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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: semmie on November 19, 2012, 01:04:10 pm
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For the real fans that are left in this world that really love sega.
fans like us are being attacked by our own sega.
what i read in sega.com is that some dude had some videos on utube of shining force and all that.
and sega basically sewed the mofo to delete this vid. this game is so old and i dont get why sega does this. it doesnt really harm but it invited people to play this game.
like i said the sega fan base is the most forgiven fan base in console bussiness ever.( even without console now) how come sega makes people hate them even now? the old scool sega fans basically didnt get what they deserve. the new scool is being screwed as well.
i wanted to post the pics of this issue but i rather give the source because i didnt ask permission to post this here so therefor read for urself and see whatsup.
http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?426790-Freaking-seriously
in my opinion sega is killing her last base. it hasnt done anything but that. and here i am just hoping that console will come up and the mofos to be fired that basically almost made sega look silly. and s many allready left the sega fan base and we are here in the bunker together as the last ones remaining.
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Sega fans are like beaten wives, Sega keeps treating us badly, but we just can't leave them.
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Sega fans are like beaten wives, Sega keeps treating us badly, but we just can't leave them.
I know Sega can change!
hehe,
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I don't think Sega is that bad.
All videogame companies have goods and bads, ups and downs. But as a community, Sega fans are very emotional with everything Sega. So any negative action is taken personally.
Overall, Sega is one of the best companies around.
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I was just joking with my earlier post. Sega is okay, I don't love them like I used to, but they still make Yakuza and Virtua Fighter, which are probably my favourite game series OF ALL TIME.
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They own my childhood gaming memories. Their consoles and games helped define my gameplay sensibilities, so I'll always love 'em....
Besides, I fucking love Hell Yeah! ;D
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Besides, I fucking love Hell Yeah! ;D
Woooooord, yo.
Anyway. Sega is not the first nor will they be the last company to do this. I remember arguing with George about this back in the day when Square-Enix did similar things and. Companies make moves to protect their property and it's nothing personal, but it's just the things that have to be done for many of these companies.
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I have seen the link... I see. That's all the bullshit the new Shining series producer is doing. He got pissed off about fans criticizing the new Shining games and now is taking revenge doing those things on the net.
He thinks it could mess up his works on the new "shitty" games of the franchise.
He has not allowed Famitsu to show up the original games on that commemorative issue of Sega. He don't allow the release of the complete collection sound CD of the original series, and still thinking he is doing a great job.
Looks like his thoughts has contaminated the rest of the Sega employees, since nobody does nothing to stop him. Actually, Sega does nothing because he is making a lot of money selling Shining figures (from the latest games) not really selling games...
When the Shining Project was announced on the past, Sega was trying to convince Camelot to participates on it, but they refused. The (now) Shining producer was OK! with the original series at that time, but suddenly turned into a villain for the old fans of the series due to massive criticism on his games (Shining Tears, Wind, Hearts, Blade).
He is sadic and likes to see the fans claiming on the net.
All that Shining shit made me sick, and that's the reason why I left completely Segabits and others Sega related sites.
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I have seen the link... I see. That's all the bullshit the new Shining series producer is doing. He got pissed off about fans criticizing the new Shining games and now is taking revenge doing those things on the net.
He thinks it could mess up his works on the new "shitty" games of the franchise.
He has not allowed Famitsu to show up the original games on that commemorative issue of Sega. He don't allow the release of the complete collection sound CD of the original series, and still thinking he is doing a great job.
Looks like his thoughts has contaminated the rest of the Sega employees, since nobody does nothing to stop him. Actually, Sega does nothing because he is making a lot of money selling Shining figures (from the latest games) not really selling games...
When the Shining Project was announced on the past, Sega was trying to convince Camelot to participates on it, but they refused. The (now) Shining producer was OK! with the original series at that time, but suddenly turned into a villain for the old fans of the series due to massive criticism on his games (Shining Tears, Wind, Hearts, Blade).
He is sadic and likes to see the fans claiming on the net.
All that Shining shit made me sick, and that's the reason why I left completely Segabits and others Sega related sites.
wow dude your emotions and anger are clearly to be seen and its aura reaches me LOL
but seriously i dont want to sound as the one that always complains. i red your reply like three times and i hope i understand..
i agree with you tht it is bad for the sega fan base. it is never good to have arogant guys in the sega bizz being so dumb to actually delete fan made videos. but ofcourse we cant generalise sega
there is a sparkle or flame still burning. sega is still sega. yes there are flaws and i agree that these things make the sega fan base shrink since shining force is such a massive game for a big crowd.
but i understand you dont get me wrong. sometimes that anger circulated in my blood as well
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A lot of major websites been putting up this news.
I infact support the amount of negative PR SEGA is getting over this, if it is true that one man is dragging Shining through the dirt and hating fans because his personal feelings are hurt by those critical of them and SEGA has allowed the man so much power than good, I hope it hurts them enough for them to reconsider his position and the stupid mess they find themselves in.
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Is it possible someone's just being a jerk and abusing Youtube's copyright claim system? I remember a while back that some guy targeted major "Let's Play" channels by posing as a variety of companies and got a bunch taken down with complete ease.
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I have seen the link... I see. That's all the bullshit the new Shining series producer is doing. He got pissed off about fans criticizing the new Shining games and now is taking revenge doing those things on the net.
He thinks it could mess up his works on the new "shitty" games of the franchise.
He has not allowed Famitsu to show up the original games on that commemorative issue of Sega. He don't allow the release of the complete collection sound CD of the original series, and still thinking he is doing a great job.
Looks like his thoughts has contaminated the rest of the Sega employees, since nobody does nothing to stop him. Actually, Sega does nothing because he is making a lot of money selling Shining figures (from the latest games) not really selling games...
When the Shining Project was announced on the past, Sega was trying to convince Camelot to participates on it, but they refused. The (now) Shining producer was OK! with the original series at that time, but suddenly turned into a villain for the old fans of the series due to massive criticism on his games (Shining Tears, Wind, Hearts, Blade).
He is sadic and likes to see the fans claiming on the net.
All that Shining shit made me sick, and that's the reason why I left completely Segabits and others Sega related sites.
looks like at least one other person here is aware of the culprit here
that guy is a scumbag and a coward
he publicly attacked and insulted old shining fans then deleted his twitter account to hide the evidence
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The thing is most of the saturn SHINING FORCE games are joint copyright with Camelot. So if the problem persists just issue the video of SHINING FORCE 3 under Camelot. And Premium edition of SHF3 sega doesn't own that but camelot so if he orders that down then technically he has no right to do so.
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The thing is most of the saturn SHINING FORCE games are joint copyright with Camelot. So if the problem persists just issue the video of SHINING FORCE 3 under Camelot. And Premium edition of SHF3 sega doesn't own that but camelot so if he orders that down then technically he has no right to do so.
if that is true what you say
then either the dude has no rights to it
or he bought the rights from camelot.
but even all that.
its kinda disrespectfull towards truthfull sega fans to do such a thing. being an arogant doesnt fit the sega company. sega makes good profit. but it aint to good as well. and they can not use bitsies like him.
perhaps they should call him to desk for changing view
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from the comments on reddit and tssz:
I dont think Mutsuhiro Fujii is the person behind this. My experience of that guy is that he just manages the sites and site accounts of sega see: http://segaretro.org/Mutsuhiro_Fujii
I think the likely culprit is Tsuyoshi Sawada, director of some of the modern shining games. Last year oldschool shining fans started a "Save our series" campaign hoping for a Shining Force 4 to finish off the story that had been running since shining in the darkness.
He took to his twitter account and attacked the fanbase calling them trolls and enemies and a bunch of other things. When he was called on it he then deleted the twitter account to hide, it used to be @ShineNaHito see: http://archiver.co/profile/ShineNaHito
It's likely he would have recently had access to the official sega channel to add trailers for Shining Ark and then abused it to attack his "enemies"
This is strongly supported by the fact that videos from the SOS campaign were targeted which contained NO sega content, merely people talking about the shining series. There is absolutely no way those videos would be detected by automated algorithms or confused by a well meaning moderator for game footage.
Shadi can post that on the sega forums if he thinks it's ok
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It's sad to see that Sega has no love for theirs own history and legacy. Shining series was originally made by Climax and Sonic (Software Planning), but despite the fact of these names, they were 100% hired by Sega, Sega employees! Shining series is 100% Sega.
Tsuyoshi Sawada has blocked me on all oficial Shining related tweeter accounts, but (just to bully me) has added me at only one account: the Shining Goods account.
He also has blocked "moogie", that girl from Shining Force Central right after discovered that I had added Shining Force Central on my tweeter account... he said she was my "buddy" against him. Detail: I HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT moogie till that time! :o
They have found her facebook page and posted it on 2ch. They were also looking for informations about me and yet said that "Sega has put me on the company's black list" as "enemy of Sega".
I don't need to say how it was a heartbroken for me since I spent lots of money on buying everything Sega since my childhood. I have bought all Shining games, I have bought all Sawada's Shining games, all of them special editions, pre-order editions, first press editions...
Shining Blade was the first game of the series I have not bought.
Another issue that has allowed him going so far was the fact that Nagoshi Toshihiro was protecting him inside Sega. Shimosato Itou, who has also worked on Shining Force 3 and made Shining Force Neo, Exa and Feather, was also forced to allow him continuing working on the Shining series, since his games have failed on sales (Feather was the last one...). Shimosato is the true chief there, but Sawada is the one in charge of the Shining series now.
Looks like Sawada tried to stop on some way the arcade game Shining Force Cross, but this time, and only this time, Sega has stopped him.
Some japanese fans were attacking him on the net, and they have atributed the attacks to the former Shining series designer: Tamaki, from Shining in the Darkness and Shining Force. Some time has passed and more fans attacked him; this time they atributed the attacks to "pako", the character designer for Shining Force Exa and Feather.
Looking the net post, you can see clearly that Sawada is not alone, and the people who worked on his games (the external studios hired by Sega) are always prepaired to attack whoever is talking about the old and original (and the BEST) Shining series.
Oh, yeah! Like I said before, they are looking this forum too.
The original writer for the Shining series was called back and has returned on the remake of Shining Force for the GBA; on that time Sega has said they would work together for a long time till now. He was never called back again... and he has tweeted about it on his oficial tweeter account. Of course Sawada's team attacked him on 2ch. The only good thing about this was that he has revealed that Camelot had on plans to show that the world of Shining was linked with our world, the real world.
Sawada has used this plot (on a pretty badly way possible) on Shining Wind... :-\
Some rumors said he (or another person inside Sega) has planned a new Sakura Taisen game with Tony as character designer; Sakura Taisen series was "destroyed" by Naka Yuji a long time ago, but the series still strong, and it's probably the most disturbing series from Sega after Shenmue. The plan with Tony on charge was quickly screwed up and never came true, but Sawada has used the "LIPS SYSTEM" from Sakura Taisen series on Shining Hearts (again, on a pretty badly way).
More rumors said he was afraid about Valkyria Chronicles fans thinking about he was the one that has ruined the series, since the developers of Valkyria Chronicles series were removed from it and put on charge to develops new Shining series games. Of course Sawada is giving a shit for Sakura Taisen series or Valkyria Chronicles series.
He also tried to make Maxima (the main heroine from Shining Blade) to be the Sega's next super female character, and get her own game (and replace Bayonetta?), but for some reason she has never made it up....and had to share her "main character position" with a (weirdo) male character.
I think he wants badly to be Sega's most successful RPG creator, since he has not changed the plot of Shining Blade even when Rieko Kodama was using basically the same thing on 7th Dragon 2020. Both games were revealed and got released almost the same time.
Rieko Kodama is the only one original creator of Phantasy Star who stills on Sega, and one of the most old and iconic persons on the Sega's history, and again they will release both games at the same year.
I hope she wins (lol) this "battle", since Sega is only allowing sequels to games that sells more than 200k, 250k copies now. They said that Sega has allowed her to do whatever she wanted on the development, like the times when Sega was a hardware holder.
What a f*cking long post I did! Long time has passed since I posted something like this :P
I really hates what they are doing with Shining series, and I REALLY hopes someone does something about this, and these hatable things Sawada is doing with Sega and Shining worldwide communities goes to the front page of all major games sites from all the net!
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I really hates what they are doing with Shining series, and I REALLY hopes someone does something about this, and these hatable things Sawada is doing with Sega and Shining worldwide communities goes to the front page of all major games sites from all the net!
They have and are, however no one really knows the cause on the major gaming sites. They need someone from the Japanese community to explain what is going on. But SEGA is getting pretty bad PR from banning this Shining fan videos (Including one youtube user who has a million subscribers being threatened and has removed all SEGA videos from his account and said he will not post any SEGA news anymore, PR disaster from SEGA)
Doubt though SEGA Japan is aware of the damage this crusade against Shining fans is having on their sales, they just have their hands in the sand unfortunately.
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Holy crap STORM! that was a powerful post. That Japanese guy doesn't sound to great and I would rather have KÅsuke Fujishima to continue the artwork for the Sakura Taisen franchise.
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small update
it would seem people who counterclaimed got their videos back, without contest from sega, this lends further credence to the idea that is is one person abusing the account they had access to.
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small update
LOL! I have just posted on 2ch about Sega hunting Shining series fans on youtube yesterday and now this.
Well done! :P
I hope everybody continues supporting the great Shining series again! It has entered the 100 best games list of EDGE magazine, was not?