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Title: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 03, 2010, 05:20:52 am
Have you used an iPod Touch? Imagine if it was bigger. The first 3 days are fucking awesome, you can't believe it, then you come to the realization that you spent 200 dollars on a 32gb iPod and the apps are not that great.

Someone seems to care though...
(http://http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/500x_applestoreline.jpg)

I liked the concept of the iPad, though its like instead of taking the leap, Apple took a step and half assed the thing.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 03, 2010, 06:18:51 am
My closed-minded brain can't see much use for that thing. I'm sure a lot of people will find it useful in some way or another.

I think, however, it fails in all things it seems to want to achieve. It doesn't work that well as a book reader (Kindle says hi), it doesn't work that well as a notebook (USB says hi, keyboards say hi) and it doesn't work that well as a games machine (iTouch/iPhone say hi not to say NDS says hi).

Notice these are opinions of someone who never touched the device. Oh and by the way, [insert proper pad joke].
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 03, 2010, 07:38:25 am
I think as an inbetween for an iPod Touch and small laptop, the iPad is a success. THough they're gonna have to add a camera and mic before I even consider buying one.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 03, 2010, 07:49:16 am
Apple fans give a shit
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 03, 2010, 08:01:42 am
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
I think as an inbetween for an iPod Touch and small laptop, the iPad is a success. THough they're gonna have to add a camera and mic before I even consider buying one.
I would like a real browser that supports flash, multitasking and USB ports.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 03, 2010, 08:09:06 am
(http://http://s3.amazonaws.com/bzzagent-bzzscapes-prod/think-different-campaign---ron-jeremy-lrg.png)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MetaKraken_PSN on April 03, 2010, 12:21:56 pm
Edit: Never mind...
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MadeManG74 on April 03, 2010, 07:18:27 pm
The whole thing seems like a bad joke, or Apple proving to the world that their fans will buy anything with the Apple logo on it.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 03, 2010, 07:25:40 pm
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
The whole thing seems like a bad joke, or Apple proving to the world that their fans will buy anything with the Apple logo on it.
They probably would.

JooJoo seems a ton better. It supports flash and 1080p video.
https://thejoojoo.com/ (https://thejoojoo.com/)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Sega Uranus on April 03, 2010, 09:32:34 pm
When I first heard of it, I remember hearing the price was around $100, and even then I did not think it was that great sounding...

It did make me a big fan of Comedy Central's show Tosh.0 however!

http://www.comedycentral.com/tosh.0/201 ... s-an-ipad/ (http://www.comedycentral.com/tosh.0/2010/02/09/daniel-tosh-destroys-an-ipad/)

[spoiler:2jec5n6l]They never turned it on![/spoiler:2jec5n6l]
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: upsidedown fuji on April 04, 2010, 07:26:04 am
If it sells like hotcakes, it will lower the price of hardware for all. I support it as I want my Star Trek the Next Generation PADDs within another 10 years. But, to be honest; I have no real use for it.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on April 04, 2010, 04:03:46 pm
Over half a million people are complete morons today, it would seem. Sales estimates I've seen are projected at around 700,000.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 04, 2010, 09:40:13 pm
Seems that the iPad has already been jailbroken (http://http://gizmodo.com/5509219/apple-ipad-already-jailbroken).

I want to see what this will bring...  :twisted:
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 10:39:54 am
Quote from: "Orta"
My closed-minded brain can't see much use for that thing. I'm sure a lot of people will find it useful in some way or another.

I think, however, it fails in all things it seems to want to achieve. It doesn't work that well as a book reader (Kindle says hi), it doesn't work that well as a notebook (USB says hi, keyboards say hi) and it doesn't work that well as a games machine (iTouch/iPhone say hi not to say NDS says hi).

Notice these are opinions of someone who never touched the device. Oh and by the way, [insert proper pad joke].

1)  Why doesn't it work as a book reader?  The iBooks application is better than Kindle (It's in color, and you can change the fonts and text size), but if you still like the Kindle, there's an Amazon Kindle App for the iPad.  

2)  The dock port is USB, just proprietary.  There is a both a software and hardware wireless Keyboard (http://http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC184LL/A?fnode=MTc0MjU4OTY&mco=MTc0MjU1NzU), or Keyboard dock (http://http://store.apple.com/us/product/IPAD_KBDOCK?mco=MTc0MjU1NTI).  

3)  Why doesn't it work as well as a game machine?  There's no such thing as an "iTouch".  

I know you told us at the end that you were ignorant, but why post at all?


Quote from: "fluffywhatever"
Over half a million people are complete morons today, it would seem. Sales estimates I've seen are projected at around 700,000.

It's just fine to say you don't understand it, or see the use for it.  Now you call everyone who bought one a moron?  You're calling me a moron.  

I realize I'm swimming upstream in this thread, and obviously I'm not as cool as the rest of you that think I'm a moron or a mindless Apple fan.  Just so I can get ripped apart, here's my reasoning for buying one.

1)  It's more than just a giant iPod Touch.  ("iTouch" is not a thing).  It has a custom A4 chip and actually runs full computer-like applications Keynote, Numbers and Pages (Think Apple's version of Powerpoint, Excel and Word).  Me being a Realtor, I will bring it to someone's house and go through my listing presentation (a Keynote file).  SInce it's a pad, they can sign electronic documents on it, and I can page through comparable sales and their as-built survey, and if they want to see how I advertise, I can take them though my web site using wireless or 3G.  

Unlike a Netbook, it's not a throttled down computer.  It's a hybrid of the iPhone and a laptop.  Things are built to run in it specifically, with a completely different interface than a computer.  

2)  I travel a lot.  I'm the president elect for my local board of Realtors, so this year I'm going to Washington DC, Chicago, New Orleans and Juneau (twice).  It's a huge added bonus to be able to watch movies on something that light, yet with such a huge screen, plus I don't drain my iPhone's battery while I'm on the plane, get off the plane and I can't call the Hotel shuttle.    

3)  All the previous iPhone / iPod Touch apps will work on it.  You just tap on them to blow them up.  Also, may of the developers have already made updates so you have the same ones in native resolution, and there are completely separate iPad versions as well.  

4)  Since it's an apple product, I can connect it to Mobile Me and sync it with my 1550 contacts, calendars, Safari Bookmarks and Mail.  It makes a great planner.  With the iPhone it was a little stressful to try to input appointments on it while I'm talking on it at the same time.  It can be done, but it isn't fun.  

5)  iTunes  / iPod functionality, and everything it entails.  I don't need to explain that.

6)  I've been excited about switching to eBooks, since I have a whole room full of books that I am tired of moving around when I move houses.  I still haven't been excited about the Kindle.  It only does the one thing, and it's not in color, so any graphic novels or magazines won't work on it.  So iBooks sounds much better to me.  I just wish my iPad was here so I could go through and browse the books they have.  I want to start planning which books I'm going to replace, and which ones I will keep.

Negatives

 - It should have a front-facing camera for video chat.  That's important to some people.  I don't need it, but I recognize that it's missing.  

 - Flash Memory is still too expensive.  The largest capacity you can get is 64GB.  I'm sure in future versions the HD capacity will be much higher.  

 - Doesn't completely multi-task.  Apple made a conscious choice with the iPhone to limit the multi-tasking.  You can talk on the phone or listen to music while you do one other thing.  If you try the droid, reviews say that you can easily bring the phone to a screeching halt and kill the battery with multi-tasking.  Why give people something else to complain about?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 11:25:42 am
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
1)  Why doesn't it work as a book reader?  The iBooks application is better than Kindle (It's in color, and you can change the fonts and text size), but if you still like the Kindle, there's an Amazon Kindle App for the iPad.  

Battery, having to stare at a computer screen to read. These screens hurt my eyes. The battery lasts 10 hours, but that's not enough when you're away from home. If I was to use this as a book reader I wouldn't want to be stuck to a wall.

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2)  The dock port is USB, just proprietary.  There is a both a software and hardware wireless Keyboard (http://http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC184LL/A?fnode=MTc0MjU4OTY&mco=MTc0MjU1NzU), or Keyboard dock (http://http://store.apple.com/us/product/IPAD_KBDOCK?mco=MTc0MjU1NTI).  

Which means, "pay a load of money to Apple to be able to use a USB port". Why not put a regular port instead? Why can't I shove a USB memory stick in one of those things so I can copy a few photos my friend wants to give me? I have to carry some adapter around? To think Apple were the first to ditch serial ports in favor of USB! Good luck with that software keyboard by the way.

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3)  Why doesn't it work as well as a game machine?  There's no such thing as an "iTouch".  

Because I don't know what it is. Is it a portable system? Is it a home system? Will it get real games? Yeah, real games. By that I don't mean stuff that will last as long as the novelty lasts.

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I know you told us at the end that you were ignorant, but why post at all?

I was looking for someone who could prove me wrong. You certainly didn't help. I still can't see how the device fares better than anything else I mentioned on my first post.

It tries to be a lot but, ultimately, in the eyes of a possible buyer like me, it fails. Sure, I never used one, but given the pros and the cons which any potential buyer looks at beforehand, there's nothing here that'd make me want to spend my money.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 11:43:12 am
Quote from: "Orta"
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
1)  Why doesn't it work as a book reader?  The iBooks application is better than Kindle (It's in color, and you can change the fonts and text size), but if you still like the Kindle, there's an Amazon Kindle App for the iPad.  

Battery, having to stare at a computer screen to read. These screens hurt my eyes. The battery lasts 10 hours, but that's not enough when you're away from home. If I was to use this as a book reader I wouldn't want to be stuck to a wall.

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2)  The dock port is USB, just proprietary.  There is a both a software and hardware wireless Keyboard (http://http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC184LL/A?fnode=MTc0MjU4OTY&mco=MTc0MjU1NzU), or Keyboard dock (http://http://store.apple.com/us/product/IPAD_KBDOCK?mco=MTc0MjU1NTI).  

Which means, "pay a load of money to Apple to be able to use a USB port". Why not put a regular port instead? Why can't I shove a USB memory stick in one of those things so I can copy a few photos my friend wants to give me? I have to carry some adapter around? To think Apple were the first to ditch serial ports in favor of USB! Good luck with that software keyboard by the way.

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3)  Why doesn't it work as well as a game machine?  There's no such thing as an "iTouch".  

Because I don't know what it is. Is it a portable system? Is it a home system? Will it get real games? Yeah, real games. By that I don't mean stuff that will last as long as the novelty lasts.

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I know you told us at the end that you were ignorant, but why post at all?

I was looking for someone who could prove me wrong. You certainly didn't help. I still can't see how the device fares better than anything else I mentioned on my first post.

It tries to be a lot but, ultimately, in the eyes of a possible buyer like me, it fails. Sure, I never used one, but given the pros and the cons which any potential buyer looks at beforehand, there's nothing here that'd make me want to spend my money.

I would try reading something on it before you dismiss it because it's a "computer screen".  I also find it hard to believe that you would read for 10 hours straight, then rather than taking a break while it charges, you would keep reading while it's plugged in.  How long does the Kindle battery last?  I assume it's much longer, since you think 10 hours is way too short.  

The card reader adapter is really small.  None of my computers at home or work have built in card readers, but my TV and one of my printers do.  I don't really care either way.  The adapter is $29.00.  If that's a load of money, then I feel sorry for you.

Nice how you glossed right over the fact that you can buy an Apple wireless keyboard, the same one they sell for Macs.  If you don't like that there's a Keyboard Dock.  So far since the speculation about the iPad, the biggest complaint is that there's no keyboard.  I never thought I would see someone use that argument after it has been proven false.  Way to go!  

Gaming - It's definitely a portable system.  What it can do is pretty cool, but I would prefer a hardware interface for my games.  on the iPhone Apple has allowed developers to build things for the dock port.  I keep waiting for a controller, but so far no one has been brave enough to build one.  I think I mostly agree with you there.  I don't know that anyone buys it for gaming only, though.

Here's an article about the 25 Best Launch games (http://http://www.maclife.com/article/feature/best_25_ipad_launch_games).  They look pretty good, and "real" to me.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 11:50:45 am
I was going to reply. Then I came across this.

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It has a custom A4 chip and actually runs full computer-like applications Keynote, Numbers and Pages (Think Apple's version of Powerpoint, Excel and Word).

I'm not going to argue with salesmen. Sorry.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 12:08:24 pm
Quote from: "Orta"
I was going to reply. Then I came across this.

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It has a custom A4 chip and actually runs full computer-like applications Keynote, Numbers and Pages (Think Apple's version of Powerpoint, Excel and Word).

I'm not going to argue with salesmen. Sorry.  

What a cop-out.  I'm not a salesman.  I don't give a rip if you buy it or not.  The chip was designed by Apple, not intel or IBM, like on Macs, so the software and hardware were built to work together.  That's the limit of my knowledge on the subject.  Please don't buy an iPad, Orta.  You can't even afford a $29.00 adapter anyway.  If I was a salesman,  would walk right past you.  I just don't like waking up in the morning and being told I'm a "complete moron".  Past that, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about the iPad, unless you are misleading people with poor fact-checking.

I just came across this:


Quote from: "orta"
I was looking for someone who could prove me wrong.

Really, on a thread titled "iPad: Who gives a shit?".  You're preaching to the choir on this hate-thread.  If you really wanted to be convinced, you would go somewhere where people know something about it.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 05, 2010, 12:13:09 pm
I hope the jailbreak iPad brings in some functions I want. Though at the moment, the iPad does not work for me as a computing device. I hope they bring out a touchscreen laptop. That would rock, especially with 3G.

I like the idea of 3G on a mobile device that is not a phone.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 12:18:13 pm
Quote from: "George"
I hope the jailbreak iPad brings in some functions I want. Though at the moment, the iPad does not work for me as a computing device. I hope they bring out a touchscreen laptop. That would rock, especially with 3G.

I like the idea of 3G on a mobile device that is not a phone.

Jailbreaking is not as big a deal on the iPad.  I think with the iPhone they are worried about people hacking into their AT&T service somehow.  I personally wouldn't do it, because any software update can turn the device into a paperweight.  Braver people out there can.  

I also think that more functionality will come with more apps for it.  There may not be a way right now for people to sign PDFs with a stylus, for example, but I am expecting someone will create something.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 12:29:19 pm
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
What a cop-out.  I'm not a salesman.  I don't give a rip if you buy it or not.  The chip was designed by Apple, not intel or IBM, like on Macs, so the software and hardware were built to work together.

"Custom A4 chip"... Great. Do you know how it works? Do you know anything about computer architecture and how it'll improve your daily life? Aren't we discussing the devices' features? But yeah, sure, cool, it has a "custom A4 chip" and you're not a salesman...

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That's the limit of my knowledge on the subject.  Please don't buy an iPad, Orta.  You can't even afford a $29.00 adapter anyway.

Wow... Now you're being arrogant. Seriously, don't be hurt. It's just a machine. There is no reason for it not to include a USB port. By the way, $29 usually translates to €29 for me. This, at the current exchange rate, is around $39. A USB port doesn't even come close $5. Even game consoles have them. If I pay $500 (or rather €500) for something sold as a netbook I'm expecting, at the very least, a simple USB port.

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 If I was a salesman,  would walk right past you.  I just don't like waking up in the morning and being told I'm a "complete moron".

Where did I call you a complete moron? Actually, where did I insult anyone?

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 Past that, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about the iPad, unless you are misleading people with poor fact-checking.

I just came across this:

Quote from: "orta"
I was looking for someone who could prove me wrong.

Really, on a thread titled "iPad: Who gives a shit?".  You're preaching to the choir on this hate-thread.  If you really wanted to be convinced, you would go somewhere where people know something about it.

Where did I "hate" your hearted device? I merely pointed things against getting one. Those are my reasons as you have yours for buying one. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the matter. What you said, what I cared to read (right until that "custom chip" pitch) wasn't convincing at all.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 12:42:38 pm
Quote from: "Orta"
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
What a cop-out.  I'm not a salesman.  I don't give a rip if you buy it or not.  The chip was designed by Apple, not intel or IBM, like on Macs, so the software and hardware were built to work together.

"Custom A4 chip"... Great. Do you know how it works? Do you know anything about computer architecture and how it'll improve your daily life? Aren't we discussing the devices' features? But yeah, sure, cool, it has a "custom A4 chip" and you're not a salesman...

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That's the limit of my knowledge on the subject.  Please don't buy an iPad, Orta.  You can't even afford a $29.00 adapter anyway.

Wow... Now you're being arrogant. Seriously, don't be hurt. It's just a machine. There is no reason for it not to include a USB port. By the way, $29 usually translates to €29 for me. This, at the current exchange rate, is around $39. A USB port doesn't even come close $5. Even game consoles have them. If I pay $500 (or rather €500) for something sold as a netbook I'm expecting, at the very least, a simple USB port.

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 If I was a salesman,  would walk right past you.  I just don't like waking up in the morning and being told I'm a "complete moron".

Where did I call you a complete moron? Actually, where did I insult anyone?

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 Past that, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about the iPad, unless you are misleading people with poor fact-checking.

I just came across this:

Quote from: "orta"
I was looking for someone who could prove me wrong.

Really, on a thread titled "iPad: Who gives a shit?".  You're preaching to the choir on this hate-thread.  If you really wanted to be convinced, you would go somewhere where people know something about it.

Where did I "hate" your hearted device? I merely pointed things against getting one. Those are my reasons as you have yours for buying one. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the matter. What you said, what I cared to read (right until that "custom chip" pitch) wasn't convincing at all.

It's more arrogant to assume that I care whether you buy one or not.  I am defending my position and the reason I bought one.  You didn't call me a moron, fluffy did.  My point was not that it's a multi-purpose chip that the rest of the device was built around, it was built for the device only.  I already said that's as much as I know about it.  How can you, in one breath, say that I am unconvincing and I don't know what I'm talking about, and then say that I seem knowledgeable.  Pick one.  And you keep harping on this salesman thing.  We get it.  You needed a reason to stop reading because I pointed out the fact that you said it doesn't have a keyboard.  I see that on threads all the time.  When someone gets their mistakes pointed out, they say, "I stopped reading after...  or I stopped reading because..."  It's a tired and transparent excuse to not have to respond when your mistakes get pointed out.

Stop calling me a salesman.  That's where you insult me, and try to bring yourself up.  You think you are so great that it will somehow be important if I can convince the great Orta to buy one.  Get over yourself.  Like I said before, don't buy one.  I really don't want you to.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 12:52:36 pm
iPad; SErious business
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 05, 2010, 12:57:22 pm
jesus, the internet really raises my blood pressure. Couple Sonic 4 with iPad debates and I'm likely to be dead by 30.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 12:58:06 pm
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
jesus, the internet really raises my blood pressure. Couple Sonic 4 with iPad debates and I'm likely to be dead by 30.

lmao, well.  Try to avoid those arguments then.  That's really all you can do.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 12:59:34 pm
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You needed a reason to stop reading because I pointed out the fact that you said it doesn't have a keyboard.

I never said this. I pointed the keyboard fact because you're limited to the software keyboard. If you're going to work for a while software keyboards don't work. I knew you could get an external one. But if you have to buy extra, what's the point of Apple selling me the device as a netbook?

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I see that on threads all the time. When someone gets their mistakes pointed out, they say, "I stopped reading after... or I stopped reading because..." It's a tired and transparent excuse to not have to respond when your mistakes get pointed out.

I read everything to that point and nothing you told me was helpful. When I point out the fact the device doesn't have a USB port you tell me I'm poor and that I shouldn't ever buy the iPad! It looks like I'm not worthy enough!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I'll stop calling you a salesman but, please, stop putting words in my mouth to prove your arguments... Yawn

Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
jesus, the internet really raises my blood pressure. Couple Sonic 4 with iPad debates and I'm likely to be dead by 30.

Except there are people praising and who like the iPad. Poor Sonic, everybody hates him.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 05, 2010, 01:01:06 pm
Sonic 4 on the iPad will lead to insta-heart attack.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 01:01:54 pm
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Sonic 4 on the iPad will lead to insta-heart attack.

It's more like a blackhole, the internet imploding and shit. But that'll do.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 01:03:01 pm
For those of you who hate the ipad;

here is your apple free technology RSS feed

http://www.engadget.com/exclude/Apple/ (http://www.engadget.com/exclude/Apple/)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 05, 2010, 01:08:38 pm
I think USB support is a rather odd complaint about the iPad. Yes, it would be nice, but it doesn't really hurt the device. It's clearly not a laptop, it's a big iPod. Even if USB was supported, I'm sure Apple would but a cap on device memory. Last thing Apple wants is for people to buy the lowest internal storage possible, and then tack on a cheap USB card that gives super storage space.

Oh, and Sonic 4 rules, I really enjoy SASAR, I voted Obama and I'm pro-health care reform! Deal with it, internet!!!
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 05, 2010, 01:50:47 pm
The device is not mean't to be 'worked on for hours' for serious business. Lets be honest, neither are netbooks. 10 inch screen? Small keyboard? Shoot, I can't really type on a laptop keyboard, its just too weird. I need a desktop keyboard with a decent monitor. That is another issue with most laptop screens, you move like 1 cm to the right or down and the screen looks horrible.

OK this is not a complain about laptops in general thread, but I just want functions like multitask and actual flash support. Tons of sites use flash,would be awesome to have. HTML5 works, but its barely taking off.

I also voted Obama, watcha gonna do about it?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 02:10:02 pm
Quote from: "orta"
I never said this. I pointed the keyboard fact because you're limited to the software keyboard. If you're going to work for a while software keyboards don't work. I knew you could get an external one. But if you have to buy extra, what's the point of Apple selling me the device as a netbook?

That's not what you said.  Your post implied that there was no keyboard available.  "Hello, Keyboard?" (or whatever you said)

Apple has never said it was a netbook, or called it one.  This is like saying it's a terrible skateboard because it doesn't even have wheels.  I bought the Keyboard Dock for if I'm going to be doing a lot of typing, but I think the 3 other computers I own will serve that purpose most of the time.   Apple won't make a small mobile device with a built-in hardware keyboard.  No one should have hoped for that.  Still, I'm going to give the software keyboard a chance.

Quote from: "snorta"
I read everything to that point and nothing you told me was helpful. When I point out the fact the device doesn't have a USB port you tell me I'm poor and that I shouldn't ever buy the iPad! It looks like I'm not worthy enough!

That's not exactly how it went.  I thought it was funny that you called $29.00 a heap of money, or whatever you said.  I said "don't buy an iPad" because you insist that I want to sell you one.  I said don't buy one because you obviously don't want it!  Duh....

What words did I put in your mouth?  

Hyporcisy

1)  You weren't going to argue with me because I'm a "salesman" but you continue to do it. It's the easiest escape in the world to tell you that I didn't read your post because of  some little thing you wrote.  It's like ignoring everything you say and calling you wrong because of a spelling error.  It's disrespectful.  If you aren't going to read it, don't respond to it.  I don't call you out because of one word or phrase, and I have the courtesy to read everything you wrote to me.  I could also say, "I don't respond to a fictional 15 year old girl from an XBOX game."  Anyway, If you want me to start dissecting your posts the way you did mine, and only responding to the weakest parts I will.  If that's how you want to be treated, keep doing it to other people.

2)  You called me knowledgeable, and unconvincing and unhelpful.

3)   You called me a salesman, then point out that I tell you not to buy one.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 02:20:45 pm
Quote from: "George"
The device is not mean't to be 'worked on for hours' for serious business. Lets be honest, neither are netbooks. 10 inch screen? Small keyboard? Shoot, I can't really type on a laptop keyboard, its just too weird. I need a desktop keyboard with a decent monitor. That is another issue with most laptop screens, you move like 1 cm to the right or down and the screen looks horrible.

OK this is not a complain about laptops in general thread, but I just want functions like multitask and actual flash support. Tons of sites use flash,would be awesome to have. HTML5 works, but its barely taking off.

I also voted Obama, watcha gonna do about it?

Sorry for the double post, but mine have been getting too long.  I agree with you, George.  Even on my laptop I have a full keyboard plugged into it.  As for Flash Support.  It looks like Apple is trying to force the change.  They say Flash would eat a ton of battery life if it was on the iPhone.  They want the world to move on to HTML 5.  I don't know if it will happen, and I think for right now yours is a legitimate gripe.  Apple has never had problems with this type of growing pains, where the Windows PC world likes to ease into changes instead of making violent, swift adjustments like Apple does.  I don't judge either philosophy, but I've hitched my wagon to Apple, so I'm along for the ride.  

I voted for Obama too.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 02:24:53 pm
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Quote from: "orta"
I never said this. I pointed the keyboard fact because you're limited to the software keyboard. If you're going to work for a while software keyboards don't work. I knew you could get an external one. But if you have to buy extra, what's the point of Apple selling me the device as a netbook?

That's not what you said.  Your post implied that there was no keyboard available.  "Hello, Keyboard?" (or whatever you said)

Apple has never said it was a netbook, or called it one.  This is like saying it's a terrible skateboard because it doesn't even have wheels.  I bought the Keyboard Dock for if I'm going to be doing a lot of typing, but I think the 3 other computers I own will serve that purpose most of the time.   Apple won't make a small mobile device with a built-in hardware keyboard.  No one should have hoped for that.  Still, I'm going to give the software keyboard a chance.

Quote from: "snorta"
I read everything to that point and nothing you told me was helpful. When I point out the fact the device doesn't have a USB port you tell me I'm poor and that I shouldn't ever buy the iPad! It looks like I'm not worthy enough!

That's not exactly how it went.  I thought it was funny that you called $29.00 a heap of money, or whatever you said.  I said "don't buy an iPad" because you insist that I want to sell you one.  I said don't buy one because you obviously don't want it!  Duh....

What words did I put in your mouth?  

Hyporcisy

1)  You weren't going to argue with me because I'm a "salesman" but you continue to do it. It's the easiest escape in the world to tell you that I didn't read your post because of  some little thing you wrote.  It's like ignoring everything you say and calling you wrong because of a spelling error.  It's disrespectful.  If you aren't going to read it, don't respond to it.  I don't call you out because of one word or phrase, and I have the courtesy to read everything you wrote to me.  I could also say, "I don't respond to a fictional 15 year old girl from an XBOX game."  Anyway, If you want me to start dissecting your posts the way you did mine, and only responding to the weakest parts I will.  If that's how you want to be treated, keep doing it to other people.

2)  You called me knowledgeable, and unconvincing and unhelpful.

3)   You called me a salesman, then point out that I tell you not to buy one.

Keep at it! You're entertaining! I'm going to go to a Nintendo forum now, and argue with my contrary opinion to theirs! You really have a soft spot for Apple. :lol: Yeah, I'm calling you a fanboy now. Hey George, ban me.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 02:31:11 pm
Saw this image on the PSU forums, the ground is Orta

(http://http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww152/mitraark/BanHammer.gif)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 02:34:40 pm
Quote from: "orta"
Keep at it! You're entertaining! I'm going to go to a Nintendo forum now, and argue with my contrary opinion to theirs! You really have a soft spot for Apple. :lol: Yeah, I'm calling you a fanboy now. Hey George, ban me.

No need to blow a gasket.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 03:23:12 pm
I'm not worthy of the mighty pad. :cry:
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 03:37:24 pm
Quote from: "Orta"
I'm not worthy of the mighty pad. :cry:

the iGod
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Autosaver on April 05, 2010, 03:43:52 pm
You have to download Itunes and bring your Ipad home to even turn it on.

XD

Oh.. don't spend money on this crap. Get the 3G version for $599!
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 05, 2010, 05:40:17 pm
Quote from: "Orta"
Keep at it! You're entertaining! I'm going to go to a Nintendo forum now, and argue with my contrary opinion to theirs! You really have a soft spot for Apple. :lol: Yeah, I'm calling you a fanboy now. Hey George, ban me.
No way I will be banning someone for having a differing opinon, I like that in a community. That is why I'm very happy to have you and AND Emmet. It would have been really boring if the thread had all of us clinging shit at the iPad for 2 pages.

Just don't take it personally, either of you. If you think you guys are getting heated, take a short break and don't respond. Last thing you want to do is say something you will regret. It is just a computing device.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 05:47:02 pm
Quote from: "Autosaver"
You have to download Itunes and bring your Ipad home to even turn it on.

XD

Oh.. don't spend money on this crap. Get the 3G version for $599!

I got the 64MB 3G version, so I'm still waiting for mine to come in the mail.  On the plus side, I get the case and the VGA adapter tomorrow.  Weeeeeee!  I didn't know you can't turn it on until you plug it in.  That's weird, but certainly not a deal breaker.  I'm glad mine's coming in the mail.  All those people that want to play with it in the car on the way home...  Too bad.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 05:48:48 pm
Quote from: "Orta"
I'm not worthy of the mighty pad. :cry:

I stopped reading after the period at the end of the sentence.  That's right, I didn't read your frowny face!
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 05:55:44 pm
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Quote from: "Autosaver"
You have to download Itunes and bring your Ipad home to even turn it on.

XD

Oh.. don't spend money on this crap. Get the 3G version for $599!

I got the 64MB 3G version, so I'm still waiting for mine to come in the mail.  On the plus side, I get the case and the VGA adapter tomorrow.  Weeeeeee!  I didn't know you can't turn it on until you plug it in.  That's weird, but certainly not a deal breaker.  I'm glad mine's coming in the mail.  All those people that want to play with it in the car on the way home...  Too bad.

That's pretty bad for 600 dollars
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 05, 2010, 06:02:46 pm
Quote from: "ShadiWulf"
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Quote from: "Autosaver"
You have to download Itunes and bring your Ipad home to even turn it on.

XD

Oh.. don't spend money on this crap. Get the 3G version for $599!

I got the 64MB 3G version, so I'm still waiting for mine to come in the mail.  On the plus side, I get the case and the VGA adapter tomorrow.  Weeeeeee!  I didn't know you can't turn it on until you plug it in.  That's weird, but certainly not a deal breaker.  I'm glad mine's coming in the mail.  All those people that want to play with it in the car on the way home...  Too bad.

That's pretty bad for 600 dollars
Eee PC users paid 400 for 4gb of space and no one gave them crap. It is for the 3G version. Do I think they should charge so much for the '3G difference' ? No. But honestly, I think all laptops should have 3G built in.

Though the extra cost makes sense sorta, it costs about $99 dollars + 2 year contract to get a 3G adapter for a laptop. This has it build in for a $50 more, no contract.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 06:04:22 pm
Quote from: "George"
Quote from: "ShadiWulf"
That's pretty bad for 600 dollars
Eee PC users paid 400 for 4gb of space and no one gave them crap. It is for the 3G version. Do I think they should charge so much for the '3G difference' ? No. But honestly, I think all laptops should have 3G built in.

Though the extra cost makes sense sorta, it costs about $99 dollars + 2 year contract to get a 3G adapter for a laptop. This has it build in for a $50 more, no contract.

I don't think you noticed what exactly i bolded >.> look again
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 06:06:40 pm
The 3G billing is through AT&T and it's 15.99 (250MB) per month on a Month-to-month basis.  So you turn it on or off.  It's more for the unlimited.

Good catch Shadi.  I'm still stuck in the olden days.  My PC Jr. Didn't have a hard drive, and I had an external HD for my Amiga 500 with 52MB on it.   :shock:
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 05, 2010, 06:13:47 pm
Quote from: "ShadiWulf"
Quote from: "George"
Quote from: "ShadiWulf"
That's pretty bad for 600 dollars
Eee PC users paid 400 for 4gb of space and no one gave them crap. It is for the 3G version. Do I think they should charge so much for the '3G difference' ? No. But honestly, I think all laptops should have 3G built in.

Though the extra cost makes sense sorta, it costs about $99 dollars + 2 year contract to get a 3G adapter for a laptop. This has it build in for a $50 more, no contract.

I don't think you noticed what exactly i bolded >.> look again
Yes, but he bought a version with extra cost due to 3G. So you have to take that into factor for the price he paid. 64gb may seem like a 'little bit' of memory, but its not suppose to be a 'computer replacement' this is suppose to be a "netbook" of sort.

PC lite, to take out with you and browse the web, read some books. Have a couple of movies. Just how iPod is not suppose to be a home theater replacement, etc.

It is like going up to a person with a 100,000 dollar car and pointing out that the rims are not some expensive brand, then laughing at him.

Though for me, personally, the iPad's price is too expensive for what it does. It is not as functional as a netbook to me yet and I would like to see a netbook from apple that runs on OSX and has a touch screen. I know there is a market for this product, but I'm not that market at all.

(AT&T unlimited 3G plan is $29.99. Would be nice if you could use your phone 3G with the iPad. I do not like paying DOUBLE to access 3G :( )
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 06:15:03 pm
IT SAYS 64MB!!!!! not GB!!!
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on April 05, 2010, 06:25:48 pm
Oh, I missed the typo. Now I ranted for nothing.  :oops:
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 06:26:59 pm
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
I got the 64MB 3G version, so I'm still waiting for mine to come in the mail.  On the plus side, I get the case and the VGA adapter tomorrow.  Weeeeeee!  I didn't know you can't turn it on until you plug it in.  That's weird, but certainly not a deal breaker.  I'm glad mine's coming in the mail.  All those people that want to play with it in the car on the way home...  Too bad.

The Slashdot review says you can use it right away:

Quote
It is usable out of the box without any syncing, but I chose almost immediately to pair it with my laptop just to get all my apps and data on it.

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/04/0 ... w?from=rss (http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/04/05/1544234/iPad-Review?from=rss)

Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
I stopped reading after the period at the end of the sentence.  That's right, I didn't read your frowny face!

He's crying. :|
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 06:39:29 pm
That's what I thought too (that you could turn it on and start playing with it).  

And that's what I get for not reading to the end...

You want to buy an iPad?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 07:17:24 pm
Orta will love this video

[youtube:2mpiqlr3]lAl28d6tbko[/youtube:2mpiqlr3]
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 05, 2010, 07:38:32 pm
Actually, it isn't funny at all. I remember seeing some of his old videos too. I can't see how destroying hundreds of dollars worth of electronics with a blender is funny.

Sledgehammers are way more satisfying.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Sega Uranus on April 05, 2010, 08:37:03 pm
I think the reasons Emmett gave on him purchasing the iPad are good. I have no counterargument here. I think while he may not actually need it, the device comes in very handy for him. Orta clearly does not need one as he has a bakery or something. Most of the users here do not have jobs that are as demanding as Emmett's, either.

Of course, we live in a world where people are questioned for buying one of their favorite games again for $5 when said person can already play it on two other platforms that are already in the same room... Okay, well that was not a good example, but OKAY!
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 08:47:52 pm
Quote from: "Sega Uranus"
I think the reasons Emmett gave on him purchasing the iPad are good. I have no counterargument here. I think while he may not actually need it, the device comes in very handy for him. Orta clearly does not need one as he has a bakery or something. Most of the users here do not have jobs that are as demanding as Emmett's, either.

Of course, we live in a world where people are questioned for buying one of their favorite games again for $5 when said person can already play it on two other platforms that are already in the same room... Okay, well that was not a good example, but OKAY!

Thanks Sanus.  

But now we can get achievements for that same game, and show off that we are a fan to our non-Sega friends.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 05, 2010, 08:49:34 pm
Quote from: "ShadiWulf"
Orta will love this video

[youtube:whtv963n]lAl28d6tbko[/youtube:whtv963n]

We have a heated debate about whether the device is worth what they are asking, and some jerk puts one in a blender.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MadeManG74 on April 05, 2010, 09:03:48 pm
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Thanks Sanus.  

But now we can get achievements for that same game, and show off that we are a fan to our non-Sega friends.

Well actually,  I think he's referring to when he bought Sonic 2 on Wii, when he already had it on XBox 360. The Virtual Console version is bascially just a ROM without any of the features the 360 version already had.

It's not so bad, but he also goes on about how money is tight and he has to be careful what he buys etc, so I thought speinding money on an inferior copy of a game he already owns multiple times was a strange move.



More importantly, I need to get one of those blenders, that shit was impressive.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 05, 2010, 09:13:58 pm
The dude blends everything, he works for that company lol.

[youtube:1kl0qic8]zxa_64EOmFI[/youtube:1kl0qic8]
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MadeManG74 on April 05, 2010, 09:19:49 pm
Quote from: "ShadiWulf"
The dude blends everything, he works for that company lol.
Yeah I could tell it was an ad/viral marketing thing in some form, but I've never actually watched one of these vids before. I was surprised it could mulch that Ipad so well.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 06, 2010, 05:12:24 am
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
More importantly, I need to get one of those blenders, that shit was impressive.

I think they removed the aluminium from the back of the iPad. He bent it really easily. Either that or he is the Superman who has a superblender.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 23, 2010, 10:33:44 am
My 3G iPad arrives in 7 days!  I'm going to take a couple hours off of work so I can sign for it when the FedEx guy arrives.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on April 23, 2010, 03:27:28 pm
I thought you had yours already?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 23, 2010, 04:39:52 pm
April 30th is the 3G model.  I have all the peripherals already, but they don't do me much good.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on April 23, 2010, 06:37:26 pm
Is the 3G really worth it for a guy like me that has access points all over the place?
And does the non 3G version have GPS?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 23, 2010, 11:40:46 pm
It's worth it for me, because I travel a lot.  I have access points at home and work, and my dad's house.  SO I may not be using the 3G a ton.  I think it's worth it, because you may find yourself somewhere where you wish you could use the apps that connect to the internet.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Monkeroony on April 25, 2010, 11:18:24 am
Oooh, you'll have to post some impressions!

I have saved up about a third of my car fund but that could turn into an iPad if I get excited (or a new macbook pro in August if I give up on car ownership)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on April 25, 2010, 01:57:36 pm
And I still have to check out the new iPhone 4 coming out in the Summer. I'll get that or an iPad.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Monkeroony on April 25, 2010, 05:03:28 pm
oh yeah, my iphone 3g contract ended ages ago.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on April 26, 2010, 02:05:10 am
Thanks Monkerooney, I will do that.  

It's confusing they keep calling the new iPhone 4G (unofficially).  I think because it's 4th generation, not because it's going to use a 4G network.  I've also heard it called iPhone HD.  I don't know how Gizmodo figured out it's resolution from looking at the screen telling you to plug the phone in to iTunes.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on April 26, 2010, 10:28:04 am
They dissembled the phone, maybe there was some description in the screen or something? I dunno :/
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 01, 2010, 10:53:57 am
So I've got my iPad now.  SO far it's been great.  My only complaint is with my photo library.  It's corrupted somehow, so it can't get on iPods, iPhones, and now the iPad.  Also, it can be a little awkward to type on it when it's in your lap.  If it gets too flat the screen might flip around upside-down.  I've heard there is an orientation lock, but I haven't spent too much time looking for it yet.  

Watching video is great.  The email client is much nicer than the one on the iPhone, and the contacts and calender Apps are amazing.  They are already synced with my home and 2 work computers.  

Since I stayed home from work in anticipation of it's arrival, I haven't set up the 3G MTM plan yet.  I'll wait until the first time I need it.  I've also downloaded a ton of books on iBooks, but I haven't read anything yet.  I read somewhere that the light the screen gives off will keep you awake at night, because it's like daylight.  We have midnight sun here, so I don't think that's going to bother me much.  Mostly now I've been organizing my apps, which takes a long time, and testing out all the ones I bought before this thing arrived.  Some were a disappointment, and some were great.  

I started to type this post on the iPad, but I felt more comfortable quoting and finding the techradar review and pasting it in my post on a computer, where I could open a separate window of Safari.  I'm sure I could have found a way to do it on the iPad, but desktop computers still have their place, I suppose.  Also, multi-tasking will come soon enough, and I will get more used to using the iPad more.  

Anyway, that's all I have for now.    


Quote from: "George"
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
The whole thing seems like a bad joke, or Apple proving to the world that their fans will buy anything with the Apple logo on it.
They probably would.

JooJoo seems a ton better. It supports flash and 1080p video.
https://thejoojoo.com/ (https://thejoojoo.com/)

That's a pretty ignorant thing to say.  Everyone's stupid except George and MadeMan...  Sometimes this forum seems pretty hostile, and I wonder why I come here.  

  When I was in college the cool thing was to tell me I was wasting my money buying a Mac, because the company was going to go out of business, and there are no games for it.  Now the cool thing to say is that Apple fans are mindless idiots who buy things because they are shiny.  Apparently it's not enough to decide for yourself that you don't want to buy Apple's stuff.  You have to say that everyone who does is stupid.  

 Other than the fact that the Joojoo doesn't support 1080p or Flash (not exactly), you post was right-on.  You champion this piece of beeping garbage because it's meant to be some kind of competition for Apple.  When you buy one of these JooJoos for yourself, please give us your review (of course I know you will never buy one).  I also like how the apps are web apps, but they make you download them from a store anyway, so that it acts more like the iPad.  and 4GB storage?   I'll stick with my 64GB iPad.

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-co ... iew-686729 (http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/portable-computing/hands-on-joojoo-tablet-review-686729)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 01, 2010, 02:47:16 pm
Lol that mojo-joojoo computer ipad knockoff thing only lasts 5 hours on Wi-Fi. That's pretty low. It also does nothing better than the iPad does. I don't see how it's "a ton better".

Anyway, what's the problem of Apple fans buying Apple products? Apple products are great. And for most people they do everything that matters out of the box with amazing quality.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on May 01, 2010, 04:45:26 pm
I'm not sure if I've mentioned this already, but my friend bought one of these. :|
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 01, 2010, 07:41:37 pm
Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
Over half a million people are complete morons today, it would seem. Sales estimates I've seen are projected at around 700,000.


Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
I'm not sure if I've mentioned this already, but my friend bought one of these. :|

Did you inform your friend?  How did they take the news?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 01, 2010, 07:46:39 pm
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
Over half a million people are complete morons today, it would seem. Sales estimates I've seen are projected at around 700,000.


Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
I'm not sure if I've mentioned this already, but my friend bought one of these. :|

Did you inform your friend?  How did they take the news?
ouch. Emmett, you crab  :afroman:
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on May 02, 2010, 12:25:05 am
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Did you inform your friend?  How did they take the news?
Yeah, he knows that I'm totally disappointed in him for buying Apple's crap. It's pathetic. I haven't seen him use it for anything other than what appears to be flash games.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 02, 2010, 02:28:05 am
Any fanboy of any product will except and defend horrible shit and therefor are idiots. In my book, if you buy any product do to a label and lie to yourself that you love it, you are an idiotic sheep and most of the people that stood in line for this were probably there because they are fanboys.

Does not mean the product cannot serve a purpose and be loved by a person. If someone buys the product or sees it on TV and thinks that is what they need. Great, I'm glad they found their way they prefer to browse the web, but you don't have to go and make sarcastic jokes about me and Mademan. We never called the buyers stupid. JooJoo or whatever the shit the knock off is sucks, I saw a review, I did say it 'looked' good, but it does not deliver on its paper promises making it shit.

You can go ahead and like a company and their products, but if you go around defending their shitty products for the sake of loving that logo on it, then you are a retard. Does not mean you can't like an iPad, there are good features on it, but like I stated pages ago (which we already discussed, all of a sudden you call me out on something) is that its not for me and its too much of a 'ipad' and not 'laptop touch tablet' like I wish it was.

Again, what Mademan said, I agree with. Apple loyalist are the worse. I know, some guy I used to grow up with turned into one. He is the biggest fucking asshole ever. He dresses up like he works at the Apple store, but he doesn't. Of course he has 2 iPads. lol.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 02, 2010, 04:04:33 am
Hey Emmet, don't take it personally, I just don't see the appeal of this product at all. I also think that some people (not you personally) would buy literally anything with Apple on it.

I don't have a problem with you at all, and if you like it that's great, but you explained all the reasons you liked it and what you're getting out of it after I made that post (i think)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 02, 2010, 07:52:44 am
Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Did you inform your friend?  How did they take the news?
Yeah, he knows that I'm totally disappointed in him for buying Apple's crap. It's pathetic. I haven't seen him use it for anything other than what appears to be flash games.

Flash games on an Apple product!? LOLOL*snort*LOLOL!!! If you're going to hate the product, at LEAST know how it works!

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Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on May 02, 2010, 08:02:56 am
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Flash games on an Apple product!? LOLOL*snort*LOLOL!!! If you're going to hate the product, at LEAST know how it works!
I did not say they were actually flash games. Learn to read.

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what appears to be flash games.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 02, 2010, 09:21:16 am
Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Flash games on an Apple product!? LOLOL*snort*LOLOL!!! If you're going to hate the product, at LEAST know how it works!
I did not say they were actually flash games. Learn to read.

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what appears to be flash games.

If you state that they appear to be flash games then I (and probably any other person reading what you wrote) would assume you thought they WERE flash games. They aren't, and I pointed that out to you. It's like looking at a Big Mac and saying "it appears to be a Whopper". It's not.

If you meant "appears to be flash games" as an insult to the iPod game library, then I recommend checking out the awesome games available for the iPod. TouchArcade.com highlights many impressive new and upcoming releases. Despite the hate the iPad is getting here, there's no denying that the app store has many great games.

I think your m.o. on these forums is to piss people off, and you need to quit it or you're not going to have many friends.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 02, 2010, 09:49:12 am
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Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 02, 2010, 09:55:42 am
Steve Jobs made a valid point recently is explaining why flash is not supported on the iPod. Beyond his personal gripes with it, which I do not share, he points out that most flash interfaces are designed for point and click interfaces, which the iPod is not. Even if Flash were supported, the interface would not translate well to the touch interface and would, if anything, cause more work for flash devs who would have to design two versions of a flash interface. One for point and click, one for touch.

I still think it should be supported, but I think that's a valid point.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 02, 2010, 10:32:09 am
Who cares anyway.. Microsoft has already stated that Flash is becoming obsolete, and that the future is HTML5. Like Jobs is trying to tell everyone for ages anyway.

I do not see how touching would be a nuisance for Flash.. I can imagine not all Flash apps working the best, but they would at least run.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on May 02, 2010, 10:38:05 am
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
It's like looking at a Big Mac and saying "it appears to be a Whopper". It's not.
What if the Big Mac looked exactly like a Whopper? I think you get what I mean, here.

I already knew about the whole Adobe vs. Apple fiasco, so yes, it was intended to be an insult to their games.

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If you meant "appears to be flash games" as an insult to the iPod game library, then I recommend checking out the awesome games available for the iPod.
Uh, no thanks. I don't even like handhelds, let alone touch screens for gaming and overpriced Apple devices.

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I think your m.o. on these forums is to piss people off, and you need to quit it or you're not going to have many friends.
You have, on multiple occasions, come out and insulted me, so why should I be friends with you?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 02, 2010, 11:42:42 am
George:  So to sum up, if I do X, I am an idiotic sheep, if I do Y, I am a retard.  Personally, I think your generalization is retarded.  I know all kinds of people that buy things and never figure out how to use it.  

Most people in the world replace their PC when it slows down, due to too much crap running in the task bar, and not enough ram.  It gets a few years old, slows down, and they mistakenly assume it's too slow because it is now obsolete.  Does that make them Microsoft Fanboy idiots?  

They know they want something because everyone is talking about it, or because their friend has one.  It has nothing to do with being fan boys.  Maybe because I'm from a different generation than you, but I hate this hipster language.  It's just empty rhetoric to me.  People are consumers, and they buy crap they don't know how to use, and they don't appreciate what they have.  We also live in a world where people write blogs and don't know how to spell.  Once I saw Gallagher, and after the show people were in line to buy DVDs and get autographs signed.  One lady asked if she could take a picture of him, and he said it was okay.  Then she handed him the camera and asked him how to turn it on.  He went off on how stupid she was, and how she was wasting everyone's time.  That people who buy things should learn how to use them.  

Sorry I called you out on an old post (Mademan too), but really I had just read that Joojoo review, and I wanted to call you out on the fact that you (like a lot of people) assume that Apple products have not substance, the people who buy them are idiots or retards, and there are these secret products out there that are so much better, but only the smart people like you know about them.  That thing was garbage, and you never went back and revised your opinion, you just hoped that nobody would notice.  

Fluffy:  I hope your friends also take inventory of what you buy and judge you based on it.  You will never see me saying everyone who buys an HP computer is a complete moron, even though the only one I ever worked with caught fire.  

People buy things, and if you want to know why, ask them.  I'm sick of defending myself here.  Maybe you know now why I bought it, and maybe Fluffy still thinks I'm a moron, maybe others of you think everyone else that bought one is a moron now except me.  You're missing the point.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on May 02, 2010, 11:58:30 am
Of course people will be judged over this. Like it or not, its sales speak volumes about who's gullible enough to buy into hype, who likes to jump on bandwagons, or who desperately want to be seen as trendy by the things that they buy.

In the case of my friend, however, he makes over $100,000 a year, so I'm sure he doesn't care if he wastes his money on something frivolous that he probably won't use very often.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 02, 2010, 12:23:33 pm
I went into a lot of detail as to why I bought mine, and it has nothing to do with my income, but you could assume the same thing about me, since I make over $100,000 per year.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on May 02, 2010, 12:31:36 pm
Well, I don't know what your reasons are, and I don't care to go back and read about them right now. I only know what his are because I see him almost every day.

I can't imagine him having a ton of practical uses for that thing. Also, what exactly can you do with it that you can't with a laptop or a tablet? Aside from its games, naturally.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 02, 2010, 01:43:20 pm
It's up to you whether it's useful to you or not.  It's a hybrid of the iPod touch and a laptop.  It can do things that a laptop can't do due to the complex touchscreen interface, and it can run more complex applications than an iPod touch, because it has a better processor and more ram (I assume).  There are plenty of things a laptop can do that the iPad can't, but it's mostly software limitations and availability at this point.  It's less versatile in terms of peripherals and customization, but more versatile as a mobile platform.

The contacts and calendar apps for it are the best I have ever seen on any platform, which may be meaningless to a lot of you, but I have over 1200 contacts that sync seamlessly to my computers at work, mine at home, my iPhone and now my iPad.  

 It's an eBook reader, like a Kindle, but with a color, backlit touch screen so you can have stuff like graphic novels and comic books.  

It's a movie player (but no optical drive) with a 10-hour battery (no laptop of mine has ever made it past 2 hours playing a movie).  

It's a tablet where I can present keynote (Apple's answer to Powerpoint) presentations at a person's house without hauling out a laptop.  I can also go through PDF files of things I have scanned, rather than paper.  

It's not a netbook, which is pretty much a hamstrung laptop trying to run the same version of Windows as a regular PC.  

 I've never owned or messed with a tablet, but they are laptops with touch-screens, right?  I assume the principal is similar, with a radically different execution, which for me makes a huge difference.  

That's as summarized as I can put it.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 02, 2010, 03:09:10 pm
The fact that anyone would defend a product by saying "LOL HTML 5" is the future, is mind boggling. It is not the future yet, it COULD be. But that gives the devices no excuses to use flash and HTML 5, it is better for the consumer.

Sadly, some fanboys don't see what is best for the consumer, they just see what Apple supports.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Monkeroony on May 02, 2010, 04:40:01 pm
So I need to earn over $100,000 a year to justify this but I'll still be a moron for buying one?
Well I only earn a bit over $40,000 an apparently flash is mega important for some reason so maybe I shouldn't touch these things.

message sent from my iPhone.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 02, 2010, 04:50:35 pm
I'm more forgiving about lack of flash on a phone, since I hate watching videos from phones. But a laptop replacement (aka what Steve said iPad was) is totally out of the question. you don't have to justify anything, it is your money  and you are allowed to purchase what you want.

I'm personally disappointed that Apple does not allow Flash or I would have most likely gotten one. (What with the update coming fall)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 02, 2010, 04:56:36 pm
Quote from: "George"
The fact that anyone would defend a product by saying "LOL HTML 5" is the future, is mind boggling. It is not the future yet, it COULD be. But that gives the devices no excuses to use flash and HTML 5, it is better for the consumer.

Sadly, some fanboys don't see what is best for the consumer, they just see what Apple supports.
I do not understand your gripe with people that buy Apple products. If these "fanboys" like them, why wouldn't they buy them?
And don't say that they argue on the internet, cause they're not arguing alone.

I buy Apple products mainly because I like their interfaces. I like to have an array of products that all function similarly and are easy to use.

If like me Apple fans think that Apple products are better, why would they not buy Apple products?

Also, one of the triumphs of HTML5 over Flash is that the iPhone/iPad/iPod support it. Whether you like to admit or not, if a large chunk of people like Apple and use Apple products then this should be the target market for the evolution of technology. Hence, shove Flash up Adobe's ass and use HTML5. It is the only way to get to this booming number of people.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on May 02, 2010, 05:07:58 pm
HTML5 (or rather video over HTML5) implies there is a definite decision over the codec to be used. There isn't one yet, two codecs compete: h264 (proprietary) and Ogg Theora (open source). Steve Jobs said he doesn't like Flash because it's not an open technology. H.264 isn't an open standard as well yet Apple support this codec for their HTML5 solution. I can't understand this logic.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 02, 2010, 05:14:48 pm
Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
You have, on multiple occasions, come out and insulted me, so why should I be friends with you?

Please PM me a list of the times I outright insulted you (use "learn to read" as an example). I'd be happy to see what you find to be a personal insult.

And as a mod I am simply telling you to watch it. This is the last I will be talking about this in this thread.

As for the iPad, I agree with George. The iPhone is one thing, but the fact that the iPad is supposed to be a laptop inbetween should give it flash support. I mean, the thing even has the ability to connect to a keyboard and sit upright like a laptop would. I, for one, won't be buying it. However, I'm a big fan of the iPod Touch. :)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 02, 2010, 08:04:11 pm
Quote from: "crackdude"
Quote from: "George"
The fact that anyone would defend a product by saying "LOL HTML 5" is the future, is mind boggling. It is not the future yet, it COULD be. But that gives the devices no excuses to use flash and HTML 5, it is better for the consumer.

Sadly, some fanboys don't see what is best for the consumer, they just see what Apple supports.
I do not understand your gripe with people that buy Apple products. If these "fanboys" like them, why wouldn't they buy them?
And don't say that they argue on the internet, cause they're not arguing alone.

I buy Apple products mainly because I like their interfaces. I like to have an array of products that all function similarly and are easy to use.

If like me Apple fans think that Apple products are better, why would they not buy Apple products?

Also, one of the triumphs of HTML5 over Flash is that the iPhone/iPad/iPod support it. Whether you like to admit or not, if a large chunk of people like Apple and use Apple products then this should be the target market for the evolution of technology. Hence, shove Flash up Adobe's ass and use HTML5. It is the only way to get to this booming number of people.
Flash + HTML5 = best for consumers.

Sorry that I like a choice.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 03, 2010, 04:33:55 pm
Yes, but you end up being a minority. In the end, most everyone doesn't give a shit, that's why those things sell like popsicles. So Apple just does whatever it wants..

It's their way of pushing their own ideals into the market I guess.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 03, 2010, 05:15:26 pm
Minority?

Majority of sites use flash. Minority of people use apple OS's. I guess I'm the majority in actuality.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 03, 2010, 05:32:51 pm
Minority of people use Apple OS's? Just look at the freaking iPhone sales. That's a huge market right there that newer developers want to get a hold on. If Flash doesn't work, they use other stuff (HTML5 for example).
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 03, 2010, 05:56:07 pm
iPhone? Hardly counts. Not many phones support any type of flash. Does not change the war of Flash for adobe at all. Android is getting Flash support soon and Nokia's already got it.

OSX has gotten less than 10% of the market share.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 04, 2010, 02:51:34 am
iPhone OS is a form of OSX.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 04, 2010, 03:29:40 am
Android is a form of Chrome OS. So now it should count to that or the browser count as OS numbers?

Regardless, its childish of a company to have a grudge against someone and say "NO MORE FLASH, EVEN THOUGH TONS OF SITES SUPPORT IT. WE DON'T CARE" then having fans actually rally behind them and say "YES, THIS IS GREAT".

The open debate is not true. the reason that Apple does not support it, is because it won't have control of content via Flash. Meaning, users won't have to buy flash games at the APP store, some site will already have them playable. Its against their restrictive TOS and I don't know why anyone would support restrictions on devices.

- Can a device be good with restrictions?
YES.

- Will I buy a heavy restricted device?
NO.

I think Apple's hardware biggest downfall is Apple themselves. IMO.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 04, 2010, 10:49:11 am
If the "iPhone hardly counts" then what the fuck are you talking about dude? :/

OSX has flash. iPhone OS doesn't.
It's the iPhone and iPad we are talking about here.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 04, 2010, 01:04:41 pm
Quote from: "crackdude"
If the "iPhone hardly counts" then what the fuck are you talking about dude? :/

OSX has flash. iPhone OS doesn't.
It's the iPhone and iPad we are talking about here.

Yeah that argument doesn't make any sense.  You can't say iPhone OS doesn't count, then say it's bad that it doesn't support flash.  George, you do realize it's iPhone OS 3.2 on the iPad, right?

Quote from: "george"
The open debate is not true. the reason that Apple does not support it, is because it won't have control of content via Flash. Meaning, users won't have to buy flash games at the APP store, some site will already have them playable. Its against their restrictive TOS and I don't know why anyone would support restrictions on devices.

You don't get to decide why Apple doesn't support Flash in iPhone OS.  There's a letter from Steve Jobs explaining it.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ (http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 04, 2010, 04:14:12 pm
I said that OSX, iPhone doesn't matter in changing the world to HTML5. In the end of the day they are just screwing consumers.

Again, most of those complaints can be fixed if the user can select to turn flash on. So what if it is not open. Like Apple is ONE to judge. Battery life again, would not matter if its off by default.

Flash 10 does support touch. Most of those complaints are mute, especially when Adobe tried to work with Apple to get it out there, they refused.  

Never thought I would read users that are against having options.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 04, 2010, 04:34:47 pm
Well, cause in reality everyone I know that owns an iPhone never gave a shit about Flash. Neither does the average user. So if developers want to get their product across, they better change their game. That's Apple's business.

And of course the iPhone matters. It's the center piece of our discussion here!
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 04, 2010, 05:29:08 pm
I don't consider myself to be expert enough to know the difference, but George, why is Flash better than HTML 5?  The things I read about it make it seem like a dinosaur by comparison.  

Also, I think you meant moot not "mute."  A mute is someone who can't talk.

And Adobe can try to work with Apple as much as they want, but the scenario they want to avoid is an iPhone system update that invalidates a bunch of applications until Adobe gets off their butts and updates the tool that created them.  Apple's not going to wait for anybody before they update their own software.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 04, 2010, 06:26:18 pm
It is not what is better, its what is used right now. You are talking about what is better, why not have a choice?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on May 04, 2010, 06:44:01 pm
Flash and HTML 5 are very different things. They've been put side by side because of the video aspect of both of them.

Basically, Flash video sucks but it's supported across the board. There isn't an established video codec for HTML 5 but now that even Microsoft is supporting h.264 we may see an end to that discussion soon. HTML 5 is still on its baby steps, Flash has been around for well over a decade.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 04, 2010, 08:15:40 pm
Quote from: "George"
It is not what is better, its what is used right now. You are talking about what is better, why not have a choice?

What's your feeling about the recent system update to the PS3 that takes away the ability to run other OS' like linux?  For me, I don't care because I never bothered to try to do that, but they took away the option.

Apple made a bold move, like when they dumped all their proprietary peripheral ports and said USB is the future.  People were upset, because their printers, mice, keyboards, joysticks, etc. were all worthless on any future machine, but it made the Macintosh world better.  Companies didn't have to worry about making a Mac-only peripheral anymore.  If Mac people didn't buy it, the PC crowd would.  I'm not worried about this change, and I never cared to have flash on my iPhone.  If some video or whatever is that important, I'll go to my Mac and look it up.

Given a choice between a crappy-performing phone and one that doesn't have flash on it, I'll take the latter.  I would rather have Apple dictate the content on my phone and have some quality control, and measurable performance, than a completely open platform where any garbage can get in.  That's not to say that Flash is garbage, but if it effects the performance and battery life, than good riddance.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 04, 2010, 09:00:40 pm
I think its bullshit. I never bothered with it, but if there is a lawsuit, i will pin my fucking name on that shit. I think SONY should be sued for taking away features that people bought with their console.

Apple made a greedy move. Not a bold one. They dumped their proprietary ports? No one used it. Maybe they should have their apple products support Mini USB, then I will be impressed instead of releasing some shitty iPod that only uses Apple headphones.

Given a chance to have a choice between flash or not, you choose not? Of course. Apple says no. Because having the choice of NOT using it (like you are not using it now) would be so tragic. God forbid we are allowed to have free will.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 04, 2010, 09:17:12 pm
Quote from: "George"
I think its bullshit. I never bothered with it, but if there is a lawsuit, i will pin my fucking name on that shit. I think SONY should be sued for taking away features that people bought with their console.

Apple made a greedy move. Not a bold one. They dumped their proprietary ports? No one used it. Maybe they should have their apple products support Mini USB, then I will be impressed instead of releasing some shitty iPod that only uses Apple headphones.

Given a chance to have a choice between flash or not, you choose not? Of course. Apple says no. Because having the choice of NOT using it (like you are not using it now) would be so tragic. God forbid we are allowed to have free will.

What do you mean, no one used it?  No one used printers, mice and keyboards?

What iPod are you talking about?  I've never seen any iPod where you couldn't use any headphones you want.  Now you're just making stuff up.  Your arguments don't make any sense, like you saying the iPhone OS doesn't matter in this argument, and OSX is a small percentage. If it doesn't matter, why do you keep talking about it?

I'm not saying I would rather not have the choice, I'm saying I don't care.  But if it's going to slow down my device and kill the battery, who needs it?  You're trying to make it this philosophical debate, that Apple wants to tell us what we can and can't have on our phones, but I trust them to make a good choice.  The first iPhone OS didn't allow apps at all, but they realized that was a mistake, and fixed it.  What they have done has been really successful.  If this flash thing turns out to be a mistake, I think they will correct it.  It doesn't seem like a mistake to me.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 04, 2010, 10:38:07 pm
I was talking about the iPod shuffle. Did you forget they existed?
"Unlike most other portable audio players, the iPod Shuffle's controls are situated on the packaged headphones. One will be unable to control the device unless they use either Apple headphones designed for the 3rd-generation Shuffle, or third-party headphones or adapters that must be licensed by Apple."

Typical Apple move. It is not 'making stuff up'. Very insulting. Its just a company. Again, we are talking about a product, I said why I have yet to buy it and you and Crackdude are telling me why flash does not  matter and how 'Steve Jobs' is going to 'lead HTML5' to mainstream, because its the better format.

I'm saying that shutting down choice is bad. You are saying its good and support not having choices on your phone.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 05, 2010, 11:13:15 am
I didn't even know that iPod Shuffle existed.  I've never cared for the iPod Shuffle.  I was wrong, you didn't make it up.  

Sorry but it's weird that you used that as an example.  It's a $59.00 jogger's ipod that's meant to be as simple as possible.  Vote with your wallet.  

Why do you keep making arguments that don't make sense, then ignoring us when we point it out.  When I make a mistake, I acknowledge it.  

1)  What do you mean when you say iPhone doesn't matter?  That's what this whole discussion is about!  The iPad runs iPhone OS.  Then you bring up OSX.  Did you actually believe OSX doesn't support flash?

Quote from: "george"
I'm more forgiving about lack of flash on a phone, since I hate watching videos from phones.

Quote from: "george"
Minority?

Majority of sites use flash. Minority of people use apple OS's. I guess I'm the majority in actuality.

Quote from: "george"
iPhone? Hardly counts. Not many phones support any type of flash. Does not change the war of Flash for adobe at all. Android is getting Flash support soon and Nokia's already got it.

OSX has gotten less than 10% of the market share.

2)  What do you mean, no one used it?  You can't say stuff like that and expect us not to call you on it.

 
Quote from: "george"
They dumped their proprietary ports? No one used it. Maybe they should have their apple products support Mini USB...

3)  Why do you tell me what I'm saying without an actual quote?  You even put 'lead HTML5' in quotes like I said it.  Nice propaganda.  

Quote from: "george"
you and Crackdude are telling me why flash does not matter and how 'Steve Jobs' is going to 'lead HTML5' to mainstream, because its the better format.

I'm saying that shutting down choice is bad. You are saying its good and support not having choices on your phone.

Below is what I actually said, if you had bothered to read it.  

Quote from: "emmett the tired of this topic"
Sorry for the double post, but mine have been getting too long. I agree with you, George. Even on my laptop I have a full keyboard plugged into it. As for Flash Support. It looks like Apple is trying to force the change. They say Flash would eat a ton of battery life if it was on the iPhone. They want the world to move on to HTML 5. I don't know if it will happen, and I think for right now yours is a legitimate gripe. Apple has never had problems with this type of growing pains, where the Windows PC world likes to ease into changes instead of making violent, swift adjustments like Apple does. I don't judge either philosophy, but I've hitched my wagon to Apple, so I'm along for the ride.

I voted for Obama too.

Why ready what I actually said, when you can just make it up?  Why read the CEO of Apple's reason for abandoning Flash on mobile platforms, when you already have the George explanation.  

This is just a theory, but suppose they could switch Flash on, and the the phone takes a hit on performance.  Guess how PC magazines and the competitors would benchmark it from then on.  Then people would talk on forums about how slow it is, and how fast the battery dies, and how the Joojoo looks a ton better.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 05, 2010, 12:56:04 pm
I don't know how I can make this as simple as possible to you Emmet. But I will try. You said that 'Steve Job' is supporting HTML5, so its ballsy and he is changing stuff. HTML5 will go ahead and become a standard, not because iphone doesn't support flash, but because over 800 companies are backing HTML with H.264. http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC ... nsees.aspx (http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx)

Thus, I don't think that Apple alone would have 'moved it froward'.

You want to see Ballsy? Mozilla refuses to support H.264 on principle and is backing Theora, even though its the losing side. Apple jumps on a format they own patent for? Whats new.

Sorry if I don't believe Apple worth shit about the battery life issue, they also said it did not support touch screens and there are plenty of videos out there from a few months back proving them wrong.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 05, 2010, 01:09:33 pm
Guys, with all this back and forth you're forgetting the big news of the day: A new Bentley Jones video!!!
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on May 05, 2010, 01:20:47 pm
Person 1: I'm not watching if it's Flash.

Person 2: I'm not watching if it's h.264.

Me: I'm not watching because it's BJ.

:afroman:
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 05, 2010, 01:58:48 pm
Its not that I won't watch it if its h.264. I want the choice of also playing flash content.

BJ is great. New video is amazing.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 05, 2010, 02:27:54 pm
Quote from: "George"
I don't know how I can make this as simple as possible to you Emmet. But I will try. You said that 'Steve Job' is supporting HTML5, so its ballsy and he is changing stuff. HTML5 will go ahead and become a standard, not because iphone doesn't support flash, but because over 800 companies are backing HTML with H.264. http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC ... nsees.aspx (http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx)

Thus, I don't think that Apple alone would have 'moved it froward'.

You want to see Ballsy? Mozilla refuses to support H.264 on principle and is backing Theora, even though its the losing side. Apple jumps on a format they own patent for? Whats new.

Sorry if I don't believe Apple worth shit about the battery life issue, they also said it did not support touch screens and there are plenty of videos out there from a few months back proving them wrong.

You still don't address the specific issues I mentioned.  I even put numbers on them to make it easier for you.  

Why do you put quotes on stuff 'Steve Job', 'moved it froward' and then misspell them?  Is that your way of saying I'm stupid?  Look how dumb Emmett is, when I misquote him, he spells everything wrong!  I also never used the word Ballsy.  

I would say that they make the decision and stick with it on principal, and I explain my understanding of why, and that I personally don't really care or miss it.  I certainly never said apple 'moved it froward'

You say there are videos of touch-screen flash videos.  Fine, whatever.  I've never seen one, and I don't care.  You don't believe Apple about the battery life of their own products...  Apparently you know more about their hardware than they do.  Congratulations.  I get it, you want Apple's mobile devices to have a switch to turn Flash on or off, even though their OS doesn't matter.  You are very demanding about the products you don't buy.  Stick with the Joojoo then.  Post a review on it for us.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on May 05, 2010, 02:32:59 pm
There must/will be alternatives, George.

For instance, I REALLY wanted an iPod Nano. I installed iTunes to see what I was up against, as it's mandatory to use it to transfer content (as far as I know anyway). I started hating iTunes. I really HATE iTunes.

I ended up getting an equivalent player from Sony for less money, more functionality and connectivity on any operating system (it acts like a USB stick). The proprietary port still sucks though. I'm pretty happy with my purchase. The irony is that Evil Dogma makes it.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 05, 2010, 02:52:33 pm
I'm curious, what do you hate about iTunes?  I've heard this before from other people.  I actually paid money for iTunes back when it was shareware, before Apple bought it, it was Cassidy & Greene's Soundjam MP, back in 1999.  It was quite a bit different then, but I've owned every permutation of it.  The only issue I ever had was just getting used to the idea of playlists.  I wanted to find the actual file, in the folder and organizational system that I set up, and play the MP3 file.  Once I learned to let go, that I have better things to do with my time than get OCD with my files, I have enjoyed it.

 I think the current iteration is pretty bloated though.  It could use to be re-written from the ground up.  I've heard the Windows version is faster, because it's not as old.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Orta on May 05, 2010, 03:05:37 pm
What I used was the Windows version. I found it ridiculously slow. I'm a foobar2000 user, that might have something to do with my impression... Which is funny, because iTunes seems to run quite fast (or fluid) on my friends' Macs. The interface felt clumsy, I don't like the concept of a music library at all and the program seemed to force me to do so. I prefer simplicity, when I want to listen to an album I usually look for its directory using the file explorer and then load that album's playlist onto the player. The speed was my main issue though. I understand my computer isn't that new but I wasn't expecting a music player to behave so slowly. Ah well.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 05, 2010, 03:14:23 pm
I'm using Zune software, only cuz i'm lazy to set up Foobar like I used to like it. But  I agree, Foobar is the best media player out there.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 05, 2010, 04:03:25 pm
I use iTunes on my mac. iTunes on PC always screws up everything with me..
It's fast, organized, and I like the automated playlists. I also absolutely LOVE the new Genius playlists!

There are other programs to manage iPods, but I don't like them as much.
Though I think iTunes is needing a reboot.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 05, 2010, 04:10:03 pm
I have too much music for itunes. Wish it had a nicer way of organizing it.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 05, 2010, 06:45:47 pm
When Steve Jobs worked for Atari, he used to be such a filthy hippy that nobody wanted to work with him.

Hench, Flash is good, but I think that Superman is a better hero overall.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 05, 2010, 07:25:34 pm
Who is Hench?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 05, 2010, 08:12:58 pm
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Who is Hench?

That's what ROJM used to say instead of 'Hence' for some reason. It's become a bit of a running gag around here.  :P

I was just trying to lighten the mood a little.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 05, 2010, 11:25:42 pm
Was it him that said he was purposely dumbing down his English because of the Americans that were reading it?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Monkeroony on May 06, 2010, 05:09:02 am
I like iTunes,but then again I have been using it since I got my iPod mini in 2004 so am probably just used to it and have never tried any alternatives.

The only thing I don't like (which is more about the store itself) is that I bought the first season of the Ricky Gervais show audiobook on my iPhone, nwhen my phone was downloading it I lost internet connection at work and the download corrupted.
When I got home I tried to re-download it on my Mac but I was informed that doing so would involve being charged again.

Customer support was great and added a free version to my download queue in iTunes but it shouldn't be so awkward.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Aki-at on May 06, 2010, 06:51:07 am
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
Was it him that said he was purposely dumbing down his English because of the Americans that were reading it?

Yes, yes it was.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 06, 2010, 08:06:17 am
Quote from: "George"
I have too much music for itunes. Wish it had a nicer way of organizing it.

I don't know how many songs you have, but I have about 3000 all organized by Artist, Album, Genre, complete with automated and personalized playlists and Genius.

I never "lose" a song.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 06, 2010, 11:15:54 am
I've got 3889, organized by artist, then Album release date.  I really like the coverflow view.  You have to spend some time making sure they all have covers, though.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 06, 2010, 11:42:10 am
Quote from: "crackdude"
Quote from: "George"
I have too much music for itunes. Wish it had a nicer way of organizing it.

I don't know how many songs you have, but I have about 3000 all organized by Artist, Album, Genre, complete with automated and personalized playlists and Genius.

I never "lose" a song.
I have "over" 60gbs of music.

I don't like how it does not let you organize it via Artist only. I have too many albums to go through each one. It has songs, which is worse. Maybe I'm not used to iTunes, but as a organizer, it needs more choices and options.
(http://http://i44.tinypic.com/eq7702.png)

Cover flow is a nice 'look' but does not make organizing easier. Its just cotton candy.

I have 14,785 files, all organized of course.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 06, 2010, 11:51:19 am
I usually make sure they are well organized in the meta-tags.  Like I don't want compilation albums to get separated, so I fill in the "album artist" category with the name of the album--stuff like that.  You can do it in batches by group-selecting files and pasting in what you want.  I do it with album art often, when iTunes can't find the cover art, or it's something I recorded from a bootleg vinyl.

How did you get so much, is it all your CD's and online purchases?  If they were bit-torrents with bad meta-data, then you would have a rough time organizing them.  If you import them from CDs, iTunes does most of the work, then I just do a little tweaking to make sure they get put where I want them.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 06, 2010, 11:54:11 am
about 40% are cds, 30% digital back up of vinyls and the other 20% are pirating, last 10% are purchasing digitally.

Not too bad.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 06, 2010, 12:22:06 pm
Wow George, that's an impressive amount of music.

I know of ways of overcoming the concerns you're describing, but you probably wouldn't give a shit anyway lol
I do think iTunes is getting old. It definitely needs some more organization options, instead of almost forcing you to do it it's way.

My collection is about 50/50 CDs and torrents, I started it about 2 years ago. I must add that I HATE downloading music. The sound quality is not good enough.
So I don't know if I should get into the whole digital purchasing thing. I can get CD's for a corresponding price.. I do have some 40 bucks in coupons to buy music online. But it's from the Nokia Store. It sounds really lame and I wonder if I can put the songs in my iPod.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 06, 2010, 12:51:21 pm
To get back on topic, I only got to use my iPad for 1 night.  The next day the wireless network function turned gray and stopped working permanently.  There's no Apple Store here, so I brought it in to a local reseller, and they are shipping it off to Apple for Warrantee replacement.  I'm afraid I won't get it back in time for my Washington DC trip (it would have to come back tomorrow).  

I went through Apple's Support forums, and no one else has had this problem.  Some people complain about poor reception, that's it.  The advice I got from other users was terrible.  One told me to drive it over to an Apple Store.  (2000+ miles) Someone else told me to turn off Airplane mode.

 I think I'll get along okay with books, ipod, iPhone, DS and PSP.  My Macbook's battery is no good anymore, so I'll probably just put it in my suitcase.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 06, 2010, 02:16:51 pm
Did you call apple support? They usually help.. That is something strange to happen to your iPad.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 06, 2010, 04:26:02 pm
No, I just took it in to our Mac reseller that also repairs Apple stuff.  of course repairing this thing really means sending it back to Apple and getting me a new one.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 06, 2010, 04:33:52 pm
Apple is really good with exchanging stuff. My brother, out of warranty, took his iphone in to the store and they just gave him a new one when they could not fix it. No questions asked.

They replaced one of my old old ipods too via mail, though it was a battery issue and i heard they were getting sued for it. SO i guess not bad either way.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 06, 2010, 04:45:39 pm
I love how they say that it will take one month to repair, and it always takes exactly 30 days to come back to me.

I've been rather unlucky with iPods. I guess carrying them around every single day for 2 years may have something to do with it. Still, Apple always gets it fixed/replaced so it's great.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 06, 2010, 07:25:40 pm
I turn my iPod on "Manually Manage", then I play the songs from the iPod through the computer at work, even though it is synced at home.  So I play mine sometimes 8 hours per day or more.  It's been a pretty good work horse.  I also back up my documents on it, in addition to a couple of external hard drives.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 06, 2010, 07:45:11 pm
I read that first as 'Manually Massage'. That would be a pretty cool feature.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 07, 2010, 08:15:31 am
Yes, but my malfunctions are always hardware related. I usually have the iPod in my pocket/backpack at all times. So it gets wet/dirty/hit quite often. So 2 years of full functionality actually sounds a rather long time to me.

I'm for 'Manually Massage' on the next iPod.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 07, 2010, 08:34:06 am
Give the iPad a vibrate feature and then slip it under your shirt.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Monkeroony on May 08, 2010, 03:06:07 am
After owning my iPhone for about 4 months, one day I turned it on silent and the button flew off. I took it to o2 and they sent it off to be replaced. Took about 2 weeks if I recall.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Emmett The Crab on May 08, 2010, 03:34:25 am
The replacement is supposed to arrive Monday.  I leave Sunday, though.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Autosaver on May 08, 2010, 05:54:37 pm
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Give the iPad a vibrate feature and then slip it under your shirt.

How about in your zipper?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: George on May 11, 2010, 04:34:44 am
Jobs  saying flash does not support touch/ run well on a phone needs to see this new video or get a Nexus One:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/andr ... -one-vide/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/android-2-2-froyo-and-flash-run-like-butter-on-nexus-one-vide/)
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: Monkeroony on May 11, 2010, 08:01:03 am
Quote from: "Emmett The Crab"
The replacement is supposed to arrive Monday.  I leave Sunday, though.

when will you get it back?
I want one, my girlfriend is VAT registered so I can get it for £335 instead of £430.
I'm certain I'll be waiting for the new iPhone reveal first however.
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: fluffymoochicken on May 11, 2010, 07:35:55 pm
Quote from: "Autosaver"
How about in your zipper?
Who needs that when you could just use the Rez vibrator instead?
Title: Re: iPad: Who gives a shit?
Post by: crackdude on May 12, 2010, 08:01:33 am
Quote from: "fluffymoochicken"
Quote from: "Autosaver"
How about in your zipper?
Who needs that when you could just use the Rez vibrator instead?
"could"?