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Title: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 08, 2013, 10:42:35 am
So it's tomorrow (Or today evening for those living in America) where Sony is due to announce the Japanese launch date for the Playstation 4 as well as possibly showcase some of the major titles Japanese developers will announce for the launch of the console.

Those worried that conference will be available only in Japanese, fear not! The conference will appear subtitled (Perhaps hinting at some major international title to be announced?) one title that has been hinted to be showcased has been SEGA's Ryu Ga Gotoku Ishin.

The conference will start on Monday at 7am British Summer Time, 2am for those living in New York and on Sunday evening at 11pm for those living in Georgeflornia.
 
(Countdown clock from everyone else http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=136&iso=20130909T07&msg=Sony+PS3+Japan+Conference )

Get hyped.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Barry the Nomad on September 08, 2013, 01:10:36 pm
9/9 is a day for the Dreamcast, good sir! Nobody should be talking about Playstation on such an important day.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 08, 2013, 01:35:38 pm
My sleeping pattern sucks right now so definitly gonna be watching this.

Maybe we can celebrate some SEGA as well :D
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 08, 2013, 03:26:42 pm
9/9 is a day for the Dreamcast, good sir! Nobody should be talking about Playstation on such an important day.

It's alright, SEGA's going to be there too so that balances things out.

My sleeping pattern sucks right now so definitly gonna be watching this.

Maybe we can celebrate some SEGA as well :D

Do you have Skype? Me, George, Taro, SEGA Uranus etc are going to have a massive chat room chat on it, if not that then maybe Steam chat?
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 08, 2013, 05:18:24 pm
I'd love to be part but i won't have a computer or device tonight to get on a groupchat. Not spending the night at my own house. I'll be hear on the forums through my phone though. :P
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 09, 2013, 01:10:52 am
So far new Playstation Vita model announced that uses micro USB.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 09, 2013, 01:25:46 am
Some MAJOR titles just announced for Playstation Vita.

Soul Sacrifice Delta announced.

So has Phantasy Star Nova, developed by Tri-Ace.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 09, 2013, 01:27:19 am
Super interested in PSNova, especially since it sounds like a single player game with multiplayer on the side. 

Hey, what's the skype room?  I'd love to join.  My username is Radrappy.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 09, 2013, 02:16:28 am
If phantasy star nova is any good i'll finally have to get a vita :). Although at the right price.

I think it's safe to assume that Ishin is gonna be a ps4 title!

Edit: There he is!
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 09, 2013, 03:13:27 am
Man this conference was all kinds of unexpected greatness and weirdness. I've definitly seen some gems in there that i'll keep my eyes on. I am quite surprised at the titles being cross gen platform like Yakuza ishin.

The ps4 push for japan though is amazing. Software seem great potential systemsellers. Presentation was great.

Personally i'm always a lot more interested in what the japanese side of game industry does. It delivered with some anouncements. I can definitly see how this has generally done a good job. The ps4 information was overwhelming which is great. Speaking for myself and judging each bit, i've only been impressed with very few titles. Most did not show gameplay sadly. I'll say apart from the SEGA titles, Deep down has me very interested

Ps vita tv was part of the weirness.. what the hell was that?
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: George on September 09, 2013, 03:46:02 am
Don't all those PSvita games look... the samey. They all want to be Monster Hunter and PSO2 sorta shares the same 'concept'. They are totally different games but so is BF4 and MW2, but don't they just seem similar regardless of being different gaming wise?
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: tarpmortar on September 09, 2013, 04:52:29 am
PSO is generally considered the first Hunting Action game, so PSO certainly isn't copying anybody. Monster Hunter blew the genre up though, made it much larger and added its own flair and I agree, some copycats in show.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Shigs on September 09, 2013, 05:14:24 am
Vita TV is a fucking brilliant move my Sony. for the same price as an X-Box one, I can get a PS4 and a Vita TV. Sony OWNS this next generation.

Bad News, this REALLY makes my Ouya dead and I'm worried more about the WiiU now.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 09, 2013, 06:55:35 am
Sony really owns the next generation. Wow at every single move they've done so far. They're un-fucking-stoppable
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 09, 2013, 07:40:29 am
Deep Down being a Playstation 4 exclusive surprises me, it's a big one that if the game will be half as good as it looks.

Sony really owns the next generation. Wow at every single move they've done so far. They're un-fucking-stoppable

See my namesake?! I told you that the Playstation 4 will arrive with a bang. With both Ryu Ga Gotoku Ishin and Deep Down confirmed as exclusives, Sony has already got two of the big hitters ready for the Playstation 4, if they can continue to add to that, their Japanese launch will be bigger than their Playstation 3 one (Not that that is hard to overcome)
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 09, 2013, 08:48:39 am
They are doing an excellent job. Way way better than their competition. It's not even questionable anymore that sony is gonna dominate this gen. I dunno how to feel about that though :P.

I'm feeling a bit sad for nintendo lol because they are starting to look... "small"? Don't know if that's the right word. Things are looking worse for nintendo with each day.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 09, 2013, 10:48:43 am
What exactly are you guys so impressed by?  Dynasty Warriors 20?  Other than Nova there wasn't a single game that made me raise an eyebrow in the entire conference. 
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 09, 2013, 11:55:18 am
What exactly are you guys so impressed by?  Dynasty Warriors 20?  Other than Nova there wasn't a single game that made me raise an eyebrow in the entire conference. 

New Playstation Vita model, Playstation Vita TV, Deep Down, Soul Sacrifice Delta, Ryu Ga Gotoku: Ishin   and Phantasy Star Nova. This is without addressing titles like Gundam for Playstation 4, Lily Bergamo etc.

When you add it all up, its an extremely well done presentation for what is merely an appetiser for Tokyo Game Show.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 09, 2013, 12:54:41 pm
New Playstation Vita model, Playstation Vita TV, Deep Down, Soul Sacrifice Delta, Ryu Ga Gotoku: Ishin   and Phantasy Star Nova. This is without addressing titles like Gundam for Playstation 4, Lily Bergamo etc.

When you add it all up, its an extremely well done presentation for what is merely an appetiser for Tokyo Game Show.

It's hard to get excited when any hardly gameplay is shown.  The only real new footage showcased was for DeepDown, which for all intents and purposes looks like the poor man's dark souls.  I'm still scratching my head about what Lily Bergamo even is.

I am excited about Nova though, which is definitely something.  I really hope it delivers given how burnt PSO2 left me.  The vita TV is a neat idea as well. 
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: tarpmortar on September 09, 2013, 03:11:55 pm
Lily Bergamo is Grasshopper, that's all I need to know for the game to have my attention going forward. With that said, PC-exclusive gamer and all so what I care about matters little in the console realm because I have 0 intention of backing any consoles with real, hard, US currency.

Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Happy Cat on September 09, 2013, 03:44:40 pm
It was a good conference,glad i stayed up for it. but still feeling the consequences of staying up for it. pretty tired today.. lol
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 09, 2013, 05:15:10 pm
What exactly are you guys so impressed by?  Dynasty Warriors 20?  Other than Nova there wasn't a single game that made me raise an eyebrow in the entire conference. 
Look at it this way. Talking about the vita TV; it had always been that expensive handheld that wasn't worth putting the expenses and resources for what it could deliver because of higher cost compared to like the 3DS. We all know that japan could care less about graphics. This is where the ps vita tv is just putting itself in an amazing spot.

The cheapeast gen HD console with enough to play the type of content japan loves, a pricepoin below the ps3 and yet has so many other functions as well. This balances out everything and has so much potential imo

Games? Yeah not too blown away either but that's personal preferences. I'm not looking at it from that angle. This was generally a great presentation for a new japanese console.

I'm sorry but if nintendo has nothign in their sleeves, the vita tv may have taken the spot from wii u as the console that isn't much about graphics but a good price point for great visuals console. As long the gamepad doesn't convince people, Nintendo will have to rely solely on exclusives...
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 09, 2013, 05:25:46 pm
Look at it this way. Talking about the vita TV; it had always been that expensive handheld that wasn't worth putting the expenses and resources for what it could deliver because of higher cost compared to like the 3DS. We all know that japan could care less about graphics. This is where the ps vita tv is just putting itself in an amazing spot.

The cheapeast gen HD console with enough to play the type of content japan loves, a pricepoin below the ps3 and yet has so many other functions as well. This balances out everything and has so much potential imo

Games? Yeah not too blown away either but that's personal preferences. I'm not looking at it from that angle. This was generally a great presentation for a new japanese console.

I'm sorry but if nintendo has nothign in their sleeves, the vita tv may have taken the spot from wii u as the console that isn't much about graphics but a good price point for great visuals console. As long the gamepad doesn't convince people, Nintendo will have to rely solely on exclusives...

I don't know that I would label the vita's library as one that appeals to a family/casual/widespread audience in the same way that nintendo's does.  Being able to stream these games to your tv doesn't suddenly make niche titles popular. 

they don't even have monster hunter any more. 
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 09, 2013, 05:48:59 pm
I agree. But will content be enough though? Sony is starting to standardize and creating an ecosystem of where all their hardware connect with each other. People with one sony device will find a great convenience in owning another sony device. It's very like apple now. Where they'll be stuck simply because of a much greater convenience and the synergy.

That's really what this is though. Not my thing either... but seeing as how popular this can be, sony could be pushing in the right direction.

In the end we'll see if sony can compete in this ecosystem thing.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 09, 2013, 06:13:25 pm
I agree. But will content be enough though? Sony is starting to standardize and creating an ecosystem of where all their hardware connect with each other. People with one sony device will find a great convenience in owning another sony device. It's very like apple now. Where they'll be stuck simply because of a much greater convenience and the synergy.

That's really what this is though. Not my thing either... but seeing as how popular this can be, sony could be pushing in the right direction.

In the end we'll see if sony can compete in this ecosystem thing.

I agree that it's all very cool and this will save me the trouble of buying a vita when PSnova comes out.  Assuming it's good.  Please god.   
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Happy Cat on September 09, 2013, 06:41:00 pm
I see Vita TV more as a last attempt to get Vita foothold in the western market. Japanese are fine with their handhelds, but as we have seen, western market isn't so keen on dedicated handhelds anymore. $100 is a good price, and they could possibly even bundle Vita TV with the PS4. I remember there was rumors of a PS4/Vita bundle floating around a while back, maybe this is what it was talking about. Would make sense. Much cheaper to bundle with PS4 then a normal Vita is.

Also they had Andrew House come out and present it, he isn't part of their JP branch, so I really do think it was a device made for the western market.

I'm really happy Sony is willing to give the Vita another chance at life in the west, even if it isn't in traditional handheld form. Western gamers seem to much prefer playing on TV's if they are playing videogames on dedicated devices. Vita is a really cool platform with interesting games, would be a shame if it can't live on in the west.

It also completely undercuts the Wii u and Ouya. So this could possibly be an alternative for someone who is looking for a cheap game console who just wants to play digital games.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Deefy on September 09, 2013, 08:20:16 pm
I see Vita TV more as a last attempt to get Vita foothold in the western market. Japanese are fine with their handhelds, but as we have seen, western market isn't so keen on dedicated handhelds anymore...
Also they had Andrew House come out and present it, he isn't part of their JP branch, so I really do think it was a device made for the western market.

I'm really happy Sony is willing to give the Vita another chance at life in the west, even if it isn't in traditional handheld form. Western gamers seem to much prefer playing on TV's if they are playing videogames on dedicated devices. Vita is a really cool platform with interesting games, would be a shame if it can't live on in the west.

It also completely undercuts the Wii u and Ouya. So this could possibly be an alternative for someone who is looking for a cheap game console who just wants to play digital games.

Completely agree with you Shadi, also after the announcement of Phantasy Star nova (which actually took place before) ;D, this "new" platform interests me a lot.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 09, 2013, 09:04:06 pm
This could still turn out not so great but one thing's for sure. Nintendo right now needs multiple "mario galaxies" if they want to stay relevant.

It is like the nintendo 3DS. Very average hardware but the games is what makes it. If Wii U can have the games, no doubt things will be a lot more interesting. As many people said this first year it looks more like a safe bet on increasing the installbase. At 300 euro/dollars that will be a lot harder than 100...
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Emmett The Crab on September 10, 2013, 01:07:07 am
How does it stream to TV?
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 10, 2013, 02:00:25 am

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Sony really owns the next generation. Wow at every single move they've done so far. They're un-fucking-stoppable

Seriously ?  SONY showed off little of any games actually running on the PS4 in terms of Software ready for launch MS is way out in front and SEGA shows off one game that looks last gen and that's won the war too ?
The PS4 has gone from kicking the XBox One ass in E3 to know being 2nd best in terms of launch software and games worth getting .
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 10, 2013, 07:07:05 am
It's hard to get excited when any hardly gameplay is shown.  The only real new footage showcased was for DeepDown, which for all intents and purposes looks like the poor man's dark souls.  I'm still scratching my head about what Lily Bergamo even is.

I am excited about Nova though, which is definitely something.  I really hope it delivers given how burnt PSO2 left me.  The vita TV is a neat idea as well. 

Different people have different preference, you may not be impressed with Deep Down (Which I should mention, outside of being medieval, has nothing common with Dark Souls) and I'm not be particularly interested in it, but it has had a strong enough impact that has gripped a lot of people's interest. Whilst we have yet to see gameplay, many people are welcoming to the pedigree of both Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio and Grasshopper to be hyped for whatever they have announced. It's the same with people being interested in Phantasy Star Nova.

As I mentioned though, this was not a key conference for any of us, it was designed to suit the Japanese market evident by the fact they showcased visual novels and idol simulators. That they have a strong lineup over there shows you how prepared Sony is coming into this generation as opposed to last generation. I would also imagine most of the gameplay was withheld due to the Tokyo Game Show only being two weeks away.

Seriously ?  SONY showed off little of any games actually running on the PS4 in terms of Software ready for launch MS is way out in front and SEGA shows off one game that looks last gen and that's won the war too ?
The PS4 has gone from kicking the XBox One ass in E3 to know being 2nd best in terms of launch software and games worth getting .

It's not debatable anymore at this point which console is going to dominate this Christmas period.

And I am sure CrazyTails is talking about Sony's collective approach coming into the eighth generation rather than solely this presentation which was aimed first and foremost for the Japanese market.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Happy Cat on September 10, 2013, 09:49:57 am
I've read that PS Vita TV has sold out of pre-orders on Amazon Japan. That's pretty amazing. I didn't think PS Vita TV would be so popular in Japan. I thought consoles were dead there, but maybe Sony just had the perfect idea that's going to catch on in Japan.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: CrazyT on September 10, 2013, 10:05:50 am
I think this may also put vita in a much better position over here in the west. Maybe if/when this cheap console finds it apeal, we´ll see games like phantasy star nova localized much sooner

Getting a device just for one game isn't my thing at all, but I can see myself getting the vita tv used, only for some games. Seeing as it'll already be cheap, I can't imagine how affordable it'll be used by then.

Edit: found this at bumped (http://bumped.org/psublog/phantasy-star-nova-announced-for-playstation-vita/)

(http://bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Phantasy-Star-Nova.gif)

Please let this be good
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 10, 2013, 10:26:43 am
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It's not debatable anymore at this point which console is going to dominate this Christmas period.

??? Its still all to play and fight far . After getting a sound kicking at E3 MS have really thought back and come out fighting with a better launch line up and sweeteners like FIFA or Froza 5 with day 1 models . Its now SONY on the back foot in the West .

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solely this presentation which was aimed first and foremost for the Japanese market.

And other than some nice Vita stuff it was a shit for SONY and the PS4 - With next to no games shown off and a lauch months away in its own domestic market and imo Yakuza 4 didn't look that great in the GFX stakes ; so much so that it's hard to know what platform it was meant to running on 
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Barry the Nomad on September 10, 2013, 10:47:20 am
I'm not getting this "game over! go home X1! PS4 has won the holiday season!"

I mean, I'm not debating that PS4 had a more consistent message that registered positively with gamers, but to think that there is no debate to be had and that PS4 has won the holiday season is really jumping the gun.

I'm going to wait and see how the holiday season plays out before making any "there is no debate" comments.

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I'm curious, should PS4 sell more units than X1 following the Christmas season, does that even mean that X1 has lost? I mean, I equate "losing" in the console war to how well the company itself does, not "their total number is less than the competition". Dreamcast was a loss, I can't see Sony or MS "losing" in that sense. If both end up making a profit and have a large install base, then both Sony and MS could "win" even if one has more users than another. There's just too many factors involved to call a clear winner anymore. One could dominate on one region while the other could dominate in another.

At most, I could see Nintendo losing in the console war at this point. If it ended up being that Wii U is Nintendo's final console, I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Happy Cat on September 10, 2013, 11:06:10 am
Microsoft has no chance in Japan, so PlayStation winning there is a given. The Japanese just don't like the XBOX brand.

Microsoft has won America with the power of NFL and Call of Duty.

Europe could go either way.

certainly be interesting to see how things go.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: TimmiT on September 10, 2013, 11:14:55 am
Microsoft has no chance in Japan, so PlayStation winning there is a given. The Japanese just don't like the XBOX brand.

Microsoft has won America with the power of NFL and Call of Duty.

Europe could go either way.

certainly be interesting to see how things go.
If you take the console with the most sales as "winning", here in Europe the PS4 has three to four as many pre-orders as the Xbox One.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 10, 2013, 11:32:47 am
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Microsoft has no chance in Japan, so PlayStation winning there is a given. The Japanese just don't like the XBOX brand.

Nither the PS4 or XBox 1 is launching in Japan this year , which just says its all and really why SOJ need to get a grip and start trying to make IP that can work world wide imo.

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I'm not getting this "game over! go home X1! PS4 has won the holiday season!"

Well said . Its really still up in the air at the moment
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 10, 2013, 11:34:17 am
If you take the console with the most sales as "winning", here in Europe the PS4 has three to four as many pre-orders as the Xbox One.

I think that's old data and one shouldn't read too much into Pre Orders . Cube had more pre orders and a far better launch the the XBox and yet XBox won the day . Its always about games, retail and 3rd party support
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Happy Cat on September 10, 2013, 02:49:51 pm
Nither the PS4 or XBox 1 is launching in Japan this year , which just says its all and really why SOJ need to get a grip and start trying to make IP that can work world wide imo.

Well said . Its really still up in the air at the moment


Yeah, Sony admitted a while ago in an interview that PlayStation 4 is aimed at the west because that is where the battle for next gen is. Consoles seem to be pretty dead in Japan, that is why they are pushing Vita so hard. I'm surprised to see Vita TV get such a positive reception... always seemed like a console to me
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Shigs on September 10, 2013, 03:40:16 pm
Microsoft has no chance in Japan, so PlayStation winning there is a given. The Japanese just don't like the XBOX brand.

Microsoft has won America with the power of NFL and Call of Duty.

Europe could go either way.

certainly be interesting to see how things go.

PS4 has about double the pre-orders of the XBone. Double. Hell, my own Wal-Mart put up pre-orders for both systems two weeks ago. We are sold out of both systems, controllers and games for PS4 while the only thing to sell out for X-Box One is Ryse. We still have plenty of system pre-orders left.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Trippled on September 10, 2013, 04:42:53 pm
Nither the PS4 or XBox 1 is launching in Japan this year , which just says its all and really why SOJ need to get a grip and start trying to make IP that can work world wide imo.


Or with Sony's help.

At least that's what the rumors are saying...
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 10, 2013, 05:55:03 pm
??? Its still all to play and fight far . After getting a sound kicking at E3 MS have really thought back and come out fighting with a better launch line up and sweeteners like FIFA or Froza 5 with day 1 models . Its now SONY on the back foot in the West .

For the rest of the eighth generation? Sure, for Christmas? No, the Playstation 4 has already won.

Microsoft has come back fighting, I will agree to that, yet the Playstation 4 continues to outsell it, it still holds more preorders than the Xbox One in any major territories. This includes America and the UK, which in the seventh generation, the Xbox 360 held an unassailable lead.

And other than some nice Vita stuff it was a shit for SONY and the PS4 - With next to no games shown off and a lauch months away in its own domestic market and imo Yakuza 4 didn't look that great in the GFX stakes ; so much so that it's hard to know what platform it was meant to running on 

Again, this presentation was not for you, the western, but for Japanese gamers.

You are not interested in Yakuza, they are. You are not interested in Dynasty Warriors, they are. The fact you are basing your opinion on graphics shows how far apart you are from the typical Japanese gamer.

And finally I will add what has been said before, this is not the main event but merely the preshow to the Tokyo Game Show.

I'm not getting this "game over! go home X1! PS4 has won the holiday season!"

I mean, I'm not debating that PS4 had a more consistent message that registered positively with gamers, but to think that there is no debate to be had and that PS4 has won the holiday season is really jumping the gun.

I'm going to wait and see how the holiday season plays out before making any "there is no debate" comments.

Preorders are higher for the Playstation 4, so much so that Sony confidently told us they had over a million preorders at Gamescom. That would mean they are more than likely to have more consoles sold than on the launch week of the Playstation 3.

They have also gone on record to say this has been their most requested console in their history of the business. By all means it is fair to say that the eighth generation is yet to be decided, however the Christmas period has already been settled barring some miraculous turn around.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 10, 2013, 08:51:14 pm
Again, this presentation was not for you, the western, but for Japanese gamers.

This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are japanese games.  You really think they're excited to see Dynasty Warriors again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Gundam game?  Or 5 minutes of deep down footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from yakuza that had no gameplay?  Or freaking KNACK?? Just because they're Japanese doesn't mean they have no meter of quality.  Also, who are you to judge it went fantastically if we as western audience members have no gauge of what they're looking for over there?

I probably own more PS3 games than I do for any modern console but I don't think it was a very good presentation by any standard.   
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: tarpmortar on September 10, 2013, 10:48:21 pm
This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are japanese games.  You really think they're excited to see Dynasty Warriors again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Gundam game?  Or 5 minutes of deep down footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from yakuza that had no gameplay?  Or freaking KNACK?? Just because they're Japanese doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. 

They definitely liked it (http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09/09/japanese-viewers-loved-sony-japans-playstation-press-conference-88-7-positive-rating-on-nico-nico/?utm_content=buffer02b1b&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer), cannot blame them, Yakuza and Phantasy Star are big IP in Japan.

I liked the show, Vita TV was cool as hell. I was considering getting one for my monitor but need to figure the audio out. Very cool little device, shame about the touch screen games though.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 10, 2013, 11:55:32 pm
They definitely liked it (http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09/09/japanese-viewers-loved-sony-japans-playstation-press-conference-88-7-positive-rating-on-nico-nico/?utm_content=buffer02b1b&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer), cannot blame them, Yakuza and Phantasy Star are big IP in Japan.

I stand corrected.  I still don't think the conference was anywhere near the slam dunk you guys are making it out to be but meh. 
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 11, 2013, 02:27:16 am
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I will agree to that, yet the Playstation 4 continues to outsell it, it still holds more preorders than the Xbox One in any major territories.

Don't give me that line . We've no official 100% accurate data from all the retail shops on their orders for the consoles and Pre orders are one thing, how many of those pre orders will ever be canceled or appear on Ebay for a quick buck . In the end data that shows games and hardware sales for the 1st few months after launch will be far more telling .

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Again, this presentation was not for you, the western, but for Japanese gamers

Pull the other one, The Toyko game show isn't meant for the West , hell there's been plenty of consoels that were Japan only and we've all have a interest in them . The fact was other than some nice news of the Vita , the show was poor in tersm of new IP for the PS4 , much less any games being shown off running on the system .

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The fact you are basing your opinion on graphics shows how far apart you are from the typical Japanese gamer.

Bullshit . Graphics will also help get a game noticed and your rather weak excuse for Yakuza graphics don't cover that . Deep Down just looked far more impressive and far more next gen .

Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: tarpmortar on September 11, 2013, 04:32:23 am
Don't give me that line . We've no official 100% accurate data from all the retail shops on their orders for the consoles and Pre orders are one thing, how many of those pre orders will ever be canceled or appear on Ebay for a quick buck . In the end data that shows games and hardware sales for the 1st few months after launch will be far more telling .

I don't think anybody is denying that long term sales are more important but to sit here and say we should completely ignore all available data? That's deflecting. Especially when the sales data you look forward to is also incomplete. Also systems being sold on eBay matters how? That's still a sold system as far as Sony is concerned

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Pull the other one, The Toyko game show isn't meant for the West , hell there's been plenty of consoels that were Japan only and we've all have a interest in them . The fact was other than some nice news of the Vita , the show was poor in tersm of new IP for the PS4 , much less any games being shown off running on the system .

Sony has a lot of new IP, they haven't really shown a ton, that's for sure but their track record for such things is certainly good. They have the largest first party infrastructure in the world, they support and develop new IP more than any other publisher I can think of. Not sure why games running on the system matters, have we seen Xbox One games run on something that's not Windows 7?

Bullshit . Graphics will also help get a game noticed and your rather weak excuse for Yakuza graphics don't cover that . Deep Down just looked far more impressive and far more next gen .

Graphics are a low priority frankly, devs should focus on affordable costs over graphics. This constant pushing of the envelope is killing the industry. Also, most consumers (especially in Japan) have been pleased with graphics for quite some time and don't need games on the cutting edge, see: Wii, PS2, handhelds being dominant in Japan (in particular DS), etc.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 11, 2013, 05:54:38 am
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Also systems being sold on eBay matters how? That's still a sold system as far as Sony is concerned

It's just people selling it to make a few quid and some desperate people then buying one because they think it's the next best thing . In the end it's games and retail sales that will drive any console.

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They have the largest first party infrastructure in the world, they support and develop new IP more than any other publisher I can think of

Yep so to be outgunned by MS at this late stage is a bit telling . MS Gone from having nothing to show and now a lot more than SONY for launch . Totally different from that of when both consoles were 1st revealed .

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Not sure why games running on the system matters, have we seen Xbox One games run on something that's not Windows 7?

It matters when you're just weeks away from shipping those games and yes we have seen games running on production XBox One - I think that was the case for gamesgone

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Graphics are a low priority frankly, devs should focus on affordable costs over graphic

That's an old excuse and a very old line . All games are developed on super PC's these days in most cases developvers already have the equiment needed for next gen development

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see: Wii, PS2, handhelds being dominant in Japan (in particular DS), etc.

Yes and see Japan and its developers lose more market share, more development skills to the west . Quite sad really

 
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 11, 2013, 08:56:46 am
This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are japanese games.  You really think they're excited to see Dynasty Warriors again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Gundam game?  Or 5 minutes of deep down footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from yakuza that had no gameplay?  Or freaking KNACK?? Just because they're Japanese doesn't mean they have no meter of quality.

As of March 30th 2013

Dynasty Warriors 6 / Dynasty Warriors 6 [PlayStation 3 the Best] - 416,288 (Koei) {2007-11-11}
Warriors Orochi 3 - 395,411 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-12-22}
Samurai Warriors 3 Z - 328,716 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-10}
Dynasty Warriors 8 - 325,807 (Koei Tecmo) {2013-02-28}
Musou Orochi Z - 221,718 (Koei) {2009-03-12}

So as you can see, yes they are still very much interested in the Dynasty Warriors series. Infact, the latest Dynasty Warriors has sold more than Bayonetta, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Devil May Cry 4, Demon's Souls and has just been outsold by Dark Souls without it hitting The Playstation 3 The Best edition.

Whilst I am not sure what hype a new Gundam could generate, it is a major IP still in Japan and continues to get merchandise, TV series and the games continue to be popular with most selling over 300,000 units.

Deep Down is a new IP so its hard to grasp just how well it would do and all I can point to in my library of historical sales are figures of other dungeon crawlers. I am however off put by the mere fact it has no single player component.

And of course they would be excited for Yakuza, it featured 8 of the most popular Yakuza characters in the history of the franchise, 8 out of the 10 voted as the best characters in the series appeared in it. It also helps that it takes on a popular period in Japanese history as well as Kiryu portraying not one, but two historical figures who have had countless fiction based on them.

I agree that I see no point on Knack, but my good friend Taro has consistently mentioned that Crash was huge in Japan so there is that. Can't do bad as a packin title either.

Let's put this another way in a hypothetical situation;

"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

So you see, different folks different strokes.

Also, who are you to judge it went fantastically if we as western audience members have no gauge of what they're looking for over there?

You base your foundations on what you want, I base my foundations on sales numbers and hype via Famitsu, Dengaki, Sinobi and Comgnet. Feel free to come back with evidence and counter my points.

But I see Spencer has already shown how well it went down with most Japanese gamers.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 11, 2013, 10:48:33 am
Don't give me that line . We've no official 100% accurate data from all the retail shops on their orders for the consoles and Pre orders are one thing, how many of those pre orders will ever be canceled or appear on Ebay for a quick buck . In the end data that shows games and hardware sales for the 1st few months after launch will be far more telling .

Amazon preorders are above that of the Xbox One. The general consensus for gamers seem to be of overwhelming demand for the Playstation 4 and whenever anyone has put their job on the line, leaked data shows the Playstation 4 has a 6 to 1 lead over the Xbox One in mainland Europe.

I see very little point arguing about preorders being cancelled or scalpers, this has happened to every console ever and can easily be argued against the Xbox One too, so that is a moot point.

Pull the other one, The Toyko game show isn't meant for the West , hell there's been plenty of consoels that were Japan only and we've all have a interest in them . The fact was other than some nice news of the Vita , the show was poor in tersm of new IP for the PS4 , much less any games being shown off running on the system .

What... Is your point? That because you like Japanese stuff and that nothing of note interested you here equates to what exactly? One of the shows major highlights was a series that you no longer have interest in but many Japanese gamers do. And as evidence shown by my friend Taro, many were satisfied by the presentation, 70% giving it a 5 out of 5.

Bullshit . Graphics will also help get a game noticed and your rather weak excuse for Yakuza graphics don't cover that . Deep Down just looked far more impressive and far more next gen .

Again, what is your point? You're coming in this from the mindset that graphics are a hook for Japanese gamers but sales for the 7th generation tells me exactly the opposite. Posts something to the contrary but back it up with evidence.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Radrappy on September 11, 2013, 12:01:36 pm
As of March 30th 2013

Dynasty Warriors 6 / Dynasty Warriors 6 [PlayStation 3 the Best] - 416,288 (Koei) {2007-11-11}
Warriors Orochi 3 - 395,411 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-12-22}
Samurai Warriors 3 Z - 328,716 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-10}
Dynasty Warriors 8 - 325,807 (Koei Tecmo) {2013-02-28}
Musou Orochi Z - 221,718 (Koei) {2009-03-12}

So as you can see, yes they are still very much interested in the Dynasty Warriors series. Infact, the latest Dynasty Warriors has sold more than Bayonetta, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Devil May Cry 4, Demon's Souls and has just been outsold by Dark Souls without it hitting The Playstation 3 The Best edition.

Whilst I am not sure what hype a new Gundam could generate, it is a major IP still in Japan and continues to get merchandise, TV series and the games continue to be popular with most selling over 300,000 units.

Deep Down is a new IP so its hard to grasp just how well it would do and all I can point to in my library of historical sales are figures of other dungeon crawlers. I am however off put by the mere fact it has no single player component.

And of course they would be excited for Yakuza, it featured 8 of the most popular Yakuza characters in the history of the franchise, 8 out of the 10 voted as the best characters in the series appeared in it. It also helps that it takes on a popular period in Japanese history as well as Kiryu portraying not one, but two historical figures who have had countless fiction based on them.

I agree that I see no point on Knack, but my good friend Taro has consistently mentioned that Crash was huge in Japan so there is that. Can't do bad as a packin title either.

Let's put this another way in a hypothetical situation;

"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

So you see, different folks different strokes.

You base your foundations on what you want, I base my foundations on sales numbers and hype via Famitsu, Dengaki, Sinobi and Comgnet. Feel free to come back with evidence and counter my points.

But I see Spencer has already shown how well it went down with most Japanese gamers.

So because they rolled out new iterations of a few already established and popular brands, the presentation went fantastically?  I understand that Dynasty Warriors is popular.  Lots of terrible things are.  It doesn't make the ps4 line up they had to show any more interesting.

Did you really watch this thing Aki, squealing to yourself that "SONY HAS DONE IT AGAIN?"  Over Dynasty Warriors?  Or a new Yakuza cutscene for a game that we already knew was coming?  I mean, what was it that excited you so much about this conference? 
 
"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

To be fair, that sounds like a pretty crappy presentation as well, providing watchdogs was the only game that had footage shown. 
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 11, 2013, 01:59:15 pm
So because they rolled out new iterations of a few already established and popular brands, the presentation went fantastically?  I understand that Dynasty Warriors is popular.  Lots of terrible things are.  It doesn't make the ps4 line up they had to show any more interesting.

Again, you are perceiving it how you want to perceive it, rather than the grand schemes of things. I am not interested in Halo, yet I know the effect it had in Microsoft's E3 presentation. I am not interested in Final Fantasy, yet I know the effect it had in Sony's E3 presentation. I am interested in Rime, yet I know in the grand scheme of things it will do low numbers compared to the heavy hitters Sony has in store.

You cannot view this presentation by what you want, this was tailored for Japanese gamers and the media, you just sweeping Dynasty Warriors under the carpet as some sort of terrible game whilst overlooking the general strength of the brand shows that you are just looking at it from your limited point of view.

And as I seem to have to consistently mention, this was but the preshow to the Tokyo Game Show where we will definitely see more gameplay on Yakuza, on Phantasy Star Nova, on Deep Down etc, they are not about to showcase everything off when they know full well the main course is on the 20th of this month.

Did you really watch this thing Aki, squealing to yourself that "SONY HAS DONE IT AGAIN?"  Over Dynasty Warriors?  Or a new Yakuza cutscene for a game that we already knew was coming?  I mean, what was it that excited you so much about this conference?

Outside of Crimson Dragon, I was not one bit interested in Microsoft's E3 presentation. It was however a well made and put together presentation that helped them regain some lost ground.

I'm not looking at this presentation as what I want, you can mention something is good for a market without being interested in it. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Sony is coming into the eighth generation more prepared than they were in the seventh generation for the Japanese market, just compare the launches;

Playstation 3: BLAST·FACTOR, Kidou Senshi Gundam: Target In Sight, Ridge Racer 7, Miyazato San Kyoudai Naizou: SEGA GOLFCLUB, Resistance: Jinrui Botsuraku no Hi, Genji: Kamui Souran

Playstation 4: Knack, Assassin’s Creed 4, Battlefield 4, Call of Duty: Ghosts, Doki-Doki Universe, Dream Club: Host Girls on Stage, Driveclub, Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends, FIFA 14, Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn (the beta), Hohokum, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Natural Doctrine, Puzzle 4 Sudoku, Tottemo E Mahjong Plus, Resogun, Strider, Ryu Ga Gotoku: Ishin and Watch Dogs.

A mix of well known Japanese brands, major Western IPs that do well in Japan and titles that will do well with the otaku crowd.

"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

To be fair, that sounds like a pretty crappy presentation as well, providing watchdogs was the only game that had footage shown. 

It's a fairly moderate presentation that would do well for a preshow to E3. This presentation was that.
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Team Andromeda on September 11, 2013, 02:24:51 pm
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Amazon preorders are above that of the Xbox One.

Amazon UK were saying the other month that the XBox One has broken their pre order records . Its all very much up in the air and I never read much in pre orders anyway . Cube smashed those of the XBox and yet the XBox sold far more . 

Sales numbers of hardware and software in the months after launch are far more telling .

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That because you like Japanese stuff and that nothing of note interested you here equates to what exactly?

? I'm just said that other than a few nice bits of Vita news SONY had little to show off with the PS4 .

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One of the shows major highlights was a series that you no longer have interest in but many Japanese gamers do


 Yakuza 3 and its sequels aren't  even close to being a million seller IP. There's far more IP in Japan that sells over a million copies in Japan alone

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Again, what is your point?

Graphics count for a lot and help sell a game . SEGA used to love to shout about its High end graphics once and ever to this day people go on about how far ahead the DC was for the the time . Graphics help with a game and it was an aera that SEGA used to be a world leader in once , sadly those days seem over

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but sales for the 7th generation tells me exactly the opposite

All they prove is Japan is becoming ever more irrelevant -with its shirking market and low game sales . Sad to see the Japanese gaming industry to be in such a mess after leading the world with the 16 and 32 bit systems
Title: Re: Sony Asia Conference for 9/9
Post by: Aki-at on September 11, 2013, 02:56:37 pm
Amazon UK were saying the other month that the XBox One has broken their pre order records . Its all very much up in the air and I never read much in pre orders anyway . Cube smashed those of the XBox and yet the XBox sold far more . 

Where? Find me the article, then I'll believe you. You can pop onto Amazon at anytime and see that for the year 2013, the Playstation 4 is still the better seller than the Xbox One, which clearly refutes the claim you made.

As for trying to introduce the Gamecube into this equation, it was healthy for Nintendo. For Sony coming off of the Playstation it would have been shambolic and is no way related to the performance of the Playstation brand.

Sales numbers of hardware and software in the months after launch are far more telling .

This is not what we are discussing. Christmas period is what we were discussing.

? I'm just said that other than a few nice bits of Vita news SONY had little to show off with the PS4 .

Ryu Ga Gotoku Ishin, Dynasty Warriors 8 and Deep Down. Two are major franchises in Japan, one a new IP that should do well. The rest were teasers for the main event. But what was your point, I stated this was for the Japanese gamers and you go on a tangent how it should be directed at us, I fail to see why.
 
Yakuza 3 and its sequels aren't  even close to being a million seller IP. There's far more IP in Japan that sells over a million copies in Japan alone

Name them. Console IPs, last generation, not belonging to Nintendo.

Final Fantasy and Monster Hunter are the only ones. So much for your belief there are far more.

Graphics count for a lot and help sell a game . SEGA used to love to shout about its High end graphics once and ever to this day people go on about how far ahead the DC was for the the time . Graphics help with a game and it was an aera that SEGA used to be a world leader in once , sadly those days seem over

All they prove is Japan is becoming ever more irrelevant -with its shirking market and low game sales . Sad to see the Japanese gaming industry to be in such a mess after leading the world with the 16 and 32 bit systems

What the hell are you even going on about? We are not here talking about what you want, we are talking about the Japanese market. Stop mixing what you want, what you wished, what you desire, as believing that is what the Japanese market wants.