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Title: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 06, 2013, 09:44:40 am
Let's all put our 1997 Sonic fanboy faces on and predict the future!


We know a new big Sonic game is coming out, let's try to predict it based on the rumors going around so we can say "see, I told you it would suck" when it comes out.


Some notes I gathered the past few weeks:
   - Sega is keen on making a WiiU Sonic
   - Shadow the Hedgehog 2 is a possibility
   - Hunnid P is making some sweet beats for a new Sonic game


My guess is:
   - Urban feel to the game akin to SA2 (a spiritual successor/new entry to the Adventure series)
   - Hedgehog Engine
   - Sonic, Knux and Shadow as playable characters (each with their gameplay traits, but all have regular A->B stages, no hunting)
   - Chao Garden (online Chao market oh yes)
   - Super Knuckles beats the final boss
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2013, 12:17:58 pm
I have a feeling that it'll be more of the same of the Colors/Generations style, though likely with some gimmick for the Wii U.


I'm *hoping* though that it's in a larger, more "action/adventure" game-style context similar to Unleashed's hub worlds.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: max_cady on January 06, 2013, 12:54:47 pm
If the game is somewhere along the lines of Generations then I'm all for it.

If they had the massive hub worlds from Sonic Unleashed, but the stages had to be somewhere along the lines of the ones made in Generations, I'd second that motion.

If nothing else, Sonic Generations 2....
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 06, 2013, 02:59:10 pm
I can't see a Wii U exclusive title happening, but I can see a multi-platform Sonic title with Wii U exclusive features (a la All-Stars Racing Transformed). Wii had titles like Colors and the storybook games because it simply wasn't possible to port games like '06, Unleashed and Generations. The History of Sonic book (highly recommended) made it pretty clear that Sonic Team's intent was to have Sonic's games be multi-platform with Wii/360/PS3, but '06 taught them that this wasn't possible which lead to Secret Rings. They tried to do what they planned on doing with '06 with the WiiS2 Unleashed, but I think the PS2/Wii version was just effort that would have been better spent on a Wii exclusive title. I think gamers saw the SD version of Unleashed as a gimped version and so did Sonic Team staff. Thus explaining why they just up and made a brand new title with Colors when Generations was releasing the following year to the HD consoles. I don't think Generations was ever intended to be made for Wii, as Sonic Team already learned their lesson with '06 and Unleashed.

The only time I think we'll see Nintendo exclusive Sonic games is on the 3DS, and Mario & Sonic on the Wii U.

Now they don't have that issue, since Wii U is at the 360/PS3 level. So my prediction is:

• Boxed main series game for 360/PS3/Wii U - Wii U gets features that 360/PS3 doesn't have, and it ends up being the last main series Sonic game for the 360 and PS3. Sonic Team will develop the following main series title for the 720, PS4 and Wii U. 3DS version may or may not happen, given ASRT and possibly Mario & Sonic releasing to 3DS in 2013. Personally I'd like a 3DS platformer that isn't a handheld version of a console title. Rush and Rush Adventure were great, Colors and Generations 3DS were good but don't beat the Advance or Rush series.

• Mario & Sonic 2014 Winter Olympics for Wii U/3DS - not sure if SEGA's olympic contract ran up or not. I could see this either releasing late 2013 (in line with past Olympic titles) or early 2014 (more dev time due to it being a new platform) 

• Sonic 4 Episode 3 - this is 50/50, but I'm leaning towards it happening. SEGA is focusing more on digital, and I think Episode 2 made a profit.

• Sonic rerelease(s) - likely candidates are Chaotix, Sonic R and Sonic Heroes.

I'm *hoping* though that it's in a larger, more "action/adventure" game-style context similar to Unleashed's hub worlds.

I've been playing Sonic Rush Adventure for the first time this past week, and I'd love to see the island system implemented into a game. The island concept of the Sonic series has always been cool to me (South Island, Westside Island, Angel Island) and I'd think it would be cool to have a sandbox style map where you can fly about in the Tornado to reach various islands (each acting as an action stage). They could either have a free flying control, like Just Cause 2 or the GTA games, or a point A->B style mini game like the gummi ship in Kingdom Hearts 2 or the boating stages in Rush Adventure. The key would be to not make these annoying (Unleashed flying stages), too difficult or too long (Unleashed flying stages). I thought the Rush Adventure boating segments were a good length, a few minutes. Perhaps populate the sky with cool power ups and vintage aerial badniks. And of course, once you visit an island, you can jump right to it via a map screen.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 06, 2013, 03:16:50 pm
Some notes I gathered the past few weeks:
   - Sega is keen on making a WiiU Sonic
   - Shadow the Hedgehog 2 is a possibility
   - Hunnid P is making some sweet beats for a new Sonic game

Come again?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on January 06, 2013, 03:49:46 pm
Come again?

With Iizuka-san, anything is a possiblity! LOL kinda hard to predict what direction sonic games go in, cause he get these crazy ideas you think would never happen.

Anyways, i mostly agree with barry, I think we'll be seeing a boxed sonic game this year for the 3 HD platforms, but I'm also expecting more digital sonic games, personally.

also crackdude, if you want to add it to the OP, Iizuka-san said at SONIC BOOM that there is no immediate plans for Sonic Adventure 3, but if fans want it, then he will make it. He said that with a big smile. He seemed like he was really pleased to see that fans really want another Adventure game.

Oh, Iizuka-san also said in an interview hes looking forward to next gen, so he can do real time lighting calculations and give sonic "more presence". LOL whatever that means, i think he means more realistic graphics.. but not realistic, lol, he said in the interview he doesn't want photo real, but wants to give sonic more presence.

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"I don't think Sonic will ever become photo-real," Iizuka said. "I think Sonic will always remain stylised and will have that bright, colourful world. What the high hardware spec will allow us to do is make that more convincing.

"For example, for Sonic Generations, in the Hedgehog Engine, we used Global Illumination - GI technology - for the lighting system. But increasing the hardware spec will allow us to have real-time lighting calculations, so dynamically changing lighting happening. That's just one example of where the hardware is limiting us in doing what we really could do. So by having higher end hardware spec, we'll be able to do, for example, the real-time lighting calculations. That will give more presence to Sonic.

"We're not after realism. We're after making it more convincing. So we're still going for that stylised, bright and colourful Sonic look. We're not going for photo-real."

oh and another tidbit

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"Sonic over its past 20 years has evolved a lot," he told Eurogamer. "In that, there are two distinct, different play styles. There's the 2D side-scrolling platform action Sonic, and the forward view 3D action platform action Sonic. With the Sonic 4 series we've created that side-scrolling 2D platform action.

"But I'm also interested in the challenge of doing something completely new with the 3D Sonic's forward view platform action, and bring something new to the table with that as well."
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: MadeManG74 on January 06, 2013, 04:14:07 pm
I should give Sonic Generations another shot, I only played it for about 15 minutes, but it seemed alright. The game seems like fun, I just didn't like the way they selected levels or the levels they ended up choosing either.

Also my first reaction when I saw a giant time eating monster in the opening cut scene was *Abort! Abort!*, but I'll just skip the cut scenes I think.

But yeah, back on topic, I dunno. I guess some successor to Sonic Gens in that there won't be any gimmick characters like the werewolf. Maybe just a game with Sonic and Knuckles or something, two different gameplay styles across 2D and 3D levels.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on January 06, 2013, 04:32:27 pm
OOOOH!!!!

Remember that stuff Iizuka said about making a new standard modern Sonic. XD I wonder if we will see any of that.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 06, 2013, 04:58:47 pm
OOOOH!!!!

Remember that stuff Iizuka said about making a new standard modern Sonic. XD I wonder if we will see any of that.
I remember this as well! I hope it doesn't turn out to be something in the lines of 06's terrible character design (longer spikes cause sonic is older wtf)


The island thing Barry was imagining would be pretty cool.


Doesn't anyone else want to see the chaos gardens make a return?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 06, 2013, 05:29:23 pm

Doesn't anyone else want to see the chaos gardens make a return?

The problem with chao gardens is that while diverting, they don't affect the core game at all.  I wouldn't want them wasting time/effort on them until the franchise finds its feet a bit more. 

As for what I would like to see, I'm hoping for a spiritual successor to Colors for all three hd platforms. 

More than anything though, I want them to work on making sonic more of a joy to control in 3d space.  I enjoyed colors/generations but sonic was still an absolute nightmare to control at slow speeds.  We need a sonic that is able to successfully platform in 3d space without the aid of the homing attack, something we've never seen done successfully before in the franchise.

This might be controversial but in order to achieve this, they need to SLOW THE GAME THE FUCK DOWN and sacrifice some of that speed for control.  I think Yoshi with the chili pepper power up from Galaxy2 is a good example of balanced speed and control.  It will make the games 10x more fun, if less of a visual spectacle.  This would also let them make levels with more actual hazards as opposed to long empty tracks that you're expected to boost through. 
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: MadeManG74 on January 06, 2013, 06:24:44 pm
^Agreed on slowing the game down. The Sonic genesis games weren't a case of just moving fast as fuck through railroads with those speed boosters everywhere. Although they did change that a bit since unleashed didn't they?

As for my dream, they would make it 2D. But that won't happen.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 06, 2013, 06:41:12 pm
Chao gardens only existed because of the VMU. SEGA had a flagship title launching with the Dreamcast, and they needed it to take full advantage of the console's features. Once the Dreamcast games ended, so did (appropriately) the Chao gardens.

I totally get that there are some fans who loved the Chao gardens and want them to return (not referring to anybody here, just talking about the fandom in general) but I'd hope that those people would understand why they were in the games to begin with. Sonic 2's addition of the spin dash was an evolution on the 2D gameplay formula, the Chao gardens were a Dreamcast gimmick. Really, if people are playing Sonic games for virtual pets, I don't know why they don't just move on to other games that are virtual pets first and foremost.

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At best, SEGA could have an iOS/Android/Windows Phone Chao game that integrated with a console Sonic game, but its really not a must for the series and frankly would be wasted dev time. I'd rather they perfect the Sonic gameplay and not focus on stuff like Chaos and Werehogs.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 06, 2013, 06:41:40 pm

@MademanYes, it's not as fast as Unleashed.
I think Sonic controlled smoothly at low speeds in Sonic Adventure. If there was a way to have sections like the SA1 ample levels with nice platforming instead of the dumb 2D ones it would be great.
GOTTA GO FAST zones intertwined by smooth multipath gameplay
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 06, 2013, 06:45:36 pm
Generations Seaside Hill stage was, for me, the perfect marriage of ZOMG Unleashed speed and Sonic Adventure gameplay. It was just such a joy to play, there was 3D exploration, quick gimmicks, fun 2D sections and some speedy boost bits that were really well implemented. Like the water running and zooming around corners.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 06, 2013, 06:51:11 pm
On the chaos Barry,
I disagree

The chao garden is something that was already in place in Nights into Dreams (waay before VMUs). Albeit way simplified.
But when you get down to it, all the chao evolution, breeding and racing aspects would be pointless if the main focus was the VMU (the experience on the VMU was mostly the same regardless of chao used).

Not only that, the chao garden is a MAJOR easy replay value boost. Gotta get dem animals and drives.
And that iOS idea thing seems nice.

Anyway, it's not a central aspect of the game or gameplay at all. But it has a huge cult following. Me included of course.


On the Seaside Hill, you may be right.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 06, 2013, 06:57:08 pm
I agree that they were an evolution of the Nightopeans, which were themselves a hands-off AI garden. But what I meant to get across was that the Chaos were very much hand in hand with the VMU. I'm certain SEGA higher ups tasked Sonic Team with making something that would utilize the VMU, and Naka and Iizuka decided to carry over their NiGHTS concept and evolve it. But beyond the Dreamcast, I just don't see a place for them. But I do get their popularity. I myself was a big Chao head in the DC days.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 06, 2013, 08:14:52 pm
Generations Seaside Hill stage was, for me, the perfect marriage of ZOMG Unleashed speed and Sonic Adventure gameplay. It was just such a joy to play, there was 3D exploration, quick gimmicks, fun 2D sections and some speedy boost bits that were really well implemented. Like the water running and zooming around corners.

This is interesting because while I eventually found seaside hill fun to play(I actually find myself replaying it the most now), I think it's kind of a mess level design wise.  The camera is constantly forcing a perspective and the objectives are pretty unclear most of the time in terms of which way you should go.  Water running can go away forever as far as I'm concerned unless you can actually fall through the water to an alternate path below.  Obviously nothing in seaside hill was as offensive as the water running segments in Unleashed but still, they're home to some of the cheapest deaths.  Seaside hill in general requires you to memorize paths rather than react organically to situations, something I hope to avoid in future games.  The level does have a nice sense of variety though, that much is certain.       
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: MadeManG74 on January 06, 2013, 11:17:49 pm
To build on what Barry mentioned about exploration in Seaside Hill... what about a 3D Sonic game where the levels aren't just giant race-tracks/obstacle courses? That works pretty well, but what about big open stages where it's not 'A to B fast as you can' but more exploration and platforming based? Like the adventure hubs, but more than just hubs
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 07, 2013, 12:46:07 am
To build on what Barry mentioned about exploration in Seaside Hill... what about a 3D Sonic game where the levels aren't just giant race-tracks/obstacle courses? That works pretty well, but what about big open stages where it's not 'A to B fast as you can' but more exploration and platforming based? Like the adventure hubs, but more than just hubs

I would be in complete support of that.  Exploration is the chocolate to this franchises peanut butter as S3&K and Colors demonstrate.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on January 07, 2013, 02:03:06 am
I'm having a more passive stance about this so i'll just wait and see.

Though Preferably I would like to see a good execution of the adventure(1, not 2) formula.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on January 07, 2013, 06:06:54 am
Sonic Colours 2...or if not, something along that line...even a spin-off would suffice.

Episode 3 to conclude Sonic 4.

Probably an original 3DS game that takes advantage of the 3D as a gimmick. "Sonic Blur"?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 07, 2013, 11:40:34 am
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15zk5m/sonic_propel/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15zk5m/sonic_propel/)


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Project - PROPEL
The game will be available on the XBOX 360, Playstation 3 and Wii U, with a separate edition on the Nintendo 3DS to be developed by Dimps. Developed by the same team behind Sonic Colors and told to be using a modification of the so-called Hedgehog Engine from Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Generations, Propel is allegedly inspired by the successful re-release of Christian Whitehead’s Sonic CD, featuring a slight modification on the Modern Sonic design, and multiple Metal Sonics for the hero to tackle. Dialogue, plot and story background will remain at a minimum, and gameplay will encourage exploration, according to the post.

Eggman is allegedly set to restart the Death Egg project in Propel, and Tails will be part of the adventure as well, again assuming a utility role a la Sonic 4: Episode II and helping Sonic get to high, hard to reach places. Propel allegedly includes a three act structure, plus three additional “challenge” acts that are hidden and can be unlocked while playing. Chaos Emeralds are set to return in this alleged game, and that means Super Sonic should as well.


Just some rumors.. Wouldn't mind all that much if they were true.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 07, 2013, 12:38:05 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15zk5m/sonic_propel/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15zk5m/sonic_propel/)



Just some rumors.. Wouldn't mind all that much if they were true.

I mean it does sound lovely. . .
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on January 07, 2013, 12:40:29 pm
I could see that happening, repair the damage Dimps has done to 2D Sonic in 2013, and buy time for Iizuka-san's next gen master piece that hes working on right now. Maybe he'll even name his masterpiece Sonic Adventure 3.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Pao on January 07, 2013, 01:38:10 pm
I want more 3D platforming this time, Generations was pretty good, but I was disappointed that most of the platforming you did in the game was when the camera turns 2D, even though its a 3D game (Modern Stages).  Some levels did 3D platforming well, like Sky Sanctuary and Crisis City. But we need more focus on that aspect in future titles.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on January 07, 2013, 01:48:29 pm
it's difficult to say how the next Sonic game will actually LOOK like...
 
In Colors we had surreal worlds
 
In Unleashed realistic (but colorful) ones
 
And in Generations traditional Sonic Artstyle (for the Genesis era anyway)
 
Besides that I can't think of any broad Sonic tropes. We may actually get a specific theme like in Rush Adventure and the Storybook games.

Also a Outrun Styled progression system would be sweet
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 07, 2013, 01:55:18 pm
Also a Outrun Styled progression system would be sweet
Shadow the Hedgehog. only the dead know peace from this rustling
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on January 07, 2013, 02:07:42 pm
Shadow the Hedgehog. only the dead know peace from this rustling

yea, but good. with no mission and stuff
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on January 07, 2013, 11:43:18 pm
someone fluent in Japanese fully translated the rumor for us English peasents viewing pleasure

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*Propel is a working title
*360, ps3 will be launched first, As for the wii version, it will be launched later
*Will be developed by Sonic team's Sonic Colors segment
*There is no indication it will be released for the next Microsoft and Sony units
*As for the success of the Sonic CD digital re-release, more realistic, Propel's art direction will be inspired by this
*As for Sonic's model, some of repetive elements from old classic and modern era like short stiff spines, slinder arms and legs and round body... to a certain extent will be modified
*A generation mechanics featuring slow geared development for more punctual distribution and abundant fine tuning, will be utilized
*The frequently enhanced "Hedgehog Engine", will be implemented in things like better illumination as well as motion blur
*Minimal plot
*As for eggman, 5 unique metal sonics, each with a unique design and functionality will be deployed
*Will probably do a Death Egg that reboots
*A dramatic decrease in interactivity, no more action based cut-scenes
*Eggman will speak abundantly more than the other characters
*Placing emphasis on stage investigation
*Assisting hidden characters in the stage, you can do this as a power-up options similar to flying that could open secret passage ways...
*Tales, in the way of Sonic 4, character fly ability assist function...
*Although you progress via Shadow the Hedgehog style forking levels, depending on several goal rings, it may be an inaccessible landmark(?)
*3 act level structure. When reaching any goal ring, decides the next place you start at in the next act. Whichever rings you obtain determines changes to the cut scene and story progression, as well will slightly alter the boss stage.
*When you hit a rank, there are are 3 hidden challenge deeds
*First stage is Evergreen Escapade
*As for the optional chaos emerald, for gathering all of those you must take different routes and it is necessary to do several theatres (playthrough?)...
*After emeralds are gathered up, you can do super sonic in all leve
*Secret Final Battle when all emeralds are gathered up
*Easy, Medium, Hard degree of difficulty mode, hint bubble as well as warnings/advice can be disabled.
*3DS version is being developed by means of DIMPS
*In the 3DS version, will use an entirely new graphic engine
*In 3DS version, primarily in 2D, via the touch pad control 3D segment shift
*3DS version differing story development
*In 3DS's both version, Tails however is subtited as an assist character

http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?444569-found-some-information-today-on-the-new-game&p=7764561&viewfull=1#post7764561
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on January 08, 2013, 06:03:16 am
Reads like Sonic CD 2 despite the Propel project name.

Sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 08, 2013, 06:12:19 am
Totally sounds like Sonic CD2.


It would have a huge emphasis on exploration if some of these different goal rings are hidden for example. This would mean a better way of controlling Sonic at low speeds (I suppose this is "slow geared development for more punctual distribution").


Also, hurray for having the forking levels. The same thing Trippled mention before.


I doubt the legitimacy of this rumor though.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 08, 2013, 07:43:57 am
Yeah, I'm not believing the rumor just yet. I mean, c'mon guys... TSSZ? Remember Sonic Dimensions?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on January 08, 2013, 11:22:53 am
The guy who originally made the rumor on reddit posted today that it's fake. I mean, it seemed like something Iizuka-san would completely hate, but at the same time, I could see him allowing it to happen as a throw away project to bide more time for his next gen masterpiece.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on January 08, 2013, 11:27:59 am
The guy who originally made the rumor on reddit posted today that it's fake. I mean, it seemed like something Iizuka-san would completely hate, but at the same time, I could see him allowing it to happen as a throw away project to bide more time for his next gen masterpiece.

source/link?

Just so we can completly debunk this.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on January 08, 2013, 11:29:52 am
source/link?

Just so we can completly debunk this.

I read it on neogaf, i'm not sure how reddit works, but yeah..

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46186769&postcount=13820

if someone wants to go look on reddit they can, but i hate the layout of the place
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 08, 2013, 11:41:04 am
Just saw the original reddit post, didn't find where it was deemed fake..
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Pao on January 08, 2013, 12:51:50 pm
Good Sonic rumors are always fake, the bad ones are usually true. :p
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on January 08, 2013, 02:27:54 pm
Good Sonic rumors are always fake, the bad ones are usually true. :p

That seems untrue.

Usually, no Sonic Rumor ends being true, except Sonic Colors. Which turned out good anyways so.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 08, 2013, 02:40:23 pm
The multiple Metal Sonic things sounded like the Sonic Dimensions multiple Sonics nonsense, and the Sonic CD bit made no sense. "more realistic"? Sonic CD was the furthest thing from realistic. As for redesigning Sonic, I'd think that would be a pretty major undertaking. Redesign Sonic, and they have to redesign the entire cast. Not to mention reboot the entire branding and product lines. Really, Sonic as he is right now is near perfect. No modifications needed. He's been like that since 2008 and I see no reason for a redesign now.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 08, 2013, 04:29:17 pm
The multiple Metal Sonic things sounded like the Sonic Dimensions multiple Sonics nonsense, and the Sonic CD bit made no sense. "more realistic"? Sonic CD was the furthest thing from realistic. As for redesigning Sonic, I'd think that would be a pretty major undertaking. Redesign Sonic, and they have to redesign the entire cast. Not to mention reboot the entire branding and product lines. Really, Sonic as he is right now is near perfect. No modifications needed. He's been like that since 2008 and I see no reason for a redesign now.
You got it all wrong dude.
Supposedly, the new design is influenced by Sonic CD, but more realistic. In my mind that sounds like moving to a more simplistic design. Something between the anime Sonic from CD and the one we have now.
A modern Classic Sonic, rather than the modified Adventure Sonic we have
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 20, 2013, 07:22:00 am
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2013/01/report-ken-pontac-has-written-script-for-an-upcoming-sonic-game/
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on January 20, 2013, 09:17:03 am
That is great news! So far the simple stories have been a treat for me. I'll still prefer a little bit of sonic adventure's seriousness, but the cheerful and happy/humorous tone of colors has been great as well so if they can combine that with a more indepth story it'd be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 21, 2013, 12:48:15 am
That is great news! So far the simple stories have been a treat for me. I'll still prefer a little bit of sonic adventure's seriousness, but the cheerful and happy/humorous tone of colors has been great as well so if they can combine that with a more indepth story it'd be pretty cool.

agreed.  It's funny that he's credited with Sonic Generations as well seeing as how it had minimal dialogue and no story to speak of. 
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 23, 2013, 06:55:33 pm
http://segabits.com/blog/2013/01/23/rumor-sega-to-announce-new-sonic-game-very-soon/

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2013/01/rumour-sega-to-announce-new-sonic-game-next-month/
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 23, 2013, 07:07:16 pm
Now this is a rumor I buy, and would love to be true. Love more characters and multiple end points to a stage. Didn't a Sonic CD stage have two possible goal posts?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kori-Maru on January 23, 2013, 10:43:59 pm
Maybe a multiplayer Sonic platforming game similar to the Sonic Advance series? Those were fun times.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: jonboy101 on January 23, 2013, 10:59:13 pm
http://segabits.com/blog/2013/01/23/rumor-sega-to-announce-new-sonic-game-very-soon/

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2013/01/rumour-sega-to-announce-new-sonic-game-next-month/

Sonic Team will fuck it up. These things always start out great and wonderful, then we get the werehog.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 24, 2013, 12:18:38 am
God I live for these announcements.  Ladies and Gentlemen, the season is almost upon us. 

Please let it be called

sonic & knuckles 2
or
Sonic the Hedgehog 5

No more of these weak sounding subtitles (colors, unleashed, generations, etc).  They lack conviction!


edit: woah woah woah.  Did I read that right?  They're planning to release this title for the new sony and microsoft consoles as well?  That seems a bit fucking crazy.  What is their infatuation with developing for as many consoles as possible at one time?  It's hard enough to make a great game while developing for ONE platform let alone EIGHT separate platforms.   

also 10 playable characters?  Fuck.  That. 
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Pao on January 24, 2013, 01:31:53 am
http://segabits.com/blog/2013/01/23/rumor-sega-to-announce-new-sonic-game-very-soon/

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2013/01/rumour-sega-to-announce-new-sonic-game-next-month/

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he console version of this new game will be sticking with the recent formula seen in Sonic Unleashed (Daytime), Sonic Colours and Sonic Generations where gameplay switches between full 3D movement and 2D side-scrolling sections.

Ugh... Why would you need to switch to 2D, at all? Can't they do 3D platforming properly? There were some short 3D platforming sequences in Generations and Unleashed, but they do not expand upon this at all...

They probably think the Unleashed formula is the "ideal" Sonic gameplay, and they won't change it very soon... Its not the ideal formula, pretty good? Yes, but there tons of ways they can improve upon it... One thing for sure, though... in a 3D platforming game... I want to platform in 3D... Else I'd go play a superior 2D platformer.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 24, 2013, 04:25:58 am
There's nothing wrong with having a bit of 2D platforming in there as well. Generations did it well imo.

I love the 10 characters bit, as long as the first playthrough of each level features Sonic.
The "new consoles" bit is expected really.. They may launch early next year, so plenty of time to concentrate on the current gen now and port it later for a quick buck.

jonboy,
Unleashed was developed at a time when Sonic Team was a living hell filled with internal conflict. I believe those days are gone.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Pao on January 24, 2013, 06:39:26 am
There's nothing wrong with having a bit of 2D platforming in there as well. Generations did it well imo.
There is nothing wrong with a "bit" of 2D platforming, but when 90% of the platforming in the game only happens at the 2D sections, that's when it becomes a problem.

And I don't think Generations did it well... Stages like Modern Sky Sanctuary and Modern Crisis City had some decent 3D platforming, but overall, the game was lacking in that area.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1uh2NiC1Uc[/youtube]
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 24, 2013, 06:57:41 am
As we have talked here before, I believe that 3D platforming would be fully enjoyable if Sonic controlled differently at low speeds.
Unless they tweak the engine, a lot of 3D platforming would become frustrating.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 24, 2013, 07:42:00 am

Please let it be called

sonic & knuckles 2
or
Sonic the Hedgehog 5

Those would be some pretty bizarre choices for titles. I mean, this is the 3D series were talking about. The numbered games (Sonic 1,2,3,4) are entirely 2D. While Sonic 4 is quite different from 1-3, it is nowhere near as different as the 3D titles are from the originals, and Sonic 4 itself still follows many rules of the classics (entirely 2D, Zone/Act structure, special stages, emeralds, sign posts). Sonic the Hedgehog 5 would just be such an unfitting and strange choice. Sonic Adventure 3 would be far more fitting, even if I personally am not a fan of naming the next game SA3.

Sonic & Knuckles 2 would be just as strange as Sonic 5, for the same reasons listed above as well as the fact that S&K was essentially Sonic 3.5, so naming the next 3D title "Sonic & Knuckles 2" would imply that it is a sequel to a sequel which in-itself was an expansion to a sequel. That would be weirder than Final Fantasy X-2.   
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Pao on January 24, 2013, 07:56:39 am
As we have talked here before, I believe that 3D platforming would be fully enjoyable if Sonic controlled differently at low speeds.
Unless they tweak the engine, a lot of 3D platforming would become frustrating.
Which is why I said there is a lot to be improved upon... If its Generations/Unleashed with different levels I'd be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on January 24, 2013, 07:58:01 am
Sounds like a pretty standard Sonic game.

Still waiting for a a special hook either in the Artstyle or something else.

Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 24, 2013, 11:29:24 am
Those would be some pretty bizarre choices for titles. I mean, this is the 3D series were talking about. The numbered games (Sonic 1,2,3,4) are entirely 2D. While Sonic 4 is quite different from 1-3, it is nowhere near as different as the 3D titles are from the originals, and Sonic 4 itself still follows many rules of the classics (entirely 2D, Zone/Act structure, special stages, emeralds, sign posts). Sonic the Hedgehog 5 would just be such an unfitting and strange choice. Sonic Adventure 3 would be far more fitting, even if I personally am not a fan of naming the next game SA3.

Sonic & Knuckles 2 would be just as strange as Sonic 5, for the same reasons listed above as well as the fact that S&K was essentially Sonic 3.5, so naming the next 3D title "Sonic & Knuckles 2" would imply that it is a sequel to a sequel which in-itself was an expansion to a sequel. That would be weirder than Final Fantasy X-2.   

The fact that main entry games (sonic 1,2,3,4) MUST be entirely 2d is a load of baloney enforced only by the painfully mediocre Sonic 4.  Of course the megadrive games are entirely 2d.  I don't think it would be weird at all to name a new 3d entry sonic 5.  All I'm asking for is a continuation of something (be it Colors 2 or SA3) that demonstrates confidence in a brand name.  Although with 10 playable characters rumored, this could very well be Sonic Heroes 2.  Which is not what anyone wants.   
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Team Andromeda on January 24, 2013, 01:30:14 pm
Sonic Team will fuck it up. These things always start out great and wonderful, then we get the werehog.

Sonic Team have been really good for the past few year now. They're one of the few that stepped up their game in SOJ and I expect the new Sonic to be a great Sonic game and to look fabon the 360 and PS3
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: MadeManG74 on January 24, 2013, 03:21:25 pm
10 Playable characters? Wow this sounds like a train-wreck.

Haven't Sonic Team learnt that we hate that shit? Or is the furry army up in arms that they couldn't play as Jizz the Monkey in Sonic Generations?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on January 24, 2013, 04:22:18 pm
10 Playable characters? Wow this sounds like a train-wreck.

Haven't Sonic Team learnt that we hate that shit? Or is the furry army up in arms that they couldn't play as Jizz the Monkey in Sonic Generations?

I laughed
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 25, 2013, 04:08:26 am
^me too
Which is why I said there is a lot to be improved upon... If its Generations/Unleashed with different levels I'd be very disappointed.
I guess you're right then..
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on January 25, 2013, 07:17:44 am
I wonder what the name of the next Sonic game will be called?

The rumoured Sonic Dimensions? Or perhaps something more articulate such as "Sonic Pilgrimage"?

I really can't think of many good names to give Sonic's new games these days.

Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: jonboy101 on January 25, 2013, 07:40:57 am
Sonic Team have been really good for the past few year now. They're one of the few that stepped up their game in SOJ and I expect the new Sonic to be a great Sonic game and to look fabon the 360 and PS3

I'll be convinced when the game is out. It's going to take more than two genuinely good sonic games to undo six years of utter incompetence and consumer disappointment.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 25, 2013, 07:58:07 am
That's a bit harsh on the series. The handheld titles have been great, the past two console titles have been great. I think it's time fans stop giving Sonic Team a number of quality titles to fulfill before they are forgiven for Heroes through to '06. The team itself is different than it was back in '04-'06 anyway.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 25, 2013, 08:03:11 am
I'll be convinced when the game is out. It's going to take more than two genuinely good sonic games to undo six years of utter incompetence and consumer disappointment.
six years of utter incompetence and consumer disappointment = 2 bad games?

As for the name, what about something simple like Sonic Chaos, Sonic Slam, Sonic Boom, Sonic Boost, Sonic Xtreme, Sonic Turbo Egg
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on January 25, 2013, 08:16:35 am
Still playing it safe as usual I see
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 25, 2013, 08:37:00 am
I'm of the mindset that Heroes was a good game, whose flaws were attributed to Sonic Team spreading themselves thin by trying to release it to too many platforms. It was their first Sonic game not on a SEGA console, and the finished product shows this. The History of Sonic book implies this as well, with Sonic Team pretty much admitting that it was a lot of work to get a game that played on PS2, XBOX and GameCube, and that the PS2 version suffered the most because of this. Really, I think it was the repitition that killed it for me. Once as Team Sonic was fun, twice as Chaotix was different (and I liked playing as them again), three times as Team Rose was too much, four times as Team Dark was too much. Also, they needed to tone down the character voices, way too much chatter.

Shadow was a spin-off, so I don't think it hurt the Sonic games for me as much as it may have for others. It has a lot of unique ideas that (according to the rumor) are being resurrected and refined. Really, the OutRun style progression was really a cool idea. But again, the game suffered from Sonic Team being overly ambitious and reusing the Heroes engine (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it is a modified Heroes engine). Returning to Sonic Adventure 2 stages and plot elements was a cool idea, I did like the Prison Island stage.

'06 was shit, pure and simple. And thankfully it was this game that broke the camels back, and made Sonic Team realize they need to get their act together. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a lot of those responsible for '06 did not continue on to future Sonic titles, at least in the high level positions they had before. Iizuka was not a part of it, Naka left during development and Shun Nakamura (director) has since only received a level design special thanks in Unleashed and went back to what he does best: making rhythm games like Rhythm Thief.

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Unleashed was a solid game. The art direction was very strong, music was excellent. There were far fewer characters, which lead to a more focused and simple story. The human character of Unleashed are really charming and lovable, really it's night and day when compared to '06's humans and adventure fields. The thing is, the werehog gameplay WAS polished and playable, and dare I say fun at times. Really, the problem was that the stages just dragged on too long. Werehog would have been a lot of fun if stages lasted 5-8 minutes. Instead, they typically went on for 20-30 minutes, which was really shitty. Also, the sun/moon medal collecting was not needed. The day stages were and still are praised as being the best aspects of the game, and since Unleashed, Sonic Team has refined this sort of Sonic gameplay which gave us Colors and Generations.

So I'd say we had four fantastic titles (Sonic 1-3&Knuckles), two good/great* 3D titles (SA1&2), one decent title (Heroes), one misguided not-too-bad-but-not-good title which is a spin-off anyway (Shadow), one shit title ('06), one game that got things back on track despite some flaws (Unleashed), and two great games (Colors, Generations).

Again, this is my opinion, so others surely differ. But still, I'd say the Sonic series has a lot more good than bad and has been solid in the main series department since 2010. Not to mention the Advance and Rush series have been enjoyable, and were very good Sonic titles during the years in which the console titles were not as good.

*nostalgia plays a factor in how good fans think the games are, as well as the ability to play and understand that these were achievements for their time, even if they haven't aged incredibly well for some
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on January 25, 2013, 10:04:28 am
Adventure games were good when they came out, today they get iffy.
Heroes was ok, still ok.
06 was bad and you should feel bad.
Unleashed was good/bad and was panned unfairly.
After that all good.

I think the only bad games are 06 and Shadow. Taking into account that these came out at the same time AVGN was getting popular for bashing Sega, and suddenly it seemed that everything Sega ever did was shit. It was funny to bash Sega and Sonic and give them unfair reviews for cheap publicity.

In my opinion both Sega and Sonic Team have been doing a wonderful job for nearly 6 years in a row now, regaining public trust and reestablishing it's image as top dogs in videogame-land. I hope the next year will be an extension of this.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Team Andromeda on January 26, 2013, 04:15:00 am
I'll be convinced when the game is out. It's going to take more than two genuinely good sonic games to undo six years of utter incompetence and consumer disappointment.

I think you'll be surprised. Sonic Team really have got their act together these days  . Great Tech and some decent ideas and good games . In fact most of the people that knock SEGA and Sonic these days are the ones that don't even buy or play them .

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I'm of the mindset that Heroes was a good game, whose flaws were attributed to Sonic Team spreading themselves thin by trying to release it to too many platforms. It was their first Sonic game not on a SEGA console, and the finished product shows this

 Yes there is a world of difference making the game on multi platforms , but that's not the really issues (it doesn't help for sure) the trouble is when you're a 3rd party Team you've got hit deadlines and street dates and say goodbye to 1st party funding and soft release dates . The major trouble for the Sonic Team was the silly PR thinking of getting the game out before Christmas at all costs . Sonic Heroes is a nice game, but it was rushed out and lacks polish, same for Sonic Unleased - There'a nice game with some fab tech -let down by lack of polish and optimisation Where 6 months more work could have made a world of difference and most of the biggest knockers of the game are the ones that haven't played it (and their gamer tag will show that)

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'06 was shit, pure and simple. And thankfully it was this game that broke the camels back

The worst part was in could have been very good , but the Shinobi producer lost control of the game and the development Teams (where you had Soinc Team and part of the Shinobi/Overworks Team developing) and tbf he wasn't helped with the ridiculous 15th anniversary tag - Which meant yet again the game had to ship before it was ready and they was no hope of putting the game back, even with every Quality Control in SOJ/SOE/SOA telling the Team the game was a mess and needed to be fix and pushed back
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on January 30, 2013, 07:38:34 am
I hate Heroes with a passion, and it's not because of the quality ironically enough...I was so hyped to play a 3D Sonic game that promised "back to roots" that it let me down so much.

Sonic '06 in comparison, didn't disappoint me nearly as much....it's a bad game, but I chose to live with that...since my expectations were low after Heroes....looking back, Heroes had some good ideas, but I didn't like some of the difficulty spikes in the game (same with '06).

The handheld games are okay....I felt that Rush was the best of the bunch initially but then it became more of the same after that, I think Rush Adventure did some unique missions/Chaos Emerald searching that I loved so it only just goes above Rush in terms of that aspect, but the music wasn't as good as Rush (I do like the music, but not as much as Rush). Colours felt easy, played it safe etc.

Advance will still be my favourite 2D Handheld Sonic game though.

Other then that, I skipped Unleashed, liked Secret Rings despite it's control frustrations, kind of hated Black Knight's latter levels and repetition and was pleasantly surprised of Colours gameplay (I skipped it as I wasn't really interested in another Sonic game at that time).

I like Generations, but I didn't think it was worth the £35 I paid for it (my friend badgered me it is worth the full price....he's more of the Adventure Generation though, but enjoys the Mega Drive Sonic's). Some aspects like the side step, drifting and hopping were cool from Colours, it made Sonic much more controllable in Generations...but I still have some trouble with the level design as I am not the best platformer (the thing with old Sonic was that platforms were easy to navigate, and the rare bottomless pit made Sonic to me, the definitive platformer vs the Mario games.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 30, 2013, 07:43:00 am
I'm getting hyped to hear what the next Sonic game is! As long as it appears on 360, I'll be a happy fan.

Think about it, we haven't seen a 3D Sonic game with original stage designs since 2010! Since then Generations re-imagined old stages (they looked beautiful, but they were not new original stages) and All-Stars Racing Transformed did the same.

We haven't seen an HD console Sonic game (I'm talking main series) with new original locations since 2008's Unleashed! So I can't wait to see what's next.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on January 30, 2013, 09:41:22 am
I don't think you have anything to worry about Barry, Iizuka-san wants everyone to experience his creations. The age of Nintendo exclusive Sonic games is pretty much over, IMO, outside of the olympics stuff. Not to mention Wii is HD now, the whole reason Sonic Colors was made in the first place is because the Wii couldn't handle Iizuka-san's true vision of HD Zones.

Although I gotta say, gonna be interesting for the 25th anniversary game, Iizuka-san has expressed huge interest in taking advantage of next gen power, i wonder if they would skip the Wii u, LOL
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 30, 2013, 09:44:12 am
Wonder if SEGA still holds the Olympic license? It seems to be on a year by year basis. Was any mention made of them securing the 2014 rights?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on January 30, 2013, 09:45:38 am
Somewhat disappointed that the 3DS version is another Sonic game akin to Rush...since now is the time to make a portable 3D Sonic game ala Colours! It would certainly be something to look into!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on January 30, 2013, 09:56:50 am
I liked Generations 3DS, but it did feel like an odd mix of Sonic 4 Episode 2 and Rush in 3D.

SEGA really should make the next 3DS Sonic game something new in the same way that Advance and Rush were different. Even if it is a portable version of a console title, I'd like to see something that gives the 3DS Sonic releases a true identity.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on February 02, 2013, 08:54:49 am
HAPPY SONIC DAY

Get your ass on this thread as until the end of the day we hope to get some substantial Sonic news!

Some rumors are gearing up RIGHT NOW
http://blogs.sega.com/2013/02/02/happy-hedgehog-day-3/
the bolded letters on the post spell out Red Earring. Does this mean the new Sonic will suck?? Stay tuned!

EDIT:
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Red herring is an English-language idiom that commonly refers to a type of logical fallacy in which a clue is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or distracting from the actual issue.[
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Aki-at on February 02, 2013, 11:03:20 am
We are not getting a Sonic game.

We are getting a Shadow game, HAPPY HEDGEHOG DAY EVERYONE! BYE!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on February 02, 2013, 11:22:04 am
The niconico stream is focusing on Sonic right now for anyone interested.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on February 02, 2013, 02:03:16 pm
HAPPY SONIC DAY

Get your ass on this thread as until the end of the day we hope to get some substantial Sonic news!

Some rumors are gearing up RIGHT NOW
http://blogs.sega.com/2013/02/02/happy-hedgehog-day-3/
the bolded letters on the post spell out Red Earring. Does this mean the new Sonic will suck?? Stay tuned!

EDIT:

let the bullshit begin.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: thearcticsea on February 02, 2013, 04:04:55 pm
Has this unviewable live feed revealed anything interesting yet?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 02, 2013, 04:35:59 pm
I watched it for like an hour. It was fun seeing Sonic Team staff handling old SEGA consoles and talking about old Sonic titles (even if I didn't understand a word).

The highlight of the Sonic section was seeing Iizuka putting a Sonic 3 into a Sonic & Knuckles cart.

Nothing new revealed from what I could tell. The usual Hatsune Miku stuff and the Shining RPGs.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on February 02, 2013, 07:50:04 pm
I wish i knew Japanese. Was really interested to hear what was being discussed, i gotta imagine iizuka said some amusing things.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kori-Maru on February 02, 2013, 11:42:51 pm
I saw myself in my Shinobi costume from the Sonic Boom 2012 Recap. Video within a video. Takenobu Mitsuyoshi was on the broadcast showing off his tracks free styling with his arms like Professor K. You guys probably saw my "Get it Mitsuyoshi!" comment during the stream.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on February 03, 2013, 08:16:56 am
I was intrigued that they completely skipped Sonic 2.

It was cool, but nothing announced.

Meanwhile on the Sega Blog fans are going insane, trying to gather every clue possible so that the next Sonic game is Sonic Adventure 3. As much as I'd like a SA3, it sickens me really.

On the other hand some have suggested that the bold letters mean Her Red Ring and Ring Herder.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on February 03, 2013, 02:32:38 pm
I'm pretty sure it's "red herring" as someone already stated.  It's a nice way to say something cryptic without saying anything at all.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on February 04, 2013, 11:06:39 pm
if you've seen the latest tweets by Ruby and Kellie, don't get all crazy over them...

Don't take the Texas thing too seriously, it's a red herring. lol

I was lurking ssmb, and someone there brought up a good point..

you know who is located in texas? Gearbox! SEGA Community Team is probably there doing something related to Aliens, and they probably thought they would tease us for laughs, cause that's how they roll. They LOVE teasing the Sonic fanbase, they do it every opportunity they get.

But the fact they are teasing Sonic related stuff means there will be an announcement soon. Let's just hope its this week and not next week. I mean you guys have seen how they can drag out the teasing, Sonic 4 is a great example of how evil they can get :P

so yes.. we've been trolled AGAIN lmao
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kori-Maru on February 05, 2013, 02:25:54 am
if you've seen the latest tweets by Ruby and Kellie, don't get all crazy over them...

Don't take the Texas thing too seriously, it's a red herring. lol

I was lurking ssmb, and someone there brought up a good point..

you know who is located in texas? Gearbox! SEGA Community Team is probably there doing something related to Aliens, and they probably thought they would tease us for laughs, cause that's how they roll. They LOVE teasing the Sonic fanbase, they do it every opportunity they get.

But the fact they are teasing Sonic related stuff means there will be an announcement soon. Let's just hope its this week and not next week. I mean you guys have seen how they can drag out the teasing, Sonic 4 is a great example of how evil they can get :P

so yes.. we've been trolled AGAIN lmao
I give them kudos for that.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 07, 2013, 08:05:46 am
Aaron is hosting a panel in San Fran on the 16th, and the writer of the next Sonic game will be at the event: http://segabits.com/blog/2013/02/07/aaron-webber-to-host-behind-the-scenes-of-sonic-the-hedgehog-panel-at-aod-2013/
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on February 16, 2013, 10:48:10 am
http://www.destructoid.com/sega-making-another-sonic-storybook-game-204979.phtml
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on February 19, 2013, 10:44:52 am
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ptJYEtRkyBs/URwJmWclcrI/AAAAAAAAA_4/JSTMOb8cDRA/s1600/SA3-600x337.png)
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on February 19, 2013, 10:54:31 am
Lmao, that image is great. where did you find it
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on February 19, 2013, 11:01:56 am
Lmao, that image is great. where did you find it
The Sonic grin is from SADX promotional material I am sure.
I have no idea the image's source, but some "Sega Rep" said in NeoGaf that the game would be announced next month. I bet some fans are putting their hopes up.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on February 19, 2013, 11:16:49 am
The Sonic grin is from SADX promotional material I am sure.
I have no idea the image's source, but some "Sega Rep" said in NeoGaf that the game would be announced next month. I bet some fans are putting their hopes up.

yeah i knew the grin itself is an old image, i just thought the overall image was hilarious, but it's cool if you don't know where it's from.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on February 20, 2013, 06:36:06 am
What are the chances Robotnik has a scheme that let's him down in the final level and Sonic has to save him?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on February 20, 2013, 07:51:39 am
What are the chances Robotnik has a scheme that let's him down in the final level and Sonic has to save him?

CONFIRMED! Also, Sonic is in the game.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on February 20, 2013, 03:11:01 pm
CONFIRMED! Also, Sonic is in the game.
If he's playable, it's already above many "Sonic" games
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on February 20, 2013, 03:16:16 pm
CONFIRMED! Also, Sonic is in the game.
No way? No way!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 04:23:31 pm
RUMOUR
From [Wintos The Traveling Salesman !!Vp9lMh6KQfP]

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This past weekend I was able to watch a couple of demonstrations on Sonic Team's upcoming Sonic The Hedgehog game, currently titled "Sonic Excursion." In all they had two levels to show off which all four of the playable characters the story will focus on were able to play through, but do not worry as they all play similarly to Sonic with minor differences, probably to keep up the pacing of the game as that's been an issue with multiple characters in the past.

The demonstration started with the demo's title screen which was accompanied with a song by Ted Poley about exploring together (no hidden innuendos, perverts). The title of the game itself isn't set in stone, but the current one looked similar to Sonic Unleashed's Japanese "Sonic World Adventure" logo. From the title screen, it goes directly to a black screen where you can select between Sonic or Tails using a ball made of falling sparkles, and we were informed that the game starts with both characters unlocked. Every level in the game will be playable with every character, and for almost every level you will be able to select which character you play as before it begins if the story has them currently in your "party."

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They selected Sonic and the screen's graphics either re-arranged themselves or left the screen to be replaced by others until it resulted in a zone title screen similar to the ones in Sonic The Hedgehog 3. The first level is called "Shattered Heights" and is similar to the Sonic Generations incarnation of Speed Highway. Very New York themed. We were told the level was five minutes long, but they spent about fifteen minutes showing us parts of the stage's design, focusing on the lighting and shadows and how lighting was one of the main focuses for this game's design. Shattered Heights, for example, started at dawn and by the level's end the entire stage's lighting had changed to more reflect the mid afternoon. Most of the level consists of Sonic and Tails actually breaking through the windows of buildings several stories high and running through apartment hallways, office buildings, and hotel suites with Pixar-like humans gasping and shouting in surprise.

Sonic and Tails communicate throughout the level with each other similarly to the conversations in Sonic Heroes, both commenting on their surroundings and giving you advice on how to play the game. They would often stop at areas in the level to tell us how if we were playing as Tails instead of Sonic, we would be able to fly and reach different paths that Sonic could not access, but most alternate paths were entirely optional and not forced like they were in Sonic Adventure or Sonic The Hedgehog for the Xbox 360. They really wanted to make a Sonic Generations title that played more similarly to the Genesis titles where different characters could play the same levels with the only difference being their personal abilities.

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After the first level was completed by reaching a goal ring located on top of a large and beautiful fountain in the middle of a park (Sonic and Tails were automatically flung at it from the last building, similarly to the goal ring at the end of City Escape), there was a cut scene that introduced Dr. Eggman and Knuckles. Dr. Eggman was piloting some gigantic drill vehicle that drove itself out of the ground with Knuckles jumping out of the crater shortly behind it. The two of them squabble while Sonic and Tails watch, looking annoyed/bored by the two of them until Knuckles notices them and yells at them to help, bringing attention to a ridiculously heavy looking golden necklace Dr. Eggman is holding. Alerted to their presence, Dr. Eggman ejects his Egg-O-Matic from the drill vehicle and flies away, leaving Knuckles to explain the game's story so far to Sonic and Tails. Sonic offers to let Knuckles join him and Tails, but he declines and runs off, saying he'll leave Dr. Eggman to them as he needs to "go back and check something."

They then switched us over to the second demonstration, where we were told that later in the game when we unlocked Knuckles in our "party," we would also have the option of going back and playing his side of the story. This demonstration went from the same title screen as the first to a new character select screen, more similar to Sonic Adventure's. Sonic and Tails were the default characters for the main story mode with Knuckles behind them in a silhouette of Amy, then Sonic was selectable by himself, then Tails by himself, then Knuckles with a silhouette of Amy again as the next selectable character in the rotation. After selecting Knuckles a level select menu came up, all options blacked out except for his first level, "Lunar Caverns."
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 04:28:38 pm
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They selected the first level, leading the game to load into another familiar zone title screen with Knuckles standing at the beginning of the level. This stage was beautiful. The ground was a nice chocolate brown with purple and white crystal walls which refracted light everywhere, which we later saw was being illuminated by a half moon glowing through cracks in the cavern's ceiling. The level was very similar to a roller coaster with the way it dipped up and down, extremely hilly but smooth. Knuckles, as promised, plays pretty much identically to Sonic in Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations with very few differences. Knuckles even has a boost meter, which fills as enemies are destroyed, rings are collected, and moves are performed which he uses to run fast, just like Sonic. Instead of the ground pound/stomp attack, Knuckles drills downward like he does in Sonic Adventure 2. Instead of sliding under tight spaces, Knuckles can dive through the ground and back up through it like a dolphin through water. Instead of the homing attack, Knuckles will glide with his fists forward, gradually losing altitude until he either lands or connects with a climbable wall. We were told that Knuckles could climb almost any vertical surface, but there would be some surfaces he would not be able to climb, such as ones made out of metal, but those surfaces would only be in specific areas and would be infrequent, leaving Knuckles to be able to climb almost anything anywhere.

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At the end of the level, Knuckles comes across an underground temple, which is where he discovers murals about the necklace we saw Dr. Eggman with earlier in Sonic and Tails' story, shortly before Dr. Eggman himself strolls into the place, unaware of Knuckles being there. Knuckles follows him until Dr. Eggman finds the necklace and takes it, when Knuckles exposes himself by clumsily causes a brick he's leaning against to fall and make his presence known. Dr. Eggman tries to convince him to let him pass, but Knuckles tells him that he's no longer falling for his tricks and he isn't going anywhere. Dr. Eggman distracts Knuckles by looking aside and saying, "Sonic? You're here too?" and then runs past, able to climb aboard his giant drill vehicle just before Knuckles catches up.

What proceeds is a running boss fight, similar to the ones in Sonic Unleashed and the final boss of Sonic Colors, where you play as Knuckles chasing Dr. Eggman in his drill vehicle through a never ending tunnel that it is creating as it goes. We were told that there were a few different strategies that could be used to damage the boss, but they focused on collecting enough rings to use the boost to catch up to the back of the drill vehicle, then using Knuckles' unique ground diving move to dive underground and then come up underneath the vehicle, effectively making Knuckles punch its weak underbelly. We were told the cockpit and large tires were also attackable, and each weak point had different defenses that you would have to watch out for or risk hurting yourself trying to hit them.

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After the boss fight, pretty much the same cut scene from before where Dr. Eggman and Knuckles exited the tunnel that the drill vehicle created in the park with Sonic and Tails watching, except the beginning and end of the scene which focused on Knuckles instead of Sonic and Tails.

After this demonstration was complete, we watched a powerpoint presentation with screenshots from the game. We were told how the story would focus on Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy Rose, and Dr. Eggman with a couple of appearances throughout the game, but those appearances would have less importance to the plot than Amy Rose's role in Sonic Unleashed. For example, Amy Rose's story once you unlocked it would begin at Cream's house, where we see Cream, Vanilla, Gemerl, two Chao, and some Flickies. Outside of that scene, none of those characters make an appearance outside of one more scene with Cream in it. Emblems will be making a return, and will be earned in various ways with ten emblems per level. They can be earned for completing levels with each character, getting an S rank with all four characters, collecting all red rings with any character, and completing side missions for the level.
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Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 04:31:31 pm
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Collecting emblems will unlock additional "partners" of characters for bonus missions for the levels. These partners will not be part of the main story, but will have their own little side stories and are not required for completing the game. Two examples we were given were Shadow and Rouge as on pair and Silver and Blaze as another pair, but we were told that they are planning to have others. These pairings will not have any story elements to them outside of the conversations they have during the levels, and you decide which of the two characters you want to play as while the other tags along, ala Sonic and Tails.

There will be no Chao Garden, before anyone asks. The two Chao at Cream's home are the only two in the entire game as far as I was made aware.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 04:36:45 pm
He later went on to answer questions:

Release date: November 2013

Platforms: PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Wii U, PC, 3DS, PlayStation 4, and Xbox Infinite.
"All seven versions will be the same, except the PC, PS4, and XI versions will have higher resolutions and the 3DS version will be made by a different team. Do not worry, it is not going to be Dimps. Sega has ended their relationship with them."


Wentos is a SoJ leak that browses 4chan's /v/ from time to time and leaks info bits on Sonic games. He has leaked every Sonic game since Unleashed several months before ANNOUNCEMENT.

This leak is by Wintos. Though the name is different, his tripcode ( !!Vp9lMh6KQfP) matches one he has used before.

Here's some proof with the same tripcode (notice the date of the leak as well):
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23205698/old/1367358441204.jpg)

What do you guys think of this?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kori-Maru on April 30, 2013, 05:04:25 pm
My body is GODDAMN ready!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 30, 2013, 06:01:46 pm
Hmm... I will remain skeptical until it is real. But it sounds like a fun game, and I like the platform selection.

Suspect bits are: appearances of Sonic Advance characters in Amy's story (really? Gemerl? C'mon...), the name "Shattered Heights", Sonic Team cutting their ties with Dimps, and the fact that he just spoiled the Xbox name.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 06:13:02 pm
He did gave an extra comment on Gemerl mentioning some ties with the Sonic Advance franchise.

The Xbox name may very well be placeholder.

Anyway, time will tell. But this guy has been infallible ever since he showed up. I was just lucky to bump into his thread. Maybe some Sonic sites will pick up this leak as well.
I'm a bit skeptical because these are the first solid rumors to show up in months, but it may be true. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Aki-at on April 30, 2013, 06:19:53 pm
One thing I find extremely strange is how hush SEGA is on this Sonic title, I can only imagine they are hoping for a big E3 showoff with all the pent up demand for a new major Sonic title.

Also announce Game of the Forever Yakuza 5 for Western release while we're at it.

(PS Announce some more games for 2014 too)
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on April 30, 2013, 06:31:30 pm
If it's not true. This guy is one hell of an incredible fabricator, with a rich fantasy and some good taste.

Cuz the way the game is described sounds very detailed and also very good.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 06:34:46 pm
"Sonic Excursion"

Anyone else finds this a way too subtle way of dismissing that this is a new Sonic Adventure game?

All it needs is a chao garden. I'll save some hope that they just didn't show it yet.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: TimmiT on April 30, 2013, 06:36:16 pm
I wouldn't mind it if that rumour was true. Still, Wentos hasn't really said anything so far that could have been confirmed and I think some stuff from him also got debunked. So we'll see, big retail Sonic games usually get announced in April/May anyway, so the reveal shouldn't be too far off.

EDIT: Oh, he leaked Sonic Generations before? Alright.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on April 30, 2013, 06:40:29 pm
"Sonic Excursion"

Anyone else finds this a way too subtle way of dismissing that this is a new Sonic Adventure game?

All it needs is a chao garden. I'll save some hope that they just didn't show it yet.
Sonic adventure was really nice in that you could walk/run freely and interact with things. Pick up stuff etc. I wonder how the generations controls would lend itself for the chao gardens. But they also managed to tweak/improve the controls from unleashed, to colors and finally to generations.

Not gonna lie that I wish they'd do something new. Reading that all characters will play with boost meters kind of took away that hope I initially had. It's time for Sonicteam to try out something that could lend itself for better gameplay
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 06:45:29 pm
Not gonna lie that I wish they'd do something new. Reading that all characters will play with boost meters kind of took away that hope I initially had. It's time for Sonicteam to try out something that could lend itself for better gameplay
Disagree. Trying out stuff is what made ST almost destroy Sonic. Gens' gameplay was good, I say stick with it.
Maybe put some optional side levels with different styles of gameplay and see how it goes, would be cool
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on April 30, 2013, 06:50:51 pm
Disagree. Trying out stuff is what made ST almost destroy Sonic. Gens' gameplay was good, I say stick with it.
Maybe put some optional side levels with different styles of gameplay and see how it goes, would be cool
I expected to get a reaction like this. And while you're right, it's sad that we're afraid for Sonicteam to try out stuff cuz they'd likely ruin everything. I guess if we trusted them more it'd be a better suggestion, but realistically it may not be wise indeed.

They will have to eventually though
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 06:54:32 pm
They will have to eventually though
I guess.. But look at Nintendo for example. The Mario basis has been laid since Mario 64.
Maybe ST could just optimize the gameplay for now, latter try to incorporate new aspects and features, but slowly...not by putting a mandatory fishing game that's for sure.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on April 30, 2013, 07:10:51 pm
I kind of think mario has a good basis for better variety in gameplay, but let's keep that topic in another thread.

If this all is true, this quote is pretty funny.

"Do not worry, it is not going to be Dimps. Sega has ended their relationship with them."

They're saying don't worry without anyone even mentioning or asking lol. Almost sounds like they've had enough of them themselves. For me they are known for terrible level design so them being aware of this problem would be a great thing

So far I really hope all this stuff is true. I am a big fan of gemerl
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Aki-at on April 30, 2013, 07:12:58 pm
It's a fine balance and not everyone is going to agree with. What some people see as "better" gameplay, others will just simply disagree. Sonic Colours gameplay was seen as better than Generations, but I do not like Sonic Colours much at all, granted I do not like the boost gameplay much either.

But what we have seen is that the boost gameplay, as bad as it has been for some, has done well to get Sonic back into the limelight for others. Not everyone is going to accept it, or may just think its a terrible gimmick altogether, but there is no denying that there are people that do like it.

I mean look at Phantasy Star Online 2, some people dislike where that game has gone whilst others are very much enjoying the title, so even if you try something new, it might not resonate with all fans and that is what happens with long running series. Even being a big Yakuza fan, I am not a fan of the PSP spinoff, even if it does contain all the ingredients to make it the best in the series (And to quite a few fans, it is) but it is just too different for me to like, whilst the more refined Yakuza 5 is my favourite in the series and probably my favourite game of all time now.

Back to Sonic, the series should be reinvented when the time comes and not before, so far the boost gameplay is yet to fall out with fans outside of the classic fans (I'm in that group) but take yourself back from what you perceive at being for the best and what is working currently or being enjoyed now rather.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on April 30, 2013, 07:15:18 pm
CrazyTails, be sure to not get too much excited. It is very possible and probable that this rumor is false.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on April 30, 2013, 07:18:29 pm
Yeah, thanks for the wake-up slap (http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/16/Wake-Up_Slap.png)

Kind of let myself go for a minute.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 30, 2013, 07:29:02 pm
I think the one thing they need to perfect is the slower sections. Unleashed was poopy when it came to moving slow as Sonic in the day stages, Colors was a little better, Generations improved on it a bit more but not entirely.

Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: celsowm on April 30, 2013, 07:34:54 pm
May 21 is "D Day" !
This time SEGA can not make the same mistake of Sonic 2006 !


and about XBOX Infinite: http://www.slashgear.com/xbox-720-detail-leaks-suggest-xbox-infinity-as-new-name-28279672/
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Aki-at on April 30, 2013, 07:44:40 pm
Well we certainly got a spike of visitors.

If only we could get this turnover for a non-Sonic SEGA game :(

But just incase you, yes you! The one of 80 guests! If you're felling guilty, fear not! For you can sign this Facebook campaign and all will be forgiven! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=483365031718403
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 30, 2013, 08:29:28 pm
Hey we broke a guest record!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Ravenfreak on April 30, 2013, 09:09:32 pm
Well he has predicted the other sonic games in the past, so i'm about 50/50 that this is definitely legit. And finally we get to play as the main crew, sure other characters are said to make a cameo but you don't get to play as them. I really hope this isn't one huge joke, this could very much be the Sonic game i've been waiting for. :D
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on May 01, 2013, 10:06:00 am
Wasn't Wentos the guy who said the third Mario and Sonic woudn't be an Olympic game?

Also SEGA is the biggest shareholder of Dimps.

I woudn't trust him too much.

Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kori-Maru on May 01, 2013, 12:52:28 pm
Goddamn we have 48 guests on this topic lol!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: TimmiT on May 01, 2013, 02:34:25 pm
Guys, that image in which he leaked Sonic Generations turned out to be a fake.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on May 01, 2013, 06:25:55 pm
Guys, that image in which he leaked Sonic Generations turned out to be a fake.
? it did? I guess someone could have switched the tripcodes in the image..
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: George on May 01, 2013, 06:48:15 pm
The next Sonic game will be a open world Chao based strategy game using the Total War engine, then there will be a mobile one using the Gearbox Aliens engine, a first person shooter where you play as Shadow the Hedgehog.

YOU ARE WELCOMED!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 01, 2013, 06:57:14 pm
The next Sonic game will be a open world Chao based strategy game using the Total War engine, then there will be a mobile one using the Gearbox Aliens engine, a first person shooter where you play as Shadow the Hedgehog.

YOU ARE WELCOMED!
sounds great. pc exclusive, right?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: George on May 01, 2013, 07:11:57 pm
sounds great. pc exclusive, right?
No, WiiU exclusive.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 01, 2013, 08:57:11 pm
No, WiiU exclusive.

Ick. how could you do that?!?!?

Poor creative assembly, being forced to work on that under-powered hardware, at least you could of gave them a PS4. ideally though they need core i7 extreme and nvidia titan to express true creativity.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: TimmiT on May 02, 2013, 05:59:16 am
? it did? I guess someone could have switched the tripcodes in the image..

Actually someone just changed the date to February 2011 I think. Anyway, this is most likely fake.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on May 02, 2013, 10:15:11 am
It would be a kickass game tho
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on May 02, 2013, 11:19:40 am
Another game stating at a New York like city would be lame tough.

Fresh Art direction is what made the latest Sonic game so exciting.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 02, 2013, 11:34:39 am
start the game in the final zone, go the Bayonetta route and start with a bang.

Unleashed should have done that instead of the cutscene. Would have been awesome to kick off with a Super Sonic battle that ends with Sonic losing and being thrown to Earth. Have the credits roll as Sonic falls. Would have been cool.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on May 02, 2013, 05:22:07 pm
start the game in the final zone, go the Bayonetta route and start with a bang.

Unleashed should have done that instead of the cutscene. Would have been awesome to kick off with a Super Sonic battle that ends with Sonic losing and being thrown to Earth. Have the credits roll as Sonic falls. Would have been cool.
That would have been SUPER cool (get it)

I'd actually like if the main characters are Sonic, Knux and Shadow. "rebooting" Shadow would be pretty sweet, I liked him a lot in SA2.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on May 03, 2013, 06:15:06 am
Sonic with the CANCAS engine would be awesome!

Too bad SEGA used that potential engine on one game. :(
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on May 03, 2013, 12:50:46 pm
Sonic "EXCURSION?"  What did he just look up synonyms for adventure?  Shame on any of you that believed this.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on May 03, 2013, 01:57:14 pm
Sonic "EXCURSION?"  What did he just look up synonyms for adventure?  Shame on any of you that believed this.
>what is a codename.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on May 03, 2013, 03:00:30 pm
>what is a codename.

the worst codename ever maybe.  I know what you're doing here but it still sounds like a terrible fabrication.  I actually laughed when I read it.  Excursion!  What will they think of next. 
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 03, 2013, 03:07:41 pm
It has been confirmed fake.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on May 03, 2013, 05:57:23 pm
the worst codename ever maybe.  I know what you're doing here but it still sounds like a terrible fabrication.  I actually laughed when I read it.  Excursion!  What will they think of next. 
It would be a pretty stupid name.. But as a codename I would find it clever.

x x x

It may be a fake, but some aspects were pretty cool and I hope are actually implemented.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Nameless 24 on May 12, 2013, 03:03:57 pm
It'll probably be called Sonic Force or something by the end of it all.

Surely news of Sonic will appear soon?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: TimmiT on May 12, 2013, 07:20:54 pm
It's only a month until E3 2013, so either it will be announced between then and now or SEGA is actually going to wait until E3 to announce it. Which would be surprising seeing how they haven't done that with a main Sonic game since Sonic 2006.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 12, 2013, 10:28:07 pm
EA has said they can't talk about their next gen plans because they are under NDA's with their hardware partners. I imagine something similar is true for SEGA. I really hope these NDA's arent until E3!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: crackdude on May 13, 2013, 11:26:51 am
You guys think there will be a Sega press conference?
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on May 13, 2013, 11:40:13 am
You guys think there will be a Sega press conference?

Why should there be one?

Personally tough, around 2010 was a really good time to have a Sega press conference...
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: TimmiT on May 13, 2013, 02:00:42 pm
You guys think there will be a Sega press conference?
I highly doubt it. Those things cost money to do and if SEGA doesn't have enough interesting stuff to show there's really no reason to do it.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 13, 2013, 02:42:42 pm
At best, we'll get a E3 booth reveal or a mention in a console press show. I'll admit, as unexciting as Danica Patrick was, I liked that they had a big car at their booth and had a reveal time set. I think they revealed the City Escape trailer for Generations at their E3 booth as well.

Really, I'd love it if the next Sonic game was shown at the MS or Sony event.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 13, 2013, 02:44:31 pm
At best, we'll get a E3 booth reveal or a mention in a console press show. I'll admit, as unexciting as Danica Patrick was, I liked that they had a big car at their booth and had a reveal time set. I think they revealed the City Escape trailer for Generations at their E3 booth as well.

Really, I'd love it if the next Sonic game was shown at the MS or Sony event.

May 21st. believe.

That's when the next call of duty game is being shown off.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 13, 2013, 02:50:16 pm
Oh yeah, the Xbox reveal! Would be cool to see a SEGA game debut there.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on May 13, 2013, 05:11:50 pm
Oh yeah, the Xbox reveal! Would be cool to see a SEGA game debut there.

I feel like these console launches are a good opportunity to sneak in and release a killer game or two before the big "first party" titles come out.  It would feel great if a sega title was used to demonstrate the fidelity of the new xbox.  Feels like it's been a while since that's happened. 
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Deefy on May 15, 2013, 10:52:49 pm
Probably I found the name of the new SONIC masterpiece(at least I hope it is, a great game, obviously);
blare of trumpets ...
     
      SONIC LOST WORLD

IT was trademarked yesterday in the EU office, link: http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/it_DetailCTM_NoReg (http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/it_DetailCTM_NoReg).
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 15, 2013, 11:47:55 pm
Probably I found the name of the new SONIC masterpiece(at least I hope it is, a great game, obviously);
blare of trumpets ...
     
      SONIC LOST WORLD

IT was trademarked yesterday in the EU office, link: http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/it_DetailCTM_NoReg (http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/it_DetailCTM_NoReg).

That title makes it sound like a story heavy game.

also got a link directly to the trademark? i don't understand whatever language that is
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 15, 2013, 11:55:16 pm
ok here is a link to the english search

http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_Result_NoReg

type sonic lost world and you'll find it. they don't have a way to link directly
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on May 16, 2013, 12:10:36 am
Lost world is actually my favourite sonic adventure stage.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 16, 2013, 12:13:23 am
anyways, the fact that they just registered a trademark must mean they are revealing soon, i guess they really were waiting for the next XBOX to be unveiled first.

im guessing we get a trailer sometime next week. would be awesome if it was at the xbox event.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Radrappy on May 16, 2013, 12:34:23 am
So like. . . Sonic and the Lost World?  or it's just SONIC LOST WORLD?  Kind of a confusing title. 
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 16, 2013, 12:47:44 am
the domain name

soniclostworlds.com has been discovered and is registered to sega europe, it was registered on the 13th of this month

IT'S HAPPENING.gif

looks like SEGA wanted to keep everything under wraps until we got close, i guess they know how Sonic fans are. Looking like we will get our reveal next week.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Shigs on May 16, 2013, 12:54:32 am
Will, I'm crediting you in my TSS post. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 16, 2013, 12:58:48 am
don't credit me, credit Deefy, he's the whole reason it was found!
and TSSZnews found the domain
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on May 16, 2013, 01:01:11 am
Finally something real. Sonic lost worlds actually sounds like it could be a great theme and I like the name.

Glad it didnt end up being sonic excursion ;p
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Shigs on May 16, 2013, 01:02:40 am
don't credit me, credit Deefy, he's the whole reason it was found!
and TSSZnews found the domain

I did.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Aki-at on May 16, 2013, 03:32:19 am
I would not expect it at the Xbox event personally.

Although if Aliens and Sonic do appear at it, it's probably the most useful marketing SEGA West has ever done. As for the name, do not really care much by it, I want to see what the game looks like first.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: George on May 16, 2013, 04:28:41 am
OH NOES GUYS ITS THE SONIC CYCLE AGAIN

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/15/sonic-lost-world-trademarked-segas-sonic-cycle-begins-again/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Trippled on May 16, 2013, 04:42:05 am
There hasn't been an a Sonic game themed like the Mystic Ruins part of Sonic Adventure or Sonic 3 in a long time...
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 16, 2013, 09:40:40 am
I would not expect it at the Xbox event personally.

Although if Aliens and Sonic do appear at it, it's probably the most useful marketing SEGA West has ever done. As for the name, do not really care much by it, I want to see what the game looks like first.

Yeah, but would be great if it was.

but what i mean is I think they've been waiting for the next XBOX to be unveiled first before they announce the game. I'm guessing we get the announcement sometime next week, whether it be on tuesday or thursday.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 16, 2013, 10:00:42 am
I'm hoping that the most they give the Wii U in terms of exclusives is the Mario & Sonic games. No more storybook titles please.

Sonic Lost Worlds could easily be a main series title, and I hope it is.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 16, 2013, 10:02:23 am
I'm hoping that the most they give the Wii U in terms of exclusives is the Mario & Sonic games. No more storybook titles please.

Sonic Lost Worlds could easily be a main series title, and I hope it is.

for some reason I don't see Iizuka as the kind of guy who is big on storybook titles, notice they pretty much stopped after his face showed up again, and he said hes in control of Sonic. He doesn't want to make sonic games around existing stories, he wants to make his own stories.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 16, 2013, 10:16:52 am
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    So originally it was more or less the same team working on all the different Sonic titles, but after a few years, for various reasons, we started to delegate Sonic games to different groups of people.

    And everyone in the office has their own idea of what Sonic should be, so we started to see slightly varied, slightly different directions of Sonic games.

    I was conscious of this, so I’m now back with full responsibility of all things Sonic. I have control over the direction of not just Sonic Generations, but all the Sonic titles that we will develop in the future.

    So I have more control, and hopefully this will provide better appearances for future titles.

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    Sonic Generations sort of acts as the end of one period. After Sonic Generations, we will work on new Sonic titles. There’s going to be a whole new adventure, of course.

    For the digital and mobile space, we have Sonic 4 – Episode 1 is already out, and we’ve already started creating Episode 2.

    We’re going to continue to explore the reimaginationing of classic Sonic, but at the same time we will also keep looking into the gaming space around modern Sonic games.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2011/09/takashi-iizuka-talks-about-the-past-and-future-of-sonic/
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Scottdevine48 on May 16, 2013, 03:01:28 pm

Those Sonic Excursion rumors are fake, stupid, fake and joke.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: George on May 16, 2013, 06:42:13 pm
Hopefully its a main story game with it coming to PS3/360/WiiU and also 720/PS4 with a new engine.

Its been awhile since we had a new Sonic game, its not too much to ask for, right?

Also would be cool if Sonic Team had 2 teams, one working on the 'last gen' version (one console, possibly 360) and have Sumo Digital port it to the other two and 720/PS4 is Sonic Team's big team.

I can dream.
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Deefy on May 16, 2013, 06:44:58 pm
ok here is a link to the english search

http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_Result_NoReg

type sonic lost world and you'll find it. they don't have a way to link directly

Sorry I was in a hurry, and I have not noticed that the link was for the page in Italian.

don't credit me, credit Deefy, he's the whole reason it was found!
and TSSZnews found the domain

Thanks Will, you're a great guy ;-)

I did.

Thank you Shigs!
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Deefy on May 16, 2013, 07:07:44 pm
Hopefully its a main story game with it coming to PS3/360/WiiU and also 720/PS4 with a new engine.

Its been awhile since we had a new Sonic game, its not too much to ask for, right?

Also would be cool if Sonic Team had 2 teams, one working on the 'last gen' version (one console, possibly 360) and have Sumo Digital port it to the other two and 720/PS4 is Sonic Team's big team.

I can dream.

George, with regard to "a main story game" for consoles and that the above title is a packaged ones, I'm pretty sure, seen that almost always the Nice Classification: 9, regards this kind of games ;-)
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: CrazyT on May 16, 2013, 07:09:09 pm
Those Sonic Excursion rumors are fake, stupid, fake and joke.
no they're not! Nah just kiddin. welcome to the forums
Title: Re: Sonic 2013 Speculation Thread
Post by: Happy Cat on May 16, 2013, 09:07:45 pm
@deefy thanks! you're a pretty great guy too, thanks for discovering that trademark, now SEGA can't surprise us

Hopefully its a main story game with it coming to PS3/360/WiiU and also 720/PS4 with a new engine.

Its been awhile since we had a new Sonic game, its not too much to ask for, right?

Also would be cool if Sonic Team had 2 teams, one working on the 'last gen' version (one console, possibly 360) and have Sumo Digital port it to the other two and 720/PS4 is Sonic Team's big team.

I can dream.

My guess is it's been built on the same hedgehog engine we know and love, what platform though, probably 360. That's always been the main platform for hedgehog engine.

I think whoever ports it to PC will be the ones porting it to next gen platforms since next gen is x86 too.

Of course this is all just assuming it was mainly built as a current gen game and is being up-ported to next gen. Things could be completely different then what I'm guessing. For all we know SEGA could of built it as a next gen game first.

If it was built as a current gen game, I'm not complaining! Sonic Generations looks beautiful on PC at 60 FPS and it would no doubt be that on next gen platforms if it's a current gen game.