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Title: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 06, 2012, 03:26:55 pm
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Today, Sega of Japan posted a Job Advertisement for 3 part-time positions related to work with AM2 and on the Virtua Fighter Series. The job description includes assisting with production, organizing/creating events, and working on the VF.net mobile website. Specifically, they are looking to hire fans of the Virtua Fighter series. Application deadline is December 7th and the job begins in February 1, 2013.

What does this mean for most of the Virtua Fighter fans outside of Japan? There is speculation amongst the Japanese VFers that these jobs are directly related to the 20th Anniversary of Virtua Fighter in 2013 and Virtua Fighter 6.
http://virtuafighter.com/threads/sega-posted-employment-ad-related-to-the-virtua-fighter-series.17024/
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Randroid on November 06, 2012, 04:36:46 pm
Let it be preparations for VF6. The vf series is consistently head and shoulders above all other fighters.

Street fighter had a case for it, but took steps back from sf3 third strike when they made sf4 and I can't stand tekken in any form. Dead or Alive is fun, but not serious as is Soul Calibur.

No, the king needs to return to the throne. VF6!
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 06, 2012, 04:54:39 pm
^I agree, and considering the work Sega had done on VF5 FS to get it bigger in the west, I really think VF6 could make even more of a splash. If they put on events and get a console/western release out in decent time then I would be over the moon.

It's also worth noting that it's the 20th Anniversary next year for VF. It would be great if they have some big release to honor that.

If it is a new game entirely, that would mean two new characters for the fold as well. I personally would like to see them bring Siba back, who was originally meant to be in VF1 and then made a guest appearance in Fighters Megamix. I would love to see them bring him back with some kind of middle-eastern fighting style (and not using his sword, naturally).

Also, inb4 Aki-at makes an "Exclusive to iOS!" joke.

Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: semmie on November 06, 2012, 08:50:26 pm
Let it be preparations for VF6. The vf series is consistently head and shoulders above all other fighters.

Street fighter had a case for it, but took steps back from sf3 third strike when they made sf4 and I can't stand tekken in any form. Dead or Alive is fun, but not serious as is Soul Calibur.

No, the king needs to return to the throne. VF6!

you are so right. vf 3tb is bad ass on the arcades. much nicer graphics then the dc.
vf4 and 5 cant say anything about it its just too good

as for vf 1. just noticed the waves of ripoffs back then?
 fx fightr battle arena toshinden.
and then when vf 2 came out they were defeated hard.

the only tekken i like is tekken 3. the rest is seriously the same.
you got to give soul calibur props. its not better or wors then vf. its a whole different gameplay and franchise with weapons.

as for the underdogs like bloody roar its a forgotten game cause games like virtua fighter are on the market.

basically to explain this in charts
1. virtua fighter
2.mortal kombat
3. soul calibur
4. dead or alive
5. used to be streetfighter. but i lost my love for it cause their 3d is terrible
this goes for sf vs tekken as well

basically virtua fighter is the best cause it is strategically a difficult game u cant just bash and defeat an experienced fighters. you are obligated to use all tools such as dodge block kick combinations.
its not quite mma but it has takedowns. this game honors kung fu and thai box and all standing strike and kick fighting categorys. and even tho the characters are fictional. but still the fighting itself is realistic when speaking about the rule of standing strikes and kicks.

dead or alive is bs. yeah its cool but bs in these terms cause it has some non realistic moves like in tekken.
.  if vf wasnt there id go for mk cause the time the makers have put in these game still have their fruit and it goes better by time.

perhaps
in my opinion
but even vf 5 is still the top best. people are crying for getting that came. shodown came out. and we gotta admit there were no big changes. but people will buy it cause they want the extra players and moves and fastness. and this is one of those occassions that people wont complain why not vf6? cause the game is just so good ud be happy to buy that same game with a character extra :P

my question that pops up is. how will they make a better game then vf5?
i really wonder
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Radrappy on November 07, 2012, 12:01:05 am
VF, while being an excellent fighting game has always struggled finding a western audience as it is stylistically and visually less iconic than any of its competitors.  It will continue to be an underdog until some serious image tweaking is done; whether that's a new take on the character designs or a new graphical style that stands out.  VF6 could be the entry that finally does this. 
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Kori-Maru on November 07, 2012, 01:41:04 am
Sweet news about VF6, but I kinda wished it was Fighting Vipers 3 for the arcades. Oh well, I wonder what they'll do for the 20th Anniversary?
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: semmie on November 07, 2012, 02:19:59 am
VF, while being an excellent fighting game has always struggled finding a western audience as it is stylistically and visually less iconic than any of its competitors.  It will continue to be an underdog until some serious image tweaking is done; whether that's a new take on the character designs or a new graphical style that stands out.  VF6 could be the entry that finally does this.

unfortunately to obtain this goal u have to use the sex sells policy. soul calibur titties
dead or alive has titties
vf has moooooore quality then any game. but being the underdog s good. cause if it bows down to this iconic item which will lead to a game that is not vf except for its name
. a dilemma if u ask. cause it has to sell. none the less its the best fighting game ever
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 07, 2012, 02:41:25 am
basically to explain this in charts
1. virtua fighter
2.mortal kombat
3. soul calibur
4. dead or alive
5. used to be streetfighter. but i lost my love for it cause their 3d is terrible
this goes for sf vs tekken as well

pffft bwahahahaha

Mortal Kombat? Really?

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but even vf 5 is still the top best. people are crying for getting that came. shodown came out. and we gotta admit there were no big changes. but people will buy it cause they want the extra players and moves and fastness. and this is one of those occassions that people wont complain why not vf6? cause the game is just so good ud be happy to buy that same game with a character extra :P

Final Showdown was massively different to Virtua Fighter 5 vanilla. I don't want to go into too much detail (unless someone is curious), but it was pretty much a new game with the changes that were made in between 5 and Final Showdown.

In terms of making it more popular, they are on the right track. They need to support it more in the west, in terms of marketing it I think running events, interacting with the communities and just making it available to play (rather than being Japan arcades only for so long) goes a long way. Don't change the game and aesthetics too radically to appeal to people or you'll end up pleasing nobody. They already have introduced great ideas with the character customisations and social media interactions.

One thing I think people need to stop doing is making it sound like it's really complicated or difficult, because it's really not.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Randroid on November 07, 2012, 03:56:50 am
VF is pretty much the only series I never want to see deviate from its current formula. The custom costumes were great as they allowed gamers to get silly without changing anything about the game's dynamic.

No Fighting Game Gimmicks Please!

If it's a spin off series then fine, do VF vs DoA vs Street Fighter with Lau tagging in Akira who comes in and throws a fireball.

But if it's a numbered VF game, leave the current formula alone!

That being said. What would intrigue me the most would be the new characters.

Since a new combat style is always represented, what you would like to see next? Let's say two new characters (other sega characters allowed).

I'll start.

1. A straight up boxer, about Jeffery's size, maybe a bit on the chubby side. If it's to be a sega character, maybe R.Bear from streets of rage?

2. A rough and tumble escrima fighter (no weapons though), or subbing that a hong-kong fighter, with a wing-chun or choy lay fut style. Something a little more rough/tough than Lau and Pai's refined kung fu.



Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Aki-at on November 07, 2012, 04:27:19 am
VF, while being an excellent fighting game has always struggled finding a western audience as it is stylistically and visually less iconic than any of its competitors.  It will continue to be an underdog until some serious image tweaking is done; whether that's a new take on the character designs or a new graphical style that stands out.  VF6 could be the entry that finally does this.

It has more to do with SEGA's lack of showing it off than it's own image. Virtua Fighter 4, for example, was the best selling Playstation 2 fighter last generation.

Also no Mang, it's so clearly going to be an Android exclusive.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Radrappy on November 07, 2012, 04:43:56 am
It has more to do with SEGA's lack of showing it off than it's own image. Virtua Fighter 4, for example, was the best selling Playstation 2 fighter last generation.


The best selling PS2 fighter last generation?  What do you mean by that, exactly?  I'm pretty sure it never got close to the numbers of Tekken tag tournament.  Do you mean it was the most popular fighter released in the final years of the PS2's life? 

Also I see a lot of blame being shifted on sega's advertising/exposure but you've got to admit that the title needs to sell itself to a certain extent as well.  If didn't know anything about Sega and I saw Binary Domain or VF on a store shelf, no way in hell would I consider buying them.  Their art styles are both just too bland.   
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: celsowm on November 07, 2012, 10:46:14 am
I would see a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Fighter in the next Virtua Fighter !
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: semmie on November 07, 2012, 03:01:41 pm
I would see a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Fighter in the next Virtua Fighter !

jiu jitsu is arm lock leg lock and bars therefor if that would be implemented in that game ?
that would mean that vf is not a standing strike and kick game anymore.
the only form of mma that vf does are the takedowns and one time ground pound. right after that its standing.

but hey everything is possible :) if u want that it might happen without deviate from its origin.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 07, 2012, 03:15:58 pm
A boxer would be interesting to see, but I really hope that they would give him the ability to kick! Boxers are fully capable of kicking people, they have two functioning legs, most games featuring boxers ignore this!
I understand that Boxing as a sport doesn't allow kicks, but surely in a fight they would be using them if it was beneficial.

He doesn't have to do jumping crescent kicks or anything but he should be able to put the knee in and throw a middle kick at least. Obviously his main repertoire would be punch combinations but he should be able to have some kick moves too.

Only problem is, how different would he then be from Brad? I picture a boxer having lots of punch strings and ducking and weaving which is... exactly what Brad already has. Still, Lau and Pai started out so similar and they managed to diverge into unique playstyles so maybe the same can be done.

For another idea, what about Tai Kwan Do? That would be an interesting style to see in VF for sure.

As for purely aesthetics/features, I'd like them to include more cameos as part of the character customisations. Sega knows everyone wants to make Ryo with Akira, so why not make the whole costume? You can make a pretty close Goro Majima with Goh, but why not go even further by putting in his full tattoo and a more accurate shirt/pants etc?

In addition, if VF6 is a retail release, I'd like to see the Quest mode make a return, and even better, make an online quest mode. It would be great if you could play Player or Ranked matches and rank up your character and win items.

EDIT: Semmie: don't forget that Goh uses Judo which is supposed to be entirely grappling as well with little to no strikes, but they made that character work by combining his Judo with a number of strikes. It seems like most characters fight with a mix of disciplines to give them a good range of tools.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: semmie on November 07, 2012, 03:45:53 pm
A boxer would be interesting to see, but I really hope that they would give him the ability to kick! Boxers are fully capable of kicking people, they have two functioning legs, most games featuring boxers ignore this!
I understand that Boxing as a sport doesn't allow kicks, but surely in a fight they would be using them if it was beneficial.

He doesn't have to do jumping crescent kicks or anything but he should be able to put the knee in and throw a middle kick at least. Obviously his main repertoire would be punch combinations but he should be able to have some kick moves too.

Only problem is, how different would he then be from Brad? I picture a boxer having lots of punch strings and ducking and weaving which is... exactly what Brad already has. Still, Lau and Pai started out so similar and they managed to diverge into unique playstyles so maybe the same can be done.

For another idea, what about Tai Kwan Do? That would be an interesting style to see in VF for sure.

As for purely aesthetics/features, I'd like them to include more cameos as part of the character customisations. Sega knows everyone wants to make Ryo with Akira, so why not make the whole costume? You can make a pretty close Goro Majima with Goh, but why not go even further by putting in his full tattoo and a more accurate shirt/pants etc?

In addition, if VF6 is a retail release, I'd like to see the Quest mode make a return, and even better, make an online quest mode. It would be great if you could play Player or Ranked matches and rank up your character and win items.

EDIT: Semmie: don't forget that Goh uses Judo which is supposed to be entirely grappling as well with little to no strikes, but they made that character work by combining his Judo with a number of strikes. It seems like most characters fight with a mix of disciplines to give them a good range of tools.

truth that. there are a lot of mma skills included and goh is indeed a grappler. so unfortunate for me but ill take that partially back. the game itself tho is mainly in standing. and even goh the grappler after doing his grapple he stands up and kick and punches.
to be precise the game doesnt have its main focus to stay on the ground. it will take max 4 seconds on the ground. so there is a limit to it. you wont see goh chilling on the ground like wwf or ufc.

but i agree with you. im not debating you. im just trying to make myself more understandable.

yeah boxers can kick. we have seen that in mma. a knee or low kick is what they do. their main focus is bxin yeah. but there are types of boxers like
english boxing
3dimensional boxers that box on head body and even boxing the knees.
these kind of boxers are so good they dont need to kick cause they use their arms from the upper part to the lowest.
boxers tend to be very good in holding someone and choking

the 2 combos not mentioned in vf yet

a 3dimensional boxer with choking and neckbreaking skills
or a pure english boxer with good dodging skills right after counters

its an idea
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Randroid on November 07, 2012, 05:28:40 pm
If they throw in a boxer I'd like one that doesn't use kicks.

That way they can really make the punch strings really unique. Otherwise, it would be just another brad, or if he's a big guy, just another Jeffery.

and I was going to say "Tae Kwon Do character", but Sarah already is a kick heavy fighter. Not saying that it shouldn't be done. God knows there's a ton of style overlap in VF.

And hell yes to sega character costumes. Spent so much time doing that in VF5:FS.

Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 07, 2012, 06:38:19 pm
I was thinking of Sarah too when I said Tae Kwan Do, but I don't know enough about TKD to know if she's using a lot of their moves or not. I only know TKD from KOF and SF which is pretty far-out in terms of the moves.

As for the boxer, I think they can still make a unique character even if he has kicks available. It would be a case where he only has a very few kick-moves though, not even close to Brad's range of attacks. Just simple knees and mid kicks. But yeah, even with that Brad already has so much in the way of boxing attacks and strings I can't help but feel he'd be kind of redundant.


Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: semmie on November 08, 2012, 12:19:53 am
example of thai kwan do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyA3aq6lJZk
 its kinda taboo to mix that with boxing n u can see why.
but it has been combined in mma in a form of brazillian jiu jitsu boxing and thai kwan do.
the more skills u have the better of course.. but somehow sara is allready like that

this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL9ZXos8LfQ
contains the full quality of thai kwan do because the guy is forced to use punches as well cause his oponent s a kick boxer
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: ROJM on November 13, 2012, 08:07:47 am
VF, while being an excellent fighting game has always struggled finding a western audience as it is stylistically and visually less iconic than any of its competitors.  It will continue to be an underdog until some serious image tweaking is done; whether that's a new take on the character designs or a new graphical style that stands out.  VF6 could be the entry that finally does this.

I think the timing of VF release and struggle for an audience outside the arcade (it doesn't struggle to get a western arcade audience) was more to do with Sega's slow demise in popularity and influence to the consumers with the saturn and DC which was really the only place to play VF games. Its no coincidence that most of Sega games from that Saturn/DC era have failed to get an audience for various reasons including any sequels to said games. Really outside of Sonic the only big selling Sega games in the west are two titles produced by companies they acquired, the ESPN license they once had and IRON MAN 2.As they were titles that surpassed the 300 000 -600 000 mark.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 16, 2012, 11:32:03 am
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I think the timing of VF release and struggle for an audience outside the arcade (it doesn't struggle to get a western arcade audience)

I don't think VF games did well in the West and SOJ didn't even bother to bring VF 5 officially to the Western Arcades . I think its a combo of the sheer deepness and time needed to master the game and unlike Tekken or SC VF games marked a New SEGA board and great expensive for a Arcade operator , unlike the 1st few Tekken which used vastly cheaper and less powerful boards



I just hope VF 6 marks a new Board from SEGA and giving a series a kick up the ass , like what DOA 5 did for DOA series
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: ROJM on November 17, 2012, 12:58:40 pm
I don't think VF games did well in the West and SOJ didn't even bother to bring VF 5 officially to the Western Arcades . I think its a combo of the sheer deepness and time needed to master the game and unlike Tekken or SC VF games marked a New SEGA board and great expensive for a Arcade operator , unlike the 1st few Tekken which used vastly cheaper and less powerful boards



I just hope VF 6 marks a new Board from SEGA and giving a series a kick up the ass , like what DOA 5 did for DOA series

VF has always sold well in the west. Tekken is more popular on console than it is in the arcades. And VF5 did get released in the UK and most of them were n't import. I mean the numourous VF tourneys in the UK alone puts testement on how popular it is in the arcade that and the Capcom/SF games. Those are the ones that arcade gamers continually go to play on.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 17, 2012, 01:49:23 pm
Was it vf5r that we are thinking of never gerting exported? I think thats when sega introduced the lease only business model for the machine.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: ROJM on November 18, 2012, 12:36:47 pm
I cant speak for the USA but i can speak about the UK, Sega had VF5 in all their booths during the arcade event shows before it was released, they were even giving away a couple of arcade games like VIRTUA TENNIS for a discount if they brought VF5. TA's correct that the game was expensive and many operators didn't bother with the updates to VF5 and to a lesser degree VF4 as well but the game was released and is more popular in the arcades than Tekken is. DOA, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and even Soul Caliber have effectively became popular with console owners with some of the titles only continuing in console format rather than arcade. VF and the capcom/SF have always retained their arcade popularity.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 19, 2012, 03:29:13 am
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TA's correct that the game was expensive and many operators didn't bother with the updates to VF5 and to a lesser degree VF4 as well but the game was released and is more popular in the arcades than Tekken is. DOA, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and even Soul Caliber have effectively became popular with console owners with some of the titles only continuing in console format rather than arcade. VF and the capcom/SF have always retained their arcade popularity

Its not so much with VF 5 it was more with VF 1,2,3 . Unlike Namco who used PS based Hardware for it's series SEGA when the more expensive route with custom boards and that really hurt games like VF 3 in western Arcades , where has Tekken using it cheap boards would had a far better chance of seeing them not just n Arcades , but pubs, Cinema , Airports ect . In Japan it wasn't a issue but in the West I think it was .

Anyway I'm hoping for Big thinks with VF 6 . SEGA really need to up the anti now and hopefully we'll see a new Board too

Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 19, 2012, 03:36:30 am
I would expect VF6 to debut a new board. Traditionally the series has always been used to showcase new hardware right?
VF1 - Model 1
VF2 - Model 2
VF3 - Naomi
VF4 - Dunno
VF5 - Lindbergh?

I don't even know what to expect, but I can't wait to see what they have in store. I know a lot of the hardcore fans are a bit unsure about some changes in Final Showdown, namely the throw escape system (Which I actually like) and things like high level defensive options shutting down a lot of defence, which also might be a cause for the balance suffering compared to other games in the series.

Considering VF has such a strong following mainly in the hardcore fighting scene, I do think they need to address these issues as a matter of importance as well. I think they can make the current system work with some tweaks to make everyone happy.

I also really hope that they just keep the west in the loop from day one. Don't keep us hanging so long like with VF5R and Final Showdown!
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Suzuki Yu on November 19, 2012, 10:18:57 am
I would expect VF6 to debut a new board. Traditionally the series has always been used to showcase new hardware right?
VF1 - Model 1
VF2 - Model 2
VF3 - Model-3
VF4 - Naomi 2
VF5 - Lindbergh?

I don't even know what to expect, but I can't wait to see what they have in store. I know a lot of the hardcore fans are a bit unsure about some changes in Final Showdown, namely the throw escape system (Which I actually like) and things like high level defensive options shutting down a lot of defence, which also might be a cause for the balance suffering compared to other games in the series.

Considering VF has such a strong following mainly in the hardcore fighting scene, I do think they need to address these issues as a matter of importance as well. I think they can make the current system work with some tweaks to make everyone happy.

I also really hope that they just keep the west in the loop from day one. Don't keep us hanging so long like with VF5R and Final Showdown!
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Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: ROJM on November 20, 2012, 08:30:11 am
Its not so much with VF 5 it was more with VF 1,2,3 . Unlike Namco who used PS based Hardware for it's series SEGA when the more expensive route with custom boards and that really hurt games like VF 3 in western Arcades , where has Tekken using it cheap boards would had a far better chance of seeing them not just n Arcades , but pubs, Cinema , Airports ect . In Japan it wasn't a issue but in the West I think it was .

Anyway I'm hoping for Big thinks with VF 6 . SEGA really need to up the anti now and hopefully we'll see a new Board too

But that didn't stop the operators buying those games and it didn't, i'll admit there was a definate drop off when VF3 TB was released but we are talking about an era when the arcades was still strong in this country. In the time of VF4 and VF5 in a shrunk arcade market however you were still able to find smaller operations having these games, more so with VF4 than 5 but the answer is usually the same that VF games while expensive do draw a lot of money from the hardcore element but that's with one system. SF always domniate and the sammy titles because of them, being cheaper and they could place two or three SF systems to draw a crowd and money. from whati 've read in other forums and personally been told from people who are involved in that side of things.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 27, 2012, 02:59:23 am
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But that didn't stop the operators buying those games and it didn't, i'll admit there was a definate drop off when VF3 TB was released

In Japan the game was a smash , the trouble was even in Japan Model 3 wasn't very profitable and led to the AM# Arcade teams posting one of the their very few losses, where has VF 4 was a complete smash in Japan and I think still SEGA best ever money making coin up and single handedly led to SEGA post a profit in 2002 .

Anyway that was then and this is now . SEGA needs to do big things with VF 6 not just in the graphics stakes but in the gameplay dept and maybe even go back to VF3 interactive and multi tier backgrounds
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: ROJM on November 27, 2012, 05:46:27 am
In Japan the game was a smash , the trouble was even in Japan Model 3 wasn't very profitable and led to the AM# Arcade teams posting one of the their very few losses, where has VF 4 was a complete smash in Japan and I think still SEGA best ever money making coin up and single handedly led to SEGA post a profit in 2002 .

Anyway that was then and this is now . SEGA needs to do big things with VF 6 not just in the graphics stakes but in the gameplay dept and maybe even go back to VF3 interactive and multi tier backgrounds
Well i wasn't living in Japan back then, i'm only talking about the UK market. VF lackability coincides with the fall of Sega's arcade centres and the decline of arcades in this country overall. VF3TB wasn't my fave VF game anyway its boring and the VF4-5 has kinda started to get too tekkenesque with the grittier appearences and all, other than the ridiculous over saturation of  the variation boards. I perfer the simple days of VF-VF2 and VFK.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on November 27, 2012, 07:19:43 pm
Well i wasn't living in Japan back then, i'm only talking about the UK market. VF lackability coincides with the fall of Sega's arcade centres and the decline of arcades in this country overall. VF3TB wasn't my fave VF game anyway its boring and the VF4-5 has kinda started to get too tekkenesque with the grittier appearences and all, other than the ridiculous over saturation of  the variation boards. I perfer the simple days of VF-VF2 and VFK.

Do you really think that VF5 is gritty? I would have to disagree, it's still got all the bright colours and blue skies and whatnot I think. Look at Jeffry's stage or Vanessa's stage for example, not to mention the fun they have with the customisations.

TA:
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Anyway that was then and this is now . SEGA needs to do big things with VF 6 not just in the graphics stakes but in the gameplay dept and maybe even go back to VF3 interactive and multi tier backgrounds

What do you think they need to change in gameplay? I think that they've got a pretty good thing going right now and they shouldn't change it too much. As I said, maybe some changes to the throw and defensive options (talking high level stuff like evade, dash cancel, throw escape combinations) but overall I wouldn't change it. Virtua Fighter's main strength is it's uniquness and it's great fighting system, if they overhaul it too much or water it down too much then the hardcore fans will abandon it and it won't win over casual audiences or other fanbases either.

That's also the same reason I don't want the different level backgrounds to come back, I don't really see much benefit to it to be honest. It just makes it more difficult to play spacing and see if you're attacks will connect or not. And interactive stages? Breakable walls isn't enough?
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: ROJM on November 28, 2012, 08:29:14 am
Do you really think that VF5 is gritty? I would have to disagree, it's still got all the bright colours and blue skies and whatnot I think. Look at Jeffry's stage or Vanessa's stage for example, not to mention the fun they have with the customisations.
No  I was talking about VF5 various boards, the grittiness was VF4. Should have put them more closer together to make my point clearer, just didn't have the time to.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: STORM! on December 01, 2012, 02:00:30 am
  I hope it is VIRTUA FIGHTER 6, and not another Android/iOS shitty apply.


 OMG! I can't believe Sega is only doing "games" for mobile telephones now...
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: STORM! on December 01, 2012, 02:41:44 am
I would see a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Fighter in the next Virtua Fighter !

  Vanessa uses some Brazilian jyuujyutsu moves, and I thought she was brazilian, since her nationality is secret... but Sega has intentions to include a capoeira fighter since Virtua Fighter 1.

 Sadly, namco has made it up first  :-\

 I hope to see a capoeirista on the next game, and I have already sent my suggestion to Kataoka, the series producer.

 
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Aki-at on December 01, 2012, 06:32:06 am
  I hope it is VIRTUA FIGHTER 6, and not another Android/iOS shitty apply.


 OMG! I can't believe Sega is only doing "games" for mobile telephones now...

It is all a foolish decision from management because they fail to see that their dire marketing is causing their games to sell less and less as well as a terrible economic climate. With big publishers like Zynga on the verge of collapse who make their business solely on iOS/social games, you can see how it really is a terrible idea.

SEGA, and other publishers, should have made social/iOS games a part of their portfolio, not have a large group of employees work on just that industry.

On the plus side, last fiscal quarter SEGA made I believe 2 billion yen more in retail games than they predicted, hopefully they might eventually reconsider their decision to focus on the mobile phone market one day before it is too late.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Team Andromeda on December 03, 2012, 06:49:49 am
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What do you think they need to change in gameplay

Not much But I wish the team would sort out the jumping issues one and for all.

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That's also the same reason I don't want the different level backgrounds to come back, I don't really see much benefit to it to be honest.

I think the team need to and make them totally dynamic with weather conditions and big set pieces like those in DOA 5   . DOA 5 has really moved the ball forward in that interactive stage design and the VF team need to act on it, otherwise it be just like VF5 a sequel by the numbers and I don't think that's good enough anymore .

In sort AM#2 need to do what SEGA & Sumo did with Sonic All Star Racing 2 and totally shake up the genre and bring in interactive and dynamic systems   
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: STORM! on December 03, 2012, 07:02:54 am
  A rare thing: I agree with TA  :P  That's what Yu Suzuki was trying to do all the time...

 I LOVE YU SUZUKI!!  :-*  BRING SOME FIREBALLS, RAYS AND SPARKS TO VIRTUA FIGHTER 6!! YESSS! 8)

 (He was trying to do that on PSY-PHI  ;D)
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Suzuki Yu on December 03, 2012, 11:32:09 am
Not much But I wish the team would sort out the jumping issues one and for all.
what jumping issues? have you played FS?
the jumping now feels great IMO.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Pao on December 03, 2012, 12:24:50 pm
  BRING SOME FIREBALLS, RAYS AND SPARKS TO VIRTUA FIGHTER 6!! YESSS! 8)

No no no! Keep fireballs and lasers away from VF!
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on December 03, 2012, 03:14:13 pm
Not much But I wish the team would sort out the jumping issues one and for all.

I think the team need to and make them totally dynamic with weather conditions and big set pieces like those in DOA 5   . DOA 5 has really moved the ball forward in that interactive stage design and the VF team need to act on it, otherwise it be just like VF5 a sequel by the numbers and I don't think that's good enough anymore .

In sort AM#2 need to do what SEGA & Sumo did with Sonic All Star Racing 2 and totally shake up the genre and bring in interactive and dynamic systems

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no


That is the single worst thing I could ever imagine happening to Virtua Fighter. Seriously, I don't even know where to begin. The game is made to be a competitive fighter, do you really think Sega should piss everything away and make it a terrible DOA clone!?

Set pieces and all that stuff looks fun for the first 20 minutes you play the game, then it just gets in the way of the gameplay, especially considering VF's main target is the hardcore fighting game crowd. You're basically asking them to piss off their entire existing fanbase, which is fragile enough as it is, and then make some vain attempt to attract Casuals. Sorry, but the casual market for fighting games is drying up and even then they won't be swayed from Street Fighter and Brawl. It's not going to happen.
VF needs to focus on it's target market and be the best, most balanced technical competitive fighter out there, that's it's core strength and without it, it's NOTHING.

I mean Sega All Stars Racing? It's a Mario Kart clone to disgusting lengths, even where the first game used incredibly thinly veiled pastiches of the weapons from Mario Kart. It's a completely different beast too, you may as well say 'Hey guys, this iRacing game (look it up) is kinda fun and all, but they should include weapons and turbo boosts to try to win the Mario Kart crowd!'


Yes I mad, I got a nerve struck. Also, what jumping issue? The jumping mechanics in FS are the best in a VF i've yet played.

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  A rare thing: I agree with TA  :P  That's what Yu Suzuki was trying to do all the time...

 I LOVE YU SUZUKI!!  :-*  BRING SOME FIREBALLS, RAYS AND SPARKS TO VIRTUA FIGHTER 6!! YESSS! 8)

I can't tell if you are serious or not. Go play MVC3 if you want that stuff. I'm not saying games with Lasers and explosions and shit aren't fun, they are (I enjoy KOF and MVC as well) but why change VF into something it's not? It'll please nobody and kill the series.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 03, 2012, 03:23:22 pm
Sorry, but ASRT is not a "a Mario Kart clone to disgusting lengths".  ???
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on December 03, 2012, 03:28:22 pm
Sorry, I meant to specify the first game. Second one admittedly looks much better :)
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Randroid on December 03, 2012, 03:41:29 pm
VF needs to focus on it's target market and be the best, most balanced technical competitive fighter out there, that's it's core strength and without it, it's NOTHING.

^^This.

Let the spin-off series like "Fighter's Megamix" get silly with projectiles and shit. VF as a numbered series must remain the most grounded and hardcore of All Hardcore fighters (which it currently is). Gimmick up the non-gameplay affecting costumes all you want, no Gimmicks for the core gameplay, please! VF has a firm hold on its niche, and is slowly building up its competitive community here in the west around it.

Also, VF is perfect as it is, simply perfect. I'm shocked every time this game gets better because I found every iteration to be a perfect game through and through.



Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Aki-at on December 03, 2012, 04:07:57 pm
Exactly what Mang said. If that happened to Virtua Fighter than I am off from ever playing this series again, I am sure he would be too and most of the fanbase too. At a time when they are struggling for profits, are they really going to try something so risky and to me, downright silly, to the series?

If SEGA want to spice the fighting genre, they spice it up with a new IP. What is the point of a sequel if it abandons the core values of the series? It might as well be an entirely new game.
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Team Andromeda on December 04, 2012, 06:33:46 am
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The game is made to be a competitive fighter, do you really think Sega should piss everything away and make it a terrible DOA clone

? VF 3tb was a competitive fighter . What I want is VF 6 that builds on its multi tiered backrounds , but with the speed and pace of the modern fighter like VF 5

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I mean Sega All Stars Racing? It's a Mario Kart clone to disgusting lengths

Yes the 2nd game that really moved the ball forward and where its pissed on Mario Kart Wii or Mario Kart 7

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VF needs to focus on it's target market and be the best, most balanced technical competitive fighter out there, that's it's core strength and without it, it's NOTHING


That market is shirking , people move on sadly . VF 5 sales are nothing to that of VF 4 and SEGA needs to make a fighter that can really move VF series forward

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have you played FS

Yes I have it onthe 360
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: MadeManG74 on December 06, 2012, 04:13:27 pm
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/61693/best-of-2012-best-fighting-game/

Awwwww shiiiiiit
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Kori-Maru on December 06, 2012, 04:48:15 pm
Awww shit indeed
Title: Re: AM2 hiring Virtua Fighter. VF6 incoming?
Post by: Randroid on December 06, 2012, 04:50:24 pm
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/61693/best-of-2012-best-fighting-game/

Awwwww shiiiiiit


As if there was any real challenge to VF.