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http://screenrant.com/dc-movies-justice-league-wonder-woman-release-dates/ (http://screenrant.com/dc-movies-justice-league-wonder-woman-release-dates/)
I am so freaking out right now! Here's an abriged version of this article:
-Till 2020, expect two DC Comics movies every year;
-Batman vs Superman in March 2016;
-Suicide Squad movie in Agust 2016;
-Wonder Woman solo movie in 2017 and Justice League: Part One in 2017 as well;
-Justice League will be broken into two movies;
-The Flash movie and Aquaman in 2018;
-Shazam and JL: Part Two in 2019;
-Cyborg and Green Lantern Movies in 2020;
Also note:
-Green Lantern will be a complete reboot;
-The Flash movie will have no connection to the current Flash TV show;
-Though not yet announced, Batman and Superman will have their solo movies but their release date is still unknown;
Freakin' out again!
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Well DC has done a few major things in this announcement list.
One..they've going to be the first to make a supervillian movie in Suicide Squad.
They're going to be the first or at least first announced a superheroine movie for the modern age of superhero films with Wonder woman beating Marvel in their female lead superhero film.
They're the first of the big two to commit to a Black superhero movie in Cyborg beating Marvel again.
The only way Marvel can try to counter this is to announce Black Widow with Scarlett Johannson and a Black Panther film...
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I want to see Guillermo Del Toro direct that Justice League Dark movie. That would be sooooo goooooood.
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Doubt that will ever happen...MM....
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Doubt that will ever happen...MM....
I know, but I was more excited for that than anything else.
I lost a bit of momentum for DC movies after I saw Man of Steel. Okay, it's a new interpretation of the character etc, but for the flagship DC character (and overall Superhero/Comic Book Character) to launch their movie franchise? Why? WHY?
Movie was still pretty good though. I'm interested in seeing how Batman vs Superman pans out.
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I know, but I was more excited for that than anything else.
I lost a bit of momentum for DC movies after I saw Man of Steel. Okay, it's a new interpretation of the character etc, but for the flagship DC character (and overall Superhero/Comic Book Character) to launch their movie franchise? Why? WHY?
Movie was still pretty good though. I'm interested in seeing how Batman vs Superman pans out.
Simple..they let that hack Goyer take control of the script without anyone redoing it afterwards. Nolan was too busy to check on him than he was when he did Batman..and Synder is another guy who needs to be put on a leash when making movies. With those two unchecked..MOS was a film that had great bits but uneven crap. This won't be a problem with any of the sequels because Affleck is running the show behind the scenes.
That's why Constantine which Goyer is in charge with..is giving me panic attacks...
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Never saw Green Lantern nor do i care to. I've owned the Man of Steel since it was released on Bluray, but i still haven't seen it..
Anyways, Aqua Man movie? Good luck selling that to anyone, but comic fans.
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God help you if you botch up the JL movie DC.
As for personnel, Snyder is the only decent "Comic" person there. Snyder has by far the best costume designs and fight sequences. Watchmen will forever immortalize him for that.
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Glad to know i'm not the only dumb ass that actually enjoyed Watchmen.. I have yet to know any one that thoroughly enjoyed that film.
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I'm a huge DC fan, so this is really cool. I really hope this means that New 52 will have a Cyborg and Shazam ongoing soon :)
But why do I have to wait so long :(
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Glad to know i'm not the only dumb ass that actually enjoyed Watchmen.. I have yet to know any one that thoroughly enjoyed that film.
As a fan of the comic first, the movie was okay but not great in my eyes. I liked it a LOT more the first time I saw it, then jaded on subsequent viewings.
Opening credits is the best part of the movie.
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Interesting line up. Glad they are at least doing a Wonder Woman movie before they go to Justice League, though I do wish they were doing a little more to establish characters like Flash and Green Lantern before the first JL movie. Still, I am interested in seeing how this whole universe ties together. I just hope we don't get a bunch of movies of brawny guys and gals just hitting things really hard. These movies need souls, something I felt Man of Steel lacked. I'm still not really looking forward to Batman v Superman, but I do have hope that the rest of this will play out splendidly...if only because I really want them to.
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Even though I do want to see more movies soon, I think the whole 'lets build up characters to their cross over movie' is an overrated phrased used by Marvel fanboys forever, personally I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy more due to not knowing what it was all about. I'm not a huge fan of Marvel comics and I think they did OK on their stand alone films, but most people felt it was just a preview for Avengers and I totally don't want DC to go like that.
I don't think we need to know everything about a character for a cross-over movie, most of my friends only saw Avengers and didn't see the 'pre-quel' stand alone movies and they weren't confused at all. If anything, I thought Avengers just re-explained anything and made me mad for spending time watching the other films.
But hey, to each their own.
I just hope DC finally knocks it out of the park, their source materiel is superior already to Marvel's, they just need good films.
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Can anyone offer a guess as to what the real breaking point was for DC movies now? Because, and I was only really paying attention to this years ago, but when the first Avengers movie came out the thought of the Justice League competing with that was laughable (and Green Lantern sucked big time) and now here we are? When did the DC comic heroes hit the stride they're apparently enjoying? I'm not familiar with developments on DC comics in movies, to be clear. I know that we've had a failed Wonder Woman show years ago, Man of Steel did pretty well critically and commercially IIRC (though not AMAZING)...
Random musings on other movies mentioned here:
-Watchmen was great on first viewing for me but didn't enjoy it as much once I saw it again.
-Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty solid, if nothing else I am glad that Marvel took a chance on them.
-Will be interesting to see how Paul Rudd pulls off Ant-Man
-Will be even more interesting to see Batfleck, but I don't really want to see him anyway so =P
-The Flash is the gay dude best friend of the main trifecta in Perks of Being a Wallflower!
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We've discussed it and it's been debated a lot elsewhere is that Warner Brothers has had a lot of trouble setting up this new movie universe, because of the following:
-While WB does own DC, they cannot allocate all their resources towards making comic book movies, there are other people with their own projects that also need funding;
-There was a lot of difficulty setting up a pseudo internal "DC Comics Movie Studio" since so were so many people with their hand in the jar;
-WB lost it's confidence in Akiva Goldsman, who used to be their old go-to Super Hero Movie producer and as such hadn't found their Kevin Feige yet;
-WB, during the early Marvel movie build-up, was still very much stuck on the Harry Potter / Dark Knight money train to have any strategy and really who could blame them, since both franchises were making a lot of cheddar?
Now with regards to what was the trigger, I don't think it's was just The Avengers and GotG that made DC Comics finally do this:
-Man of Steel, love it or hate it, was sucessfull enough to invest more time and resources into comic book properties;
-The Arrow TV Show I think, also boosted a lot of internal confidence which has prompted them to also invest more into TV-themed Super Heroes, an area in which Marvel is still very much has no footing, in this era of HD TVs and people preferring to watch more stuff at the comfort of their own home, it's a smart strategy;
-The overwhelmingly positive reaction at the announcement of Batman vs Superman was also encouraging;
Now with regards to the actual lineup, I was only a tad dissapointed that Shazam! is only a 2019 release, since Dwayne Johnson has been so vocal about it, I was under the impression that it was a more immediate project.
Kinda of a shame, since I'm super into the character right now, dare I say, almost as much as Superman vs Batman.
Also to note, unlike Marvel who wants all the TV Shows and Movies to follow an ubber cohesive timeline, DC's answer to that is: Screw it!
Screw it, TV Universe and Movie Universe will be separated, because (IMO):
-We expect our audience to be smart enough to understand that the Bruce Wayne from the TV Show Gotham has nothing to do with the Bruce Wayne on Batman vs Superman;
-Separation allows a bit more creative freedom which is something that's starting to harm the Marvel Universe a tad.
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I'm a huge DC fan, so this is really cool. I really hope this means that New 52 will have a Cyborg and Shazam ongoing soon :)
But why do I have to wait so long :(
Watchman....meh...The comic is way better...the movie...a cop out...
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We've discussed it and it's been debated a lot elsewhere is that Warner Brothers has had a lot of trouble setting up this new movie universe, because of the following:
-While WB does own DC, they cannot allocate all their resources towards making comic book movies, there are other people with their own projects that also need funding;
-There was a lot of difficulty setting up a pseudo internal "DC Comics Movie Studio" since so were so many people with their hand in the jar;
-WB lost it's confidence in Akiva Goldsman, who used to be their old go-to Super Hero Movie producer and as such hadn't found their Kevin Feige yet;
-WB, during the early Marvel movie build-up, was still very much stuck on the Harry Potter / Dark Knight money train to have any strategy and really who could blame them, since both franchises were making a lot of cheddar?
Now with regards to what was the trigger, I don't think it's was just The Avengers and GotG that made DC Comics finally do this:
-Man of Steel, love it or hate it, was sucessfull enough to invest more time and resources into comic book properties;
-The Arrow TV Show I think, also boosted a lot of internal confidence which has prompted them to also invest more into TV-themed Super Heroes, an area in which Marvel is still very much has no footing, in this era of HD TVs and people preferring to watch more stuff at the comfort of their own home, it's a smart strategy;
-The overwhelmingly positive reaction at the announcement of Batman vs Superman was also encouraging;
Now with regards to the actual lineup, I was only a tad dissapointed that Shazam! is only a 2019 release, since Dwayne Johnson has been so vocal about it, I was under the impression that it was a more immediate project.
Kinda of a shame, since I'm super into the character right now, dare I say, almost as much as Superman vs Batman.
Also to note, unlike Marvel who wants all the TV Shows and Movies to follow an ubber cohesive timeline, DC's answer to that is: Screw it!
Screw it, TV Universe and Movie Universe will be separated, because (IMO):
-We expect our audience to be smart enough to understand that the Bruce Wayne from the TV Show Gotham has nothing to do with the Bruce Wayne on Batman vs Superman;
-Separation allows a bit more creative freedom which is something that's starting to harm the Marvel Universe a tad.
That's correct...but they have their Freige..in Geoff Johns..notice he's the main producer and spokesman for all DC media related stuff now..they just haven't stated publically that he's their head guy for the films and TV.
In the first FLASH they made a reference to CRISIS...the multiverse collapsing event....I'm assuming that's where they're going..created different DC universes that may cross over...Why else are they gonna make Flash movie when they don't need to since they have a TV show of him...It would be cool if they tried to do that on screen...
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George and I loved the Watchmen movie. SEGAbits was almost WATCHMENbits.
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George and I loved the Watchmen movie. SEGAbits was almost WATCHMENbits.
Wooo! And here i thought i was the only one. =)
My wife hates it, so i've only seen it once.. Went out and bought it day 1 and never got to see it again..
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Movie based on Book or Comic:
"Bawww they ruined the source material, character x wasn't here would never do this!"
Watchmen:
"Bawww this is too much like the comic"
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Why I no longer take most comic fan movie criticisms seriously.
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Movie based on Book or Comic:
"Bawww they ruined the source material, character x wasn't here would never do this!"
Watchmen:
"Bawww this is too much like the comic"
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Why I no longer take most comic fan movie criticisms seriously.
Really? I never heard anyone complain that Watchmen was too much like the comic. If anything I kept hearing that it missed the point and changed a few things that were really integral while keeping less important things intact like visuals etc.
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Exactly. And Snyder goes overboard with the effects..that's a fact...you just have to see MOS to see that with the pointless cgi fighting scene at the end. With Affleck's people in charge of the DCU they will keep Snyder's natural enthusiasm in check and make it work in the context oif the narrative the film is trying to present. Snyder left to his own devices isn't that bad though compared to Goyer left to his own devices but luckily they aren't using him as much as the guy running the show.
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Exactly. And Snyder goes overboard with the effects..that's a fact...you just have to see MOS to see that with the pointless cgi fighting scene at the end. With Affleck's people in charge of the DCU they will keep Snyder's natural enthusiasm in check and make it work in the context oif the narrative the film is trying to present. Snyder left to his own devices isn't that bad though compared to Goyer left to his own devices but luckily they aren't using him as much as the guy running the show.
I agree with Snyder's over-reliance on special effects. All the fights in Watchmen, barring the opening Comedian fight were ridiculous and did not fit Watchmen in the slightest IMO.
I didn't mind his work in Man of Steel too much, but I haven't watched it since the cinemas so can't recall anything too on the nose about it. At least Superman fits his over the top style a little better than Watchmen did though.
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The fights are good in smallville if you take out the exploding barrels of corn...Its the final bit that it gets like a video game.
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Really? I never heard anyone complain that Watchmen was too much like the comic. If anything I kept hearing that it missed the point and changed a few things that were really integral while keeping less important things intact like visuals etc.
Alan Moore has frequently stated that he wrote Watchmen specifically for the comic book medium and that is where it will work. The themes, detail ect...present in the comic book to an astounding degree were never going to make it into the movie.
Watchmen's main arch is the act of traditional super "heroes" committing atrocities for the greater good. Below that there are about 5 or 6 other subplots which can come in and out depending on the issue. The "broad" arch of those is the general superhero arch, which is the one snyder tried to adapt.
Heroes do bad things for the betterment of all
Superheroes
The problem is that Watchmen(comic) relied on a cohesiveness of ALL of it's elements, which is simply something the movie would never have been able to fill. The lack of these details in a large degree takes away a lot of what made the comic stand out, but that did not stop snyder from still attempting to adapt the comic faithfully.
Are there problems? Of course! SPOILER ALERT
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Silk Spectre and Nite Owl's relationship was horridly portrayed
The focus on gore and sex rather than the general gritty darkness of the comics
Some of the casting choices were questionable(Particularly Moloch)
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Good things?
Rorschach's potrayal by Jackie Earl Haley
The flashbacks in the movie were some of the better highlights
Nite owl and Ozymandias costumes
Dr Manhattan
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The hardcore either did or did not like it based on changes, and the rest either grew frustrated through lack of understanding or being told that the source material would explain everything. New York, Entertainment weekly and a few others specifically complained that the movie's attempt to adapt the comic as faithfully as possible basically ended up turning anyone who didn't know the comic away.
Watchmen is far from a perfect movie but given what it had to work with, it didn't come out half bad.
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That being said, Jeffery Combs Question is best character.
This is fact
/comeonatme
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That being said, Jeffery Combs Question is best character.
This is fact
I don't believe nothing is unfilmable...but whether the person people behind the film were capable of doing it..and that's where the problem lies in trying to adapt one material to the medium of film.
But i agree with the Question..they should just have him play that character on the big screen or live action. And to me the woman who did the voice of Amanda Waller in the JL cartoons should play her on the big screen too as she is an actress that has appeared on many films and tv shows. She's the only one to nail Waller correctly and this is a good chance to get the casting right on this one instead of hiring someone else for more money.
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Well, if a Suicide Squad movie is indeed moving foward, they need to have Amanda Waller's character in there. Though, I suspect they won't use the overweight woman from the earlier incarnations. I am 100% sure that they'll use someone along the lines of Waller character from the Arrow TV show.
Outside of that, the only other major question mark is: Aquaman. 'Cause Shazam is basically Big but with Super Powers, this one is gonna be tough to adapt, because it'll be a tad expensive.
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Well, if a Suicide Squad movie is indeed moving foward, they need to have Amanda Waller's character in there. Though, I suspect they won't use the overweight woman from the earlier incarnations. I am 100% sure that they'll use someone along the lines of Waller character from the Arrow TV show.
Outside of that, the only other major question mark is: Aquaman. 'Cause Shazam is basically Big but with Super Powers, this one is gonna be tough to adapt, because it'll be a tad expensive.
No way...Arow's Amanda Waller is crap.
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102481/3692695-3648065516-the_s.jpg)
This is the woman i'm on about, C.H.H. Pounder who did the voice of Amanda Waller in the cartoons. Hardly overweight and she has the character down exactly. She's been in dozens of big movies....so its a no brainer that they should go with her. Apperently Amanda Waller is meant to appear in Batman vs Superman...so it'll probably won't be her. Like with Clancy Brown and the casting of Luthor to that brat who was in the social network who is now luthor in that upcoming film its another missed oppourtunity...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruwIBT-noAs&safe=active (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruwIBT-noAs&safe=active)
This is her in action in how AW should be played...
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I agree with some of the criticism that the action was too 'action hero' considering that in the comics it just felt like regular people fighting. Sorta dropped the ball there, but regardless of these little hiccups you expect from 'comic' to 'movie', it was really entertaining and well done. Better than the comic? Never. Watchmen is revered as a comicbook for a reason. Its like Wizard of Oz, totally different from the book but iconic in its own way.
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I agree with some of the criticism that the action was too 'action hero' considering that in the comics it just felt like regular people fighting. Sorta dropped the ball there, but regardless of these little hiccups you expect from 'comic' to 'movie', it was really entertaining and well done. Better than the comic? Never. Watchmen is revered as a comicbook for a reason. Its like Wizard of Oz, totally different from the book but iconic in its own way.
I don't know if I would call Watchmen 'Iconic' as a film. I get the feeling it's the opposite and will become forgotten. I personally don't have that much love for it, although that could be because I was such a big fan of the comic. Maybe I just need to watch it again to rekindle my love for the movie.
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One thing I'm wondering is if we're going to get superhero fatigue in the coming years? There's only so many blockbusters about heroes saving the world against an evil threat that people can take after so long and I just don't see this lasting much longer (Especially as Fox and Sony are going to go all in with the superhero licenses they still have.)
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One thing I'm wondering is if we're going to get superhero fatigue in the coming years? There's only so many blockbusters about heroes saving the world against an evil threat that people can take after so long and I just don't see this lasting much longer (Especially as Fox and Sony are going to go all in with the superhero licenses they still have.)
I've been wondering about that myself, but I thought there might have been a slowdown already. I guess it'll depend on how they handle the movies and which properties they use. I think Guardians of the Galaxy was a perfect choice and came at the perfect time. It didn't feel like 'another Marvel movie' at all, it was just a rollicking space opera sci-fi, the kind we haven't had in a long time.
I guess the same could be said of Cap America 2 as well, it was more of a thriller/action movie than a typical cape film? Not quite to the same extent, but a little different. I think they could do some interesting fantasy/spooky stuff with Doctor Strange and try to use a few other characters that don't lend themselves to the usual style to keep mixing things up. Daredevil/Punisher would make great vigilante style movies, although I understand DD is getting a TV series instead and Punisher is still in Limbo.
At least they aren't going ahead with "Punisher: I can't believe it's not Dexter!"
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I agree with some of the criticism that the action was too 'action hero' considering that in the comics it just felt like regular people fighting. Sorta dropped the ball there, but regardless of these little hiccups you expect from 'comic' to 'movie', it was really entertaining and well done. Better than the comic? Never. Watchmen is revered as a comicbook for a reason. Its like Wizard of Oz, totally different from the book but iconic in its own way.
I don't think the Watchmen movie will have too much staying power. Maybe Warner Bros was hoping this would happen and invested in it as much but I think it'll be remember as just an interesting movie. I would put it among something like Kick-Ass 1.
One thing I'm wondering is if we're going to get superhero fatigue in the coming years? There's only so many blockbusters about heroes saving the world against an evil threat that people can take after so long and I just don't see this lasting much longer (Especially as Fox and Sony are going to go all in with the superhero licenses they still have.)
I think there are reasons to say yes and no. The superhero blockbuster formula is a very winning idea and seems easy to sell commercially (how many freaking Batman and Spider-Man movies have we had already.) Plus between the classic superhero icons, Marvel and DC combined, and the accumulation of successful films, they've got stability and freedom to experiment (Ant-Man, Guardians.) On the flip side, I agree with what you say - saturation or fatigue will set in, and DC and Marvel -are- interested in competing with each other. These companies' successes will only push them to make more.
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I don't know how you would even compare Watchmen to Kickass one. One is a comic based on a serious graphic novel, with award winning dialog by Alan Moore and the other one is a 'teen comedy' over the top comic created by Mark Millar (who is in the comic industry known as a very meh writer).
Not that I'm saying Watchmen is anywhere near as good as the comic, but even being based on the comic and getting the dialogue right makes that movie 10x better than Kickass which is just a fun movie.
Its like comparing Sin City to like, X-Men movie to me.
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Not in any sense of artistic merit/how "good" the movies were, tone, or intended target or whatever. I just understood them to be moderately commercial successful movie adaptations of cult hits with mature content. And the movies were released pretty close to each other.
I was trying to convey the degree to which Watchmen movie would be remembered.
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One thing I'm wondering is if we're going to get superhero fatigue in the coming years? There's only so many blockbusters about heroes saving the world against an evil threat that people can take after so long and I just don't see this lasting much longer (Especially as Fox and Sony are going to go all in with the superhero licenses they still have.)
Yes and No. I think the fatigue with these type of superhero movies is that we've been only seeing movies based off Marvel properties. Hence I understand why Warner Brothers, Sony and Fox want to ramp up their products.
Though to be honest, Sony doesn't have a whole lot going on right now: They gave on Ghost Rider, Amazing Spiderman 2's reception has done more harm than good which is why many Sony SH projects are in limbo right now (Sinister Six movie, ASM 3 & 4, Venom movie). Fox has X-Men locked down tight and they still wanna have another go at Fantastic Four.
Warner Brothers announcement has me curious 'cause for the moment, seems to have more diversity than Marvel's current lineup.
The solo movies sandwiched between BvS and JL: Part I & II seem to be a clear way to reserve enginneer their way into having a shared universe and open them up for solo movies.
Batman vs Superman will introduce Wonder Woman, Cyborg and possibly Aquaman, making them game their own solo movie, instead of making solo movies first, then setting up a team.
2016 still feels so far away. Hopefully we'll start getting more info on that Suicide Squad movie.
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I don't know how you would even compare Watchmen to Kickass one. One is a comic based on a serious graphic novel, with award winning dialog by Alan Moore and the other one is a 'teen comedy' over the top comic created by Mark Millar (who is in the comic industry known as a very meh writer).
Not that I'm saying Watchmen is anywhere near as good as the comic, but even being based on the comic and getting the dialogue right makes that movie 10x better than Kickass which is just a fun movie.
Its like comparing Sin City to like, X-Men movie to me.
From what I've heard about the comic of Kick-Ass it's just super-edgy shit. they should have kept the movie like that, and just made it ultra grim-dark BS, like the main characters love interest sending him photos of herself blowing some guy, and him crying and masturbating (i'm not making this up). Now THAT would be remembered, for better or worse.
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YEah, in the comic Big Daddy also lied about Hitgirl's mom being murdered. He just wanted to be a super hero and sold old comics to buy and finance their gun trade. Also in the sequel 'Motherfucker' rapes that girl that Kickass liked, even tho they never really dated in the comics.
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Yeah in the end seems like Kick-Ass the movie was positioned as something more for high schoolers ("what would the parents think!"), maybe college students. Whichever edgy parts they went with were hindered by moments of introspection or reflection, just like general stuff about Hit-Girl and Big Daddy being deranged, Kick-Ass not really understanding being a superhero) Didn't bother with the second one but thought the first one was alright. It was ultimately a lot safer than it looked, though that's not necessarily too bad.
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I did like the first kickass movie, the second was meh. Didn't feel the same as the first film and based on some really fucked up shit that happen in the graphic novel... it was toned down.
The shitty part is that I rather them just drop Kickass movies and move on to other Mark Millar creator own work like a movie for Superior, Jupiter Legacy and Starlight.
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Margot Robbie to play Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad Movie? (http://screenrant.com/suicide-squad-movie-harley-quinn-actress/)
I wonder if this version of Harley Quinn will be more in tune with the New 52 version, I mean she's basically Deadpool.
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Happy 83rd Birthday to Superman !!! :)
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