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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: CrazyT on November 14, 2015, 02:51:46 pm
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So 2 major events happened relating to FF7 this year, and both times they have induced some strong reactions from people in general, but mostly from fans.
It seems to have a major impact on people. Hence one is meant to believe that it must be a really good game. But is it really though? Or is it just nostalgia from kids younger years?
The game has aged terribly when it comes to visuals. I mean just look at this
(http://i.neoseeker.com/screenshots/R2FtZXMvUEMvUm9sZS1QbGF5aW5nL0ZhbnRhc3k=/final_fantasy_vii_image27.jpg)
And yet even that makes me still love the game deeply. I dont know what it is. But I do feel like this is a really good game personally. A very special game. To me it isnt just a special part of my youth, but the overal setting and the main character (cloud) is just really cool. Lets not forget about the adventure aspect. There are few games that make you go through such unique and well orchestrated scenes like ff7 does. I wish I could recommend it to people. But then you hear how it hasnt aged well etc and I get confused lol. I guess maybe you just had to be there at the time? Or maybe not?
What are your experiences with the game? Did the ancouncements of FF7 remake or cloud in smash induce the same reactions from you?
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I own the original Playstation version (and a non-greatest hits version at that), but I've only ever played like an hour and a half of it. I'm not a fan of JRPG's unless they're Mother or Undertale, and FF7 didn't really tickle my fancy. I love the art design and style, but the actual gameplay put me to sleep and the dialogue was the not-fun kind of bad. Maybe it picks up a few hours in, but I just couldn't get invested.
I've spoken to some pretty big Final Fantasy friends and they're pretty bummed about Cloud being in Smash only because they say he's overused and they could've picked a more interesting protagonist (I've heard Cecil and Terra thrown around as suggestions). My main problem is Cloud has nothing to do with Nintendo. At least Snake had a slight presence on their consoles, but FF7 is entirely an iconic Playstation game. If they were going to have FF representation, at least pick one of the (several) games that DID appear on Nintendo platforms...unless the only reason Cloud is in is to promote the FF7 remake, which makes absolutely no sense because I can guarantee you that's not going to be on Wii U.
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FFVII is a fantastic game and i feel most people "choose" to dislike it now because it's the cool thing to do, or they just weren't old enough to recognize the significance of the game in 97'.
Aside from the pretty complex and interesting story, the OST to this game was absolutely fantastic. The gameplay is traditional, so i have no issue with it and always appreciated the Materia System.
I'm a HUGE FF fan, i've beaten all of the originals with the exception of VIII and the more recent 12, just couldn't get into those. I'm pretty psyched to see Cloud in Sm4sh.
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For me, yes. That's not to say it's bad, but I do think it's gained this reputation from adults who were kids at the right age when FF7 was released.
I think the universe it's set in has a very different and unique feel to it, some of the characters are great, but the main story is very hit and miss. Some parts are great and are iconic, but others just felt convoluted and made for the sake of content.
The battle system was okay for the most part, but I hated how you were limited by slots at times. My main issue is the difficulty in the later parts of the game. I get that it's later on and I expect the difficulty to spike, but in this, it felt too much and too frequent with the bosses.
Think FF8 and 10 were the big ones for me.
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One of the most overrated games of all time . Didn't really think it looks as good as some loved to make out and the story for me was rubbish.
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By no means bad, but very overrated.
Not as much as OoT though.
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By no means bad, but very overrated.
Not as much as OoT though.
great post and I agree and both counts. Most of the Zelda games are vastly overrated but not a badly made game.
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I'd say I find that about all Nintendo games really. They're fun and well made, but few actually do much more each iteration. Again, I think nostalgia plays a huge part in this.
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I'd say I find that about all Nintendo games really
Quite a lot for me too. That said Mario IV, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Mario Galaxy 1 and II, Super Metroid are gaming perfection really
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Quite a lot for me too. That said Mario IV, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Mario Galaxy 1 and II, Super Metroid are gaming perfection really
No.
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My best friend in high school, who was a huge SEGA fan, was also a big original Playstation fan. He turned me on to Tenchu and Wipeout, but he dropped the ball on FF7. He really tried to get me into it, but I guess my problem was while the music and graphics were great, and the story was interesting, I wasn't all that invested in the characters and I found the gameplay to be not all that exciting. I guess its because I'm more of an action RPG guy. I loved stuff like PSO and Kingdom Hearts at the time, and Skies of Arcadia (while turn based) had a certain speed and rhythm to its combat. But FF7 just didn't do it for me. I do own the game, and have played around 6 hours of it, but I never could get back into it and complete it.
Oddly, that same friend convinced me to buy FFX and the same thing happened. The graphics were nice and I got into the story, but the gameplay bored me. Guess I'm not a turn based type of guy. Unless they throw something in their that mixes things up.
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My best friend in high school, He turned me on
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I'll tell you the full story in the private forum ;)
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It was mostly poopularized because of the soundtrack. It had an amazing soundtrack. I admit, the graphics were bad, the gameplay was ok. I liked the storyline though. That's why I remember it as being a classic. It still wouldn't really be able to compete with its predecessor. It definitely wouldn't be able to compete with The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time, which is by far the best video game in history.
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It definitely wouldn't be able to compete with The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time, which is by far the best video game in history.
There it is again. It's as if something repeated many times over turns true
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There it is again. It's as if something repeated many times over turns true
*looks in mirror*
...Candyman...Candyman...Candy-ahhh
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Been looking through my old Final Fantasy games lately to see if my opinion has changed. Seems as though there's only been a slight change.
FF6 - couldn't get into it. I think the overcooked story and characters made it difficult for me.
FF7 - great setting and some truly memorable characters combined with a decent - sometimes - great story. Still don't like the difficulty spike nor the materia "slot" system.
FF8 - a very different setup from the others and it stands out because of it. I liked the story of Squall dealing with psychological scares from his past and the junction system. My only two negatives is the draw system and the ending. It wrapped it up fine, but I wish we had just a bit more after the battle.
FF9 - I wasn't a fan of the presentation of this, but it's still good.
FF10 - this is probably my favourite now. It's easy to pick fault with the acting etc now, but few games back then were able to pull something like this off. Each character in the group had a role and a place in the story, and everything was thought out from start to end. My only issue is the sphere system.
FFX-2 - I thought this was unnecessary really. Tidus had returned at the end of FFX despite the departure and FFx-2 seemed to pretend he hadn't. It was an okay game overall and it was nice to see the characters and world again.
FF12 - This is were I lost interestin the series and for good reason. This was truly an awful game for me with characters I couldn't care less about and a world that seemed very thrown together. The combat was ripped straight out of an online MMO. Meh.
FF13 - played it years later and simply got bored of the story not going anywhere.
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Revisiting this thread, I believe FF7 Disc 1 is one of the best gaming experiences of its time.
The other Discs...no so much. The FF7 hype is mostly based on the Midgar section, which is totally legit
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It will be interesting to see how the changes in the remake sit with people. I know one complaint about FF7 Advent Child was how the characters were almost flying around. I didn't mind personally as this is a completely different world to ours and from the word go they're able to bend physics. Heck, you could even just put it down to a spell.
Just finished replaying FF8 and I still don't understand how so many people misinterpreted the ending. I know it's an old game, but spoilers below:
People assume the whole game is a loop, but it really isn't. After Squall and co defeat Ultimecia the world etc moves on like normal. Yes, Ultimecia raises to become the next sorceress, but she also triggers her own downfall by trying to prevent it.
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Way way overrated . The story and cast of chacaters was pretty rubbish and did nothing for me . Lunar 1 and II are so much better its iuntrue
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Just out of curiosity, how do people rank the series? Here's mine:
FF8
FF10
FF7
FF9
FF10-2
FF12
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I like 1, 4, 7, 9, 10, 13
Haven't played 3, 6, 11, 12
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Interesting question
Played most of em of which I liked 5,6,7,9,12.
I'd rank em: 7>5>6>9>12
The ones I hated are 8 and 13.
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I should probably go back and play anything before seven, but I really struggle to play those types of games.
Interesting that you put 9 near the end. I did enjoy it too, but I found the story a bit too convoluted towards the end. Wasn't a fan of the look either.
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I liked 9 and 12 but also seen the likes of Vagrant Story as the better Square RPG . But when it games to RPG's nothing beat GameArts with their Lunar's and the original Grandia, not even Saga was as good as them imo.
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I tend to struggle with pixel art games. I'm sure they're good, but the limited look always puts me off - hence why there's nothing before FF7 on my list.
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I should probably go back and play anything before seven, but I really struggle to play those types of games.
Interesting that you put 9 near the end. I did enjoy it too, but I found the story a bit too convoluted towards the end. Wasn't a fan of the look either.
I'd recommend the more gameplay and less story heavy 5. The pacing for that game is really nice and the music too. It's actually one of the lesser mentioned ones, which I hope isn't a sign that it may be just me lol
I am playing 9 right now btw, and I agree. Loved it to death but havent touched it for a while because of that lol.
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Ohh, I'll take a look. Also just out of interest, why no love for 8? :(
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Because it sucks
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Because it sucks
I do hear it's the game that people either like or just hate. Ah well, different tastes etc.
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To be honest I must be the dumbest person in the world, couldn't even find my way out of the University. But I hated the combat. Story seems ok, but the dialog has too much drama.
A friend of mine really liked it, and showed me the game being properly played.
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Ah, okay. As I said before, it is one of those games that's so different in the series, it doesn't sit well with everyone. The combat was very depended on you junctioning really. Say you were going up against a fire type for example, you could junction the element "fire" so you could absorb it and you could put the element "water" onto your weapon for maximum damage.
There's always been strategy in FF games, but this took it a bit further I think. If you used it effectively, you didn't need to waste time grinding to level x before proceeding to the next boss. Leveling up your GF's (which wasn't too difficult) was more important as they would open new junction slots, refine items into spells etc.
The only downside however, was like most systems in games, people learnt how to exploit it.
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@Tad
8 for me was just a slog from beginning to end. I tried to replay it like 5/6 times so really I gave it a chance. Got to the final boss in my last playthrough and once I got there I didn't really know what I played except for seeing some great cutscenes I guess.
To be more specific. It puts too much emphasis on the (bad) story; a bad combination. Story can sometimes take such a huge segment in the game that you'll be reading lots of nonsense for hours. There's like literally no flow. You're never really playing for a long time; always interrupted. FF games are known for this but ff8 brings it to another level. It was like they understood ff7's succes the wrong way.
And yeah the battling mechanics never clicked with me either. Hearing from people how the junctioning works I feel like i've always played it wrong. It feels now like there's only 1 right way to play, which is hidden among many options. I dunno man it could just be me but im not even the worst at complex mechanics.
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Ah, okay. I can see your points. As I said before, 8 seems to be the one that people either liked or just hated. Personally, I think the story definitely struggled towards the end because of the time constraints the team were under. I don't think it was bad, but I do think it needed a bit more work to help with the flow.
People mistake Squall for an emo, but he really isn't. He's just an introvert person who's very dependable. Teaming him up with Zell was clearly a deliberate move by the team to be the opposite of Squall and for them to bounce of each other as such.
Also, I started playing FF4 for the first time today and it's pretty good so far. There's some odd story moments and it throws you quite quickly into the spells and attacks etc.
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Actually, I take it back about the flow of FF8. Mainly because having played FF4 and hitting a 3rd of the way in, I realised something. Apart perhaps FFX, pretty much all FF games have this moment where the story goes a bit weird.
FF 4 - Cecil brother, moon powers blah, blah
FF7 - Once Cloud falls into the life stream
FF8 - Once you learn about Ultimerica
FF9 - Once Zidane meets Garland
FF12 - from the very beginning (:))
FF 13 - The slow, plodding beginning.
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I see what you mean, and you may be on to something, because I think I may enjoy the games with the least interuptions. Leave story moments be the story moments and spread out. Too many (long) interuptions during gameplay has always been something that I felt ruined my enjoyment, tho I could never put my finger on it back then. All I remember is that ff8 was the biggest offender in this.
Having said that, I think ff4 is a bit overrated. Its not that significant except for the fact that it was the first snes Final fantasy game. I still stand by 5 being the perfect game for me.
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In FFX Yuna almost marries the bad guy for no discernible reason.
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In FFX Yuna almost marries the bad guy for no discernible reason.
If I recall, they were to wed as a sign to the people of spira that humans and Guado can get along as both were figureheads of two very divided races. Yuna agreed at the start to help relations as Seymour agreed nothing afterwards would change between the two. Yuna would carry on her adventure of self sacrifice.
However, it later transpired Seymour was after more power for himself and when Yuna tried to stop it, Seymour threatened to kill her friends.
Also, I've just took another look at FFXIII and this is not at all what I remember. I wonder if my version was broken or something, because when I played it most of the characters were separate and it was a real slow moving game...
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What game would be a good introduction to Final Fantasy?
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Tough one. I don't think going to far back will help. I'd probably suggest FFX as although it has issues, it's one of the few games in the series that doesn't go to crazy with the plot at the end. Plus, a lot of the characters are good.
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FFX I guess.. Or the newer FF IV 3D versions.
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I think a lot of people would probably say ff xv now since it takes a lot of familiar conventions. But other than that it is actually hard to not say FF X and I am not even that big of a fan
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I like I through X-2 and some spin offs of 7, XII when i feel like it, XIII jumped the shark so I wasn't too crazy about that... 4-7 are my favorites, 8 too. Final Fantasy Tactics is great.