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Off Topic => Everything Else => Topic started by: George on May 02, 2011, 01:31:33 am
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I find this song highly appropriate.
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The whole thing seems pretty surreal.
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To be honest, and I hope I'm not out of line for saying this, I'm almost disgusted at the way some people have reacted to Bin Laden's death. What he did was a crime against humanity, but I feel like people shouldn't be glorifying his death and chanting "USA! USA!!" What does that say about us when we react to a human being's death?
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We are cheering but only because Bin Laden was an evil man. Perhaps the greatest enemy of the US and the World in the first decade of the 21st Century.
It's finally over...
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To be honest, and I hope I'm not out of line for saying this, I'm almost disgusted at the way some people have reacted to Bin Laden's death. What he did was a crime against humanity, but I feel like people shouldn't be glorifying his death and chanting "USA! USA!!" What does that say about us when we react to a human being's death?
I don't think American's are glorifying his death. Quite the opposite. I consider it the fall of a leader and symbol, so I'll be gladly celebrating. Of course, I'm not going to be like "fuck yeah! USA put a bullet in the head of a human being! Let's piss on the corpse!", but I am very happy that many who lost friends and family members in the 9/11 attacks have some sort of peace and an end to a defining aspect of the tragedy.
I think of it as the capture of a serial killer. Now he can't go spreading his message and planning more attacks. Of course, as with serial killers, there are always going to be more terrorist leaders. So people shouldn't be celebrating the end of terrorsim. However, as I said above, it's a good thing to know he's not out there hiding anymore.
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How was he a leader of anything living in a detached area of a rural village behind multiple walls without anything more than plumming. His electricity was generated by a small generator.
I wonder why this operation couldn't have worked with tranqualizers?
How is it justice if he didn't stand before a judge and a jury? Jumped straight to execution.
Which is fine I guess he had it coming but throwing his body into the sea wasn't right, his body should've been given to the Bin Laden family. The only thing that truly didn't sit right with me was the treatment of his remains.
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US Special Ops using tranqs? Never gonna happen. I agree, ideally I'd have wanted him alive so he could stand trial. But imagine how major a deal this raid was for the soldiers involved, and the fact that bin Laden was surly packing heat. Doubt he'd drop his weapon and give up, and a tranq to the neck isn't going to be instantaneous.
As for the remains, I'd think burying the body within 24 hours at sea was more than respectful considering the severity of his crimes and the emotions running against him. I still remember how distasteful and creepy that Saddam Hussein execution video was, so thank goodness there is no bin Laden video. Ugh. Also, no way would his body be given up to the family. Giving him a known burial spot would surly make for a physical location where supporters could pay respects, that's the last thing the US and every other country opposed to him would want.
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Obviously my post was a joke. Let me tell you how I really feel.
I think Osama got the blame for most of what he did. I think he was misguided and angry at a lot of the bigger nations for not understanding their way of life and trying to exploit them. Russia attacked, we helped then ignored them. Not only that, we had a nice time bombing them prior to 9/11.
Was 9/11 due to them hating 'our freedoms, money and religious freedom'? Doubtful. Highly. He was found in a fucking palace. No joke.
Is he a criminal? Yes. But so is the Bush administration for lying to the public to get a war and going to Iraq.
I wish that the US Government would be more inclined to building things to help people in nations that need the help instead of bombing them.
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@ Barry: That's what they said to avoid a shrine.
Well no one really knows what they did with the body, they saw they dumped it into the see.
I just can't get my head around it man, he's dead give the remains back. All the soldiers Pakistani/American always got their remains back.
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Pakistan didn't want his remains, I read that no nation wanted his remains. Odd, right? Also 11 of his sons where killed to? I guess they won't miss their dad.
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Obviously my post was a joke. Let me tell you how I really feel.
I think Osama got the blame for most of what he did. I think he was misguided and angry at a lot of the bigger nations for not understanding their way of life and trying to exploit them. Russia attacked, we helped then ignored them. Not only that, we had a nice time bombing them prior to 9/11.
Was 9/11 due to them hating 'our freedoms, money and religious freedom'? Doubtful. Highly. He was found in a fucking palace. No joke.
Is he a criminal? Yes. But so is the Bush administration for lying to the public to get a war and going to Iraq.
I wish that the US Government would be more inclined to building things to help people in nations that need the help instead of bombing them.
Don't forget the torture, that was illegal, and the illegal wiretapping that violates our fourth amendment? It also arguably violated the fourteenth amendment's equal protection clause.. Now we have the new TSA searches, also a violation of the fourth amendment.
Amazing how many of our rights have been destroyed in the past decade under the guise of making Americans' safer.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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I thought I banned that Franklin guy for making too many fart jokes.
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Benjamin Franklin is the man. Period. You should read up on his life of orgies.
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Why the hell would Pakistan want his remains?
He was a Saudi as far as I know and the Bin Laden family is still one of the biggest families in the world. I belive they are the second richest family in Asia (I could be wrong).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family)
I bet someone in the family would've wanted his remains, and could've berried him at an undisclosed location.
Think about it.
I don't know if anyone should be allowed to turn human remains into shark food and pass it off as a humane course of action.
That is all I am saying, nothing more.
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Lots of cultures actually do sea burials. I don't find that inhuman at all.
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AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!
I love that song. It's so hilarious.
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Nope, George. You got it all wrong.
What Bin Laden proved to the world is that he was not only evil, he was a hypocrite.
Even worse, he spoonfed anti-capitalist and anti-american trash onto the people he brainwashed over and over again to turn them into essentially mindless killing machines, while he gave the impression that he was just an humble farmer with a gun that dared to take out a massive force. Instead he lives a life of luxury. Even worse, he was a friggin coward...
This shows what he really was (http://http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-usa-women-idUSTRE74166F20110502):
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden tried to hide behind women as U.S. special forces attacked his compound in Pakistan Monday and one died being used as a human shield, the White House said.
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How am I wrong? I said in this thread that everyone says he hated us for our greed, something he did use in speeches and was living in a palace, 3x bigger than anyone in that town. His family is the riches family in the world. Do you think average people in Pakistan don't know this? IS he brainwashing people or is the media brain washing us to believe that he hated us for our freedom and religious values?
You call him a hypocrite... but isn't the same government, the US government the biggest hypocrite out of all of them, using terror tactics to get control of governments and then calling them 'terrorist' as excuses to land troops?
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Lots of cultures actually do sea burials. I don't find that inhuman at all.
In Islam it is disrespectful towards humanity.
The body our soul inhabits is not anyone's property it belongs to the almighty and his instructions are that it should be berried in Earth.
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Though bin Laden himself was disrespectful towards humanity, so...
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let's be disrespectful about his remains and we can call it even ;).
Whatever happend to being better than him?
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let's be disrespectful about his remains and we can call it even ;).
Whatever happend to being better than him?
Just a question, did you lose anyone due to 9/11? Were you affected by 9/11 at all? (And other terroist attacks)
Obama for president again.. my prediction is true!
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We should all mourn those who died, but killing an old man isn't going to make them come back. It was 10 years and he wasn't even working with any terrorist. He shouldn't have been let go, he should have been captured.
Don't talk about lives being lost, how many troops and civilians in the middle east have lost their lives over the past 9 years due to the US?
Even better, if China bombed your town and killed your family, but our government refused to fight... what would you do?
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let's be disrespectful about his remains and we can call it even ;).
Whatever happend to being better than him?
I kind of agree I guess, I don't really get everybody celebrating his death as it doesn't change anything, and really who the fuck cares that Osama is dead? I mean great, but it doesn't effect me or you, or anybody on this forum probably.
Am I going to get my rights back? Can I have private phone calls again? Can I go to the airport and not be subjected to sexual humiliation? No? Then I don't fucking care. Though I am glad they can't use this shithead as a poster boy to steal anymore of our rights.
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Exactly. We were sent on a phony war that cost us 1.2trillion dollar to see one old man and his 11 kids be killed and we now enjoy less freedoms than we did before 9/11.
They said don't fear them and don't let them win. Seems we lost this battle a long time ago.
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Exactly. We were sent on a phony war that cost us 1.2trillion dollar to see one old man and his 11 kids be killed and we now enjoy less freedoms than we did before 9/11.
They said don't fear them and don't let them win. Seems we lost this battle a long time ago.
Thank you! Somebody else gets it! I find it funny, "They hate us for our freedom" (they didn't), good news Al Qaeda you defeated "our freedom", you win.
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let's be disrespectful about his remains and we can call it even ;).
Whatever happend to being better than him?
Just a question, did you lose anyone due to 9/11? Were you affected by 9/11 at all? (And other terroist attacks)
Obama for president again.. my prediction is true!
A relative of mine had his leg blown off in a terrorist attack last year (Al-Qaeda only started targetting Pakistan after they formally sided with America).
You want more examples?
They were mentioning in the news how about 3000 US Soldiers have died since the war started.
Do you have any idea how many Pakistani Civilians have died since the war started?
We've lost multiple fully functional and peaceful cities due to the American war on Terror, bimonthly drone attacks continue to kill civilians on a weekly basis!
How many terrorist attacks has America even been a victim off besides 9/11?
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Probably best to not play the which country lost more game, perhaps that politics thread could start up for the more heated political debates?
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All I'm saying is that people that are like "All those terrorist hate our god damn freedoms! Fuck those paki shits *holds American flag belt buckle why chuckling*" need to understand why there are groups in that region that... well, are resistant fighters.
If Osama and his 'followers' hated the US so much, why did they accept training, weapons and other stuff from the US in the 80's?
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let's be disrespectful about his remains and we can call it even ;).
Whatever happend to being better than him?
Just a question, did you lose anyone due to 9/11? Were you affected by 9/11 at all? (And other terroist attacks)
Obama for president again.. my prediction is true!
A relative of mine had his leg blown off in a terrorist attack last year (Al-Qaeda only started targetting Pakistan after they formally sided with America).
You want more examples?
They were mentioning in the news how about 3000 US Soldiers have died since the war started.
Do you have any idea how many Pakistani Civilians have died since the war started?
We've lost multiple fully functional and peaceful cities due to the American war on Terror, bimonthly drone attacks continue to kill civilians on a weekly basis!
How many terrorist attacks has America even been a victim off besides 9/11?
Yeah Obama increased those, sorry about that. I wasn't old enough to vote yet, but I wanted Dennis Kucinich for the record.
Probably best to not play the which country lost more game, perhaps that politics thread could start up for the more heated political debates?
Yeah, the political thread is a good idea I just wanted to make sure mods were good with it. Seems things have been getting tense in the everything else board, so we should probably have a special thread for the people who feel the need to debate these topics versus the people who wanna relax a tad more.
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So how about some conspiracy theories?
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So how about some conspiracy theories?
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I don't buy em, it literally isn't beneficial for the US government for Bin Laden to be dead. This means they can no longer use him for fear mongering, which happens excessively around election time, or when they wanna take away another right from American civilians.
Regardless, Dead or Alive, it makes no difference to me because he is old enough to die in a few years from natural causes and it will not effect me in my life whether he is still alive or dead.
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^They can find someone else to use for scaremongering at any time really. If Bin Laden was alive though, all it would take is one broadcast on youtube to prove it and US would look incredibly dumb. If they were going to fake something it wouldn't be his death.
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Yeah but why YouTube?
Why not al-qada.com they have all their press releases over there?
Oh wait, they don't cause they live in shit holes and have no resources what so ever, and their only medium of attack is straping C4's around them and blowing up in crowded places far far away from America.
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The thing that kills me with these conspiracy theories is that a lot of these people who give these reports are in the public sector. Alex Jones works in a state-owned radio station and for someone to claim that goverment cover-up normally involves murder is a laugh riot in and of itself.
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Please to get a better context of the situation, play this song really loud while reading this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVY7qDjrPZk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVY7qDjrPZk)
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let's be disrespectful about his remains and we can call it even ;).
Whatever happend to being better than him?
Just a question, did you lose anyone due to 9/11? Were you affected by 9/11 at all? (And other terroist attacks)
Obama for president again.. my prediction is true!
A relative of mine had his leg blown off in a terrorist attack last year (Al-Qaeda only started targetting Pakistan after they formally sided with America).
You want more examples?
They were mentioning in the news how about 3000 US Soldiers have died since the war started.
Do you have any idea how many Pakistani Civilians have died since the war started?
We've lost multiple fully functional and peaceful cities due to the American war on Terror, bimonthly drone attacks continue to kill civilians on a weekly basis!
How many terrorist attacks has America even been a victim off besides 9/11?
Oh, I was just asking it as a question. I hope I didn't rile you up. O_o
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You asked I answered, all America has lost are 2 buildings and a few soldiers = 3000 lives.
We've lost about 10 times more and worse.
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Yeah but why YouTube?
Why not al-qada.com they have all their press releases over there?
It was just for the sake of argument.
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"All those terrorist hate our god damn freedoms! Fuck those paki shits *holds American flag belt buckle why chuckling*"
I died!
his instructions are that it should be berried in Earth.
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Shame that the Philadelphia Zombie Crawl already happened. A bin Laden zombie with a missing eye and brains coming out the back of his head would have stole the show.
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I do not trust Alex Jones, mostly because of stuff like this:
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Regardless, the whole thing kind of stinks and is far too convenient. Burial at sea, no pictures, videos, his whole family was killed in the attack? Supposedly they will release pictures at a later date, but for what reason? The best way to shut up (most) conspiracies is to have all of the evidence out in front right from the start.
Taro and Mang made great points though, and it is true, we still have Kim Jong Il to scare America with his low quality, poorly assembled weapons that only kill other Koreans on accident.
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Supposedly they will release pictures at a later date, but for what reason?
I'd think they want to wait until we don't have so many soldiers stationed in countries that would take the grotesque death photos as a reason to incite violence against united states citizens and soldiers.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42922557/ns ... bin_laden/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42922557/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/)
Thanks to the finding of Osama, we have found out they were plotting an attack on a US train on 9/11/11.
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Fuck them! Glad they found about that shit. I work by Philly's largest train station. That would have been horrible!
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Can we leave the middle east already? America is in debt and the way its going... we might be owned by China in 20 years, since they are buying up all our debt.
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http://www.ranker.com/list/top-50-inter ... =&sortdir= (http://www.ranker.com/list/top-50-internet-reactions-to-osama-bin-laden_s-death/brian-gilmore?page=1&format=BLOG&sortby=&sortdir=)
He really shouldn't have used his real address on PSN.
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Can we leave the middle east already? America is in debt and the way its going... we might be owned by China in 20 years, since they are buying up all our debt.
I remember someone saying that China might buy us and control us. Then someone posted an article that it doesn't work like that. Need to find it...
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Either way, debt is debt, even if a "china man" (talking all American now) owns it or not. I'm not saying we shouldn't protect ourselves against an attack, but does a military bothering people there really help us back home? Is having bases in Germany and Japan really something we need tax payer money for?
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42922557/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/
Thanks to the finding of Osama, we have found out they were plotting an attack on a US train on 9/11/11.
Great, now they are gonna use it as a reason to push the god damn TSA policies into the fucking train stations.
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I went to Mexico, oddly enough they didn't touch my dick and scan my butt.
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Can we leave the middle east already? America is in debt and the way its going... we might be owned by China in 20 years, since they are buying up all our debt.
I remember someone saying that China might buy us and control us. Then someone posted an article that it doesn't work like that. Need to find it...
Of course it does not work like that. The whole idea of debt is not to control but to forever profit from someone/thing.
America will have to pay large sums of China for owning and financing their debt, where do you think this money is going to come from? It comes from America's budget and that means to finance the debt, many public services will be hit, quality of life will decrease and less money to spend on the improvement of the United States.
Of course raising taxes can help to solve some of these issues and spending less on defence, but we'd discuss that in the politics thread, which I'll now open.
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Aaaand the White House just went from bragging about Bin Laden's death to not wanting to talk about it at all.
http://http://wires.univision.com/english/article/2011-05-05/white-house-seeks-to-scotch
The President should really fire his PR staff.
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Terrorists Activity has exponentially spiked up in Pakistan now and a rebellion has started.
On Sunday Al-Qaeda attacked a Military Base blowing up 2 Jets, killing 10 soliders including a Leftinand Commander, and 2 Rangers (an Elite Police force).
They are also making suicide attacks all over the country.
Thank You, America!
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You're welcome!
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Terrorists Activity has exponentially spiked up in Pakistan now and a rebellion has started.
On Sunday Al-Qaeda attacked a Military Base blowing up 2 Jets, killing 10 soliders including a Leftinand Commander, and 2 Rangers (an Elite Police force).
They are also making suicide attacks all over the country.
Thank You, America!
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[spoiler:grsksqhj]The Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist... These lyrics are just too funny.[/spoiler:grsksqhj]
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I prefer "This ain't no rag, it's a flag". But thats a good tune too.
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Terrorists Activity has exponentially spiked up in Pakistan now and a rebellion has started.
On Sunday Al-Qaeda attacked a Military Base blowing up 2 Jets, killing 10 soliders including a Leftinand Commander, and 2 Rangers (an Elite Police force).
They are also making suicide attacks all over the country.
Thank You, America!
Probably for the first time ever, I agree with you.
The Americans went into Pakistan secretly, killed Osama and then quickly high tailed out of there.
But who has to put up with the increased violence in the area? I don't see America offering to back up Pakistani law inforcment, now that there's going to be a backlash and surge in violence... No, they 'don't want to talk about it'...
In all honesty I don't know why I'm expected to care any more about 9/11 then I am about anything else that’s happening in the world right now. Because I'M white? Because of American self importance? Most of the time I can barely relate to these people and when it comes to politics and religion they can be just as strange to me as any radical.
Since 9/11 how many innocent people in the Middle East have Americans killed? how many innocent people have been tortured in American detention camps? In all honesty the 9/11 attacks are really quite tame compared to other shit going on in the world this very moment, in Africa.
It was only a month ago Americans crashed a plane whilst bombing Libya... So the plane goes down and Libyan rebels (Allies of the UN) go to save the American pilots and what happens? The Americns scramble rescue helicopter and when they arrive they shot and killed the rebel resquers with out a seconds thought. It's disgusting!
It's all funny to post the 'USA World Police' song and laugh about it but when all is said and done, there are people now dead and with missing limbs because they were trying to help American soldiers... If you want to talk about injustice...
Anyway, as it has been pointed out in this thread before, what has changed in the world now that Osama is dead? How is America any better off? The guy wasn't even really involved anymore. So a lame President now has something to boast about, maybe he can get reelected and spend another 4 years doing nothing. But beyond that nothing has changed... But Pakistan now has to take the back lash at 'ground 0'.
Yeah, I usually try to stay out of these threads because I know my opinion doesn't go down well with Americans. In all honesty I feel absolutely nothing for any of our soldiers American, British or otherwise that go to Iraq or Afganistan and die in battle, there own choice... I don't feel any connection for the people who died in 9/11 either. Whilst I understand that was a terrible thing, terrible things happen all the time and we all sleep at night.
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Obama does stuff.... Pro-corporate, borderline fascist stuff mainly, but stuff.
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Deal with it. America got their kill. Time to roll out of Pakistan. Bye.
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Ya'll just mad cuz USA is stylin' on you.
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Y U MAD THO?
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Deal with it. America got their kill. Time to roll out of Pakistan. Bye.
America 1 - Al Qaeda 2,973
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Well, if you want to get really specific... We could also count the Al-Qaeda thugs who have been caught and killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the Iran-funded thugs in Iraq. Not sure how Libya fits into this but...
And about 39 terror plots that were foiled. (http://http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/05/39-terror-plots-foiled-since-911-examining-counterterrorisms-success-stories) Today, was a good week...