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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Happy Cat on May 27, 2015, 07:28:14 pm
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following the streak of great SEGA news of SEGA being the best game developers in Japan and their lucrative Casino and Mobile business comes more SEGA related news
The final surprise from #Play #Chapter3. Did any of you see this coming? ^_−☆ #SoMuchMore2015 #Translation3 #SEGAAllstarsRacing
Are you looking forward to the return of So much more? Maybe another all stars racing game is about to get announced.
http://www.tssznews.com/2015/05/27/bentley-jones-teases-so-much-more-remix/ (http://www.tssznews.com/2015/05/27/bentley-jones-teases-so-much-more-remix/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rhs-Ax1upk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rhs-Ax1upk)
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This is why I'm a SEGA fan.
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Remember all the drama surrounding a fucking teaser last time? Great times
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This is why I'm a SEGA fan.
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Remember the botched So Much More music video contest where SEGA explicitly said "NO USING OFFICIAL SEGA ASSETS IN VIDEOS" and of course most of the videos had blatant use of official SEGA materials? Man... there was one video that was so awful, I wish I could still find it...
This one is pretty bad though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UjjWuMATx4
Note the official SEGA licensed shirts? Insta-rule break, disqualified!
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Remember the botched So Much More music video contest where SEGA explicitly said "NO USING OFFICIAL SEGA ASSETS IN VIDEOS" and of course most of the videos had blatant use of official SEGA materials? Man... there was one video that was so awful, I wish I could still find it...
I can honestly say I have zero recollection of that.
I do recall that SASAR was one monumental disappointment after another to the point it made me want to drink bleach. Then I realised I didn't really care that much after all.
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I can honestly say I have zero recollection of that.
I do recall that SASAR was one monumental disappointment after another to the point it made me want to drink bleach. Then I realised I didn't really care that much after all.
To think you were so hyped for it!
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To think you were so hyped for it!
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2jzziCqDM1qzwehro1_500.jpg)
Sega, the company with one of the richest, most diverse catalogues of quality racing games in video game history... and they make "Mario Kart: but with Sonic".
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2jzziCqDM1qzwehro1_500.jpg)
Sega, the company with one of the richest, most diverse catalogues of quality racing games in video game history... and they make "Mario Kart: but with Sonic".
Sorry but I think you're quoting ME when I was trying to show you the light. At least I managed to show you the error of your ways, only to lose Cory because he ended up becoming BFF with S0L .___.
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Hmm, I wonder if that was the turning point for me, as in the moment I realised I should never expect anything good from Sega?
I was so excited for the game, having faith that this would be some amazing Racer's Megamix, and then became so disenchanted with the company.
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Hmm, I wonder if that was the turning point for me, as in the moment I realised I should never expect anything good from Sega?
I was so excited for the game, having faith that this would be some amazing Racer's Megamix, and then became so disenchanted with the company.
I think that's a bit revisionist from you, Vanquish and Yakuza 4 happened in the same year : P
I think your disenchantment hit sometime in late early 2013 when SEGA went full cut down mode and after the failure of Alien: Colonial Marines, Rome II, Company of Heroes 2 DLC, Yakuza 5 shelfed and Virtua Fighter 6 a no show.
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I think that's a bit revisionist from you, Vanquish and Yakuza 4 happened in the same year : P
I think your disenchantment hit sometime in late early 2013 when SEGA went full cut down mode and after the failure of Alien: Colonial Marines, Rome II, Company of Heroes 2 DLC, Yakuza 5 shelfed and Virtua Fighter 6 a no show.
I wasn't trying to be revisionist :(
I was just saying that I was super disappointed with the game and making light of it. You might be right, I also remember Bayonetta 2 being picked up by Nintendo as a case of 'Fuck this company'.
Either way, I've become a better person for it, clearly.
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Either way, I've become a bitter person for it, clearly.
Fixed that statement for you.
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Fixed that statement for you.
Reported for bullying.
MODS!
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Transformed was so gud tho
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Transformed was so gud tho
It was a great kart racer.
But I don't like SEGA's driving games cause they're kart racers. I also hate powerups, I like pure driving mechanics.
Also not enough variation in the IPs.
Either go all Sonic or go all SEGA, not half hearted one way or the other.
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But I don't like SEGA's driving games cause they're kart racers. I also hate powerups, I like pure driving mechanics.
Either go all Sonic or go all SEGA, not half hearted one way or the other.
I guess if you don't like kart racers you... won't like kart racers.
I agree with your second point. I much prefer if they focused the game on all of Sega and not be 50% Sonic shit and 50% Sega awesome. I like Sonic, but Racing Megamix sounds much better.
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I guess if you don't like kart racers you... won't like kart racers.
I agree with your second point. I much prefer if they focused the game on all of Sega and not be 50% Sonic shit and 50% Sega awesome. I like Sonic, but Racing Megamix sounds much better.
Yeah so that's my problem, I expected something from SEGA rather than something that's popular (Kart) racers, so once I saw the title I was disappointed.
Honestly I'd have no issue if it was completely Sonic, there's a lot of awesome zones and characters you can explore in the Sonic universe. However if you try to cater to the universal SEGA fanbase and Sonic fanbase, one of them is unfortunately going to be left unsatisfied.
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Not to mention how utterly creatively bankrupt they were for some stuff.
Instead of Green Shells, we have... a Green boxing glove.
GG's Sumo, no re.
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Not to mention how utterly creatively bankrupt they were for some stuff.
Instead of Green Shells, we have... a Green boxing glove.
GG's Sumo, no re.
Japanese version had Puyos for power ups.
This is why I really wanted SEGA Japan to handle it, they're more willing to embrace their legacy.
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There should only be Sega Japan, and teams to port all their stuff
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There should only be Sega Japan, and teams to port all their stuff
Which team would develop Total War?
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Either go all Sonic or go all SEGA, not half hearted one way or the other.
So a Sega Fanservice game without Sonic? That's even possible?It would sell like that?
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So a Sega Fanservice game without Sonic? That's even possible?It would sell like that?
I meant only one Sonic character instead of the seven we got in the original.
It was made worse because of the fact another 3 characters were from Sonic Team games. One development studio at SEGA had a representation of 50%, it really was an awful selection.
Very much came off as SEGA Europe being unable to accept their Japanese legacy and going with the safest possible bet.
Although wither it would sell or not is another matter entirely, I was willing to overlook the "karting" game style as long as they got the playable characters right, they didn't even. A better attempt in the sequel but still so many missed opportunities...
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I meant only one Sonic character instead of the seven we got in the original.
It was made worse because of the fact another 3 characters were from Sonic Team games. One development studio at SEGA had a representation of 50%, it really was an awful selection.
Very much came off as SEGA Europe being unable to accept their Japanese legacy and going with the safest possible bet.
Although wither it would sell or not is another matter entirely, I was willing to overlook the "karting" game style as long as they got the playable characters right, they didn't even. A better attempt in the sequel but still so many missed opportunities...
Well, if you put likethat, Fighters Megamix commited the same cons.
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Well, if you put likethat, Fighters Megamix commited the same cons.
Fighters Megamix was an AM2 crossover, not Sega.
It was also a 3D fighting game that drew on characters primarily from 3D Fighting games.
SARS was a racing game that drew primarily from platform characters and random bits and bobs from every genre EXCEPT racing games.
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Transformed did a much better job in representing more than just Sonic and giving the SEGA racing past representation. We had the Hornet, the OutRun car (on the Wii U), and an OutRun course as well as the Hang-On arcade machine. Actually, I believe ASRT had LESS Sonic representation: the first game had 8 Sonic racers and 9 Sonic tracks while the second had 7 Sonic racers and 5 Sonic tracks (which in and of itself had more franchise variety).
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I don't get what you guys mean when you say there wasn't enough Sega representation. They hit all the key, major franchises with Transformed, stuff like Panzer Dragoon, House of the Dead, NiGHTS, Space Channel 5, even brought out frigging Burning Rangers just for fun. I can kind of understand not liking how much Sonic Team rep was in the game, but if it was JUST Sonic being represented, then we'd get people complaing about no Ristar, no NiGHTS, etc.
It would be cool if they hit some of the more recent Sega givings, Hatsune Miku, Madworld, and Bayonetta for example, or more obscure stuff like Vectorman, but for imo Transformed gave a very well-rounded roster that represented a good chunk of history (with the exception of Danica Patrick, I still don't understand why she was in the game).
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I don't get what you guys mean when you say there wasn't enough Sega representation. They hit all the key, major franchises with Transformed, stuff like Panzer Dragoon, House of the Dead, NiGHTS, Space Channel 5, even brought out frigging Burning Rangers just for fun. I can kind of understand not liking how much Sonic Team rep was in the game, but if it was JUST Sonic being represented, then we'd get people complaing about no Ristar, no NiGHTS, etc.
It would be cool if they hit some of the more recent Sega givings, Hatsune Miku, Madworld, and Bayonetta for example, or more obscure stuff like Vectorman, but for imo Transformed gave a very well-rounded roster that represented a good chunk of history (with the exception of Danica Patrick, I still don't understand why she was in the game).
They are referring to SEGA's past racing games and how the first ASR didn't do a thing to represent the liked of Scud Race, Daytona USA, Hang-On, OutRun and others. Even Sonic Free Riders had more SEGA racing representation than ASR.
Having said that, I still like ASR but I think ASRT did "So Much More" with non-Sonic IPs and did a good job in representing SEGA's racing legacy. I still think ASRT needed a little more SEGA racing rep, like Three Seven Speedway and a few other classic tracks, but overall I think ASRT is the better game and a sequel done right.
The weapons... I wasn't so bothered with. I get that Sumo is making a SEGA All-Stars title, but I think they have the right to make the game their own in some areas.
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They are referring to SEGA's past racing games and how the first ASR didn't do a thing to represent the liked of Scud Race, Daytona USA, Hang-On, OutRun and others. Even Sonic Free Riders had more SEGA racing representation than ASR.
Ooooohhh, I must've been misreading stuff in that case.
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The thing is that Kart racers = moscots. Not tributes to racing games.
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I do love my SASRT on my vita for quick play or sometimes just to watch the scenery and listenin to the awesome remixed SEGA's music.
No matter how you guys may not like it, at least it's still a lot lot better than Atari Karts.
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I think ASRT is better in alot of ways than Mario Kart 8 and in a lot of ways worse. I think the variety of characters, challenge modes, tracks are all ace. I even think having 3 styles of racing is a good idea. I like the way it handles for cars.
But Mario Kart 8 has better overall handling, ASRT had this weird physics thing with water that screwed up runs and was frustrating. Mario Kart's track selection is a lot of repeats and their character selection is laughable.
I really hope they make a new one with improvements, I think it can do really, really well.
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The weapons... I wasn't so bothered with. I get that Sumo is making a SEGA All-Stars title, but I think they have the right to make the game their own in some areas.
Make it their own by ctrl+C, ctrl+V'ing Mario Kart?
That was my biggest disappointment in the game, as well as having it very item heavy in the first place.
I guess that's what Sega wanted, and it seemed to work for them. This arcade racer dinosaur has no place in this world anymore :(
I don't get what you guys mean when you say there wasn't enough Sega representation. They hit all the key, major franchises with Transformed, stuff like Panzer Dragoon, House of the Dead, NiGHTS, Space Channel 5, even brought out frigging Burning Rangers just for fun. I can kind of understand not liking how much Sonic Team rep was in the game, but if it was JUST Sonic being represented, then we'd get people complaing about no Ristar, no NiGHTS, etc.
It would be cool if they hit some of the more recent Sega givings, Hatsune Miku, Madworld, and Bayonetta for example, or more obscure stuff like Vectorman, but for imo Transformed gave a very well-rounded roster that represented a good chunk of history (with the exception of Danica Patrick, I still don't understand why she was in the game).
Billy Hatcher had like, 3 fucking tracks in the game. That alone meant I will never, ever play it.
I think ASRT is better in alot of ways than Mario Kart 8 and in a lot of ways worse. I think the variety of characters, challenge modes, tracks are all ace. I even think having 3 styles of racing is a good idea. I like the way it handles for cars.
You're not alone, I commonly see people laud Transformed as a really good kart racer, that's better than MK8 in a lot of ways.
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Make it their own by ctrl+C, ctrl+V'ing Mario Kart?
In what sense? Nearly every kart racer has similar items because there are only so many ways you can attack and affect vehicles. Unguided projectiles, guided projectiles, vision obscuring, reversed controls, attack the leader, speed up. While ASR and ASRT didn't use SEGA-inspired things for items, the effects would be the same and people would still be complaining about the Mario Kart comparison. When it comes to weapons in any kart racing game, Mario Kart is brought up because it was the first to use what has since become common kart racing items.
I give ASRT credit for doing a good job with the balance of items, and in some cases items function better in ASRT than Mario Kart. For example, the hornets attack punishes first place racers but still gives them a chance to evade the attack.
Billy Hatcher had like, 3 fucking tracks in the game. That alone meant I will never, ever play it.
Moody was referring to Transformed, Transformed only had one Billy Hatcher track. While the original game had three, let's not forget that Sumo did this across the board with tracks. The original did have weak track variety, but are you serious in saying that you have never actually played the original All-Stars Racing and that is your excuse? In that case, is it worth debating with you when you just said you have never played the game to begin with?
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Moody was referring to Transformed, Transformed only had one Billy Hatcher track. While the original game had three, let's not forget that Sumo did this across the board with tracks. The original did have weak track variety, but are you serious in saying that you have never actually played the original All-Stars Racing and that is your excuse? In that case, is it worth debating with you when you just said you have never played the game to begin with?
Well we aren't really debating, I'm just saying why I don't like the look of it.
No I haven't played it (well I played the demo of the first but the demo was either legitimately broken or something), I thought this was common knowledge that I can barely stomach the game. It's not just the tracks but a large factor of things, primarily that I don't particularly like the look of the game play, the selected characters, tracks, weapons etc. Basically nothing in the game looks appealing to me.
It was the same for Sonic Generations, I finally decided to try it earlier this year, and gave up when it required me to start collecting keys or something to progress.
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You quit Generations because of the 4 mini-games you have to do?
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You quit Generations because of the 4 mini-games you have to do?
Because I didn't find it fun enough to continue revisiting levels of mini-games, yes.
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So you've never played ASR outside of the demo? Was it PS3? Because from what I recall the PS3 demo was the Billy Hatcher track.
Anyway, I gotta say that right now you are embodying one of my biggest gaming pet peeves: people who have a strong dislike for a game they never even played. While you are right in some points on the original's negatives, the fact that you have never even played the game outside of a demo on a Billy Hatcher track, and only with AI racers to boot, makes your strong opinions on the game invalid.
Here we are on page three discussing the game that you've hardly played, yet you can type: "I do recall that SASAR was one monumental disappointment after another to the point it made me want to drink bleach. Then I realised I didn't really care that much after all."
Regarding Generations and the keys, each Zone/World had ten side missions each scattered above the main entrance in the hub world. All you had to do was play ONE side mission to progress. So really, you're making excuses and making the game out to be more difficult than it actually was. Many of the side missions featured unique maps and objectives pulled from the classic games. If the game required EVERY side mission to progress, then I'd agree it is too much, but it is ONE side mission to progress. That's it. Compare that to Colors where you have around seven acts per zone and you have to complete every single one to move on.
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At least the minigames in Generations had variety. Sure, you had time trial and and racing for every level, but all the others were at least unique to that specific level, and if you didn't like the selection for one Sonic, you could switch to the other Sonic and get another, totally different set of mini-games with just as much variety. You're not revisiting the same levels, you're doing new challenges in the backdrop of those levels. I don't see what your deal is.
Back on topic, MadeMan, your opinion of arcade kart racers having no place in this day and age is just flat out false. People have different tastes, I myself don't really like realistic racing games, I can never get a hold of their handling for very long. The only one I've invested very much time into was Sega GT 2002, and even then I don't really like it that much. I'm all over arcade-style racers though, I just think they're a lot more fun, and of course there's bad ones, but saying they have no place in this world is just flat-out uncalled for.
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You quit Generations because of the 4 mini-games you have to do?
Wasn't it only three? One for Genesis, one for Dreamcast, one for Modern. That is a really weak excuse if that is the case. Side missions descriptions are clearly laid out, so you know what each one entails and you can pick and choose. Many are a few minutes each tops, and while not every one is a winner (the Vector one comes to mind) there are more than enough good ones per zone to make it a non-issue.
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^ You had to do one minigame per level, but the Sonic you did it with didn't matter. So you had to do three minigames total in each world, after completing both versions of each main level.
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^ You had to do one minigame per level, but the Sonic you did it with didn't matter. So you had to do three minigames total in each world, after completing both versions of each main level.
That's right, 3 per world, 9 in all out of 90. So the game only requires 9 out of 90 missions to be completed to progress. It's a cake walk.
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So you've never played ASR outside of the demo? Was it PS3? Because from what I recall the PS3 demo was the Billy Hatcher track.
Anyway, I gotta say that right now you are embodying one of my biggest gaming pet peeves: people who have a strong dislike for a game they never even played. While you are right in some points on the original's negatives, the fact that you have never even played the game outside of a demo on a Billy Hatcher track, and only with AI racers to boot, makes your strong opinions on the game invalid.
Here we are on page three discussing the game that you've hardly played, yet you can type: "I do recall that SASAR was one monumental disappointment after another to the point it made me want to drink bleach. Then I realised I didn't really care that much after all."
Regarding Generations and the keys, each Zone/World had ten side missions each scattered above the main entrance in the hub world. All you had to do was play ONE side mission to progress. So really, you're making excuses and making the game out to be more difficult than it actually was. Many of the side missions featured unique maps and objectives pulled from the classic games. If the game required EVERY side mission to progress, then I'd agree it is too much, but it is ONE side mission to progress. That's it. Compare that to Colors where you have around seven acts per zone and you have to complete every single one to move on.
You're taking me too seriously Barrington, my irrational hatred for the game has been a running joke with me and members of this forum for a while.
I'm not saying the game is mechanically bad, I even pointed out to George I keep hearing good things about transformed. I just don't want to play it, because it doesn't appeal to me. I'm not particularly fond of Kart racers, and when I was disappointed to the level of drinking bleach I explained because it was basically nothing like I wanted or expected and ended up being 'Mario Kart with Sonic'. I don't think we can really argue that.
As for Generations, it's nothing to do with difficulty so much as I just wasn't having fun and stopped playing. I did a few side missions already and they felt like padding. I just wanted to get on with the main levels (which also weren't pulling me in by the balls to be honest) and then seeing the game have an unlock mechanic through these side missions, I just thought, 'Eh, don't feel like playing this right now' and then I never went back to it.
It's not a case of 'this is too hard', but rather, 'this game is already barely holding my attention, backtracking with even less fun side missions = I don't feel like playing anymore'.
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Never take Mademan's posts seriously, got it!
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Never take Mademan's posts seriously, got it!
When it comes to me making exaggurated claims about how bad Sonic Racing is, sure. I don't need to have everyone jump on me and defend the game each time I say I declared war on Israel because of how bad it was.
Otherwise, I am trying to explain my points and be civil, especially in regards to why I didn't want to play Sonic Racing, and especially in why I didn't enjoy Sonic Generations and stopped playing. I took the time to write my thoughts down and explain it to you.
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Doesn't mean we can't dispute your points.
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Doesn't mean we can't dispute your points.
Exactly my point, please respond to my points instead of making a one-liner in response:
Never take Mademan's posts seriously, got it!
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I and others have been responding for 3+ pages, but then you play the "I'm only joking" card and admit you have hardly played the games and take the "eh, they're just not my thing" route. By that point, I see no reason to put so much energy in replies to you on this topic.
Also, this topic was about a So Much More remix (ugh) to begin with, so maybe it's best we disperse and let it drift to the bottom of the forums. :P
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I and others have been responding for 3+ pages, but then you play the "I'm only joking" card and admit you have hardly played the games and take the "eh, they're just not my thing" route. By that point, I see no reason to put so much energy in replies to you on this topic.
And after you and Moody responded I gave a legitimate explanation to why I didn't want to play Sonic Racing and the problems I had, as well as explaining why I stopped Sonic Generations. I was miffed because you basically ignored it and just said "I won't take your posts seriously".
The 'I was joking' was only because you were taking the argument too seriously about the gameplay mechanics rather than the problems I had with the game overall and why I didn't want to play it in the first place. It wasn't meant to be a 'brush off all my arguments', others echoed that the game has pretty poor selection of IPs and unoriginal elements overall. I was trying to explain why I dislike the game despite the fact that it's apparently a decent Kart Racer underneath.
So Much More was just the final thing that made the game seem like a bad joke in my eyes :p
(Did Bentley ever do more work for s
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I think once AAUK left SEGA, Bentley Jones no longer did any work for them. He was one of Jones' major supporters, also its funny how So Much More is so tucked away. Only plays briefly in the cup ceremony (without vocals if I recall) and over the credits which I think it only after 100% completion or just viewable in the menus.
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It was terrible they got Bentley Jones to do the theme in the first whilst the actual SEGA legend Mitsuyoshi was relegated to, well, nothing. At least he's the commentator in the Japanese version of Sonic & Allstars Racing Transformed.
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It was terrible they got Bentley Jones to do the theme in the first whilst the actual SEGA legend Mitsuyoshi was relegated to, well, nothing. At least he's the commentator in the Japanese version of Sonic & Allstars Racing Transformed.
For once it's SEGA Europe's fault for something!
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For once it's SEGA Europe's fault for something!
Yes but America gave us Danica Patrick. So we win again Barry-kun : 3
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Yes but America gave us Danica Patrick. So we win again Barry-kun : 3
Danica Patrick is Sega DNA, just like Football Manager and Shogun (also featured in the game).
EDIT: Before jimmies get rustled, I should point out I actually thought that Football Manager & Shogun being in the game was a really nice touch.
Wreck it Ralf & Yogscast or whoever can fuck right off though.
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Danica Patrick is Sega DNA, just like Football Manager and Shogun (also featured in the game).
EDIT: Before jimmies get rustled, I should point out I actually thought that Football Manager & Shogun being in the game was a really nice touch.
Wreck it Ralf & Yogscast or whoever can fuck right off though.
Wreck it Ralph was a good idea too I felt, Sonic and Robotnik is in the movie, kids will watch the movie, it's decent crosspromotion.
Danica Patrick was a horrbile mistake. And after finding out about the type of people Yogscast crew I, I have my reservation on them. The only good thing was it was done for charity, so I cannot completely hate the idea I guess.
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I'm not arguing marketing monies, in terms of that, sure, whore out the game however you can. I'm just saying I didn't like their addition because it kind of cheapens the game in my mind, all the 'guest' characters.
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