towards the absence of revenge. Think Return of the Jedi. A New Hope and Empire were setting up Luke taking revenge on Vader, but in the end it was a message of forgiveness and peace and how revenge is the worst possible road to take. Who knows, maybe Shenmue III would have offered players a split with a good path and bad path? But my point was fans claiming they want a Shenmue III to seek revenge are incredibly misguided and likely were not paying attention to the plot of the second game. The series isn't Kill Bill.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 06, 2015, 03:46:55 pm
It's almost more about finding out why Lan Di killed Iwao than getting revenge. Learning about the Mirrors, why Iwao was targeted and why he did 'that', what was the white feather for in Iwao's book, what does Lan Di intend to do with the mirrors and the power... all those unanswered questions.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on February 06, 2015, 04:29:18 pm
TA, Yu has said a few times already (once in an interview with Kenji from Shenmue Master, and again in the postmortem), that Ryo will lose the will to revenge. You can see that even in the first game, although only slightly. The first conversation you have in the game that isn't a cutscene is with Fuku-san, where Ryo angrily says he is going to take revenge. By the end of Shenmue I, he is a bit more calmed and rational (not by much, admittedly), and by Shenmue II is over, he is further along that path. The fight with Lan Di in the future will come out of necessity, not revenge.

Shenmue is much more than a revenge story. The people that say it has a bad story, I feel don't understand the game they are playing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 06, 2015, 07:53:07 pm
Wasn't it a white leaf that was unusually fresh, hinting at some secret to immortality?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 06, 2015, 09:41:39 pm
TA, Yu has said a few times already (once in an interview with Kenji from Shenmue Master, and again in the postmortem), that Ryo will lose the will to revenge. You can see that even in the first game, although only slightly. The first conversation you have in the game that isn't a cutscene is with Fuku-san, where Ryo angrily says he is going to take revenge. By the end of Shenmue I, he is a bit more calmed and rational (not by much, admittedly), and by Shenmue II is over, he is further along that path. The fight with Lan Di in the future will come out of necessity, not revenge.

Shenmue is much more than a revenge story. The people that say it has a bad story, I feel don't understand the game they are playing.
This so, so much this. I think I went on a rant in one of the Swingin' Report Shows about this. There are a lot of lessions that Ryo learns in II that change his outlook on life. One of the main themes of the series is 'the cycle of revenge' and its deadly chain reaction. Ryo is a victim, but will killing Lan Di make him better than him? Wasn't he on the same quest as Ryo?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on February 07, 2015, 09:31:30 am
Wasn't it a white leaf that was unusually fresh, hinting at some secret to immortality?

Widely believed to be so, hopefully we will find out the true answer and more in another Shenmue console game.

And thanks, George! Lan Di was to an extent...the Chiyoumen boss, Tentei, did send Lan Di to collect the mirrors, though he didn't know Iwao had both of them, I guess. Why he sent Lan Di is obviously not known yet, maybe because of his personal connections to Iwao, thinking (or knowing) that he (Iwao) had killed his father?

All of this was provided to us by Kiyuu of Shenmue BBS and Shenmue Dojo, via translation of the official Japanese guide book for Shenmue I.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: SuperSonicEX on February 08, 2015, 08:53:59 pm
I'll be honest, I think a lot of Shenmue fans don't actually "get" Shenmue. I hear so many people say Sleeping Dogs is the next Shenmue, or that Shenmue is all about seeking revenge. Did we play the same game??

Yakuza is a little like Shenmue, but far from a replacement. Yakuza is its own glorious thing. Does Ryo hit on hot ladies and fight people in the streets? Of course not, he ignores Nozomi's advances and only fights people in the streets when Yu Suzuki allows him to.

I used to agree with the Shenmue comparison at first (without all the choices and whatnot), but upon later insight I realized that wasn't the case.  Whereas Shenmue came from Virtua Fighter, Yakuza seems like it originally came from the Spikeout at least engine-wise, unless I'm totally wrong.  Rent-A-Hero on Dreamcast/X-box also had similar comparisons right?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 09, 2015, 03:17:50 pm
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TA, Yu has said a few times already (once in an interview with Kenji from Shenmue Master, and again in the postmortem), that Ryo will lose the will to revenge

Its revenge Shenmue story and more so its  script is very simple . Its again just a classic Hong Kong movie being played out . I'm guessing that Ryo might loss the will for revenge when he finds out who Lan Di really might be , or the reasons why Lan Di is doing what's he doing  . Dont take me saying Shenmue is simple in story terms as an insult, it's not . Just that story and script wise Yakuza is leagues ahead and far more professional done imo
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on February 09, 2015, 03:31:20 pm
I don't think it is simple at all, but agree to disagree I guess.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 09, 2015, 04:39:50 pm
TA, how do you know if its a revenge film? Have you played it? We provided context and you just say no because Chinese revenge films don't work that way.

Great logic.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on February 10, 2015, 10:04:04 am
I think Ryo will ultimately come to realize that Lan Di and the Chiyoumen he's fighting against are personifications of who he would become if he were to continue on the path to revenge. Especially if he ends up meeting Xiuying's brother at some point. You can almost see it in Ryo's demeanor when he watches Lan Di escape on the helicopter - he's not standing there screaming at him or otherwise threatening him. He's still going to come after him, but he's starting to register what his mentors along his journey have been saying. Maybe even Lan Di sees something of himself in Ryo, recognizing that they're both just enacting a cycle of revenge that will continue indefinitely unless someone can break it. But aside from that arc of personal growth, I think there must be additional elements regarding the seemingly magical properties of the mirrors that will open up the story in an unexpected direction.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 12, 2015, 04:19:44 am
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TA, how do you know if its a revenge film? Have you played it


Unlike you Geroge .. Yes I play the games


Looking over the intro to Shenmue . I'll just leave you with a simple quote from Ryo....


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They killed my father right in front of me... I will have my revenge! I need to do this, for my father


Now if that isn't a clinched revenge plot seen in counltess films
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 12, 2015, 10:00:06 am

Unlike you Geroge .. Yes I play the games


No need for insults. I know ROJM put up with it, but don't start insulting forum members. Also, who is Geroge?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 12, 2015, 12:32:56 pm

Unlike you Geroge .. Yes I play the games


Looking over the intro to Shenmue . I'll just leave you with a simple quote from Ryo....



Now if that isn't a clinched revenge plot seen in counltess films
Cool story, bro.

Its obvious you lost the argument the moment you started insulting me. If you have proof that the 3rd game (that was unreleased) was going to be about Ryo's revenge, post it. All your proof has been is 'Chinese revenge films' etc. Yet our prove around here have been scenes within the game foreshadowing including the story of Xiuying Hong and her brother, who fell victiem into the cycle of revenge. One of the main themes of that chapter was for the player to understand that revenge isn't always the answer. Not only that, Yu Suzuki stated the same thing.

Yet, according to you, some revenge flicks don't hit on that note, so we are all wrong and never play video games.

Great logic you have going on there. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 12, 2015, 03:12:04 pm
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Its obvious you lost the argument the moment you started insulting me


Hang on you asked me had I played the game - so you lost it before me (if you going to make out,  that syaing you not played a game is a insult) . You have a lot to say on the likes of Assians Creed Unity and the like  one little look at your gammer tag shows you haven't even played the game at all . I play the games at the end of the day or make it clear if I haven't.


Now the basic story to Shenmue is Revenge, it's what makes Ryo set out on his quest after all and Its been done a million times before : A young boy see's his father getting killed, while he's not strong enough or well trainned enough in Martial Arts to be able to take on and save their father at the time and so vows revenge and to study and train hard to be able to have their revenge .














Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 12, 2015, 03:40:41 pm
I think you guys are arguing over nothing.
TA: Yes, the story's main plotline has been kicked into gear by a very generic 'You killed my father' revenge plot.
George: Yes, there is a lot of foreshadowing that the story will and is developing into something more, or that Ryo is going to give up his desire for revenge.

I think we can agree that what we've seen so far contains a lot of pretty standard revenge tropes, but there is potential for the story to go in a different direction (considering we've got only, what a third of the overall story so far?)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 12, 2015, 05:37:23 pm
Because PS3/360 are the only platforms people play games on? I haven't played much games on consoles after I got a good PC. I mostly play that, Wii U and 3DS on the moment.

But nice investigative reporting on my gaming habits.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 15, 2015, 04:00:25 am
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I think we can agree that what we've seen so far contains a lot of pretty standard revenge tropes, but there is potential for the story to go in a different direction (considering we've got only, what a third of the overall story so far?)

To some I feel when one tries to make out that Shenmue Story is basic it's seen an insult to the game and that you're knocking it when I'm not . If Ryo was able to take down Lai Di in Shenmue's intro , there's no game . Shenmue basic story is about setting out to avenge his father's death really . Yakuza story is better and also its script is much much better, but for me Shenmue II is far better game than any of the Yakuza's .


Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 15, 2015, 05:54:59 am
To some I feel when one tries to make out that Shenmue Story is basic it's seen an insult to the game and that you're knocking it when I'm not . If Ryo was able to take down Lai Di in Shenmue's intro , there's no game . Shenmue basic story is about setting out to avenge his father's death really . Yakuza story is better and also its script is much much better, but for me Shenmue II is far better game than any of the Yakuza's .


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But nice investigative reporting on my gaming habits


Well you asked 1st and I highy doubt you have AC Unity for the PC :P
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 15, 2015, 03:25:56 pm
I never said "I own" AC Unity. I said I played AC Unity. You do know there are other ways of playing games on PC instead of buying it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 15, 2015, 03:51:51 pm
"I own" AC Unity. I said I played AC Unity. You do know there are other ways of playing games on PC instead of buying it.

That's just a cop out and I highly doubt you pirate games tbh
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on February 15, 2015, 05:41:11 pm
Wow, TA. Does everything you say have to be argumentative?

Shenmue I's "basic story" is about revenge. The very top, most basic layer is revenge, yes. But we have seen only the tip of the iceberg that is Shenmue's complete story. According the man who CREATED THE STORY HIMSELF, he said the rest of the story (much larger than I and II) is without Ryo's lust for revenge, since he very quickly starts to realize that it is not a good path to be on. The majority of Shenmue's story is not about revenge.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 16, 2015, 01:05:37 pm
1977's Star Wars, without any knowledge of the sequels, is a revenge story. Luke's father, uncle, aunt, and mentor were killed by Vader and the Empire. He joins the rebellion to avenge their deaths. As the movies progress you learn more about Vader, and Luke's quest for revenge transforms into the exact opposite. He throws his saber down and tries to save Vader.

Shenmue was headed in a very similar direction in part II, and as others have said Suzuki himself later stated that Ryo's need for revenge transforms into something else.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 16, 2015, 02:06:29 pm
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1977's Star Wars, without any knowledge of the sequels, is a revenge story. Luke's father, uncle, aunt, and mentor were killed by Vader and the Empire. He joins the rebellion to avenge their deaths


Yep the hero that starts off weak by then becomes a master to get his revenge . Its been done a million times, doesn't mean its bad or a rubbish film
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 16, 2015, 03:13:20 pm
The whole point is that Revenge = Dark Side... maybe you didn't get the lesson of the film at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 16, 2015, 03:13:42 pm
I... I never said Star Wars was a bad or rubbish film.

I was comparing Star Wars to Shenmue. Both Ryo and Luke start on the path of revenge, but midway through they learn new truths and reassess. Star Wars had the luxury of telling the full story, Shenmue did not, but Yu Suzuki has said that Ryo's path is not revenge by the third game. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on February 17, 2015, 09:14:17 am
Luke wants revenge although he doesn't fully understand why. In the end, Darth Vader himself teaches him a life changing lesson.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 17, 2015, 10:42:25 am
Luke wants revenge although he doesn't fully understand why. In the end, Darth Vader himself teaches him a life changing lesson.

A boy wanted to kill his father. In the end, his father teaches him a life changing lesson that took our breath away.
[Click here to read more]
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 17, 2015, 10:46:51 am
A boy wanted to kill his father. In the end, his father teaches him a life changing lesson that took our breath away.
[Click here to read more]

His dad cut off his hand! What he does next will leave you in tears!


In any event, do you think we'll ever know the full story? I feel like Yu Suzuki will never make the games, but I wonder if he'll be compelled to reveal the story at some point? I would hate to think we'll never know what the intention was.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 17, 2015, 12:59:05 pm
He stated before that he would be up to write a book or finish it other mediums, but I think after all the fanbase hitting social media and making it seem like there are trillions of them, he probably won't do it outside of a game now.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 17, 2015, 01:02:42 pm
He stated before that he would be up to write a book or finish it other mediums, but I think after all the fanbase hitting social media and making it seem like there are trillions of them, he probably won't do it outside of a game now.

I doubt we'll get much more than just 'Oh yeah Ryo actually meets Lan Di and they become best buddies and kill all the Chi you men.' via twitter or something.


Even writing a book or making a manga is going to be time consuming and I'm not sure Yu is that interested at this point.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 17, 2015, 02:49:45 pm
For what I read he is, I think the fans have ignited a spark, from what I read in the Polygon interview recently, he just wants to create new games ( :(  ), the issue is publisher. I really think he should do smaller console digital games via kickstarter with good ideas (aka don't try to change the game, just make a fun game Yu Suzuki status).

The thing is, will a follow up ever satisfy fans? I remember when they first started teasing Shenmue Online, Yu Suzuki said he wanted to finish the story via the game's updates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpE2sKvgJtU


I really think Shenmue Online was the last nail in the coffin for the Shenmue franchise. SEGA spent a shit ton of cash on the project. If rumors are correct (That the 3rd game was going to go in a really different direction with powers and such) will the old fanbase be happy at the changes? I mean, if it came out in 2003-4, they probably would have accepted it, shit if it came out in 2006 as well. But would they accept it now in 2015> ? The answer is probably not.

I think SEGA is in a bind on this franchise and its not like their making large amounts of money to spend on a vanity project (which Shenmue was) and they don't need to create games like these anymore due to not selling hardware.

The best case is Sony co-funds the game and do it in hopes of long term profits, the way that they have handled Team ICO (Sony says they don't care if their games don't make immediate returns in profit). The point of having 'highly regarded games' is to put your console in a positive light and if having Shenmue and other SEGA IPs exclusive (they already are doing it with Street Fighter V) then its probably better for SEGA.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 17, 2015, 03:02:50 pm
I can't beleive so much money was sunk into Shenmue Online. Whatever happened to it? The game that nobody asked for... It might have been good, but it was basically targeted at China and, by extension, just making money.
It sounded soulless, and nothing like Shenmue.

I wouldn't mind Shenmue introducing powers so long as it still 'felt' like Shenmue. Intimate exploration of your surroundings, engaging characters, fun battles (you could keep the VF-like system and introduce some powers), GOOD QTEs and real world style problem solving (talking to people and logical solutions).

And I know what you mean, releasing a direct sequel fifteen years after the fact doesn't make sense.

I wouldn't mind seeing them 'Re-boot' the series and aim for the story to be told in between 1-3 games by condensing it somehow, but even that would be difficult. I really wouldn't mind a Shenmue 1 remake at this point though, keep it exactly the same with better controls, better voice acting and graphics. Everything else could stay the same (although they'd probably put some more action and fights in. At least give us an opportunity to fight more often like Shenmue 2's street fight challenges).


EDIT: And I agree 100% with Yu Suzuki making more games. Mobile games might work out for him, but I'd love to see him make a new arcade style racer or action game and put it on XBLA/PSN/Steam.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on February 17, 2015, 05:06:00 pm
I would have loved to play Shenmue Online, but only along with III. I did not want it as a replacement, which it never was meant to be.

It was also originally meant for the Koreans and Chinese, not just one of them. JCE was the main developer with SEGA, and T2 Technology Holdings was to be the Chinese operator.

I can't find it now, but I'm fairly certain also that Yu Suzuki said he would much rather release more main story games rather than finishing the story through online updates.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on February 18, 2015, 03:22:22 pm
If rumors are correct (That the 3rd game was going to go in a really different direction with powers and such) will the old fanbase be happy at the changes? I mean, if it came out in 2003-4, they probably would have accepted it, shit if it came out in 2006 as well. But would they accept it now in 2015> ? The answer is probably not.

I think SEGA is in a bind on this franchise and its not like their making large amounts of money to spend on a vanity project (which Shenmue was) and they don't need to create games like these anymore due to not selling hardware.

Well, regarding the original fanbase's acceptance of "powers" or whatever you want to call it... anyone who is still interested in Shenmue has probably already done a lot of thinking about this. Obviously Lan Di isn't after the mirrors for their resale value as antiquities. And anyone who played through to the final scene of Shenmue II has no doubt about something unexplainable by everyday standards factoring into the future of the story...

But, to call Shenmue a vanity project only makes a kind of sense in retrospect. It was to be the killer RPG for the Dreamcast, and at that point everything Yu Suzuki touched turned to gold for Sega. It just seems that Shenmue's lack of success has been greatly exaggerated over the years - the untrue claim of a $70m budget has become industry legend. It was pretty much a perfect storm of bad circumstances surrounding the Dreamcast that derailed Shenmue, but unfortunately and very unfairly it seems that Yu Suzuki is the one who has taken the brunt of the blame in the long run. Without Yu Suzuki's contributions to Sega there wouldn't have been a series of Sega home consoles, IMO. The man deserves more chances.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on February 18, 2015, 03:26:29 pm
Well said. ^

I think the biggest part you hit on was that everybody wants to greatly exaggerate how "bad" Shenmue did on the market.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on February 18, 2015, 03:31:49 pm
Well, regarding the original fanbase's acceptance of "powers" or whatever you want to call it... anyone who is still interested in Shenmue has probably already done a lot of thinking about this. Obviously Lan Di isn't after the mirrors for their resale value as antiquities. And anyone who played through to the final scene of Shenmue II has no doubt about something unexplainable by everyday standards factoring into the future of the story...

But, to call Shenmue a vanity project only makes a kind of sense in retrospect. It was to be the killer RPG for the Dreamcast, and at that point everything Yu Suzuki touched turned to gold for Sega. It just seems that Shenmue's lack of success has been greatly exaggerated over the years - the untrue claim of a $70m budget has become industry legend. It was pretty much a perfect storm of bad circumstances surrounding the Dreamcast that derailed Shenmue, but unfortunately and very unfairly it seems that Yu Suzuki is the one who has taken the brunt of the blame in the long run. Without Yu Suzuki's contributions to Sega there wouldn't have been a series of Sega home consoles, IMO. The man deserves more chances.

It was meant to be Sega's 'Final Fantasy' equivalent wasn't it? An annual series that they could make year on year and become a big franchise?

Either way, I wonder if Yu Suzuki really took the blame or if he was just winding down anyway. The man really didn't have much else to prove at that point, he made genre defining games for Racing, Fighting, Shooting and now Adventure games too. If he couldn't make Shenmue, he may have been happy having less projects? I don't know, but I feel like a man as important as him wouldn't have just been pushed aside due to one game (that was actually one of the highest selling on Dreamcast).
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on February 18, 2015, 03:53:58 pm
I personally do believe it was really high up there. You got to understand, it wasn't all used on Dreamcast released Shenmue and the cost wasn't really due to AM2. What we know is that the game was in development for quite awhile as the Virtua Fighter RPG (and even before that as The old man and the peach tree). Those turned into Shenmue which had a running prototype on Saturn, plus SEGA was pushing the Saturn to its limits and even had rumors that they had a add-on video card for VF3 (which some of Shenmue's fighting system is based on).

Then due to SEGA wanting to get rid of the Saturn for another system, the project moved forward. Was it 70 million? Who knows. Was it a lot for a company like SEGA? Yes.

I really don't know if Yu Suzuki was pushed aside due to it, he says it didn't effect his relationship with SEGA, but if you look at his games after it came out, its like night and day compared to the last 20 years in the company.

I know people would hate this, but I think overall it was a mistake changing it from a Virtua Fighter RPG to its own IP. I think having it tie-in with one of the most popular fighting games would have added depth to the characters (one of the major complaints about VF characters) and really just establish that franchise to a new audience.

I love Shenmue but the story could have worked with Akira and show you how he became the legend that he is in the VF games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on February 18, 2015, 05:07:48 pm
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the untrue claim of a $70m budget has become industry legend.


That figure is very true , not only with Yu Suzuki himself (I know he since tried to back track a little)  , but also in a special with ODC Mag .


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I really don't know if Yu Suzuki was pushed aside due to it, he says it didn't effect his relationship with SEGA, but if you look at his games after it came out, its like night and day compared to the last 20 years in the company


I don't think it was that at all really . Shenmue was a blow to SEGA but I really think the killer was Shenmue II dire sales onthe XBox which killed any chance of Shenmue III really . Yu Suzuki did make VF IV and Evo  which for me is the best in the series . Just think with SEGA trying to slash costs and fighting off the Sammy moves , the move to merge all the teams and have Yu Suzuki set up a new studio was a huge mistake looking back.


VF IV profits alone would have made up for any losses SEGA made with the console Shenmue project


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but I think overall it was a mistake changing it from a Virtua Fighter RPG to its own IP


Wouldn't have made any difference imo. The mistake was putting the game on the DC sadly .





Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on February 19, 2015, 10:19:20 pm
While $70 million was quoted by Yu in the PB video, it was also quoted by him as $47 million at a recent event (Toulouse Games Show?). We really don't know which is true, one has the possibility of being SEGA PR exaggerations, and one has the possibility of saving face by downplaying the budget. I personally believe the $47 million, because why would he lie at this point?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on February 20, 2015, 09:54:25 am
In any case, moving forward, I think Yu Suzuki needs to come up with a scalable plan. Plan A is if he can secure his ideal budget, Plan B is how he'll make the game with a lesser budget, Plan C with an even lesser budget, etc. It seems like he's a "we don't have no Plan B" kind of guy. But the patient fans "love it when a plan comes together." Furthermore, we "ain't getting on no planes, fool!!!" But I digress.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 02, 2015, 05:20:14 am
In any case, moving forward, I think Yu Suzuki needs to come up with a scalable plan. Plan A is if he can secure his ideal budget, Plan B is how he'll make the game with a lesser budget, Plan C with an even lesser budget, etc. It seems like he's a "we don't have no Plan B" kind of guy. But the patient fans "love it when a plan comes together." Furthermore, we "ain't getting on no planes, fool!!!" But I digress.

He does not currently have a plan for a Shenmue III. I realize he would be interested in making one. The problem is that the last game was made fourteen years ago. I don't think we can ever expect to see a good Shenmue II sequel.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 02, 2015, 07:22:50 am
It is simply uninformed to discuss anything that might or might not be going on in Yu Suzuki's head. The odds are against Shenmue III, I'll give you that, but whether or not Yu is actually pursuing funding or whatever is information that is not privy to a lot of people.

I do think that ports of some sort are at least being fought for from Sony's Third Party Productions. Who knows if we will actually see them.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 02, 2015, 04:31:08 pm
You are right about one thing. I don't know what Yu Suzuki has planned. What I do know is that hardly anyone remembers Shenmue. I also know that Yu has many other different franchises to work on. Not to mention the fourteen years since the last game, like I stated in my previous comment. Have you ever seen a sequel to a sequel of a video game that took more than fourteen years before they decided to even START working on it? I mean, if there was actual news of Yu working on Shenmue III, then that would be much different. All I'm saying is that I will be very impressed if it is ever announced.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on March 02, 2015, 04:45:09 pm
You are right about one thing. I don't know what Yu Suzuki has planned. What I do know is that hardly anyone remembers Shenmue. I also know that Yu has many other different franchises to work on. Not to mention the fourteen years since the last game, like I stated in my previous comment. Have you ever seen a sequel to a sequel of a video game that took more than fourteen years before they decided to even START working on it? I mean, if there was actual news of Yu working on Shenmue III, then that would be much different. All I'm saying is that I will be very impressed if it is ever announced.

Kid Iccarus, Donkey Kong Country (sort of) both spring to mind almost instantly.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on March 02, 2015, 05:00:23 pm
I think it will be up to SEGA. They really need to stop ignoring their past IPs. Not saying that launching Shenmue is a great way to start, not ignoring them. I'm scared that Shenmue is like NiGHTS; a big online fanbase that make it seem larger than they are due to how they coordinate and loud they get.

NiGHTS on Wii bombed. We can all say it is due to it not being great. SEGA then started re-releasing older games like JSR which did great  and then due to NiGHTS fans wanting the PS2 Ages remake, they got it re-released. It bombed.

Now SEGA is scared again.

I have a feeling that if SEGA released Shenmue I HD, it would probably fail? I guess if we ever have a chance of Shenmue III happening, we would need HD ports of I and II before to see if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on March 03, 2015, 05:36:26 am
I bought the Nights game twice. i liked it that much.

If only other Saturn gems were re-released.. Some games are quite expensive to collect.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 04, 2015, 04:15:41 pm
Shenmue III would have been announced by Yu Suzuki long ago, if he was really that interested. It could be a slight possibility. I just seriously doubt it. Why do so many people want a third game, if the second one was bad?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 04, 2015, 11:00:07 pm
You are right about one thing. I don't know what Yu Suzuki has planned. What I do know is that hardly anyone remembers Shenmue. I also know that Yu has many other different franchises to work on. Not to mention the fourteen years since the last game, like I stated in my previous comment. Have you ever seen a sequel to a sequel of a video game that took more than fourteen years before they decided to even START working on it? I mean, if there was actual news of Yu working on Shenmue III, then that would be much different. All I'm saying is that I will be very impressed if it is ever announced.

No, you actually don't know if anyone remembers Shenmue or not. The fanbase could have dwindled down to two people or grown to five million. Fact of the matter is, nobody knows for sure. We can guess all we want, but at the end of the day there is no solid data.

Fourteen years since the release, yes...ever heard of Dukem Nukem Forever? And what other franchises? He doesn't work at SEGA anymore, and can't just use anything that he wants from them. Sure, he did Virtua Fighter and Shenmue on mobile devices, but that is it. He is doing his own thing at YS Net.

They didn't wait fourteen years. It has been said before that development started with music, art, sculptures, etc...all of that is done. The story is done. Shenmue III was announced by SEGA back in 2001. Shin Ishikawa was quoted as saying "Look forward to more Shenmue games on Xbox". RPG Gamer published a story that the game was in development. Kikizo did as well.

Why do so many people want a third game, if the second one was bad?

I have no clue as to what you are even talking about here. Shenmue II? Nobody mentioned it being bad.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 05, 2015, 09:38:11 am
No, you actually don't know if anyone remembers Shenmue or not. The fanbase could have dwindled down to two people or grown to five million. Fact of the matter is, nobody knows for sure. We can guess all we want, but at the end of the day there is no solid data.

Fourteen years since the release, yes...ever heard of Dukem Nukem Forever? And what other franchises? He doesn't work at SEGA anymore, and can't just use anything that he wants from them. Sure, he did Virtua Fighter and Shenmue on mobile devices, but that is it. He is doing his own thing at YS Net.

They didn't wait fourteen years. It has been said before that development started with music, art, sculptures, etc...all of that is done. The story is done. Shenmue III was announced by SEGA back in 2001. Shin Ishikawa was quoted as saying "Look forward to more Shenmue games on Xbox". RPG Gamer published a story that the game was in development. Kikizo did as well.

I have no clue as to what you are even talking about here. Shenmue II? Nobody mentioned it being bad.
I have met a lot of people who don't even remember the Dreamcast. Shenmue II was not nearly as good as the first. Why are you so upset about me asking a simple question?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on March 05, 2015, 10:49:28 am
Shenmue II was not nearly as good as the first.
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Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 05, 2015, 11:40:07 am
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So you enjoyed that there was no way to get money by performing a task other than moving crates. It was wonderful for you to hear people try their hardest to voice the characters in English with a more retro style of technology. You must have also praised that the D pad didn't respond well to the double and triple taps to the left and right.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on March 05, 2015, 01:03:55 pm
It's been a while since I've played it, but I don't remember having any trouble with the original Xbox d-pad. The 360 d-pad was extremely inaccurate and frustrating to use, though. Still, it wasn't really the only way to make money, was it? I remember finding a few gambling places that had good payouts.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 05, 2015, 02:28:20 pm
At this point, they'd need to bring the whole series out from the start again really. It's been a while...

If they did mind, it'll be a lot cheaper to make then it was due to the massive leaps in technology we've had since then. They'd also be able to bring things up to date and drop the more awkward aspects of the games too. The conference Yu Suzuki held about Shenmue shed some light on what direction it was taking and I actually thought it would be great to see this finished. It was clearly going beyond the average revenge plot and into something different.

We can dream I suppose...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 05, 2015, 03:44:59 pm
I have met a lot of people who don't even remember the Dreamcast. Shenmue II was not nearly as good as the first. Why are you so upset about me asking a simple question?

Oh, you met a lot of people. Guess that's factual basis for a sound argument! Not.

Your opinion about not liking the sequel as much as the first is just that. An opinion. Same goes for your random conjecture being random conjecture. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I am not mad at you, especially for having an opinion. But that isn't everyone's opinion, and also should not be used as a factual argument.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on March 05, 2015, 06:41:28 pm
So you enjoyed that there was no way to get money by performing a task other than moving crates. It was wonderful for you to hear people try their hardest to voice the characters in English with a more retro style of technology. You must have also praised that the D pad didn't respond well to the double and triple taps to the left and right.
Is an optional thing really a reason you should name for like the 1st game better? Dont get me wrong i really love the 1st game. Still think there's something about it which the 2nd game lacks. But thinking about it its really just the setting. Though man, the 2nd game is something else.

The other stuff about taps is something i didnt have an issue with. The game doesnt require a lot of skill in the fighting department so i think itd be much worse in that case. I would hope in a next installment the fighting would be a lot more refined overall.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on March 05, 2015, 06:46:26 pm
The second one had much better pacing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on March 06, 2015, 08:08:32 am
That whole sequence from being handcuffed to the rooftop battle is one of the best video game moments ever. It's just such a fun and solid sequence!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on March 06, 2015, 08:38:49 pm
Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HgVgF4j7lU

nuff said

Also :'(

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on March 07, 2015, 03:33:11 am
That whole sequence from being handcuffed to the rooftop battle is one of the best video game moments ever. It's just such a fun and solid sequence!

That it is ... It reminds me a lot of Jackie Chan Project A Part II .  It's when the game really takes off and draws you in, I remember playing that part and when I looked at the clock I couldn't belive that some 4 hours had passed (I missed out on supper and everything)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 16, 2015, 05:33:34 pm
Is an optional thing really a reason you should name for like the 1st game better? Dont get me wrong i really love the 1st game. Still think there's something about it which the 2nd game lacks. But thinking about it its really just the setting. Though man, the 2nd game is something else.

The other stuff about taps is something i didnt have an issue with. The game doesnt require a lot of skill in the fighting department so i think itd be much worse in that case. I would hope in a next installment the fighting would be a lot more refined overall.
Well, I played the second game on Xbox. Not Dreamcast. I guess I should have tried it on Dreamcast before I complained about the controls. As far as the gameplay itself, I still prefer the original Shenmue. A third entry for any series is almost always the worst of them all. It was a much different era fifteen years ago. Times have changed and there are too many other great game franchises for Sega to work on right now. I think someone on this thread mentioned before that there are too many other games like Shenmue already.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 16, 2015, 10:18:13 pm
I disagree that there are too many other games like Shenmue out there. There are hardly any.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 17, 2015, 01:31:48 am
If they're more games out there like Shenmue, can someone point me to them? I can't see any personally. Sleeping Dogs, GTA and Yakuza are definitely not the same if those are the ones people are talking about.

As stated earlier in this thread, I think if they were to carry on with the series, they'd need a reboot. Simply remastering or releasing Shenmue 1 and 2 in it's outdated state now would be a flop I suspect. That may sound expensive, but it really wouldn't be with technology now. Back then, they had to hard code all the things that come built in with most engines now.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 18, 2015, 09:18:24 pm
If they're more games out there like Shenmue, can someone point me to them? I can't see any personally. Sleeping Dogs, GTA and Yakuza are definitely not the same if those are the ones people are talking about.

As stated earlier in this thread, I think if they were to carry on with the series, they'd need a reboot. Simply remastering or releasing Shenmue 1 and 2 in it's outdated state now would be a flop I suspect. That may sound expensive, but it really wouldn't be with technology now. Back then, they had to hard code all the things that come built in with most engines now.
The Uncharted series is similar. I admit there is not a Japanese theme. As far as the gameplay, it is very similar though. Also Divekick, Karateka, and Kengo: Legend of the 9. They are all very similar. Definately not a good time for Shenmue III. Of course, I don't think there ever was a good time for it. Shenmue was exclusive to Dreamcast. Why would Sega want to release the same series more than fiveteen years later, if the last game in the series was on their own system?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 18, 2015, 11:38:22 pm
Because there is hardly ever anything that is ever an absolute? What facts and statistics can anybody really post that proves now is not a good time for Shenmue III? Have you done your research on the market? Why wouldn't it be a good time?

They might want to release it because it is a classic IP that was never given the proper treatment it deserved, due overwhelmingly to circumstance.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 19, 2015, 02:01:31 am
The Uncharted series is similar. I admit there is not a Japanese theme. As far as the gameplay, it is very similar though. Also Divekick, Karateka, and Kengo: Legend of the 9. They are all very similar. Definately not a good time for Shenmue III. Of course, I don't think there ever was a good time for it. Shenmue was exclusive to Dreamcast. Why would Sega want to release the same series more than fiveteen years later, if the last game in the series was on their own system?

None of those games are even close to being similar. Uncharted is an action game, Kengo, divekick and Karateka are just fighting games. If you stripped Shenmue down to its core features, it's essentially a narratively driven adventure game rich with Japanese culture (Chinese in SII). The closest thing I'd say you are going to find would be something like a point 'n' click adventure game.

The problem there though is none of them offer the same amount of mechanics and variety that Shenmue did. The only one that might reach that one day is currently Telltale Games. They are playing around with their winning formula to create new mechanics like using the Loader bot in Tales from the borderlands to fight, a tiny bit of exploring, a small puzzle and so on.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on March 19, 2015, 05:44:50 am
Only game vaguely similar to Shenmue is Yakuza.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on March 19, 2015, 10:15:00 am
The Uncharted series is similar. I admit there is not a Japanese theme. As far as the gameplay, it is very similar though. Also Divekick, Karateka, and Kengo: Legend of the 9. They are all very similar.

Uncharted?
DIVEKICK!?

You have to be fucking joking.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 19, 2015, 10:19:37 pm
I was not saying those games were almost identical. I was just saying that those games would be too similar for another game to compete with. Especially one that is as outdated as the Shenmue series. That's not to say it was a bad series. It was actually amazing. Definitely a fan of the first game. I'm just confused why so many of you would want a low budget sequel to two classic games like that. It would just make the other two games look like they should have also never been made.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 20, 2015, 08:35:14 am
I never get why people say any game is outdated. I think of expired milk or meat when I think outdated, not a video game. You think that magic weather and time control, and all of those 500 NPCs are something that were only enjoyable in 2000-2002?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on March 20, 2015, 09:48:50 am
I was not saying those games were almost identical. I was just saying that those games would be too similar for another game to compete with.
Can you please explain how they are similar?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on March 22, 2015, 09:56:41 am
I guess Spock didn't have an answer for that one. The script has already been written for a third installment. How are 2d fighting games and a mediocre adventure game anything like Shenmue? I have no idea. I DO know that a third game should be created after hd releases of both of the first games. They would look amazing on the PS4 and X1. Perhaps even the WiiU. I guess Spock is trying to say hardly anyone from new generations would know about Shenmue to care about a third game, so maybe if the new game had a script for a game that you could understand without playing the first two games, then all intense gamers will be in love with it's dynamic story!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 22, 2015, 11:51:33 am
It pretty much goes back to what I said earlier. Either a HD release or perhaps a remaster where they alter the dated bits would be needed now. It's been too long.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 22, 2015, 02:16:56 pm
What do you consider dated?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 23, 2015, 01:49:08 am
Dated is probably the wrong word. I should have said to refine things.

Time skip in S1
tweak the controls so you don't need to hold a button down to run
Rewrite some of the script to not sound so wonky in the English translation
Get rid of that awful song when Ryo and Nazomi are on the bike
Lose some of the stiffness to the camera and Ryo's animation
No loading screens perhaps?
Improved lighting and some of the more minor textures.

I'm not sure exactly, but if a studio did remake Shenmue, they'd probably prefer to start from nothing but the design documents and character sheets etc. Messing around with the originals can be more tricky then it's worth.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on March 24, 2015, 11:16:58 am
Dated is probably the wrong word. I should have said to refine things.

Time skip in S1
tweak the controls so you don't need to hold a button down to run
Rewrite some of the script to not sound so wonky in the English translation
Get rid of that awful song when Ryo and Nazomi are on the bike
Lose some of the stiffness to the camera and Ryo's animation
No loading screens perhaps?
Improved lighting and some of the more minor textures.

I'm not sure exactly, but if a studio did remake Shenmue, they'd probably prefer to start from nothing but the design documents and character sheets etc. Messing around with the originals can be more tricky then it's worth.

As far as loading goes, I think the new consoles would definately get rid of most of the loading. The voices would need new actors, unless they use the same audio from the originals. Perhaps if Sega started making other things for the franchise too (like playing cards, etc), then that would help revive the series also.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 24, 2015, 02:40:37 pm
I kinda think that was the plan if the series took off. They couldn't really expect it to make it's money back quickly with something like this - nor would they if the 40/80 dev price tag is right. Technically, it actually sold really well on the dreamcast but its death sort of killed it from continuing I guess.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on March 24, 2015, 11:49:50 pm
Yes. I'm sure it will be a good idea to perhaps make Shenmue III into an entirely different story with the same characters. Maybe if someone like Ichiro were the new main character instead of Ryo, then it would make the new Shenmue much more interesting to new players. Well, I will agree with Spock on one thing. It's not the right time for Shenmue III. I'm not sure it would be a good idea without major advertising for other Shenmue related products and hd releases. It seems like Yu Suzuki may be thinking the same. Just read number ten on the link.

http://m.digitalspy.com/gaming/feature/a558875/shenmue-postmortem-10-revelations-from-yu-suzukis-gdc-2014-talk.html#~p7V3AeKcGyIoc8
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 25, 2015, 11:34:14 am
With Ichiro as the main character? Umm...

The story should not change. Media has examples of sequels coming out years, sometimes decades later than the original(s). It can happen, and any time could be the right time. I don't buy it for one second that today is a better or worse time for the Shenmue III to be released in regards to the market. The only thing that would hinder Shenmue III is what killed Shenmue IIx, which is that there is no recent foundation story wise. So, I do feel that rereleases or remakes would have to precede it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 25, 2015, 06:42:32 pm
Really, 3raser? I'm Sorry. I wasn't going to mention anything on this thread anymore, but now you've taken it way too far. Trading cards almost made me laugh. Who would want to play with cards that they didn't know anything about? People are mostly concerned about baseball card collecting, board games, and Pokemon cards when it comes to stuff like that. Having a sidekick for the main character would be a disaster like Hotel Mario. Imagine having a game called Batman: Gotham's Uprising, where you could only play as Robin. Who wants to play as Robin? They like Batman better. Ryo is not just some weird sidekick. He's the definition of the series. It's already a bad idea to make a third installment, but you're trying to say it should be made into a game that's as crazy and uninteresting as possible.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 25, 2015, 10:57:21 pm
And why is it a bad idea for Shenmue III, Spock? Evidence?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 26, 2015, 08:28:26 am
And why is it a bad idea for Shenmue III, Spock? Evidence?
Because within the past five years, Sega only releases crap.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on March 26, 2015, 08:47:36 am
Because within the past five years, Sega only releases crap.

Keep this up and I'm going to be out of a job on this forum!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on March 26, 2015, 09:33:47 am
Because within the past five years, Sega only releases crap.

2010 sucked. Wait, it was one of the best in recent memories: http://segabits.com/blog/2010/12/12/round-table-our-favorite-sega-games-of-2010/

But 2011 was such a shit year. Oh wait: http://segabits.com/blog/2011/12/31/round-table-our-favorite-sega-games-of-2011/

Well, 2012 was pure crap. Oh wait again: http://segabits.com/blog/2012/12/31/round-table-our-favorite-sega-games-of-2012/

Heh, well 2013 was absolute shit! Nevermind, not as strong as the last two years yet: http://segabits.com/blog/2013/12/31/segabits-round-table-our-favorite-sega-games-of-2013/

2014 was pretty bad, I will admit that. In terms of the past five years, however, I am struggling to see how SEGA only released "crap."
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on March 26, 2015, 10:17:36 am
Spock, y u hatin
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 26, 2015, 11:40:30 am
I'm not saying I lost hope in Sega. I'm sure they could release great games in the future. Most of the games (not all) that have been released in the past five years have been remakes of other games or games that are generally based towards children. Making an hd release for Shenmue II has already been done. Making one for the original would be odd because Sega should have done that before making the second game, if that is their plan. As far as making a third game, it would require a lot of money, a very large team, and Yu Suzuki would also need the "ok" from Sega. Does anyone else not think this is a bad idea? Why would Sega want a game series that they created specifically for their own consoles to be released on another companies console? It just wouldn't make sense. Especially after 15 years.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 26, 2015, 12:07:26 pm
I stick by my original post. Remaster the series, refine it and away it goes.

About Sega's output over the last few years...

I have to admit, I haven't been interested in some of the stuff they do release and sometimes even when I have, other more interesting games have grabbed my attention first. Sega has changed, but every now and then, they release something like Sega All Stars Racing or Sonic Generations that really grabs me.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 26, 2015, 12:11:58 pm
Because within the past five years, Sega only releases crap.

That makes...absolutely no sense. If everything SEGA released was considered by 100% of the world's population to be crap, then you might have a point. But guess what? It isn't.

I assume you are trying to make the argument that Shenmue III would see a drop in quality since you believe everything else SEGA has done has experienced the same drop. But again, that is a blind guess, and Yu Suzuki has a near perfect track record when it comes to video games.

I'm not saying I lost hope in Sega. I'm sure they could release great games in the future. Most of the games (not all) that have been released in the past five years have been remakes of other games or games that are generally based towards children. Making an hd release for Shenmue II has already been done. Making one for the original would be odd because Sega should have done that before making the second game, if that is their plan. As far as making a third game, it would require a lot of money, a very large team, and Yu Suzuki would also need the "ok" from Sega. Does anyone else not think this is a bad idea? Why would Sega want a game series that they created specifically for their own consoles to be released on another companies console? It just wouldn't make sense. Especially after 15 years.

No, most of the games are not rereleases or kids' games. If I wanted to, I could easily prove you wrong with the FACTUAL release list, but I'll leave it to you to do your own homework and see how horrendously off you are on this one.

An HD Shenmue II? You mean the North American version that was basically ported? They worked on that for less than a year. It's hardly an HD remake.

Your last three sentences finally are starting to make a little bit of sense. You see, SEGA, like all corporations, want to make money more than anything. If Shenmue sold like Sonic, you'd best believe that there'd be a yearly game, along with Shenmue Tennis, Shenmue Racing, Shenmue Rhythm Game, etc. It doesn't matter what console it was released on, they already broke that rule with Shenmue II on Xbox. They couldn't care less about the Dreamcast anymore when it comes to exclusivity. That thing is a decade and a half old.

Also, Suzuki has already said that SEGA is not the problem, it is the money. And he may not need the 300 member team that he used before, since a lot of the concepts Shenmue pioneered have been explored in other games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 26, 2015, 12:38:08 pm
Also, Suzuki has already said that SEGA is not the problem, it is the money. And he may not need the 300 member team that he used before, since a lot of the concepts Shenmue pioneered have been explored in other games.

If you watch Yu Suzuki's post mortem on Shenmue, it's pretty clear it wouldn't cost anywhere near as much as it did too. Most of the tools that are freely available now had to be built from scratch back then. Things like a night and day cycle was difficult, now though, unity can do that with ease.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on March 26, 2015, 01:49:40 pm
If you watch Yu Suzuki's post mortem on Shenmue, it's pretty clear it wouldn't cost anywhere near as much as it did too. Most of the tools that are freely available now had to be built from scratch back then. Things like a night and day cycle was difficult, now though, unity can do that with ease.

If it was that easy,  SEGA or Yu would have done it by now . It was still take a massive Team and millions to make a Shenmue game worthy of the series or Yu . I wouldn't worry it's not like SEGA is ever now going to make it and I can't see anyone coming in to fund a Shenmue III instead of SEGA.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 26, 2015, 03:00:17 pm
Erm, you should probably take a look at some of the games coming out right now to see you don't need millions or a huge team. The book of unwritten Tales, dreamfall chapters, Broken Sword, Sherlock Holmes, the raven etc are all fine examples of games that didn't have huge teams or financial backing to create.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on March 26, 2015, 03:26:53 pm
Erm, you should probably take a look at some of the games coming out right now to see you don't need millions or a huge team. The book of unwritten Tales, dreamfall chapters, Broken Sword, Sherlock Holmes, the raven etc are all fine examples of games that didn't have huge teams or financial backing to create.

They aren't Shenmue and play nothing at all like the game and if SEGA did Shenmue on the cheap its name would be even more inthe dirt . Shenmue 3 and 4 would take huge amount of effort time and a big number of staff  There's still some 10 chapters left to be told , God knows now many locations and characters to be modeled and what not. 

Even when you use middleware like Unreal , Havok and the like it doesn't come cheap most of Shenmue money went on manpower to make a game . Making a RPG  on the scale of Shenmue just doesn't come cheap . Look at Shenmue II even with the engine done all the gameplay done (as we could see on the Saturn) It still took SEGA a massive team and some 2 to years to complete the game . With Shenmue III there's next to nothing of the game done . It most prob a reason why SEGA won't go near it and why Yu Suzuki can't get the funding for the title .

And btw I have Sherlock Holmes on the PS3 :P
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 26, 2015, 03:36:20 pm
No, it wouldn't, but I don't think it would be anywhere near the numbers flying around for the originals and Yu Suzuki has said he can complete it in 3 games.

Couldn't the Yakuza engine pull this off now that I think of it? They're not the same game, but they do have some similarities.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on March 26, 2015, 05:39:18 pm
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No, it wouldn't, but I don't think it would be anywhere near the numbers flying around for the originals and Yu Suzuki has said he can complete it in 3 games.


RPG don't come cheap and a semi open world RPG like Shenmue would still take a huge number of staff . Its not so much the engine , but the staff needed to make a game like Shenmue . And if Yu cut it down by a huge ammont I guess he could make it just one game. But I rather Shenmue  saga was made the way it was meant to be and seeing as it took 2 games and some 6/7 gigs of data just to tell the story of some 4 chapters in a basic low res of 640X480 . Then there's little of chace of Shennue III alone being able to tell the story of the remaining 12 chapters in the high def world that is this and last gen consoles.


You'll be looking staffing numbers of 100 odd and at least 2 years of development time and that alone not come cheap 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on March 27, 2015, 08:43:47 am
^My point exactly.^

I like Shenmue & Shenmue II. They should be titles that don't have a sequel to them. Sure, the script is already written, but wouldn't it be a lot cheaper if it was turned into a book instead? Also, if the game was released, then why would you care what engine it was on anyway? You would just want to play it, right? I know that if it was released, I wouldn't play it because the idea would be too ridiculous. Of course, that's just my opinion. There would be maybe twenty who would play it, if that many.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on March 27, 2015, 10:52:54 am
What the hell Spock. So it makes sense that the sequel to a videogame is a book, but not a videogame? Because...

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 27, 2015, 11:33:39 am
^My point exactly.^

I like Shenmue & Shenmue II. They should be titles that don't have a sequel to them. Sure, the script is already written, but wouldn't it be a lot cheaper if it was turned into a book instead? Also, if the game was released, then why would you care what engine it was on anyway? You would just want to play it, right? I know that if it was released, I wouldn't play it because the idea would be too ridiculous. Of course, that's just my opinion. There would be maybe twenty who would play it, if that many.

Considering how many people bought it last time as an exclusive and on a dying console, I think the "twenty who would play it" comment goes straight out the window.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on March 27, 2015, 01:36:57 pm
With the Toejam and Earl kickstarter making 500k, Shenmue fans are saying "Imagine what Shenmue could get" on a similar campaign.

Not to be Debbie Downer but, I feel that TJ&E are far more popular than Shenmue. I don't really know how much Shenmue would make on kickstarter, but my outlook isn't positive.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 27, 2015, 02:05:26 pm
With the Toejam and Earl kickstarter making 500k, Shenmue fans are saying "Imagine what Shenmue could get" on a similar campaign.

Not to be Debbie Downer but, I feel that TJ&E are far more popular than Shenmue. I don't really know how much Shenmue would make on kickstarter, but my outlook isn't positive.

I know it's just your thoughts, but I'd strongly disagree with that. Whenever I talk about about classic Mega drive games or games for that matter, know one has ever brought up Toejam and earl for me - wheather that's online or not. Even when the KS was announced it seemed like it had a luke warm reception compared to the many other games people have tried to bring back. And compared to other KS' s, it took a long time to raise that money really.

I suppose the issue with Shenmue going that route is how much would it need. I stand by my orginal post and say it wouldn't cost as much as it did back then, but as pointed out by TM, it would still cost a bit.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on March 27, 2015, 02:19:32 pm
I think Shenmue fans are more vocal than TJ&E fans, mainly because the Shenmue fans want closure. I do think if the TJ&E Kickstarter didn't happen, it wouldn't be as heartbreaking to fans as the possibility and then failure of a Shenmue III. But I do think Toejam and Earl is more recognizable and has sold more games than Shenmue (and both franchises have had three games, so it would be interesting to see if somebody could actually compare sales of the two franchises).
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on March 27, 2015, 02:32:53 pm
Anyone know what the sales were like for TJ&E? I'll admit, while I knew of the games I never played them back in the day. I honestly don't know how big TJ&E is compared to Shenmue, but I also feel like they might just have more general appeal as well? Like it's more likely the kickstarter crowd would back TJ&E rather than Shenmue had they known about neither.

Don't forget Shenmue has crazy ass fans who would donate $10k plus each.

I personally would probably slap down $1k if the reward was good enough.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on March 27, 2015, 02:39:54 pm
Less than a million for sure. But the issue with most Genesis games, its not really about how many people bought them now its about how many people played it and became fans.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on March 27, 2015, 02:44:33 pm
I know Greg told us the sequel sold as much as the original, but I'm not sure how much the original sold.

that is a good point, Shenmue fans may not be as numerous as they (or we) think but I could totally see people plunking down thousands towards it. I'd probably give $500-$1k, depending on the rewards.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on March 27, 2015, 02:53:26 pm
Many fans in the past have probably just given up, but if a Kickstarter was announced, that might persuade them to come back into the loop of it all. Guess we'll never really know unless that route is taken.

Shenmue 1 & 2 did sell really well on release after all.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on March 27, 2015, 02:57:17 pm
that is a good point, Shenmue fans may not be as numerous as they (or we) think but I could totally see people plunking down thousands towards it. I'd probably give $500-$1k, depending on the rewards.
Even so, I doubt a handful of crazies could get the same as a deluge of small donations.

I think it would really come down to attracting new people more than anything. The fact that Shenmue would be a sequel might turn off potential supporters, whereas TJ&E is relatively standalone right?

Also TJ&E has that off the wall wacky look that appeals to the indy market and supporters, Shenmue is a harder sell.
"So it's this super slow paced, story driven game..."
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on March 27, 2015, 03:04:29 pm
Not to mention some of the stuff that it pioneered is now taken for granted. Cycling day/night weather, more cinematic story, qtes.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on March 27, 2015, 03:08:27 pm
Even just being fully voice acted blew my mind.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on March 29, 2015, 04:44:34 pm
I found this:

http://www.pushsquare.com/tags/Shenmue

This is great news. I think that means we will definately have a Shenmue III eventually. Even if it happens in the year 2030!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on March 30, 2015, 08:20:59 am
I found this:

http://www.pushsquare.com/tags/Shenmue

This is great news. I think that means we will definately have a Shenmue III eventually. Even if it happens in the year 2030!

It looks very nice, but it's just a fan remaking parts of Shenmue 1 in HD...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on March 31, 2015, 04:31:44 pm
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Not to mention some of the stuff that it pioneered is now taken for granted. Cycling day/night weather, more cinematic story, qtes


Yes I agree though the likes of Zelda N64 did the day night cycle 1st I guess .


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Even just being fully voice acted blew my mind


Yes it was amazing but really Popful Mail and Magic Knight Rayearth (Japan version) beat Shenmue to having ever charcater in the game having a speaking part . For me what was so amazing in Shenmue was almost ever detail was so dam perfect and its magic weather system when there snow would build up , was just at the time .

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on March 31, 2015, 07:44:24 pm
Though unlike Zelda, Shenmue used weather that was accurate to the real dates. Was that ever done before?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on March 31, 2015, 08:25:00 pm
Did Popful Mail and Magic Knight Rayearth have 300-600 characters, though?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on April 01, 2015, 02:08:03 am
Did Popful Mail and Magic Knight Rayearth have 300-600 characters, though?

600 ? . I don't think any single Shenmue game had that either . I'm just pointing out that in the Japanese version of Magic Knight Rayearth every character inthe game had a speaking part and spoke and it was one of the 1st games to do that and was quite amazing at the time even if it was in Japaese.

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Though unlike Zelda, Shenmue used weather that was accurate to the real dates. Was that ever done before



Well for starters Zelda didnt really feature a magic weather system-it just had the day to night cycle and Saga had that to a degree too I guess . Shenmue weather system was a true 1st inthe way that it rain and snow was able to build up on screen I can't remember any game doing that not even on the the PC at the time (though I'm sure there was one) .
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on April 01, 2015, 10:31:24 am
600 ? . I don't think any single Shenmue game had that either . I'm just pointing out that in the Japanese version of Magic Knight Rayearth every character inthe game had a speaking part and spoke and it was one of the 1st games to do that and was quite amazing at the time even if it was in Japaese.

Fair enough. Though Shenmue II actually had 700 characters, as painstakingly chronicled back at the Dojo years back. Info was listed from the Shenmue II Perfect Guide Book in Japan.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on April 01, 2015, 10:32:37 am
Though unlike Zelda, Shenmue used weather that was accurate to the real dates. Was that ever done before?
I believe there was also the option to turn that on or off right? So you could have randomized or 'story matching' weather or something?

I do remember reading about the weather being accurate before it came out, what a game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on April 02, 2015, 04:44:10 pm
Sorry, there are actually 701 characters. Check it: http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=45398&p=1083202#p1082973
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on April 03, 2015, 02:51:31 am
Well I stand corrected . Thought  SOJ offcial line was 350- to 500 full vocied NPC's, 1200 rooms and 150 musical pieces for the Shenmue project.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on April 03, 2015, 05:49:22 pm
There are definitely WAY more than 150 pieces of music. More characters, though admittedly some are extras and not voiced. Room wise, I think that might be even a little low. BlueMue over at the Dojo does have the Kowloon building tours o his YouTube channel, but I would not want to count all of those rooms.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on April 13, 2015, 12:27:09 am
Did anyone else see the Shenmue Minecraft creation video? I was thinking, if they could make that with just one person, then why can't they make the new game with 3,000 people? Sure, it would cost money. Every other game does though. Shenmue III could be very profitable, if Sega makes the game right.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on April 14, 2015, 08:58:18 am
Did anyone else see the Shenmue Minecraft creation video? I was thinking, if they could make that with just one person, then why can't they make the new game with 3,000 people? Sure, it would cost money. Every other game does though. Shenmue III could be very profitable, if Sega makes the game right.
Minecraft is babby. Shenmue is not babby.

:(
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on April 19, 2015, 03:24:05 pm
I don't care how rare or underrated a new Shenmue game would be. I WILL play it if it's released. I would even pay $1,000 for it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Mengels7 on April 19, 2015, 11:03:31 pm
I don't care how rare or underrated a new Shenmue game would be. I WILL play it if it's released. I would even pay $1,000 for it.

Yeah but there isn't a single game I want more than Shenmue III and I wouldn't pay more than $250, and that would have to be some ultra souped up collector's edition.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on April 20, 2015, 02:46:34 am
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(from episode 98 of Gintama, aired in 2008, still relevant)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on April 20, 2015, 04:34:03 am
SEGA isn't going to make or fund a Shenmue III and IV . People should just get over it now sadly
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on April 20, 2015, 09:44:23 am
SEGA isn't going to make or fund a Shenmue III and IV . People should just get over it now sadly

Quiet you Baka! I bet they are working on Shenmue Runners right now, exclusive to iOS and Android. Steam release coming in 2017.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on April 21, 2015, 10:22:37 am
SEGA isn't going to make or fund a Shenmue III and IV . People should just get over it now sadly

I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe SEGA won't...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on April 21, 2015, 11:44:12 am
I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe SEGA won't...
I hope it comes out on the CreamCast.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on April 29, 2015, 05:33:58 pm
If it miraculously did get a release date, I don't see how they could make the game. I mean, what engine would it use?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on April 30, 2015, 08:25:12 am
If it miraculously did get a release date, I don't see how they could make the game. I mean, what engine would it use?
Whichever one they wanted?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on April 30, 2015, 10:07:09 pm
If it miraculously did get a release date, I don't see how they could make the game. I mean, what engine would it use?

I already said previously that they would most likely use Unreal Engine 4. Though, it would be nice to see it on Luminous. Like Mademan said, it's really Sega's decision. Barry the Nomad, what are your thoughts on the engine?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on April 30, 2015, 10:39:38 pm
Luminous is a OK engine. Doubt Square will release it to other companies (and why would they want it?) Why not just use something like Unreal 4 or Unity? They are multipurpose engines that do anything a developer would need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMY7I_eHjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzlRNNRdC8

Or they can use the in-house engine from Alien: Isolation, I thought the environments in that game where pretty sweet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6zv1_amkFU
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 01, 2015, 02:13:48 am
Why do people think its the engine that the issue ? . The Shenmue engine for both the Saturn and DC versions was in place very early in . That is not is holding this game back at all , I mean to save money SEGA could just use the Yakuza engine . What holding this game back is the main power and money needed to make Shenmue III and IV to finish the story . You're looking at a team of 100 to 200 and quite a few years to finish the job and for a series  that sold less than 2 million copies on 2 different platforms, its not going to happen, more so as SammySEGA have little interest in making games anymore
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: 3raser on May 01, 2015, 07:30:29 pm
Sega made a large profit from Shenmue. If they didn't, why would they have made Shenmue II? I admit that the sequel did not earn Sega as much money. This is only for the reason of a dying console. Sega has been a software company ever since. Engines do matter. Without an engine the game would not work at all. The Yakuza engine is not the same type of engine that the originals were from. The engines they were from were Unreal 1 & 2. I only suggested Luminous because the graphics look the best. Even saying that, I think it would be a bad idea. It would be the second best engine though. Why do you think Sega would have to make Shenmue IV? They could just have two games together.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 01, 2015, 09:05:29 pm
I don't know, I guess maybe whatever Yakuza 5 runs on (I know past games ran on Magical-V Engine) or a modified Virtua Fighter engine assuming VF6 is in development and has a new or modified engine.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 01, 2015, 09:58:22 pm
Hummm SEGA said they would need to sell Shenmue 1 twice to every single Dreamcast owner to turn profit. Let's say at the time it was a conservative 5 million units out, that would mean 10 million sold. I think they did 2 because AM2 worked on both at the same time, if you see Saturn development, they also show footage of 2.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 02, 2015, 09:10:29 am
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Sega made a large profit from Shenmue. If they didn't, why would they have made Shenmue II? I


SEGA made no money from Shenmue project that why it was canned and SEGA don't want to go anywhere near it .


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Why do you think Sega would have to make Shenmue IV?


There's 10 chapters left to be told and it took SEGA some 7 years and 2 games to tell just 4 chapters  that's why ...

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Post by: pcm92 on May 03, 2015, 06:14:30 pm

SEGA made no money from Shenmue project that why it was canned and SEGA don't want to go anywhere near it .



There's 10 chapters left to be told and it took SEGA some 7 years and 2 games to tell just 4 chapters  that's why ...



In that case, Sega could make 3 & 4 on handheld consoles. I was once skeptic of another Shenmue title, until I thought of this. There are hardly any good games on PS Vita as far as this year so far, so I'm sure Shenmue 3 & 4 would sell like hot cakes.
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Post by: Team Andromeda on May 04, 2015, 12:28:07 am
In that case, Sega could make 3 & 4 on handheld consoles. I was once skeptic of another Shenmue title, until I thought of this. There are hardly any good games on PS Vita as far as this year so far, so I'm sure Shenmue 3 & 4 would sell like hot cakes.

You may have missed it, but most games don't sell that great (even in Japan) which is why all the major developers have given up on the system, even SONY. 
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Post by: MadeManG74 on May 04, 2015, 09:23:08 am
Hummm SEGA said they would need to sell Shenmue 1 twice to every single Dreamcast owner to turn profit. Let's say at the time it was a conservative 5 million units out, that would mean 10 million sold. I think they did 2 because AM2 worked on both at the same time, if you see Saturn development, they also show footage of 2.

From my understanding, they saw the loss on the first game as an investment, since this was meant to be their 'Annual series' or at least their next killer IP. It was meant to launch the series to be something like Final Fantasy, or for modern reference, an Assassin's Creed or CoD style property.
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Post by: Team Andromeda on May 05, 2015, 03:01:04 am
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From my understanding, they saw the loss on the first game as an investment, since this was meant to be their 'Annual series' or at least their next killer IP


Shenmue has it developed,  was made to sell the DC . I still have a interview with Yu Suzuki and he said Shenmue (the 1st game) needed to sell over a million copies to pay for its budget of $25 million dollars (JP version alone)
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Post by: 3raser on May 06, 2015, 02:38:35 am
In that case, Sega could make 3 & 4 on handheld consoles. I was once skeptic of another Shenmue title, until I thought of this. There are hardly any good games on PS Vita as far as this year so far, so I'm sure Shenmue 3 & 4 would sell like hot cakes.

I don't know of anyone who owns a PS Vita or even a 3DS. Handheld consoles are not nearly selling as much as they did fiveteen years ago. We now have games on smartphones and tablets.

There's 10 chapters left to be told and it took SEGA some 7 years and 2 games to tell just 4 chapters  that's why ...

It didn't take seven years between the two games. The Dreamcast lasted in North America for only two and a half years. If you mean the entire writing of it, then does that stop Yu Suzuki from continuing the story? He already has the rest of the story. He even said multiple times that he is considering a new Shenmue creation. I'm sure he would not mind making his last story shorter than intended, if he has to.
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Post by: Team Andromeda on May 06, 2015, 07:30:50 am
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It didn't take seven years between the two games. The Dreamcast lasted in North America for only two and a half years.


The Shenmue Project started life in 1994 on the Saturn and Shenmue II came out in 2001 . 7+ years in total and over 70 million dollars spent


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He even said multiple times that he is considering a new Shenmue creation


And no-one is coming up the with money , which tells its own story never mind that Shenmue City flopped on the mobile . I like Shenmue series to be made and finished the way it was meant too. Not some cutdown cheap version which fans will hate and make people hate SEGA all the more
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on May 06, 2015, 05:10:29 pm
I still have a interview with Yu Suzuki and he said Shenmue (the 1st game) needed to sell over a million copies to pay for its budget of $25 million dollars (JP version alone)

I'd be interested in seeing that interview.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 07, 2015, 12:40:06 am
I'd be interested in seeing that interview.

It was in a Japan DC mag and then translated for the English press by the likes of Total Control , just after SEGA share price dropped on the news that Shenmue would miss its planned October 1999 date. Yu Suzuki then talked about the game a little on the Shenmue passport and how the game would need to sell a million copies to pay back it costs.
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Post by: Nathan on May 07, 2015, 08:14:25 pm
Do you have a copy of it, digital, or hard?
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Post by: Team Andromeda on May 09, 2015, 02:44:39 am
Do you have a copy of it, digital, or hard?

This is back in 1999 its Hard . I still have my Total control mags and all that stored away up the garage . One day I'll pull them out and scan it. I may try and scan the Offical DC mag interview where Kat's Saito also confirmed the $70 Million price tag for Shenmue production 
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Post by: Berto on May 13, 2015, 01:27:44 am
And in this "from far far away" article we skip Shen Mue 3... and go into Shen Mue 4 instead. LOL  :))

http://autoomobile.com/news/doom-4-fallout-4-shenmue-4-bethesda-at-e3-all-potential-reveals/10021119/

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Post by: MadeManG74 on May 13, 2015, 08:31:41 am
I would legit love Sega to release Shenmue 4 just for laughs.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 16, 2015, 01:54:05 am
Would it not be Shenmue 6? Then 5? Then 4? I know he only wrote 4. I just thought since Star Wars went 4,5,6,1,2,3, and now 7, it would be mixed up like that. Who was it that suggested Shenmue III and Shenmue IV to be released on handheld consoles only again? That's not really a bad idea.
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Post by: pcm92 on May 17, 2015, 09:44:29 am
Would it not be Shenmue 6? Then 5? Then 4? I know he only wrote 4. I just thought since Star Wars went 4,5,6,1,2,3, and now 7, it would be mixed up like that. Who was it that suggested Shenmue III and Shenmue IV to be released on handheld consoles only again? That's not really a bad idea.
I posted that. I still don't see it being extremely likely, unless perhaps someone like Sony bought Sega.

http://n4g.com/news/1663347/sony-buy-sega-get-these-12-dynamite-games-on-ps4-and-vita
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Post by: Spock on May 19, 2015, 04:56:37 am
Sony buying Sega? I haven't seen a topic like that in two years. I used to be on forums.sega.com
I think that one said something about either Nintendo, Sony, or Toshiba buying Sega. I just don't see why any company would buy Sega. Not unless it's EA games. They swallow every bankrupt third party company. Having said that, I doubt EA would care about Shenmue. Their main focus would be more terrible Sonic games. As far as Shenmue, the only way I see it happening is either through handheld consoles or if Yu Suzuki secretly has enough money and a large team to construct it even if Sega didn't help him.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on May 19, 2015, 04:51:58 pm
It's happening!!!...


http://www.gamepur.com/news/18890-square-enix-and-sega-releasing-shenmue-i-ii-remastered-shenmue-iii-ps4-and.html


http://gamestalk.net/shenmue/


...Maybe.
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Post by: Trippled on May 19, 2015, 05:11:45 pm
Sony buying Sega? I haven't seen a topic like that in two years. I used to be on forums.sega.com
I think that one said something about either Nintendo, Sony, or Toshiba buying Sega. I just don't see why any company would buy Sega. Not unless it's EA games. They swallow every bankrupt third party company. Having said that, I doubt EA would care about Shenmue. Their main focus would be more terrible Sonic games. As far as Shenmue, the only way I see it happening is either through handheld consoles or if Yu Suzuki secretly has enough money and a large team to construct it even if Sega didn't help him.

I guess some people still don't get the memo that Sega got bought way back in 2003....
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 19, 2015, 05:18:20 pm
It's happening!!!...


http://www.gamepur.com/news/18890-square-enix-and-sega-releasing-shenmue-i-ii-remastered-shenmue-iii-ps4-and.html


http://gamestalk.net/shenmue/


...Maybe.
WHAT IS THIS
WHY AM I SO HYPE
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 19, 2015, 07:44:11 pm
More false Shenmue rumors, its like a yearly thing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 19, 2015, 08:39:54 pm
This time it's true. 14th time's the charm
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on May 20, 2015, 04:33:45 am
A photo of a blurry teaser image taken at an angle? Clearly this is the most true and legit sign of Shenmue stuff yet.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 20, 2015, 06:04:07 am
A photo of a blurry teaser image taken at an angle? Clearly this is the most true and legit sign of Shenmue stuff yet.
Why would anyone lie on tue internet
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 20, 2015, 08:44:29 am
Square Enix!?

Also where is that image taken from, it just mentions an image but not where or what it's taken from.

Square Enix!?

It does look like Ryo's jacket, and the petals are reminiscent of Shenmue but where is the image from?

SQUARE
FUCKING
ENIX!?!?!

Why Squeenix? Is this going to be a Thi4f situation where they fuck up the series beyond all repair?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 20, 2015, 10:30:07 am
Here's my issue with the image. That isn't from some panel presentation, that is from a computer monitor. Notice how one shot is from below, but then one is magically from above. If this was some panel, did the photographer magically float to the ceiling and snap a photo? And if it is on a computer screen... save out the original image. There is no reason to take photos of a computer like that. Also, SEGA and Square? lol

Oh, and PS4 and Steam but no Xbox feels like a fanboy picking their preferred platforms for this fake leak.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on May 20, 2015, 12:37:19 pm
Here's my issue with the image. That isn't from some panel presentation, that is from a computer monitor. Notice how one shot is from below, but then one is magically from above. If this was some panel, did the photographer magically float to the ceiling and snap a photo? And if it is on a computer screen... save out the original image. There is no reason to take photos of a computer like that. Also, SEGA and Square? lol

Oh, and PS4 and Steam but no Xbox feels like a fanboy picking their preferred platforms for this fake leak.

That's what I was asking, nobody can source the original picture or give any context to it.

As for the PS4 + Steam, that actually would make sense since Sony+Sega have been rumoured to be teaming up, and Sony will fund stuff that Sega doesn't want to touch anymore, eg Yakuza 5 translation.
There's also precedence with Street Fighter V.
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Post by: SuperSonicEX on May 20, 2015, 04:35:46 pm
Yea, they have been working closer these days (plus Yu Suzuki has been hanging around with Mark Cerny, though they are friends) so it MIGHT BE possible, but didn't Sony mention that there are numerous rights issue with Shenmue (or at least with the older games. which I think they would need to re-introduce the series to audiences after so long?).
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 20, 2015, 05:07:25 pm
There are always rumors about the game just before every E3. Another company buying Shenmue III or Sega itself (again) would be highly unlikely. Especially in this point of time. Yu Suzuki could release handheld Shenmue III games or just books. Those two options are more likely. Still doubtful. I DO think those are the only ways though. Square Enix had too many good games to be worried about buying a company that hasn't recently released anything good. Besides, that doesn't hardly even look like Ryo.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 20, 2015, 05:10:11 pm
This isn't going to happen, I do know that SEGA has been trying to get a Shenmue HD port off its feet for awhile but the issue isn't going to be solved with Squeer co-publishing it.
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Post by: Randroid on May 20, 2015, 05:45:11 pm
This isn't going to happen, I do know that SEGA has been trying to get a Shenmue HD port off its feet for awhile but the issue isn't going to be solved with Squeer co-publishing it.

I'd have to disagree. The fact that Sony and SE are involved is the only thing to me that lends credence to the image.

Also, SE has a better RPG publishing track record (sales, not quality) than SEGA. It would be a smart move to co-publish a risky Japanese title like Shenmue with them.

Also, SE has a conference for E3 this year. This would easily be a huge hype machine for them. Can't think of any legacy game that would get more hype from than a remaster of Shenmue.

If this is all a hoax, this is the best one I've seen yet as far as timing and implications.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 20, 2015, 07:06:09 pm
I'd have to disagree. The fact that Sony and SE are involved is the only thing to me that lends credence to the image.

Also, SE has a better RPG publishing track record (sales, not quality) than SEGA. It would be a smart move to co-publish a risky Japanese title like Shenmue with them.

Also, SE has a conference for E3 this year. This would easily be a huge hype machine for them. Can't think of any legacy game that would get more hype from than a remaster of Shenmue.

If this is all a hoax, this is the best one I've seen yet as far as timing and implications.
I agree with all of this.
A SE-backed Shenmue would be an astonishing success, SE RPGs are hyped beyond imagination.
The only thing to generate more hype would be a FF7 remake.

On Yu Suzuki, doesn't he have the story in book form hidden away in case he dies before completing the games?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: pcm92 on May 20, 2015, 07:43:28 pm
It's not happening yet. It's not on any major news site. It definitely would be if it were announced by Yu Suzuki.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/vertical/entertainment

Also, check out the photo attachment.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 20, 2015, 07:48:11 pm
pcm92, E3 hasn't happened yet. He wouldn't announce it before E3. Nevertheless, he probably wouldn't annonce it at all. It would depend on if he has the ideas that I have or something else up his sleeve that's even better.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 20, 2015, 10:09:20 pm
This isn't real.  Don't be gullible.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on May 21, 2015, 02:49:58 am
The person who made the fake responded to sites reporting on his obvious fake: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164556603&postcount=5137
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Post by: Randroid on May 21, 2015, 03:49:49 am
The person who made the fake responded to sites reporting on his obvious fake: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164556603&postcount=5137

Ooooh that hurts sooo much.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 21, 2015, 06:27:43 am
The person who made the fake responded to sites reporting on his obvious fake: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164556603&postcount=5137
What if THIS GIF is fake, and it's all a ruse to make us believe Shenmue isn't coming at all when it is?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 21, 2015, 03:41:26 pm
Jesus Crackdude, you really wanna believe.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 21, 2015, 03:47:35 pm
You better believe it bud.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 22, 2015, 04:36:18 am
It depends on how often Yu Suzuki appears more often. If he appears or doesn't appear more often, then he's probably developing a new title. This might be obvious, I just don't keep up with stuff like this. Has Sega had Shenmue characters crossed into other games yet?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 22, 2015, 04:49:55 am
Did you play Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 22, 2015, 08:23:27 am
Sega purposely leaked a fake photo to get our guard down, so at E3 they will reveal their new console, the Sega Renegade. It'll have Shenmue III as a launch title as well as Sonic Adventure 3 and Virtua Fighter vs Valiant Comics: New Generation of Heroes.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 22, 2015, 10:42:22 am
Sega purposely leaked a fake photo to get our guard down, so at E3 they will reveal their new console, the Sega Renegade. It'll have Shenmue III as a launch title as well as Sonic Adventure 3 and Virtua Fighter vs Valiant Comics: New Generation of Heroes.
A man can dream
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Post by: JohnOfRage on May 22, 2015, 04:15:16 pm
Actually, to be fair, a new Shenmue game now would probably cost about as much as a Yakuza game. Problem is that SEGA knows Yakuza games sell enough for them to make their money back, while for a new Shenmue game this isn't certain. Especially seeing how long it's been since the last Shenmue game.
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^ This is very true, also the game didn't sell much because it was extremely advance for it's time. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 22, 2015, 04:21:56 pm
Actually, to be fair, a new Shenmue game now would probably cost about as much as a Yakuza game. Problem is that SEGA knows Yakuza games sell enough for them to make their money back, while for a new Shenmue game this isn't certain. Especially seeing how long it's been since the last Shenmue game.


^ This is very true, also the game didn't sell much because it was extremely advance for it's time. 

It didn't sell much because it was on the Dreamcast. And even that isn't entirely true, it's one of the best selling Dreamcast games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 22, 2015, 07:17:40 pm
The game was also on Xbox and sold horribly. All I'm going to say if it couldn't outsell Sonic Adventure and Crazy Taxi arcade port; even with the HUGE marketing budget it had for the first game, chances are bringing it back isn't going to do half that number.
Sega purposely leaked a fake photo to get our guard down, so at E3 they will reveal their new console, the Sega Renegade. It'll have Shenmue III as a launch title as well as Sonic Adventure 3 and Virtua Fighter vs Valiant Comics: New Generation of Heroes.

(http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/06/the-summer-of-valiant-review-bloodshot-100867.jpg)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 22, 2015, 08:36:01 pm
Did you play Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed?
No. I'm just not into racing games. I don't like the new Sonic related games either. Sonic is cool. I just haven't liked new releases ever since Sonic '06 and Sonic Unleashed.
The game was also on Xbox and sold horribly. All I'm going to say if it couldn't outsell Sonic Adventure and Crazy Taxi arcade port; even with the HUGE marketing budget it had for the first game, chances are bringing it back isn't going to do half that number.
(http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/06/the-summer-of-valiant-review-bloodshot-100867.jpg)
Most of the population in the U.S. have never heard of Shenmue. I know a lot of Sega fans out there that have. Just not people who have more important things to do than study old video game franchises. I'm not sure how much money a new Shenmue game (or two Shenmue games) would make. I don't think Sega would lose money though. What's wrong with Handheld only games after Shenmue one and two get new HD releases on consoles? At least Sega would know if new games would make a lot of money by releasing cheaper versions on handhelds, right?
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Post by: George on May 22, 2015, 09:56:12 pm
No. I'm just not into racing games. I don't like the new Sonic related games either. Sonic is cool. I just haven't liked new releases ever since Sonic '06 and Sonic Unleashed. Most of the population in the U.S. have never heard of Shenmue. I know a lot of Sega fans out there that have. Just not people who have more important things to do than study old video game franchises. I'm not sure how much money a new Shenmue game (or two Shenmue games) would make. I don't think Sega would lose money though. What's wrong with Handheld only games after Shenmue one and two get new HD releases on consoles? At least Sega would know if new games would make a lot of money by releasing cheaper versions on handhelds, right?
That is a great game, I'm a bit surprised meeting a SEGA fan that doesn't like racing games, you are missing out on some gems there. SEGA did racing games really well .

So you think they should make 3 and know that no one knows about the game and your aware that the game had a huge marketing budget? It failed then, why would a company reinvest in something that so few people liked and cost them so much? Why not, I don't know, move forward and make better IPs?

SEGA has been trying to get a HD port off the ground and are being hindered due to legalities with some companies over middleware usage or something.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 23, 2015, 02:25:56 pm
It didn't sell much because it was on the Dreamcast. And even that isn't entirely true, it's one of the best selling Dreamcast games.

The 1st game sold well , the sequel sold like crap both on the DC and the XBox and that's the simple reason why SEGA or anyone else doesn't want to go near the game .


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SEGA has been trying to get a HD port off the ground and are being hindered due to legalities with some companies over middleware usage or something.


Doubt it . Shenmue Tech was all SEGA's other than CSK Middleware for ADX . I bet the real reason why SEGA won't put up the HD ports is becasue it will get people hopes up for Shenmue III and SEGA just wants to let the IP die and no doubt one of the reasosn why SEGA didn't bother with the trademark renewal
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 23, 2015, 02:59:06 pm
If they didn't want Shenmue III hope they wouldn't allow all these companies to make official clothing, records and have him in other games like All-Stars Racing.
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Post by: Team Andromeda on May 24, 2015, 02:20:49 pm
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If they didn't want Shenmue III hope they wouldn't allow all these companies to make official clothing, records and have him in other games like All-Stars Racing


What corp is going to turn down royalties thanks to  merchandise on old IP - I know of no corp that would do that and for sure not the money loving SAMMY . Also having cameo's means nothing - We had loads in SEGA games and most of the time SEGA will never use the IP again in a major game .


IF SEGA Really wanted to make a Shenmue III they would have done so by now . They don't and the IP is dead
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 24, 2015, 03:44:23 pm
I mean't that SEGA isn't NOT making Shenmue I and II HD ports because they think people will ask for Shenmue III. That makes no sense. Its most likely because those HD ports will cost more than NiGHTS and JSR HD, which probably didn't sell enough to make a bigger game like Shenmue happen.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on May 24, 2015, 09:40:57 pm
Well, Sega hasn't really been focusing on too many of its good franchises lately. I think cross-references are fine. I just think they should think back to some of their better franchises and continue some of those. For example, their alien series is a failure as well as making those Sonic games I was mentioning. What happened to Burning Rangers, Cadillacs And Dinosaurs, Comix Zone, Crazy Taxi, Fantasy Star,  Guardian Heros, Nights, Panzer Dragoon, Skies Of Arcadia, Shadow Man, Streets Of Rage, or Virtua Fighter? I liked those games. They should make more like those. Either that or make sequels. Anyone else agree? I know that Shenmue was the best Dreamcast game. It's just that I think if they are going to bring Shenmue back, then they should bring those back too.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 25, 2015, 04:52:21 am
When has SEGA focused on their franchises before? I dunno what company you followed, but SEGA has always made sequels sparingly. Was it good business? I don't know. But would funding Shenmue III at the time have been good business. Fuck no. Honestly surprised any company, being in the financial situation that SEGA was in, would put so much capital into one game that would have to sell x2 copies to each console owner to break even.

SEGA would have done better if they made smaller, funnier games like Crazy Taxi aimed a broader audience, Shenmue was to get the RPG fans and it didn't get them beause its not like 'JRPGs' at the time at all. Its a experience and honestly a show of how advance AM2 could take the Dreamcast. Basically.

You say what happen to x game, well it came out and you enjoyed it. Like a beautifully piece of music you have it there to listen and enjoy. I think telling a team with new 'tools' and standards to make a game like 'comix zone 2' is just selfish. I want SEGA to have more Japanese games and create new IPs so new kids and adults can play the games and say "Wow, I want more of that".

SEGA always stayed, amazed, mic dropped and moved on to another franchise that did the same. Saying "I want another Comix Zone' really should be: "I want SEGA to make new IPs that where as good as Comix Zone' and not really " I want a new Comix Zone just because thats what I want"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 25, 2015, 04:58:56 am
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When has SEGA focused on their franchises before? I dunno what company you followed, but SEGA has always made sequels sparingly. Was it good business? I don't know.


Not in the MD and Saturn era .
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I mean't that SEGA isn't NOT making Shenmue I and II HD ports because they think people will ask for Shenmue III


Oh I agree . There is no point going anywhere near Shenmue I and II if you don't intend to make part III. People should just get over it now, Shenmue III is never going to happen really .


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Well, Sega hasn't really been focusing on too many of its good franchises lately.


SEGA hasn't been making many games of late and not very good ones imo
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Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 25, 2015, 05:14:08 am
How many sequels to master system games did the Genesis have? How many sequels to Genesis games did the Saturn have? Not very much at all. Not enough to pretend SEGA always continued their franchise and something happen in 2008 that they just 'stopped'
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nathan on May 25, 2015, 07:23:49 am
This is back in 1999 its Hard . I still have my Total control mags and all that stored away up the garage . One day I'll pull them out and scan it. I may try and scan the Offical DC mag interview where Kat's Saito also confirmed the $70 Million price tag for Shenmue production 

I'd be interested in seeing that. YS originally said it cost $70 million, and then clarified a few years ago at TGS that it was actually $45 million.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 25, 2015, 08:52:06 am
I'd be interested in seeing that. YS originally said it cost $70 million, and then clarified a few years ago at TGS that it was actually $45 million.

It wasn't just Yu who said it cost $70 Million dollars but also staff inside SEGA. Yu was just desprate to get the sequel made and I bet the $45 million was what it cost AM#2 to developed the 2 Shenmue games for the DC and it excludes the PR push with cost SEGA millions alone. 


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How many sequels to master system games did the Genesis have


No many seeing as the MS was a bit of a flop in Japan and the USA. Mega Drive and Saturn days were a bit different and to a point the DC days too..


For the Mega Drive we had sequesl to SOR, VectorMan, Shinning series, Sonic, PS, Toe Jam & Earl, Joe Montana, Mickey Mouse series, Shinobi series, Wonderboy series, Golden Axe series, Super Monaco, Ecco Series and so on . On the Saturn were had sequels to the Shinning series, Story Of Thor, World Wide Soccer, NHL, World Series Basball, Sakura Wars, Panzer Dragoon, VF, VC, Dragon Force, Bug, Decatlete and so on . On the saturn well again we had sequels to Sonic, Sakura Wars, Space Channel 5, Lets Make a Series, Get Bass Series, Shenmue , Virtual Fighter, Fighting Vipers, Die Hard Arcade, House of the Dead, Virtual On, Virtual Tennis , NBA 2k, NFL 2k, Crazy Taxi , Sega Rally [size=78%]  [/size]



Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on May 25, 2015, 10:06:50 am
It wasn't just Yu who said it cost $70 Million dollars but also staff inside SEGA. Yu was just desprate to get the sequel made and I bet the $45 million was what it cost AM#2 to developed the 2 Shenmue games for the DC and it excludes the PR push with cost SEGA millions alone. 

Sorry TA, I know you're really convinced of that $70 million figure but there's no way that Sega spent $25 million on marketing (to make up the difference from Yu Suzuki's $45 million figure). Not in 2000-2001 and not today is that much cash spent on marketing. AAA games today might have a marketing budget of $10 million.

Personally I take Suzuki's word of a $45 million budget, spoken in retrospect with an eye toward convincing present day publishers to invest, over a magazine and various Sega "staffers" during a PR push who were liable to exaggerate figures to build up hype.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 25, 2015, 10:53:41 am

(http://Picture of Bloodshot)

I would main Shadowman & Wolf. Shit would be awesome.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 25, 2015, 11:13:12 am
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I know you're really convinced of that $70 million figure but there's no way that Sega spent $25 million on marketing


That is what most of the big corps would spend on pushing a game and don't forget that Shenmue had lasvish PR push in Japan. 


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AAA games today might have a marketing budget of $10 million


 Capcom spend $20 million  on pushing Lost Planet alone  , SEGA America spend $24 million on pushing Sonic III alone


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Personally I take Suzuki's word of a $45 million budget, spoken in retrospect with an eye toward convincing present day publishers t


You want it personally from Yu ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXVco0Bkyk

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on May 25, 2015, 11:46:32 am


You want it personally from Yu ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXVco0Bkyk



Like I said, I do take it directly from Yu Suzuki's most recent statements on the matter. $45 million. Ultimately, TA, what you have to understand is that no one takes you as seriously as you take yourself. So we'll agree to disagree, and I'm sure eventually have this exact same conversation weeks or months later.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 25, 2015, 12:04:26 pm
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Ultimately, TA, what you have to understand is that no one takes you as seriously as you take yourself


Its there clear as day and there is no way Yu Suzuki would lie about the budget in 1999, why would he need to ?  . The $45 million figure is no doubt Yu's desperate attempt at trying to get people to fund or go anywhere near a  Shenmue III and he's no doubt just stating the actual development costs , not the fortune SEGA also spent on Shenmue PR push and yes even SEGA would spend more than $20 Million on pushing a game just like SEGA America  did with Sonic III Ect..


Also here's Kat's Satio say on Shenmue


(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7740/17899962760_5f1a374516_h.jpg)


(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5342/18088625231_cf522d63ba_c.jpg)


(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8875/17901434919_d8edffeb6e_c.jpg)


(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8836/17899760638_b9b36b60bf_c.jpg)







Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on May 25, 2015, 12:24:43 pm
I know, TA, I've seen those articles and don't doubt that they exist, but ultimately I do doubt their veracity. As for the matter of a Sonic III marketing budget of $20 million, well.. Halo 3 famously had a marketing budget of $10 million in 2007 dollars. So I would file that Sonic III figure under the category of absurd exaggeration as well.

But more than that, I think the underlying point is that you're not changing my mind and I'm not changing yours. And no one "wins" the argument by getting in the last word. It only drags the forum down, worst of all when you and ROJM go at it. It's like a cancerous growth of quotes that no one is actually reading all the way through. You seem to have some amount of self esteem tied up in the idea of being regarded as a "Sega expert" or something but in the end this is all just speculation using the sources of information we have at our disposal as consumers. And Sega being a large company/group of companies, and the passage of time, mean that even people who worked there will likely have different perspectives and opinions. So, it is what it is... ultimately people are just going to choose what they believe based on the information available. It's not like we're dealing with scientific method or mathematical equations here.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 25, 2015, 01:07:04 pm
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Halo 3 famously had a marketing budget of $10 million in 2007 dollars

That is what it cost MS alone for the Halo III videos in the build up for Halo III, , The PR push was far more than that  and I still find it amazing that Halo III cost more than 60 million to make  . Sony spent some 30 million on pushing Heavy rain and COD II MW have a massive $200 budget for its PR  if the hype is true .

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But more than that, I think the underlying point is that you're not changing my mind and I'm not changing yours.

Its not my mind ... Its what SEGA's Kat's and Yu Suzuki said back inthe day . I see no reason why they would lie and even if they were , SEGA PR dept would be straight in there putting them straight,  that was the case during any interview back with SEGA Top teams back inthe day

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You seem to have some amount of self esteem tied up in the idea of being regarded as a "Sega expert"


No not really . Just in the 80's,90's and till the death of the DC. I was a SEGA nut and collected a vast number of videos and mag's to go along with the consoels and games . No expert , but just in the same way a die hard Football fan and can name you every player and manager what played for his or her club and what it cost that club  for the past 50 or so years. I have no trouble remembering most of what SEGA got up into the 90's and through the DC days 

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 25, 2015, 01:13:30 pm
COD II MW have a massive $200 budget for its PR  if the hype is true .

Two hundred dollars isn't really that much compared to industry average.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on May 25, 2015, 07:40:53 pm
Two hundred dollars isn't really that much compared to industry average.
Eh, worth a chuckle
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 25, 2015, 07:45:18 pm
It wasn't just Yu who said it cost $70 Million dollars but also staff inside SEGA. Yu was just desprate to get the sequel made and I bet the $45 million was what it cost AM#2 to developed the 2 Shenmue games for the DC and it excludes the PR push with cost SEGA millions alone. 



No many seeing as the MS was a bit of a flop in Japan and the USA. Mega Drive and Saturn days were a bit different and to a point the DC days too..


For the Mega Drive we had sequesl to SOR, VectorMan, Shinning series, Sonic, PS, Toe Jam & Earl, Joe Montana, Mickey Mouse series, Shinobi series, Wonderboy series, Golden Axe series, Super Monaco, Ecco Series and so on . On the Saturn were had sequels to the Shinning series, Story Of Thor, World Wide Soccer, NHL, World Series Basball, Sakura Wars, Panzer Dragoon, VF, VC, Dragon Force, Bug, Decatlete and so on . On the saturn well again we had sequels to Sonic, Sakura Wars, Space Channel 5, Lets Make a Series, Get Bass Series, Shenmue , Virtual Fighter, Fighting Vipers, Die Hard Arcade, House of the Dead, Virtual On, Virtual Tennis , NBA 2k, NFL 2k, Crazy Taxi , Sega Rally [size=78%]  [/size]

I think you misunderstood everything I said, every generation of consoles SEGA drops and makes new IPs. That was my point, not that they made sequels within the generation. Is it that hard to understand?

Streets of Rage happen like 4 generations ago, why bring it back? I personally don't want 'Streets of Rage: Street Wise', Crapcom tried it with Final Fight and its just shilling money for nostalgia. Regardless of what SEGA does with a new 'SOR' the old fans will hate and the new generation might not care since they have not nostalgia for it.

SEGA understood that  a franchise only works in a context of time. What Streets of Rage accomplished was done because of the time period where this games where in higher demand. I personally would rather have SEGA make new IPs, considering how technology evolves, instead of being tied to past constraints.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on May 25, 2015, 11:01:59 pm
Streets of Rage happen like 4 generations ago, why bring it back?

I agree with most of what you're saying up until this point. I think SOR is the one Genesis era game they should try to bring back. 90's nostalgia and aesthetics are in right now. Also, I think most would agree that the music of the original series is what elevated it past the standard beat'em up and that is the compelling reason to bring it back.

If Yuzo is doing the music, it will be fine.

Final Fight Streetwise abandoned what the series was actually about and came out way too early for the IP to be appreciated.  Double Dragon Neon is a better example of a beatem up game that knew what it was working with and when to execute.

But generally I agree that Sega's approach to keep IPs within in their generation is more exciting. There's definitely more shock factor with a new IP than there are with sequels. Shame people didn't appreciate Sega's last attempts at this though.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 25, 2015, 11:32:55 pm
This is the thing, Double Dragon Neon didn't sell that well. Was heavily discounted to a buck (on both PSN and PC) and still has mediocre sales (90k on PC, for being basically given away).

While Neon might appeal to retro hardcore gamers (which is a very small amount of users), SEGA would have to update mechanics to even get a new audience to care.

"Let’s address a sad truth nobody wants to hear: The brawler genre is not very good anymore. The beat-‘em-up was built on the back of arcade game design; difficulty didn’t come by design, but by consequence of clunky mechanics meant to scam kids out of more quarters. Double Dragon, much as we all love to remember it, exploited our love of games so we’d keep paying for it. Double Dragon: Neon functions in a similar way. It’s a brawler that’s too focused on amusing you with 80s flair, and it comes at the expense of worthwhile gameplay. Double Dragon: Neon doesn’t bother to keep up with contemporaries such as Castle Crashers, Shank, and Scott Pilgrim – and you should let it fall behind."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/11/double-dragon-neon-review (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/11/double-dragon-neon-review)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on May 26, 2015, 12:31:33 am
I'm would never say DDNeon was a sales monster, only that it understood what IP it was working with when compared to a total failure of a game like Final Fight: Streetwise. 

Also, that IGN review is terrible. The first line of that quote dismisses the genre altogether. I guess the Yakuza series was never very good, since the brawler genre is not very good anymore.

The SOR soundtrack is iconic, which I think should give the series consideration beyond it's generation. Sonic and Shining started on Genesis and have lived on after. Phantasy Star, and Shinobi were a generation before and have kept on. I believe the SOR series belongs among them as worthy of continuation and apparently Sega did too with all the prototypes that were out there for SOR4. Problem lies in the execution not the IP.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on May 26, 2015, 03:13:32 am
Yakuza is more than a 'brawler with 80's mechanics', its just one of the aspects of the game and is done totally different than Streets of Rage trilogy was.

Streets of Rage did have a great set of albums, no one is denying that. Sadly people don't purchase games for a soundtrack. I also don't think making a new game because 'the soundtrack was bomb' isn't a real excuse for a company to make the game.

I think it has to be the right project with the right developer. I know SEGA turned out some shits in the past 10 years when it came to older IPs and more 'not so great but has potential' . But have you seen some of the 'revival' pitches that get leaked online? Some seem great, but others I wouldn't feel right about at all.

Would I like to see a new Streets of Rage in 2D. For sure, but regardless how well will it fair in sales? Its hard to predict, I think SEGA should invest in getting 1080p Sonic CD type reworked with 'remastered' soundtrack up on digital service with a fair amount of hype. If they sell well and within a decent range move forward.

It seems they have been trying the digital route but older legacy stuff isn't really moving.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 26, 2015, 07:34:27 am
Bringing back and IP doesn't have to mean making it play with the limitations of a 1980's arcade machine though. It also doesn't mean you have to make it into Street Wise.
You could make a really fun brawler from the SoR IP.

The issue is though, that people are clamouring for old Sega IPs because what else do we have?
They don't make new IPs anymore, and when they do they mothball them (Valk becomes a portable exclusive and not as good as the first, Bayonetta becomes persona non grata and Nintendo has to save the sequel, Jack Lumber 2 will never happen at this rate, Yakuza never gets translated unless Sony foots the bill etc).

And they aren't beyond bringing back old IPs in fun ways, OutRun and Afterburner for example.

Either way, there's more money in endless Total War games, Football Management sims and FREEMIUM APPS, so wateva
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on May 26, 2015, 12:49:12 pm
Bringing back and IP doesn't have to mean making it play with the limitations of a 1980's arcade machine though. It also doesn't mean you have to make it into Street Wise.
You could make a really fun brawler from the SoR IP.

The issue is though, that people are clamouring for old Sega IPs because what else do we have?
They don't make new IPs anymore, and when they do they mothball them (Valk becomes a portable exclusive and not as good as the first, Bayonetta becomes persona non grata and Nintendo has to save the sequel, Jack Lumber 2 will never happen at this rate, Yakuza never gets translated unless Sony foots the bill etc).

And they aren't beyond bringing back old IPs in fun ways, OutRun and Afterburner for example.

Either way, there's more money in endless Total War games, Football Management sims and FREEMIUM APPS, so wateva

I don't need Jack Lumber 2. I heard something like it cost Sega 60 Million to perfect the chop physics. Revolutionary for its time but a sequel now just wouldn't look as good. It would be too expensive to bring it to modern lumberjack gameplay standards.

I'm pretty psyched for Jack Lumber: Prepare to Die Edition though with all the custom Logs DLC. I can finally play this on my PC in 1080p/60 fps bitches.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 27, 2015, 02:45:17 pm
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I think you misunderstood everything I said, every generation of consoles SEGA drops and makes new IPs. That was my point, not that they made sequels within the generation. Is it that hard to understand?


More or less what every corp does ... My trouble isn't SEGA making new IP , its SEGA Japan being so lame ..


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Streets of Rage happen like 4 generations ago, why bring it back? I personally don't want 'Streets of Rage: Street Wise


Haven't the 1st clue what you are on about . I've never asked SEGA for a SOR IV since the Saturn days - That was the time to make a 2D SOR IV imo and I was never one who ever wanted a 3D Streets Or Rage even back in the DC days ....







Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 07, 2015, 02:19:27 pm
It's going to be announced at E3 for sure, 100% no backsies.

https://twitter.com/yu_suzuki_jp/status/603154768022736896

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 08, 2015, 03:56:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/H8eQTF5.jpg)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 08, 2015, 04:09:21 am
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I know, TA, I've seen those articles and don't doubt that they exist, but ultimately I do doubt their veracity. As for the matter of a Sonic III marketing budget of $20 million, well.. Halo 3 famously had a marketing budget of $10 million in 2007 dollars. So I would file that Sonic III figure under the category of absurd exaggeration as well.



Also have a look at how much Bioshock Infinite cost 2k to make and push . $100 Million to make the game even though its was using 3rd party engine and middleware  and then another $100 to push the game .


$200 on one game and a basic FPS at that. Kind of makes Shenmue 1 and II look cheap and easy in comparsion
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Ryudo on June 09, 2015, 04:15:52 pm
Given up on the idea. I would like them to test the waters with a HD released on PSN,XBL and Eshop for Shenmue 1 and 2 first.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on June 13, 2015, 10:38:01 pm
Yu Suzuki definitely supports the making of Shenmue III.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgpflc_support-the-twitter-accounts-of-yu-suzuki-shenmue-fans_videogames

The problem is that Sega thinks it will not be profitable, even though they are wrong.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 12:26:59 pm
(http://i59.tinypic.com/20ubw4y.jpg)

It's finally happening.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on June 14, 2015, 12:31:25 pm
Believe people. B E L I E V E
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 14, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
I hate to kill the buzz (I REALLY do), but, well,


(http://i.imgur.com/fDGpWjb.png)



I wouldn't hold your breath.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Tad on June 14, 2015, 01:53:16 pm
I think we all knew that. Just having a bit of fun ;)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 02:08:58 pm
Shenmue.com Webservers were updated this month to deal with high volume traffic.

(http://i61.tinypic.com/10xtv87.png)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 02:15:36 pm
Get ready.

Gio Corsi, head of PlayStation Third Party production and Developer relations just started following Yu Suzuki in Twitter (only follows 180 people).
Do did Geoff Keighly (sp?)

It's happening.
It's happening.
It's happening.
It's happening.
It's happening.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: TimmiT on June 14, 2015, 02:21:11 pm
So going by everything that happened today...

...Yeah, I think we might actually see a Shenmue thing at E3. Guessing at Sony's press conference.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 02:28:49 pm
So going by everything that happened today...

...Yeah, I think we might actually see a Shenmue thing at E3. Guessing at Sony's press conference.

Yep, everyone get on the hype forklift, we're taking this baby all the way to LA.
No brakes.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 14, 2015, 02:29:29 pm
I can't believe you people doubted it? Come on, WHERE'S THAT SEGA CHILD IN YOU?! It may have been cast out, set adrift in the oceans of Sonic 06, but now the time has come again my brothers and sisters, now we enter a new era, TOGETHER!

Remember the words of SEGA itself;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdzYULyIdq8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdzYULyIdq8)

What the world expects of us
Is our pride.
Let's change the game
Let's gather our strengths
Be a Game Changer
Forever more

SHENMUE IS HAPPENING.

(I may not be entirely serious)

No brakes.

Only dreams.

Dreams that become realities.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 14, 2015, 02:44:29 pm
i know i was just doubting it but...okay come on everyone




(https://archive.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/04/1386046783190.gif)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 14, 2015, 02:46:11 pm
Guys, hold me
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 02:55:13 pm
If something Shenmue doesn't happen, the suicide rates are going to be off the charts.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Deefy on June 14, 2015, 03:05:25 pm
I didn't said anything, mindful of the poor figure remedied last year when I announced the trademark registration of Shenmue III then proved fake, but about a week ago always on the site of the OHIM I spotted the registration of trademarks Shenmue and Shining Seed ...
so maybe sometimes dreams come true  ;)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 14, 2015, 03:20:16 pm
If it is anything, its a HD remake which SEGA have been trying to focus on forawhile. Like they stated in press release: You will be seeing more digital games from SEGA West. It won't be III. We shall see :)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: matty on June 14, 2015, 03:28:59 pm
I've never played Shenmue, so it would be cool to play a remaster release, but if it doesn't happen I don't mind, since I don't know what it really is.

[safe zone]
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 14, 2015, 03:40:57 pm
If it is anything, its a HD remake which SEGA have been trying to focus on forawhile. Like they stated in press release: You will be seeing more digital games from SEGA West. It won't be III. We shall see :)

Every tree needs a seed.

Every fire needs a spark.

Every legend needs a beginning.

Let's gather our strength, be a game changer... Forever more.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Draikin on June 14, 2015, 03:48:20 pm
Weren't there persistent rumours that Sega canceled a Shenmue HD remake together with Skies of Arcadia HD, back when they also canceled Bayonetta 2? I guess could see Sony salvage the project, like Nintendo did for Bayonetta 2.

In any case, if there's an HD remake, I have to wonder if it can actually live up to expectations.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 14, 2015, 03:49:56 pm
An HD remake is pointless if the story still cuts short.

Yu should remake the whole thing as a single coherent modern masterpiece.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 14, 2015, 04:18:53 pm
Yeah I agree, that is why I don't want SEGA just doing it to get their pockets full of cash. Its true though, its nice to see them at least test the market to see if there is still demand. But if there isn't I still think Shenmue fans will go crazy on social media denying it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 14, 2015, 06:13:40 pm
If something Shenmue doesn't happen, the suicide rates are going to be off the charts.

I've already cut my wrists in preparation.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 14, 2015, 06:56:17 pm
I really didn't think I would ever consider this a possibility since about 2006. First time Sega's got my hopes up in literally years.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 06:57:32 pm
I've already cut my wrists in preparation.

I'll have etched on my gravestone
"Murdered by Sega"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 14, 2015, 07:02:45 pm
I'm at a point where I cant even begin to get excited until I see hard evidence...

[spoiler]hype[/spoiler]
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 07:04:22 pm
I'm at a point where I cant even begin to get excited until I see hard evidence...

[spoiler]hype[/spoiler]

I used to be like that, but now I don't care. I'm letting myself get hype.

Shenmue or bust.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 14, 2015, 07:11:26 pm
I'm at a point where I cant even begin to get excited until I see hard evidence...

[spoiler]hype[/spoiler]

You DARE disbelieve? You infidel! Repent this sacrilegious act and recite after me...

From the book of SEGA, Chapter Suzuki, verse Nagoshi;

What the world expects of us
Is our pride.
Let's change the game
Let's gather our strengths
Be a Game Changer
Forever more
SEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Now silence the insecurity in your heart and let in the hype, let the madness take you far away to a joyous haven where there is only blue skies.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 07:13:27 pm
Guys, I might be willing to forgive Jack Lumber if this is happening.

Maybe.

Also post your Hype Songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y56FZ_y27RM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y56FZ_y27RM)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 14, 2015, 07:20:04 pm
Other than the "MESSAGE OF SEGA" video I posted last page...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrzsAwvSb3o

Yakuza 5: Battle for the Dream.

THIS IS A BATTLE WE THOUGHT WAS LOST BUT PERHAPS NOT BROTHERS!~
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nirmugen on June 14, 2015, 07:26:21 pm
Wait and See ;)....
....
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 07:35:44 pm
Wait and See ;)....
....

I'm waiting and I'm going to see.

The truth will set us free, brothers. We've been waiting a long time, but our love will finally be repaid.

Tomorrow we'll be looking at Yu Suzuki as he gets us through the darkness and we will follow him into the light.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 14, 2015, 07:39:03 pm
If it happens I wonder if SEGA are even going to have anything to do with it... The French website is saying Quantic Dream is developing... Which is probably bullshit, but who knows. Maybe SEGA are letting Sony publish it, like Bayonetta 2 and Nintendo. I wont complain but SEGA distancing themselves from the project would be so disheartening.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 07:47:23 pm
If it happens I wonder if SEGA are even going to have anything to do with it... The French website is saying Quantic Dream is developing... Which is probably bullshit, but who knows. Maybe SEGA are letting Sony publish it, like Bayonetta 2 and Nintendo. I wont complain but SEGA distancing themselves from the project would be so disheartening.

If Quantic Dreams is developing the dream is officially dead, and there is nothing good in the world anymore.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 14, 2015, 07:49:48 pm
If Quantic Dreams is developing the dream is officially dead, and there is nothing good in the world anymore.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

SEGA DIDN'T MAKE A DAMN TRAILER ABOUT BEING A GAME CHANGER FOR NO REASON.

OR A SONG CALLED BATTLE FOR THE DREAM.

Come on people, be reasonable for pity's sake, THE DREAM IS SAFE.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 14, 2015, 07:51:59 pm
Sega still holds the IP anyway, right?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 14, 2015, 07:54:31 pm
Sega still holds the IP anyway, right?

Of course they do, and now they are going to make use of it!

There was never a game like Shenmue, and there hasn't been one since. Time to change that! The Dream will set us free.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 14, 2015, 08:10:32 pm
Sega still holds the IP anyway, right?
Yeah but they hold Bayonetta ip too and that didn't stop them basically bowing out of all involvement.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: inthesky on June 14, 2015, 11:27:36 pm
yassss I can feel it

I'm so hyped

Before we didn't believe enough but now I believe and it is time for all of the nonbelievers and the hype destroyers to feel JEALOUS and SAD. How does it feel to be you now >:)  :afroman: >:D 8)

(http://i.forbesimg.com/media/lists/people/usher_416x416.jpg)

yeahhhhhhh mayne


Shenmue :3

and I'll take Shenmue 1 and 2 pls b/c I haven't played anything in this franchise yet :D
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Spock on June 15, 2015, 12:18:24 am
Can someone fill me in on what just happened to the thread? I just wanted to post a link concluding that there is some chance of approval from Yu Suzuki. I also said Sega would not approve. When I did that, everyone went crazy by renaming the thread and saying they were "hyped over and over again. What just happened? Did 3raser change the name? Is this some type of joke?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 03:30:45 am
Yu Suzuki got back on twitter not that long ago, now he posted a fork lift he said he found at E3. Shenmue.com has changed servers to Amazon cloud which is used when they expect high traffic. Sony's 3rd party relations guy started following Yu Suzuki not long ago.

Thats all I've seen online. Sony's press conference is later today.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 15, 2015, 04:27:27 am
This is it. This is going to be it :). If anything shenmue related is going to get down this evening/night at sony's presser, than they win e3 in my book. My only concerns are the rumors about quantic dreams, because i never liked  their games, but in yu suzuki I trust!.... Or shouldnt I?!?!

Either way I wonder if the old SEGA team behind shenmue even exists now. Also shenmue 1&2 would reaaally eed an update if they were to be released today for peeps who've never played it. I've watched many lets plays of people jumping in for the first time who just didnt get it, and ended up laughing at all the stuff I still find to be great. Idiots
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 04:46:35 am
yassss I can feel it

I'm so hyped

Before we didn't believe enough but now I believe and it is time for all of the nonbelievers and the hype destroyers to feel JEALOUS and SAD. How does it feel to be you now >:)  :afroman:

yeahhhhhhh mayne


Shenmue :3
(http://www.fabioifc.com/BOOKCOVER_SHOTS_2/fab_fitness_frnt_web.jpg)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 07:25:29 am
Yu Suzuki got back on twitter not that long ago, now he posted a fork lift he said he found at E3. Shenmue.com has changed servers to Amazon cloud which is used when they expect high traffic. Sony's 3rd party relations guy started following Yu Suzuki not long ago.

Thats all I've seen online. Sony's press conference is later today.

Gotta read the signs Spock.

Check my posts;
Yu Suzuki posts a picture with the Baijiquan master he consulted for Shenmue/VF in May this year.
Yu Suzuki posts a picture of a forklift with 'Seen at E3' caption.
Sega renewed the Shenmue Trademark about a month ago.
Sega updated the Shenmue.com domain for high levels of traffic a few days ago.
Geoff Keighly and Gio Corsi of PlayStation third party relations have started following Yu Suzuki in the last two days.
Verendus rumours of Sega and Sony working on a third party exclusive to be revealed at E3.


THE DREAM WILL SET US FREE.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 07:33:29 am
THIS IS SEGA DNA
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 07:39:13 am
I've updated my profile picture accordingly.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 08:01:03 am
THIS IS SEGA DNA

This is Sega's SOUL.

I've updated my profile picture accordingly.

By Syntax!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: CrazyT on June 15, 2015, 08:08:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/knrGnNd.png)
Thank god. Fuck em

Who would be developing shenmue then? I mean is it really SEGA and their big crew again or perhaps a collaboration?

Shenmue is such a complex game, it would hopefully have a good team behind it. I imagine it is still not cheap to make

Edit: Hypothetically. Imagine if they decide to get rid of the fighting stuff and only concentrate on the story. Would you be okay with that?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 08:09:46 am
THANK YOU!


Quantic Dreams is NOT DEVELOPING SHENMUE.


This is the greatest night in the history of our sport.



Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:17:57 am
Oh good, but also probably means no Shenmue, I just don't see SEGA putting the man power into it. With no console to support SEGA have AM2 back on the Arcade games.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 08:20:25 am
Oh good, but also probably means no Shenmue, I just don't see SEGA putting the man power into it. With no console to support SEGA have AM2 back on the Arcade games.

I'd rather have no Shenmue III than Shenmue III by Quantic Dreams. There I said it.

Also, this means that AM2 has been working on it in secret since VF5:FS.

It could be Shenmue I & II remasters at this point, which is clearly the precursor to Sega pulling AM2 into developing Shenmue III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 08:22:45 am
VIRTUA FIGHTER 6: SHENMUE
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 08:24:16 am
JUST
TWELVE
MORE
HOURS.


Hold me.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 15, 2015, 08:25:06 am
If it is anything, it's those HD versions of the first two games that have long been on hold.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:25:12 am
I think you mean 'Virtua Fighter 6: Shenmue 3 REVENGENCE! Sailor edition'
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 08:26:31 am
If it is anything, it's those HD versions of the first two games that have long been on hold.

Yes, but Shenmue 1 + Shenmue 2 = Shenmue 3.



GET READY.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 08:32:08 am
Thank fuck for that.

Ryu Ga Gotoku tagteaming with AM2

Suzuki and Nagoshi directing.

Mitsuyoshi in charge of music.

Cerny leaves his post at Sony to rejoin the dream team.

ITS ALL HERE FOLKS!

(This is the first time the hype has infected all of us I think)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 08:38:35 am
(This is the first time the hype has infected all of us I think)

It's never been this strong before.

Imagine it, Shenmue III in our life time.

No more suffering for Sega fans. We've stumbled in the darkness of FREEMIUM APPS and bad Sonic games for too long. HARD TIMES ARE OVER. We will follow Yu Suzuki into the sun, as we were always meant to.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 08:41:38 am
Sega deserves a AAA game with massive following
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 08:48:01 am
Sega deserves a AAA game with massive following

The world deserves Shenmue III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 09:17:37 am
I'm down to my white Y-fronts, staring into the bathroom mirror, daring myself to return to the dim motel bedroom for another night with Mistress Shenmue. 10 hours from now? The crushing self loathing; the regret, the awkward departing small talk; the grimy motel bedroom in the sober light of day.... But now? I'm drunk on that sweet Shenmue lust again! I'm whipped up into a frothing frenzy of Shenmue fangasmic euphoria, ready for another delicious, soul crushing, beautiful beating. I love you mistress Shenmue, please strangle me again! :( :)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 09:30:47 am
The world deserves Shenmue III.

SEGA was the hero the world deserves but not the one the world needed now. So we'd hate them, set the critics on them. Because SEGA's not a hero, they're a watchful developer, a silent publisher... THE BLUE KNIGHT.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 09:45:22 am
"But I've always regretted not putting out Shenmue III at our best."

"Sega, No matter how hard you guys work, it won't be your best."

"...It's the best we got..."

(http://www.fernbyfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cap018.jpg)
(http://[http://www.fernbyfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cap018.jpg)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 10:32:19 am
"Yeah but like shenmueism isnt a fad its a lifestyle its counter culture and its up in your face them germs at sega japan can laugh at us them yakuza funded corp guys dosent bother me today is the day i say no more sonic no more call of duty or any industry harming game we might not get the result we want but be fucking proud one day this corporate lackys will suck our shenmue dick mark my words shenmue forever forever shenmue !"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 15, 2015, 11:04:20 am
In anticipation of "Shenmue" or "No Shenmue" I'd like to offer a double or nothing Kudos betting service.

Tell me how many Kudos points you are willing to wager - cannot be more than the number of Kudos you have. If anything Shenmue is officially announced, you get double those Kudos wagered. If no Shenmue happens, you lose your wagered Kudos.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 11:05:48 am
In anticipation of "Shenmue" or "No Shenmue" I'd like to offer a double or nothing Kudos betting service.

Tell me how many Kudos points you are willing to wager - cannot be more than the number of Kudos you have. If anything Shenmue is officially announced, you get double those Kudos wagered. If no Shenmue happens, you lose your wagered Kudos.

Bet everything I have on Shenmue being there.

EDIT: If Shenmue is not there, Barry can choose my display picture for a month.

I'm so sure of it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 15, 2015, 11:32:53 am
SEGA was the hero the world deserves but not the one the world needed now. So we'd hate them, set the critics on them. Because SEGA's not a hero, they're a watchful developer, a silent publisher... THE BLUE KNIGHT.

...damn it, I almost choked on my water reading that, hahahaha.

In anticipation of "Shenmue" or "No Shenmue" I'd like to offer a double or nothing Kudos betting service.

Tell me how many Kudos points you are willing to wager - cannot be more than the number of Kudos you have. If anything Shenmue is officially announced, you get double those Kudos wagered. If no Shenmue happens, you lose your wagered Kudos.

You know what, I'm actually a little hyped on this, so...I'm betting everything I've got (yea, yea, 3 points, but it's something) on this.  I want to believe this time.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 11:40:10 am
In anticipation of "Shenmue" or "No Shenmue" I'd like to offer a double or nothing Kudos betting service.

Tell me how many Kudos points you are willing to wager - cannot be more than the number of Kudos you have. If anything Shenmue is officially announced, you get double those Kudos wagered. If no Shenmue happens, you lose your wagered Kudos.

How about this, if there is a Shenmue announcement you take away the 700 kudos you awarded yourself, and if there isn't a Shenmue announcement you take away the 700 you awarded yourself?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 11:41:23 am
How about we just grant everyone unlimited Kudos forever if Shenmue is there.
If not, we remove the Kudos system in protest of Shenmue not being there.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 15, 2015, 12:56:47 pm
How about this, if there is a Shenmue announcement you take away the 700 kudos you awarded yourself, and if there isn't a Shenmue announcement you take away the 700 you awarded yourself?

Somebody has Kudos envy.

I actually had -666 when the system began and it switched to positive 666 after a forum upgrade and since then the additional 38 were from the usual kudos clicks from other members. To be honest I didn't know people cared so much about the system.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 01:03:23 pm
Somebody has Kudos envy.

I actually had -666 when the system began and it switched to positive 666 after a forum upgrade and since then the additional 38 were from the usual kudos clicks from other members. To be honest I didn't know people cared so much about the system.

We just don't like you weaseling those points to yourself. Real talk: I actually think the system is kind of pointless considering this forum consists of about twenty people who've known each other for nearly a decade anyway. We're like a family now.

More importantly, everyone give me Kudos for this post so I can wager it all on Shenmue. It's going to be there.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 01:04:26 pm
Kudos aren't really serious.

How about this Ryan:

- Shenmue III not announced; you get 800 kudos.

- Shenmue III announced you're banned.

LOSE/WIN.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 15, 2015, 01:08:46 pm
We just don't like you weaseling those points to yourself. Real talk: I actually think the system is kind of pointless considering this forum consists of about twenty people who've known each other for nearly a decade anyway. We're like a family now.

More importantly, everyone give me Kudos for this post so I can wager it all on Shenmue. It's going to be there.

What I want from a future forum is an achievements system. So first 8 posts gets you the "Master System" achievement, 128 posts gets the "Dreamcast", etc. Lots of little SEGA-related awards for posts, likes, mentions, etc.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 01:09:43 pm
If your Mademan you're automatically banned.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 01:12:59 pm
If your Mademan you're automatically banned.

The people would riot if you banned me.


THIS ISN'T SHENMUE RELATED BY THE WAY.

MODS, PLEASE DIRECT THIS BACK TO SHENMUE.


What are you guys most excited about for Shenmue III? I want to know what the white leaf was in the book in the Dojo!

When the HD remasters come out, I'm going to play them through, once raw, and then once with a guide to find as much secret stuff as possible. Don't forget to buy as much shit as possible at the beginning of Shenmue II before your wallet gets stolen.

It'll be great having the remasters so that  our saves can transfer over to Shenmue III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 01:17:14 pm
Jesus christ, I just took a nap and dreamt Shenmue 3 was announced
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 01:22:40 pm
The "never give up the dream" mantra in this thread is finally taking effect. It's like subliminal messages man, except it's just messages.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 01:27:02 pm
Jesus christ, I just took a nap and dreamt Shenmue 3 was announced

Your dream will become a reality soon.

The "never give up the dream" mantra in this thread is finally taking effect. It's like subliminal messages man, except it's just messages.

It's the truth, Moody. It's definitely 100% going to happen. Shenmue at E3, Yu Suzuki Tour 2015.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 01:35:44 pm
*standing outside the E3 stadium, adorned in robes and chanting rhythmically* Shenmue, Shenmue, Shenmue, Shenmue, Shenmue, Shenmue...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 01:36:12 pm
To be honest I didn't know people cared so much about the system.

It was a joke.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 01:42:34 pm
It was a joke.

GREAT!

(45s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXTZQB16p0Q#t=45s
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 01:45:30 pm
I had to make up everything said in that video because my speakers are broken, but I'm sure I came out on top.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 01:48:22 pm
I had to make up everything said in that video because my speakers are broken, but I'm sure I came out on top.

Everyone is a winner with Alan Partridge. I bet he would be a supporter of Shenmue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 01:51:02 pm
(http://www.cinemas-online.co.uk/images/steve_coogan_alan_partridge(1).jpg)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 03:54:52 pm
Approximately four hours until it begins.

I may not be on the grid when it happens. If that is the case, I want to wish you all the very best of luck. Know that you are loved. Know that our love will be repaid by Yu Suzuki.

I will do my best to connect with you, but if not, I will see you on the other side, brothers.


15/06/2015.
The Day the Dream Came True.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 03:55:45 pm
The Holy Grail of SEGA games actually has a possible chance of being announced later??


Gah! I recently threw out my Shenmue 3 Hype Emergency Kit! How will I be prepared for this? HOW??
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 04:40:31 pm
No one thinks its Shenmue 3, we think its a Shenmue type announcement. Most likely a HD port, I very highly doubt its III when only 1.5 million people played it 15 years ago.

That is basically setting it up for failure.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 04:59:30 pm
They're doing a George Lucas, it's Shenmue Episode IV: A No Hope.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 05:07:59 pm
1.5 million isn't enough?  :P


Even if there weren't enough people back then who played it, over the years the series (and potential third game) has gained a sort of legendary status. Even people who haven't played the first 2 will obviously consider checking out a potential third due to the sheer amount of discussion it gets online.


Yes, it could be a port of the first 2 games, but why would SEGA port an unfinished story-based series if there wasn't even enough interest for a third? It's not entirely out of the question.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 15, 2015, 05:30:27 pm
1.5 million isn't enough?  :P


Even if there weren't enough people back then who played it, over the years the series (and potential third game) has gained a sort of legendary status. Even people who haven't played the first 2 will obviously consider checking out a potential third due to the sheer amount of discussion it gets online.


Yes, it could be a port of the first 2 games, but why would SEGA port an unfinished story-based series if there wasn't even enough interest for a third? It's not entirely out of the question.

An hd remix has a lot lower expectations, is cheaper and builds hype and an audience for a possible third.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 05:38:48 pm
So how can I watch the Sony presentation so I can be disappointed live?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 05:39:14 pm
http://www.twitch.tv/playstation
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 05:56:13 pm
So how can I watch the Sony presentation so I can be disappointed live?

YouTube is also streaming the event.

Also disappointed? I think you mean joyous celebration!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 06:36:31 pm
Now the true bet is WHEN will Shenmue come in the conference. My bet's near the end, but I could totally see it coming right in the middle.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 07:40:04 pm
Also Barry you put an interesting suggestion but there is only one flaw in your thinking. You are saying there is a possibility that there isn't Shenmue at E3.

We cannot entertain such blasphemous thoughts! We must feel in our hearts, in our very DNA, you could say, OUR SEGA DNA, that Shenmue will be there. Nay we must forgo all doubt, all insecurities and our collective will will cause Shenmue to exist. This is our time, twenty minutes from now. Our birthright, our destiny!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:04:15 pm
Well that intro didn't bode well did it... No Shenmue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 08:04:30 pm
It has begun.

Well that intro didn't bode well did it... No Shenmue.

They wouldn't show that off in the beginning.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:06:45 pm
I screamed like genuinely because I thought it was Shenmue.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:12:28 pm
I screamed like genuinely because I thought it was Shenmue.

I had a similar feeling... in fact I almost had a panic attack haha.

But this gives me hope...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:18:27 pm
The way they made it sound was EXACTLY Shenmue, even down to the feather dropping down. Something tells me that was an INTENTIONAL tease.............
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:24:43 pm
Na the feather was from the old Last Guardian trailer released a few years ago... but I agree it had the same feeling a Shenmue announcement would have.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 08:28:43 pm
It is coming brothers and sister.

The Last Guardian being there is a good indication this is the day, THIS IS THE DAY.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 08:33:37 pm
Wow, that intro almost gave me a heart attack.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:34:26 pm
I'm actually scared.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:37:16 pm
My heart is fucking jumping into my throat right now, me and my friend are in a call and just waiting impatiently...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 08:42:11 pm
Destiny? Yaaaawn,
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:43:39 pm
We're still in the beginning. We can call middles once we get an indie game montage.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 08:49:32 pm
Final Fantasy 7 remake.

Shenmue is around the corner. I FEEL IT.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:50:09 pm
We're still in the beginning. We can call middles once we get an indie game montage.

Like now?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:51:11 pm
aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:51:48 pm
ITS HAPPENING, sort of... It's a kick starter. We the fans have to fund it... But you know what? I'm damn well going too.

If you don't fund this now... You are dead to me!

Fund here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3


UPDATE: The Shenmue 3 Kickstarter is fully funded, but let's not stop now! Let's reach those stretch goals and beyond!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 08:51:50 pm
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:52:22 pm
IT'S REAL
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:52:46 pm
aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooiwhdowijdoww
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 08:52:53 pm
IT HAPPENED.

IT IS HAPPENING.

THE DREAM IS ALIVE!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:54:00 pm
I'M HYPERVENTILATING AND SCREMING RIGHT NOW I  AM SO FUCVKIGN READY T
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: segaismysavior on June 15, 2015, 08:54:03 pm
I NEED AN ADULT!!!!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 08:54:16 pm
IT EXISTS! IT ACTUALLY EXISTS!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 08:57:09 pm
PC AND PS4

KICKSTARTER

HOLY FUCKIGN TITS
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 08:57:26 pm
"Where were you the day Shenmue 3 was announced?"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 08:58:05 pm
I don't know how to feel, Im scared... Where is the kick starter page? How do I fund it... Is SEGA involved?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 08:58:57 pm
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 09:06:31 pm
GUYS okay guys

there IS still another sega game to talk about, according to the rumors

everyone hold THE FUCK ON
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 09:09:28 pm
The kickstarter page is sooo beautiful. Shenmue for PC. I'm drooling at the possibilities. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 09:10:28 pm
GUYS okay guys

there IS still another sega game to talk about, according to the rumors

everyone hold THE FUCK ON

Actually there could still be 2... Because it looks like SEGA is not involved with Shenmue 3...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Kuronoa on June 15, 2015, 09:10:34 pm
Holy crap FFVII remake and this in short time.
I'll fund this when the hype settles.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: inthesky on June 15, 2015, 09:11:50 pm
SHAMOO 3

EVERYONE ELSE IS SAD and i'm feelin good =)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 09:15:36 pm
Minutes after announcement and it's already past 10% of its 2 million goal.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Kuronoa on June 15, 2015, 09:15:46 pm
Reaching 200k already!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: inthesky on June 15, 2015, 09:16:49 pm
300k ^_^
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 09:19:18 pm
Ill be the first to say it... Ryo's character model is pretty shit. They're using Unreal 4 there is no excuse.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: inthesky on June 15, 2015, 09:19:46 pm
Yeah I can't stand the face.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 09:20:17 pm
A few things that worry me. Yu NET is very small studio and hasn't really done anything. AM2 at the time of making Shenmue had decades of experience. 2 Million is a low budget and so far the assets release are troublesome.

I know people here will get mad for even saying something like that, but lets be honest...

I can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 09:21:58 pm
Sega better get off its ass and release the Shenmue 1/2 HD.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 09:24:46 pm
A few things that worry me. Yu NET is very small studio and hasn't really done anything. AM2 at the time of making Shenmue had decades of experience. 2 Million is a low budget and so far the assets release are troublesome.

I know people here will get mad for even saying something like that, but lets be honest...

I can't wait to see more.

Yeah there are a lot of questions unanswered. I think there's going to be a lot of shakeups as this game gets backed and goes into development.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Kuronoa on June 15, 2015, 09:25:51 pm
Hype a little deflated knowing this is digital only on PS4, but I'm sure they will add it for us.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 09:31:45 pm
The Ryo model looks pretty on-point, really looks like if they took the old dreamcast model and gave it an HD touchup.

Doesn't mean it looks GOOD, but it looks on-point. Shenhua's model is really good though.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: segaismysavior on June 15, 2015, 09:33:29 pm
A few things that worry me. Yu NET is very small studio and hasn't really done anything. AM2 at the time of making Shenmue had decades of experience. 2 Million is a low budget and so far the assets release are troublesome.

True, but it could just be a visual novel and I'd die happy.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 09:33:52 pm
Okay, real talk... This game IS going to get funded... Within an hour it's 1/4 of the way there... And I'd say most of us haven't even put money down on it yet. I can't until tomorrow morning but I plan on probably funding multiple times. So yes we're getting Shenmue 3 but in what capacity?

I see that SEGA still owns the IP but are not really involved with the project. That makes me sad... And worried. Ys Net just aren't going to compete. I don't see why SEGA have to be such cunts about it and I seriously hope this gets funded out of its ass and when SEGA see the money their missing out on they feel like complete and utter chumps.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Berto on June 15, 2015, 09:35:23 pm
300k ^_^

500 K. Yeah.. It's going to get funded indeed.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Orta on June 15, 2015, 09:37:46 pm
I HAVE RETURNED MOMENTARILY TO SAY: HOLY SHIT! I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 09:39:43 pm
I HAVE RETURNED MOMENTARILY TO SAY: HOLY SHIT! I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!

See Bruno.

See what happens when you believe?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: segaismysavior on June 15, 2015, 09:39:58 pm
Yeah I can't stand the face.

He has "angry-resting-face."

I would too after 14 fucking years.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: Nirmugen on June 15, 2015, 09:42:06 pm
AS I SAID, WAIT AND SEE...WAIT AND FUCKING SEE!!!!!


THE DREAM IS REAL AND YOU ARE PLEASED!!!


THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE, WE MADE IT GUYS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3jda591M4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3jda591M4)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 09:44:14 pm
Okay, real talk... This game IS going to get funded... Within an hour it's 1/4 of the way there... And I'd say most of us haven't even put money down on it yet. I can't until tomorrow morning but I plan on probably funding multiple times. So yes we're getting Shenmue 3 but in what capacity?

I see that SEGA still owns the IP but are not really involved with the project. That makes me sad... And worried. Ys Net just aren't going to compete. I don't see why SEGA have to be such cunts about it and I seriously hope this gets funded out of its ass and when SEGA see the money their missing out on they feel like complete and utter chumps.

I'm pretty sure this whole kickstarter thing is to gauge interest, after which Sony will probably be funding the game past the $2 Mill. Sega's involvement was probably something like Sony saying "Hey Sega, you cool with this?" and them saying "Yeah sure, whatever".

Lost opportunity on Sega's part.

Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 09:44:56 pm
Thread is in wrong category. Sega has nothing to do with this, and I'm fucking pissed that this is the case.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 09:45:19 pm
The Ryo model looks pretty on-point, really looks like if they took the old dreamcast model and gave it an HD touchup.

Doesn't mean it looks GOOD, but it looks on-point. Shenhua's model is really good though.
Not really, should have ripped the assets from the Passport:
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/8497/236530-04_shenmue.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZzscEkD.png)

Feel like Shenmue had better models than what they are showing right now.

As for SEGA not funding it, they only funded like 2 studios that went out of business... I'm not being negative but the dude lost SEGA a crapton of money. I'm surprised this wasn't a spiritual successor .

Lets be real here, the real mistake is not having AM2's in-house develop the game with Yu Suzuki on board. Not that SEGA isn't funding this.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 09:45:55 pm
stocking: i have to rewatch the shenmue reveal bc i was too busy screaming
stocking: like actual real screaming
stocking: so loud my neighbor absolutely heard me
stocking: I'M SCREAMING AGAIN

RadClaw: so
RadClaw: fallout 4
vaporware-wolf: MAN FUCK FALLOUT 4
vaporware-wolf: SHENMUE 3

can you tell i'm excited
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 09:46:30 pm
I'm pretty sure this whole kickstarter thing is to gauge interest, after which Sony will probably be funding the game past the $2 Mill. Sega's involvement was probably something like Sony saying "Hey Sega, you cool with this?" and them saying "Yeah sure, whatever".

Lost opportunity on Sega's part.



Don't count on it... I don't see any involvement from Sony on the trailer or kickstarter page...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 09:48:05 pm
SEGA's name is on the trailer, not a logo. This all seems very early stuff. I wonder when SEGA approved of them using the IP? I bet it wasn't that long ago. The only thing that is troubling me is how far they are into development. If these are final assets, I'm jumping out of here. If its like, very early (see Toe Jam & Earl) then i'm waiting to see more.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 09:48:54 pm
The miracle of Shenmue has brought back Orta!

I STILL DON'T FULLY BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 09:49:11 pm
There has to be some sort of minor funding on Sony's part. Why else would it be exclusive to the PS4?


Also, pretty sure these are nowhere near final assets.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 15, 2015, 09:50:30 pm
Holy shit! What a night! There's going to be lots of time to discuss this in detail. For now... hugs all around.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 09:50:55 pm
Yeah definitely. New engine, probably not developed for very long, this all looks like EXTREMELY early stuff, some of it may have even come with Unreal 4. It's too early to judge anything other than how amazing it is that it exists.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 09:51:38 pm
Don't count on it... I don't see any involvement from Sony on the trailer or kickstarter page...

If that's the case, then 2 Mill for Shenmue 3? Looks like we will be getting the turn-based jrpg visual novel version of Shenmue 3.

You might be right though as the stretch goals seem to indicate fixed funding requirements. Guess we'll see how this goes.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 09:52:51 pm
SEGA isn't being bad for not funding the game, infact, SEGA are being pretty dandy in allowing Yu Suzuki to do whatever he wants with his own game.

Fact is the first two lost SEGA money so they weren't going to fund it in any shape or form, however I don't see them not promoting it or helping Yu Suzuki out like they do with all their friendly developers like FromSoftware, Index etc in some form or shape.

Lost opportunity? Maybe, but outside of the Yakuza team all their console teams capable of making Shenmue III are working on bigger franchises than Shenmue, just plain fact.

There has to be some sort of minor funding on Sony's part. Why else would it be exclusive to the PS4?


Also, pretty sure these are nowhere near final assets.

It's easy to port to the PS4.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 15, 2015, 09:52:56 pm
Well it does say on the kickstarter page: All images on the Kickstarter page are a work in progress.

Still I wonder how this deal went down and how much is each party involved?

I'm excited nonetheless, I thought I was going to have a heart attack when I heard the music play.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 09:53:57 pm
Most likely helped YS Net get the license from SEGA to use in the game and is probably helping them with tools. I don't think lots of people here understand that YS Net is very small company. I assume someone at Sony's 3rd party relations is helping them with porting to PS4.

The last game they made was over 5 years ago and it was Shenmue City which didn't get much acclaim.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 09:55:14 pm
Besides being excited for this, I'm also just really happy for Yu Suzuki. He really deserves this.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 15, 2015, 09:56:56 pm
Turn it up!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gryp94EB4c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gryp94EB4c)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 09:57:25 pm
Most likely helped YS Net get the license from SEGA to use in the game and is probably helping them with tools. I don't think lots of people here understand that YS Net is very small company. I assume someone at Sony's 3rd party relations is helping them with porting to PS4.

The last game they made was over 5 years ago and it was Shenmue City which didn't get much acclaim.

This is my only worry, but if there is one developer I believe in then it is Yu Suzuki.

Besides being excited for this, I'm also just really happy for Yu Suzuki. He really deserves this.

To be front and centre at E3 after so many years must be something special.

When it seemed his star had faded... That is when it shone the brightest.

THE DREAM IS ALIVE.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Randroid on June 15, 2015, 10:00:41 pm
Well I'm off. Too hyped to be sitting down at a computer.

Time to hit the streets with a sandwich board to collect money for that $10,000 pledge.

Later everybody.

 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 10:01:28 pm
Lost opportunity? Maybe, but outside of the Yakuza team all their console teams capable of making Shenmue III are working on bigger franchises than Shenmue, just plain fact.


(http://i.imgur.com/NQHKSVE.gif)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: Mariano on June 15, 2015, 10:05:42 pm
Thread is in wrong category. Sega has nothing to do with this, and I'm fucking pissed that this is the case.

Agree it Seems the case, SEGA put the IP, but i doubt they will do some of the development.


Anyway i am glad for you guys  :)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: Radrappy on June 15, 2015, 10:06:14 pm
I'm confused.  Does sega have nothing to do with this?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 10:06:24 pm
You don't believe a Sonic the Hedgehog is bigger? Sonic Boom sold more than Shenmue 2 and that is considered a bomb by many. So, yeah, Sonic the Hedgehog is a bit bigger than Shenmue franchise.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 10:08:26 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NQHKSVE.gif)

Do you really think Shenmue is bigger than Sonic the Hedgehog? Really?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 15, 2015, 10:10:35 pm
SEGA owns the IP, they allowed YS Net and that Shibuya developer to make the game. Not sure we will see the usual SEGA cameos via capsule toys and arcade machines. Then again, the game is in the wilderness so it makes sense for the setting at least.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 15, 2015, 10:11:28 pm
This is my only worry, but if there is one developer I believe in then it is Yu Suzuki.

To be front and centre at E3 after so many years must be something special.

When it seemed his star had faded... That is when it shone the brightest.

THE DREAM IS ALIVE.

To be given a spot at the conference for the kickstarter has to mean something.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 10:12:47 pm
I don't think AM2 is working on Sonic the Hedgehog.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 10:13:26 pm
Thread is in wrong category. Sega has nothing to do with this, and I'm fucking pissed that this is the case.

Yu Suzuki is above SEGA here. He is for all intents and purposes, literally SEGA if SEGA was a human.

I am glad this is happening and happy SEGA respected and gave Yu Suzuki the license, now it is upto the fans to prove Shenmue III should be a thing.

I'm confused.  Does sega have nothing to do with this?

Neither Sony nor SEGA have a hand in this. SEGA gave Suzuki the IP and Sony promoted the Kickstarter, this is all Suzuki.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 15, 2015, 10:14:55 pm
They're working on Miku.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 10:19:21 pm
I get that SEGA have bigger games to make, money wise... But the fact that they cant see that Shenmue is so incredibly important and worth it is incredibly disheartening. I hope this game gets way past any imaginable stretch goal because money is all SEGA gives a shit about anymore and I hope they don't see a penny of it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 10:20:37 pm
AM2 is still supporting Borderbreak, they just released an update a few days ago. The game is still being played competitively in Japan and is still pretty popular. They are also working on Miku and another anime arcade game.

So, AM2 is still kicking. Just wish they ported their stuff to consoles more. Also Virtua Fighter 6, believe, #TGS2015
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 15, 2015, 10:22:59 pm
Believe it or not, Shenmue III is less SEGA than Bayonetta 2 was!


I don't mean that as a knock on the game, but officially, SEGA is less involved in this than Bayo 2. Though I guess one could argue Shenmue III's early life occured within SEGA, though no clue how much of it or how much of it carried over here.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 10:25:28 pm
Corporate greed has sucked all the joy and innovation out of SEGA. Shenmue 3 on the Yakuza engine could have been incredible. Now we have Shenmue 3, and we have Yu Suzuki but at what cost to the actual game? We'll see.


I'm in a mix of emotions right now.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: crackdude on June 15, 2015, 10:27:07 pm
Sega will probably publish the game, just not have any involvement in the development process
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 10:27:50 pm
I don't think AM2 is working on Sonic the Hedgehog.

AM2 isn't a console team and haven't been for a long time.

Large scale console development has only been undertaken by three studios in recent times, Sonic Team, Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio and The Creative Assembly. One is working on a bigger series and the other two probably want to work on their own stuff. It is what it is, no point getting annoyed about it when Shenmue III has finally been announced.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 10:30:04 pm
Let's be honest, arcades aren't much different from consoles anymore. Let's not pretend Arcade, consoles and PC are differentiating that much from each other.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: JRcade19 on June 15, 2015, 10:30:20 pm
UE4 gives me hope that PC stands for "something other than windows in addition", but in this particular case I doubt it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 15, 2015, 10:33:47 pm
Coming up on $1mil right about now...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 10:34:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gDHPIF3N0A



For everyone that didn't get to see it or hasn't seen it yet.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 10:35:32 pm
UPDATE: The Shenmue 3 Kickstarter is 1/2 funded (1 million dollars) after about one hour of going up. It is currently rising about $1,500 every seven seconds.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Radrappy on June 15, 2015, 10:37:44 pm
is this thing going to look like a game from 2004?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! It's fucking happening!
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 10:38:02 pm
I hope this is really not a disaster. I'm getting excited and sad at the same time for a few reasons (like I stated in the other thread).

(Skipping Shenmue Online project because Chinese)

A lot of people assume that Yu Suzuki was just 'booted' from SEGA AM2, when he was the one that wanted to expand to a new team. SEGA gave him a couple of teams that basically died. No idea why, one of the had a cancelled completed game and the last one, AM Plus, released a game that didn't do so well in arcades.

YS Net was funded to be independent from SEGA, but got funding and support from SEGA. The first game (and only one so far) was released in 2010, as Shenmue City, a mobile game. Which, if you have seen it, wasn't what fans wanted. Yu Suzuki said it was to fund Shenmue III, the project was not a success and shut down a year later.

Flash forward 5 years later....

Polygon had a interview with Yu Suzuki who was working out of his apartment...
http://www.polygon.com/a/life-in-japan/Yu-Suzuki-kitchen (http://www.polygon.com/a/life-in-japan/Yu-Suzuki-kitchen)

Now a few short months later he and other key members of Shenmue are to make a new entry to the franchise for under 8 million dollars? I think a lot of people here forget how big of a project the orginal was, not just because of the technology but because of the care they put into models, weather and other things that made it stand out.

Everyone that worked at SEGA from 1995-2000 touched and worked on something in the game. Shenmue has over 800 jingles, hundreds of unique NPC models.

So, yes, I'm a bit worried that Ys NET, a developer that made one mobile game half a decade ago is the one developing the game.

But saying that, I funded it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 10:40:23 pm
This has to be some sort of Kickstarter record. A million dollars in a couple of hours?  :afroman:
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Sharky on June 15, 2015, 10:41:30 pm
As worried as I am. I am funding the shit out of this...
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 10:44:12 pm
I just think people are so excited and are mad at SEGA,but SEGA has been working with Yu Suzuki on projects since after he left AM2. I mean, shit, how many developers get two teams to run into the ground and then go independent and still get allowed to use IPs from the company?

Sure, I wish SEGA would fund it; I hope there isn't a reason they are staying away from this...
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 10:44:34 pm
is this thing going to look like a game from 2004?

I doubt it'll look impressive but not that bad. At least he's got the lead programmer from the originals on board so that should help a lot. Art direction is a major worry though.

So, yes, I'm a bit worried that Ys NET, a developer that made one mobile game half a decade ago is the one developing the game.

But saying that, I funded it.

All very valid concerns and probably why no publisher wanted to fund it, but exciting to see what happens if Shenmue's kickstarter does well, does SEGA pick it up? Does Sony negotiate with SEGA to publish the game? Does the third one do well that a fourth one would be throwing money away to either Sony or SEGA? EXCITING TIMES!
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 15, 2015, 10:45:59 pm
What makes you guys think they are not hiring more people with the money they are raising? Isn't that the point?


Even the TJ&E Kickstarter put out job listings after the funding concluded.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Nirmugen on June 15, 2015, 10:51:54 pm
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-16-2015/ZWCPdo.gif)
That reaction and that realization for publishing thiat awesome news right now is priceless.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 15, 2015, 10:52:13 pm
We made it everyone.

Shenmue III in our lifetime.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 10:53:33 pm
We made it everyone.

Shenmue III in our lifetime.

You and I brother. We believed before no one else, and we were right. And yet we walk the path of the righteous, towards the shining future, with our beating hearts singing the grace of Suzuki!
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 10:53:40 pm
Maybe, but Yu  Suzuki mismanaging projects has been a issue for more than a decade tho. They are valid concerns.

(http://i.imgur.com/psknzlE.png)

SEGA or Sony might still be behind this.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: segaismysavior on June 15, 2015, 10:54:00 pm
Everyone's (appropriate) reaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRWL0s0l10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRWL0s0l10)


(Turn your volume down when you reach 20 seconds)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 10:57:43 pm
Might even be a split deal like SEGA publishes in Japan/Europe and Sony gets North American market.

EXCITING TIMES.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 10:57:55 pm
Are we gonna talk about the fact that Ryo sounds like the Postal Dude in the Kickstarter video? No?


Also, shenmue.com is broke. Apparently Kickstarter's servers even couldn't handle it at first.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: JRcade19 on June 15, 2015, 11:01:53 pm
I don't understand that point tbh.

Paradox picked up Pillars of Eternity
Deep Silver picked up Wasteland 2
Ubisoft picked up cloudberry kingdom

None of these publishers actually did anything to the game, they basically got the equivalent of physical/platform distribution deals but otherwise had no say on how the game was developed. I don't see this being any different. If Sega/Sony is behind this, all they're doing is basically handling distributing the game as far as I'm concerned. I can't think of a single actual kickstarter software wise atm in which a publisher literally took control after coming to deal during the game's development.

All the major ones have been left untampered.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 11:08:44 pm
The trailer was pretty bad but I'm going to wait and see. Maybe the voice acting was intentionally bad, right? RIGHT?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 15, 2015, 11:14:47 pm
We made it everyone.

Shenmue III in our lifetime.

No we haven't  and all what was showing off was no more than when the DC game took us and  Then game looks a joke the art on characters is just terrible and all we get is an small promise that we 'might' see the game in 2017. It's a joke on SONY part to have it on their main E3 stage and yet not have the commitment or backing to fund the project  I mean 2 million to corps like SEGA or SONY is nothing for starters

Joke imo .
 

 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 11:17:38 pm
No we haven't
Confirmed, TA wants to kill Mademan.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 15, 2015, 11:26:00 pm
Confirmed, TA wants to kill Mademan.

No I want Shenmue to finished the way it should be. Not a piss poor kickstarted funded project but Shenmue III and IV (because III will never finish the story imo ) to be made by a 100 plus staff and with a nice big budget, not done on the cheap and at the mercy of kickstart goals .



 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 11:28:21 pm
You're just never happy, are you TA?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: segaismysavior on June 15, 2015, 11:32:17 pm
It's a joke on SONY part to have it on their main E3 stage and yet not have the commitment or backing to fund the project

I see it more as respect. Higher-ups at Sony loved them some AM2 games growing up, so when they found out about Suzuki's Kickstarter they pulled every string imaginable to get him on that stage. That's the narrative that plays in my head, especially since Bloodstained just happened for Igarashi and this bonkers type of "crowdfunding" is fresh on people's minds.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 11:36:24 pm
You're just never happy, are you TA?

An excellent avatar change if I don't say so myself Moody.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 11:37:32 pm
Thank you! I thought about grabbing Shenhua from II but I figured this would be much more fitting for the occasion. I love her updated design so much aaaaaaaa
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 11:37:43 pm
Sony's higher ups have been funding the project and helping out. https://twitter.com/yosp/status/610659271647215616 (https://twitter.com/yosp/status/610659271647215616)

Understand that there is still a lot of mystery revolving the project. I feel like negotiations with the IP just happen. There isn't even a publisher announced and YS Net's last game was a mobile that also had a publisher.

If they needed a publisher for a mobile game, they will need one for this.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 15, 2015, 11:43:51 pm
Still...at least it made it to trending on Facebook:


 (http://i.imgur.com/97PEZh0.png)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 15, 2015, 11:47:04 pm
Thank you! I thought about grabbing Shenhua from II but I figured this would be much more fitting for the occasion. I love her updated design so much aaaaaaaa

You and me both, who would have thought this day would be so legendary.

Sony's higher ups have been funding the project and helping out. https://twitter.com/yosp/status/610659271647215616 (https://twitter.com/yosp/status/610659271647215616)

Understand that there is still a lot of mystery revolving the project. I feel like negotiations with the IP just happen. There isn't even a publisher announced and YS Net's last game was a mobile that also had a publisher.

If they needed a publisher for a mobile game, they will need one for this.

Sony publishes the console version and SEGA publishes the PC version. Everyone's happy.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Radrappy on June 15, 2015, 11:48:05 pm
Apparently ken sugimori donated 10000$ to the kickstarter, securing dinner with Mr. Suzuki : https://twitter.com/SUPER_32X/status/610645120526848000 


Now that fucking warms my heart. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 11:48:07 pm
Especially with the very early concept stuff. Didn't even have a fancy CGI trailer made like Square-Enix. The fact that its trending at E3 time with the highly overrated Final Fantasy VII remake being announced says something.

Says that people only like games that have big marketing budgets...

:")


Note: Oddly enough only PC version confirmed to have physical copies. Not PS4, which is strange because PS4 games sell more physically than digitally...
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: nuckles87 on June 15, 2015, 11:48:33 pm
It's hard to put into words how amazing this is. One of the great, big projects we thought would never come is finally here.

$2 million seems too low for a project like this, though. I wonder what kind of outside funding they're getting? I do hope SEGA's involved, at least as a distributor.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 15, 2015, 11:51:28 pm
Apparently ken sugimori donated 10000$ to the kickstarter, securing dinner with Mr. Suzuki : https://twitter.com/SUPER_32X/status/610645120526848000 (https://twitter.com/SUPER_32X/status/610645120526848000) 


Now that fucking warms my heart. 

That's awesome.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 11:53:59 pm
It's hard to put into words how amazing this is. One of the great, big projects we thought would never come is finally here.

$2 million seems too low for a project like this, though. I wonder what kind of outside funding they're getting? Do we even know the name of the dev team?

Yu Suzuki's team YS Net is making the game. As George pointed out above, they could be raising enough to get investors interested.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 15, 2015, 11:54:12 pm
Yeah I think the deal with SEGA and Ys Net is that SEGA has first dibs on publishing and has the ability to pass depending on how they feel about the project (how development is going, how the kickstarter went).

They had a deal like that with Prope, they where funded outside of SEGA (SEGA did put their own money in the studio, I think like 20%) and SEGA would get first dibs on their creation, they didn't have to answer to anyone.

SEGA published Let's Tap then passed on the rest of their games.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Moody on June 15, 2015, 11:56:47 pm
Predictions for end-of-cycle total? I'm seeing between $7 million and $8 million personally. If Mighty No. 9 and Bloodstained are any evidence, people dig projects from storied game designers.


Just wanna point out, Mighty No. 9 raised 3.8 million in just a month. In TWO HOURS, Shenmue 3 has made 1.2 million.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: JRcade19 on June 15, 2015, 11:59:01 pm
Should be noted that the physical tier(boxed copy) is PC only for some strange reason. I imagine that alone will save someone a decent count in distribution costs.

Quote
  Pledge $60 or more    PHYSICAL COPY - PC
A physical copy of Shenmue 3 in an exlusive, backer-only case (PC only).
Includes the $5 Reward.
    Estimated delivery: Dec 2017
   Ships anywhere in the world   
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 12:01:47 am
Hard to tell. How in detail are they going? People don't seem to grasp at how big Shenmue 1 and 2 where in terms of content.

"Adding up all Shenmue and Shenmue II NPC, we reached   a number of 450, maybe more. For each NPC, we created a background : name, how old the NPC is, weight, how tall, its partner, its location etc." - Yu Suzuki

http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html (http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html)

Are they doing this again? I think he said once that the 3rd game was to be bigger than the first and second. The game was suppose to be about a small town kid's grand epic journey.

There was also a thread at Shenmue Dojo where a guy gathered all the music from Shenmue, every little jingle and stuff. It was a enormous amount.

Hard to tell. It depends on how deep they want to go with it.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 12:02:38 am
I hope Yu Suzuki is active over the next 31 days. Greg Johnson was all over social networks, making new vids and talking to fans. Other kickstarters, however, seem content to post the info and leave it. I hope it isn't the case here.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: JRcade19 on June 16, 2015, 12:04:14 am

Are they doing this again? I think he said once that the 3rd game was to be bigger than the first and second. The game was suppose to be about a small town kid's grand epic journey.

From the KS page

Quote
We are balancing our ambitions for a grand sequel with the pragmatic realities of developing a game of this scale. It will not be easy, but I have dreamed of making this sequel for 14 years – it is time to bring Shenmue back!
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Draikin on June 16, 2015, 12:06:46 am
So, yes, I'm a bit worried that Ys NET, a developer that made one mobile game half a decade ago is the one developing the game.
It'll certainly remain to be seen whether they're up to the task. But realistically, they're going to be assembling a new team anyway. The lead programmer for the Shenmue series, Takeshi Hirai,  is also the CEO of Neilo, Inc, and they just announced that they're recruiting staff for Shenmue 3. This could really go either way, but realistically speaking, $2 million is nowhere near enough to make Shenmue 3 and I think they know it. They'd probably need closer to $10 million. We'll see, all we can do is hope that the people onboard have enough experience to see this project through, despite the fact that they haven't really created any AAA games for the past decade. The Unreal 4 engine seems like a good choice though.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 12:08:14 am
@JRcade19

Confirmed: Fans will complain. I figured it wasn't going to be as great as Shenmue 1/2, You can't don't it like it was done with SEGA, especially when these guys where all in their prime.

SEGA-AM2 in the 90's was a one in a lifetime group of developers. Yu Suzuki was brilliant but the whole team should get credit for all the hits they created in such short time periods.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 16, 2015, 12:11:18 am
You're just never happy, are you TA?

Happy its not a mobile game, that do you?

Quote
Higher-ups at Sony loved them some AM2 games growing up,


AM#2 or SEGA aren't making the game and if SONY had such respet for Yu Suzuki not only would they be funding Shenmue III themself's they would have Yu Suzuki and his Studio as part of ther 1st part or as a In-House studio.


I'll be far more happy of SONY was funding this game as 1st party and Yu Team have some 100 or 200 staff working on the game . 



Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 12:13:07 am
This isn't getting me confident..

(http://i.imgur.com/gAmpIX2.jpg)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 12:18:06 am
I think Suzuki of all people realizes just the kind of thing he's undertaking here. He sounds like he's spent a LOT of time thinking about this and seeing if it's truly the right thing to do, I have faith he knows what he's doing. I doubt he'll be able to assemble the biggest, greatest team ever constructed to create what will surely be the second coming of video game Christ, but I think he'll make a good game.


I think most of all, they know they're going to make more money than their base goal is.  Possibly even more than their last stretch goal. If I were Suzuki, I'd think the same thing looking at stuff like Mighty No. 9 and Bloodstained.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: JRcade19 on June 16, 2015, 12:20:33 am
Admittedly these are pretty much the worst stretch goals I've seen in a KS I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 12:44:53 am
Great news. The dream is alive. Never donated a kickstarter and this is gonna be my first one. A pc version makes me really happy.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 01:08:56 am
I get the feeling Sega will be watching this closely. Mainly due to the sheer amount of money it's making and they'll promptly release 1 and 2 for steam.

As for the team making it, it's a tall order for such a big game. That does concern me given the fact they haven't really worked on much and the work in progress shots we've seen look off at the moment. However, it's far too early to say and more importantly, screw it! I want Shenmue 3! :)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 01:31:36 am
While people here say that Sega isn't funding so they don't have a say, they do since they own the IP and can pull it. It's licensed by them and I assume they worked out a deal that would benefit them. Sega of Japan, Sony America and Yu Suzuki working out a deal. The whole Mark Cerny and Yu Suzuki talking Shenmue 3 kickstarter at the Developer awards seemed to be true.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Berto on June 16, 2015, 01:41:35 am
Still in this E3, SEGA seems more care about Hatsune Miku than Shen Mue 3.

http://gematsu.com/2015/06/hatsune-miku-project-morpheus-tech-demo-playable-e3

Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 01:47:21 am
Not to be an ass, but Sega really are ran by simpletons aren't they?

I'm pretty certain if I drove them to a target range, loaded the gun and aimed for them they'd still shoot their own foot.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 01:59:22 am
Sega actually lost very little in the consumer division this year even with those Sonic Boom bombs. They lost a shit ton of cash due to Shenmue and Dreamcast.

You have to know that just because we like something it doesn't make it mainstream. I don't see shame in Sega not funding it. It won't be made in the same attention to detail that the first two had.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 02:04:40 am
I think people need to get their expectations in check. While im very excited, I think this project is mostly to conclude the story. All the gameplay may be dumbed down or scrapped together (IE the fighting mechanics). I think i'd be cool with that. But i wouldnt be surprised if many people loved shenmue for the whole package, not just the story alone.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Berto on June 16, 2015, 02:05:46 am
Yeah, why funding on something that don't belong to them anymore.

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75643558&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch (http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75643558&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 02:06:38 am
Oh, I know. But as it's well documented, Shenmue's failure wasn't due to the game itself. It actually sold rather well.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 02:09:29 am
Yeah, why funding on something that don't belong to them anymore.

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75643558&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch (http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75643558&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch)

Out of curiosity, why do they have the copyright symbol of Sega at the bottom then?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Berto on June 16, 2015, 02:12:33 am
Out of curiosity, why do they have the copyright symbol of Sega at the bottom then?

May be because they took some footage from Dreamcast's Shen Mue 1/2.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 02:25:35 am
I'm sorry... what?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 02:54:02 am
I'm also wondering about Sega involvement...

I spent the last couple days stalking Sega profiles on Linkeldn and Facebook, and it seems Naoya Tsurumi (top boss at Sega Sammy) is friends with Keiji Infafune and Yu Suzuki

https://www.facebook.com/naoya.tsurumi/friends?pnref=lhc (https://www.facebook.com/naoya.tsurumi/friends?pnref=lhc)

Tsurumi is also the one who bought Atlus and made comments about them letting use Sega IP. And I think that Suzuki is referring to him when he said "Sega is no problem for Shenmue 3, they just dont want the financial risk".

My impression - seems like he is a nicer executive - letting Shenmue 3 and Bayonetta 2 get made.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 03:03:41 am
Oh, I know. But as it's well documented, Shenmue's failure wasn't due to the game itself. It actually sold rather well.
SEGA invested the money in hopes that it would be another big game that would sell units the way that Virtua Fighter sold the saturn, but in a world wide way. Shenmue was a failure in what SEGA wanted, it didn't move Dreamcasts and wasn't a bigger hit than Virtua Fighter. Especially considering that the Saturn and Virtua Fighter 1/2 attach rate was crazy. i think at one point everyone that owned a Saturn owned a copy of the game.

Marvel vs Capcom, Crazy Taxi and Sonic Adventure all sold better than Shenmue and altogether cost way less than Shenmue did.

I love the games, but let's not pretend it wasn't a failure for SEGA. People want to think failure means the game isn't good. The game is great, just the fact of life sadly.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 03:09:22 am
It's at 85%. Donated 100 bucks. By far the largest contribution I've ever made.


I'm still trying to process all this information...
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 03:14:55 am
Right, and I think Yakuza has replaced Shenmue....Sega president Hideki Sato said: "altough Shenmue has not recouped the cost, we can lent the experience into future projects..."

Then Suzuki said: " I'm thankful that Nagoshi has been able to learn from the challenges I endured, and use it to give back to Sega. It's a good thing for Sega and I'm very thankful for that."
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 03:17:16 am
I picked this up on NeoGaf (http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168256584&postcount=2829):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJTWEEi6BM


The way they reacted was... priceless.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 03:26:03 am
Right, and I think Yakuza has replaced Shenmue....Sega president Hideki Sato said: "altough Shenmue has not recouped the cost, we can lent the experience into future projects..."

Then Suzuki said: " I'm thankful that Nagoshi has been able to learn from the challenges I endured, and use it to give back to Sega. It's a good thing for Sega and I'm very thankful for that."
Sounds like PR speak, no other game used the Shenmue engine that I know of.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 03:29:55 am
Sounds like PR speak, no other game used the Shenmue engine that I know of.

I'm assuming just production management and such. Like building a big game.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 03:30:18 am
SEGA invested the money in hopes that it would be another big game that would sell units the way that Virtua Fighter sold the saturn, but in a world wide way. Shenmue was a failure in what SEGA wanted, it didn't move Dreamcasts and wasn't a bigger hit than Virtua Fighter. Especially considering that the Saturn and Virtua Fighter 1/2 attach rate was crazy. i think at one point everyone that owned a Saturn owned a copy of the game.

Marvel vs Capcom, Crazy Taxi and Sonic Adventure all sold better than Shenmue and altogether cost way less than Shenmue did.

I love the games, but let's not pretend it wasn't a failure for SEGA. People want to think failure means the game isn't good. The game is great, just the fact of life sadly.

I'm not. I'm saying it was a failure because of Sega. The marketing was completely irrelevant to what the game was, they pumped so much money into the Saturn then DC version it was impossible to claw it all back and by the time it was released, the DC was already bleeding out. It was said that each DC owner had to buy two copies for it to make money or another words, it had to convince gamers to buy the same number of DC's again. That was never going to happen.

Oh, and let's not forget about sticking the sequel on a completely new console that was still finding it's place.

If it's true they wanted it to sell bigger than VF, then that's also silly. VF was (is) a well established franchise that grew a fanbase over the years. Shenmue was something completely new.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 03:43:30 am
Virtua Fighter 1 (not the sequel) sold 1:1 with the Saturn on launch. Virtua Figher was a NEW IP.

"Sega released the Saturn in Japan on November 22, 1994, at a price of JP¥44,800. Virtua Fighter, a nearly indistinguishable port of the popular arcade game, sold at a nearly one-to-one ratio with the Saturn hardware at launch and was crucial to the system's early success in Japan."

Crazy Taxi was also a 'first entry IP' and still outsold Shenmue. Not to mention the VF port on Saturn was terrible.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 03:55:12 am
And? Doesn't automatically mean Shenmue or anything else will have the same ratio.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 04:02:36 am
I dunno if I'm understanding your logic right here, you think SEGA put 80 million dollars into a project thinking it wasn't going to sell and be a world wide hit like Virtua Fighter was in Japan? You think they said "You know what? I know we just lost a ton on the Saturn, but we need to fund this Shenmue game. It will sell 1.5 million copies and send us deeper into debt!"

You do know not selling as expected and being a cult franchise that was unappreciated is fine, right?   Shenmue supporters feel like the game was a huge success and SEGA 'just decided' not to make a sequel because it 'hates money'.

The funny thing is, SEGA lost the most money it ever did during the Dreamcast era.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 04:44:49 am
94% funded. It'll be fully funded by lunchtime.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 04:51:08 am
We don't actually know how much it cost as Yu Suzuki himself has said two different numbers. 80 to me, seems far too high even back then personally.

What I'm saying is, they wanted Shenmue to be a big title for them and they poured money into. However, expecting Shenmue to "save" the DC even back then was ridiculous. It was already dying before it was released and it's unlikely one game would turn that around. Throw in the theory that it needed to sell twice as many copies then the DC sold just to hit profit and it's even more absurd.

Take the stupidity of that out and simply work off the the number of DC's around, it sold well. On a more successful console, maybe it would of sold even better? We'll have to see I suppose.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 05:22:23 am
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2cgopl2.jpg)

I predict that it'll be fully funded in 'bout an hour.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 05:33:47 am
I agree with Andromeda, it's not 100% positive. The fan remake that someone did in their free time looks better than this, which was about equal with a Yakuza game. Then the Kickstarter and pages all look unproffesional.

And Sony could care less...we saw with them saying "it is very much their project", its all on Suzuki and Kickstarter.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Orta on June 16, 2015, 05:38:05 am
THIS IS NOW THE GLORIOUS DAY OF SHENMUE III BEING FULLY FUNDED ON KICKSTARTER!
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Berto on June 16, 2015, 05:38:08 am
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2cgopl2.jpg)

I predict that it'll be fully funded in 'bout an hour.

Yep. It's finally funded now !!!
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 05:45:46 am
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2i8amh1.gif)

Dreams can come true.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 05:50:11 am
So how much do you guys think this is gonna make in the end? Will it reach 10 million> ?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Tad on June 16, 2015, 05:51:20 am
It'll slow down eventually, so I think around 6ish.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 06:31:11 am
Well I imagine 2017 is optimistic. Someone will be funding. I don't imagine this will be done on 2 million dollars.


The model of ryo sucks, but I think the art in general looks fine, TA. Don't be such a negative nancy.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Berto on June 16, 2015, 06:31:24 am
The sad thing is.. may be there won't be SEGA logo like in this fan box art.

(https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaupload/tmp/067b4d4aaa29a3981d2bb354534eaab86c69f44b4181a9ffaa0214ac/original.jpg?w=600&h)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 06:32:57 am
It'll be purely YS I'd say.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 06:45:59 am
They'd be no logo on the box because... there's no physical Playstation 4 version!

Anyway wouldn't be surprised if SEGA isn't publishing the PC version.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 06:47:15 am
So how much do you guys think this is gonna make in the end? Will it reach 10 million> ?

My best guess, is 4 million. At best.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:01:07 am
My best guess, is 4 million. At best.

No way this doesn't eclipse either Mighty No 9 or Igavania.

$12 million.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 07:08:20 am
No way this doesn't eclipse either Mighty No 9 or Igavania.

$12 million.
Its crazy to think that shenmue could have larger support than bigger franchises like castlevania and megaman. Would be amazing
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:16:54 am
Its crazy to think that shenmue could have larger support than bigger franchises like castlevania and megaman. Would be amazing

Shenmue is larger than either series.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 07:22:03 am
Shenmue is larger than either series.
What makes you say that? My view is that it may possibly have a more passionate following than the other 2, but the other 2 games are much better known?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:25:04 am
What makes you say that? My view is that it may possibly have a more passionate following than the other 2, but the other 2 games are much better known?

Sales.

Casltevania and Megaman rarely sold over a million.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 07:35:42 am
Sales.

Casltevania and Megaman rarely sold over a million.

Well in total franchise sales, they pretty much sold more than any Sega franchise other than Sonic.

Not making MegaMan and CastleVania is like not making Sonic and Mario imo
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:38:44 am
Well in total franchise sales, it pretty much sold more than any Sega franchise other than Sonic.

Not making MegaMan and CastleVania is like not making Sonic and Mario imo

Megaman and Castlevania went into sub 100k sales territory. They're really not the same as Mario or Sonic or even close.

I mean the number of releases probably helped them go past certain series but I wouldn't be surprised if Total War and Puyo Puyo outranks them in sales. Some of the Megaman titles saw awful sales, the series retiring had more to do with declining sales than Capcom being evil.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 07:40:46 am
We don't actually know how much it cost as Yu Suzuki himself has said two different numbers. 80 to me, seems far too high even back then personally.

What I'm saying is, they wanted Shenmue to be a big title for them and they poured money into. However, expecting Shenmue to "save" the DC even back then was ridiculous. It was already dying before it was released and it's unlikely one game would turn that around. Throw in the theory that it needed to sell twice as many copies then the DC sold just to hit profit and it's even more absurd.

Take the stupidity of that out and simply work off the the number of DC's around, it sold well. On a more successful console, maybe it would of sold even better? We'll have to see I suppose.

Well, think about it another way. The game started development around 1995 or 1996 on the Saturn, and Sega blew a shit ton of money on it, and then had to scrap it for the DC version. They effectively made a killer app, twice.

Of course they didn't release it thinking DC owners would buy two copies. They hoped, but I highly doubt they expected, that it would move Dreamcasts, the way Virtua Fighter sold Saturns, or Sonic sold MDs. They hyped the living hell out of the game and advertised it very well (at least in the USA).

Sega definitely supported the game. YS is just inept at running a studio.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:42:48 am
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html

Megaman series has sold 31,000,000 million units between 131 titles. Harder to know the series impact without knowing how much the best selling title sold.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 07:45:06 am
Well in total franchise sales, they pretty much sold more than any Sega franchise other than Sonic.

Not making MegaMan and CastleVania is like not making Sonic and Mario imo

Maybe in acclaim. CastleVania never shifted huge numbers. I don't think SotN was even a big seller outside Japan.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 07:46:57 am
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html

Megaman series has sold 31,000,000 million units between 131 titles. Harder to know the series impact without knowing how much the best selling title sold.

Even still, that's clocking only 240k or so a release
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 07:47:32 am
Interesting stuff Aki. I still stand by it being an amazing sight to behold if shenmue surpasses the highest (5.5 million for bloodstained) of the 2. I wonder how many people nowadays actually appreciate the franchise. Since 1&2 remaster havent been anounced(yet), this should mostly appeal to those who already love the franchise.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:49:07 am
Even still, that's clocking only 240k or so a release

Yeah exactly. It's hard to know if the series was all that big unless we get specific numbers. If the game maintains 700k units between most mainline entries it's easy to say that Megaman is as big as people make it out to be.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Nirmugen on June 16, 2015, 07:56:30 am
The only things relevant that I know for those franchises for sure is that their last main titles (Order of Ecclesia and Mega Man 10/ZX series) sold very bad.

They refocused both series in different routes(Mainstream media for Castlevania and Mechandising,Fanservice and Niche markets for Mega man) but when the economical situation was hitting big, they choose to stop before something bad happen.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 08:11:38 am
First of all: Barry, I believe you need to double my Kudos after our wager.

No one thinks its Shenmue 3, we think its a Shenmue type announcement. Most likely a HD port, I very highly doubt its III

I honestly thought HD 1&2 was the best we'd be able to get. This is just... above and beyond.
A few things that worry me. Yu NET is very small studio and hasn't really done anything. AM2 at the time of making Shenmue had decades of experience. 2 Million is a low budget and so far the assets release are troublesome.

I know people here will get mad for even saying something like that, but lets be honest...

I wasn't joking when I posted the pic of old man Stallone earlier in the thread.
It's accurate.
"It's the best we got"

I don't see why SEGA have to be such cunts about it and I seriously hope this gets funded out of its ass and when SEGA see the money their missing out on they feel like complete and utter chumps.

I've been saying this for the last few years. Don't hold out expecting big things from Sega, they are rolling in FREEMIUM APP money now.

The fact that they are giving YSNet the rights to use the IP is almost a small miracle. Again, 'It's the best we got'.

This is Sega 2015, not Sega 1999.

If that's the case, then 2 Mill for Shenmue 3? Looks like we will be getting the turn-based jrpg visual novel version of Shenmue 3.

You might be right though as the stretch goals seem to indicate fixed funding requirements. Guess we'll see how this goes.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony is funding this further in the background, like Igavania. Already has potential corporate investors, but they want the Kickstarter to market and gauge interest. Why else would it be at their E3 conference and console-exclusive to them?

SEGA isn't being bad for not funding the game, infact, SEGA are being pretty dandy in allowing Yu Suzuki to do whatever he wants with his own game.

Fact is the first two lost SEGA money so they weren't going to fund it in any shape or form, however I don't see them not promoting it or helping Yu Suzuki out like they do with all their friendly developers like FromSoftware, Index etc in some form or shape.

Lost opportunity? Maybe, but outside of the Yakuza team all their console teams capable of making Shenmue III are working on bigger franchises than Shenmue, just plain fact.

Pretty much, Sega can make more money for less risk with all their other avenues of business.

Besides being excited for this, I'm also just really happy for Yu Suzuki. He really deserves this.

Me too, he must be so stoked to be able to finally work on this again.

I was talking to a friend about this last night, and he kept asking 'Is Yu Suzuki directing? I don't care unless he's involved'. At this point I didn't have all the details but I couldn't imagine him not being involved. This is his baby.
I don't think AM2 is working on Sonic the Hedgehog.

They are making Virtua Fighter 6.

I hope this game gets way past any imaginable stretch goal because money is all SEGA gives a shit about anymore
Have you not been following Sega for the last few years?

Bayonetta 2? Nah, palm that off to Nintendo, we need to make Total War Battles: Kingdom.

You and I brother. We believed before no one else, and we were right. And yet we walk the path of the righteous, towards the shining future, with our beating hearts singing the grace of Suzuki!

We were talking about this before, we both secretly expected it to be HD 1&2. But I think we both had that little spark, deep down inside somewhere thinking, maybe, just maybe it's part 3.
Everyone's (appropriate) reaction:

(Turn your volume down when you reach 20 seconds)

I LOVE that video.

Are we gonna talk about the fact that Ryo sounds like the Postal Dude in the Kickstarter video? No?

It was the worst voice acting since... well Shenmue 1. That HAD to be on purpose.

No we haven't  and all what was showing off was no more than when the DC game took us and  Then game looks a joke the art on characters is just terrible and all we get is an small promise that we 'might' see the game in 2017. It's a joke on SONY part to have it on their main E3 stage and yet not have the commitment or backing to fund the project  I mean 2 million to corps like SEGA or SONY is nothing for starters

Joke imo .
 

Confirmed, TA wants to kill Mademan.

fite me irl

No I want Shenmue to finished the way it should be. Not a piss poor kickstarted funded project but Shenmue III and IV (because III will never finish the story imo ) to be made by a 100 plus staff and with a nice big budget, not done on the cheap and at the mercy of kickstart goals .

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you might find....
YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED.

This is the best we could hope for in this day and age. Let's be real here, the fact that we've gotten this is a fucking miracle.


The game was funded in about 9 hours, that's phenomenal.

I'm in for $500.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 08:18:41 am
I've been saying this for the last few years. Don't hold out expecting big things from Sega, they are rolling in FREEMIUM APP money now.

The fact that they are giving YSNet the rights to use the IP is almost a small miracle. Again, 'It's the best we got'.

This is Sega 2015, not Sega 1999.

SEGA 2015 - You cunts all ran us out of business, now make our games. FUCKING DICKS.

Next up, Microsoft continuing the Panzer Dragon series whilst SEGA laughs manically preparing movies for all their IPs about to be made by the big 3.

[spoiler]Alien: Isolation 2 is going to be big Mang :' <[/spoiler]

We were talking about this before, we both secretly expected it to be HD 1&2. But I think we both had that little spark, deep down inside somewhere thinking, maybe, just maybe it's part 3.

Deep down I believed. It is in our VERY SEGA DNA.

SEGA is changing the game.

Next it's Kickstarting Shinobi 4.

I BELIEVE (In crowd funding)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 08:25:49 am
So chaps.

Who do you think is going to big up the publishing rights to this?

Personally I think Sony and SEGA are going to pool some development resources into this project, Sony getting hold of the Playstation 4 rights and SEGA getting hold of that sweet sweet digital PC rights.

No way is the Kickstarter going to be it for Shenmue, this is just testing the waters.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: SOUP on June 16, 2015, 08:28:25 am
I legit almost teared up when they announced this.
Pledged that $30 as soon as the Kickstarter page let me through.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 08:29:27 am

Next up, Microsoft continuing the Panzer Dragon series whilst SEGA laughs manically preparing movies for all their IPs about to be made by the big 3.

Crimson Dragon?



So chaps.


Who do you think is going to big up the publishing rights to this?


Personally I think Sony and SEGA are going to pool some development resources into this project, Sony getting hold of the Playstation 4 rights and SEGA getting hold of that sweet sweet digital PC rights.


No way is the Kickstarter going to be it for Shenmue, this is just testing the waters.


I think Sega might want to do Shenmue Online together with YS.Net, and Sony might do a bit of promotion but that is it.


Obscure companies like Shibuya Productions are gonna fund this.


Also I want Mitsuyoshi to return.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 08:31:18 am
Crimson Dragon?

I wonder if Futatsugi ever approached SEGA to get the rights for Panzer Dragoon on board for a new game?

Or all of them are looking enviously towards Yu Suzuki.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 08:31:56 am
I agree: it'll be Sega and Sony on the box. Sony gets PS4, Sega gets PC. I wouldn't be surprised if Sega and Sony throws a couple million dollars at this.


I wonder what the budget will be? I'm guessing about 25 million. Half from kickstarter, then the other 12 mill split between Sony and Sega.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 08:33:56 am
I wonder if Futatsugi ever approached SEGA to get the rights for Panzer Dragoon on board for a new game?

Or all of them are looking enviously towards Yu Suzuki.

I doubt it. I don't think Sega's been a dick about IP rights. Didn't they let Mizuguchi mess around with Rez several years ago? 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 08:34:54 am
I wonder if Futatsugi ever approached SEGA to get the rights for Panzer Dragoon on board for a new game?

Or all of them are looking enviously towards Yu Suzuki.

Futatsugi hasn't shown interrest in Panzer Dragoon. It was MS who said "hey a Panzer game would be great"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 16, 2015, 08:39:12 am
So much negativity in here surrounding the art. The game had zero funding, what were you expecting? A full CGI trailer?


Pretty sure Yu Suzuki and anybody else on the team know about the higher standards of games nowadays. Give it time, it will look great once they get into making it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 08:40:46 am
I doubt it. I don't think Sega's been a dick about IP rights. Didn't they let Mizuguchi mess around with Rez several years ago? 

Yeah I agree and yes Mizuguchi got it free of charge.

Makes me wish some more of SEGA's developers like Kodama or Oba went independent and tried to make stuff like Skies of Arcadia 2 or Shinobi 4. But I guess job safety is pretty important to them considering Japan's economy and all.

Futatsugi hasn't shown interrest in Panzer Dragoon. It was MS who said "hey a Panzer game would be great"

Crimson Dragon felt so much like Panzer Dragoon (From videos anyway) I can't not think he wasn't interested in making another title in the series but maybe he wanted an IP he could control forever I guess.

So much negativity in here surrounding the art. The game had zero funding, what were you expecting? A full CGI trailer?

Pretty sure Yu Suzuki and anybody else on the team know about the higher standards of games nowadays. Give it time, it will look great once they get into making it.

I was expecting a glorious celebration of innovation not this shitt- NO CAN'T LIE STILL HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED \O/ SHENMUE 3 IS HAPPENING GUYS.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 08:44:13 am
So much negativity in here surrounding the art. The game had zero funding, what were you expecting? A full CGI trailer?


Pretty sure Yu Suzuki and anybody else on the team know about the higher standards of games nowadays. Give it time, it will look great once they get into making it.

I'm not worried that Yu doesn't know about advances in gaming since 2002. I'm worried he won't have the budget to make it phenomenal.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 08:47:39 am
I'm not worried that Yu doesn't know about advances in gaming since 2002. I'm worried he won't have the budget to make it phenomenal.

I think after this Kickstarter is all said and done, he'll have no problem getting additional funding from either Sony or SEGA.

It's like the best possible market testing either can hope for. Wither it would be enough for Shenmue remains to be seen, but they've already got a huge obstacle in the engine out of the way nice and early.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 08:50:42 am
SEGA 2015 - You cunts all ran us out of business, now make our games. FUCKING DICKS.

Next up, Microsoft continuing the Panzer Dragon series whilst SEGA laughs manically preparing movies for all their IPs about to be made by the big 3.

For real, I wonder if this will open the floodgates for more stuff like this? It's being proven time and again a viable way to fund niche titles.

Who do you think is going to big up the publishing rights to this?

I honestly don't know. I figured Kickstarter was a way to circumvent Publishers altogether, but someone will surely want to lay their hands on the fastest funded game ever.

I feel like Sony is more likely than Sega at this point.

I'm not worried that Yu doesn't know about advances in gaming since 2002. I'm worried he won't have the budget to make it phenomenal.

I'm actually bracing myself for a very disappointing game, but at this stage I don't even mind if it's B-grade territory, just having Shenmue III will be enough.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 16, 2015, 08:51:22 am
I think after this Kickstarter is all said and done, he'll have no problem getting additional funding from either Sony or SEGA.

It's like the best possible market testing either can hope for. Wither it would be enough for Shenmue remains to be seen, but they've already got a huge obstacle in the engine out of the way nice and early.

Yes, it is quite clear Sony or SEGA are going to jump aboard this once they realize how profitable it can be for them. Happened with Mighty No. 9:

http://www.mightyno9.com/en/20150429 (http://www.mightyno9.com/en/20150429)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: 1/2 funded!
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 08:52:18 am
I had a really weird restless nights sleep and I dreampt about Shenmue 3 all night...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 08:55:59 am
For real, I wonder if this will open the floodgates for more stuff like this? It's being proven time and again a viable way to fund niche titles.

SEGA are already crowdfunding mobile games in Japan www.crowdrive.com (http://www.crowddrive.com)

They also said in future it might be used to crowdfund console games... Who knows.

I honestly don't know. I figured Kickstarter was a way to circumvent Publishers altogether, but someone will surely want to lay their hands on the fastest funded game ever.

I feel like Sony is more likely than Sega at this point.

Sony doesn't publish PC games and I'm not sure SEGA will allow a third party outside of a console developer to publish one of their IPs.

I mean Suzuki could self-publish it but I doubt that too.

Yes, it is quite clear Sony or SEGA are going to jump aboard this once they realize how profitable it can be for them. Happened with Mighty No. 9:

http://www.mightyno9.com/en/20150429 (http://www.mightyno9.com/en/20150429)

Easy money really for both of them if they can see Yu Suzuki obtain $10 - $20 million of the funding via Kickstarter. Then split an additional $5 - $10 million between themselves.. Hey presto, $40 million budget :- D

(It definitely won't be that simple)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 09:05:52 am
For real, I wonder if this will open the floodgates for more stuff like this? It's being proven time and again a viable way to fund niche titles.

I honestly don't know. I figured Kickstarter was a way to circumvent Publishers altogether, but someone will surely want to lay their hands on the fastest funded game ever.

I feel like Sony is more likely than Sega at this point.

I'm actually bracing myself for a very disappointing game, but at this stage I don't even mind if it's B-grade territory, just having Shenmue III will be enough.

I think the problem is that I would have been a lot less willing to throw money Sega's way than Yu Suzuki's. Logically it doesn't really matter, but at some level I couldn't bring myself to donate or pledge to donate a few hundred dollars to a cooperation. Maybe Sega, but Sony or MS or Ninty would be a complete nonstarter for me. I imagine most would feel that way about Sega. So it might help niche developers make niche titles, but I doubt we would see this work for something like Streets of Rage or shinobi.


I'm expecting this to be mediocre, yeah. When this was the "do you think Sega should make Shenmue 3?" thread ages ago, I voted no. I think it will be a great story, I think it will be fun gameplay, but I think it's production values and content will be rough. I've said for a while I would take it anyway I can, and I'm going to stick to it, but Im bracing myself.

Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 09:17:00 am
In for $500.
Those toy capsules will be mine!

Thread is in wrong category. Sega has nothing to do with this, and I'm fucking pissed that this is the case.

This... is probably true actually. I pushed that Bayonetta 2 wasn't Sega, and I guess this isn't either.
This means I can keep shit-talking Sega.

Also it might be better this way, Yu Suzuki might have more freedom.

SEGA owns the IP, they allowed YS Net and that Shibuya developer to make the game. Not sure we will see the usual SEGA cameos via capsule toys and arcade machines. Then again, the game is in the wilderness so it makes sense for the setting at least.

I want VF Character toys :(

SEGA

Stop capitalising Sega, you're an adult. ;)

So, yes, I'm a bit worried that Ys NET, a developer that made one mobile game half a decade ago is the one developing the game.

But saying that, I funded it.
As worried as I am. I am funding the shit out of this...

Oh I agree, I'm bracing for a trainwreck, but I don't care. I'm in like fucking Flynn.
I have every faith in Yu Suzuki as a director, but he can't work miracles.

I'm concerned about Yu Suzuki mentioning getting move scrolls and using them 'without practice'. Worries me that it might be super dumbed down, or even best case scenario, we won't see Ryo developing the move as he gets better. Remember getting a move scroll and the move looked really jank and weak at first, and then by the time you master it, it looks phenomenal? It was one of my favourite parts of the system. Seeing my favourite moves develop into stronger versions was great.

Understandable though, the lower budget and all. Like I said, brace for the worst.

Sounds like PR speak, no other game used the Shenmue engine that I know of.

I do think a lot of the tech they developed was re-used though?

Shenmue is larger than either series.
Its crazy to think that shenmue could have larger support than bigger franchises like castlevania and megaman. Would be amazing
I imagine being announced at the single biggest gaming event of the year helped it a smidge.

Also the average backing amount is $80 per person. All us die hards are coming out with wallets in hand.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 09:17:47 am
Realistically I see this kick starter reaching about 5 million USD tops.

I've still yet to put my money in but I am considering the $100, don't actually have that at the moment... Does any one know if I can do one funding option and then bump it up to the next later on?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 09:20:04 am
Stop capitalising Sega, you're an adult. ;)

SEGA is an abbreviation of Service Games so capitalising is perfectly fine.

Legal documents and the company itself refers to it as SEGA.

Basically FUCK YOU CUNT.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 09:22:31 am
Yes, it is quite clear Sony or SEGA are going to jump aboard this once they realize how profitable it can be for them. Happened with Mighty No. 9:

http://www.mightyno9.com/en/20150429 (http://www.mightyno9.com/en/20150429)

Except Capcom didn't dip in for Mighty No.9

Deep Silver is a just publishint/distrubution firm. Suzuki already has help from a company called Shibuya Productions. I stand by Sony and Sega not giving a shit.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 09:24:15 am
Realistically I see this kick starter reaching about 5 million USD tops.

I've still yet to put my money in but I am considering the $100, don't actually have that at the moment... Does any one know if I can do one funding option and then bump it up to the next later on?
Read the FAQs on the site, pretty sure you can change the amount up until the 'closing' date (July 31st  I believe).

SEGA are already crowdfunding mobile games in Japan www.crowdrive.com (http://www.crowddrive.com)

They also said in future it might be used to crowdfund console games... Who knows.

Sony doesn't publish PC games and I'm not sure SEGA will allow a third party outside of a console developer to publish one of their IPs.

I mean Suzuki could self-publish it but I doubt that too.

I find it really weird that they are using it to fund Mobile games. Those are traditionally meant to be the low risk options already. You'd think Crowd Funding is better utilized for bigger budget stuff like console games.

And yeah, Sony doesn't publish PC games, I guess Sega might get involved for that. I'm interested to see how it's going to play out.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 09:25:27 am
SEGA is an abbreviation of Service Games so capitalising is perfectly fine.

Legal documents and the company itself refers to it as SEGA.

Basically FUCK YOU CUNT.

Sega = True Sega Fans
SEGA = Sonic Adventure 2 Nintendo Babby

(I'm just kidding, I love you bro. We made it to Shenmue III.)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 09:27:12 am
Sega = True Sega Fans
SEGA = Sonic Adventure 2 Nintendo Babby

(I'm just kidding, I love you bro. We made it to Shenmue III.)

Actually more Nintendo fans refer to them as Sega than SEGA.

Guess we know why you shit talk SEGA now, you're a closet Nintendo fan mang :<

(I'm not kidding, I hate you bro, I MADE IT TO SHENMUE III :3 )

[spoiler]I'm really kidding... Or am I?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 09:29:29 am
Except Capcom didn't dip in for Mighty No.9

Deep Silver is a just publishint/distrubution firm. Suzuki already has help from a company called Shibuya Productions. I stand by Sony and Sega not giving a shit.

Real talk, if Sony really gave a shit they wouldn't have promoted a Kickstarter. The real saviour of Shenmue is Yu Suzuki and no one else.

I find it really weird that they are using it to fund Mobile games. Those are traditionally meant to be the low risk options already. You'd think Crowd Funding is better utilized for bigger budget stuff like console games.

And yeah, Sony doesn't publish PC games, I guess Sega might get involved for that. I'm interested to see how it's going to play out.

It's indie mobile games. I'll imagine SEGA doesn't hold the rights to the IPs.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 09:31:27 am
(I'm not kidding, I hate you bro, I MADE IT TO SHENMUE III :3 )

[spoiler]I'm really kidding... Or am I?[/spoiler]

Shenmue III means everyone on this forum loves each other.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 09:33:15 am
Bad and naughty children are visited by the Hazuki of Rage when they doubt the development of Shenmue 3.



(https://36.media.tumblr.com/62f9b4afd15469b3e7240a9c7b2f1999/tumblr_inline_nq0w58kQZK1s9yz51_540.jpg)


(Also wow, that new model really does look bad even compared to the All-Stars games. But I suppose they couldn't really gt the rights to those...)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 09:36:29 am
Shenmue III means everyone on this forum loves each other.

If last night hadn't happened, this would be a good time to use the "Maybe the real Shenmue 3 was the friends we made along the way" line.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 09:43:04 am
I doubt SEGA will even lift a finger for this game... Luckily it's coming to PC so if there are a lot of problems and terrible in game models modder will probably fix it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 09:48:32 am
Shibuya Productions is yet to do any video game projects, they've done movies and animation so this will be their first real leap into the gaming industry.

http://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/projets.html

(Also wow, that new model really does look bad even compared to the All-Stars games. But I suppose they couldn't really gt the rights to those...)

Shit it does.

Yu needs to walk into SEGA's offices tomorrow and depend they hand over those assets to him.

Especially the forklift, very crucial to the game's design.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 09:49:47 am
If last night hadn't happened, this would be a good time to use the "Maybe the real Shenmue 3 was the friends we made along the way" line.

Kudos for that.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 09:52:17 am
Shenmue III means everyone on this forum loves each other.

Until the next mobile game is announced that'll make you all go into a fit of rage and want to burn down the forums.

(Whilst I'm rubbing my hands at playing it AHAHAHAHAHAHA)

If last night hadn't happened, this would be a good time to use the "Maybe the real Shenmue 3 was the friends we made along the way" line.

What if Shenmue 3 bombs and Shenmue 4 is finally iced forever? Dun dun dun.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 09:56:35 am
What if Shenmue 3 bombs and Shenmue 4 is finally iced forever? Dun dun dun.

Then we hunker down for another 15 years until it gets revealed at E3 2030.
Kudos for that.

Speaking of which, where are my Kudos, Barry you WEASEL!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 09:56:39 am
Shibuya Productions is yet to do any video game projects, they've done movies and animation so this will be their first real leap into the gaming industry.

http://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/projets.html

People should expect alot more of these firms to open up in the feature, the gap between kickstarter and creators
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 10:20:35 am
So will it reach 3 million by the end of the first day? I think it will be at 2.6 personally. I think it'll reach 4 million by the end of the week and will dramatically slow after that. Maybe making 5 million by the end.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 10:23:27 am
So will it reach 3 million by the end of the first day? I think it will be at 2.6 personally. I think it'll reach 4 million by the end of the week and will dramatically slow after that. Maybe making 5 million by the end.

Kickstarters are traditionally really strongly funded at the very beginning and very end of the campaign. I think if it's at 3 million by the time it slows down, it'll potentially hit 5 or 6 by the last day. The last day or two you get everyone who 'umm and ahh's about it having to make a choice.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 10:28:15 am
Kickstarters are traditionally really strongly funded at the very beginning and very end of the campaign. I think if it's at 3 million by the time it slows down, it'll potentially hit 5 or 6 by the last day. The last day or two you get everyone who 'umm and ahh's about it having to make a choice.


I'm not sure there's a large group who would um and aw with this though. I imagine most Shenmue fans are putting their money where their mouth is, and fairly soon.

I think 10 total, but it could just be optimism.

They probably should have set a higher goal.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 10:30:13 am
Realistically I see this kick starter reaching about 5 million USD tops.

I've still yet to put my money in but I am considering the $100, don't actually have that at the moment... Does any one know if I can do one funding option and then bump it up to the next later on?

You can. There's a manage pledge option once you've donated.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 10:31:08 am
^Have to take into account, there are a lot of people who'll just ride the wave of hype. Not to mention people who want to back but need time to get their funds together etc.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 10:36:07 am
^Have to take into account, there are a lot of people who'll just ride the wave of hype. Not to mention people who want to back but need time to get their funds together etc.

Fair with time to get funds together, definitely agree with the hype wave.

You know the best part of all this is no longer having to read people moaning about Shenmue 3 in the comments every time Sega is in the news.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 10:39:25 am
I'm in the camp of "getting the funds together." I wanna get the digital copy, but I'm short on cash, but the more I think about it, that physical copy is REALLY alluring, so I may just buckle down and go for the sixty dollar reward.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 10:40:19 am
I am consdering upping my pledge, the rewards seem pretty nice.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 11:10:35 am
Pretty cool milestone I just saw, 1000 backers for every day the kick starter has left... On the first day too. Pretty awesome to see!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11227051_10153434800189380_3783400524974647904_n.jpg?oh=63371836fe590a7e538589ee6b3dba1d&oe=562D0C0C&__gda__=1441934169_fbaae73ef60961396a8583d0e2ae75a5)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 11:13:40 am
Pretty cool milestone I just saw, 1000 backers for every day the kick starter has left... On the first day too. Pretty awesome to see!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11227051_10153434800189380_3783400524974647904_n.jpg?oh=63371836fe590a7e538589ee6b3dba1d&oe=562D0C0C&__gda__=1441934169_fbaae73ef60961396a8583d0e2ae75a5)

Already 170 more backed in the time since you took that screenshot. This is nuts.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 11:34:56 am
This is too good... It's righteous! RIGHTEOUS!

Also it's now passed 2.5 million USD.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 11:39:43 am
You can. There's a manage pledge option once you've donated.

Cool thanks!
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 12:23:46 pm
I'm at $60 now but might up it to $100 which I think is the most sensible tier. Art book and other stuff sound nice, but we really don't know the quality of the capsule toys (unlike the TJ&E kickstarter which had them finished and photographed). Also, I think the tiers are a bit too high for certain prizes. $300 tier is so damn tempting, but I don't have $300 to spend. :(
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 12:25:26 pm
I'm also going for the 100.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 12:28:19 pm
I figure 2.5 years of waiting for the game, that extra $40 allows early access at least.

I wonder if the game will retain Virtua Fighter style combat? That was one of the elements to the game that I think really relied on SEGA and AM2's development abilities. I'd hate to see a cheap imitation or scrapping that sort of combat for something else.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 12:38:56 pm
I figure 2.5 years of waiting for the game, that extra $40 allows early access at least.

I wonder if the game will retain Virtua Fighter style combat? That was one of the elements to the game that I think really relied on SEGA and AM2's development abilities. I'd hate to see a cheap imitation or scrapping that sort of combat for something else.

I'm honestly not sure what to expect. He did mention the move scrolls are going to be different, which I don't like. As I said, I'm bracing for the worst, hoping for the best.

I'm at $60 now but might up it to $100 which I think is the most sensible tier. Art book and other stuff sound nice, but we really don't know the quality of the capsule toys (unlike the TJ&E kickstarter which had them finished and photographed). Also, I think the tiers are a bit too high for certain prizes. $300 tier is so damn tempting, but I don't have $300 to spend. :(

$100 gets you the early access which is nice. I wonder if I would want to do that, or wait for the 'full experience?'.

Hmmm...

Also, thanks for honoring the Kudos Wager, Barrington!
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: segaismysavior on June 16, 2015, 12:46:21 pm
I wonder if the game will retain Virtua Fighter style combat? That was one of the elements to the game that I think really relied on SEGA and AM2's development abilities. I'd hate to see a cheap imitation or scrapping that sort of combat for something else.

It mostly relied on Suzuki's passion and knowledge of martial arts, so it should still maintain a bare minimum of VF2-style combat. It's the knowledge of the systems in use that matter, not so much the code. Motion capture can be done super cheap these days, if it must be, so they don't need a huge team of animators like before. Animation is also now retargetable on a level that the original Shenmue games didn't have. Unreal 4 was a great choice, btw, for a team that knows how hard it is to build every system and programming library themselves. It'll free them up to only design and code what matters.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 01:04:06 pm

Also, thanks for honoring the Kudos Wager, Barrington!

Sure! And if the forums see an upgrade to a system with badges, I'll replace the kudos wager with a special Shenmue III Believer badge!
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Centrale on June 16, 2015, 02:17:31 pm
I doubt SEGA will even lift a finger for this game... Luckily it's coming to PC so if there are a lot of problems and terrible in game models modder will probably fix it.

I'm confident they'll end up with nice art direction in the official release, but yeah... the prospect of modding is really exciting.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 02:47:54 pm
Yo dudes, Shenmue avatars are taking over!

I have to say, while I am both excited and a tiny bit fearful of Shenmue III's development process (which won't be a cakewalk), I don't know about other forum members but since III became all but a dream some 10 years ago, I'll admit to ignoring the first two games because the thought of no III stung too hard. I played and replayed the first game, and played through the second twice - once on Dreamcast and once on Xbox, but since around 2004 I really haven't seriously replayed the games outside of revisiting old save files for 30 mins or so during Dreamcast anniversary streams.

But now, with III happening, I feel that I can finally return to the first two and replay them with that sense of sadness replaced with anticipation for III.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 02:51:34 pm
I definitely have the urge to play them through again as well. Unfortunately my Dreamcast and games are on the other side of the planet. Might need to look into NullDC emulation.

Either way, it's a very special feeling knowing that we can play the games again and have somewhere to go after Ryo gets into the cave.

I'm not sure how many times I've played each through, but I definitely want to go back and play them a couple times before 3 comes out. I really hope there is some kind of re-release on PS4/PC so that we can transfer the saves as we were always meant to.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 03:14:57 pm
Well, we may see another two stretch goals cleared within the hour.


Here are more reaction videos:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGiTb0JVmHk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeBJnb5dVY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce9iBXXmzgA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBOuk5wJvNE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fSbhS0CHOA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeHOUoNyaB8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBbAPns8mKs
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 03:25:59 pm
Hype train now has an image:

(http://segabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/shenmuehype.jpg)
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 04:01:20 pm
I feel like a lot of these people don't know what the game even is (not the youtubers), like it was mentioned on my local news. Final Fantasy VII wasn't mentioned oddly enough

Just weird liking a franchise for over half my life and watching all these people that never even talked or cared about the franchise talk like their experts and thinking that it's a Sony IP.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
Well that's about par for the course being a Sega fan, isn't it?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 04:06:14 pm
Funny thing is the next game/few chapters are going to be when Ryo gains his super powers.

It's going to be radical man.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Emmett The Crab on June 16, 2015, 04:11:53 pm
We're just a few dollars away from French Subtitles guys!  Yeah....    :o
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 04:15:52 pm
We're just a few dollars away from French Subtitles guys!  Yeah....    :o

Jonboy can soon die happy.
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Trippled on June 16, 2015, 04:16:33 pm
It's interresting how Sega will move forward tough...no more "hey Shenmue III" from people when they announce stuff.

Well that's about par for the course being a Sega fan, isn't it?

Sega has been out of the spotlight for so many years now...this is the biggest presence of something Sega related since...2002?
Title: Re: Shenmue Kickstarted Announced! It's real! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 04:25:04 pm
youre clearly forgetting the matrix online! Now THAT was a big announcement.











Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 04:28:29 pm
Merged the two topics so we can have our MEGA Shenmue III topic that we have always dreamed of.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Emmett The Crab on June 16, 2015, 04:32:37 pm
So I imagine it's time for some younger game-bloggers start making posts about how they tried Shenmue and it's boring, and totally over-rated. 
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 04:34:42 pm
Jonboy can soon die happy.

"Ou puis-je trouver des marins?"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 04:35:10 pm
Can't wait for all the salty people saying "Shenmue isn't even that good" along with "who even cares about Shenmue anymore" and "why is Shenmue getting a sequel when [x series] hasn't!"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 04:37:39 pm
Can't wait for all the salty people saying "Shenmue isn't even that good" along with "who even cares about Shenmue anymore" and "why is Shenmue getting a sequel when [x series] hasn't!"


At least it will unite all Segadom.

I wonder when Joe and TA will begin fighting.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: segaismysavior on June 16, 2015, 04:46:48 pm
Can't wait for all the salty people saying "Shenmue isn't even that good"

It's valid to claim that Shenmue is clunky, mostly dull, and repetitive... but hot damn, I love it regardless. I love getting lost in that world.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 04:58:51 pm
It seems that Sony confirmed that they're actually involved with the game's funding/development: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1064673
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 05:01:12 pm
Well damn. This game is going to be expanded like there's no tomorrow now.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: JRcade19 on June 16, 2015, 05:20:44 pm
Kickstarter question addresses non windows segment. A plus in my book, though admittedly it isn't the one I wanted to hear, it is good non the less.

Also quite strange for sony to be helping fund it and not give a physical option, but maybe it will come later?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 05:22:36 pm
So I imagine it's time for some younger game-bloggers start making posts about how they tried Shenmue and it's boring, and totally over-rated. 


This happens every time someone brings up Shenmue. Some guy comes in and is like 'Shenmue was never good, it's boring and the voice acting is bad, sailors sailors sailors etc etc'.

I feel like, yes there are a lot of weak aspects, but my god the game is so much more than the sum of it's parts.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 05:24:33 pm
Well this isn't particularly surprising, but still welcome.




I really hopes this means more from Yu Suzuki.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 05:24:48 pm
It seems that Sony confirmed that they're actually involved with the game's funding/development: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1064673 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1064673)
I'm worried this may slow the Kickstarter campaign.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Centrale on June 16, 2015, 05:25:48 pm
I definitely have the urge to play them through again as well. Unfortunately my Dreamcast and games are on the other side of the planet. Might need to look into NullDC emulation.

Last time I tried S1 on NullDC - a couple of years ago - it worked very well, except trying to play the arcade games (the emulated ones, not the QTE ones) would crash it. Maybe they've got that sorted out now.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 05:27:04 pm
It's valid to claim that Shenmue is clunky, mostly dull, and repetitive... but hot damn, I love it regardless. I love getting lost in that world.

Shenmue is real life which is basically... mostly dull and repetitive.

If you want straight up action and punch bears IN DA NUTS go play Yakuza.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 05:29:46 pm
Well I guess budget and staff won't be TOO much of a concern if PlayStation is directly involved with the game's development. It makes me wonder though, if they were always going to be involved, why PC too? Why not a straight-up PS4 exclusive? I'm absolutely not complaining about it coming to PC but I'm confused why.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 05:33:48 pm
FFS
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473277#post168473277

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473728#post168473728
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 05:34:59 pm
Whatever, a PC version means Sega's involved.




Also, the price of Shenmue is skyrocketing on Amazon. It's at 130 dollars. Might be time to cash in.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: JRcade19 on June 16, 2015, 05:35:56 pm
Well I guess budget and staff won't be TOO much of a concern if PlayStation is directly involved with the game's development. It makes me wonder though, if they were always going to be involved, why PC too? Why not a straight-up PS4 exclusive? I'm absolutely not complaining about it coming to PC but I'm confused why.
Sony probably does not see the PC as direct a competitor as the Xbox. After all, some of the biggest MMO's for the PC were developed by Sony. Only in recent times did they even make an attempt to port PC titles from Formerly SOE(Daybreak) to the PS4, and that was before it got spun off and sold.

Look at Grim Fandango for another example. Vita, PS4, and PC OS's but no Xbox.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 05:37:24 pm
Sony also funded Street Fighter 5, which is getting a PC release aswell.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 16, 2015, 05:37:36 pm
This happens every time someone brings up Shenmue. Some guy comes in and is like 'Shenmue was never good, it's boring and the voice acting is bad, sailors sailors sailors etc etc'.

I feel like, yes there are a lot of weak aspects, but my god the game is so much more than the sum of it's parts.

I feel it stems from (some, not all) younger video gamers who think that to earn attention or to drive traffic to their blog or YouTube channel they need to pick apart older titles that were before their time. It really doesn't help when some of these bloggers/YouTubers don't consider looking through the lens of what games were like at the time. Then you have their committed fans who will defend their gaming icon's opinions leading to a ton of opinions based off of secondhand remarks on a third-rate website.
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Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 05:58:47 pm
Shenmue's got flaws, absolutely, but it has heart, and not a lot of games these days have the sort of heart and carry the sort of experience that Shenmue still does. And that's the key word: Shenmue is an experience, it takes full advantage of the capabilities of the medium like almost no other game does. And that's why people are still in love with it sixteen years later.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 16, 2015, 06:03:31 pm
FFS
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473277#post168473277

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473728#post168473728

NeoGAF is full of bitches, not surprised. Seriously, this game would never exist without Kickstarter. Besides, you pay for what you get, it's not like I'm donating money and getting nothing in return. Geez.
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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 06:25:15 pm
We'll see how far Sonys support goes... I have a feeling it wont be much more than publishing and distribution.
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Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 06:26:37 pm
I hope that includes marketing, that would be great.
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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 06:29:27 pm
FFS
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473277#post168473277

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473728#post168473728

I doubt they really put any cash down in the first place... A lot of butthurt MS fanboys trying to take the edge off the hype. And even if that's true it's nothing but a drop in the ocean...
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Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 06:31:10 pm
We'll see how far Sonys support goes... I have a feeling it wont be much more than publishing and distribution.
Easy, its not getting a physical copy on PS4.

They got off cheap.
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Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 06:32:44 pm
Adam Boyes (Sony guy) said their support of Shenmue 3 consist of marketing the game and "some funding".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRGlVDi3FHQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1m40s
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Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 06:33:17 pm
FFS
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473277#post168473277 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473277#post168473277)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473728#post168473728 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168473728#post168473728)

NeoGAF is full of bitches, not surprised. Seriously, this game would never exist without Kickstarter. Besides, you pay for what you get, it's not like I'm donating money and getting nothing in return. Geez.

I can agree with people being turned off being of this approach though. Don't see why I have to fund Shenmue 3 if it was Sony's plan all along, especially when they have the funds and data to know how viable Shenmue is!

I'm glad I was there to show my support to the main man though, but I can understand people's frustration with the situation.
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Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 06:46:25 pm
OK, the game's funding is getting closer and closer to 3 million as we speak. Eating crow never felt so good.
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Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 06:48:22 pm
Fuck are you eating crow for? Did you lose a bet? Did you WIN a bet?
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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 06:49:59 pm
Quote
I can agree with people being turned off being of this approach though. Don't see why I have to fund Shenmue 3 if it was Sony's plan all along, especially when they have the funds and data to know how viable Shenmue is!

I'm glad I was there to show my support to the main man though, but I can understand people's frustration with the situation.

I can't, it's not as if they aren't getting anything for their money... You pay for what you want, the only difference is you're paying for the game before it's developed instead of after.

Perhaps Sony are funding but maybe not enough for whatever Yu needs to realise Shenmue 3 how it needs to be. We don't know the details but I doubt Sony are putting down a full AAA budget.
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Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 06:52:58 pm
Perhaps Sony are funding but maybe not enough for whatever Yu needs to realise Shenmue 3 how it needs to be. We don't know the details but I doubt Sony are putting down a full AAA budget.
Yeah, the way Adam Boyes said it ("Some funding") makes believe they'll just help a bit on top of whatever the Kickstarter generates.  I think Suzuki and Sony should clarify all of this, otherwise I think it would hurt the Kickstarter.
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Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 06:56:33 pm
Yu Suzuki in 2014 - “About Shenmue, Sega is not a problem at all. For Shenmue III, we need to define a specific budget and if I can gather enough for it, Sega will allow me to do it.” - Stole from Aki ( :) )

----

Publishers are usually announced after Kickstarter has ended. For example Mighty No.9 is being published by Deep Silver. Unlike Bloodstained and Mighty No.9, this is the original IP. I think a lot of people like to shit on SEGA, but they could have said no like Capcom and Konami did with their creators. 

I think SEGA needs a proof of concept and budget outline. Let's be honest, Yu Suzuki used to always go over budget. Especially when he moved to 3D...
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Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 06:57:09 pm
Something I found;

Yu Suzuki in 2014 - “About Shenmue, Sega is not a problem at all. For Shenmue III, we need to define a specific budget and if I can gather enough for it, Sega will allow me to do it.”

Makes me wonder if he's got reassurance from other investors about Shenmue III.

I can't, it's not as if they aren't getting anything for their money... You pay for what you want, the only difference is you're paying for the game before it's developed instead of after.

Perhaps Sony are funding but maybe not enough for whatever Yu needs to realise Shenmue 3 how it needs to be. We don't know the details but I doubt Sony are putting down a full AAA budget.

The thing is no one has been upfront about this. I don't care because I'm willing to throw money at Yu Suzuki but for other people who are trading their hard earned cash they'd like some honesty beforehand.

It might have made the Kickstarter go slower, no doubt about that, but people wouldn't be annoyed about this. Knowing a game is going to get funded thanks to a publisher and being told otherwise is two different things. As I said I don't mind, SEGA could do this with Outrun, Shinobi et all and I'd throw money but for other people multi-billion corporations asking for cash to fund games rub them the wrong way.
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Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 06:59:25 pm
I think Adam said it best right now in that video to show that there is demand and worth the risk, it's getting people to put their money where their mouths are.  I know there were people (especially on GAF) saying that Suzuki or SEGA should just kickstart the project, and now the opportunity has presented itself.  After so long Shenmue is finally another game, and this isn't a spiritual successor like Mighty No. 9, Yooka- Laylee, or Bloodstained, it is a legitimate sequel...Sony sees this as an opportunity to bring/keep people over to their platform and help Yu Suzuki at the same time.
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Post by: max_cady on June 16, 2015, 07:04:02 pm
Fuck are you eating crow for? Did you lose a bet? Did you WIN a bet?

Lost the bet. Me and a longtime friend (also a major Shenmue fan). We talked about how much money the kickstart would rake in. Shame on me for setting such a low value (3 million).
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Post by: Centrale on June 16, 2015, 07:14:24 pm
The thing is no one has been upfront about this. I don't care because I'm willing to throw money at Yu Suzuki but for other people who are trading their hard earned cash they'd like some honesty beforehand.

Everybody who's upset needs to consider for a second that what they think Kickstarter is and what they think Kickstarter should be, really doesn't have any bearing on what Kickstarter really is. If they've got some bonehead idea or some idealistic wish about how Kickstarter should or shouldn't be utilized, they need to check in with reality.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:18:48 pm
Personally now that this is a success I wouldn't mind companies opting for kickstarter for abandon or old franchises. Streets of Rage 4? Panzer Dragon? Jet Set Radio? Let's go all innnnnnnnn.

Everybody who's upset needs to consider for a second that what they think Kickstarter is and what they think Kickstarter should be, really doesn't have any bearing on what Kickstarter really is. If they've got some bonehead idea or some idealistic wish about how Kickstarter should or shouldn't be utilized, they need to check in with reality.

To be honest I don't think the Kickstarter would be a success if people were told about Sony (Possibly SEGA and Shibuya Productions too?) funding for the game. But some people are mad and they have every right to be, but true SEGA DNA fans such as us do not care for such thing, we have Shenmue 3 and that is all that matters!

(Should have tried to aim for dinner with Suzuki-san : < )
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Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 07:21:26 pm
I WISH I had the money to have dinner with Suzuki-san, even a reward to just have a beer with him at his favorite bar or something.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:23:17 pm
I WISH I had the money to have dinner with Suzuki-san, even a reward to just have a beer with him at his favorite bar or something.

I'm personally disappointed there wasn't a game of Lucky Hit as one of the rewards.

Missed opportunity.
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Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 07:23:35 pm
I WISH I had the money to have dinner with Suzuki-san, even a reward to just have a beer with him at his favorite bar or something.

Is his favorite bar a place where sailors hang out? /shot
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Post by: Centrale on June 16, 2015, 07:26:35 pm
To be honest I don't think the Kickstarter would be a success if people were told about Sony (Possibly SEGA and Shibuya Productions too?) funding for the game. But some people are mad and they have every right to be, but true SEGA DNA fans such as us do not care for such thing, we have Shenmue 3 and that is all that matters!

I don't think it would have been funded in 9 hours, but I definitely think it would have exceeded its goal in a full month. Also, if people were aware that Sony's support would be contingent upon the Kickstarter's performance, I think that would have been a motivator for some people.
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Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 07:32:39 pm
For the record:

The Witcher 3's development budget was $32 Million and that game looks fantastic:

"The Witcher 3 took around a 120 million PLN ($32 million) to create. On top of that, CD Projekt also had a $35 million marketing budget for The Witcher 3, putting the total amount of money spent of the game at around $67 million."

I think they should have aimed higher, did better stretch goals as well and tiers. Honestly could have gotten much more if their stretch goals weren't so meh.
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Post by: JRcade19 on June 16, 2015, 07:39:48 pm
Take into account that Polish wages are not that high and office space is cheap compared to their European neighbors.
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Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 07:45:56 pm
Personally now that this is a success I wouldn't mind companies opting for kickstarter for abandon or old franchises. Streets of Rage 4? Panzer Dragon? Jet Set Radio? Let's go all innnnnnnnn.

To be honest I don't think the Kickstarter would be a success if people were told about Sony (Possibly SEGA and Shibuya Productions too?) funding for the game. But some people are mad and they have every right to be, but true SEGA DNA fans such as us do not care for such thing, we have Shenmue 3 and that is all that matters!

(Should have tried to aim for dinner with Suzuki-san : < )
Them holding it back till now is the scummy part about this imo. I want to give my money to my main man Yu Suzuki, not some scummy rich company that hides behind a legend to fund a project and them taking some of the honor and credit. Like some sort of hero? This news is highly disturbing and i am not happy about it. Sony desperatly wants to look good in this but it ended up making look like assholes to me. I can see through your scheme sony

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Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 07:51:46 pm
Them holding it back till now is the scummy part about this imo. I want to give my money to my main man Yu Suzuki, not some scummy rich company that hides behind a legend to fund a project and them taking some of the honor and credit. Like some sort of hero? This news is highly disturbing and i am not happy about it. Sony desperatly wants to look good in this but it ended up making look like assholes to me. I can see through your scheme sony


I don't think they held anything back. It hasn't been 24 hours since they announced it, and Sony explained their involvement (albiet in a vague way) in two interviews.

It would be scummy if they held off that info until the Kickstarter campaigned finished, but right now, anyone can cancel or adjust their pledges.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 07:55:47 pm
I don't think they held anything back. It hasn't been 24 hours since they announced it, and Sony explained their involvement (albiet in a vague way) in two interviews.

It would be scummy if they held off that info until the Kickstarter campaigned finished, but right now, anyone can cancel or adjust their pledges.

This is absolutely true.

So right now those people on GAF are more than welcome to cancel their pledges if they feel something ethically wrong about it.

Can't believe Yu Suzuki is making a comeback against all odds. First Arsene Wenger and now Yu Suzuki, the old masters making comebacks, next up I expect Jackie Chan to release his best movie yet.
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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 07:58:38 pm
Them holding it back till now is the scummy part about this imo. I want to give my money to my main man Yu Suzuki, not some scummy rich company that hides behind a legend to fund a project and them taking some of the honor and credit. Like some sort of hero? This news is highly disturbing and i am not happy about it. Sony desperatly wants to look good in this but it ended up making look like assholes to me. I can see through your scheme sony


Do you want Shenmue 3 at its best or not? Do you want SEGA to look at the funds raised and feel stupid for waiting so long and want a piece of the pie (hopefully by releasing 1 and 2 in HD) Do you want to help the greatest video game pioneer of all time realise his dream? Don you want to find out the end to the Shenmue Saga? If the answer is yes then you know what to do regardless of whether Sony may or may not be 'scummy.'
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Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 08:08:06 pm
The only thing keeping me back from donating at the moment is securing some funds so I can donate for $100 reward...though the latest should be end of next week.
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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 08:10:14 pm
The Kick Starter has now broken 2.8 million. Another 100k to go before we can get past those stupid subtitle stretch goals and get onto the meat... Repport System? Yes please!
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Post by: crackdude on June 16, 2015, 08:16:44 pm
http://www.twitch.tv/playstation/v/6249998

from minute 51.
Sony will support development with it's third party team
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Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 08:20:59 pm
I'm still fucked up that the game is even real. Like my brain hasn't fully comprehended the fact that Shenmue 3 is really happening. I can't get over it. I am unable to fully process this, it's like 80% processed and it's just stuck there.
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Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 08:22:25 pm
I don't think they held anything back. It hasn't been 24 hours since they announced it, and Sony explained their involvement (albiet in a vague way) in two interviews.

It would be scummy if they held off that info until the Kickstarter campaigned finished, but right now, anyone can cancel or adjust their pledges.

Do you want Shenmue 3 at its best or not? Do you want SEGA to look at the funds raised and feel stupid for waiting so long and want a piece of the pie (hopefully by releasing 1 and 2 in HD) Do you want to help the greatest video game pioneer of all time realise his dream? Don you want to find out the end to the Shenmue Saga? If the answer is yes then you know what to do regardless of whether Sony may or may not be 'scummy.'
I want shenmue 3 but im not that desperate to just lay down all principles for it. You have to imagine that Sony and Suzuki agreed on this and than decided to present it. But think about the idea of a rich person asking you for money for assurance. In real life this would be considered disgraceful, shameless, low and laughable. Sony wants their namesake plastered on the product too much. I think there was definitly selfishness involved when they decided to aproach Yu Suzuki and making him feel all warm and comfortable.

SEGA may not be backing this, but to me Yu Suzuki IS SEGA. I want to give my money to him who I like. He shouldnt need no fucking leaches. Also the most simple point, its a kickstarter fgs. It is supposed to gather goodwill from people. Stuff like this does the opposite
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Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 08:24:30 pm
This is absolutely true.

So right now those people on GAF are more than welcome to cancel their pledges if they feel something ethically wrong about it.
Well, it's their money.  Can't say I'm happy about it though.   First, I don't see anything unethical about that. Secondly, I don't want the kickstarter's momentum to be slowed down just because Sony is willing to chip in with the funding (Which might be a relatively meager amount if we go by Boyes' wording).
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Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 08:33:01 pm
At least it wasn't Sega that was willing to be shady about it.


No, but in seriousness, I'm much more likely to get an A level game than the
B game I was worried about last night so I'm happy.



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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 08:35:14 pm
I'm still fucked up that the game is even real. Like my brain hasn't fully comprehended the fact that Shenmue 3 is really happening. I can't get over it. I am unable to fully process this, it's like 80% processed and it's just stuck there.

It didn't really even hit me until today, I was driving to my girlfriends house and suddenly bam... The dawning realisation that I'm going to get to play Shenmue 3, it's going to happen. I had this huge irremovable grin showing up at various points throughout the day.
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Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 08:35:37 pm
So its probably not gonna be the case. But what would you guys think if Shenmue 3 had Sony franchise references inside the game? For example Sony franchise capsule toys and collectables
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Post by: crackdude on June 16, 2015, 08:36:34 pm
think about the idea of a rich person asking you for money for assurance.
Like when you take a loan from the bank?
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Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 08:37:43 pm
I think though without Boyes/Corsi/Sony 3rd Party relations and Cerny having made not only this deal, but to present at their E3 conference, it might have not gotten the attention it has right now.  Shenmue has been requested many times, but it's also a huge risk, add to the fact that Sony suffered a bomb with Beyond: Two Souls (that being a passion project from David Cage) despite the games division being the only branch at Sony doing well right now, you can kind of see a reason for this.  Shenmue 1 and 2 being tied in legal tape doesn't help either.
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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 08:39:30 pm

Shenmue 3 kickstarter made it on the BBC News website today... Pretty big stuff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33144515
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Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 08:41:08 pm
So its probably not gonna be the case. But what would you guys think if Shenmue 3 had Sony franchise references inside the game? For example Sony franchise capsule toys and collectables

I am interested on if they're going to bring back the gashapon and arcade games. If so, will it be a share of Sony and Sega? Just Sega? Will it stick to Sega of 1999, with only a few select franchises, or will it encompass the broadened spectrum of Sega characters? Will any new Yu Suzuki games appear?

Personally I wanna see UFO crane games make an appearance, either alongside gashapon or replacing it outright. It would be a perfect fit for Shenmue.
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Post by: crackdude on June 16, 2015, 08:43:13 pm
So its probably not gonna be the case. But what would you guys think if Shenmue 3 had Sony franchise references inside the game? For example Sony franchise capsule toys and collectables
It would be cool anyway. But I would prefer Sega stuff, no doubt
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Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 08:43:49 pm
Like when you take a loan from the bank?
So you're comparing Sony to banks. I guess that makes sense yes
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Post by: JRcade19 on June 16, 2015, 08:44:29 pm
Shenmue 3 is too happy of an announcement

Yu needs to put the dreamcast 2 in this game to even out the pain =P
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Post by: crackdude on June 16, 2015, 08:45:13 pm
So you're comparing Sony to banks then? I guess that makes sense yes
In this case I believe it does make sense. Sony is the bank, the currency being Shenmues
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Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 08:46:41 pm
Well, it's their money.  Can't say I'm happy about it though.   First, I don't see anything unethical about that. Secondly, I don't want the kickstarter's momentum to be slowed down just because Sony is willing to chip in with the funding (Which might be a relatively meager amount if we go by Boyes' wording).

Some people are just feeling that the fact Sony weren't entirely upfront about it seems a bit scammy. If it is or isn't really depends on the person.

I don't mind, I'd like SEGA to get kickstarters for Skies of Arcadia 2 and Shinobi 4 ready. My money is ready.

It would be cool anyway. But I would prefer Sega stuff, no doubt

It'd be pretty much free marketing for SEGA stuff now.

In this case I believe it does make sense. Sony is the bank, the currency being Shenmues

This example makes no sense haha.
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Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 08:59:21 pm
People are assuming alot about this game. Doesnt say it was independent, so nothing wrong with it not being publisher backed.

 I think people will complain more and more as development goes on and details emerge. Expect lots of fluff that they spoiled us with 1/2 and attention to detail to drop.
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Post by: CrazyT on June 16, 2015, 09:02:19 pm
I realise that i'm overreacting a bit. But I backed the project(not the smallest amount) with the best of my intentions to support Yu Suzuki, so that plays part in why im reacting like this. Its intended for my man Suzuki

Isnt this also a first? Should this become a thing now where publishers go on kickstarter? Well sort of in this case since Sony isnt really getting the money, but its going to be part of the bigger budget at least.
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Post by: SuperSonicEX on June 16, 2015, 09:06:27 pm
you know, I'm a little curious about the usage of Unreal Engine 4.  I know it is mostly easier (at least legally) and more affordable to develop the game with it compared to spending money developing a proprietary engine, Shenmue did a lot of great stuff that is taken for granted these days but will Suzuki be able to develop what he wants to do with it?  Not like I'm asking for the Fox Engine or anything like that.
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Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 09:07:08 pm
We really have no idea what kind of budget Sony will be giving Yu Suzuki... We basically know almost nothing except that a game which only a day ago was little more than a myth is now a possible reality.
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Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 09:16:17 pm
Your money is going to Yu NET, Sony's money is also going to the team. What's the big deal? I'm assuming support and help is coming on porting to PS4. I can see a team helping YS Net and them advertising to their fanbase.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 09:20:43 pm
Your money is going to Yu NET, Sony's money is also going to the team. What's the big deal? I'm assuming support and help is coming on porting to PS4. I can see a team helping YS Net and them advertising to their fanbase.

Kickstarter is probably going to generate between $10 - $20 million, then whatever Sony does (The fact they're covering all the marketing is a major plus) and whoever grabs the dibs on the PC version.

If it's SEGA, you could say they got Shenmue...

*Puts on shades*

Online.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 09:32:42 pm
Kickstarter is probably going to generate between $10 - $20 million
They would have reached 10 Million comfortably before the Sony-Funding revelation... Now, I'm not sure. I think we'll be lucky if it hits 8 Million.  Hardcore fans will pledge, other people who are mildly interested will be like "Sony is getting it funded anyway, why pledge more than $30?"
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 09:34:52 pm
Kickstarter is probably going to generate between $10 - $20 million,

I SERIOUSLY doubt that... In the next 24 hours funding is going to slow down considerably... I think 7 million tops and that is pushing it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 16, 2015, 09:41:21 pm
Yu Suzuki should bring back the cat and add more depth. Kickstarter people love cats.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens?ref=category_most_funded
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 16, 2015, 09:44:31 pm
They would have reached 10 Million comfortably before the Sony-Funding revelation... Now, I'm not sure. I think we'll be lucky if it hits 8 Million.  Hardcore fans will pledge, other people who are mildly interested will be like "Sony is getting it funded anyway, why pledge more than $30?"

I SERIOUSLY doubt that... In the next 24 hours funding is going to slow down considerably... I think 7 million tops and that is pushing it.

Ye of little faith, I did not go running around this forum with Mang as a raving lunatic just so we could hit negative ville so quickly. Positive thoughts!

Personally I don't see why $10 million is that much of a stretch. The only issue is the Kickstarter isn't the best I've ever seen.  In fact it's quite amateurish.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 09:52:18 pm
Yu Suzuki should bring back the cat and add more depth. Kickstarter people love cats.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens?ref=category_most_funded

Optional sidequest where Ryo and Shenhua either go back to Yokosuuka (god I can never remember how that's spelled) and adopt the cat by Ryo's house, or they just adopt a cat in their town. They take this cat on all their journeys and it fits into the rapport system.

Oh yeah, this can work.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 10:14:07 pm
I know it's early WIP, but man, Ryo's face is bothering me.  I hope Ys.net can still use old Shenmue assets.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Sharky on June 16, 2015, 10:24:31 pm
DAY 1 IS OVER! HERE ARE THE RESULTS OF DAY 1


35,995
backers

$2,835,256 
 pledged of $2,000,000 goal

Very impressive!


So now let's look at the mentioned stretch goal locations...

First of all, Let's check out Bailu Village mentioned as Shenhuas home in Shenmue 2.

Bailu

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Bailu Ancient Village, situated at the junction of Gan County, Xingguo County and Wan'an County, is under the jurisdiction of Bailu Town of Gan County and about 70 km away from downtown Ganzhou. The ancient village, half-moon-shaped, covers an area of 0.92 square kilometers. There are more than 500 households of more than 2,000 people at the village and most of them are surnamed Zhong.

Bailu Village itself, it aint a looker.
(http://www.gndaily.com/english/attachement/jpg/site2/20130320/00219761e1eb12b3c64701.jpg)

Madame Wang's Ancestral Temple in Bailu:
(http://www.gndaily.com/english/attachement/jpg/site2/20130320/00219761e1eb12b3c65403.jpg)


Baisha village

Baisha is a mountain village where everyone damn well seems to love wearing blue clothes...

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Still a part of the Lijiang UNESCO World Heritage Site, Baisha is far enough removed that only a few tourists on bikes wander down its sleepy, dusty lanes. The Naxi first settled in Baisha centuries ago, well before Kublai Khan united the region with the rest of China in 1271, and it was the original home of the ruling Mu family before its move to nearby Lijiang. Today, Naxi women cheerfully sell vegetables on well-worn steps while locals pick up rice and other staples at the corner store. It is a living, breathing place, seemingly unchanged with the passing of time (and influx of tourists to the region).

Baisha’s two main streets are lined with an array of quiet shops that are decidedly less touristy than what we found in Lijiang. Local artisans can be seen hammering copper sheets into bowls and dying yards of traditional batik fabric left to dry in the sun. Hand-painted souvenir t-shirts feature Tibetan script and Dongba characters, the hieroglyphic Naxi language which also adorns a few of the walls. In one shop, we watched a man carefully inscribe a shirt with a Tibetan prayer for peace. A few clothing stores feature unique pieces such as linen dresses with embroidered trim and softly woven sets of cold-weather accessories suited for the mountain climate. Along the street, tables are covered with a mix of mass-produced items and antiques that look like they survived the Cultural Revolution buried in someone’s backyard.

More info:
http://www.ferretingoutthefun.com/2013/05/13/baisha-village-medicine-man/

One of the two main streets:
(http://www.ferretingoutthefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_2457-1024x768.jpg)

Babes in blue
(http://www.ferretingoutthefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_2444-1024x769.jpg)

Shit chattin' with the m8's just a bit of banter innit:
(http://www.ferretingoutthefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_2498-1024x769.jpg)

The local Tesco Express:
(http://www.ferretingoutthefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_2483-1024x768.jpg)

Dragon Mirrors are just tourist tat out here, 5 for a dollar.
(http://www.ferretingoutthefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_2479-1024x768.jpg)


Jeff rockin' some sick Nikes.
(http://www.ferretingoutthefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_2441-1024x768.jpg)


I found NOTHING on Choubu... Google doesn't think it exists.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 10:32:31 pm
What do you guys think about this "Instant Mastery" thing Suzuki talked about in the KS video?  I believe it gives of an idea about the type of combat system we might see in Shenmue 3, something more simple perhaps? I would've been great if they maintained the VF-esque combat system...

Yes yes, I know I'm being negative,  last negative post, I swear! (At least, for a while!)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Moody on June 16, 2015, 10:47:16 pm
I don't understand the deal with instant mastery. It just sounds like the move scrolls you got at various points in Shenmue 2. You mastered those instantly and could start using them in battle immediately. Dunno why it's a big deal, it's already in the series.


Also, Sharky, VERY good collection of info you got there! I'm guessing Baisha will be our Wan Chai or Yokuuska this time around. We saw a bit of Bailu Village at the end of Shenmue 2, before entering Guilin Forest, didn't we?
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Mengels7 on June 16, 2015, 11:26:51 pm
I know it's early WIP, but man, Ryo's face is bothering me.  I hope Ys.net can still use old Shenmue assets.

I wholeheartedly agree. Yuck. I'll take the game in whatever capacity they provide it to me in, don't get me wrong, but this looks ugly as hell right now.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Pao on June 16, 2015, 11:27:06 pm
I don't understand the deal with instant mastery. It just sounds like the move scrolls you got at various points in Shenmue 2. You mastered those instantly and could start using them in battle immediately. Dunno why it's a big deal, it's already in the series.
Maybe means you won't need to practice them. Like, the combat system doesn't require practice.  Imagine a string of contextual moves performed by a single button press like the Arkham games, learning new moves opens new contextual possibilities. 

Goddam, that sounds dreadful. I'm being so paranoid about this game. :P
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 16, 2015, 11:52:28 pm
I wholeheartedly agree. Yuck. I'll take the game in whatever capacity they provide it to me in, don't get me wrong, but this looks ugly as hell right now.

I might just be way behind the times, but aside from ryo, the game looked fine. Ryo is admittedly dreadful.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 12:11:53 am
The faces look like fan made models. Not being a dick, it doesn't look like the DC ones at all.
(http://segabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/photo-original.png)

Shenmue Passport models (higher res than in-game) are way better looking:
(http://i.imgur.com/5XRaygd.jpg)


If you look at the stretch goals, which are very expensive (500k to edit a video on what happen in 1/2), it fades in the bottom. Don't be surprised if more goals are announced with more stuff.
(http://segabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/shenmue-3-stretch-goals.png)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Tad on June 17, 2015, 02:46:28 am
Going with what we know now, I suspect the KS clip was just something throw together by Suzuki's team quickly. If they reached the target, Sony will help them develop it.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: batfax on June 17, 2015, 02:59:57 am
Yeah, I wouldn't put much stock into the models and graphics and whatnot available right now. It only exists to get the point across. Perhaps we'll see something more substantial as time goes on. After all, the Kickstarter JUST started.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 03:14:44 am
A lot of people didn't like the graphics and voice-acting from that Kickstarter video, but not many people seem to understand that this was a presentation / pitch video. I expect the game to look a whole lot better.


As a matter of fact, this was a far more modest approach than what we normally see. Watch Dogs? Aliens: CM? Ya know, tech demos made on High-End PCs that would be nearly impossible to do on actual home consoles?


Anyway, the game's kickstarter is on a slow drip right now, but another stretch goal is being cleared even as we speak.

Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 03:16:29 am
Honestly should have just showed artwork of the game instead of showing those graphics. That would have been my opinion on the whole thing.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Tad on June 17, 2015, 03:18:44 am
Honestly should have just showed artwork of the game instead of showing those graphics. That would have been my opinion on the whole thing.

I'd be okay either way, but I'm curious as to why they didn't just use the original models. Less work, and as modders have shown, they still look great.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 03:23:24 am
Regardless of what we feel about Yu's approach to crowdfunding, it worked. The money's pouring in.


Anyway, here's a new update from the KS: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/posts/1266077


An interview from another big fan.



Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 03:28:30 am
Yeah that was going to be my next comment but the forum erased it all. The issue is we don't know much about the project. They haven't clarified if those are just 'in-placed' assets. I read their updates on their kickstarter and they are more busy sharing what other people think of Shenmue than clarifying obvious stuff like this.

So, why didn't they use the in-game assets? Does this mean that maybe they aren't allowed to use stuff that is funded with SEGA's money? If so that would mean no classic AM2 arcades, no SEGA toy capsules and so on.

I just think they are being very secretive. They are also using Shenmue fansites to spread the word, which is smart. Its just weird that one of them is the fansite that openly posts hateful messages on all the SEGA facebook posts.

http://shenmue.link/ (http://shenmue.link/) <--- all the way on the bottom.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Tad on June 17, 2015, 03:29:53 am
Despite so many announcements being made at E3, Shenmue seems to have dominated it all really. Can't wait to see what how this turns out.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Tad on June 17, 2015, 03:33:50 am
Yeah that was going to be my next comment but the forum erased it all. The issue is we don't know much about the project. They haven't clarified if those are just 'in-placed' assets. I read their updates on their kickstarter and they are more busy sharing what other people think of Shenmue than clarifying obvious stuff like this.

So, why didn't they use the in-game assets? Does this mean that maybe they aren't allowed to use stuff that is funded with SEGA's money? If so that would mean no classic AM2 arcades, no SEGA toy capsules and so on.

I just think they are being very secretive. They are also using Shenmue fansites to spread the word, which is smart. Its just weird that one of them is the fansite that openly posts hateful messages on all the SEGA facebook posts.

http://shenmue.link/ (http://shenmue.link/) <--- all the way on the bottom.

Can't see why Sega wouldn't allow Yu Suzuki to use the SEGA name, but it might not even call for it considering where Shenmue was heading towards the end. Can't imagine many Afterburner machines being in the rural setting.

As for the hateful messages...I guess the logic there is they care. If they didn't care, they wouldn't get upset.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 03:35:09 am
And another Stretch Goal has been sucessfully cleared.


(http://i58.tinypic.com/34t6dmb.jpg)


Only two more stretch goals to clear. I think those are gonna be tough.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 03:37:11 am
Can't see why Sega wouldn't allow Yu Suzuki to use the SEGA name, but it might not even call for it considering where Shenmue was heading towards the end. Can't imagine many Afterburner machines being in the rural setting.

As for the hateful messages...I guess the logic there is they care. If they didn't care, they wouldn't get upset.


(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9QAeCncDz5c/maxresdefault.jpg)
Max_Cady: Their going to continue to add extended goals. Those are nothing. Watch, they where just playing it safe because they didn't know what to expect.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 17, 2015, 04:00:51 am
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Regardless of what we feel about Yu's approach to crowdfunding, it worked. The money's pouring in


That will happen at the start, lets see how the money keeps on flowing in during the next year or 2 years in becasue there's no way really Shenmue III can be done in a year . I'm glad its looks like we're getting a Shenmue III but then worry it be another Duke Nukem Forever letdown where the final game was done and shipped on the cheap . Yu Suzuki and Shenmue don't deserve that at all . Imo forget the likes of Miyamoto-san, Mikami-san. Yu Suzuki is the best game developer there's ever been


Really... I'll be happy if this Kickstarter gets some 40 to 50 million dollars in . Then Yu and his Team can really make a Shenmue III that can just about live up to the 1st two games . Thought I really wish SEGA AM#2 and the Yakzua team was making this along with Yu Suzuki that would be my dream ticket
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[/size]Honestly should have just showed artwork of the game instead of showing those graphics[/color]
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Yeah, if this was April most would have rubbished that as a lame April Fools as the animation and art on the characters was so bad . Its a shame Yu Suzuki was reduced to a poor tech demo to get funding, but it looks like he'll do anything to make Shenmue III . Just hope now he can get some serious funding and manpower to make the Shenmue III he really wants to make.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: CrazyT on June 17, 2015, 04:45:59 am
How many chapters did Shenmue 1 & 2 include? And how many chapters are left for shenmue 3? Just wondering how much work they have to do
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: jonboy101 on June 17, 2015, 05:05:06 am
How many chapters did Shenmue 1 & 2 include? And how many chapters are left for shenmue 3? Just wondering how much work they have to do

I think Shenmue is just chapter 1, Shenmue 2 is chapters 3,4,5.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 05:21:25 am
What he said. 

Shenmue 1 was basically a stretched-out single chapter. Shenmue 2 was basically Chapter 2,3 and 4.

Chapter 1: Yokosuka
Chapter 2: Hong Kong
Chapter 3: Kowloon
Chapter 4: Guilin

If every town is mostly a chapter. Then I'd wager they'll be 3 chapters. We've always speculated that Mainland China was going to be the next major location in Ryo's quest.

Now exactly how many chapters they have left? I have no friggin' idea. I've heard so many contradictory statements 'bout how long the game is.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 05:58:28 am
Well, here is the concept art for the Virtua Fighter RPG chapters. Gives you a hint at what his original vision was:
(http://segabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.png)
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 17, 2015, 05:59:11 am
How many chapters did Shenmue 1 & 2 include? And how many chapters are left for shenmue 3? Just wondering how much work they have to do

There's 10 chapters left to be told
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 06:04:15 am
But he already admitted to having cut at least one chapter out. The boat ride after Chapter 1 was suppose to start another chapter but they didn't have enough content to make it one. They did a manga comic about what happen in the boat:
http://shenmuedojo.net/new/story/sidestorycomics.html

The last one.

Pretty much mysterious, since the project has been moved around and shortened. Especially after the first game.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 06:09:30 am
How many chapters did Shenmue 1 & 2 include? And how many chapters are left for shenmue 3? Just wondering how much work they have to do

Yu Suzuki from just last year;

“Yes indeed, the story is far away from being completed and to be honest, I do not think that it’s possible to end it during Shenmue III. If I had to do it my way, players would experience the ending during Shenmue V. But that seems to be a lot so I’m going to try to finish it within the next 2 games.”

http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html

So at least 2 games left.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: crackdude on June 17, 2015, 07:04:41 am
I'd wager that if Shenmue III is a success then the story will go on for one or two more games.

I seriously hope that we get some closure at the end of III anyway. Otherwise, we'll be clamoring for Shenmue 4 for another 14 years.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 07:09:26 am
I'd wager that if Shenmue III is a success then the story will go on for one or two more games.

I seriously hope that we get some closure at the end of III anyway. Otherwise, we'll be clamoring for Shenmue 4 for another 14 years.

I hope its so successful Yu Suzuki is brought back into the gaming spotlight, then again I think he's just doing this for the fans and might retire after this.

But if he does, what a legacy, no one can ever match him in video games,
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 07:39:48 am
I've heard the 14-chapters claim a long time ago. But it's clear that a lot of stuff had to be cut out during production. My main pet peeve with Shenmue 2 is that the ending was so incredibly vague that I'm dying to see how this game takes off from there.
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 17, 2015, 08:01:30 am
The boat ride after Chapter 1 was suppose to start another chapter but they didn't have enough content to make it one.

The boat ride was not a chapter in it's self , but part of a chapter and even with cuts it still took 7 years and 2 games  just to tell 6 chapters . There's no way on earth Shenmue III will finish the story. 
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Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2015, 08:02:29 am
Suzuki needs to pull a George Lucas and condense his story. Lucas started with a 9-12 film idea, and then realized he might only make 1-3 films so he made the early episodes the backstory (1-3), condensed a few chapters for 4, told 5 and concluded it at 6.

Shenmue could end at III if Suzuki makes some concessions and condenses things. I mean, I don't want his vision to be truncated but I don't think people would be happy to see another To Be Continued in 2017...
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 08:04:19 am
Suzuki needs to pull a George Lucas and condense his story. Lucas started with a 9-12 film idea, and then realized he might only make 1-3 films so he made the early episodes the backstory (1-3), condensed a few chapters for 4, told 5 and concluded it at 6.

Shenmue could end at III if Suzuki makes some concessions and condenses things. I mean, I don't want his vision to be truncated but I don't think people would be happy to see another To Be Continued in 2017...

Suzuki > Lucas

He'll never compromise his vision, he's tapping that pencil furiously now making sure the DREAM IS UNTAINTED!
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Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2015, 08:05:53 am
LOL, so Shenmue X then?
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 08:27:50 am
I am interested on if they're going to bring back the gashapon and arcade games. If so, will it be a share of Sony and Sega? Just Sega? Will it stick to Sega of 1999, with only a few select franchises, or will it encompass the broadened spectrum of Sega characters? Will any new Yu Suzuki games appear?

Personally I wanna see UFO crane games make an appearance, either alongside gashapon or replacing it outright. It would be a perfect fit for Shenmue.

Don't forget this seems to be taking place entirely in a rural villiage in the middle of 1980's China. I'm not sure we'll get any arcade machines at all, maybe not even electricity.
What do you guys think about this "Instant Mastery" thing Suzuki talked about in the KS video?  I believe it gives of an idea about the type of combat system we might see in Shenmue 3, something more simple perhaps? I would've been great if they maintained the VF-esque combat system...

Yes yes, I know I'm being negative,  last negative post, I swear! (At least, for a while!)

I don't like the sounds of it at all.

As I said, I'm already bracing for a bad game, but I don't even care.
Honestly should have just showed artwork of the game instead of showing those graphics. That would have been my opinion on the whole thing.

Worked for Igavania. Two pieces of concept art.
Well, here is the concept art for the Virtua Fighter RPG chapters. Gives you a hint at what his original vision was:
(http://segabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.png)
What upsets me more than anything is that i feel like the story has been cut to shreds. I feel like we aren't going to get this globe-spanning epic, and that the story will wrap up in this next game, probably taking place entirely in one town.

He already had to cut Chapter 2 entirely, we never got to play that. I'm worried about how much more he had to cut. Something is better than nothing, sure, but I hope we get some kind of run-down or summary of the 'True' Shenmue after 3 is done.

Do we know if Shenmue III is going to be taking place in multiple countries/towns? A stretch goal was to 'Expand the villiage' which makes me think it's happening in one little rural villiage.
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Post by: CrazyT on June 17, 2015, 08:31:19 am
Yu Suzuki from just last year;

“Yes indeed, the story is far away from being completed and to be honest, I do not think that it’s possible to end it during Shenmue III. If I had to do it my way, players would experience the ending during Shenmue V. But that seems to be a lot so I’m going to try to finish it within the next 2 games.”

http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html (http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html)

So at least 2 games left.
This is relieving to read. I thought Suzuki was gonna cut himself thin by trying to fit everything within 1 game with the budget while there are more chapters left than shenmue 1 and 2 combined, and those games were already huge.

I am still kinda skeptical about this thing. I do really want to believe... It would be something if Suzuki was that huge of a contributor for shenmue 1 and 2, that it wouldnt matter what team works under him, he'd be able to achieve anything being that strong of a director. I actually do believe that
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 08:32:43 am
What upsets me more than anything is that i feel like the story has been cut to shreds. I feel like we aren't going to get this globe-spanning epic, and that the story will wrap up in this next game, probably taking place entirely in one town.

He already had to cut Chapter 2 entirely, we never got to play that. I'm worried about how much more he had to cut. Something is better than nothing, sure, but I hope we get some kind of run-down or summary of the 'True' Shenmue after 3 is done.

Do we know if Shenmue III is going to be taking place in multiple countries/towns? A stretch goal was to 'Expand the villiage' which makes me think it's happening in one little rural villiage.

Mang did you miss my comment, is it cause you hate me now? I bet it's cause you hate me now : <

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Yu Suzuki from just last year;

“Yes indeed, the story is far away from being completed and to be honest, I do not think that it’s possible to end it during Shenmue III. If I had to do it my way, players would experience the ending during Shenmue V. But that seems to be a lot so I’m going to try to finish it within the next 2 games.”

http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html (http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html)

So at least 2 games left.

I don't think much has changed, except you hate my guts now ;___;
Title: Re: SEGAbits Shenmue III Hype Train! Update: Funded but lets go further!
Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 08:37:10 am
This is relieving to read. I thought Suzuki was gonna cut himself thin by trying to fit everything within 1 game with the budget while there are more chapters left than shenmue 1 and 2 combined, and those games were already huge.

I am still kinda skeptical about this thing. I do really want to believe... It would be something if Suzuki was that huge of a contributor for shenmue 1 and 2, that it wouldnt matter what team works under him, he'd be able to achieve anything being that strong of a director. I actually do believe that

A possibility but Shenmue 3 will literally be a prologue to Shenmue 4, much shorter than the other games but a way to demonstrate to both Sony/SEGA/both to open their wallets and fund an bigger expansion for the IP into Shenmue 4.

If this game ends up doing a million (Very likely at this point) I don't see either Sony or SEGA passing up the funds to Suzuki as long as he's able to demonstrate the spiraling budget of Shenmue was a one off and that he knows how to design open world games on a timely and budgeted manner.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 08:45:14 am
Mang did you miss my comment, is it cause you hate me now? I bet it's cause you hate me now : <

I don't think much has changed, except you hate my guts now ;___;

I did see that, but I'm also catching up on like 6 pages. This topic moves fast.

I also just want to brace for the worst, I feel almost as if he's since been asked to wrap it up in one game, or just wants to because he's not sure if Shenmue IV will ever happen.

Even wrapping it up into two games is cutting a lot. I really hope we don't finish the story in a little Chinese villiage and never get to travel to the Shaolin Temple in the mountains or to the big rolling fields, or wherever he was meant to travel originally.

Either way, once the story is done, I'd love for Yu Suzuki to give us all a run down of what the original vision's story was going to be.
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Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 08:47:12 am
Shenmue as an open-world / sandbox game has been and will always be smaller than something like Grand Theft Auto 3, Red Dead Redemption or Sleeping Dogs.


It's the level of interactions, characters, side stories and from what I understand Shenhua is going to be a companion through most of this game if the ending of S2 is any indication.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 08:56:56 am
I did see that, but I'm also catching up on like 6 pages. This topic moves fast.

I also just want to brace for the worst, I feel almost as if he's since been asked to wrap it up in one game, or just wants to because he's not sure if Shenmue IV will ever happen.

Even wrapping it up into two games is cutting a lot. I really hope we don't finish the story in a little Chinese villiage and never get to travel to the Shaolin Temple in the mountains or to the big rolling fields, or wherever he was meant to travel originally.

Either way, once the story is done, I'd love for Yu Suzuki to give us all a run down of what the original vision's story was going to be.

I don't know, Suzuki is a man who never compromises on his vision I feel, very old school and everything. I feel SEGA was even willing to let Suzuki do Shenmue in the PS2 era as long as he could reign in the budget (The fact they still went on to splash cash on Shenmue Online tells you everything) so I feel we'll get at least a couple of games out of this. We know Shenmue was always meant to eventually go down the mystical route and I don't think that can be done in one game.
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Post by: Sharky on June 17, 2015, 09:19:13 am
Two things:

Mademan, Shenmue wasn't going to be globe spanning, I believe the whole story will take place in Japan, China and maybe Tibet. It's about martial arts at its core, after all. Plus those chapter carts all look as if they take place in Asia.

TA, there isn't 10 chapters left, there is 6. I hope 3 will be told in Shenmue 3 and another 3 in Shenmue 4, eventually...

I'm bracing for a B-list, indie style game if I am honest... But I don't really care much anymore I just want to finish it, though the closer to the originals the better.
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Post by: crackdude on June 17, 2015, 09:21:59 am
I'm bracing for a B-list, indie style game if I am honest...
Someone playing the first 2 today may feel that way about them.

That is alright. It demonstrates 2 things:
(1) the technological progress in the last 15 years
(2) how Shenmue was advanced for it's time
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 09:22:19 am
Two things:

Mademan, Shenmue wasn't going to be globe spanning, I believe the whole story will take place in Japan, China and maybe Tibet. It's about martial arts at its core, after all. Plus those chapter carts all look as if they take place in Asia.

Maybe globe-spanning wasn't the right word, but I meant lots of wildly different locations and environments. From sleepy Japanese town to bustling Hong Kong, Sleazy Kowloon, peaceful rural village, snowy mystic tibetan area, huge temples etc etc.

I also thought I read somewhere that he'd be going to North America in some capacity (which would make sense since Tom and Nozomi were going there right?).

After 15 fucking years, just getting out of the cave will be enough though!
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 09:42:24 am
I'm surprised some of you are OK with a game lesser than the first two just so you can finish the story.
For me, Shenmue's plot isn't anything special at all, very standard revenge story you'd see in some Manga/Anime.  What makes Shenmue special is how everything comes together nicely, the combat, story, exploration, world, atmosphere, etc...

If the game turned out actually mediocre, or like Ryan says, an "Indie style" game, I'll be extremely disappointed.
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Post by: Sharky on June 17, 2015, 09:44:22 am
Na going to the USA is all speculation, I was hearting that way way back but there's no evidence for that and honestly I'd hope it remains in Asia. I think Tom returning to the US and Nazomi to Canada are a way to wrap up their plot lines... Like when your mum told you Rex the pet goldfish went to live in a farm, far, far away where you can never visit, but he's deffo happy; chasing cats and drinking moonshine-- That's America... America is where D-list friends go to die.

Given the Stretch goals mentioning various towns in China I suspect you will encounter at least 3 different Chinese villages in China, one a cold, picturesque mountain village, another an ancient slum looking place.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 09:47:56 am
I'm surprised some of you are OK with a game lesser than the first two just so you can finish the story.
For me, Shenmue's plot isn't anything special at all, very standard revenge story you'd see in some Manga/Anime.  What makes Shenmue special is how everything comes together nicely, the combat, story, exploration, world, atmosphere, etc...

If the game turned out actually mediocre, or like Ryan says, an "Indie style" game, I'll be extremely disappointed.

We just need closure.

Given the Stretch goals mentioning various towns in China I suspect you will encounter at least 3 different Chinese villages in China, one a cold, picturesque mountain village, another an ancient slum looking place.


That would be nice. Where are these stretch goals? I think I missed them, I only saw the mini-game one with 'expanded village'.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 09:57:10 am
I'm surprised some of you are OK with a game lesser than the first two just so you can finish the story.
For me, Shenmue's plot isn't anything special at all, very standard revenge story you'd see in some Manga/Anime.  What makes Shenmue special is how everything comes together nicely, the combat, story, exploration, world, atmosphere, etc...

If the game turned out actually mediocre, or like Ryan says, an "Indie style" game, I'll be extremely disappointed.

Totally agree with you on that, Yakuza has it beat easily in both characterisation and plotline but what sets Shenmue apart is the depth of its world and the entire experience. They're both similar games but so very different, one is like Outrun and the other is F355 Challenge.

If it's going to compromise the vision then I'd be disappointed. (I am half expecting to be disappointed)

But worry not! My man Yu Suzuki has compromising photos of Satomi Sr and Hirai that he will use to bribe SEGA and Sony millions to get us the Shenmue we deserve!

We just need closure.

I don't, the good guys win and the bad guys lose. I know that much. I want Shenmue for the experience.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 10:06:59 am
Totally agree with you on that, Yakuza has it beat easily in both characterisation and plotline

Plotline?


Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Yakuza plots are pretty laughably bad if I'm to be honest. Amnesia, rubber bullets, long lost twin brothers, etc. I still love the games and they have fun plots, but oh my god it's the dumbest shit ever. I guess that's part of the idea though. I think you described it as a soap opera for men (that isn't pro rasslin)

Characterisation I'll give you though.

I don't, the good guys win and the bad guys lose. I know that much. I want Shenmue for the experience.

I didn't mean so much for the storyline itself as the what happens with the games and the series. Just having it kind of in limbo for so long was painful.

Obviously we all want the unique gameplay experience to come back, but even if it captures only part of what made the first two special it'll be great for a lot of fans.
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Post by: segaismysavior on June 17, 2015, 10:07:40 am
The faces look like fan made models.

Here's why Ryo looks weird:

1) Ryo now has more realistic features. Rather than creating a face based on just vertex positions and edge connections, this model is also digitally sculpted to add cheekbone, laugh-line, jawbone, and chin definition. He is less chubby-looking in the face because they have better character creation toolsets to work with today. It is a stranger face than we're used to, but it's not necessarily "lesser" than what came before it.

2) Unreal 4 has real-time lighting and shadowing, the original Shenmue games only had vertex lighting and shader tricks on characters to quickly simulate shadows. Modern engines generate texture maps to overlay as shadows. The shadows add so much gradation to his face that it only looks wrong cause we're so used to the older model and it's limitations. The new lighting system is likely also brightening his eyes to a hotter brown, cause that's the first thing I see as "off" compared to the original.

3) The texturing is sharper, so there's lots of small details that I can't tell if are meant to be pores or painterly style brush strokes.

4) There might be subsurface scattering in his skin, based on how bright and pink it is versus the unchanging, more yellowish skin from the original games. This simulates how light can enter a surface, such a skin or a leaf, and then brighten up the underlying materials. If you look into a mirror and press a flashlight into the back of your ear, you'll see the light scatter throughout your skin and make it glow bright pink.

These characters do look better, but it'll take a while to adjust to them since they've been updated to modern standards.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 10:13:55 am
Plotline?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Yakuza plots are pretty laughably bad if I'm to be honest. Amnesia, rubber bullets, long lost twin brothers, etc. I still love the games and they have fun plots, but oh my god it's the dumbest shit ever. I guess that's part of the idea though. I think you described it as a soap opera for men (that isn't pro rasslin)

Characterisation I'll give you though.

It's a soap opera for men but even so, it's got a much better story structure and plotline than Shenmue. The two don't even really compare.

Stuff can be crazy but as long as it's in the realm of the universe then it's fine. Watchman for example is a fantastic plotline but are we really going to say the stuff that happens in it isn't shit crazy and actually farfetched, but if it fits in the realm of the universe what's wrong with it? Stuff like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight get away with logic but it fits in the what the universe is portraying so nothing wrong with it : P

I didn't mean so much for the storyline itself as the what happens with the games and the series. Just having it kind of in limbo for so long was painful.

Obviously we all want the unique gameplay experience to come back, but even if it captures only part of what made the first two special it'll be great for a lot of fans.

Even so without the gameplay being everything it should be it would be a massive disappointment. I have faith in Yu to deliever and even if he doesn't game of the forever Yakuza 5 still exists.
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 10:18:46 am
Here's why Ryo looks weird:
I think it's just a bad model.
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Post by: Centrale on June 17, 2015, 10:20:52 am
The new lighting system is likely also brightening his eyes to a hotter brown, cause that's the first thing I see as "off" compared to the original.

This is the first thing that jumped out at me, too. But if you look at the image of Ryo on the back of the Xbox Shenmue II box, you can see a similar coloration of his eyes.

The proportions of the features seem a bit different. But ultimately they'll get the model dialed in to a better likeness, I'm sure.

BTW, the Kickstarter is now within $15,000 of the $3mil mark.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 10:22:56 am
It's a soap opera for men but even so, it's got a much better story structure and plotline than Shenmue. The two don't even really compare.

Stuff can be crazy but as long as it's in the realm of the universe then it's fine. Watchman for example is a fantastic plotline but are we really going to say the stuff that happens in it isn't shit crazy and actually farfetched, but if it fits in the realm of the universe what's wrong with it? Stuff like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight get away with logic but it fits in the what the universe is portraying so nothing wrong with it : P

Even so without the gameplay being everything it should be it would be a massive disappointment. I have faith in Yu to deliever and even if he doesn't game of the forever Yakuza 5 still exists.

I'm not talking about far-fetched, I'm talking about just plain lazy or bad writing. I guess the tone of the game makes it okay for the most part, since it's really silly and outrageous though.

As I said, I love the games and the characters regardless, and I feel most of the time the plot fits, but I also don't think I would ever describe it as particularly good.

What are you expecting from the gameplay of Shenmue III? I'm already expecting the fighting to be gutted really badly, unfortuantely. If they keep at least the exploration and the QTEs good it'll go a long way.
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 10:28:24 am
Fresh from Famitsu:

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Finally, Yu Suzuki shared more on ideas he has for Shenmure III’s QTE (Quick Time Event) system.

 

“I’d like to present a new QTE. Something elaborate, yet easily playable by just about anyone,” says Suzuki. “Instead of simply winning by pressing buttons in a timely manner, I’d like to make something that will have people win fights by making correct judgements.”

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Famitsu then ask what kind of open world one can expect to see in Shenmue III.

 

“Everyone must be thinking that we’ll expand the open world more, but I’ve been deeply questioning whether or not to do that instead,” says Suzuki. “If we were to have 100 characters and split the budget among them, we’d  be limited in terms of what we could do with each one; however, if we were to split that budget among just 10 characters, we could do a lot more with them.”

 

He continues, “For example, we could set a parameter for Ling Shen Hua, then we could have it change her attitude depending on the conversations, or the way one proceeds through quests. Of course, that doesn’t mean that it won’t be an open world game. A stretch goal on Kickstarter will determine the expansion of the city.”

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Next, they ask about their target amount of funds from Kickstarter  (which, by the way, is currently over $2.9 million as of this article).

 

“200 million yen (around $2 million) for starters,” responds Suzuki. “That said, 200 million yen is the minimum required amount in order to make the game. If we happen to collect more funds, then we’ll add more things that we’ve been wanting to add to it.”

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/06/17/yu-suzuki-wants-to-introduce-a-new-qte-system-for-shenmue-3/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29 (http://www.siliconera.com/2015/06/17/yu-suzuki-wants-to-introduce-a-new-qte-system-for-shenmue-3/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29)
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Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2015, 10:40:41 am
Sounds a lot like Alpha Protocol with the character interaction.

Also, I think Mademan will be disappointed with the fighting system. I think VF-style combat is being replaced with something else.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 10:41:51 am
I'm not talking about far-fetched, I'm talking about just plain lazy or bad writing. I guess the tone of the game makes it okay for the most part, since it's really silly and outrageous though.

As I said, I love the games and the characters regardless, and I feel most of the time the plot fits, but I also don't think I would ever describe it as particularly good.

What are you expecting from the gameplay of Shenmue III? I'm already expecting the fighting to be gutted really badly, unfortuantely. If they keep at least the exploration and the QTEs good it'll go a long way.

Do you feel The Dark Knight falls apart in its third act cause shit goes super silly then. I would say  certain elements is bad but Yakuza is head and shoulders over Shenmue when it comes to narrative. I don't see how that is something controversial!

You're going to lose it when Shenmue goes all Dragonball Z on us.

I'm hoping the fighting system is still good. I'd be absolutely shattered if it's just an Arkham ripoff.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 10:45:41 am
Sounds a lot like Alpha Protocol with the character interaction.

Also, I think Mademan will be disappointed with the fighting system. I think VF-style combat is being replaced with something else.

That's what I'm worried about. I think it will keep at least the basis, being Punch, Kick, Guard, Throw, but it might be slightly different. I want to have faith that Yu Suzuki will have something good in mind. Especialyl knowing how important VF is to this series.

Thanks for posting that interview Pao! I really like the idea of what he has planned for QTE. I wonder what he's looking at? Maybe you'll have more options instead of just 'Hit A', it might be a flash to say 'Do Something!' and you need to press the corresponding button and make the choice.

IE: Soemone is swinging a bat at you, you hit 'Down' to duck it. Ahead is an obstacle, you hit 'A' to jump it. There is no prompt, but you choose the button accordingly. I would like that.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 10:49:20 am
You're going to lose it when Shenmue goes all Dragonball Z on us.
No, I really won't because I've been expecting it for so long, and the game has been easing us into it already. My favourite part of Shenmue is in Shenmue II where the old man in the park tells you to 'cover the ground with leaves' by hitting the tree.
After hitting it repeatedly with all his strength, he finally get's enough to progress. The old man then just walks up to the tree and gently touches it, causing the tree to violently shake harder than anything Ryo could do. Ryo left dumbstruck while the leaves fall is my favourite part of the game, and the first part that hints at something 'supernatural' happening.

I'm actually really excited to see where it goes! :D


As for Yakuza, let's take that offline, because I think we are talking about different things. As I said, don't think I'm trying to bash the games too much, I do love the series and cannot wait for 5.
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Post by: segaismysavior on June 17, 2015, 10:51:32 am
I think it's just a bad model.

What specifically is "bad" about it? It doesn't "look right?" It doesn't look like a person? It looks too much like a fake person? A bad action figure? Is he not attractive enough? I sure wouldn't hit that.

They haven't animated his face yet, which is why his expression looks derpy to me.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 10:54:55 am
As for Yakuza, let's take that offline, because I think we are talking about different things. As I said, don't think I'm trying to bash the games too much, I do love the series and cannot wait for 5.

Actually my point was less to do with Yakuza and realism and more to do with the fact giving characters super powers usually ends up with even more deus ex moments. Now Lan Di can just teleport away just before Ryo is about to land the final blow.

I'm just amazed you think Shenmue had a decent plot. Pretty much most games have a better storyline than Shenmue. Narrative was probably Shenmue weakest area (obviously too, the world building took precedence. )
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 11:10:18 am
Actually my point was less to do with Yakuza and realism and more to do with the fact giving characters super powers usually ends up with even more deus ex moments. Now Lan Di can just teleport away just before Ryo is about to land the final blow.

I'm just amazed you think Shenmue had a decent plot. Pretty much most games have a better storyline than Shenmue. Narrative was probably Shenmue weakest area (obviously too, the world building took precedence. )

Power creep is a concern, but I figure if the story had a defined beginning and end it's less likely to happen rather than cape comics and the like where they just kind of make it up as they go.

I agree Shenmue's plot isn't great, but I like the sense of adventure the series had. I feel like it has a strong sense of back-story and a greater world which makes up for the weak plot if that makes sense.
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Post by: Sharky on June 17, 2015, 11:11:24 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHtSS61UEAA-R2N.jpg)
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 11:14:17 am
If the combat changes, you won't be hearing any complaints from me. Man, I am terrible at fighting games, all my fights in Shenmue just boil down to "mash buttons and pray." I think an Arkham style fighting system would fit well, but only after a certain point, to show how much Ryo's skill has grown. He would also need a very tiny health bar and go down in only a few hits.

Whatever new QTE's there are, I hope they ditch the "combinations" from Shenmue II. Those were the reason I had to play the final boss eight times...

I think I figured out why Ryo's model looks off: it actually resembles his concept art. His face and general build is MUCH thinner in the presentation than it was in the old games, and looking at that one piece of art that Suzuki always shows off, it reminds me a lot of that. Still hope we go back to the old way, but it makes a bit more sense now (even the Saturn model looked thinner than his Dreamcast model).

We're so close to $3 million I can taste it...
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 11:15:18 am
Power creep is a concern, but I figure if the story had a defined beginning and end it's less likely to happen rather than cape comics and the like where they just kind of make it up as they go.

I agree Shenmue's plot isn't great, but I like the sense of adventure the series had. I feel like it has a strong sense of back-story and a greater world which makes up for the weak plot if that makes sense.


I agree with that, just unless Shenmue has a professional writer on board I am going to worry for the story. But as a mention the plot didn't really matter when it was more about the world rather than the core storyline.
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Post by: Tad on June 17, 2015, 11:17:35 am
Actually my point was less to do with Yakuza and realism and more to do with the fact giving characters super powers usually ends up with even more deus ex moments. Now Lan Di can just teleport away just before Ryo is about to land the final blow.

I'm just amazed you think Shenmue had a decent plot. Pretty much most games have a better storyline than Shenmue. Narrative was probably Shenmue weakest area (obviously too, the world building took precedence. )

Hmm, I'd say Shenmue's plot is rather basic, but it's the cultures it brings and world that it excels in. I can't say Yakuza has a even remotely good plot though if we're bringing it up. It's just nonsense created because that goes on and on.

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Post by: Sharky on June 17, 2015, 11:17:56 am
What specifically is "bad" about it? It doesn't "look right?" It doesn't look like a person? It looks too much like a fake person? A bad action figure? Is he not attractive enough? I sure wouldn't hit that.

They haven't animated his face yet, which is why his expression looks derpy to me.

Dude it's a bad model... The facial features are wrong, the hair and skin colours are off. It's just not Ryo Hazuki that we know and love, it looks like an imitation made in another games character creator. I'm hoping beyond hope the character model is a stand in.
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 11:20:22 am
How can Shenmue's plot be bad when we have such key, series-defining moments as Asian Smeagle eating your Hong Kong tickets in the middle of an arcade?


In all seriousness, I actually do like the plot a lot. It hits that very fine spot between over-the-top bullshit and actual plausibility. Helps that the acting is suitably cheesy across the board.
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Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 11:24:02 am
(http://i59.tinypic.com/esq1xl.jpg)

We almost at 3 million!
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Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 17, 2015, 11:25:29 am
Just reached 3 million!  ;-D
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 11:26:46 am
(http://i.imgur.com/qXccu4J.jpg)


[insert fitting song lyrics or video]
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Post by: Sharky on June 17, 2015, 11:27:31 am
Another incredible milestone! Whoooo!

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Awww beaten!
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Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 11:28:29 am
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2mng77n.gif)

Man!
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Post by: Tad on June 17, 2015, 11:30:07 am
How can Shenmue's plot be bad when we have such key, series-defining moments as Asian Smeagle eating your Hong Kong tickets in the middle of an arcade?

It was his precious to be fair ;)

About the fighting system...

Things will change in this game. Budget constraints and just general refinement will be needed. Things that didn't quite work dropped etc.

At its heart, I've always seen Shenmue as adventure game like the old point 'n' click games only, the evolution of them.
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 11:51:05 am
Polygon published an article and interview on the game's budget concerns, might be worth a look:

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/17/8795017/shenmue-on-a-budget
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Post by: segaismysavior on June 17, 2015, 11:53:14 am
Dude it's a bad model... The facial features are wrong, the hair and skin colours are off. It's just not Ryo Hazuki that we know and love, it looks like an imitation made in another games character creator. I'm hoping beyond hope the character model is a stand in.

I'm not trying to defend the model, btw. I'm just trying to get people to elaborate on what they don't like about it beyond "shit sucks, fuck it."

I'm also trying to figure out why I don't like it, and analyzing it based on what I know about Unreal technology, modern game art pipelines, and character modelling/sculpting.

Dropping the original models and textures into Unreal would make them look like garbage as well.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 11:56:07 am
Hmm, I'd say Shenmue's plot is rather basic, but it's the cultures it brings and world that it excels in. I can't say Yakuza has a even remotely good plot though if we're bringing it up. It's just nonsense created because that goes on and on.

I'd say it's plot is very macho soap operish, like you're reading a chapter of JoJo. It's narrative is boosted because it's helped it has some really good characters so when one finally hits the bucket it does leave an impact. Honestly I'd say it's above Shenmue because it's narrative beats are just stronger.

I wouldn't call all of the Yakuza games nonsense for the sake of nonsense. The first two are the best though thanks to Hase Seishu writing them nut the biggest problem is Nagoshi always gets involved in the last chapters, the climaxes are almost always good but things do tend to go a bit mental in them.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 11:59:05 am
If the combat changes, you won't be hearing any complaints from me. Man, I am terrible at fighting games, all my fights in Shenmue just boil down to "mash buttons and pray." I think an Arkham style fighting system would fit well, but only after a certain point, to show how much Ryo's skill has grown. He would also need a very tiny health bar and go down in only a few hits.

I really don't think they need to make it much simpler, you could win fights in Shenmue with the most basic strikes and throws. I do hope they don't do Batman style combat (as much as I liked those games, it doesn't fit Shenmue).
I agree with that, just unless Shenmue has a professional writer on board I am going to worry for the story. But as a mention the plot didn't really matter when it was more about the world rather than the core storyline.

They have the original games writer on board who has experience in film and TV apparently?
How can Shenmue's plot be bad when we have such key, series-defining moments as Asian Smeagle eating your Hong Kong tickets in the middle of an arcade?


In all seriousness, I actually do like the plot a lot. It hits that very fine spot between over-the-top bullshit and actual plausibility. Helps that the acting is suitably cheesy across the board.

Haha, I actually really liked that scene! Imagine some dude just straight up ate your fucking plane ticket. It impressed 13 year old Made Man anyway.
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Post by: crackdude on June 17, 2015, 12:00:18 pm
Polygon published an article and interview on the game's budget concerns, might be worth a look:

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/17/8795017/shenmue-on-a-budget (http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/17/8795017/shenmue-on-a-budget)
Sorry Moody, but nothing from Polygon is worth taking a look at.
They are Kotaku, except even more pretentious.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 12:06:26 pm
They have the original games writer on board who has experience in film and TV apparently?

That's the problem. Have you seen the guy's credits? :p
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 12:09:41 pm
I'm not trying to defend the model, btw. I'm just trying to get people to elaborate on what they don't like about it beyond "shit sucks, fuck it."

I'm also trying to figure out why I don't like it, and analyzing it based on what I know about Unreal technology, modern game art pipelines, and character modelling/sculpting.

Dropping the original models and textures into Unreal would make them look like garbage as well.

Simply put, it doesn't look like Ryo Hazuki. The facial features are wrong (Even taking into account the lighting and shadowing.)
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Post by: Trippled on June 17, 2015, 12:12:39 pm
Alot of Shenmue staff never worked on videogames...game development staff was either arcade conversion staff which left Sega (Tak Hirai was the wizard to bring VF2 to Saturn) and actual arcade staff that are still at Sega doing arcade stuff.
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Post by: segaismysavior on June 17, 2015, 12:14:35 pm
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Though Suzuki said that despite the evolution of open world game design since Shenmue 1 and 2 shipped, he doesn’t have any plans to alter the way Shenmue 3 will play to keep up with the times, aiming for a feel similar to the original games.

Good news to fans, might confuse new players though.



Simply put, it doesn't look like Ryo Hazuki. The facial features are wrong (Even taking into account the lighting and shadowing.)

Correct, he looks more like a person now and not a cartoon character.
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 12:20:20 pm
Correct, he looks more like a person now and not a cartoon character.
That's not necessarily a good thing.  (I'd also argue he doesn't look more human than DC Ryo).
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Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2015, 12:22:55 pm
Hey guys, I've been at work updating the Shenmue III SEGA Retro (someday to be renamed SEGAbits Wiki) entry: http://segaretro.org/Shenmue_III

The franchise box below has been updated as well. I'd invite any of you to contribute to the wiki as details roll in. Of course, it will also require an edit once the Kickstarter wraps.
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Post by: Centrale on June 17, 2015, 12:25:17 pm
Quick work, Barry! I just looked at it a couple hours ago and all it said was "This is game not come out yet" or something similarly grammatically chunky.
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Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2015, 12:30:13 pm
Quick work, Barry! I just looked at it a couple hours ago and all it said was "This is game not come out yet" or something similarly grammatically chunky.

Thanks! Yeah, it was annoying me to see the old UNRELEASED label. Once the dust settles, I'd like to see an expanded DEVELOPMENT section with mentions of the Saturn and Dreamcast and Xbox possibilities as well as hints leading to the Kickstarter. I also think this section will expand greatly over the next few years.


Interesting to note that the Japanese dub is all but confirmed, however we have not seen a mention of an English version. English and Japanese subs are a given, but only the Japanese Ryo actor is listed. I feel that they might not bring back the US cast to save money.
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Post by: Tad on June 17, 2015, 12:31:40 pm
Out of interest, will the KS get the usually brief behind the scenes look most KS games do? That would be interested for something like Shenmue.
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Post by: Trippled on June 17, 2015, 12:42:40 pm
Hey guys, I've been at work updating the Shenmue III SEGA Retro (someday to be renamed SEGAbits Wiki) entry: http://segaretro.org/Shenmue_III

The franchise box below has been updated as well. I'd invite any of you to contribute to the wiki as details roll in. Of course, it will also require an edit once the Kickstarter wraps.

Sega Retro has whole lot of blank pages, is what I don't like about it. More consolidation would be better imo
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Post by: Centrale on June 17, 2015, 12:42:56 pm
Not sure if this would be of long-term interest for the article, but just for my own interest I'd like to compile a timeline of the clues that led up to the E3 announcement. Here are a few that I heard about in the days leading up to it...

*5/25 - Yu Suzuki re-activated his Twitter account
*5/26 - YS Twitter account shows him visiting with Wu Rensi Roshi
*6/11 - YS Twitter account shows picture of Las Vegas, indicating that he is on his way to E3 in LA
*6/14 - YS Twitter account shows picture of forklift at E3

Personally I was taking this all with a grain of salt. The first thing that really made me raise my eyebrow was when someone discovered that shenmue.com had been transferred to Amazon hosting a week or two prior to E3. However, as it turns out, shenmue.com still doesn't seem to load.

Of course, such a timeline could be expanded to cover the last several years of developments.
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Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 17, 2015, 12:52:49 pm
*1/25 - Yu Suzuki receives my gushing fan letter asking for Shenmue III, Suzuki finally decides to make the game because I said "please"
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Post by: Centrale on June 17, 2015, 12:55:04 pm
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5251701109_cb158ac88b.jpg)
*Each day of past 14 years - I put my Shenmue discs on the ground and do a "Totoro dance" around them to "grow" Shenmue III
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 12:57:20 pm

*Each day of past 14 years - I put my Shenmue discs on the ground and do a "Totoro dance" around them to "grow" Shenmue III

But wasn't Totoro death?

Are you saying that we all actually died on the 15th June 2015, and this is the afterlife? The righteous got Shenmue III announced, while the wicked got Fallout 4?


Aki-at was in the middle, so he got Shenmue III and Metroid Republic Commando or whatever that game is he hates.
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 12:59:10 pm
Are you saying that we all actually died on the 15th June 2015, and this is the afterlife? The righteous got Shenmue III announced, while the wicked got Fallout 4?

Damnit, why do you have to make me choose?!
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Post by: crackdude on June 17, 2015, 12:59:32 pm
However, as it turns out, shenmue.com still doesn't seem to load.
Isn't shenmue.link using the same servers?
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Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 01:07:00 pm
It seems that Shenmue.link is created for the Kickstarter, not the game page.

http://www.ysnet-inc.jp/

New site looks cute.
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Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 17, 2015, 01:19:33 pm
Uhg, why does this article exist?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2015/06/17/stop-donating-to-the-shenmue-3-kickstarter-right-now/


It's the first thing you see on Google when you search "Shenmue 3 Kickstarter".
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 01:22:16 pm
^

Can't wait for all the salty people


Seriously though, who CARES if Sony's being a bit shady with how they're doing this? That's like when people were upset that Notch was willing to fund Psychonauts 2 because it was mismanaging his funds.
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 01:26:40 pm
Uhg, why does this article exist?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2015/06/17/stop-donating-to-the-shenmue-3-kickstarter-right-now/


It's the first thing you see on Google when you search "Shenmue 3 Kickstarter".
WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKK
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 01:35:33 pm
Forbes can't stop this train.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 01:40:06 pm
But wasn't Totoro death?

Are you saying that we all actually died on the 15th June 2015, and this is the afterlife? The righteous got Shenmue III announced, while the wicked got Fallout 4?


Aki-at was in the middle, so he got Shenmue III and Metroid Republic Commando or whatever that game is he hates.

Jokes on you, classic Godzilla has been confirmed for the new Godzilla. All is right in the world.
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 01:45:18 pm
Forbes can't stop this train.

Nothing stops this train... But it's slowing down.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 01:48:41 pm
Nothing stops this train... But it's slowing down.

That's natural for Kickstarter though.
It'll be a shame if Shenmue III is hamstrung because of moral outrage of using a crowdfunding site for crowdfunding.
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Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 01:53:21 pm
The funny thing is how much the Forbes article is assuming. Its assuming that they only needed to raise 2 million for Sony to 'fully fund it', where is this information coming from? All I heard is that they are doing 'some funding', you do know all those SEGA Xbox exclusives like JSRF, Toejam & Earl all received 'some funding' as well? In the form of advertising money.

Its a win/win for developer/publisher and console manufacture. You pay for advertising after the fact, its console exclusive on your system so all ads are also a PS4 (or Xbox or whatever) ad.

This is the company that spend way more money on The Order just to show how nice the graphics on PS4 are...
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Post by: Trippled on June 17, 2015, 01:55:12 pm
Iit's confirmed Shibuya Productions is heavily involved...and is not just Sony. Its right there at kickstarter as co-producer, why won't people read??
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 02:03:56 pm
SEGA is officially out of the running for publishing the PC version of Shenmue III, instead it will be Shibuya International (Who is also responsible for helping bring more funds to the project.) saying that, some interesting piece of news from a GAF member;

Quote
Interesting infos from interview :
 
 - The story begins directly where Shenmue II ended
 - May have arcade games (it's a kickstarter stretch goal)
 - New gameplay features : retrieve fighting skills scrolls, part of fighting system, can be unlocked in mini-games, gambling, side quests. The scrolls will unlock super moves and increase Ryo's skills.
 - Good relationships between Sega and Yu Suzuki. Sega gave all elements from Shenmue 1 and 2 that Yu Suzuki need for Shenmue 3
 - Cédric Biscay is in charge of PC version, and to find funds
 - We will get new infos february 27, at "MAGIC " convention in Monaco
 
 (sorry for my english)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168668724&postcount=5214

Good guy SEGA being good guy. Let's hope the arcade games are SEGA titles, would love to see them in the Shenmue world still : P
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 02:07:08 pm
So a dying question that needs to be answered now...

If Yu Suzuki has all the assets from Shenmue 1 and 2 why is Ryo's model so different?
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Post by: Pao on June 17, 2015, 02:12:41 pm
I doubt there will be Arcade machines in remote Chinese villages, so maybe Ryo will move to a city?
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Post by: Sharky on June 17, 2015, 02:15:32 pm
So a dying question that needs to be answered now...

If Yu Suzuki has all the assets from Shenmue 1 and 2 why is Ryo's model so different?

The question is, is this just a stand in for the pitch? If not I am going to kick up such a ruckus!
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 02:19:22 pm
I doubt there will be Arcade machines in remote Chinese villages, so maybe Ryo will move to a city?

Some rich kid in the village befriends Ryo and has a Mega Drive with Outrun playable. I just solved the problem Yu Suzuki please hire me.

The question is, is this just a stand in for the pitch? If not I am going to kick up such a ruckus!

It has to be... Ryo no longer looks like a teenager but in his late 20s now.
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 02:23:15 pm
Why settle on a Mega Drive? Sonic the Hedgehog, Sega Saturn and Xbox (or at least the buttons) exist in Shenmue already, we should be playing Jet Set Radio on a Dreamcast in 3.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 02:27:11 pm
I guess we don't know if later in the game Ryo will go back to Hong Kong or some other more developed area. Hopefully he does, if only to satisfy different locales and also to get arcade machines and stuff.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 02:31:21 pm
Why settle on a Mega Drive? Sonic the Hedgehog, Sega Saturn and Xbox (or at least the buttons) exist in Shenmue already, we should be playing Jet Set Radio on a Dreamcast in 3.

Because the Mega Drive is the greatest games console known to man and truly an achievement that the whole universe would be proud of.

[spoiler]Yes it's my favourite console.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 02:32:22 pm
...

For some reason I got Mega Drive mixed up with Master System...did Outrun even come out on that?
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Post by: Dr. SEGA Monkey on June 17, 2015, 02:34:40 pm
Obviously the arcade games will be playable in his dream sequences.  8)
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Post by: Trippled on June 17, 2015, 02:36:35 pm
How about Periscope. David Rosen needs some respect
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 02:37:44 pm
Don't forget this game is funded by Sony, not Sega.

He'll be playing Gran Turismo on a PSX.
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Post by: Trippled on June 17, 2015, 02:49:03 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPgVoBKXYWk

Suzuki speaks, we listen...
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 03:01:39 pm
Suzuki looked so confused in the beginning haha.


ALSO NEW OUTRAGE FOUND SHENMUE FUNDED BY TAX DODGERS!



Don't forget this game is funded by Sony, not Sega.

He'll be playing Gran Turismo on a PSX.


And just before you're about to complete a lap the game takes control and forces Ryo to turn off the game, exclaiming how shit it is compared to Daytona.


...

For some reason I got Mega Drive mixed up with Master System...did Outrun even come out on that?


In the Shenmue reality the Mega Drive is 2 times more powerful and can play a arcade perfect Outrun game.
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Post by: Sharky on June 17, 2015, 03:06:05 pm
Yu Suzuki realized hes made a huge mistake, now he has to hang out with douchebags and pretend hes enjoying himself.
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 03:07:49 pm
I love how Yu Suzuki just looks like he's having such a good time wherever he is right now.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 03:23:21 pm
And just before you're about to complete a lap the game takes control and forces Ryo to turn off the game, exclaiming how shit it is compared to Daytona.

Gran Turismo had better characterisation and plot than Daytona though.
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Post by: George on June 17, 2015, 03:24:55 pm
Gran Turismo had better characterisation and plot than Daytona though.
But Outrun 2 had blue skies...
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 03:26:53 pm
Gran Turismo had better characterisation and plot than Daytona though.

Plotline?


Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Gran Turismo plots are pretty laughably bad if I'm to be honest. Car crashes, faulty engines, long lost twin gearboxes, etc. I still love the games and they have fun plots, but oh my god it's the dumbest shit ever. I guess that's part of the idea though. I think you described it as a soap opera for jocks (that isn't pro hamilton)

Characterisation I'll give you though.
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Post by: MadeManG74 on June 17, 2015, 03:32:47 pm
Plotline?


Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Gran Turismo plots are pretty laughably bad if I'm to be honest. Car crashes, faulty engines, long lost twin gearboxes, etc. I still love the games and they have fun plots, but oh my god it's the dumbest shit ever. I guess that's part of the idea though. I think you described it as a soap opera for jocks (that isn't pro hamilton)

Characterisation I'll give you though.

Do you feel 'Senna' falls apart in its third act cause shit goes super silly then. I would say  certain elements is bad but Gran Turismo is engine and gearbox over Outrun when it comes to narrative. I don't see how that is something controversial!

You're going to lose it when Outrun goes all Sailor Moon on us.
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Post by: Aki-at on June 17, 2015, 03:36:35 pm
Do you feel 'Senna' falls apart in its third act cause shit goes super silly then. I would say  certain elements is bad but Gran Turismo is engine and gearbox over Outrun when it comes to narrative. I don't see how that is something controversial!

You're going to lose it when Outrun goes all Sailor Moon on us.


No, I really won't because I've been expecting it for so long, and the game has been easing us into it already. My favourite part of Outrun is in Outrun II where the girlfriend in the park tells you to 'cover the ground with oil' by breaking the engine.
After hitting it repeatedly with all his strength, he finally get's enough to progress. The girlfriend then just walks up to the engine and gently touches it, causing the engine to violently trev harder than anything the driver could do. the driver left dumbstruck while the oil fall is my favourite part of the game, and the first part that hints at something 'magical' happening.

I'm actually really excited to see where it goes! :D

As for Gran Turismo, let's take that offline, because I think we are talking about different things. As I said, don't think I'm trying to bash the games too much, I do love the series and cannot wait for 6.
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Post by: Centrale on June 17, 2015, 03:37:52 pm
...

For some reason I got Mega Drive mixed up with Master System...did Outrun even come out on that?

It did. It's quite a nice 8-bit conversion, considering the Master System's capabilities. Apparently Yuji Naka worked on it.
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Post by: max_cady on June 17, 2015, 03:48:37 pm
Polygon published an article and interview on the game's budget concerns, might be worth a look:

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/17/8795017/shenmue-on-a-budget (http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/17/8795017/shenmue-on-a-budget)

Interesting article but doesn't tell us anything that we haven't known or had our suspiscions about. Yooka Laylee and Bloodstained devs already had secured some financial backing. I have no doubt that Yu Suzuki has his sources as well.
The one major fact that Polygon points out that I agree very much: Sandbox games were still very new at that time, so it's no surprise that it cost so much to make. But nowadays it's a fairly common genre, produced at a considerably lower cost than before.

Take Sleeping Dogs, take any of Rockstar's non-GTA sandbox games, take Saint's Row. I doubt any of them cost as much as the original Shenmue did (and I assume the budget was for the whole saga, not just one game).

To say that Shenmue 3 will be a much smaller world, does not strike me as shocking or troublesome in the least. Because when you atually look at both games in terms of size:

-Shenmue has the Hazuki residence, the neighbourhood, the town and the harbor;
-Shenmue 2 is larger since you have the Abeerdeen area, the various quarters and the top, Kowloon which is actually smaller, but feels bigger because of interior of several buildings and Guilin, though most of it is linear;

And most important of all, unlike the characters in other sandbox games, Ryo walks from place to place, if he drove a car or even a bike during most of his adventure, you would be surprised as to how small it is. The fact that you spend the time walking around makes the world seem larger.

So yes, the claims that Shenmue could be made with a smaller budget don't strike me as troublesome. But there is one thing that I need to know for sure and it's how you will control Ryo in his adventure.

D-pads are barely used anymore. You'd control Ryo with the D-pad, stiff, rigid but precise. You make him loom around with the analog stick. I'm curious to see how players will control Ryo with dual analog sticks and I imagine it's because of that that the fighting system is going to undergo some major change.
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Post by: Moody on June 17, 2015, 03:53:46 pm
Call me crazy, but I think Shenmue 3's success might actually hinge on there being HD re-releases. You'll notice a lot of games, when a considerable amount of time has passed since the previous game, there'll usually be some form of re-release these days, whether already happened or going to happen. God of War, Gears of War, Banjo-Kazooi