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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Spock on March 26, 2014, 09:39:42 pm
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What is your opinion on which is better, and why? I am trying to decide which one I would rather have. I want the system that has the best graphics and the most RPG games...
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PS4 has the best graphics and horse power. As for RPG's... that is also probably going to be PS4, unless Microsoft money hats a ton of JP developers.
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PS4's hardware specs exceed the Xbox One's. Most multiplats are running at lower resolutions on the Xbox so there is a discernible difference. Sony's also going to have more JRPGs just by virtue of being based in Japan. Honestly though, I wouldn't buy either one right now. They're both still pretty expensive, and neither has many games yet. Wait for a price drop.
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If you have to between those two: PS4.
But I would go with PC. Why? Last generation I would have supported Sony and I know this is a bit nitpicking but I'm really mad that I can't play my PSN (at least that bros) on my PS4. I got like 40+ PSN games and that is terrible.
Honestly now-a-days I play 95% of my games on PC. Hard to go back to consoles and their limitations.
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If you have to between those two: PS4.
But I would go with PC. Why? Last generation I would have supported Sony and I know this is a bit nitpicking but I'm really mad that I can't play my PSN (at least that bros) on my PS4. I got like 40+ PSN games and that is terrible.
Honestly now-a-days I play 95% of my games on PC. Hard to go back to consoles and their limitations.
^^ This. PS4 and XB1, Meh and double meh. As a Sega fan, neither are interesting. WiiU and PC all the way.
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PS4 has more potential because Microsoft is going to botch their Japanese market again.
At the moment I would sit it out. They are both too young and you will just get cross-generation titles.
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Wii U is the true next gen console.
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No, but seriously, I'd wait it out. That's what I'm doing. At the moment, I'm leaning towards PS4, but no way to I have the time to play one nor the money set aside.
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If you have to between those two: PS4.
But I would go with PC. Why? Last generation I would have supported Sony and I know this is a bit nitpicking but I'm really mad that I can't play my PSN (at least that bros) on my PS4. I got like 40+ PSN games and that is terrible.
Honestly now-a-days I play 95% of my games on PC. Hard to go back to consoles and their limitations.
PSN PS3 games were still built for the CELL processor, just like retail games. If Sony including backwards compatibility for PS3 games the price of the PS4 would be like $550 right now, because they would of needed to include PS3 hardware in the PS4 box, not to mention the PS4 would be one monster of a box!
It's a choice they made early on to leave out PS3 BC, a smart choice no doubt. XBOX One is the same way, it can't play old XBOX 360 games because they are a different architecture then x86.
but it's not all bad, i know like with Flower, Sony made a PS4 version, and if you already own the PS3 or Vita version you already own the PS4 version. of course that's not all PS3 PSN games, but it shows they aren't trying to rip you off and makes you pay for things you already own again.
Theres a rumor floating around that native local based PS1/PS2 emulated BC is coming in a patch for PS4 in the future:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=105962159&postcount=778
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WII U is pretty cool :-X
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Wii U will get the best 1st party stuff IMO. I'll confidently say that.
The problem is, Wii U has a shaky future and lacking retail 3rd party so nobody wants to recommend it. It'll get great stuff, but like the other two the longer you wait the better.
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If Nintendo ever gets it through their heads that their touchscreen isn't a game-changer, they could stop bundling it with their system and cut $100 off the unit price. That would probably spur some sales.
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Best they can do is make it optional, they are not getting rid of it. A redesign of the thing for retail purchase.
I wouldn't want them to get rid of the thing, it is like getting rid of the console's personality. It is a failed attempt, but I respect them more they stick with it.
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Xbox One.
I'm more than confident that MS will get great Japanese support on this console. Most developers these days are releasing games on multiple platforms, so i'm sure the Xbox One won't lack support in that department. We are getting FFXV and KHIII on Xbox One, it's just a start really.
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If Nintendo ever gets it through their heads that their touchscreen isn't a game-changer, they could stop bundling it with their system and cut $100 off the unit price. That would probably spur some sales.
They already established it with the ds and 3ds, so the people who have those handhelds already know the value of it. I'd say it's more like an established extra rather than the focus. The wii u gamepad is a traditional controller with a screen. The bad part is that it caused a console with the specs it has to be more expensive than it should have been for a lot of people. I saw the apeal of an extra screen from day one, problem is nintendo hasnt made a lot of things which i hoped true yet. RPG's could benefit a lot for example.
I won't recommend it to everyone, but If you're looking for a specific kind of library that's not catered on the other platforms, then the wii u is a definite reccomendation.
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Xbox One.
I'm more than confident that MS will get great Japanese support on this console. Most developers these days are releasing games on multiple platforms, so i'm sure the Xbox One won't lack support in that department. We are getting FFXV and KHIII on Xbox One, it's just a start really.
Companies like Tecmo, Sega and Namco aren't releasing various series on XBOX. That's something Sony has an edge over.
That said, Microsoft did secure some interesting stuff. They already got Swery to make a game on One after all.
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The X-box one
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No really, I don't even care, Gates should have fired them all, and even boot the woman, who can't even hold her head high, in pride of the Japanese calling it the naughty naughty box.
The Wii-U has already won, all they need is the creative content. After seeing that BS with SonicU, if I was a game person, and had two choose between the lesser evil, the Wii would win.
Everything on the PS, will be ported to PC. The only reason I would buy a PS, is to play online with my PS only buddies, but I just do not want that, I want to dominate all these kids, who are playing Smash brothers as well.
That is how laughable it is all. I do not even care, I have a PC, and it cost less then one hundred dollars. Now a person with a real income, could probably buy one that costs over $5,000.
Wii-U.......omgsh it has Sonic in Link tights.
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Between PS4 and Xbox One: PS4 by a long shot. Better price, better hardware, better exclusives, Playstation Plus, no Microsoft to potentially fuck you over big time.
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As of right now, there's no way PS4 has better exclusives than Xbox One.
Kuro - I'm not seeing a lot of support from those companies on PS4 either, maybe PS3. I doubt Sega will play favorites in this case. We'll probably see a lot of porting between these two for most third parties.
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They already established it with the ds and 3ds, so the people who have those handhelds already know the value of it. I'd say it's more like an established extra rather than the focus. The wii u gamepad is a traditional controller with a screen. The bad part is that it caused a console with the specs it has to be more expensive than it should have been for a lot of people. I saw the apeal of an extra screen from day one, problem is nintendo hasnt made a lot of things which i hoped true yet. RPG's could benefit a lot for example.
I won't recommend it to everyone, but If you're looking for a specific kind of library that's not catered on the other platforms, then the wii u is a definite reccomendation.
There's a difference between a touchscreen on a console and one on a portable where both screens are literally right next to eachother. Besides, the Wii was underpowered too. That didn't stop its stupid gimmick from catching on. The casual gamers just aren't there anymore. They're all playing Angry Birds and Farmville now. Traditional gamers could give a shit about motion controls or touchscreens on their consoles. I don't think Move is even supported on PS4.
As of right now, there's no way PS4 has better exclusives than Xbox One.
Kuro - I'm not seeing a lot of support from those companies on PS4 either, maybe PS3. I doubt Sega will play favorites in this case. We'll probably see a lot of porting between these two for most third parties.
Both systems only have a handful of games right now. Microsoft's biggest "exclusive" isn't even actually an exclusive. It's available on PC.
Titanfall also runs on the Source engine which is really oudated at this point, and yet Respawn can only get the game to run at 792p on the Xbox. ::)
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PS4 supports PS Move. Infact, PS4 controllers have a PS Move component built right into them! That shiny light!
Anyways, I agree. a big touch screen controller for a console wasn't a very great idea. Companion apps for tablets were cool for a while, but you notice that even those faded out, no one wants to use a screen separate from their TV screen for very long.
All Nintendo has been doing as of the last 5 years is trying to cash in on gimmicks and failing. That's not being innovative, not at all. That's throwing stuff against a wall and hoping something sticks. In the case of the Wii, they got lucky, Wii u... not so lucky.
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There's a difference between a touchscreen on a console and one on a portable where both screens are literally right next to eachother. Besides, the Wii was underpowered too. That didn't stop its stupid gimmick from catching on. The casual gamers just aren't there anymore. They're all playing Angry Birds and Farmville now. Traditional gamers could give a shit about motion controls or touchscreens on their consoles. I don't think Move is even supported on PS4.
Both systems only have a handful of games right now. Microsoft's biggest "exclusive" isn't even actually an exclusive. It's available on PC.
Titanfall also runs on the Source engine which is really oudated at this point, and yet Respawn can only get the game to run at 792p on the Xbox. ::)
Well, it's a console exclusive, not a lot of us game on PC and prefer consoles instead. Dead Rising 3 is another pretty big exclusive for the Xbox One and it's easily better than anything Sonys got right now, with the exception of maybe Infamous.
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Well, it's a console exclusive, not a lot of us game on PC and prefer consoles instead. Dead Rising 3 is another pretty big exclusive for the Xbox One and it's easily better than anything Sonys got right now, with the exception of maybe Infamous.
No matter how you look at it, two games at the very beginning of a new generation don't make much of a difference in the long run. Sony is better positioned for long term success. They have more influence over third parties than Microsoft, and their hardware will hold up better over time. If your system has trouble running a Source game at the very beginning of its life, how's it going to handle more advanced games two, three, four years down the road?
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Honestly there is more to factor into this, most likely Titanfall got rushed. You can tell by how little content the actual game has and lack of single player campaign. I think judging the Xbox One's power on this game is like judging the PS2 on its launch library, which it totally exceeded.
As for people that don't play on PC, I feel bad for ya son!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=743719&page=11
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Honestly there is more to factor into this, most likely Titanfall got rushed. You can tell by how little content the actual game has and lack of single player campaign. I think judging the Xbox One's power on this game is like judging the PS2 on its launch library, which it totally exceeded.
As for people that don't play on PC, I feel bad for ya son!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=743719&page=11 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=743719&page=11)
I might have bought that argument if resolution issues weren't plaguing so many other Xbox One titles. From what it sounds like though, Respawn got all they could get out of the system without tapping into the eSRAM. Now that they're allowed to use it, they should be able to get the game up to 900p. IIRC, 1080p may even be within reach if they forgo certain filters like anti-aliasing.
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Honestly there is more to factor into this, most likely Titanfall got rushed. You can tell by how little content the actual game has and lack of single player campaign.
It seemingly started development in May 2010 (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/04/23/four-more-join-infinity-ward-exodus-seven-respawn.aspx) and it was first mentioned by EA at E3 2011, so it's been in development for 3-4 years. Doesn't sound like they rushed it.
I think judging the Xbox One's power on this game is like judging the PS2 on its launch library, which it totally exceeded.
Same for just about every other console, including the PS4 and the Wii U. When games on Xbox One will look more impressive, PS4 games will probably look better as well.
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There's a difference between a touchscreen on a console and one on a portable where both screens are literally right next to eachother. Besides, the Wii was underpowered too. That didn't stop its stupid gimmick from catching on. The casual gamers just aren't there anymore. They're all playing Angry Birds and Farmville now. Traditional gamers could give a shit about motion controls or touchscreens on their consoles. I don't think Move is even supported on PS4.
Imho you're making it alot more complicated than it should be. Video game platforms are about the games. If you like what its offering, get it. If you don't, well don't. All im hoping is see nintendo improve their Operating system and online service. The latter seems to mean alot more to other people than me. Im fine so far and looking forward to wii u's future. And I like to root for the underdog I guess. a console with great potential
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I've heard that the One's RAM is easier to programme for, but I'm going for PS4 (since I own one).
I bought the PS4 on the promise of third party games, but it seems that the West are supporting it much more than the Japanese. I just hope it gets more Japanese support than currently, seems that they are still struggling with HD for whatever reason. :\
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Hey, I'm with you SaturnMemories and TimmiT, I'm not really suggesting anyone buy a Xbox One, but judging the console based on Titanfall just because it ran in the source engine is kinda naive, considering how early its into the life of the console (less than 6 months).
You think that the Xbox One version was in the works for 4 years? You think the Xbox One platform was 100% back then? Considering that they only announced a next generation version in 2013? Did you know that the team is actually really small compared to other big studios? 65 people, making 3 versions, one ver on new hardware.
Also they chose the source engine because it would be easier to get up and running on PS3/360 (see Portal 2 running on PS3).
"We were kind of interested in Source early on because it’s very familiar to our designers. The ironic thing is that we wanted an engine that would work on PS3, because that’s the riskiest platform in current gen. When Portal 2 came out and it seemed to be a pretty decent PS3 game, that was the point when we decided to go with Source. And then we stopped supporting PS3."
http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/12/4419110/titanfall-respawn (http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/12/4419110/titanfall-respawn)
Titanfall isn't a true next generation title, like stated before its running on an old engine so it can run on old hardware. Even in the interview above they said 'Next Gen' will push it a little further.
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Exactly, XOne will have no problem keeping up with PS4 visually. I doubt there will be a huge difference with ports down the line.
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Hey, I'm with you SaturnMemories and TimmiT, I'm not really suggesting anyone buy a Xbox One, but judging the console based on Titanfall just because it ran in the source engine is kinda naive, considering how early its into the life of the console (less than 6 months).
You think that the Xbox One version was in the works for 4 years? You think the Xbox One platform was 100% back then? Considering that they only announced a next generation version in 2013? Did you know that the team is actually really small compared to other big studios? 65 people, making 3 versions, one ver on new hardware.
Also they chose the source engine because it would be easier to get up and running on PS3/360 (see Portal 2 running on PS3).
"We were kind of interested in Source early on because it’s very familiar to our designers. The ironic thing is that we wanted an engine that would work on PS3, because that’s the riskiest platform in current gen. When Portal 2 came out and it seemed to be a pretty decent PS3 game, that was the point when we decided to go with Source. And then we stopped supporting PS3."
http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/12/4419110/titanfall-respawn (http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/12/4419110/titanfall-respawn)
Titanfall isn't a true next generation title, like stated before its running on an old engine so it can run on old hardware. Even in the interview above they said 'Next Gen' will push it a little further.
Wasn't really trying to say that the Xbox One version specifically wasn't rushed. Clearly it could have been a lot better. I'm saying that they probably had enough time to make the game. Also, to be clear, Respawn isn't handling the Xbox 360 version of Titanfall. And I'm not sure about the "using the Source engine so it can run on older hardware" thing, seeing how you do need a decent PC to run it. The game is barely playable at all on low settings at 1280x720, and it can run pretty much every other Source game just fine. If their intention with using the Source engine was to have old hardware run the game, then they have seriously failed at this.
Exactly, XOne will have no problem keeping up with PS4 visually. I doubt there will be a huge difference with ports down the line.
Not sure how George's point about Titanfall means that this will happen. Like I said, while the visuals on Xbone will no doubt improve as developers will have more experience developing for the system, the same goes for PS4. Unless they're going to limit the PS4 version to what the Xbox One version can do, the difference will probably be the same down the line.
While the hardware in the Xbox 360 and PS3 were similar in what they could do, back then the difference in quality was there because the PS3 was harder to develop for. As developers got more familiar with developing for the console, the difference in quality of multiplatform games began to drop. This time it's because the Xbox One simply has inferior hardware. The only way of there being no difference in quality is if the game's graphics don't get the most out of what the PS4 can do or if the developer is better at making games on the Xbone than on the PS4. It's a similar situation as the PS2 being inferior to the Xbox and Gamecube when it comes to hardware. Or the Dreamcast to the PS2.
Simply put: if a game is released on both the PS4 and Xbox One and it gets the most out of both consoles, the PS4 version will always stand out on top.
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Wasn't really trying to say that the Xbox One version specifically wasn't rushed. Clearly it could have been a lot better. I'm saying that they probably had enough time to make the game. Also, to be clear, Respawn isn't handling the Xbox 360 version of Titanfall. And I'm not sure about the "using the Source engine so it can run on older hardware" thing, seeing how you do need a decent PC to run it. The game is barely playable at all on low settings at 1280x720, and it can run pretty much every other Source game just fine. If their intention with using the Source engine was to have old hardware run the game, then they have seriously failed at this.
Not sure how George's point about Titanfall means that this will happen. Like I said, while the visuals on Xbone will no doubt improve as developers will have more experience developing for the system, the same goes for PS4. Unless they're going to limit the PS4 version to what the Xbox One version can do, the difference will probably be the same down the line.
While the hardware in the Xbox 360 and PS3 were similar in what they could do, back then the difference in quality was there because the PS3 was harder to develop for. As developers got more familiar with developing for the console, the difference in quality of multiplatform games began to drop. This time it's because the Xbox One simply has inferior hardware. The only way of there being no difference in quality is if the game's graphics don't get the most out of what the PS4 can do or if the developer is better at making games on the Xbone than on the PS4. It's a similar situation as the PS2 being inferior to the Xbox and Gamecube when it comes to hardware. Or the Dreamcast to the PS2.
Simply put: if a game is released on both the PS4 and Xbox One and it gets the most out of both consoles, the PS4 version will always stand out on top.
Timmi, Xbox One and PS4 aren't like previous consoles. They're pretty much x86 PCs--underpowered PCs but PCs nonetheless. There really isn't any learning curve here. If you know how to program for a PC, you know how to program for both of these systems. The sort of improvements you've come to expect from previous generations won't be happening here. The only developers who might be behind the curve are Japanese. PC gaming isn't as popular over there.
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Timmi, Xbox One and PS4 aren't like previous consoles. They're pretty much x86 PCs--underpowered PCs but PCs nonetheless. There really isn't any learning curve here. If you know how to program for a PC, you know how to program for both of these systems. The sort of improvements you've come to expect from previous generations won't be happening here. The only developers who might be behind the curve are Japanese. PC gaming isn't as popular over there.
When comparing it to PS2/Xbox/Gamecube, I meant more in the way that there's a difference in how powerful the hardware is. Also, "The sort of improvements you've come to expect from previous generations won't be happening here" is the entire point I was trying to make. :V
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Arguments that people have been making this gen about visuals for PS4 and XOne are exactly the same ones people were making last gen. Regardless of what people may say, there wasn't a huge visual difference, with the exception of a few games like Uncharted and Beyond.
Even with the better hardware that the PS4 is supposed to have, it can't even run Killzone multiplayer at native 1080p, 60fps..
http://news.yahoo.com/sony-shamed-lying-playstation-4-owners-164047780.html (http://news.yahoo.com/sony-shamed-lying-playstation-4-owners-164047780.html)
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I've got em both. As a system, if it wasn't so damn glitchy, I much prefer the Xbox One. That said, neither has anything worth playing at the moment other than Titanfall if that's your thing.
EDIT: Well okay okay PS4 has Towerfall Ascension and that is the greatest game ever in my opinion if you have friends to play it with. But that's also on Steam. And the older version is on Ouya.
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I do like the idea of the console being in the background.
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The Xbox One only launches in Portugal 'round September, so for a while I've been very much leaning on PS4 all the way.
Heck, I've been almost always pro-PS4 ever since last E3.
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When comparing it to PS2/Xbox/Gamecube, I meant more in the way that there's a difference in how powerful the hardware is. Also, "The sort of improvements you've come to expect from previous generations won't be happening here" is the entire point I was trying to make. :V
Could've saved myself a lot of typing if I had read more than your first two paragraphs. :P
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Arguments that people have been making this gen about visuals for PS4 and XOne are exactly the same ones people were making last gen. Regardless of what people may say, there wasn't a huge visual difference, with the exception of a few games like Uncharted and Beyond.
Did you just ignore all the parts where I said that the arguments aren't the same? Last gen it was one console being harder to develop for. This gen it's one console being less powerful.
The visual difference between multi-platform Xbox 360 and PS3 games wasn't as big later on, but that was because developers got used to developing for the PS3. That isn't going to happen with the Xbox One because the hardware isn't as capable as the hardware in the PS4.
Even with the better hardware that the PS4 is supposed to have, it can't even run Killzone multiplayer at native 1080p, 60fps..
http://news.yahoo.com/sony-shamed-lying-playstation-4-owners-164047780.html (http://news.yahoo.com/sony-shamed-lying-playstation-4-owners-164047780.html)
It actually does run at 1080p, but it uses a loophole to achieve that. And that's a lot of what making games look pretty on consoles is about: using loopholes. In the end, the way they did it doesn't make the game look much worse than if it ran at 1080p without the loophole. It taking such a long time for people to notice shows that. The way they did it is actually pretty impressive.
Besides that, if you want to point out that one launch game on PS4 can't even run part of a game at native 1080p, I can point out plenty of launch games for the Xbox One that don't run at native 1080p at all. :V
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I don't understand how this gen is any different. Sure the PS4 isn't as difficult to develop for, but even then, X360 was weaker than the PS3 and multi games still didn't have a huge noticeable difference. The XOne may be slightly inferior, but the difference between games this gen will probably be what FFXIII looked like on X360 compared to PS3, which isn't a big deal.
Call that loophole amazing if you'd like, but i'm not one to commend someone for lying to their fanbase. I'm not saying MS doesn't do the same thing because everyone is guilty of doing it every once in a while.
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I know, especially how we are like 'OMG THIS GAME DOES NOT RUN AT 1080p'
yes, its a launch title. I can name you a ton of broken launch games that don't represent the console well. Rushed games happen, even on PC. Its like someone condemning PC gaming because of the Dark Souls port.
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I don't understand how this gen is any different. Sure the PS4 isn't as difficult to develop for, but even then, X360 was weaker than the PS3 and multi games still didn't have a huge noticeable difference. The XOne may be slightly inferior, but the difference between games this gen will probably be what FFXIII looked like on X360 compared to PS3, which isn't a big deal.
I'm going to wait and see for what the difference will be with later games. However, I wouldn't expect anything equal to last gen, as the difference is quite a bit bigger (aside from the CPU) this time around. (http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1028/10280352/2376782-5454348661-xbox-.png)
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Quite honestly, i feel like it's too early to tell. I guess we'll just wait and see, should make for an interesting discussion down the line.
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You know what? I'm a bit happy there isn't going to be a huge leap in differences. If the games play 100% the same, I'm OK with that. It lets us judge a console based on exclusives. So come on Sony, pump out some great Japanese goodness.
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At the moment there is no real "winner". I'd say Xbox One has the best exclusives right now, as well as the best looking game in Ryse, but at the moment even the Wii U has a better library so...not really much good to say about either system right now. Infamous Second Son is the first genuinely great PS4 game I've played, but it's also quite short for an open world game, and after the campaign is done there really isn't much to do, especially if you made taking out DUP bases a priority during the actual campaign. Knack is bleh and Killzone Shadowfall is okay, and in terms of digital offerings Resogun is okay but gets old pretty quickly. On the One there's Dead Rising 3, which remains one of my favorite games between the two systems despite some difficulty issues. There's also Ryse which is more fun then I thought it would be, and fills the role of glorified retail tech demo much better then Knack does. Finally, there's also Forza Motorsport, which is a fun racing game for casual racing fans like myself. Overall, there's just more meat and polish to the One games as opposed to the PS4 line up.
I think the eventual winner will obviously be the PS4, though. It's upcoming library looks more appealing, and it's dominance in the market place ought to guarantee a slew of excellent exclusives, especially from Japan. So if you ABSOLUTELY NEED one of these consoles now, PS4 is probably the best long term investment. Just prepare to let it gather dust for awhile once you've played through the few fun games currently on the system.
Frankly, the Vita and 3DS are both much better purchases right now. Vita is especially vital for prospective PS4 owners.
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Right now the exclusives on PS4 look more appealing to me, though the exclusives on Xbox One aren't much worse.
Dead Rising 3 looks like it could be fun, but it doesn't seem like it adds much to what was already in previous games aside from terrible brown visuals. Forza 5 looks like more Forza with prettier visuals, also less content than previous games and a shitton of microtransactions. So that's a pass for me. Ryse looks OK, even though the gameplay seems to be too automatic and linear. The visuals are technically impressive, but aesthetically it just looks incredibly generic. I'm still not impressed by action games that try to have more realistic visuals and it's part of why I rather go fighting games aside from Smash Bros, so while it's apparently a good game I'm not really interested in Killer Instinct.
As for PS4. Knack is an OK game, but certainly not worth getting at full price. Killzone: Shadow Fall is good, though it's also just yet another shooter. I love Resogun and I have replayed it a lot. inFamous: Second Son is really what puts the PS4 above the Xbox One when it comes to exclusives. The new traversal powers make the game more fun than previous inFamous games and the visuals are impressive while going for a look that's a mix of stylistic and realism.
As for upcoming exclusives. On PS4 there's Driveclub, The Order 1866 and Uncharted 4. While we haven't really seen anything for Uncharted, Driveclub and Order 1866 look like they could be fun and also have very impressive visuals. I also trust that Naughty Dog will do a good job with Uncharted, though the lead people recently being fired is kind of worrying. On Xbone there's Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break and Halo 5. Kind of a similar situation as PS4, though we haven't really seen any substantial gameplay of Sunset Overdrive and Quantum Break. They're both by great developers though and I love the style Sunset Overdrive has. As for Halo 5, I don't really feel the need for another installment in the series. Especially not after 343 decided to make the multiplayer more like Call of Duty. I also think that Remedy might release Quantum Break on PC later on like they did with the Alan Wake games.
But in general: both consoles have a good line-up of games incoming. Right now it seems like if you're only looking at the exclusives, it really depends on which kind of game you like. Aside from exclusives though, PS4 does just about everything gaming-related better and also has a better price.
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Well, I wouldn't say PS4 does gaming better. Graphical differences have proven insignificant so far. The lower price is a big plus, though the whole reason why the One is more expensive is because it comes with the Kinect and a better headset, something the PS4 package doesn't have an answer to. So it's not as if your only getting a slightly inferior machine for that price, your also getting more in the package. For whatever that's worth, anyway. I've yet to use the Kinect camera for gaming, so I'm not going to defend it's inclusion.
Really, in terms of functionality, the one place where PS4 has One beat is in how the installations work. When you buy a game on the PS4, it'll sometimes be made available instantly, and the longest I've ever waited for an installation is about 15 minutes? On One? When I first got it it took an hour before it would let me play Ryse. I don't know if it was the slow connection or what, but it should NEVER take a disc based game that long to FULLY install, let alone get to 21% and become fully playable.
PS4 also has superior social functions....probably....I never really use them so I can't really comment on that. Also why I'm not commenting on the merits of Kinect 2.0
In the end, I really only have two recommendations when it comes to getting into the next gen:
1. Don't do it now. It's not worth it. Most of the current library for both systems are available on the current generation of systems, and I know there are at least a couple big name games coming that our cross gen. Infamous Second Son led me back to using my PS4 for about a week, and now I've done everything there is to do and the system is back to gathering dust. These systems are NOT currently worth full price, and by the time they are they will probably be a lot cheaper. At least wait until the holiday season when we have games like Arkham Knight coming.
2. If you've got the money to burn, your better of spending it on games for consoles you already own. I'm sure there are plenty of hidden gems out there that you haven't bought yet. Research some reviews, play some demos. If you don't own some of the older systems like PS3, Xbox 360, 3DS, or Vita, they are each infinitely more valuable and worthwhile purchases then any of the next gen consoles right now.
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Knuckles, you think Ryse looks good? :/
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I think Ryse looks great. Definitely a game you show off to friends to introduce them to Next Gen.
I disagree with Nuckles a bit, I'd say if you've got cash to burn, jump into Next Gen. That's what I did, got a nice Xmas bonus and could afford one so I did and I don't regret it. Ryse and Dead Rising 3 alone made it well worth it.
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Compared to anything else currently available on home consoles, yes.
I think Ryse looks great. Definitely a game you show off to friends to introduce them to Next Gen.
I disagree with Nuckles a bit, I'd say if you've got cash to burn, jump into Next Gen. That's what I did, got a nice Xmas bonus and could afford one so I did and I don't regret it. Ryse and Dead Rising 3 alone made it well worth it.
Well certainly, if you have cash to BURN, why not. I have had fun with both my One and my 4. My problem is that the fun was fleeting, and there are plenty of better ways to spend $400-$500 if your strapped for cash.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UD_nNXWbSw
Last generation.
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Pretty sure that's running on a PC. It's like Nuckles said, Ryse looks great, for what's available on consoles right now.
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Well, I wouldn't say PS4 does gaming better. Graphical differences have proven insignificant so far. The lower price is a big plus, though the whole reason why the One is more expensive is because it comes with the Kinect and a better headset, something the PS4 package doesn't have an answer to. So it's not as if your only getting a slightly inferior machine for that price, your also getting more in the package. For whatever that's worth, anyway. I've yet to use the Kinect camera for gaming, so I'm not going to defend it's inclusion.
You act as if the Xbox One coming with a Kinect is a plus. Lots of people aren't really interested in the Kinect, including me. That Microsoft isn't selling an SKU without the Kinect is something I don't really get at all. Also, I'd say that there's a pretty significant difference in graphics, specifically when it comes to the resolution. With a lot of games that run at 1080p on PS4 that run at 900p or 720p on Xbox One. There doesn't seem to be a big difference in framerate with the exception of Tomb Raider, which runs at sub-30fps on Xbox One and 45-60fps on PS4.
Really, in terms of functionality, the one place where PS4 has One beat is in how the installations work. When you buy a game on the PS4, it'll sometimes be made available instantly, and the longest I've ever waited for an installation is about 15 minutes? On One? When I first got it it took an hour before it would let me play Ryse. I don't know if it was the slow connection or what, but it should NEVER take a disc based game that long to FULLY install, let alone get to 21% and become fully playable.
PS4 also has superior social functions....probably....I never really use them so I can't really comment on that. Also why I'm not commenting on the merits of Kinect 2.0
You forgot the part where the Xbox One requires an Xbox Live Gold subscription for things like Internet Explorer, Skype and video recording, while you only need Playstation Plus for online multiplayer on PS4. I'd say that's a pretty big difference as well.
In the end, I really only have two recommendations when it comes to getting into the next gen:
1. Don't do it now. It's not worth it. Most of the current library for both systems are available on the current generation of systems, and I know there are at least a couple big name games coming that our cross gen. Infamous Second Son led me back to using my PS4 for about a week, and now I've done everything there is to do and the system is back to gathering dust. These systems are NOT currently worth full price, and by the time they are they will probably be a lot cheaper. At least wait until the holiday season when we have games like Arkham Knight coming.
Agreed.
2. If you've got the money to burn, your better of spending it on games for consoles you already own. I'm sure there are plenty of hidden gems out there that you haven't bought yet. Research some reviews, play some demos. If you don't own some of the older systems like PS3, Xbox 360, 3DS, or Vita, they are each infinitely more valuable and worthwhile purchases then any of the next gen consoles right now.
Partially agreed, you forgot about the PC. :V
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Pretty sure that's running on a PC. It's like Nuckles said, Ryse looks great, for what's available on consoles right now.
But my PC runs Crysis 3 on ultra and most of the parts are like... from 2008/2009. Why should anyone even buy a Xbox one or PS4 when you can get a PC for the same price that is better than mine? You know, you get to actually run games at 1080p and at 60fps.
This game came out in 2007. Let that sink in.... now look at Ryse. Its last generation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtt9gMnm_l4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtt9gMnm_l4)
You can get a PC (no monitor) built for like 800 and in the long run save a shit ton of cash on steam sales. Crysis? I got it 3 dollars. Crysis 3? Part of a humble bundle (6 bucks for 10 games including Deadspace 3).
Its hard to go back to consoles after you get 1080p 60fps and up guaranteed if your hardware can run it (and running games at 1080p is easy for a cpu from 2007, imagine if I upgraded?)
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Crysis 3 looks really good, but i still think Ryse looks better. It's a great looking console game, i'm sure it doesn't measure to up to what current PC games can do, but i still don't mind being limited on Consoles.
(http://www.destructoid.com//ul/255985-Ryse1.jpg)
With me, it's all about Console exclusives. Games that i cannot get on a PC. I wouldn't mind having a great gaming rig, but i wouldn't be able to play all of the great exclusives that come out of buying an Xbox, PS4, or Nintendo Console.
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Crysis had more foliage, shadowing and better textures. Look at the lack of textures on the rocks. That and it runs at 900p, not even 1080p. Not sayying Ryse isn't a great looking game, it is, but technically its just a nice looking last gen PC game running on new hardware that can do way more.
We will see that game in 3 years and say "Wow, can't believe I thought it was amazing looking." I remember people praising the graphics on Resistance.
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Ryse: Press "A" to Awesome
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Ryse: Press "A" to Awesome
Nah, that's Asura's Wrath. Ryse is Press "A" to Generic.
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Crysis had more foliage, shadowing and better textures. Look at the lack of textures on the rocks. That and it runs at 900p, not even 1080p. Not sayying Ryse isn't a great looking game, it is, but technically its just a nice looking last gen PC game running on new hardware that can do way more.
We will see that game in 3 years and say "Wow, can't believe I thought it was amazing looking." I remember people praising the graphics on Resistance.
Well, there were a few levels with some of foliage and i thought they looked pretty good. I always thought the environments looked pretty good.
(http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/352/3/3/ryse___son_of_rome__microsoft___crytek____image_6_by_madmaximus83-d6xwa48.jpg)
I'm sure we'll eventually say it doesn't look all that great, but doesn't everyone say that when Next Gen comes around? I used to think Mario 64 looked incredible.
@ TimmitT - You ever play it?
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@ TimmiT - You ever play it?
Nah, but I've seen enough of it to know that it's too automated, with an incredibly boring look. It's technically impressive for a launch game, but being technically impressive doesn't mean good looking. You post that screenshot as if it's meant to be a good representation of the game's graphics, but to me it just looks like more of the same grey and brown look seen in Battlefield 4, Crysis, Assassin's Creed etc. The gameplay also doesn't look much more than QTEs. And while Asura's Wrath uses QTEs to make incredibly awesome shit happen, Ryse just uses it for unimaginative brutal kill animations that don't look much more special than the brutal kill animations in most other games.
Slightly off-topic, but trying to look realistic is probably one of the biggest problems with AAA games. Stylistic games could look far, far better with these impressive engines, yet they're mostly used to make games look more realistic. Even though games are still incredibly far from looking even close to realism. As a result, just a few of years games like Ryse will look like crap because there are more impressive looking games at that point. Meanwhile, games like The Wind Waker, Okami and even Uncharted 2 can be ported to new consoles while still looking amazing because they use their own art styles to compliment what can be done with their engines. Even inFamous Second Son uses good art style to accompany it's somewhat realistic visuals.
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Nah, but I've seen enough of it to know that it's too automated, with an incredibly boring look. It's technically impressive for a launch game, but being technically impressive doesn't mean good looking. You post that screenshot as if it's meant to be a good representation of the game's graphics, but to me it just looks like more of the same grey and brown look seen in Battlefield 4, Crysis, Assassin's Creed etc. The gameplay also doesn't look much more than QTEs. And while Asura's Wrath uses QTEs to make incredibly awesome shit happen, Ryse just uses it for unimaginative brutal kill animations that don't look much more special than the brutal kill animations in most other games.
Slightly off-topic, but trying to look realistic is probably one of the biggest problems with AAA games. Stylistic games could look far, far better with these impressive engines, yet they're mostly used to make games look more realistic. Even though games are still incredibly far from looking even close to realism. As a result, just a few of years games like Ryse will look like crap because there are more impressive looking games at that point. Meanwhile, games like The Wind Waker, Okami and even Uncharted 2 can be ported to new consoles while still looking amazing because they use their own art styles to compliment what can be done with their engines. Even inFamous Second Son uses good art style to accompany it's somewhat realistic visuals.
Well, if you'd play the the game you'd know that the QTE's are optional, you don't have to use them if you don't want to. I'm sorry, but i feel like you've got to at least play the game to give it a legit opinion. You can't really bash something without giving it a shot first. When people learned that QTE's would play a part in Ryse, the first thing they assumed is that it would be a QTE fest, and it's not.
As for Assassins Creed being brown, take a look at a few screenshots of IV, it really isn't all that bad, especially with the Caribbean setting and all.
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Again, that is opinion. While I generally agree with you Tim, this is about 'technically impressive' and while they are (Crysis, Ryse) I don't consider Crytek titles to be AAA titles. I find them more as 'tech demo' games. Same with Gears of War and Battlefield, they are selling a game and an engine.
Yeah, I have been playing Black Flag on PC and I was pretty impressed with what Ubisoft has really done with open world. I think its way... more interesting open world than GTAV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Tyi6tstq0
(aka not that brown).
Just play for the ship battles, honestly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twm7HzxJQyg
I don't think Assassins Creed abuses the brown filter as much as, lets say, Gears of War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjgEisc-Cs
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^ GTAV and ACBF are two completely different games that would be very difficult to compare. As far as the "brown filter" goes, I noticed that the last generation was not very great on PS3. The Xbox 360 was the choice of gamers in the U.S. It seems like the current generation wants the PS4 over the Xbox One. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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So far, yes, but its so early on in the race who knows. I would say Sony did a pretty good comeback the last few years after price drops and stuff and are continuing that change. Microsoft started getting more mainstream friendly and continued on Xbox One. Now they are changing up with Phil Spencer who has always been a big 'Games sell consoles' type guy.
I guess this E3 is a bit important in the console races.
Nintendo? OH I forgot about them.
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There's nothing on any new console I want. The money I might have spent on one of the new-fangled consoles, I'm instead re-buying an Amiga computer instead.
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There's nothing on any new console I want. The money I might have spent on one of the new-fangled consoles, I'm instead re-buying an Amiga computer instead.
Which model? I've always wanted an Amiga 500..
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There's nothing on any new console I want. The money I might have spent on one of the new-fangled consoles, I'm instead re-buying an Amiga computer instead.
Do you already have a PS3 or Xbox 360? If you do, then you can probably download retro games to the console. Of course, I do not think Amiga games would work. You could still try other systems that you might be interested in. I just thought you might want to save money by not buying the newer consoles. As for the poll, I would much rather prefer the PC games over the other consoles because computers will not need new and updated consoles for better graphics. When my computer dies, I can get a new one for more than half the cost of a new gaming console.
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The WiiU is the only "next-gen" console with good games right now. If you want graphics get a PC.
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But the Wii U doesn't have Trials Fusion!
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Which model? I've always wanted an Amiga 500..
The Amiga 500. I was going to get a 1200, but money's tight, and I have a lot of nostalgia for the Amiga 500. I'll be playing all the old games I played in High School and College in the 90's.
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The Amiga 500. I was going to get a 1200, but money's tight, and I have a lot of nostalgia for the Amiga 500. I'll be playing all the old games I played in High School and College in the 90's.
The 1200 has a better Easter egg.
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Well, mainly I was interested in playing A500 games. with the 1200 you have to download the using WHDLoads, and I want the real thing.
The 1200 has a better Easter egg.
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Well, mainly I was interested in playing A500 games. with the 1200 you have to download the using WHDLoads, and I want the real thing.
What games do you like on Amiga?
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A lot of Psygnosis ones., Shadow of the Beast trilogy, Agony, Amnios, Awesome, Ork. I love the Amiga version of Star Control.
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Sony's Press confrence is said to have leaked:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110974264&postcount=1
If they did this, would anyone change their mind and get on the PS4 hype train?
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Sony's Press confrence is said to have leaked:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110974264&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110974264&postcount=1)
If they did this, would anyone change their mind and get on the PS4 hype train?
"...but much of it is so specific that it’s hard to completely disbelieve it."
This really makes me wonder what that site thinks is reliable or not. It's specific so it's more likely to be true? How does that make any sense?
Also, I think Microsoft just won when it comes to exclusives for now by being the first to show a cartoony game that looks like a shitton of fun: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/05/08/see-sunset-overdrive-39-s-frenzied-gameplay-in-action.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/05/08/see-sunset-overdrive-39-s-frenzied-gameplay-in-action.aspx)
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Sony's Press confrence is said to have leaked:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110974264&postcount=1
If they did this, would anyone change their mind and get on the PS4 hype train?
Probably.. Uncharted 4.. Seriously, life wasn't the same for me after i beat the Trilogy. If there's any game that will make me buy a PS4, it's that one.
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Probably.. Uncharted 4.. Seriously, life wasn't the same for me after i beat the Trilogy. If there's any game that will make me buy a PS4, it's that one.
While that list is likely fake, Uncharted 4 was already announced at the end of last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SnJPTkrD7o
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I owned Uncharted and played a little of it, but I didn't like it and got rid of it.
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I like Uncharted because it was a new version of Indiana Jones. Tho I do wish they didn't make him a mass murderer each game.
Sunset Overdrive might be good... but when was the last time Naughty Dog didn't deliver a good game?
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I like Uncharted because it was a new version of Indiana Jones. Tho I do wish they didn't make him a mass murderer each game.
Sunset Overdrive might be good... but when was the last time Naughty Dog didn't deliver a good game?
Jak 2 is a terrible game. :V
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I like Uncharted because it was a new version of Indiana Jones. Tho I do wish they didn't make him a mass murderer each game.
Sunset Overdrive might be good... but when was the last time Naughty Dog didn't deliver a good game?
Critics fawned all over Last of Us, but it's really not much of a game if you ask me...