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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Happy Cat on September 03, 2014, 12:10:44 pm
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https://twitter.com/SEGA/status/507206954800803840
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https://twitter.com/SEGA/status/507206954800803840
they are really dragging us along. why don't they just cancel the game already. it's obvious it's never coming. It's been 2 years since it was announced in the west!
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I'd still play it if it came to NA. I wouldn't touch any other MMO, but I'd go crazy over PSO2 if they do end up bringing it over.
Also, if they do end up bringing over PSO2 and it does marginally well, there'd be a good chance that Nova would be brought over too.
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Sounds like what someone says when they're negotiating with someone but the other side is playing hard ball. By the time the game is released it will be outdated and japan would have moved on to another better version...
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Yeah, they need to quit yanking our chain and just let it go. As much as i really wanted to play this game, i don't see it happening.
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Sounds like what someone says when they're negotiating with someone but the other side is playing hard ball. By the time the game is released it will be outdated and japan would have moved on to another better version...
Agree, i think they will not bring it over here until they "finished it" in Japan.
they are really dragging us along. why don't they just cancel the game already. it's obvious it's never coming. It's been 2 years since it was announced in the west!
Cmon will, for me is obvious that they still not cancelled because the "Bring PSO2 to the west" generate publicity, free publicity, they will not officially cancel it until this phrase stop, because maybe for you this twit is just a way to piss off many fans but for many other people is a relief. You know this for sure but sometimes you have to think the corporate way.
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I'm current playing the game with Episode 3's Update....all I can say is now this game is "most completed" for western audience but also there are many things that they need to revise for making a release someday.
[/size]Also, I'm in the last bunch of Episode 1's Story.....I will post something about that latter, stay tuned ;) .[size=78%]
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I have a feeling that Asiasoft nabbed the exclusive rights to the English version from SEGA Japan, I say this because when they launched it they touted how it was the only English version.
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This should be at the main segabits page.
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To make matters even worse, Asiasoft lost money on this:
http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/08/asiansoft-publisher-phantasy-star-online-2-lost-revenues/
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This should be at the main segabits page.
No it shouldn't. This is just the standard response SEGA PR has given us for the past two years regarding the English release of PSO2. There's basically no news here aside from that the PR message they're supposed to give still hasn't changed.
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Yeah I agree, its just a typical PR response we got last September. Yep, in a week and some days it will be a year.
http://segabits.com/blog/2013/09/19/phantasy-star-online-2-still-coming-west/
I'll post it on the front page when they do more than talk.
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If it comes west it needs ALL of the additional content that has come out since as standard...
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If it comes west it needs ALL of the additional content that has come out since as standard...
I think that is a given myself (if it ever comes) . Maybe SEGA West are waiting for PSO III content and then ship it over . Also SEGA need to bring this to the next gen consoles now , before other 3rd parties start to bring their online games to the next gen
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The game will be active at least 5 years more.
I can guarantee you that.
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It was created with that intencion.
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Would be nice if they announced a port to a console at TGS, for those that don't have a capable PC.
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That's if they give the west the new updates if it ever gets released. Anyway it won't be like the first game where you could conceivably play everyone around the world.
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Sega is more or less playing the part of the local cable company in south park at this rate.
Only at least the Cable company in south park was offering services/products in the area at least.
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1. Phuck consoles......they are all screwed up.
2. PC is great. You can hook it up like an console.
3. We do not need any PSO2 engrish version. It is a waste of time because people already translated the J-PSO2 game. SEGA can just take that time and make some add-ons for the game and just allow western people to purchase points thru steam or some bs like that. Or even on the SEGA site. That is all. SEGA is wasting our time with translating PSO2. Waste of money and waste of answers.
4. To make things great. Just like the PSO BBurst and GCN/ DReamcast. It will be able to play offline and with unofficial servers as well.
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Would be nice if they announced a port to a console at TGS, for those that don't have a capable PC.
Doesn't take a very capable machine to run PSO2 but I agree with this statement.
The previous PSO's were on consoles, and the franchise itself was birthed on them. An Xbox port would effectively be done for them given the similarities of API, and a PS4 port probably wouldn't take much effort after that.
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Doesn't take a very capable machine to run PSO2 but I agree with this statement.
The previous PSO's were on consoles, and the franchise itself was birthed on them. An Xbox port would effectively be done for them given the similarities of API, and a PS4 port probably wouldn't take much effort after that.
It doesn't need a powerful PC, but its frustrating as hell getting it run on PC from my experience. A console would extremely streamline the experience and make the game more accessible to a wider audience. and I say that as someone who is dealing with stupid issues with my PC almost all the time it seems like. I have a lot of experience with troubleshooting issues and installing PSO2 still drives me nuts.
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It doesn't need a powerful PC, but its frustrating as hell getting it run on PC from my experience. A console would extremely streamline the experience and make the game more accessible to a wider audience. and I say that as someone who is dealing with stupid issues with my PC almost all the time it seems like. I have a lot of experience with troubleshooting issues and installing PSO2 still drives me nuts.
Aye. Stupid Gameguard.
Again, I agree with the console sentiment. The Original PSO was famous for MMO-ising a console game, I don't see why console should be denied the opportunity to play it's successor. So I'm all for a console port of PSO2, especially if it helps the game eventually get localized, though my interest itself fades every day.
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I don't see the issue having it on console. Personally I'm going to run it on PC, I like PC, that is what I prefer but the franchise has a long history of being on consoles, that was the point of the first game. Give a online PC experience on consoles and its a bit lame that they are basically ignored the PS3/360. Maybe they weren't powerful enough to run it how SEGA wanted, but now that the PS4 has plenty of free-to-play games the excuses are much lower. Not to mention the internals on PS4 makes porting way easier.
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The issue with console is motivated by money. Sega could easily put PSO on consoles but its far cheaper to put it on digital and PC because they don't have to pay the extra costs towards the console companies to publish it or kick backs from each game unit it sells.
That's a factor that many people are missing. Everyone complains about sega is not kicking ass on consoles but the reality is they are kicking ass...just not on consoles...and they're making a lot more money on newer titles than they would have done if they had been released on consoles. And for far less the cost. VITA is the only system they even considered releasing some of these games onto but its usually an after thought way after the game has established itself and made its none on the platform of choice..mobile or PC. The only bad side to all this is if they continue this run which they seem to be doing than the inevitable situation is that Sega will end up laying off half its staff because they won't need them for console development anymore. Only arcades and Mobile/PC digital FTP titles. And it also looks that this trend could spread to other companies in japan as well. I'd hate to say it but console development unless it changes drastically will probably be near extinction in japan in the next several years...
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One does not simply "Sell" a game that is Free to download and play*
*Microtransactions obviously included.
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All titles are counted as sales or in the case of FTP, PTP games in their reports downloads. Whether its the FTP games which has tons of adverts in the game or PTP which you pay for weapons, to download the next levels etc etc...
Still they're getting their money with little costs...
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All titles are counted as sales or in the case of FTP, PTP games in their reports downloads. Whether its the FTP games which has tons of adverts in the game or PTP which you pay for weapons, to download the next levels etc etc...
Still they're getting their money with little costs...
sometimes you have to make sacrifices to reap the rewards.
Surely the greatly expanded userbase by having PSO2 on consoles would outweigh getting all the profit of DLC to yourself. SEGA already has the game on Vita. So they already aren't getting 100% profit.
There is a lot of people who don't game on PC's. Console in the future might not be the same way they are today, but, PC experience will never be simplified. Valve has tried and failed. PC gaming is for enthusiasts. Too many problems that can happen with it.
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Doesn't take a very capable machine to run PSO2
no, it certainly doesn't but it looks god awful at low settings. I have a pretty powerful pc and even I need to scale down a lot of settings to get it to run smoothly during some of those emergency codes. It literally looks like a high res psx game at low settings. And with a game like this, visuals are half the draw.
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sometimes you have to make sacrifices to reap the rewards.
Surely the greatly expanded userbase by having PSO2 on consoles would outweigh getting all the profit of DLC to yourself. SEGA already has the game on Vita. So they already aren't getting 100% profit.
There is a lot of people who don't game on PC's. Console in the future might not be the same way they are today, but, PC experience will never be simplified. Valve has tried and failed. PC gaming is for enthusiasts. Too many problems that can happen with it.
Not really since Vita isn't as expensive as it is on console. There's a reason why SOJ started to concentrate more on handheld systems with their various games as well as platforms on their way out before they fully went gung ho on the digital side of things. They looking for the least minimal R+D costs to reap maximum profit.
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Digital extremes is 170 Employees
Gaijin Entertainment is 60+ employees.
Both have self published F2P MMO's on the PS4.
Saying Sega can't because of cost as far as I'm concerned is almost like making excuses.
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Not really since Vita isn't as expensive as it is on console. There's a reason why SOJ started to concentrate more on handheld systems with their various games as well as platforms on their way out before they fully went gung ho on the digital side of things. They looking for the least minimal R+D costs to reap maximum profit.
What makes game content on Vita more expensive then game content on PS4? Aside from graphics cost of course, I mean of course most games on PS4 are going to have better graphics. I'm talking about publisher fees and such. Do you have any proof you can share?
I have done some research, and while most info seems to be behind locked gates that require you to be a developer and sign NDA's... I did find this bit.
When it comes to working with third party studios Boyes said "it's talking to them directly, it's listening to them, it's caring about what they have to say and then it's actually taking that feedback and actually applying it to improving things."
Describing developer meetings as being "like a focus test" Boyes commented that Sony try to take what they learn from these meetings to make their consoles even more developer friendly. One way in which they aim to do this is by waiving fees for making game patches in the majority of cases.
"Our publicised policy is that you have to pay patch fees in order to patch the content but the reality is, especially for independent developers, we don't charge them for that. We have not in the last three years in our territory. It's really important for us to work with them to make sure it's as early as possible for them to get the content out there, especially if it's a fix for a game breaking bug," Boyes revealed.
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/13654/article/sony-on-developer-relations-and-waiving-game-patch-fees/
So that makes me curious. I imagine Sony waives update fees if you make some kind of deal with them. I mean we have no way of confirming since we aren't the ones working on PSO2, but SEGA seems to have no problem with the game being on PSN, as it's on the Vita. Whether it's on PS4 or PS Vita isn't going to make a difference in regards to patch fees. I also imagine Sony realizes it is common knowledge that MMO's need to be updated often and aren't going to charge a rediculous amount for patch fees. Seeing as how there is a lot of other MMO's on PSN I can't imagine the fees are that bad or if they even exist at all for MMO's.
As for if Sony gets money from DLC that is irrelevant in this case, as the only way to purchase items with real money in PSO2 is to buy an in game currency through SEGA's PSO2 website. This is true for both the Vita and PC versions.
PS4 also has PC architecture, so it wouldn't be very hard or super expensive to port or anything. I mean of course it would cost money, making a port of any kind does, but if it has potential to greatly expand the userbase, then you take the risk and make the port. Game development in general is all about taking calculated risks to make a profit.
With those facts in mind. I don't see any problem with there being a PS4 version.
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You kinda answered your own question mate with the first sentence.
Besides development on PC has always been cheaper than developing on consoles which uses its own semi custom hardware and extortionate publishing fees. Even if it shares PC specs. Package games market has also shrinked in the last several years as well. And publishing games on a PS4 would be more expensive than publishing it on vita. Also Sega just won't lose that much of a percentage with every game sold on vita to sony as they would do if it was Ps4. Just common logistics. That's not to say it won't be released on console in the future...but i doubt it since its taking this long...were nearly two years on PSo2 now. But if you look at the recent SHINING RESONANCE game that has been released on PS3..when technically it could easily be released on PS4. But they won't because its cheaper to release it on PS3 now. Like i said cheaper operations in order to gain maximum profits..and no amount of bellyaching or scratching our collective heads isn't going to change that.
And sony only makes deals if you have a game they want and you can make it an exclusive. The only title that they want from Sega is YAKUZA. So i wouldn't take some PR from Sony as being literal. You saw how Sega made deals with Nintendo to effectively carry the burden of publishing duties for the WiiU for Sonic and by default BAYONETTA 2 hey got them to take over funding the game's development.
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I see.
Well, if they don't ever plan on bringing it west then I guess there is no point on putting it on consoles. Although I could see Sony wanting it on console to help boost the PS4 Japanese line up. They seem to really want to get Japanese games on the PS4 if TGS is anything to go by. I find that pretty exciting.
Maybe TGS will have some surprises for us. that would be awesome.
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I see.
Well, if they don't ever plan on bringing it west then I guess there is no point on putting it on consoles. Although I could see Sony wanting it on console to help boost the PS4 Japanese line up. They seem to really want to get Japanese games on the PS4 if TGS is anything to go by. I find that pretty exciting.
Maybe TGS will have some surprises for us. that would be awesome.
Unless they can get some exclusive on PSO like a PSO third game like Nintendo got with EPISODE 3 of the first title than yes. But sega seems to be content on doing this method of selling/distrubuting the game
as for the main point of your post, I dunno Sega hasn't really approached the consoles factor as a third party properly as far as the west is concerned. While i debate with TA and a few others about the facts that they can't just go all out like he wants the remaining factor that i would have to agree on is Sega hasn't gone "all out". The bottom line is SOJ management just doesn't know what they're doing before sammy and after sammy. Keeping too many franchises(new and old) in japan (on console and now digital, although that may change) was just a knee jerk reaction to a bad situation during the early noughties. I also think Sega would be better off focusing on one console that they made themselves since they have proven an inability to move on from the one system syndrome.
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Better vita version than nothing at all for the west.
Sega Approached Sony About PSO2 Vita Localization
Source : http://www.tssznews.com/2015/03/31/source-sega-approached-sony-about-pso2-vita-localization/
Here's what I assume what's happened all of this time.
SOJ : "We don't care about gaijins. Go play any other games you like."
SOA : "We're kinda out of funds now. Sony, will you help us for localization?"
Sony : "For Vita? If it's a PS4 game we would be happy to help, but for Vita? Eeeeww.."
JK, of course.
IMO it will help boosting Vita's sales in the west since the game is free.
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Why the fuck would this only come West for Vita... If that is the case I will be incredibly pissed.
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Best approach would be ignoring Vita and bringing it to PS4 (and Xbone). Also the companion app maybe.
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SEGA is such a joke for screwing this one up. I don't care what the issue is, this is one of their bigger IPs, and one that literally fell off the face of the Earth, without a single word.
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Via TSSZ? Ehhhhh.... I kind of don't trust them and their 'sources'.
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Every time I see one of their stories, I tend to dislike their writing. I haven't heard the best things about them, either.
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Yeah, when you think Sony Pictures is the same as Sony Computer Entertainment, people won't be taking your 'insider rumor' very seriously.
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The ship has long sailed. I've stopped caring. If it ever does end up coming west though I'll definitely enjoy it. I enjoyed what I played of the Japanese version. If it never comes west, oh well.
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Another long list of failures that SEGA has demonstrated with the Phantasy Star franchise, basically.
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Why not just release normal console versions everywhere?
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I think its simply because the whole micro-transactions style of business has too much red tape around it in different markets. It's too complicated and too costly to figure out.
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I think in PSO2's case, the f2p aspect affected the core game way too much. I find it really weird for some reason. Some f2p games like spiral knights for example, just make getting things take longer or challenging depending on the way you look at it. PSO2 just locks out stuff like trading completely. Makes obtaining things from the auction impossible because wealth is so divided between those who pay and those who dont. And my biggest gripe is that the focus is put too much on catering to the people who pay instead of polishing the core game into a solid experience. I dont know how succesful this would be in the west
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Welcome to the new SEGA and SEGA's brave new digital world - which means not only consoles users but even mobile users in the West will be pissed . Nice one Sammy SEGA.
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What.
The.
Fuck.
Are.
You.
Talking.
About.
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Most of SEGA Japan output will never come to the West and I really doubt PSO II will ever come out over here. Still we got Football Manager and Total War - True SEGA Games with blue sky's.
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I agree its a tragedy that Phantasy Star Online 2 didn't come out west, really fantastic jab at the company. Should Creative Assembly make Streets of Rage or something to your liking? So it can sell 40k copies?
You do know how stupid your argument is? "Still get Football Manager and Total War" pretending that those games are the reason that PSO2 didn't come out west. If that is your argument, I don't even know what to say.
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No its not and you its not . The new SEGA Japan that is going all digital will mean more and more Mobile games and less and less of their games coming over here , lets face it ok .
Just ask yourself this George . In 10 to 15 years time, can you see this site (if its still going) celebrating SEGA games like this site does now looking back 15 years ago to the likes of SEGA WOW, Smilebit ECT .Can you really see this site talking and praising so foundly SEGA Japan current output and all us looking back at how great SEGA Mobile teams are and their games were .
I really can't and that's the trouble I have .
I agree its a tragedy that Phantasy Star Online 2 didn't come out west,
Its a disgrace. the best and most magical thing about PSO was the way it brought players from around the world together - All that is totally lost with PSO II. Its such a shame and tragic
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Source : http://www.tssznews.com/2015/03/31/source-sega-approached-sony-about-pso2-vita-localization/
I wouldn't put too much stock in TSSZNews being right when it comes to their own sources.
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Do we have to do this same 'digital' argument again TA? PSO2 is a digital only game, so why do you care whether it comes west or not? By your own admission digital titles aren't 'SEGA DNA' and aren't memorable.
SEGA have always made a verity of games and that 'blue sky' waffle applies to a VERY slim few of them. Not to mention talking badly about Total War, Football Manager or other Western made SEGA games just because you don't like them is really obnoxious. Plenty of SEGA classics were made outside of Japan, including one of my all time favourites, Comix Zone.
I became a SEGA fan because they developed/published a variety of games, in a variety of genres and managed to always make them really awesome. I didn't care who developed them, or in which country. Is Alien Isolation or Total War, or SEGA Racing Transformed or whatever bad games because they weren't developed by Yu Suzuki? In Japan? Are they less 'SEGA DNA' than Ecco the Dolphin? If that is what you believe, I'd love to know the mental gymnastics you're doing to come to that conclusion.
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Do we have to do this same 'digital' argument again TA? PSO2 is a digital only game, so why do you care whether it comes west or not? By your own admission digital titles aren't 'SEGA DNA' and aren't memorable.
SEGA have always made a verity of games and that 'blue sky' waffle applies to a VERY slim few of them. Not to mention talking badly about Total War, Football Manager or other Western made SEGA games just because you don't like them is really obnoxious. Plenty of SEGA classics were made outside of Japan, including one of my all time favourites, Comix Zone.
I became a SEGA fan because they developed/published a variety of games, in a variety of genres and managed to always make them really awesome. I didn't care who developed them, or in which country. Is Alien Isolation or Total War, or SEGA Racing Transformed or whatever bad games because they weren't developed by Yu Suzuki? In Japan? Are they less 'SEGA DNA' than Ecco the Dolphin? If that is what you believe, I'd love to know the mental gymnastics you're doing to come to that conclusion.
Pretty much this. And to add to that, a SEGA published game developed by a non-SEGA studio like Tembo the Badass Elephant is as much of a SEGA game as ToeJam & Earl. Only difference is that SEGA isn't publishing it on one of their own consoles.
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SEGA have always made a verity of games and that 'blue sky' waffle applies to a VERY slim few of them. Not to mention talking badly about Total War, Football Manager or other Western made SEGA games just because you don't like them is really obnoxious. Plenty of SEGA classics were made outside of Japan, including one of my all time favourites, Comix Zone.
I haven't talked badly at all about Total War at all and you start to make a list of the so called classic that SEGA America/Europe made compared In-House to the output of Japan and we all know SEGA Japan kiled them and tbh SEGA Japan killed most other devleopers only SEGA Japan could have made the likes of Shenmue, JSR, REZ, Panzer Dragon Saga, Mickey Mouse Skies of Arcadia , Sonic , F355, Burning Rangers, Phantasy Star series , Switch, Streets Of Rage II, Shinobi Series, Sega Rally I and II , Virtual Racing , Yakuza, NiGHTS, Orta, Virtual Fighter, Virtual Tennis and so many more classics its untrue, never mind the ones SOJ also produced
I liked plenty of SEGA West In-House games, quite alot of what they produced too (I think I must the only one who loved Bug) but compared to the likes of SEGA Japan did its a non content and what I see happing to the corp to the talent and the staff inside SEGA Japan makes me sick as does seeing them more and more backing mobile.
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Lately I thought about it, but really regardless of Sega not localizing games is financially viable or not - ever since the Mega Drive games, Sega was always bringing out the counter culture of games, it's their DNA, what people remember them for. That is evidenced by the fact that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest were barely localized, while every Shining and Phantasy Star title was. Today it is the backwards situation.
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The localization is a real issue, I hate it and it's dumb... Hopefully Atlus begin publishing the games SEGA don't. But digital titles are not a problem, and SEGA West's games are no less 'SEGA' than any other. All that matters at the end of the day is quality titles. If you don't like the genre, or the hardware then that's your problem.
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Yeah digital was always destined to be Sega's fortune, look at their message from annual reports during 2002, or 1999...leading network company and so on.
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What did you want, really?
That's a simple question that nobody included myself hasn't able to respond correctly.
If anything could happen this year, we will get Yakuza 5, Miku, DBFG, 3D Classics, Another Digital Western IP and maybe the next-gen multiplat Sonic.
What more did you want with how the market is it now?
Another failure like Sega Heritage, Virtua Tennis 4 and more?
Do you think there is a loyal fanbase in consoles that will buy Sega stuff besides Sonic first week or month?
Say what you want but this site is posting Sega news mostly every week and time says that Sega didn't stop their Input for better or worst. Why? Simple, because games like Total War and Football Manager keep selling every iteration every month...and they only are released in PC.
Sonic Dash has almost 100 million downloads and 1+million daily users active. "Sonic is dead and Sonic is not relevant to peole anymore" my ass.
Do I need to tell you how good they are doing in Japan? Oh well, I think I need to talk about how any freaking japanese dev are leaving the consoles.
Heck, I think I shouldn't talk about this, but Capcom is the only one that doesn't "deal" with this and they streamlined every IP's into digital, exclusive releases or more online games.
And you know, every company except Konami is helping Capcom in one way or another because they didn't have the money to releases full traditional games like before.
Keep saying thigs about the devs losing "Sega DNA" for mobile, TA. I will only say that "time will tell" to make you an answer. Keep looking...
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Is Virtua Tennis 4 really a failure. They highlighted in a financial report for doing a million.
Hell NiGHTS on Steam did better than the Mickey Mouse game (info from the SteamSpy website http://steamspy.com/dev/SEGA (http://steamspy.com/dev/SEGA))
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1 Million + in a hard licensing middle term game was not a good sign.
In comparison with what games they have sold the most (TW and FM) and how that year was in terms of sales and profits, they had more losses than sucess. Even Virtua Tennis Challenge for mobiles has made more money than the console game later on.
Nights and other titles are in a good shape with sales on Steam. ..but in consoles, they fail expectations as often.
I think that is clear why there is not good loyal consumers to the Sega brand in Consoles.
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I think that is clear why there is not good loyal consumers to the Sega brand in Consoles.
Brand wise SEGA just don't push and cultivate their brands as well as Nintendo do. Nintendo basically live off of recreating the same 12 or games in the same brands over and over again with better graphics for the past 30 years. I do prefer SEGA for their output, but I do wish they would build upon their brands.
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Ah Trippled has been using Steam Spy too. I was using it all day yesterday. Thinking of making an article on successes and none successes. But yes, Mickey game only did like a bit over 40k. Where are all the retro guys bitching that they want more legacy content when it comes to actually buying the game? Oh... right. Their in forums complaining about Total War and Football Manager while the games are selling millions.
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I think now is the time when Sega needs to do more things with PC at least. No matter if they released a old game, if they do a good PR and have a good community like often they had, they can achieved something.
They already have a good spoken word in that market and we need to push forward even if we dislike that x game is not re-released or got a sequel/remake/etc.
Just see what happen with VC and Alien:Isolation, PC gamers embrace them. The good calls are functioning and we can expect more from that.
I know that most people that play only in consoles are gonna be pissed by this things but c'mon, it's almost 14 years since Sega is a third party and in many ocasions it was completely ignored or they only care about Sonic (like him or disapproval this and that from him) and only buy cheap stuff from the company.
Of course that Sega has multiplatform projects on the way (both New Sonic Game and new CA Console team game) but don't expect too much multiplat now. This is not a good or bad thing, it's the only option that they have after so many terrible things from SoA and really good but not in the right time moves from SoE. That's the deal fom now on.
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I think SEGA not being exclusive to Nintendo is good for the company. Porting from PC, PS4 and Xbone is easy due to the systems being quite similar to each other. Unlike last generation where Sony was its own system and sales where all over the place (Wii doing amazing, then doing poorly. PS3 doing terrible and picking up steam in the end. 360 doing great to good).
This time around it seems that Playstation 4 will be the front runner and Xbone will claw its way to sell more (which is fine). But at least this time its not that hard to port between those two.
Sadly for the Wii U, being so different might mean 'new experiences' but it also means they are ignored due to downgrading/porting costing more on their system.
Basically think if Tembo the Badass Elephant is any sign, going PS4, Xbone and PC for title is the best bet (unless SEGA signs a contract for console exclusivity with Sony like Capcom did with Street Fighter V).
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Eh. I just gave up on it coming to the west. I've just been playing the Japanese version instead. ;)
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PSO2 items are coming to Sonic Runners, and Sonic Runners has an official soft launch in North America (canada). What a troll. Then again, wouldn't be the first time SEGA did this to us. Project Diva F has PSO2 reference in it.
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Hell NiGHTS on Steam did better than the Mickey Mouse game (info from the SteamSpy website http://steamspy.com/dev/SEGA (http://steamspy.com/dev/SEGA))
Steamspy does note that the NiGHTS numbers may be inaccurate. As much as I'd like them to be correct, it's hard to believe NiGHTS could have outsold Jet Set Radio and almost match Sonic Adventure 2 sales, given how those two sold a lot better than NiGHTS on XBLA and PSN.
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Its funny that people here hate on Total War and Football Manager franchises but those teams where so fucking cheap (around 25 million for both, is that correct?) and made their money back so fucking fast. Empire did 3> million copies and Football Manager 15 sold 800k and it hasn't been on deep sale at all (40 dollars plus per copy).
People wonder why they aren't getting legacy releases and don't even bother themselves to buy it (general fan). There was a guy online bitching at me that SEGA should make another Shinobi and Shining Force game and when I told him that Shinobi had a 3DS game he didn't even know it existed. Great, stop bitching and play SEGA games before complaining about a new one. People like this make SEGA fans look like jokes.
Not even Sonic is selling over a million anymore. That is literally the last SEGA franchise born inhouse... and while I do talk shit about fans its also SEGA's shitty marketing department and management. SEGA needs a radical new approach on how they reach gamers, because what they are doing now (aka only advertising Sonic and Alien games) isn't working for them in the long run.
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All that matters at the end of the day is quality titles.
And that's where SEGA Japan are falling fast and are offering little of note to the console or PC gamer .
If you don't like the genre, or the hardware then that's your problem
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You might want SEGA Japan just to be a moble developer I don't . I miss the day of counting down the weeks for the next Big SEGA Japan game . None of which ones gets with a Mobile game .
If anything could happen this year, we will get Yakuza 5, Miku, DBFG, 3D Classics, Another Digital Western IP and maybe the next-gen multiplat Sonic. What more did you want with how the market is it now? Another failure like Sega Heritage, Virtua Tennis 4 and more
Sigh.. Think like that SEGA Japan might have well give up on console and PC development . Its hardly a great line up and Virtual Tennis IV sold better than any Yakuza game to date .
Sonic Dash has almost 100 million downloads and 1+million daily users active. "Sonic is dead and Sonic is not relevant to peole anymore" my ass.Do I need to tell you how good they are doing in Japan? Oh well, I think I need to talk about how any freaking japanese dev are leaving the consoles
If that was true then you'll have loads of people saying how great SEGA is, SEGA is the best developer bar none and we'll have loads of new members on here all talking about and praising SEGA mobile games and how great Sonic is Ect. Take a look on the internet, the forums and the press. Nobody really cares anymore about SEGA and even on here there's next to no talk about the likes of Sonic Dash or Runners.
I want SEGA Japan to be a major player on the consoles and PC - To the real gamers, not the kind of people that think Candy Crush is the best game ever made .
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Its funny that people here hate on Total War and Football Manager franchises but those teams where so fucking cheap (around 25 million for both, is that correct?) and made their money back so fucking fast.
Or whats more funny is back before SEGA bought those companies there was next to no talk of how great Total War or Football Manager is onthe likes of Sega Nerds, nothing then but now that SEGA owns the IP they're great all of a sundden . I'm an massive footy fan I think FM is amazing and have no issues with SEGA being on the PC at all or going digital (hell a lot of my XBox game I know buy through digital)
My issues are is how I miss the SEGA Japan that was a powerhouse onthe consoels too (while also good on the PC) and where I would be counting down the weeks till the likes of Orta, JSR, VF , REZ, Space Channel 5 would hit the shops . I want the SEGA that be making a big action game for the consoles (say like Binary Domain II) , that is making Sonic for the consoles , that is making PSO for the consoles and showing off some major tech and being a big player on the consoles and PC - Not a SEGA that is reduced to quick, easy bloody mobile games .
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Did you really know what this site is all about for a moment, TA??
What kind of argument is that?? Derailing, complaining, ranting, acusing, hoping, everything in one post for your own sake of opinion.
Many years past since Sega is third party and you continue to want a AAA full-force high investment, low margin games from them without counting the bads that have already showed in last two console generations and they have explained, informed and opinated many, many, many times.
If you try to live in the past, go for it.
I hope people want to play Rez in their X360....
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Did you really know what this site is all about for a moment, TA??
What kind of argument is that?? Derailing, complaining, ranting, acusing, hoping, everything in one post for your own sake of opinion.
Many years past since Sega is third party and you continue to want a AAA full-force high investment, low margin games from them without counting the bads that have already showed in last two console generations and they have explained, informed and opinated many, many, many times.
If you try to live in the past, go for it.
I hope people want to play Rez in their X360....
I'm not living in no past at all. This site hardly talks about the new stuff, it's more about SEGA's past. What threads are the most talked about, SEGA old games like Shenmue or SEGA's latest Mobile game ?. When was the last time people were really,really looking forward to be big SEGA title ? Its hardly happens these days and every time there's a talk of a secret game it always ends up in a disappointment or its some bloody mobile game
If you're a console or PC Gamer there's no much coming from SEGA these days other than FM and Total War and that's about it and all we can look forward too. It's not good enough for a corp that is SEGA. SEGA should be doing and being far more active with dual console and PC developments. Getting us all talking about and looking forward to this or that SEGA title.
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My issues are is how I miss the SEGA Japan that was a powerhouse onthe consoels too (while also good on the PC) and where I would be counting down the weeks till the likes of Orta, JSR, VF , REZ, Space Channel 5 would hit the shops . I want the SEGA that be making a big action game for the consoles (say like Binary Domain II) , that is making Sonic for the consoles , that is making PSO for the consoles and showing off some major tech and being a big player on the consoles and PC - Not a SEGA that is reduced to quick, easy bloody mobile games .
Couldn't agree more. Sadly, the same can be said about most big Japanese developers at this point (Konami, Capcom, Tecmo, etc...).
The big games that SEGA of Japan does develop don't seem to be getting localized with much frequency either. I'm glad they're finally bringing out Yakuza 5 though, and that they've taken a chance on Hatsune Miku and Dengeki Bunko.
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I'm not living in no past at all. This site hardly talks about the new stuff, it's more about SEGA's past. What threads are the most talked about, SEGA old games like Shenmue or SEGA's latest Mobile game ?. When was the last time people were really,really looking forward to be big SEGA title ? Its hardly happens these days and every time there's a talk of a secret game it always ends up in a disappointment or its some bloody mobile game
If you're a console or PC Gamer there's no much coming from SEGA these days other than FM and Total War and that's about it and all we can look forward too. It's not good enough for a corp that is SEGA. SEGA should be doing and being far more active with dual console and PC developments. Getting us all talking about and looking forward to this or that SEGA title.
I think most people here would agree with you even though we're trying to stay positive about the situation. SoJ's internal dev studios' output has all but shriveled up. Now it's mobile games, atlus games, and if we're lucky the occasional hatsune miku game. With Yakuza Zero underperforming, I don't even know how many more of those they'll try and make.
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Couldn't agree more. Sadly, the same can be said about most big Japanese developers at this point
Capcom there's still a bit of hope and one would take it that not only are they working on Deep Down and SF V but also the other teasm are hard at work for DMC and RE for the next gen . Konami seem to have totally lost it, much like SEGA Japan, Treasure and a host of other one top Japanese developers - thanks the mobile curse in Japan .
With Yakuza Zero underperforming, I don't even know how many more of those they'll try and make
It sold poor- But that was always going to happen sadly with no breaks for the team and a yearly development cycle.
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Let me revise the Capcom output for this years:
-Deep Down-F2P PS4 "temporary" exclusive game
-Resident Evil Revelations 2-Download digital title in chapters/Full game with all the chapters low to mid budget
-Street Fighter V-PS4 temporary console exclusive/another colaboration with Dimps.
-10 Online Games in development a.k.a. F2P MMO's/MOBA's
-DMC and RE projects but if even SFV is an exclusive....don't expect too much multiplat from that.
Yeah, Capcom still in but they receive "help" from another companies...
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That's still better than what SEGA Japan will be offering most prob and even a spinoff like RE Revelations sells almost as well as Yakuza 0 in Japan and will also have the sales in the west to make it up to over a million sales most prob.
As a gamer I find the likes of RE 7, DMC 6, Deep Down, SF V more tempting that what SEGA Japan got to offer this year and I hate to say it but even Final Fantasy XV shows huge promise too
Yeah, Capcom still in but they receive "help" from another companies..
Don't Sega also get help with Yakuza ? And when you have IP that sells in the millions you're going to get offers from corps just like with SONY and FromSoftware.
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Wait and see...
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Are any of the big name Capcom games coming out this year?
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Are any of the big name Capcom games coming out this year?
Well since the RE Team have been working on part 7 since before 6 even made it out and its been 3 years since RE6 - I would say the game should be ready to be brought out late this year.
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Wait and see...
For what? More Sega games?
At the moment I'm just waiting for Yakuza 5 to get an English release, and hoping for VF6. That's realistically as much as I can really ask for.
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Is it just me or has SEGA been silent as fuck about Yakuza 5? They wonder why the games don't do well...
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I think they announced Yakuza 5 wasn't coming until the fall, so I don't really see much fuss being made until E3.
Not that SEGA really does much to market their non-Alien games anyway.
The new Layton game being a mobile game is just as depressing.
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Well since the RE Team have been working on part 7 since before 6 even made it out and its been 3 years since RE6 - I would say the game should be ready to be brought out late this year.
RE games are always announced way ahead.
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Capcom has 10 fucking free-to-play titles? God damn, one of the issues with Japanese online games is the lack of support and spreading your teams over ten titles basically means lots of them will die. I really don't see a Capcom made MOBA title doing very well with all the new western ones already launched and launching soon.
We have League of Legends, DOTA 2, Smite, Heroes of Newerth, Infinite Crisis, Awesomenauts (2D), Heroes of the Storm and a bunch of other ones. The fact that Capcom thinks they can just go into the genre... is a bit weird. I think even SEGA already published a free-to-play MOBA title in Japan that didn't take off.
It requires a lot of updating and listening to community feedback. I think Capcom will find more success with a free-to-play hunting and crafting game with nice graphics... instead of a competitive MOBA game.
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^Alot of these are mobile titles. The big japanese publishers are launching dozens of games at once, with a few surviving and becoming popular.
And I think Sega's localizations of Chaos Heroes Online in Japan worked decently, it hasn't shut down, announcements etc.
https://gw.sega.jp/gw/ (https://gw.sega.jp/gw/)
The link above links to the "SEGA ID" page, which links to the non-mobile online games, Sega is operating.
For Arcade it is currently 15 titles, tough a number of them stopped receiving updates.
For handheld/console/pc it is only about 3 at most...I expect that number to shift going forward, to PC/console.
In Japan at least, I'd say does well in supporting their online, otherwise they woudn't be successfull in the arcade, and of course with PSO2.
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Capcom has 10 fucking free-to-play titles? God damn, one of the issues with Japanese online games is the lack of support and spreading your teams
Sigh ... Out of the Monter Hunter IV profits . Capcom have built and sept up a brand new Mobile HQ in Oska to handle its Mobile/digital games.
http://nintendoeverything.com/capcom-using-monster-hunter-4-profits-to-open-new-mobile-studio/ (http://nintendoeverything.com/capcom-using-monster-hunter-4-profits-to-open-new-mobile-studio/)
Capcom also have another 2 Development R&D in development one ready to go now and the other in a few years time
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/14/capcom-investing-around-80m-into-two-new-randd-buildings/ (http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/14/capcom-investing-around-80m-into-two-new-randd-buildings/)
So sorry unlike SEGA Japan , Capcom is investing in new talent and building new Studios and taking on new staff .
RE games are always announced way ahead.
Not always . I don't think RE 3 was . We should find out come E3 what ever happens
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Capcom believes that these actions will give the company a competitive advantage due to the more powerful development capabilities in the rapidly growing mobile and PC online games markets
Same deal as Sega really. Except Sega has far more exprience with mobile and online games, since their conception pretty much.
Sega has lots of people hiring for it's Online R&D and Mobile department too.
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Same deal as Sega really. Except Sega has far more exprience with mobile and online games, since their conception pretty much.
Sega has lots of people hiring for it's Online R&D and Mobile department too.
Capcom have been on the Mobile since 2002 in a big way. And SEGA Japan isn't doing the same isn't. Capcom isn't just adding to its mobile/digital staff but also 2 new R&D for its console sections . SEGA Japan is if anything backing away from the console side of things sadly
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I don't want to say what it is with the better input and luck but I don't know if it's a good idea to promote your apps and online games in Korea and China first just like Capcom.
Also, Sega already invested in 3 studios in the West and collaborate with some on the big indie ones in Japan like Aiming or Pokelabo.
Heck, they could even buy more stuff this year.
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Also, Sega already invested in 3 studios in the West and collaborate with some on the big indie ones in Japan like Aiming or Pokelabo
Yeah for mobile . Where was the last time SEGA Japan expanding its console lines and staff ?
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Where does it state on hiring more for console development? Like all the big japanese companies, it states PC Online and Mobile as growth areas.
And really, Sega is ahead of the curve for mobile in comparision to Capcom. Monkey Ball was the no.1 app in 08 when the iPhone came out, Capcom didn't have similar success like that, ever.
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And really, Sega is ahead of the curve for mobile in comparision to Capcom. Monkey Ball was the no.1 app in 08 when the iPhone came out, Capcom didn't have similar success like that, ever.
Think like that EA is way ahead of either , so lets go there even Square sell more on the Mobile than SEGA Japan does and lets not forget Capcom as the sales monster than is Monster Hunter
Where does it state on hiring more for console development? Like all the big japanese companies, it states PC Online and Mobile as growth areas
After taking so much flag for Lost Planet 3 - I believe the produce said Capcom Japan was taking on more Staff internally so they wouldn't have to outsorce console projects. I could be wrong though and I guess we'll find out come E3 just what shape Capcom is in for the next gen
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SEGA isn't investing in new talent and companies? >....>
http://segabits.com/blog/2015/02/18/sega-networks-is-investing-in-western-mobile-developers/
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Think like that EA is way ahead of either , so lets go there even Square sell more on the Mobile than SEGA Japan does and lets not forget Capcom as the sales monster than is Monster Hunter
Well Monster Hunter is handheld. Not sure where the biggest mobile players are in Japan, but I think Square Enix and Sega Japan are about equal. However it is clear, that Capcom has failed in the mobile market.
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and they have also failed to penetrate the PC market compared to the success SEGA has had since forever.
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SEGA isn't investing in new talent and companies? >....>
http://segabits.com/blog/2015/02/18/sega-networks-is-investing-in-western-mobile-developers/
Yeah for mobile . Where was the last time SEGA Japan expanding its console lines and staff ?
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So, why hasn't SEGA invested in a place where they are losing money and no one buys their games? I wonder...
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So, why hasn't SEGA invested in a place where they are losing money and no one buys their games? I wonder...
And whose fault is it that they can't make a profit making console titles?
It's their own fault that they didn't properly market their games or accurately gauge interest. We want them to be smart and survive in the industry that they're famous for, not to adapt to the point of becoming an irrelevant mobile developer. Games like Binary Domain, while competent, didn't have the style or substance that Sega is ultimately known for. Never mind that it was incredibly complacent from a gameplay point of view. They need games that are smartly made, gameplay driven, and that won't empty their coffers in the way that BD, Sonic Generations, and Yakuza apparently did. Less is more these days. Episodic releases like Revelations 2 or simpler titles like toad's treasure tracker (made obviously with the same assets as sm3dw but in smart and compelling new ways) would be MUCH preferable to mobile titles.
It's just important not to lose sight of what made this company great in the first place imo.
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And whose fault is it that they can't make a profit making console titles?
It's their own fault that they didn't properly market their games or accurately gauge interest. We want them to be smart and survive in the industry that they're famous for, not to adapt to the point of becoming an irrelevant mobile developer. Games like Binary Domain, while competent, didn't have the style or substance that Sega is ultimately known for. Never mind that it was incredibly complacent from a gameplay point of view. They need games that are smartly made, gameplay driven, and that won't empty their coffers in the way that BD, Sonic Generations, and Yakuza apparently do.
Fucking THANK YOU.
I thought I was the only person in the world who didn't 'get' Binary Domain. I found it incredibly dull and uninspired.
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Well Monster Hunter is handheld. Not sure where the biggest mobile players are in Japan, but I think Square Enix and Sega Japan are about equal. However it is clear, that Capcom has failed in the mobile market.
? Capcom profits for the other year were saved for by its Mobile arm and Square sells better than SEGA Japan and EA leaves the likes of SEGA Mobile divsion standing in terms of sales . Isn't Konami digital also bigger than SEGA Japan mobile sales ?
We want them to be smart and survive in the industry that they're famous for, not to adapt to the point of becoming an irrelevant mobile developer.
Spot on , the way SEGA is going they're just be another GameArts and the like.
They need games that are smartly made, gameplay driven, and that won't empty their coffers in the way that BD,
They need to please gamers and for Sammy to have faith in their teams and allow them to make big console productions , not every game will be a hit . It so sad to SEGA that did so much to pioneer On-Line gaming for console now having hardly anything to offer the console gamer for an On-line title . Where are the likes of a home version of Border Break or PSO II for the consoles for starters.
So, why hasn't SEGA invested in a place where they are losing money and no one buys their games? I wonder.
Well try giving gamers games worth buying might help and not limiting them to Japan or just one system might help too
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So, why hasn't SEGA invested in a place where they are losing money and no one buys their games? I wonder...
George I think you're overlooking the fact they put down $100 million to purchase Atlus which was a predominately console developer.
And whose fault is it that they can't make a profit making console titles?
It's their own fault that they didn't properly market their games or accurately gauge interest. We want them to be smart and survive in the industry that they're famous for, not to adapt to the point of becoming an irrelevant mobile developer. Games like Binary Domain, while competent, didn't have the style or substance that Sega is ultimately known for. Never mind that it was incredibly complacent from a gameplay point of view. They need games that are smartly made, gameplay driven, and that won't empty their coffers in the way that BD, Sonic Generations, and Yakuza apparently did. Less is more these days. Episodic releases like Revelations 2 or simpler titles like toad's treasure tracker (made obviously with the same assets as sm3dw but in smart and compelling new ways) would be MUCH preferable to mobile titles.
You are acting like they are only developing mobile titles when they still have a presence on consoles and a strong presence on PC.
Whilst it's true that they have to blame themselves on certain games, I think looking at the industry itself, this isn't an issue effecting SEGA alone but every major publisher. Doubling down on what sells and still produce the odd high budget title here and there.
Fucking THANK YOU.
I thought I was the only person in the world who didn't 'get' Binary Domain. I found it incredibly dull and uninspired.
Binary Domain certainly has many detractors, but sometimes a game is just not for you.
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Also a lot of people are really not looking that all 3rd party Japanese games have scaled back their console studios due to trends in Japan leading to mobile games and when I say mobile I also include PSP, DS and 3DS.
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Well try giving gamers games worth buying might help and not limiting them to Japan or just one system might help too
As much as I lament Sega dialling down their console release schedule, we can hardly fault Sega for Quality last generation.
Valkyria Chronicles
Yakuza
Virtua Fighter
Bayonetta
Vanquish
All games that were incredible, but still failed to sell. It's a very tough market and ultimately I can see why they would focus on mobile. It makes so much sense. It just means I don't want to play 99% of their release lineup anymore. C'est la vie.
Binary Domain certainly has many detractors, but sometimes a game is just not for you.
Oh I don't mean to open another can of worms, I've come to terms with the fact I don't like the game and everyone else here does. Just pointing out to Radrappy he's not alone in not being a fan.
I'm trying to think of a game I adore that you hated or were indifferent to as another example but can't think of one.
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You are acting like they are only developing mobile titles when they still have a presence on consoles and a strong presence on PC.
More than anything I'm responding to their lack of presence as a creative force in general. When was the last time anyone in the past decade looked to Sega as a good example of anything? They used to be a leader in terms of imagination and some of the best developers in the world. What presence they currently have could hardly even be called theirs as credit goes to CA and Atlus themselves.
When people think sega in 2015, they think old hat. The last honest to god Sega developed game anyone remembers being any good was Valkyria Chronicles in 2008. How sad is that?
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The thread for all your answers: http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3445.0 (http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3445.0)
I will put more in May but I think I explain why is now redundant to talk about Sega in consoles.
Yes, there is a legacy that Sega made 20 years ago but let's put things clear: besides all the good and the bads, there is so much bias toward Sega or anything related in the console side of the business. Did you think pleasing the false fanbase right there is gonna work? Hell, no.
Even with releasing AM2 games, Dreamcast games, Saturn games, Arcade games in the online stores there is no response whatsoever.
Neither Sega, Capcom or any Jp dev is gonna try that anymore.
And when you get what you want, you complain for more or something irrelevant that everybody thinks the same for some stupid reason that the Internet doesn't seem to find an answer and ultimately hurt the sales and disregard that game as a sale in season time.
If you gonna disregard Sega Networks and compairing with another company, good luck. Information and experience told me that Sega Networks is one of the top 5 companies in the mobile business in Japan with Gungho, Colopl, Mixi, and Bamco.
Konami is entering full charge now this year and Capcom is near down of the top of the famous devs. Heck, Monster Hunter Freeedon Unite 2 is having troubles to even make it in the Top 300 grossing app list and that is thier most relevant app.
Square-Enix is the most promising but they didn't have THAT app right now.
I'm sure that that mobile game co-develop by Sega and Bamco is no more than a way to say we can do better to their old friends/rivals.
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Oh I don't mean to open another can of worms, I've come to terms with the fact I don't like the game and everyone else here does. Just pointing out to Radrappy he's not alone in not being a fan.
I'm trying to think of a game I adore that you hated or were indifferent to as another example but can't think of one.
I dunno, other than common thrash like Sonic 06 or Resident Evil 6, I might not like a game (Say Max Payne 3) but I always think it's just not for me.
More than anything I'm responding to their lack of presence as a creative force in general. When was the last time anyone in the past decade looked to Sega as a good example of anything? They used to be a leader in terms of imagination and some of the best developers in the world. What presence they currently have could hardly even be called theirs as credit goes to CA and Atlus themselves.
I fail to say why those developers cannot be credited with SEGA? I'm not in this business of SEGA DNA or SEGA style, I like SEGA for good games and if they stop making games I like I'd just turn my attention to another developer.
And times change, the top tier of the industry isn't exactly pushing gaming forward as a whole, Sony came off the back of a highly successful end to their generation only to be stuck mostly in mediocrity, ditto with Microsoft. We are not in a golden age of gaming. In terms of creative, highly ambitious new IPs, we are relying on indies for that, none of the big players are willing to engage in such risky business anymore.
When people think sega in 2015, they think old hat. The last honest to god Sega developed game anyone remembers being any good was Valkyria Chronicles in 2008. How sad is that?
This is completely your opinion.
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I fail to say why those developers cannot be credited with SEGA? I'm not in this business of SEGA DNA or SEGA style, I like SEGA for good games and if they stop making games I like I'd just turn my attention to another developer.
If you want to credit Sega with those games, that's fine. But most people won't. Good reviews of Alien Isolation and Persona Q never have a single mention of the big S.
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So now since reviewers don't mention SEGA they aren't SEGA games? Is that how it works? So I assume games like Comix Zone, Vectorman and such aren't SEGA games? Is it too hard to just enjoy a good game and not worry about what other people think? SEGA created Alien Isolation in-house with their money, the same way they made Die Hard Arcade.
Who cares what reviewers say?
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When was the last time anyone in the past decade looked to Sega as a good example of anything?
The answer to that would be arcades. They've been pretty untouchable in that realm. How relevant that area is to the gaming landscape is another discussion.
But I understand where you're coming from. The western opinion of Sega seems to be at an all time low.
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If you want to credit Sega with those games, that's fine. But most people won't. Good reviews of Alien Isolation and Persona Q never have a single mention of the big S.
So I suppose the likes of Smash Bros 4 (Namco/Sora LTD) Fire Emblem Awakening (Intelligent System) Kirby and the Rainbow Curse (Hal Laboratory) and Pokemon Omega (GameFreak) are all Nintendo titles because people will incorrectly state them as inhouse developed titles when the respective developers are independent of the publisher?
And yet because a reviewer is incorrect or leaves out any mention of SEGA for a game developed by an inhouse studio, a subsidiary that is wholly owned by the publisher, it somehow is disqualified in being a product by SEGA? I don't see how this is a reasonable way to judge if a product is by SEGA or not.
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In an era where arcades are dwindling, Sega has been the only company that still made 2 high end games for the arcade the last year, it is pretty cool. I hope it is an example for their PC Online focus - and while their at it, bring it to console, thats something that TA would want.
The World of Three Kingdoms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6TJM5Z1Bn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6TJM5Z1Bn8)
Wonderland Wars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8jbIt7AeTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8jbIt7AeTM)
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So I suppose the likes of Smash Bros 4 (Namco/Sora LTD) Fire Emblem Awakening (Intelligent System) Kirby and the Rainbow Curse (Hal Laboratory) and Pokemon Omega (GameFreak) are all Nintendo titles because people will incorrectly state them as inhouse developed titles when the respective developers are independent of the publisher?
And yet because a reviewer is incorrect or leaves out any mention of SEGA for a game developed by an inhouse studio, a subsidiary that is wholly owned by the publisher, it somehow is disqualified in being a product by SEGA? I don't see how this is a reasonable way to judge if a product is by SEGA or not.
because Hal Laboratories, Gamefreak, and IS have been strong contributors to Nintendo's core brands for decades. They are baked into the identity of Nintendo and have been part of franchises that gamers strongly connect with. Not only that but Nintendo has nurtured and capitalized on said IPs(with things like smashbrothers and amiibo), breeding a creative cohesion and brand recognition that is unrivaled. One simply cannot imagine Kirby, Fire Emblem, or Pokemon without Nintendo's logo on the cover. CA, Atlus, and even Platinum to an extent have had strong identities and brands on their own, divorced from Sega. The result is that gamers, myself included, have a hard time crediting Sega with any of their accomplishments.
It's that simple.
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If Atlus release a Sega IP's title, you will be pleased?
The fact that Nintendo almost give an end to the Fire Emblem and Sakurai own games (Kid Icarus), it always remember me how Nintendo treat to their second party devs. "As the schedule with no promo behind it ".
If we talk about Gamefreak, see what happen with their next game..Tembo.
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because Hal Laboratories, Gamefreak, and IS have been strong contributors to Nintendo's core brands for decades. They are baked into the identity of Nintendo and have been part of franchises that gamers strongly connect with. Not only that but Nintendo has nurtured and capitalized on said IPs(with things like smashbrothers and amiibo), breeding a creative cohesion and brand recognition that is unrivaled. One simply cannot imagine Kirby, Fire Emblem, or Pokemon without Nintendo's logo on the cover. CA, Atlus, and even Platinum to an extent have had strong identities and brands on their own, divorced from Sega. The result is that gamers, myself included, have a hard time crediting Sega with any of their accomplishments.
It's that simple.
It's nice that you consider how well a series mashes together with a publishers legacy titles deems to you what is or is not a title from a respective publisher. But as I said I don't get in this business of what is SEGA DNA or what constitutes as the SEGA style, I go by what is the most correct information and that these are SEGA brands, wholly owned by the publisher.
But speaking of the various developers, without SEGA Atlus might have been exposed to a worse fate by being ripped apart by a hedge fund and The Creative Assembly was lucky enough to be able to produce a AAA title without the worry of needing to add needless guns or deviate from their original vision, despite EA and Bethesda recently gimping their own survival horror games. Whilst the jury is still out on Atlus, SEGA are to be credited with expanding The Creative Assembly and Sports Interactive with their current size and successes.
So SEGA has captilised on these IPs (Each series is bigger than they've ever been) they're part of the collective of PC developers SEGA owns (And gives SEGA presence in the minds of many PC gamers, a brand identity on it's own to many) they've invested in them and their infrastructure and finally being able to develop the games they want.
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The answer to that would be arcades. They've been pretty untouchable in that realm. How relevant that area is to the gaming landscape is another discussion.
But I understand where you're coming from. The western opinion of Sega seems to be at an all time low.
I missed this but I think you'd find console gamers are the ones with the most negative opinion of SEGA. Mobile gamers and PC gamers love what SEGA's become and for obvious reasons. I recall many being jubilant over SEGA purchasing Relic over at NeoGAF. A stark contrast to them purchasing Atlus, with many bemoaning the fact that Sony or Nintendo didn't purchase them instead.
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The best moves SEGA has down is picking up Relic, Creative Assembly and Sports Interactive. If you disagree then you wouldn't be a good CEO for a company. In the end of the day it matters where the money is at and Capcom and other Japanese publishers have tried relaunching their brands and even when they are received well fans ignore them and continue to moan on the internet.
Capcom released Strider on digital services. The game came out over a year ago and on PC it only has 54,737 owners. I assume its not much different on consoles. Capcom even put their big IPs to rest.
Konami has done the same for their franchises (outside of MGS). The last good Contra game? Hard Corps that didn't even use the name or artstyle of the franchise? Didn't do so hot. Is it because they stopped using the brand name Contra? Nope. Contra 4 on DS was a failure too. Castlevania was changed due to the bad sales of their 2D titles.
Namco has some series still hanging on their last leg like Tekken, but are now mostly known for publishing anime license games like One Piece, Naruto and the DBZ games.
Sounds like this issue you have with SEGA is not a issue with SEGA per say, but the shift in the gaming market. You are mad that what was popular in the 90s/early 2000s is out of style.
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Is it just me or has SEGA been silent as fuck about Yakuza 5? They wonder why the games don't do well...
Well outside of Sony's upcoming interview with the Producers (including user submitted questions via twitter)? not much
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Sounds like this issue you have with SEGA is not a issue with SEGA per say, but the shift in the gaming market. You are mad that what was popular in the 90s/early 2000s is out of style.
I won't deny that I do miss the late 90's early 2000's tastes/sensibilities greatly. Nostalgia is definitely a powerful force. Yet I won't admit either that Sega are remotely as influential or energetic as they were back then as they are today either. I would hope that just because times have changed, Sega won't have to give up what makes them. . .well, them.
I would be more than eager to welcome CA and Atlus into the Sega family if Sega were still making their own wonderful games at the same time. It seems like however that apart from the odd Sonic/Yakuza they're more than happy not to, which is a shame.
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Well outside of Sony's upcoming interview with the Producers (including user submitted questions via twitter)? not much
Asked Sam Mullen (SEGA of America Localization Producer) about it and he said his team isn't working on it. So I assume another localization producer at SEGA is heading it up or its being worked on by Sony.
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Here we go again with the whole 'If it aint Asia it aint SEGA' nonsense. It's such a dumb argument for SEGA of all developers. A tonne of their greats weren't even developed in Japan including Sonic 2... They aren't even originally a Japanese company and they found their greatest success in home consoles in Europe and basically all thanks to Sega of America in the 90's. SEGA has always been a multicultural company right from the start.
The Creative Assembly only released 3 TW games and 2 expansion packs before SEGA acquired them, since then they've released over 10 stand alone and a lot of expansions. They've been with SEGA for over a decade. They're most 'SEGA' than GameFreak is Nintendo...
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Here we go again with the whole 'If it aint Asia it aint SEGA' nonsense. It's such a dumb argument for SEGA of all developers. A tonne of their greats weren't even developed in Japan including Sonic 2... They aren't even originally a Japanese company and they found their greatest success in home consoles in Europe and basically all thanks to Sega of America in the 90's. SEGA has always been a multicultural company right from the start.
The Creative Assembly only released 3 TW games and 2 expansion packs before SEGA acquired them, since then they've released over 10 stand alone and a lot of expansions. They've been with SEGA for over a decade. They're most 'SEGA' than GameFreak is Nintendo...
Geography has nothing to do with this; nor have I ever made such a claim. The Pokemon/Gamefreak comparison is not appropriate given that Pokemon has never existed without Nintendo. Total War has existed without Sega, and has flourished without Sega.
The ridiculous thing about this is that I have no personal beef with Atlus or CA. Certainly not. But I won't lie and say it doesn't grind my gears when people say "Sega's doing just fine look :Total war and Atlus!"
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The thing is Total War has nothing to do with why SEGA Japan (and every Japanese publisher) is scaling back production on console. Its the market. Japanese people are moving away from home consoles.
Total War is a investment and so is Relic from the company. SEGA has enough money to make any game they want to make, but as a business they have to make games that viable and will return profits.
SEGA is mismanaged and they have terrible advertising. Sure. But less console titles is the trend in Japan, the only publishers still sticking hard with console are the few Japanese Sony in-house devs and Nintendo... because they are selling you consoles. Even Atlus has a majority of its titles on handheld instead of consoles.
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Geography has nothing to do with this; nor have I ever made such a claim. The Pokemon/Gamefreak comparison is not appropriate given that Pokemon has never existed without Nintendo. Total War has existed without Sega, and has flourished without Sega.
The ridiculous thing about this is that I have no personal beef with Atlus or CA. Certainly not. But I won't lie and say it doesn't grind my gears when people say "Sega's doing just fine look :Total war and Atlus!"
But I think those ARE good indications of SEGA doing fine, having the money to buy those companies, plus they have taken on a LOT of staff and increased the size of CA. Alien Isolation for example, was created by a brand new team, all brought in by SEGA post buyout. So what would make them SEGA? If they just had a different name? The whole argument of who is and who isn't SEGA becomes really blurry as soon as you scratch the surface.
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So, exactly what you want from them: sequels from 10+ year old games exactly like they were back in the day or new IP's that people ultimately wouldn't care about?
Rereleasing their legacy even if people pretend to want that and buy it in a sale?
Well, Capcom could tell us what happen when you please your fanbase too much...they trend to hate us even if we release already more than 70+ Megaman games in 7 long series and we cancel 3 of them that only 2 are like niche stuff.
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Honestly, SEGA needs to start looking at how companies like Atlus, CD Projekt, and Paradox Interactive pick and advertise games. Not only them but also the way Nintendo is reaching fans with Nintendo Direct. I know that SEGA Japan does stream events per game (Yakuza stream, Phantasy Star stream). I think SEGA needs a clear picture day one on what games will come over and organize a pre-made stream (like Nintendo) where they announce a bulk of their games.
You know if SEGA teases a new hedgehog game all the Nintendo/non-SEGA fans will flock up on the stream just to catch a glimpse of Tails butthole. Alien fans will come to see if the new game will be shit and Total War fans will join to see what new era they will tackle.
The thing is, they have a ton of fans that are spread and don't keep up with SEGA. If they could just announce all that stuff in one stream and have quality games, that would help SEGA's brand name more than anything else and give you more eyes on your games than being buried in some Kotaku article (that will most likely bash Sonic games anyway).
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I agree, maybe the move could allow to work closer with Atlus and see how it's done? I mean, they can't just soley rely on word of mouth/the fandom movements like with what happened with the VC port and Yakuza 5 response. Couldn't they at least modify that UK video series they have for a more worldwide reach?
Asked Sam Mullen (SEGA of America Localization Producer) about it and he said his team isn't working on it. So I assume another localization producer at SEGA is heading it up or its being worked on by Sony.
Well now I'm a little more curious, isn't Sam leaving once the office relocates to Southern California? Is his team working on the 3DS Miku game or Dengeki Bunko? Though speaking of the latter, I'm waiting for a release date or at least a pre-order page outside of Amazon.
On a personal note with Yakuza 5, if Sony is incharge, I wonder who will be doing the localization work: inhouse or just fund the work done by one of the usual companies that SEGA uses (Pole to Win, Inbound)
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They aren't even originally a Japanese company and they found their greatest success in home consoles in Europe and basically all thanks to Sega of America in the 90'
True but lets face it . SEGA Japan built and made the Hardware and really made SEGA best games for it's systems and more people became SEGA fans to their consoles and Arcadeoutput, more than their PC or these days mobil games I put to you. Lets face it the only reason you're a fan on SEGA on the mobiles is becasue its the one aera SEGA is doing well and its cheap . If you had a XBox One or PS4 I'm sure you would be hoping for better from SEGA Japan .
Valkyria ChroniclesYakuza
Virtua Fighter
Bayonetta
Vanquish
All games that were incredible
Well you see you're already started to lists games which weren't even developed by SEGA and its not like Bay didn't sell that bad . I'll take issues wih Vanquish being a good game too and given it had zero PR push by SEGA no online modes whats so ever - it was always going to have a hard time to sell . VF is too hardware for the masses really , Yakuza is held back but its focus on Japan and its being a single platform game and Valkyrie was a game that had a few issues - It was a game that even in Japan is a niche game , only single platform and came very early into the PS3 life when it was selling not the best - So even in Japan it was going to have a hard time and even the West most people didn't even know the game was out SEGA PR push was so rubbish - That is one game like Yakuza , that should have been multi platform. SEGA isn't making games that it's fans are really looking forward too, games where even we hear are counting down the days till it hits the streets like we used too . I couldn't wait for PSO II and even now SEGA pisses off its own fans by keeping it non console and no hope of us playing it in the west .I miss the days of when SEGA was a leader in the tech and just was out in front in the creative terms. But I think those ARE good indications of SEGA doing fine, having the money to buy those companies, plus they have taken on a LOT of staff and increased the size of CA.
SEGA has cut the number of its In-House staff in real terms has't it . Its true to say it added to the console line of CA but CA always had a console line and that was divsion that used to make their sports games for the likes of EA on the consoles .I'm not knocking CA they're a great team and show Japan that if you make a good game, with great tech for the PC and consoles you can get over a million sales. Would you be so for Alien Iso if was mobile and iPad only I very much doubt it , But that seems to be the direction SEGA Japan is going .
Even with releasing AM2 games, Dreamcast games, Saturn games, Arcade games in the online stores there is no response whatsoever
What do you mean ?
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I'm not trying to convice everybody but if Sega is participating in various premium conferences about the mobile business all around the world, maybe they less powerful for doing that, I think? : https://twitter.com/yutaiguchiblog/status/585628695613833217?s=09
At least you can depend from another companies for your next gen experience with superior graphics and gameplay. Sure they didn't fuck up nothing of that last year.
What a great time this year with all this console exclusives like Halo......
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At least you can depend from another companies for your next gen experience with superior graphics and gameplay.
I want it to be SEGA Japan . The likes of EA, Ubi and hell even Square have strong mobile arms and yet also have a big focus on the consoles too. Why can't SEGA Japan . This is just a short term messsure by Sammy and in the end will kill the console side of SEGA Japan .
What a great time this year with all this console exclusives like Halo
And what have got the look forward too on the mobile ? other than yet another candy crush rip off's :P . This year will be a great year for games with Halo V, Rainbow Six, The Divison, Witcher III, Batman , Rise of the Tomb Raider, Fable Ledgends. That's with out any rabbits both SONY and MS pull of the hat for E3
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I'm not trying to convice everybody but if Sega is participating in various premium conferences about the mobile business all around the world, maybe they less powerful for doing that, I thin
You serious .If you want to play the mobile game then there's way more bigger players than SEGA and ask many whats their fav and most played mobile game and no doubt it be the likes of Candy Crush , Tapped out and so on . Even on Mobile SEGA aren't quite as great as you make out
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So I suppose the likes of Smash Bros 4 (Namco/Sora LTD) Fire Emblem Awakening (Intelligent System) Kirby and the Rainbow Curse (Hal Laboratory) and Pokemon Omega (GameFreak) are all Nintendo titles because people will incorrectly state them as inhouse developed titles when the respective developers are independent of the publisher?
And yet because a reviewer is incorrect or leaves out any mention of SEGA for a game developed by an inhouse studio, a subsidiary that is wholly owned by the publisher, it somehow is disqualified in being a product by SEGA? I don't see how this is a reasonable way to judge if a product is by SEGA or not.
So now since reviewers don't mention SEGA they aren't SEGA games? Is that how it works? So I assume games like Comix Zone, Vectorman and such aren't SEGA games? Is it too hard to just enjoy a good game and not worry about what other people think? SEGA created Alien Isolation in-house with their money, the same way they made Die Hard Arcade.
Who cares what reviewers say?
He's talking about perception though, right Radrappy?
He's saying he feels the public at large doesn't associate those titles with Sega so much as Valk, which I think is completely fair.In an era where arcades are dwindling, Sega has been the only company that still made 2 high end games for the arcade the last year, it is pretty cool. I hope it is an example for their PC Online focus - and while their at it, bring it to console, thats something that TA would want.
The World of Three Kingdoms:
Wonderland Wars:
World of Three Kingdoms reminds me a bit of Kingdom Under Fire. Looks fun.
Wonderland Wars has a nice Valk style watercolor effect. Not sure what the gameplay is meant to be.
I miss arcade ports :(
1) If Atlus release a Sega IP's title, you will be pleased?
2) If we talk about Gamefreak, see what happen with their next game..Tembo.
1) If it was good, yes.
2) I don't really feel particuarly excited for that game, but I'll see how it goes. Would be surprised if it's a hit.
I missed this but I think you'd find console gamers are the ones with the most negative opinion of SEGA. Mobile gamers and PC gamers love what SEGA's become and for obvious reasons. I recall many being jubilant over SEGA purchasing Relic over at NeoGAF. A stark contrast to them purchasing Atlus, with many bemoaning the fact that Sony or Nintendo didn't purchase them instead.
I don't know about NeoGAF, but I do remember a lot of CoH fans being paranoid about Sega buying Relic. Their fears were unfounded thankfully ('Oh No! Sega is going to stop us streaming games and running tournaments!').
So, exactly what you want from them: sequels from 10+ year old games exactly like they were back in the day or new IP's that people ultimately wouldn't care about?
Rereleasing their legacy even if people pretend to want that and buy it in a sale?
Well, Capcom could tell us what happen when you please your fanbase too much...they trend to hate us even if we release already more than 70+ Megaman games in 7 long series and we cancel 3 of them that only 2 are like niche stuff.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. I think most of us would love more sequels to our favourite games and Sega legacy titles.
It doesn't mean we are delusional and expect Sega to dump money into these ventures though, when Freemium Apps are making money hand over fist for them. At the same time I won't pretend I'm excited to play Crazy Taxi: City Rush (Hulk Hogan DLC does help though).
Honestly, SEGA needs to start looking at how companies like Atlus, CD Projekt, and Paradox Interactive pick and advertise games. Not only them but also the way Nintendo is reaching fans with Nintendo Direct. I know that SEGA Japan does stream events per game (Yakuza stream, Phantasy Star stream). I think SEGA needs a clear picture day one on what games will come over and organize a pre-made stream (like Nintendo) where they announce a bulk of their games.
You know if SEGA teases a new hedgehog game all the Nintendo/non-SEGA fans will flock up on the stream just to catch a glimpse of Tails butthole. Alien fans will come to see if the new game will be shit and Total War fans will join to see what new era they will tackle.
The thing is, they have a ton of fans that are spread and don't keep up with SEGA. If they could just announce all that stuff in one stream and have quality games, that would help SEGA's brand name more than anything else and give you more eyes on your games than being buried in some Kotaku article (that will most likely bash Sonic games anyway).
Having a big stream would be relatively cheap and more effective than finding out about the game via a hastily translated famitsu article published the month after E3.
Also it would help out things like Relic's 'waypoint' streams by combining them into one big event maybe?
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He's talking about perception though, right Radrappy?
He's saying he feels the public at large doesn't associate those titles with Sega so much as Valk, which I think is completely fair.
I know but I think that's wrong, so what if the public thinks x or y is by SEGA when it's not but z is and it's not regarded a SEGA title? I just don't get in this mess of "Well this was outsourced so not true SEGA DNA" when I don't even believe in that. I take the good and the bad, Sonic Boom is as much as a SEGA game as Alien: Isolation is as much as Thor is which is as much as Bayonetta is.
I don't know about NeoGAF, but I do remember a lot of CoH fans being paranoid about Sega buying Relic. Their fears were unfounded thankfully ('Oh No! Sega is going to stop us streaming games and running tournaments!').
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509652 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509652)
You can see how many people were excited by the news.
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It doesn't mean we are delusional and expect Sega to dump money into these ventures though, when Freemium Apps are making money hand over fist for them. At the same time I won't pretend I'm excited to play Crazy Taxi: City Rush (Hulk Hogan DLC does help though).
The thing is you CAN play the original Crazy Taxi in mobiles,consoles and PC and no one of them made a significant revenue yet although the Steam port was selling good with sales. But those sales was handled by Steam when they want.
As I said, there is no point to please a false fanbase in consoles anymore. Not for Sega or any dev. The reason? People in general don't buy that and "fans" are not that big to make a difference.
Maybe I'm ignorant in something but some people know how the things work this day:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=159234025&postcount=993 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=159234025&postcount=993)
Handling right or bad doesn't matter anymore and that's a thing we may need to swallow unpleasurably.
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I noticed the lack of SEGA mentions in Alien: Isolation reviews, but then again the game was getting high praise and high scores. In the end I think positive perceptions are way more important than drilling it into the readers heads that it's a SEGA game. SEGA is mentioned in the little info box on places like IGN and Gamespot and SEGA is on the box, I think people get that it is a SEGA game.
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I noticed the lack of SEGA mentions in Alien: Isolation reviews, but then again the game was getting high praise and high scores. In the end I think positive perceptions are way more important than drilling it into the readers heads that it's a SEGA game. SEGA is mentioned in the little info box on places like IGN and Gamespot and SEGA is on the box, I think people get that it is a SEGA game.
They don't.
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I noticed the lack of SEGA mentions in Alien: Isolation reviews, but then again the game was getting high praise and high scores. In the end I think positive perceptions are way more important than drilling it into the readers heads that it's a SEGA game. SEGA is mentioned in the little info box on places like IGN and Gamespot and SEGA is on the box, I think people get that it is a SEGA game.
It's one of those things isn't it though Barry? People were quick to dismiss and paint the Aliens: Colonial Marine trainwreck (And rightly so) on SEGA and I do remember a lot of previews for Isolation referring to people being wary of the latest offering from SEGA because of their past with the brand. Bad news or issues about x company always sticks in our mind rather than anything positive they may churn out, which is why we still get referred to the Sonic series not having a good game since 1827.
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I know but I think that's wrong, so what if the public thinks x or y is by SEGA when it's not but z is and it's not regarded a SEGA title? I just don't get in this mess of "Well this was outsourced so not true SEGA DNA" when I don't even believe in that. I take the good and the bad, Sonic Boom is as much as a SEGA game as Alien: Isolation is as much as Thor is which is as much as Bayonetta is.
No arguments from me, I also see them all as Sega games, for better or worse.
Just saying that to the greater public people probably forget Alien is a Sega game whereas they would immediately and inseparably associate something like Valk with Sega.
I'm not trying to get into 'This is Sega, this isn't True Sega' at all.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509652 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509652)
You can see how many people were excited by the news.
I'm not doubting at all that people were excited, I thought it was great news personally. Was more poking fun at the paranoia of some of the fans. I was on the forums telling them that Sega openly sponsors and encourages VF5, so there is no fear regarding streaming/tournaments.
The thing is you CAN play the original Crazy Taxi in mobiles,consoles and PC and no one of them made a significant revenue yet although the Steam port was selling good with sales. But those sales was handled by Steam when they want.
Yes, but as I said it was a shit port. The music was changed, the graphics were poor and in general it was quite bad.
I still bought it on 360 and Steam. Yes, on sale, because it was a bad port but also one of my favourite games.
Handling right or bad doesn't matter anymore and that's a thing we may need to swallow unpleasurably.
We don't need to 'swallow' anything. I just buy games I like and ignore the ones I don't. This does mean the only game I bought not on deep discount in the last two years were Bayonetta 2 and Hotline Miami 2.
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No arguments from me, I also see them all as Sega games, for better or worse.
Just saying that to the greater public people probably forget Alien is a Sega game whereas they would immediately and inseparably associate something like Valk with Sega.
I'm not trying to get into 'This is Sega, this isn't True Sega' at all.
Oh I know they do, but I don't think whatever people see as SEGA or not SEGA games because they are misinformed should dictate what is or is not a SEGA title. I'm glad we are on the same page though.
I'm not doubting at all that people were excited, I thought it was great news personally. Was more poking fun at the paranoia of some of the fans. I was on the forums telling them that Sega openly sponsors and encourages VF5, so there is no fear regarding streaming/tournaments.
They should have been more worried about DLCs!
(Though I think most of it was down to THQ, but it's not like SEGA's current DLC policy is encouraging for any future sequels)
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They should have been more worried about DLCs!
(Though I think most of it was down to THQ, but it's not like SEGA's current DLC policy is encouraging for any future sequels)
Yeah I feel like the DLC plan was in place long before Sega took the reigns. TO be honest, I think CoH2's DLC isn't quite as bad as Rome 2's anyway. Locking out entire factions is horse-shit.
CoH2 does affect multiplayer which is really bad, but I don't feel the game has the chops to be real 'e-sports' worthy anyway. It's good and really fun, but has severe balancing issues and overall I feel it relies a lot on RNG factors. The fact they've released some outrageous DLC only to nerf it a month later has been frustrating for the community though.
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I feel like this discussion has wound down in a relatively civil way which is good. I never meant to get into a dogmatic debate about what IS or ISNT "sega." Nor do I care what the public perception is.
The only perception I care about is my own and it's as follows: I'm unhappy with Sega's current output and don't consider Alien games, Persona games, or TW games to be a valid replacement for the kinds of games I fell in love with this company for in the first place. This isn't just about appreciating high quality games; if that were the case this website would just be called "good-gamesbits." Sega has/had a distinctive flavor. What that means to you is of course, subjective.
Basically, if CA were tasked with making a new altered beast, virtual on, or shining force I would be much, much happier. Or! or! Or heck even a new ip!
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I think we are just feeling the 'Nomad' SEGA effect years later and what your really calling 'lack of perception' = lack of in house Japanese games. But even then, no one purchases said games and SEGA has been badly marketing them. SEGA gave Rhythm Thief a chance (a in-house rhythm game) before the whole Miku thing and it failed. Miku did good. The list goes on. My only point is that if people bought good games, they would continue to do said games.
As for what you think 'SEGA' is, that is subjective. Why is Football Manager less of a SEGA game than, lets say, NFL 2K? SEGA always did western aimed titles.... always. You aren't mad that they are still doing it, your mad that people actually buy those Western titles and ignore Japanese titles.
This is a problem that the whole Japanese industry is facing, including Capcom, Konami and such. They all cut their mainland franchises and are aiming at more 'western style games'. Do you think Dark Souls looks Japanese in style? Dragon's Dogma? Dead Rising? Even Resident Evil turned into more of a 3rd person action shooter co-op game (that was really popular thanks to Gears of War).
Do I wish SEGA could release new Japanese in-house ips in the West that rival Jet Set Radio, Rez, and the such? Of course, but it won't happen because no one purchases said games.
In the end its about sales. Why would Creative Assembly want to work on a Altered Beast game (come on, that game wasn't even good) when it will come with restrictions (gotta be true to the IP) and fan whining? Why not just continue doing their Total War games that sell 2+ million guaranteed or do a new IP? Why does it have to be a old IP? When did SEGA dip into IPs so much?
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I 100% agree with you, George.
The fact that even with a new release of an old IP, fanside consumers still complaining about everything despite quality and effort and that hurts sales very much because we are the demanding side, not the general public.
If it doesn't work, that project fail miserably.
Of course the SoA Marketing was poor, but the Miku games hasn't sold too bad and that's because there is a loyal consumers to buy that stuff and was marketed as a niche title...just like every thing Sega old IP's need to do even freakin Yakuza..
Heck, even we will get the new game before Japan do it!!
Be careful, I was talking about Miku last paragraph xD
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The fact that even with a new release of an old IP, fanside consumers still complaining about everything despite quality and effort and that hurts sales very much because we are the demanding side, not the general public.
Which release of an old IP are you referring to specifically?
Also I don't get this whole 'blame the consumer' thing. If people don't want to buy, they won't buy, I'm not running a charity to support Sega. It's their job to make products consumers want to buy, not a moral obligation of consumers to buy their products.
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Exactly MadeMan, SEGA (and the Japanese industry) IS putting out a product that consumers will buy and those products aren't Japanese style games, but western style games.
Facts are: No in-house Japanese developed game since going 3rd party have sold more than a single entry of Total War, Football Manager or Relic's Dawn of War/Company of Heroes games.
A business replies to consumer demands and there isn't a demand for Japanese in-house developed titles outside of a minor vocal group online and that group is spread (aka: I want Shenmue, I want Streets of Rage, I want Jet Set Radio 3).
I agree 100%, consumers aren't here for 'charity' and a company like here isn't here to please 20,000 people while losing money. Just how it goes.
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I was talking specifically about Nimurgen talking about how
fanside consumers still complaining about everything despite quality and effort and that hurts sales very much because we are the demanding side
When sometimes it's just not a very good product. Of course people will complain if they don't like it.
I'm not even sure what this thread is discussing anymore to be honest.
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Well, putting and reversing to the thread title, if PSO2 was released, despite that there is a "demand" for that game, people who played PSO and who like to compare everything as a whole matter will be talking shit and disregard everything for F2P game not for them. Despite that the game is having a really good time, appreciation and more right now in Japan and by 700+ people including me who play the game with the english patch.
That how it goes. I don't know if it is a good idea to release a 100% direct sequel to a 10+ year old game but fan of that thing always have a voice in the internet and ruin everything.
See what happened with the "sucess" of Megaman 9 and later the "fall" of Megaman 10.
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Facts are: No in-house Japanese developed game since going 3rd party have sold more than a single entry of Total War, Football Manager or Relic's Dawn of War/Company of Heroes games.
Some of the Sonic Games , but that's it . I've been saying for years SEGA Japan needed to get more IP than can work and sell worldwide
PSO and who like to compare everything as a whole matter will be talking shit and disregard everything for F2P game not for them.
I hate F2P ..1) becasue nothing is free and in end you could pay far more to play a game than what it would cost you at normal retail price. 2) what happens when the likes of SEGA pull the plug if the game bombs - You left with a game you might love but can't play . Some might have loved Demon Tribe but you can't play it at all , thanks to SEGA dropping the title .
Exactly MadeMan, SEGA (and the Japanese industry) IS putting out a product that consumers will buy and those products aren't Japanese style games, but western style games.
Yes and this is somthing SEGA used to be quite good at , more so in the Arcades . The likes of SEGA Rally, Daytona, OutRun , Streets of Rage , Mickey Mouse and so on were all made with massive western infulances or with the west in mind. In fact with the Mega Drive doing so poor in Japan and so well in the USA/Europe most of SOJ output for the machine was made with an eye to the West . Shame SOJ can't go back to those sort of days ....
No interest in SEGA on the mobile , but I would love to see a SEGA Japan working on a next gen Shinobi Action game, a Huge Sonic game (even if its just reuses the best stages from Sonic Adv , Sonic Adv II and Unleashed, Colors with just a kick ass engine , a true PSO II for the consoles with improved engine , Border Break with new maps and a consumer mode, Binary Domain II this time with more big boss battles and a full 4 player on-line co-op modes and mabe even a high end remake of Skies using a new Canvas II engine all for the XBox 1,PS4 and PC
To me that would start to please a lot of the old SEGA fans, wouldn'tcost the earth and one would like to imagine SEGA Japan is more than capable for doing it
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Exactly MadeMan, SEGA (and the Japanese industry) IS putting out a product that consumers will buy and those products aren't Japanese style games, but western style games.
Facts are: No in-house Japanese developed game since going 3rd party have sold more than a single entry of Total War, Football Manager or Relic's Dawn of War/Company of Heroes games.
A business replies to consumer demands and there isn't a demand for Japanese in-house developed titles outside of a minor vocal group online and that group is spread (aka: I want Shenmue, I want Streets of Rage, I want Jet Set Radio 3).
I agree 100%, consumers aren't here for 'charity' and a company like here isn't here to please 20,000 people while losing money. Just how it goes.
Super Monkey Ball and Virtua Fighter both averaged more than the typical Football Manager I would have thought.
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Football Manager rarely goes on sale. Football Manager 2015 has sold over 800k and it hasn't really been cheap. One thing about Football Manager games is that they sell at a good price and retain their value until the next installment with solid sales each year. Very important to its success.
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Football Manager rarely goes on sale. Football Manager 2015 has sold over 800k and it hasn't really been cheap. One thing about Football Manager games is that they sell at a good price and retain their value until the next installment with solid sales each year. Very important to its success.
It's also cheaper to produce I'd imagine (60 - 70 staff in all of Sports Interactive). Monkey Ball is also not as big as it was and it's reflective with no major title released since Banana Splitz.
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George made the claim that no in house Japanese game has sold better than Football Manager, Total War or Company of Heroes. We weren't discussing total revenue. Still, Virtua Fighter 4 sold about 500k in the first few weeks in Japan, when I imagine it was full price. Factor in revenue from the international release, EVO, merchandise and the arcades, and I imagine it scoops up a tidy sum.
It isn't an annual release like Football Manager, nor is it a spreadsheet simulator, so I highly doubt it's been as profitable a series, but I would wager if you compare VF4's revenue with, say, Football Manager 2014, Virtua Fighter made more money.
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Still, Virtua Fighter 4 sold about 500k in the first few weeks in Japan, when I imagine it was full price. Factor in revenue from the international release, EVO, merchandise and the arcades, and I imagine it scoops up a tidy sum
VF IV made SEGA a mint both in the home and Arcade , and games like VT III and VT IV are million sellers . Football Manger makes a lot of money tho , given its just over 100 staff and a year development peroid .
Very important to its success
Do you think the same fabase you be happy if both CA and Sports Inter said thats it we turning our back on High end PC's and working on Mobile for the future - which is in effect what SEGA Japan seems to be doing . I bet the fabase would be pissed at the death of the great corps reduced to mobile imo
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Do you think the same fabase you be happy if both CA and Sports Inter said thats it we turning our back on High end PC's and working on Mobile for the future - which is in effect what SEGA Japan seems to be doing . I bet the fabase would be pissed at the death of the great corps reduced to mobile imo
Check the steam reviews for TWB:K
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Check the steam reviews for TWB:K
It shouldn't have released on Steam at all, CA should have known it would be met with idiots who were expecting it to be a full blown PC TW game when it's a game designed from the ground up with mobility, pick up and play in mind.
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It shouldn't have released on Steam at all, CA should have known it would be met with idiots who were expecting it to be a full blown PC TW game when it's a game designed from the ground up with mobility, pick up and play in mind.
A lot of the reviewers did know what they were getting into, but said it's bad even by Freemium App P2W games.
Regardless, I'm responding to the question about how the fans would react to TW going full mobile, if it's like this, the answer is not well.
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Regardless, I'm responding to the question about how the fans would react to TW going full mobile, if it's like this, the answer is not well.
Spot on and its sad to see SEGA Japan fast going down this route .
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How... what... does a operation in Europe have to do with SOJ? Do we give SOJ credit when a good Total War game comes out? Like Empire that did over 3 million and was super critically acclaimed? Are we really going to pity a game that is like... the 3rd Total War game in the last 12 months?
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Are we really going to pity a game that is like... the 3rd Total War game in the last 12 months?
No I just wonder how the fanbase of both would feel is SEGA Europe had a big change and had the teams working on more mobile. I'm sure wouldn't be happy , even if it made SEGA Europe millions and millions.
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Wow, let's relax there. This game has barely been on open beta and it isn't setting the world on fire. I doubt the mobile version will even make it out, I can see SEGA cancelling the project after all the negative feedback.
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Besides, you can still play all the TW full games and Total War Battle: Shogun (paid app) if you doesn't like that free app/F2P game.
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Wow, let's relax there. This game has barely been on open beta and it isn't setting the world on fire. I doubt the mobile version will even make it out, I can see SEGA cancelling the project after all the negative feedback.
Huh ? I was just saying like and no George its not just this game . Im sure even most of the diehard Football Manager wouldn't want to see their corp go this way , many of them wouldn't lower themself to play FM on the Vita/PSP never mind mobile
Besides, you can still play all the TW full games and Total War Battle: Shogun (paid app) if you doesn't like that free app/F2P game
I'm on about the direction the corp is going. Looking at SOJ output their console line up is lacking and they're more and more the mobile . You really think the fanbase of CA and Sports Int would be happy with their corps going more and more to mobile - even if it made SEGA Europe millions .
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How... what... does a operation in Europe have to do with SOJ? Do we give SOJ credit when a good Total War game comes out? Like Empire that did over 3 million and was super critically acclaimed? Are we really going to pity a game that is like... the 3rd Total War game in the last 12 months?
Look, all I'm saying is that Total War: Empire is the best Sonic game of last generation.
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Huh ? I was just saying like and no George its not just this game . Im sure even most of the diehard Football Manager wouldn't want to see their corp go this way , many of them wouldn't lower themself to play FM on the Vita/PSP never mind mobile
Eh, actually, both Football Manager Handheld and Football Manager Classic 2015 are well received as a companion app for the big release. One is a more simple and cheap game and the other is a game with a full 3D engine and cost more than the other but not so expensive. Also, they are both Top 100 grossing apps in both stores in different countries. Tell me if this is bad.
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I'm on about the direction the corp is going. Looking at SOJ output their console line up is lacking and they're more and more the mobile . You really think the fanbase of CA and Sports Int would be happy with their corps going more and more to mobile - even if it made SEGA Europe millions .
Does SOJ have a fanbase. It's more like the Sonic fanbase (hoping for a good game), the Yakuza fanbase (hoping for localizations), PSO fanbase (either playing the JP version or be frustrated) and also Virtua Fighter fanbase (hoping for a game).
The outcry for going mobile, while abandoning what they love has been minimal, as there hasn't been a move such as Breath of Fire 6.
The matter is that TA, you are the only one expecting big ambitious next gen projects.
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And here is where your argument falls apart. Why are your posts so laughable and biased?
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Ah, so this is opinion, not fact. Got it.
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This thread was going so well until you weaselled your way into it!
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This thread was going so well until you weaselled your way into it!
You're the one lying about his join date.
"February 07, 2010, 04:25:27 am"
Yeah right. Show a receipt or gtfo.
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Did we all join February 7th 2010?
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Comedic genius and all, but there is still some good discussion here so let's stay on topic. (Or leave the topic, whichever you fancy.)
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I've talked about this before on a Jet Set Radio blog I run, but I pretty much share the opinion that Sega has no real business making an in-house Japanese developed game anymore. I've noticed a lot of people are extremely cynical about where Sega is going, but I always make it clear that poor sales= no sequels. There's this one guy in particular that keeps popping up, that I've just taken to ignoring now, that constantly complains Sega isn't doing what he wants, and I keep explaining that it's because of sales, being too risky, and although I've never said it to him, people like him. One particular example I brought up was NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, and how Sega took a huge gamble on making it at all, especially considering how much bigger it was than the first game. The fact it bombed probably affected Sega's desire to try something like that again (which they haven't, except for arguably Sonic games).
I think the sales and reception Sega got from the immediate post-Dreamcast era, that is, 2002 to around 2007, has REALLY soured any luck of more games in that vein. If people had just bought the games they were making instead of bitching about Sonic and the Dreamcast, we might singing a different tune.
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^Agreed. Still I hope they continue to strengthen some brands and release new games. There is still a cult following for many of their classics.
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Oh absolutely. I still hope for the day we get something new from their old IP's, and at the very least, Sega is willing to give Atlus the reigns on their old IP's, so maybe the same could happen to their other recently-acquired studios. But that's a couple years from now when everyone's current projects from before the buyouts are done.
Actually, that reminds me, are Sega putting their name on stuff like Persona and Total War yet? I ask because I looked at the box for Persona Q and nowhere on it did it ever indicate it was a Sega game. The only assumption I can make is that it's because someone else published it but I don't know.
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One particular example I brought up was NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, and how Sega took a huge gamble on making it at all, especially considering how much bigger it was than the first game. The fact it bombed probably affected Sega's desire to try something like that again (which they haven't, except for arguably Sonic games).
To be fair, that was also one of the worst games I've ever played, it was a colossal piece of shit.
Maybe if they made a good game it might have sold a little better.
I do agree that the sales don't warrant a return to a lot of franchises, but there needs to be a certain level of quality as well.
To be honest, I don't expect much from Sega anymore, and haven't for years. Old IPs can be considered dead outside of a port, and a few series from Japan might still be alive (Yakuza, VF etc), but have iffy prospects of being translated (Yakuza, PSO).
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Actually, that reminds me, are Sega putting their name on stuff like Persona and Total War yet? I ask because I looked at the box for Persona Q and nowhere on it did it ever indicate it was a Sega game. The only assumption I can make is that it's because someone else published it but I don't know.
Total War for many years, yes. Atlus no, its different they're their own publishing house under SEGA. You'll see SEGA trademarks on their covers, title screen and credits but that's all.
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Huh, that's really weird. It doesn't really make much sense to me, why own the game when you're not even gonna let people know you own it, but I guess that's just how they're gonna go about it.
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Actually, that reminds me, are Sega putting their name on stuff like Persona and Total War yet? I ask because I looked at the box for Persona Q and nowhere on it did it ever indicate it was a Sega game. The only assumption I can make is that it's because someone else published it but I don't know.
CA never had publishing, but Atlus has.
Also Atlus has an overseas investor firm (Atlus Holding), but Sega doesn't (Sega Holding is for all their western and japanese projects, which inludes Atlus JP).
Atlus USA also has no SEGA trademarks on their stuff: http://www.atlus.com/persona5/home.html
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This is correct. SEGA is allowing Atlus to continue business as usual. Will this continue forever? Who knows, but as of now its business as usual for Atlus (probably as long as they continue to generate income).
I wouldn't mind if some Atlus higher ups have more of a investment into SEGA's publishing side. But who knows if that would be a good idea?
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It's still really weird to me.
Steering the thread back to the needle, PSO2 has never really held much interest to me. The last MMO I ever played was Spiral Knights, and that was mainly because it didn't feel like an MMO. I've never been able to get into them, I think I tried getting into World of Warcraft twice and it just didn't work for me. I think it's kind of sad they won't bring it here, but I'm honestly jaded to the point where I assume any Japanese game isn't coming west until stated otherwise, so.
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I'd imagine Atlus gets more levy at SEGA because they're successful. If SEGA America was a success story you'd probably be hearing rumours of Atlus USA closing down, as it is SEGA probably sees it in their best interest to keep Atlus open or they've spent over $100 million acquiring a lame duck.
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brought up was NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, and how Sega took a huge gamble on making it at all, especially considering how much bigger it was than the first game
[size=0pt]It wasn't a Huge risk at all. Nights: JOD dreams were done on the cheap and a total screw up on SEGA part for various reasons .. Not least there should have never have made a sequel in the 1st place , but to then limit the sequel to the Wii :thinking it would appeal more to children was just a total cock up - The 360 and PS3 would have been better able to realize a dream world and the fans of NiGHTS would now be adults and so would tend to be more owners of 360 or the PS3.[/size] [/color]Binary Domain was far more of a risk, but again that shows up SOJ inept management skills . Launching a major new IP so late in a system life is always a big risk and then to bring it out with next to no major PR push was just a joke
Shame too as BD was the last proper SEGA Japan game I played - where it looked and felt like a old classic SEGA Japan game and imo one of the best 3rd person shooters ever made
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SEGA owning Atlus is like Disney owning Marvel and Lucasfilm. You won't see Disney's name on most Marvel and Lucasfilm products, in fact both don't even tack the Disney logo onto the films.
Also Mademan is a weasel.
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From Playpark forum, a hint that something big is coming :
http://forums.playpark.net/index.php?/topic/254911-something-big-is-coming/page__pid__2921628#entry2921628
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From Playpark forum, a hint that something big is coming :
http://forums.playpark.net/index.php?/topic/254911-something-big-is-coming/page__pid__2921628#entry2921628
Yeah, to the SEA version... *sigh*
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Congrats....
Phantasy Star Online 2 for PS4 tops 500,000 downloads
http://gematsu.com/2017/01/phantasy-star-online-2-ps4-tops-500000-downloads
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This is correct. SEGA is allowing Atlus to continue business as usual. Will this continue forever? Who knows, but as of now its business as usual for Atlus (probably as long as they continue to generate income).
I wouldn't mind if some Atlus higher ups have more of a investment into SEGA's publishing side. But who knows if that would be a good idea?
If Persona 5 exceeds expectations worldwide, I would hope that SEGA sees this as them just letting ATLUS do their thing.
I think ATLUS should have some say inside SEGA. Not a de facto role but an advisory one (suggesting how Yakuza or any small budget game is advertised for example). SEGA on the other hand should provide ATLUS some information on what the other teams are doing to create some healthy competition.
As for PSO2, I have given up on it entirely.