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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: CrazyT on September 08, 2015, 03:52:23 am
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So it seems a lot of people(nintendo fans for example) are already looking forward to the next thing Nintendo does, hoping it to be more succesful than the WII U.
I know I shouldnt take my own feelings into this because a lot of people dont care about the state of the companies outside of the internet, and could just as easy be convinced once again if Nintendo drops something appealing.
Its just that I personally dont care and think a lot of gamers dont. I feel like their next thing could be destined to fail if they just drop it, despite how amazing it could be. This mainly because of the WII U and how nintendo handled and dissapointed with it. I mean they didnt even try to redeem themselves in the long run. Last E3 should have shown some sort of swan song(s) for the WII U to anticipate players and give Nintendo some positive mindshare, but instead they just poured salt on the wounds
Me at least, I will not spend any money on a new nintendo console untill its death. And I think this may be the case for many after the WII U. I cant really imagine how their next thing could be a succes with them having lost so much appeal in in the console space. Maybe they should just go fully handheld?
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Wii U was the first Nintendo console I bought brand new (NES was a garage sale in 2004, Wii was used from Gamestop in 2010), and Nintendo's inability to gain third party support or even support the console well enough themselves has turned me off from ever buying the NX new. Fool me once, Nintendo!
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No. Nintendo should have just stick to handhelds ever since the Nintendo 64.
The Wii is an exception because it was marketed as a fitness machine. Every single Nintendo console after the SNES has underachieved. They are only held in such high regard because americans pop a boner everytime Nintendo let's go a fart that kinda smells like digested Mario 64 and/or Ocarina of Time because modern day America sucks to the point everyone pretends they still live in the 90s and Nintendo is cool.
Everywhere else, Nintendo makes good handhelds and consoles for 3 year olds.
Am I generalizing? No.
The Wii U has sold less than the Dreamcast. Hell, it has sold less than the Game Gear did 20 years ago when the market was 100 times smaller.
And (stupid) people say the GG was a failure.
So let's just NOT pretend that history won't repeat itself this time and completely ignore whatever botched distorted vision they have of what videogame fans want.
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They are only held in such high regard because americans pop a boner everytime Nintendo let's go a fart that kinda smells like digested Mario 64 and/or Ocarina of Time because modern day America sucks to the point everyone pretends they still live in the 90s and Nintendo is cool.
Well that's nice.
Anyways. Yeah i'm excited to hear about what Nintendo does next. Is it because they're Nintendo? No, it's because whenever one of the big 3 has something new to unveil, it's exciting news for the industry.
The Wii U left me wanting more. I've been a fan of Nintendo's for years, but the Wii U was the first time i really stopped caring and felt ripped off. Because i purchased it so soon into it's life, i feel like i was tricked into believing that Nintendo would get it right this time and damn was i wrong.
I'll hold out on the NX and see what kind of 1st and 3rd party support it gets, if any. The first year should be a pretty good indication of which way things will be going for it. Depending on how things are played out, it could very well be a console i don't purchase at all. Which would be the first Nintendo console i won't be buying, ever.
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No offence bro, I was talking mainstream america and people who buy Nintendo for the sake of being Nintendo
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Nintendo still crafts highly polished games, their consoles just can't pack a punch. They have had issues with their consoles feeling too 'behind times' and it seems NX will be the first step towards fixing those issues: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html
Also them calling it a platform makes me think its not what we are expecting.
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No offence bro, I was talking mainstream america and people who buy Nintendo for the sake of being Nintendo
Lol, alright, none taken. =)
I'm still really confused about what the NX will be. Nintendo is hell bent on releasing Hardware for their software, so i don't doubt that it'll be a console of sorts. I still think it'll be both a handheld and console that will be able to play the same software.
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If it has good games?
Yes.
Wow, that was easy.
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I don't doubt good games, but I really can't put support behind yet another console where the only quality titles are first party and are drip fed over the course of the console's lifespan.
Look at the SEGA Dreamcast, TONS of great first and third party games released over the short span of only two years. Despite its early death, the Dreamcast has a far better library than the Wii U has currently.
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Don't care. I imagine it's going to provide good entertainment though on big videogame websites where fans run wild. It already has and we don't even know it's official name.
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I don't doubt good games, but I really can't put support behind yet another console where the only quality titles are first party and are drip fed over the course of the console's lifespan.
The last time anyone bought a Nintendo console with a good balance between third party and first party in mind, processors couldn't go over 64 bits. You buy Nintendo consoles for the same reason you used to buy Sega consoles. To play first party games.
While the WiiU was a botched return to core gaming in more ways than one (Main one being the crappy support overall of established Nintendo series), it's still a much more distinct console than the third party copy paste, echo chamber battle that the Xbone and PS4 are having. Everyone's still starving for those exclusives and those console purchases are almost completely driven by brand loyalty. It's insane. At least with the WiiU you're getting mostly what you want, sequels to some of the Ninty franchises you love and new IPs, some of them pretty shitty (Devil's Third) and others pretty amazing (Splatoon). And for all the negativity and shitty execution, I'll always cherish my WiiU for the sole reason of Nintendo spearheading the Bayonetta sequel, something that Sega wasn't willing to fork the cash for, which is pretty ironic since Bayo 2 still presented a parade of Sega homages after Bayo 1 which was almost a love letter to old Sega games.
Anyway, they're teasing Super Mario Galaxy 3 for the NX and that shit alone would be enough for me to consider a purchase. Pinnacle of 3D platforming, man. 3D World was nice but ultimately disappointing compared to the previous Galaxy games.
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Nope. Sure, it'll have some decent games on it, but at this point Nintendo have become completely irrelevant to me. They've also ignored/butchered so many of the games I liked from them too. Starfox has been poor since 64, Zelda is...okay, no real Pokemon RPG, but the biggest loss for me was Rare.
It's a shame, as growing up (90s) I absolutely adored the pokemon series and it plays a huge part in my childhood. It gave me some really happy memories.
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The Nintendo 3DS is the best "Sega console" of recent times, so I'm inclined to be interested if the NX turns out to be some portable thing tho.
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Anyways. Yeah i'm excited to hear about what Nintendo does next. Is it because they're Nintendo? No, it's because whenever one of the big 3 has something new to unveil, it's exciting news for the industry.
Put me on this boat as well. If the big N is intent on moving the chains forward or what not, then that means the other 2 either have time to adjust or might move up their time tables. Last thing we need is another 8 year generation. Doesn't mean I'll be buying one of course.
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The Wii U has sold less than the Dreamcast. Hell, it has sold less than the Game Gear did 20 years ago when the market was 100 times smaller.
And (stupid) people say the GG was a failure.
So I saw this and completely thought "This is absolute horse poop!" Lo and behold I looked it up, in the 28 months of the Dreamcasts production it has sold 10.6 million units, while the Wii U in its 34 months has sold only 10.01 million. In the nearly 6 years game gear had life it sold 11 million units. Looking at the numbers it just astonishes me that most people consider Dreamcast a failure and was Sega's last console. Hell if they rode it out like Nintendo did with the Wii U and put out some wicked mad games, I am sure it could have competed more efficiently with PS2.
As far as being excited for the next thing from Nintendo. No, I honestly cannot say that I am. I am not even excited about XBO or PS4, and doubt I will ever buy one. I cannot justify, unlike most people, spending $250+ to play 3-4 games that I have to pay $40-60 for. If I do buy any new console, it will be the Wii U, and that will be when the NX comes out and the Wii U and a plethora of its library is in the bargain bin at your local Walmart.
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Hell if they rode it out like Nintendo did with the Wii U and put out some wicked mad games, I am sure it could have competed more efficiently with PS2.
Maybe. But Sega was depleted of cash.
Lets not forget Nintendo handheld consoles are very very good, and sell millions. They can allow themselves to fail in the home console market. Sega could not.
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The last Nintendo console I really liked was the Gamecube... I own a Wii, my friend gave it to me free about a year after he bought it. It has a few good games but all in all, I don't dust it off often. I absolutely hate motion controls.
I'm not going to buy the Wii U, obviously... It's dead in the water not nearly enough games to attract me to it.
The NX? I doubt it will be more powerful than the other current consoles on the market and it'll be what? 3 or 4 years behind? At this point why would I bother? ESPECIALLY now that Nintendo have had a whiff of the money to be made on those god awful cheap plastic, Happy Meal looking Amiibo things... Am I going to be locked out of on disc content because I'm 28 and don't buy toys anymore? Am I fuck Nintendo! Am I fuck.
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I'm actually a bit concerned with the direction they'll now go under the new president. Nintendo before had their faults, but they knew how to hold a brand and make it last a ridiculously long time. With the Wii u flopping, they started using those brands on McDonald's toys, Amiibo's, iphone games etc for instant profit. If the new president doesn't understand that over saturation of a brand can kill it and goes for the easy buck, it could make things worse for Nintendo.
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If the new president doesn't understand that over saturation of a brand can kill it and goes for the easy buck, it could make things worse for Nintendo.
So basically Mario turns into Sonic.
I wish Sega and Nintendo realized that retro games are making a comeback, especially HD remakes. I recently booted up my SegaCD with Shining Force CD. If a new one came out, it would be the first game I would pay full price for since possibly 2008 when I got into digital distribution on Impulse. My friends even make fun of me for waiting 6mo+ to play a game because I won't pay more than $20 for anything.
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My friends even make fun of me for waiting 6mo+ to play a game because I won't pay more than $20 for anything.
Are you me.
Nintendo should dedicate to handhelds
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I've waited nearly 9 years for some Wii and DS games to drop in price... Mario 64 DS new was like $30 for the longest time, I finally had to hunt around on ebay for a used copy.
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I'm actually a bit concerned with the direction they'll now go under the new president. Nintendo before had their faults, but they knew how to hold a brand and make it last a ridiculously long time. With the Wii u flopping, they started using those brands on McDonald's toys, Amiibo's, iphone games etc for instant profit. If the new president doesn't understand that over saturation of a brand can kill it and goes for the easy buck, it could make things worse for Nintendo.
Nintendo has stated that they will not be altering any of the business decisions that were made under Iwata. Kimishima seems to be more of an interim, filling a spot for someone younger to come along and take the helm.
Kimishima is a business man, he's worked long years for a bank and even ran NoA at one point. Believe me, the guy knows what he's doing regardless of what Iwata had set in stone before him. He's got more experience working with the US Market than anyone at Nintendo, if anything, this is a good thing for a Company that has been struggling as much as they are.
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Michael Pachter seems to be saying that the NX could already be doomed
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pachter-nintendo-nx-is-doomed-without-third-party-backing/0159178 (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pachter-nintendo-nx-is-doomed-without-third-party-backing/0159178)
... without 3rd party. To me that sounds like it will already be doomed out of the box perhaps. I kind of agree with pachter here.
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That's always Nintendo's problem it seems. They really need to stop ignoring the needs of developers.
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I saw this very interesting bit at neogaf
http://www.sankei.com/west/news/1601...030012-n1.html
That's an interview (or rather a summary of one) with the Nintendo president.
He doesn't really mention many new stuff, Splatoon is doing well, amiibo is doing well, mobile game coming in March, 5 in development and My Nintendo stuff.
He does however, briefly talk about NX on how he wants to offer "A new way to play" and how the experience is meant to be different from what 3DS and Wii U are offering right now.
Now really all that interesting to make a thread about, but worth sharing.
It almost sounds like it may neither be a replacement for the 3DS or WII U. Them being so vague I just dont know what to think. You'd think it'd be a handheld before a console tho. Since when has nintendo replacde a console before replacing their handheld?
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They can't really support both and they merged their console/handheld studios into one about a year ago now. I'd be surprised if they don't make something completely different now and like rumoured, a device that acts as both or at least is easy to port from one to the other. Perhaps they're simply working on a programming library/framework...
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I agree. Imagine if they had to do that with even better hardware and even more required work. The 3DS and WII U is already too much for them. Some people are not only speculating about a hybrid, but they're expecting a hybrid with specs that are better than the wiiu. Maybe closer to an xbox one? But that sounds really expensive.
I have a feeling nintendo is cornered in this. They will HAVE to go in the direction of better hardware if they want easy access to ports. It is what most people are claiming to be a necessity for its succes. But who's gonna care at this point? It also goes against many things imo. For example what about their most succesful handheld branche? Maybe possibly the console will be able to play the hendheld games with slight improvements. But what about the handheld then? You cant go the other way. And nintendo's always designed console and handheld games differently. So you're able to play pokemon and other games on your TV then. Will that be the selling point? Also what about backwards compatibility if they're gonna change architecture. From gamecube through the wii u they've used similar architecture. For those who dont know, if you hack the WII U's BC wii menu, you can play gamecube games effortlesly from a hardware level, not emulation.
Its either these things or them just stubbornly going their own way again..
For some reason I think the NX may be a handheld thats gonna be able to handle wii u performance on a smaller resolution with a smaller formfactor. Sharing the wii u's architecture so games like zelda, of which people are speculating to come on NX, could be its launch title. I dunno man. Even what im saying now doesnt make sense.
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Hmm...interesting. I knew the Wii was practically just a repackaged GC, but not the Wii u. That's pretty silly if so. Technology has come on in heaps since those days. It'll be cost effective, but not a smart move overall as we've seen.
If the speculation of a one device is true, it's a very different position for Nintendo to be in. When it comes to hardware, they're usually quite happy to use cheaper components in order to make a profit. There's nothing wrong with that of course, but a one device system for both would require an awful lot more work from them. I'm no engineer, but I can see how they could pull it off though. I just can't see Nintendo doing it.
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My Bayonetta 2 player is the last Nintendo console I'll ever buy.
If Sega can be firm and consistent in porting their library to PC, it will be the last console of any kind I'll ever buy.
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I was cautiously optimistic about the Wii U, and ended up buying one about 2 years and 2 months ago. Overall, it hasn't really done much for me. I mean, I do use it for Hulu, Netflix, and streaming videos from my computer via Plex on the browser. But I could easily do all of this and more with Apple TV. So in terms of the actual Wii U, I rarely engage in Miiverse. Game-wise I played a bit of the Zelda remake/rerelease but grew tired of it. Mario 3D World was excellent, as was/is Bayonetta 2 (I'm still playing it). Mario Maker is fun, though i hate the timed unlocks. SEGA-wise, Sonic Lost World is good but not a game I return to often and I have no interest in the Olympics games or Rise of Lyric. I was never able to get into Wonderful 101, it's a great looking game but I grew tired of it. SMB Wii U was a freebie from Nintendo rewards and I hardly played that as well.
So 2 years 2 months later and I mainly use it for watching videos, and have only really enjoyed around 5 or so games on it.
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Barry you've pretty much listed out my experience with WiiU as well. Tried but couldn't get into W101 (ditto every other non-sega platinum game).
My friend twisted my arm to buy Xenoblade X which I'm sure is legitimately great, but it's collecting dust until I see everything and do everything twice in Yakuza 5. Even still I doubt that one game is going to change my feelings towards Nintendo at this point.
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Amazing that in 26 months Wii U gave me about 5 exclusive games I can say are must owns and defined the system, while the Dreamcast offered up a good few dozen games that I'd easily also name as must own exclusives. Granted I'm a SEGA fan, but the Dreamcast really didn't offer up many returning IPs from the SMS to Saturn era, it was mostly new IPs (Crazy Taxi, Shenmue, JSR, SC5, Seaman) with the returning IPs being greatly changed from their originals (PSO going MMO, Sonic Adventure going 3D). Not to mention the third party titles, especially Capcom's output. And just about every genre had at least 2-3 AAA titles.
As mentioned, I'm not a huge fan of Nintendo's franchises outside of Mario, but even then all I've ignored so far on Wii U was Pikmin 3, the Zelda remake (well, I own it, but it was bundled with the system), and Smash Bros. I'm racking my brain for longtime Nintendo IPs I've ignored, but none come to mind.
Point is, despite an early death, the Dreamcast felt worth it. The Wii U, meanwhile, has yet to feel worth it.
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You can add me to that list. I bought a Wii u and I've just struggled to finish a lot of the games I've bought for it. Zelda WW, SLW and Splatoon are probably the only ones I've finished. I found Mario Kart 8 really slow, annoying, and the tracks very meh. I got to a point in Donkey Kong and I just couldn't play anymore as the level design really bugged me, and although they are good, I do struggle with Mario games as they're just not for me really.
I have to say though, the SMW3D (awful name) game is probably the weakest I've seen from them. It reeked of "we need a Mario title on this now!". It just looked and played bland for me. A huge let down after Galaxy.
The next games I was looking forward to were Zelda and Starfox, but Starfox has been badly handled (again) and Zelda will probably be on the NX.
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If I do buy any new console, it will be the Wii U, and that will be when the NX comes out and the Wii U and a plethora of its library is in the bargain bin at your local Walmart.
So I want to point out that I lied in that statement. My brother bought a Wii U and nearly every game for it, I borrowed it and I have given most games a chance, and honestly nearly every game is absolute junk. They lack long term entertainment, by that I mean sitting for hours enjoying a single game. They also lack any replay-ability. This is even with multiplayer games. I still don't one a XBO or PS4, and still don't see myself getting either of those as well. But at least they have more enticing games.
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To get back on topic, does anyone think that nintendo can get a massive audience back? With that I mean the casual gamer. If not them, who else are they gonna built their succes on..?
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No. The casual audience is gone and i'm still not convinced Nintendo believes that as well. If this console doesn't appeal to the hardcore gamer, it will bomb, period. I know there are others out there that think Nintendo has to go niche/casual to survive, but the Wii U has proven that it's not a viable market anymore.
The NX must have 3rd party support, along with great exclusives in order to succeed. I still believe that there can be 3 consoles on the market that offer similar experiences and the exclusives will dictate their success. Plenty of people have thought that jumping into the market(ie Sony, MS) late in the game wasn't possible, but they've proven those theories wrong.
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Amazing that in 26 months Wii U gave me about 5 exclusive games I can say are must owns and defined the system, while the Dreamcast offered up a good few dozen games that I'd easily also name as must own exclusives. Granted I'm a SEGA fan, but the Dreamcast really didn't offer up many returning IPs from the SMS to Saturn era, it was mostly new IPs (Crazy Taxi, Shenmue, JSR, SC5, Seaman) with the returning IPs being greatly changed from their originals (PSO going MMO, Sonic Adventure going 3D). Not to mention the third party titles, especially Capcom's output. And just about every genre had at least 2-3 AAA titles.
As mentioned, I'm not a huge fan of Nintendo's franchises outside of Mario, but even then all I've ignored so far on Wii U was Pikmin 3, the Zelda remake (well, I own it, but it was bundled with the system), and Smash Bros. I'm racking my brain for longtime Nintendo IPs I've ignored, but none come to mind.
Point is, despite an early death, the Dreamcast felt worth it. The Wii U, meanwhile, has yet to feel worth it.
I would agree if not for Splatoon. That game is worth buying the console for alone.
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No. The casual audience is gone and i'm still not convinced Nintendo believes that as well. If this console doesn't appeal to the hardcore gamer, it will bomb, period. I know there are others out there that think Nintendo has to go niche/casual to survive, but the Wii U has proven that it's not a viable market anymore.
The NX must have 3rd party support, along with great exclusives in order to succeed. I still believe that there can be 3 consoles on the market that offer similar experiences and the exclusives will dictate their success. Plenty of people have thought that jumping into the market(ie Sony, MS) late in the game wasn't possible, but they've proven those theories wrong.
I agree. They need third party support. It'll be a real plus for them and it'll shake that image of them being just for kids.
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The people you guys are talking about (me also) are probably done with Nintendo hardware, whether there is third party or not. The nintendo only console owner doesnt exist anymore. Most of those guys always have another console or PC for those games. In most cases probably convinced like you guys, that Nintendo aint worth any investment because there's apparently no certainty. Nintendo as a brand has been damaged so much this gen its not something I think they can just easily get people back on board by just having third party. It needs to have a much better draw
I think there's 2 type of casual gamer. You have those who play mobile, and those who still play on consoles but only the more accesable or interesting games. Say Call of Duty and minecraft. Nintendo cant get neither on board imho. Lets say Nintendo has realized this and are trying to get the hardcore back on board. Is such a thing even possible now? I really dont think so honestly..
I have always been of the suggestion that Nintendo should have felt forced to do a PS3(or a 3ds to a lesser extent) this gen before starting a new console. Basically what I mean is support the WII U even if it meant sacrifising a lot of themselves(money). Try to satisfy the people who picked up their hardware as much as possible before going to the next one. Instead Nintendo even with its small installbase, has desperatly tried to suck even them dry with amiibos and shitty cashgrab games like Amiibo festival and Mario tennis power smash. Amazing.
Sony is now picking the fruits of the sacrifises they've made during the ps3 era. Major sacrifises and losses were made. But in return, sony gained respect and goodwill from the gamers. It was a perfect time to anounce the ps4 with the huge appreciation gained from ps3 owners, and now look at the results. Honestly when you look at it that way, there's few who would take such a long term lookout aproach in their business. Thats the best way to do it though honestly.
My point is, Nintendo is fucked outside of the most loyal nintendo fans. Trying to create something unique to catch attention from the average joe is pretty much something I expect them to do unless I overestimate the damage that has been done to Nintendo as a brand.
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Sony is just getting heated up, Sony always has weak software years like 1-3 years at the start of their hardware and then picks up the steam with releasing ton of great content. Like Uncharted 4 is BARELY coming out this year and its a few years old. Even without their big first party games (its been meh from them recently) their outselling the Xbone 2 to 1: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1168019
Think about that. Xbone actually has 3rd party support, not as strong as Sony but stronger than Nintendo. Now tell me how Nintendo will stop Sony's PS4? That console is just started to get heated up, Sony is a company that supports their home consoles strongly for over 8 years. Shoot, PS3 still gets some great titles stateside (Yakuza 5... if it counts).
Yeah, I think Nintendo is done. PC gaming is on the rise, Sony Playstation 4 is on the rise, and mobile is on the rise. The day of Nintendo selling 100 million+ handhelds is over.
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At least with the WiiU you're getting mostly what you want, sequels to some of the Ninty franchises you love and new IPs, some of them pretty shitty (Devil's Third) and others pretty amazing (Splatoon). And for all the negativity and shitty execution, I'll always cherish my WiiU for the sole reason of Nintendo spearheading the Bayonetta sequel, something that Sega wasn't willing to fork the cash for, which is pretty ironic since Bayo 2 still presented a parade of Sega homages after Bayo 1 which was almost a love letter to old Sega games.
I love my Wii U for Bayonetta 2, Splatoon and Pikmin 3, but I do wish Nintendo provided more 1st Party games with it.
In comparison to the Dreamcast (from Barry's post), it can be seen as putting your Eggs all in one basket there. SEGA had nothing to lose by that point (as a personal opinion, I almost bought one this month, but looking at their line up, most of the games can be found elsewhere with the other games still on the system not being enough to own one, at least for me), but Nintendo in this comparison does, so the Wii U is more of a risk for them to continue on with, which is fine, but I won't be getting the NX until I know where it stands. The ATLUS crossover game looks a little too campy for my tastes, but I hope the gameplay offers something not found anywhere else.
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You don't own a Dreamcast!? Get one now man!
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Put it this way, I won't be buying multiple consoles per generations... I prefer PC gaming these days and I will at some point pick up a console in each generation... And I seriously doubt a Nintendo console is going to be the one I choose to pick up.
Nintendo's saving grace is that they do every so often put out an excellent game, but their consoles aren't for me.
For a start if I buy a console I will probably first consider which has the most games available that interest me and while Nintendo consoles get all Nintendo games they never, not since the SNES get the most 3rd parties... And really, I only like a handful of Nintendo first party games.
Secondly, I was given a Wii not long after launch and from my experience with it I can safely say traditional controllers are preferred.
Third, Nintendo consoles are simply behind the times. What they offer for online play and online services is so far behind the competition, it's really pathetic and they tend to be the least powerful console on the market and of course they're region locked... I don't expect these things to change.
But I think the most off putting thing and what I reckon they want to focus heavily on is... Amiibo. I absolutely hate the anti-consumer way these things work. Lock on-disk content behind a toy? Fuck off. As I said in another thread recently, as a SEGA fan I don't even buy the really nice SEGA figures, so I'm sure as shit not buying cheap plastic Nintendo ones... Not to mention the trickled release to create false hype... All round disgusting.
tl;dr... No.
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I was excited for Twilight Princess HD, but if Nintendo NX continues this trend of amiibo paywalls, count me out.
Nintendo germany recently accidently early released a video about amiibo functionality in the game. There is content locked behind 3 different amiibos (a 45 dollar+ paywall on top of the main game in the US!)
Nintendo is quickly surpassing EA and Activision on the whole nickel and dimeing their customers dry aspect.
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Wow, that's bad!
The sad thing is, this entire industry will just lap it up as it's Nintendo.
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Here's a video
https://vid.me/qBwt (https://vid.me/qBwt)
Two of the amiibos are pretty redundant and are more of a case of "since you already have them". Another one adds a super hard mode on top of an already hard mode in the game, and the wolf amiibo that comes with the game adds a challenging trial similar to one already in the game, but you can only use the wolf the case.
I like the latter 2 additions, sucks that I need amiibos for them :) Wont buy
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I just roll my eyes when I see DLC type stuff like this. I have no interest. It's a shame though. I honestly thought Nintendo would be one of the few companies to do DLC right (where it's actually desired and worth it), but alas no.
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Me personally i've managed to hold back to most if not all of those awful developments. Its sad that some have become generally accepted. For example everytime my enthousiasm reaches highs to jump on one of the next gen consoles, I get reminded of paid online, which then makes a good case for me to wait it out a bit longer.
I wish Nintendo would just make an f2p amiibo game to give every amiibo at least a lot more worth in any case. Now it just feels like exploitation.
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I've only purchased the Sonic amiibo and the Mario 30th anniversary amiibo and plan to get Bayonetta. That's it, and I only bought them because I like the characters and or designs. I refuse to buy amiibo because it will unlock gameplay stuff. That's just stupid.
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You don't own a Dreamcast!? Get one now man!
I would if I can get one cheap but I can't find one at the moment between £30-£40 yet.
Regarding Nintendo, although I didn't really own many games during their SNES, N64 era, I do like what they did on the Gamecube/Wii despite a lack of third party games. I guess they cater to my taste as they tend to make more single player experiences and the few third party games they do get tend to be very good.
The Amiibo stuff is awful though, I wish the EU stomped down on the practise they are doing.
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I've only purchased the Sonic amiibo and the Mario 30th anniversary amiibo and plan to get Bayonetta. That's it, and I only bought them because I like the characters and or designs.
You just listed up the only reason why literally *everyone* buys amiibos. This is why Nintendo is making mad bank. No one actually cares about the gaming aspect of them, they just like *having* them. They're not obligatory to actually play the games they're associated with like Skylanders or Disneylanders or whatever the fuck those are called. That'd be suicide.
And that's something scary in and of itself. As bad as amiibos are, there's actually worse interactive toys out there.
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The one good think I can say about amiibos is that the designs are true to the original character designs and not some funky all-encompassing style. I'm really fed up with stuff like Pop! Vinyl and Disney Infinity where they fuck with character's designs to match an overriding style. I love Back to the Future, but I do not want a dead eyed Marty on my shelf. I love Star Wars, but I don't want some weird angular Han Solo.
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It does my nut thinking about the amount of flak SEGA/CA are getting for the FREE pre-order bonus faction in Warhammer Total War, ever after they explained in a very lengthy dev blog that it isn't cut content but made separately with extra funds they need to make back with the pre-orders.
While Nintendo are locking ON DISK content behind pricy pay walls... Fucking toys! And they get away with it with little resistance.
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Let's not excuse shitty practices because other companies have other shitty practices. Slicing an entire faction as DLC is nothing short of stupid. And as pre-order "bonus", at that. Creative Assembly always had greedy executions of DLC and that dumbass excuse doesn't cut it.
"We're making this core aspect of the game with...huh... some other money! Yeah, that's good! And we need to make that money back like, right now! Please Pre-order Warhammer Total War™ as much as you can!
And Amiibos are pretty reviled as DLC stations, even among Nintendo fans, so yeah.
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I think I would get it if the NX had Backwards Compatibility with every previous console, but it probably won't.
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I think the NX will be backwards compatible and will be one of the selling points. Nintendo did this whole thing about backwards and how the new console will make it easier. Might not play NES carts but it will have VC support.
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I think the NX will be backwards compatible and will be one of the selling points. Nintendo did this whole thing about backwards and how the new console will make it easier. Might not play NES carts but it will have VC support.
VC support...yeah. Nintendo do a great job of keeping that updated :)
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Let's not excuse shitty practices because other companies have other shitty practices. Slicing an entire faction as DLC is nothing short of stupid. And as pre-order "bonus", at that. Creative Assembly always had greedy executions of DLC and that dumbass excuse doesn't cut it.
"We're making this core aspect of the game with...huh... some other money! Yeah, that's good! And we need to make that money back like, right now! Please Pre-order Warhammer Total War™ as much as you can!
And Amiibos are pretty reviled as DLC stations, even among Nintendo fans, so yeah.
It's a shame CA do this really. They've shown that they can be a great studio with their back library and the superb Alien Isolation.
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Let's not excuse shitty practices because other companies have other shitty practices. Slicing an entire faction as DLC is nothing short of stupid. And as pre-order "bonus", at that. Creative Assembly always had greedy executions of DLC and that dumbass excuse doesn't cut it.
"We're making this core aspect of the game with...huh... some other money! Yeah, that's good! And we need to make that money back like, right now! Please Pre-order Warhammer Total War™ as much as you can!
And Amiibos are pretty reviled as DLC stations, even among Nintendo fans, so yeah.
So you're accusing them of lying? Based on what?
While I don't like pre-order content, frankly almost all big companies are doing, it's an extra incentive to pre-order I don't see how it's greedy...
Have you read the blog post?
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/164869/total-war-warhammer-dev-blog-chaos-warriors-pre-orders-and-dlc
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My issue with locking content behind amiibo is that in the case of DLC or pre-order bonuses, you are either pre-ordering a game that you already have interest in and would have pre-ordered regardless or are paying a nominal additional fee down the road for more content in a game you enjoy. With amiibo, specifically the Twilight Princess stuff, you are paying $13 for a toy as well as content. And to be honest, I would love to have the additional gameplay mode but I don't want another toy for my shelf. I like Zelda, but I don't plan to start a Zelda collection of figurines.
My favorite kind of amiibo content has been skins based on the characters, like MK8 and Mario Maker has done. I really only care about Sonic and Bayonetta amiibo, so it is an added bonus to see them in those games (I assume Bayonetta will at least be in Mario Maker).
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So you're accusing them of lying? Based on what?
I'm not accusing them of lying, I'm accusing them of playing victim after they chose such a bullshit way of dealing with their development budget. It's a core part of the gameplay, it's an entire faction. Making it a pre-order "bonus" is bullshit, there should be any rush if you simply don't have enough money to make it. It's not a bonus at all, it's bottlenecking content.
The way pre-orders are so exploited just so developers can make the quickest buck possible is greedy as hell, it's one of the worst aspects of the industry. And it isn't the first time I'm hearing that "Well, everyone is doing it!" in this forum, that's not an excuse. You can't call bullshit on Nintendo and their Physical DLC and then switcheroo all willy nilly and become a hard apologist when CA is once again pulling money tactics with DLC.
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Sorry but undesirable perhaps yet free pre-order bonus' is not in anyway similar to on-disk content only unlockable by buying children's toy at £10 a pop...
I never once apologised for CA's DLC policy, I don't like it... However I personally have never had a big problem with pre-order incentives. I don't think they're lying or being misleading in their blog post either. I have no reason to think believe so.
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Honestly, I like the idea of physical dlc. You can share it with people and sell it if you really want to. I wish it was in a more... cheaper form for other companies to try it.
Also it gets DLC out there. I always forget if a game I play have DLC or new DLC. If it is in store shelves it can catch my eye.
I think Amiibos can be love it or hate it if you are buying them for the characters you want rather than seeing them as $12 DLC. Major stuff should be unlocked through alternative means, but the minor stuff already there (costumes) I think is fair for the concept.
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A funny story about Amiibo I should tell you guys about.
Not that it's uncommon to do but....
I had planned to buy Splatoon and two of the amiibos that came with it, and the prices of them (at the very beginning) came to something like £11. (I wish they stuck to this).
I went to buy it on a shop, and it shot up to £16/17 almost everywhere else!
So I went to ShopTo who made it £12. (random number, but it was the cheapest).
HOWEVER....within a week of placing that order, it went up to the £16/17 like everyone else!!!
I had to enquire it because I thought that was shitty. They insisted that I will play the lowest price at that time.
They didn't keep to that promise, but I did pay £14.40 (random number) which was still better than the £16/17, but they didn't go to the lowest price, although they had to refund me the £3 because their systems are stupid to make it work (from the £17).
Honestly, the Amiibos are awful when it comes to price setting and increasing. It was £11 when it started, but now it is £15...why? Isn't that anti-consumer?
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I have no idea what Nintendo are playing at not making more. The excuse they use is a joke and doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. Maybe they plan of keeping it limited as they'll only work for Wii u and the next bunch will work with the NX.
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A funny story about Amiibo I should tell you guys about.
Not that it's uncommon to do but....
I had planned to buy Splatoon and two of the amiibos that came with it, and the prices of them (at the very beginning) came to something like £11. (I wish they stuck to this).
I went to buy it on a shop, and it shot up to £16/17 almost everywhere else!
So I went to ShopTo who made it £12. (random number, but it was the cheapest).
HOWEVER....within a week of placing that order, it went up to the £16/17 like everyone else!!!
I had to enquire it because I thought that was shitty. They insisted that I will play the lowest price at that time.
They didn't keep to that promise, but I did pay £14.40 (random number) which was still better than the £16/17, but they didn't go to the lowest price, although they had to refund me the £3 because their systems are stupid to make it work (from the £17).
Honestly, the Amiibos are awful when it comes to price setting and increasing. It was £11 when it started, but now it is £15...why? Isn't that anti-consumer?
Typical retail fuckery. The stores are fucking with you. Just buy online. Hell, buy anything online these days.
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I have no idea what Nintendo are playing at from not making more. The excuse they use is a joke and doesn't stand up to any sort scrutiny. Maybe they plan of keeping it limited as they'll only work for Wii u and the next bunch will work with the NX.
I hope not. Amiibos aren't even region locked, the tech behind them should work with NX.
NoA is terrible with stocking. All this gen anything considered special edition is ridiculously under-stocked and I don't think they care. They did this with the Majora's Mask limited edition and now having a hard time finding Fire Emblem Fates on one cartridge.
There is always something wrong with NoA for a long time. Last gen it was localization, this gen it is stocking.
Amiibos in general have calmed down since first two waves. It also faced its first real flop with the Animal Crossing line.
Stores shouldn't be jacking up the prices like that. I won't know how it is in Europe, but here in US the Splatoon Amiibos are easy to find.
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Typical retail fuckery. The stores are fucking with you. Just buy online. Hell, buy anything online these days.
Definitely. This is completely unrelated, but take for example Black Friday. Why do people constantly risk getting stampeded over to buy stuff they can get for the same price or less online through the rest of the year if they know where to look?
Not sure how countries aside from America do Black Friday, or if they have one even. Would be interesting to see what it's like there.
On topic tho, yeah, I'm pretty excited to see what Nintendo's going to do with NX. Some rumors spilled earlier from a survey that may or may not be true, but it wasn't anything impressive. They honestly can't afford to skimp out with it this time; they can't take a slightly more powerful Wii U, repackage it, and try to sell it as a brand new console. That just won't fly.
They also can't do what a lot of people are saying in having the exact same games between console and handheld. What is the point of getting both of them if the only difference between them is resolution and maybe a couple of gimmicky buttons?
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I hope not. Amiibos aren't even region locked, the tech behind them should work with NX.
NoA is terrible with stocking. All this gen anything considered special edition is ridiculously under-stocked and I don't think they care. They did this with the Majora's Mask limited edition and now having a hard time finding Fire Emblem Fates on one cartridge.
There is always something wrong with NoA for a long time. Last gen it was localization, this gen it is stocking.
Amiibos in general have calmed down since first two waves. It also faced its first real flop with the Animal Crossing line.
Stores shouldn't be jacking up the prices like that. I won't know how it is in Europe, but here in US the Splatoon Amiibos are easy to find.
I don't buy them myself, but I've heard they're not too difficult to find unless it's a particular one your after as such. The Wii u section in shops here in the UK pretty pathetic mind. Skylanders, Disney have taken over their section in my local and they've just started putting PC games there too. They told me they sell better, so it makes more sense.
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I think Nintendo needs to penetrate the mobile market. Its something they can do with neither forms of hardware they're doing now. I just dont see nintendo going full into the "mature" market. They wouldnt succeed in doing that imo.
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I think Nintendo needs to penetrate the mobile market.
That's a terrible idea.
Too bad it's happening.
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That's a terrible idea.
Too bad it's happening.
Unless there's some kind of market I dont know of, its pretty much the only way I can see nintendo find succes again. Its like even 2 consoles catering towards that audience is too much nowadays (especially with PC gaining so much ground). I really think 3 is too much. People that like nintendo games also have very little crossover with what most 3rd parties make. Most of them probably prefer the crossover with One or Ps4 exclusives much more.
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Nintendo could die for all I care.
"Why doesn't Sega buy Nintendo hurr durr"
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I think Nintendo needs to penetrate the mobile market. Its something they can do with neither forms of hardware they're doing now. I just dont see nintendo going full into the "mature" market. They wouldnt succeed in doing that imo.
PC market and Mobile market have a massive presence in the market now.
(http://i.imgur.com/s6CfN04.png)
So it'd be a good idea to be in one of those market. But I don't really care for any of Nintendo's active IPs so it doesn't really bother me.
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Unless there's some kind of market I dont know of, its pretty much the only way I can see nintendo find succes again. Its like even 2 consoles catering towards that audience is too much nowadays (especially with PC gaining so much ground). I really think 3 is too much. People that like nintendo games also have very little crossover with what most 3rd parties make. Most of them probably prefer the crossover with One or Ps4 exclusives much more.
Let me rephrase: That's a terrible idea for core gamer fans.
Might it be good for business? I guess, if they play their cards right. But from what I've played there's really no mobile game out there that does anything better than handheld or console gaming.
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Nintendo could die for all I care.
"Why doesn't Sega buy Nintendo hurr durr"
While I'll admit there's a large portion of ignorant hardcore Nintendo fans out there, my issue with them isn't anywhere near enough to wish Nintendo (or Sony or Microsoft for that matter) out of the core console market. If one of them leaves, that's going to give room for some company like Samsung or Apple to try and enter, and they definitely don't care about the core gaming industry.
So just imagine a scenario where two of the remaining three are still around, but in lieu of the 3rd mainstay we have Samsung or Apple. Or Google even. The industry's going to be screwed if Nintendo isn't in that picture as a main player.
And I mean, it's already been pretty screwed when Sega folded, it'll just be moreso if Nintendo gets out of hardware as well :/
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Nintendo is all but irrelevant by now.. the gaming you love is dead. The developers are the ones who say it best, they have to earn their money, and the big money is NOT with the "hardcore" crowd
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As I get older, I'm finding that word strange. What is a hardcore gamer really? Is it someone who games a lot or someone who prefers games that feature little hand holding and throw you into the gameplay at the deep end?
I can't see it being the first as many people now play games after work, during breaks etc in some capacity. It might be Call of duty, GTA, fifa or whatever the latest hit is, but that's still gaming really regardless of what people actually think of their tastes.
The latter also raises a few questions too. Yes, games do a lot of hand holding now, but in the past, it wasn't a case of a deliberate design choice, but one of technological limitations they had at the time. Many games had to be short due to the hardware, so they created a steep learning curve and forced the player to replay over and over till they got good. That's not something I personally want to see return.
As I don't fit into either of these categories, am I just a gamer? I pay close attention to the games industry (development and games) while knowing what type of games and genres I prefer to play. Sure, I find the odd exception outside of my criteria, but I can usually tell what I want to play fairly quickly nowadays by looking at the story, art style and the gameplay mechanics.
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I meant as in people who started playing games in the 8/16bit eras
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Nintendo is all but irrelevant by now.. the gaming you love is dead. The developers are the ones who say it best, they have to earn their money, and the big money is NOT with the "hardcore" crowd
To be fair, games are costing more and more money whilst the cost of buying that game remains the same, so the days of million hit sellers are a thing of the past.
The problem is kind of what Tad mentioned. Shorter games need to exist for both the developers sake (budget, experimental ideas) and for the benefit of those of us who can't afford to spend 40+ hours in a game any more.
Call of Duty and AssCreed don't need to cost millions these days given that the former is just a multiplayer bang bang fest (something PC gamers have enjoyed since Unreal) and the latter is just story crap with collect-a-thons that are useless.
It may sound strange, but I am glad that Candy Crush exists, as it has that Arcade feel and being a shortish game, you can play whenever (fuck in app purchases though). We need games like that (not the IAP thing, but the arcade like quality) to round out the games that express themselves on bigger budgets.
Nintendo should still exist, as they somewhat provide that simpler experience and I don't believe Nintendo Employees are paid all that much compared to the other companies (still more than you and me of course, but probably smaller than most third parties), which is likely why they can survive on a smaller fanbase.
To be honest, I wish SEGA added a console in the race just to give gamers an arcade experience that some of us miss (not exactly competing to Sony, MS etc), which I believe SNK targeted all those years ago.
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I'm glad to see these small experiences coming back. During the PS2/OXB/GC era they started to disappear as everyone seemed to be going for nothing but the big shiny, shiny games while the smaller studios nearly all went.
Thankfully, the adventure games (point&click etc), telltale, life is strange and so on are all thriving again now though. Long may it continue!
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Here is a 'inside source' that leaked the Pokemon Y/X games and that PS4 would run Unreal 4 quality games. Take it with a grain of salt? I dunno.
I don’t have many details on the device itself but I do have some background for it and some PR techniques they will use for it. A thing to note about this device is that much of it’s production was started in 2014 and many of the stuff I list here was outlined by the late Satoru Iwata before his passing. Hence in the company, the NX is considered the last project of their late President. Employees since his passing utters a phrase at the end of meetings and during idea brainstorms which is “岩田のために!” which roughly translates “For Iwata!” The importance of this is that this “new” Nintendo is highly motivated in delivering a fantastic system and games, something that I quote from an employee “have not seen this much forward momentum on a project since they launched the original Famicom”.
Some of the only few hardware info I know is that allegedly:
- It has a wireless HDMI dongle that attaches flush to the back of the device. A user can pull it out and insert it into any display with a normal sized HDMI output and the devices uses an evolved version of the Wii U’s streaming tech to display in HD to the TV screen.[/font]
- Allegedly the analog controls for movement has small motors in them for full haptic feedback. Meaning if you control a character and hit a wall, the sticks move away from the direction of that wall to simulate running head first into it. This can also be used for jerking when firing a gun, taking damage, moving over rough terrain, ect.
- It can literally Bluetooth sync with everything, especially smart phone and tablets to the point where one feature is that it can answer phone calls and display text messages from your phone onto the screens itself so you don’t have to stop and answer your smart device.
- The closest in terms of “power” it gets to is the Xbox One, but an app idea is Wii U x50 and Playstation Vita x100. The key is that all the tech is exactly the same hardware layout as the PS4 and Xbox One which then combine it with the OS’s strong emulation functions and compiler means that any game that can run of a Playstation 4 or Xbox One can easily run on the NX with near-zero modification to the original source code, especially if it runs in Android OS or Unreal Engine 4. This is allegedly why Nintendo has given out the dev kits so late, as one 3rd Party dev put it “It’s the easiest device we’ve ever developed for. You just take your code, compile it and it works.”
- Look to Pokemon GO to get the idea of the type of social features that will be in NX that will take multiplayer, AR and the StreetPass concept to a whole new level.
The real strengths of the device is its usability and ease of use. Developers have described to me more than once that it visually and functionally looks as if “Samsung and the Nintendo 2DS” had a baby, in that it looks friendly but unlike what most people visualize a Nintendo device to typically look.
The operating system, named NintendOS alone is very powerful and has so many modern features of mobile operating systems today that Nintendo is trying to be very careful in showing it off for fear that it would be mistaken as running Android. It also has a very strong networking functions as it ties into multiple devices and services allowing a very competent and pervasive eco-system designed to constantly involve the consumer’s lives.
http://dualpixels.com/2016/02/27/rumor-new-information-on-next-gen-nintendo-nx-console/
If this whole 'connecting tablets' and mobile devices is true, they will most likely tie-in their mobile games with the next console.
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We have a name for this sort of thing in portuguese: "banha de cobra"
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That all sounds way to good to be true. I am not getting the NX either way. What I wonder is if this NintendoOS is going to start from the NX, or if its going to be apllied to 3DS and WiiU as well.
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It sounds very impressive if true.
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My issue is... So what if it's easy to bring in code? Why would I not just buy a PS4?
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My issue is... So what if it's easy to bring in code? Why would I not just buy a PS4?
Because that would make too much sense for a Nintendrone
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Nintendo to launch NX console in March 2017
Cue the Wii/Mega Drive -> Wii U/Saturn -> NX/Dreamcast comparisons
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Cue the Wii/Mega Drive -> Wii U/Saturn -> NX/Dreamcast comparisons
The WiiU isn't that good.
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Nintendo to launch NX console in March 2017
Cue the Wii/Mega Drive -> Wii U/Saturn -> NX/Dreamcast comparisons
I think it's telling no one is even talking about it on my timeline.
But this is good news, seems the rumours were right that were saying the NX devkits weren't being sent out. A bit worrying Nintendo is going to avoid E3 to show off the NX though.
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What is everybody's thoughts on the fact that Nintendo is acting as though NX is not a successor to the Wii U and 3DS? Think this is true? Or is it just marketing BS because they don't want Wii U and 3DS sales to slow over the holiday season.
Also, regarding the SEGA console comparisons, I do agree that Wii U doesn't hold a candle to the Saturn - but I do think it is an apt comparison given we have a hugely successful console (Wii/Mega Drive Genesis) followed by a console that failed to sell well and had its lifespan cut too short, much to the annoyance of loyal fans and customers who bought it (Wii U/Saturn) followed by a console that the company thinks will fix everything (NX/Dreamcast).
What I think sets the NX apart from the Dreamcast is that while the Dreamcast kicked off the sixth generation of consoles and had a fair amount of time to wow people, the NX is launching in the middle of the eighth generation of consoles which the Wii U itself kicked off in late 2012. I personally do not want another fucking Nintendo console. I have my sights set on the PS4 or a PS4K. Nintendo lost all respect from me when it comes to home consoles and I am not falling into their trap again with the NX.
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I think the differenfe between wii u and dreamcast is that one could own a dreamcast with pride. It was a great console to own through its life and you could feel good about owning one. SEGA was trying to make the consumers happy through its lifespan and they succeeded. So much content from left and right. There was something for everyone. I dont think Wii U will be remembered in a similar way. Nintendo dissapointed with the WII U in all ways possible except for quality I guess, which is more wasted than anything. A 3ds only generation with all teams on 3ds could have made this generation much better for nintendo in mindshare and momentum. Both of those things are gone for the Nintendo now. I think they really sucked out the goodwill in all of the consumers. Im really not sure if its a good decision for nintendo to launch the NX with so much against them at the moment.
What irks me is that the zelda delay is clearly done because of NX. This decision kind of displays exactly whats wrong with nintendo right now. Fully focussing on the future without realizing theyre damaging prospects even more with current nintendo owners. They've lost the bigger picture. Wake up nintendo and come back to reality. Start respecting your consumers
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So just a general question. Dont feel obligated to answer. How important do you think mindshare and momentum would be for the NX? Am I overestimating it?
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No reveal at E3 and only playable Zelda booth?
Has Nintendo gone off the deep end?
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What is everybody's thoughts on the fact that Nintendo is acting as though NX is not a successor to the Wii U and 3DS? Think this is true? Or is it just marketing BS because they don't want Wii U and 3DS sales to slow over the holiday season.
I can see it being some sort of hybrid platform that combines their handheld, mobile and console efforts. Possibly the console unit is just a charging station with AV outputs to connect to a large screen, while the actual brains of the system are in the handheld device (controller with built-in screen). Subsequently all of their developers can focus on one unified platform rather than three. Of course this would mean it is underpowered compared to the PS4 and Xbox One, but Nintendo has repeatedly demonstrated they don't care about having the most powerful console anymore.
As long as the architecture is similar to that of the other two consoles, it will make it easier for third parties to port their multiplatform titles and scale them to the capabilities of the NX. The third party support is hypothetical, though, because it's more than system architecture that has made third parties not want to deal with Nintendo - it's a cultural problem.
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So Zelda dated for 2017 and no NX this E3. Bad times for Nintendo fans :/
The only positive I can see is they're taking their time to rethink.
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Theyre talking about a new concept that doesnt follow up the handheld/console formfactor. I wonder what that could be
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A watch? A visor? Who cares? I think Nintendo fans have had enough of the 'revolutionary' interfaces and just want a powerful console with regular controls. But they won't be getting it.
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NO, Nintendo is pretty much dead to me after the disappointment of Gamecube, Wii and WiiU. Yes I was disappointed in Wii also it was like a worst graphical version of PS2 and the motion controls got old pretty qucikly, had some great games, but became a dust collector compared to my PS3, and Xbox 360 back then.
NX is based off of android I heard and will use some cloud crap for improved graphics and network play. Another gimmick POS. I will pass. I also bet Nintendo still doesn't gain much 3rd party support. Boycott it everyone, Nintendo is going to plan to hype this new sorty of Hardware and then sell a lot and not support it later. WiiU is already pretty much dead.
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NX is based off of android I heard and will use some cloud crap for improved graphics and network play.
Nobody has any real idea what the system is made up of yet. Don't buy into what losers on forums theorize about. It's all just their imaginations. People have been saying Nintendo was going to cave in and make some generic Android device for years now. It's not going to happen.
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No one said its based on Android, they said that it uses a modern OS system LIKE ANDROID. Meaning they took mobile ideas and used it for NX.
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The problem isn't anything about the NX so far, since Nintendo is getting ready to talk about it soon. The problem is that Nintendo completely left the WiiU to die before they release the NX. They pulled a TLG and FF15 with Zelda U and delayed it another full year for a double NX release. Meaning the WiiU lost its most meaningful exclusive, it fucking baffles me that companies to this shit all the time.
Considering the NX will 99% have BC, no one is going to fucking buy a WiiU anymore and Nintendo is better off porting every game they have with a big following and live community. There's only so much Smash, Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon can do for a paperweight of a console.
Their continuous indifference to E3 doesn't really help either. It's like they allow themselves to ditch the WiiU without a care after the life support money they're getting from amiibos and now mobile.
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To be fair, the Wii u should have been scrapped after that awful E3 unveil. It's a poor excuse for a console and they were clutching at straws to prove it's value from day one.
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The WiiU's alright. Good games there. Nintendo just couldn't manage it worth shit. The Xbone had the worst fucking release of any AAA console in history and they managed to turn that shit around pretty fucking brilliantly.
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It seems to me that they're over confident about the Zelda game for it to be a major selling point when asociated with te NX. I think it makes Nintendo look weaker imho. Its a shitty desperate move that worked in the past. But times have changed.
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I dunno. I know they've mostly reviewed well, but whenever I've gone to play wii u games, I've felt they've come out as mediocre at best. The difference between xbox and wii u though, is the xbox's foundation are built on very basic gamers needs. The wii u was built to be a gimmick.
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It seems to me that they're over confident about the Zelda game for it to be a major selling point when asociated with te NX.
Of course they're confident that it's going to be a major selling point. Because it is. It's just one of their most popular franchises taking a dip in most well liked format of today's generation, open world.
You think Square Enix looked "weaker", whatever the fuck that means, when they jumped a generation for Final Fantasy 15? It made them look like dumbfucks who can't manage a project worth shit but the generation skip only gave them more credibility because of the PS4. It's the exact same situation. A very anticipated game popping in hip new hardware. They did it with Twilight Princess for the Wii and guess what? Everyone played with a reversed Link.
I dunno. I know they've mostly reviewed well, but whenever I've gone to play wii u games, I've felt they've come out as mediocre at best. The difference between xbox and wii u though, is the xbox's foundation are built on very basic gamers needs. The wii u was built to be a gimmick.
Huge generalization there but to each its own. Some games are fucking great, others are pretty lukewarm and others are shit. But the quantity/quality ratio is pretty healthy considering the small library it has.
I'm still playing Bayonetta 2, Smash, Splatoon and now I'm playing Fatal Frame which is a great old school wapanese horror game. A mate of mine just bought Pokken for us to play but it's fucking garbage as far as I'm concerned.
And the controller's a gimmick, not the console. Same as the Xbone and the original "multimedia entertainment batcomputer machine" bullshit they were spewing.
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It seems to me that they're over confident about the Zelda game for it to be a major selling point when asociated with te NX. I think it makes Nintendo look weaker imho. Its a shitty desperate move that worked in the past. But times have changed.
I'm not sure if it's even going to have the same pull either, the hole Nintendo has dug themselves in is bigger than just wowing people with one exclusive. People want software (Which over the last two years have had lower than expected critical receptions) or not to worry about droughts in between (End of Wii's life, various points in the Wii U's life) which I'm not sure Nintendo are going to deliver on.
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Are we certain the NX will play Wii U games? I feel that the hardware will be too different to be able to do what Wii U does, and they want to leave the Wii brand behind.
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I'm pretty certain it won't. The reason the last few have been backwards compatible is because they've been based off the same setup since the GC only modified. I don't think that will cut it anymore though and Nintendo will have to start from scratch. Probably something similar to PC in order to get third party support. However, this is Nintendo, so...
@Phantasos
Sadly I've found most of it rubbish. Played DK:Tropical Freeze but found it frustrating, SLW was quite forgettable, Splatoon had a good idea, but lacked in single player and general content, Starfox (sigh) loaded with pointless gimmicky vehicles that bog down the game, Mario to be pretty weak overall, MK8 inferior to the lush environments and modes found in SEGA AllStar Racing Transformed, Zombie u unplayable due to its design around the pad, never cared for Smash beyond the odd game and W101 poor. Bayonetta 2 was pretty fun, but it's been a really struggle for me to enjoy this console at all.
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Nintendo goes one step further. Their consoles are not just Backwards Compatible, but Backwards as a whole. Inspiring stuff.
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Nintendo goes one step further. Their consoles are not just Backwards Compatible, but Backwards as a whole. Inspiring stuff.
Ahahaha.
At least it was worth it for this joke alone.
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Are we certain the NX will play Wii U games? I feel that the hardware will be too different to be able to do what Wii U does, and they want to leave the Wii brand behind.
My money is on it not being backwards compatible. If they're smart they're moving away from IBM CPUs to compete with the big boys. They'd have to pull a Microsoft to get Wii U games running, and then you'd need the controller with a screen and Wii accessory capability. What a clusterfuck. It's not gonna happen.
But again, we know almost nothing about the new system and everyone needs to quit reading into vague hints and NeoGAF "leaks" so much. Some of these people sound like they're experts on the damn thing. I'm a sucker for new hardware so I'm looking forward to it regardless of what it turns out to be.
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What a clusterfuck.
The main point, I believe.
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Hopefully whatever it is, they'll come up with a name that makes it abundantly clear that it's a new system. I think there's a significant number of consumers who don't get it when they release something like the New 3DS and there's actually a difference between that and the 3DS... because "New" is commonly used as a promotional word and not actually a meaningful naming convention between iterations of products. Also there was a lot of confusion even among hardcore gaming enthusiasts when the Wii U was revealed as just a controller, and people weren't sure whether this was an accessory for the Wii or a new console. It's things like this that make me wonder if they even have a native English speaker advising them on what to call their products.
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In a day and age where I can import Gundam and Super Robot Wars games from Asia, fully localized into english, Nintendo's region locking and poor localization policies have massively turned me off them
I can live with gimmicky controllers where they go "We have these really amazing ideas for some games but we need this weird controller for it"
but I feel like with Wii U they just made the controller then tried to make games to justify it
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Looking back at my predictiona i wasnt too far off with them from the recent rumors.
So a handheld thats a bit more powerful than wii u? I think it was a given they would do a handheld beforw anything else. Not only was the 3ds already dated on release, but nintendo's handhelds have an absolute guarantee to sell with games like pokemon, animal crossing and monster hunter.
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It all depends on price I think. If it's still in the same area as PS4/XBO, I think it'll be a hard sell. I see no reason why it should be mind, it's using Tegra after all...
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“It’s a nice bit of kit, a bit of a novelty, but a good one,” said one exec that has got hands on with the machine. “It won’t appeal to PS4 fans. Nintendo seems set on trying to upgrade smartphone gamers. That’s going to be a big job for the marketing department.”
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pok-mon-mario-and-zelda-headline-nx-dream-line-up/0170678
UK retailers are also saying the NX has to be sold for under 200 pounds if it wants to sell anything
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/sub-200-price-is-crucial-to-nx-success-says-uk-retail/0170679
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That's interesting to hear. I suspected it would need to be around £200, but a push for under is quite telling for the opinion of Nintendo among retailers currently.
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So the rumors that it looks as 'slick' as Android's OS is true. You know what that is a good thing, one of the most annoying aspects of console OS's is how FUCKING SHIT they are. Really, I disliked Xbox 360/PS3's laggy interface. Its not that noticeable when you own them and its all you know, but when you come from a smart phone and/or fast computer, going to console is freaaaaaaaaaking slow. Why even have a Nintendo 3DS YouTube app if its garbage?
So if they can fix that aspect by going 'mobile like', whatever. But if the games are basically mobile games on a Nintendo device. Eat shit, not for me.
Its bad enough I feel like hardcore games are starting to go down that 'pay for our game then pay for content' path. The worse being the gambling shit in Overwatch. Fun game, but sleazy as shit transactions. Nintendo is getting a test of DLC money and I think they will go all in soon. Amiibos, seeing Pokemon GO's revenue and shit, too much for the big N to say no.
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I for one am glad its a handheld. Its where they shine the most in what they offer at least.
Even with the WII U it is noticable that nintendo is very low on the HUGE scale projects like lets say mario kart 8, xeno X and the upcoming zelda.
I think these big projects is what sells a console, which they seem to be doing very little of compared to the other 2
So having them on a handheld platform which thrive of off the smaller experiences is better than the other way around which was the case on wii u.
But then again we're still not 100% sure if its going to have hookup to tv capabilities. Hmm
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Hooking an android to a TV is already possible, so it wouldn't surprise me at all.
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So the rumors that it looks as 'slick' as Android's OS is true. You know what that is a good thing, one of the most annoying aspects of console OS's is how FUCKING SHIT they are. Really, I disliked Xbox 360/PS3's laggy interface.
But Android is shit, how is this a good thing.
Also, the original Xbox 360 blades is BY FAR the best console UI of all time. They fucked up everything with the NXE.
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Seeing as it's android, surely security could be an issue for the NX too?
It's using the tegra processor which is already documented and being android allows freedom in how you program for it.
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They never said it was Android just that it was slick like Android. As in responsive. I dunno if its shit, but I click on things and it pops up fast. Way faster than any OS on consoles or gaming handhelds. So I would consider this a good thing.
I'm not arguing about if a phone OS is better than another because frankly I don't care enough for it. I prefer Android.
But the OS is mean't to be build by Nintendo but 'influenced' by Android and iOS (which frankly look a lot alike).
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If it is android, it's probably a very closed off version of it. I've build stuff for other platforms, but not android yet. I hear it's a right pain because of all the differences from device to device.
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From twitter: Retailers in Germany heading to NoE for an announcement in a few days https://t.co/T9AcG0isTN
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Well i'm bumping this thread since the NX is going to be 'revealed'(or not) in 5 hours or so. I guess we'll finally see if the pessemism was grounded or could be put to rest. Either way, new gaming hardware is always a nice thing to see so here we go! How are expectations lol.
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My expectations are still quite low as despite the cool idea of the NX, it's Nintendo. They have a habit of burdening their own creativity. The video later today (3pm here in the UK) is apparently 3 minutes long, so unless they're firing straight out of the gate, I'm not too sure what they'll show.
Any predictions?
I'm guessing the following will happen:
They'll talk about the "next step".
Have a trailer that features the following:
Person playing on the NX at home
Goes out to do something and plays the same game on a handheld
Name and a look at the hardware.
End of trailer.
The trailer will also show off a new title for the console similar to Wii Sports/Nintendoland.
Show clips of some upcoming games like Zelda.
I'm tempted to say they might port Splatoon etc across too.
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What im wondering is what they're gonna do with 3ds and wii u after this reveal. I think I read somewhere that 3ds was still going to get supported in 2017, which tbh is crazy. WII U is dead I know but its still a pretty nice backup userbase. I dont wanna buy a new nintendo anything so if wii u still got supported with multiplat games similar to ZELDA U/NX i'd still be one of their consumers at least
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I was more exited with Gizmondo than with this.
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Only 17 minutes to go!
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7 minutes!
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https://youtu.be/f5uik5fgIaI
I nailed it in my prediction.
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My initial opinion is one of needing more answers. Seems like the digital foundry report was accurate on specs, but beyond that, battery life and the small controller are the biggest hurdles I can see. Nintendo have also shown a picture of just some of the supporting partners, but well...we've heard that before.
On the plus side, this could easily be a more traditional console, some of the wii u's library seems to be making a return on it, the design and look is nice.
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OK, that was... cute. I'll give them him that. Let it never be said that Nintendo isn't creative and all that. You can play it at home and have it with you always on the go (though battery life on portable is probably gonna be a major issue if it's going to have full HD graphics running at optimal conditions).
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A handheld and a console with a shared library. A safe and predictable concept, but still bodes really well if nintendo executes it well and manages to sell it. I like it
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I'm not paying more than 150 for something which major claim is it can play Skyrim and Super Mario
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Nice hanhdeld , utter rubbish console . Sad to see NCL more or less give up on the home console market
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I guess the thread name can change now? Nintendo Switch revealed or something like that
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HAHAHA. /dead
Seems about right
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I guess the thread name can change now? Nintendo Switch revealed or something like that
Went and did just that!
So... the name sucks. When I say it, it sounds like I'm saying "Nintendo's Witch".
As far as the concept, it is hardly revolutionary but it is a safe and easy to comprehend device. Unlike the Wii U which initially was thought to be a Wii accessory and then had trouble getting people onboard because it was difficult for people to see why it was a novel idea (and TBH it wasn't).
As a home console, I don't think it will be another Wii U. Nintendo games will be the main draw, hardware will be a step below Xbox One and PS4.
As a handheld, it could succeed but the main things will be interface, battery and online ecosystem. Also, I feel it will be competing with the mobile market and the 3DS.
I personally feel burnt by the Wii U and will not be getting the Switch. I will continue to enjoy 3DS, will buy some more Wii U games and will eventually get a PS4.
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It can be seen as a nice portable I guess. As long as it's cheap.
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I think the price will be a huge factor here. If they're not going to go against the PS4/XBO and they're going with a tablet designed processor, then it needs to be reflected in the price.
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I think the price will be a huge factor here. If they're not going to go against the PS4/XBO and they're going with a tablet designed processor, then it needs to be reflected in the price.
Keep in mind the Xbone sells for about 250 (300 with a game) in most markets
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250/300 huh. I think somewhere around the £200 mark be more appealing, but It depends on costs I suppose.
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Went and did just that!
So... the name sucks. When I say it, it sounds like I'm saying "Nintendo's Witch".
As far as the concept, it is hardly revolutionary but it is a safe and easy to comprehend device. Unlike the Wii U which initially was thought to be a Wii accessory and then had trouble getting people onboard because it was difficult for people to see why it was a novel idea (and TBH it wasn't).
As a home console, I don't think it will be another Wii U. Nintendo games will be the main draw, hardware will be a step below Xbox One and PS4.
As a handheld, it could succeed but the main things will be interface, battery and online ecosystem. Also, I feel it will be competing with the mobile market and the 3DS.
I personally feel burnt by the Wii U and will not be getting the Switch. I will continue to enjoy 3DS, will buy some more Wii U games and will eventually get a PS4.
Lmfao. Oh you.
Gotta share your overall sentiments. I wish nintendo a lot of luck with the Nintendo Switch but I wont be getting it. I am cheering on the sidelines for its succes because I love the concept a lot.
Gotta say I never really hated the wii u's concept either, but the execution couldnt have been done worse. Thats how bad it was with the wii u. Worst possible execution of an idea ever. The name was bad, the ergonomics for the tablet controller isnt that great. The design didnt look apealing. Horrible architecture which made porting a problem, hence little 3rd party. Cumbersome slow OS, and software droughts from beginning to end. Just awful stuff all around despite me having enjoyed a lot and having some of my best experiences on it.
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If I had to guess a price for this thing i'm predicting that theyre gonna have 2 seperate offererings. 1 without the dock and extra controller attachment for 250€, and one with the dock and the controller attachment for 300€
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Wii U has been my go to for Hulu and Netflix and YouTube. It is very quick to login to each, and easy to use. Plus the TV button allows me to use it as a remote.
But it should excel at video games, which it does not.
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80% prediction that this thing will fail outright. I am so unimpressed by the reveal and concept that I have absolutely no hope for it.
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To be fair Nintendo's got a marketable product at least this time. If there's something i've learned it's that good marketing is more important than a good product. I mean you can still sell an average product with good marketing. Not sure how good of a job they've done with the reveal but I guess we'll find out soon in how many it has reached and got interested. Reactions i've seen have been more positive than mine. I was quite unimpressed myself, but maybe that was because of all the leaks. The average person non hardcore gamer is a lot different than the average forum dweller.
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Yay at a new 3D Mario game with his usual moves (tripple jump). Dying to see more of it...
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When I saw this trailer earlier today, I was surprised by it. Clearly adding portability to a home console is a good idea. And here I can understand how the Nintendo Switch*-blade* works in a much clear way. Definately making up for the Wii U debacle.
But the more I thought about it, the more problems it arose. And many people will probably have the same concerns as soon the adrenaline dies down.
- Battery life during portable mode;
- The danger of damaging or losing the console in tablet mode;
- The danger of losing and damaging the side controllers;
- Not sure if people will drag around a 6-7 inch tablet when you can play on your smartphone on the go;
- The console will probably be a beefed up Wii U specs-wise
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Just seen this and I had to laugh: "Bethesda are pleased to announce a partnership with Nintendo." When asked if Skyrim will appear on the NS like the trailer suggests...no comment. ::)
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Well, Switch is probably going to sell better solely on the merit that they announced it as a console and not as a controller.
The whole portable idea thing is all well and good but they're only going to make bank if they don't go retarded with the base price like the WiiU and if they fucking bring out the games.
Splatoon and New MArio already confirmed is a nice start. And that Publisher/Developer list is pretty fucking sweet - If Sega, Capcom, Platinum Games, From Software and more actually make decent games on the system, there's hope for this thing.
Skyrim, of all fucking things, being on the announcement trailer is hilarious, though. Fucking seriously?
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Nintendo has stated they are focusing it as a home console, not a portable.
This pretty much confirms it will be over 300.
rip
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Ohh, that's a bit concerning. Nintendo's shares have dropped since the reveal, so it seems they're not too convinced either.
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I wrote up a little op-ed on the front page, check it out: http://segabits.com/blog/2016/10/21/opinion-what-the-nintendo-switch-means-for-sega/
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Nice article :)
I agree it's nice to see devs being able to use the console without work arounds for the gimmicks. Haven't really touched on it yet, but I do think going back to cartridges is a good move. Less moving parts, the transfer rate will be quicker, more memory and they can squeeze more out of them if they really have understand the hardwarecand software for both.
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Ohh, that's a bit concerning. Nintendo's shares have dropped since the reveal, so it seems they're not too convinced either.
They dropped after a retarded spike that made them a shit ton of money in under a day. No shit it went down, it's stabilization. They have 10 million views on the first day for the English trailer alone, that's the kind of shit that gives investors rock hard stiffies.
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The concept is so obvious that I don't really consider it a clever idea really. Seems like any hardware company could have came up with it, which begs the question; why hasn't Sony done this? They could have done it a lot better justice too perhaps. Well I mean no quality nintendo on the go like experiences of course but still an idea that could sell better under Sony.
I just feel like this is the natural evolution of console gaming really, but I guess it being a tablet and such brings some sacrifices to power which the other 2 seem to put more emphasis on then Nintendo. Maybe that's the reason
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I don't buy handheld consoles, there isn't much point when you live on an Island. And with a (rumoured) 3 hour battery life it wouldn't be very handy for travel either... So that selling point has no impact on me at all.
So my questions are: What kind of power are we talking about? Does the dock improve the power? Does the controller feel comfortable? What size games can those Game Carts hold? What other features does it have? What is the price?
At the moment I'm getting a 'jack of all trades master of none' feel and as someone who really isn't that crazy about many of Nintendos games, well, they would have to pull something amazing out of their hat to convince me this is worth owning.
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Didn't the PSP/Vita have a similar feature CrazyT?
As for power Sharky, seeing as the leaks were right, I'm guessing it's going to be a Tegra custom chip. Think the Nvida Shield with a bit more power. A slightly concerning thought has just occurred to me mind...seeing as Switch will be the only console and no handheld...if this flops, Nintendo could be in serious trouble. I mean, the wii u was bad, but at least they had a strong handheld that saw them through. This is literally all eggs in one basket.
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I'm actually not sure. If im not mistaken not officially but through 3rd party designed cables? You also had to have the handhelds in your hands while connected to the cable to play I think. Basically they werent designed to be hybrids hence not very convenient to play that way.
I know Sony went into VR territory now but personally I would have rather seen them do another handheld but now they got their contents spread with VR so im guessing its unlikely we'll see it soon.
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A slightly concerning thought has just occurred to me mind...seeing as Switch will be the only console and no handheld...if this flops, Nintendo could be in serious trouble
As if that was a bad thing.
Nintendo has been completely incompetent at making consoles since the SNES, which itself was only marginally more capable than the 3 year old Megadrive hardware.
They have managed to stay afloat all these years thanks to their handhelds, which they are now ditching as it seems.
As far as the gaming industry goes, they have been completely irrelevant on its evolution for 20 years, only introducing shitty gimmicks and actually holding it back in the case of handhelds, which lead to a massive loss against fucking mobile phones.
On the gaming front they continue to release the same Mario and Zelda with new paint year after year, meanwhile destroying its beloved IPs, see StarFox, Metroid, FZero, etc.
They are utterly inapt at running a business and rely on nostalgia-bucks to merely exist.
No sympathy for the fuckers.
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Interestingly, it seems Nintendo really have left Nvida to do everything with this console. Nvida clearly used what they've learnt from their Shield, but going further then that, Nvida also created the API. That's a first for Nintendo.
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Nintendo going the way of Sega utilizing external companies for their hardware, and also having just one type of hardware (ever since Sega went third party, their only type of hardware were mid ranged PCs in arcades)
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Huh...I didn't know that.
Looking at the Nvida blog about Switch, it seems Nvida have built the following:
New custom Tegra chip
Revamped physics engine
New libraries
New tools
API's - including a new one designed for lightweight gaming called NVN (NVidaNintendo?)
Hardware accelerated video playback
Custom audio effects and rendering
OS integrated into the GPU for flexibility in both mobile and home use.
I give Nintendo credit here. Nvida have some really talented people in their company and this takes the burden of Nintendo having to try to get third party teams behind them. The tech won't be PS4 level, but it's not lagging behind anywhere near as much as their previous consoles did.
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New custom Tegra chip
Revamped physics engine
New libraries
New tools
API's - including a new one designed for lightweight gaming called NVN (NVidaNintendo?)
Hardware accelerated video playback
Custom audio effects and rendering
OS integrated into the GPU for flexibility in both mobile and home use.
That just sounds like they made a Tegra 1.5 and its drivers, hardly anything worth mentioning.
Does it even have a CPU?
"The tech won't be PS4 level"
It's WiiU level with a better architecture. Fitting if they consider Skyrim a selling point.
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Tegra is sort of both the GPU and CPU. Ignoring how Nintendo are planning to use it for a second, and as a chip it's quite impressive really. It's designed for small portable devices, it can stay quite cool and it's capable of cunching some big numbers.
Nintendo have basically looked at this and gone to Nvida to use a more beefed up version. Or as you say, Tegra 1.5. This is only Tegra X1, but this will give you an idea of what it's capable of:
https://youtu.be/nPtLOEh6h80
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I'm actually quite surprised that a console maker has gone with Nvidia for once after all the negativity towards them as a partner; allthough i'm not sure why that is exactly.
Oh that's pretty impressive Tad. They could always slightly make a game a bit more stylized for the Switch if nescesary.
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Not selling at a loss and focusing primarily on home console as to not cannibalize the 3DS which is still going strong.
Guess they're having an event in January explaining details about the games and launch titles. I'm guessing plenty of juiced up ports judging from the launch trailer but they should shit the bed with lack of original titles.
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^Yeah and it's going to be a conference too, which makes sense for a console launch ofcourse but still surprising.
Nintendos way of messaging throughout the 3ds and wii u lifespan together was really.. amateuristic? Im not sure how to call it but it always seemed so out of touch.
The reveal trailer of the Switch has been a good sign at least so as ive mentioned before, i hope this signals some changes at nintendo.
I also like their mobile strategy a lot; using it to make money and at the same time market their IP's. This makes a lot of sense as mobile phones have become the new television in the every day use context. They should have made this conclusion a lot earlier, but then again I couldnt look at it that way either. Pokemon sun and moon on the 3ds are already showing results, and thats on a 5/6 year old platform.
I guess what im trying to say is that there's signs of changes at Nintendo.
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"The reveal trailer of the Switch has been a good sign"
Because a video with no information other than people playing fake games with mockups of a console is above amateur?
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Nah, because a video with no information other than people playing fake games with mockups of a console hit 20 million views in no time whatsoever.
Keep foaming Nintendoom at every post you make, though. It's fun.
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Nah, because a video with no information other than people playing fake games with mockups of a console hit 20 million views in no time whatsoever.
Because that is a good metric to hardware quality/sales. Youtube views of a widely publicized viral video. Maybe by next week it will be more popular than that video of Lady Gaga singing inside a car for comedic effect.
Plus, I don't even need to express any Nintendoom remarks, as a simple look at WiiU sales is pretty self explanatory. You may very well be aware that Nintendo is on its way out, regardless of accepting it or not.
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It's a bit concerning when they don't understand why it's dropped: http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/28/13453226/nintendo-president-switch-market-profit
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"The reveal trailer of the Switch has been a good sign"
Because a video with no information other than people playing fake games with mockups of a console is above amateur?
I'm talking about the messaging. I think pretty much everyone knows straight away what the switch is about. Whether they like it or not is another thing. It's night and day compared to WII U. I dont remember anyone even knowing what the wii u was; being all confused or just nodding like oh yeah whatever. But i've seen some people at work mentioning the switch already so I guess its a good start. The thing about fake games and mockups is irrelevant when it comes to that.
Also with out of touch I meant Nintendo always aiming at kids or the family with the 3ds and Wii U. I think its proven not to work anymore, at least the way Nintendo did it lately (cringy af). Nintendo's biggest challenge now is to convince someone like my little cousin for example, who's hadnt owned a nintendo product throughout 3ds and wii u's life to wanna put down his ipad for the Switch. These kids nowadays are addicted to minecraft and roblox. In my experience it doesnt take long before they get bored of smash bros.
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What is the Switch about then?
Most people I've heard talk about it (irl and online) say it's a new portable, which Nintendo has dismissed already. So is it another underpowered console? If so, will it interest anyone besides those already Nintendo fans?
Do you even know any grown adults that would carry around a full sized tablet with controllers and play games outside in a small screen with other adults?
Who is this aimed at? The trailer would make a whole lot more sense if they were all kids. This is aimed at kids. Disguised as a slick adult console. It isn't.
Nintendo has aimed consoles at kids since the NES! It's nothing new.
The NES was sold as a boy toy. The SNES was marketed at boys. The N64 was marketed at families and kids. The GC looked like a toy to begin with. Wii was for families. And finally, the WiiU was marketed at no one.
Nintendo is way past its expire date. It has been free riding on its portables since the N64
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I think what one takes from it immidiatly is that it is both. That's how I think what the average consumer has taken from it. Other extra's like it being one device where all nintendo teams will all be working on it or it being mainly a console or mainly a handheld are details I don't think anyone outside of us cares about. I'm consiously making the distinction between us and the average consumer because talking about myself i'd be all with you. But I feel like for guys like us to benefit, Nintendo has to get 'them' on board first.
The second is a good question which I think they do have a good looking product for. With that I mean is that it doesnt look like a fisher price toy like their stuff usually has. But this is also why I think aiming the marketing at kids worked against the potential of this happening outside japan. Cuz "nintendo is for kids" is pretty much the underlying message you get from it. Nintendo didn't show any kids in their reveal and I wonder how consious this decision was.
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The reactions are warranted and Nintendo has a whole lot to prove. I can't help but feel like the Switch is going to fail either and tbh despite me not wanting to see nintendo fail, it will be deserved if they don't deliver in January. They have a good basis to go from at least.
Someone else said it already but the switch so far seems to be a Wii U 2.0, minus the 2 screen gaming though. That could either be the stupidest decision ever, or it could have been really a potentially succesful idea with the wiiu, executed in the most horrible way. The WII U in essence and in what it offered was extremely inaccesable to who the marketing was aimed at.
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The best aspect of this console is that it will consolidate their development teams onto one platform, ensuring a steady flow of first party games. Which will be necessary, because unless something drastic changes with Nintendo's outreach, third party support will plunge after the first year. It'll keep die-hard Nintendo fans onboard and happy with the rate of first party releases, but that's a gradually diminishing number of people. I'm not sure it will have much appeal beyond their established fanbase.
One thought I had watching the video was... that's a lot of moving parts, a lot of sliding and clicking things into place... hopefully those connection points are really robust because there's a lot of potential for things breaking, gunk getting into contact points and messing up the connections.
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The best aspect of this console is that it will consolidate their development teams onto one platform, ensuring a steady flow of first party games.
Which has yet to proven to not go wrong like HD development for Nintendo for Wii U (causing massive delays)
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I think I may kinda get now why they're selling the Switch as firstly a console 'at this point of time'. I didn't expect them to push the 3DS this much this holiday but it seems they may be selling a lot with the price probably going down in combination with the pokemon GO>pokemon sun&moon hype. They want to suck it all dry as good as possible is what i'm guessing untill.... maybe an uprezed port comes to the Switch?
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Not a great start for the Switch's life.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis
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Lame duck console and one wonders one NCL even bother with the docking part, but its looks to be a great and really nice Handheld
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The problem they face with that idea though, is its not a handheld. It's a hybrid and you can bet the price will match that.
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So I watched the big Nintendo Switch conference on Monday...
Same with the original reveal... I was very impressed and actually excited about the Switch but after the show ended and the adrenaline wore off, I started getting worried. Like legit concerned over the Switch's chances at survival.
There are so many issues to overcome:
- It's baffling to me that they offer a free NES game through their subscription based online service, when the other services give you actual fully priced recent games;
- Only a handful of games on day and for the most part, most of the upcoming third party games are basically ports;
- Speaking of ports, who is going to buy Skyrim on the Switch? It just like Batman Arkam City on the Wii-U;
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legit concerned over the Switch's chances at survival
I'm actually pretty pleased on its chances of survival :)
But I agree, terrible value. At least for now.
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I'm really surprised they still are trying to get casuals on board with games like 1,2 switch. Everything about this thing is mindboggling
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https://mynintendonews.com/2017/01/25/rumour-singapore-and-hong-kong-only-selling-nintendo-switch-bundled-with-games-no-standalone-option-at-launch/
This happened in Indonesia too.
Customers are forced to get the Switch as a bundle with two games (Zelda: Breath of the Wild and 1-2 Switch).
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I don't know why but this really made me laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih323XXu_3w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih323XXu_3w)
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So the news I'm hearing so far isn't great. Left joycon issues, weird buzzing sound from headphones/speakers and Zelda isn't quite up to par. Some reports say that Zelda keeps crashing while digital foundry are finding 30fps in portable mode, but at worst 20 docked.
Edit: Now there's people talking about the cartridge's rattling around.
Edit 2: there's room in the console box clearly for bundles and the screen is cheap plastic.
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Some are now reporting dead pixels on the screen. Nintendo apparently stated it's not a defect...okay.
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I don't know why but this really made me laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih323XXu_3w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih323XXu_3w)
haha, this kills me.
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Any Switch owners here on the forums? I'm curious to hear about the battery life.
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Seeing as people arent very much complaining about it tells me that it's not far from trends, so around 3/4 hours most of the time? I don't think the minimum 2,5 hours stated by nintendo is the norm.
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3-4 hours seems about right for most people.
It's about the same as the original 3DS, which is interesting in its own right.
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Man, I don't know... 3-4 hours kind of sucks. I know that is in line with the original 3DS but that was 5 years ago, you'd think they would improve. Then again, lolnintendo
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Some good news for a change https://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-to-double-production-of-switch-console-1489728545.