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Title: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 29, 2011, 04:06:43 pm
I go see a psychologist every once in a while.. but meh =/ seems useless. His advice is usually stuff I have thought of way before now. It also seems like all he does is agree with me in an attempt to make me happy

i don't see how this is supposed to help me feel better =/
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: tarpmortar on April 29, 2011, 04:07:58 pm
I don't know, guess it depends on the person. I had a shrink as a kid, he helped me a lot I think. That was my personal experience though.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 29, 2011, 04:11:56 pm
I'll be trying depression/anxiety pills again soon.. due to pressure from others. but I doubt they will do anything, they never did when I was younger.

I guess a psychologist works better then those =/ lol someone to talk to atleast...
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: George on April 29, 2011, 04:21:00 pm
I think its more about talking to someone and them trying to help you. In the end, yes, pretty much bullshit.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: tarpmortar on April 29, 2011, 05:43:12 pm
Quote from: "ShadiNeko"
I'll be trying depression/anxiety pills again soon.. due to pressure from others. but I doubt they will do anything, they never did when I was younger.

I guess a psychologist works better then those =/ lol someone to talk to atleast...


Try a variety of depression pills I guess, never taken them myself so I am not sure which are good. Not that I haven't been depressed, just I have tendency to ignore it and hole it up inside of myself. With that being said, depending on the issue you are depressed about you are the only one who can resolve it really.

Like I actually get depressed a lot as I have very high standards for myself that I usually fail to meet; e.g. I got a 91% on a math test recently and was depressed it wasn't a 95%. That made me down for a couple of days. If your issues are education related then you might consider seeing a tutor at some point in your schedule. At my high school they had free ones, and at my College they have free ones.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 29, 2011, 06:11:09 pm
Everything makes me depressed.

then when I get into the mood to change something, my anxiety takes over, and that in turn eventually makes me depressed again.

I might be better off killing myself at this rate =P
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Autosaver on April 29, 2011, 06:23:07 pm
Holy crap Shadi, I didn't know you were depressed.

Hope you feel better. Can't you go to the doctor so you can get some strong(er) anti-depressants?
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 29, 2011, 06:29:23 pm
Quote from: "Autosaver"
Holy crap Shadi, I didn't know you were depressed.

Hope you feel better. Can't you go to the doctor so you can get some strong(er) anti-depressants?
I'm not taking anything at the moment.

and as for being depressed.. its ok.. im used to it. it comes and goes.. just really sucks when i have it. been this way for many years now.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: George on April 29, 2011, 06:31:15 pm
Smoke pot, take a nap.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: cube_b3 on April 30, 2011, 02:33:39 pm
Look Will I don't think you should Stereotype psychologists altogether. If you don't think the psychologist is helping you, and you don't see improvement in your life and if the brief information you've provided is true.

Then that particular psychologist may very well be useless.

While Psychologists are encouraged (more like it is a demand) to deal with Clients from all walks of life, I personally feel a psychologist who shares a congruent history with the patient can be more helpful than someone with just text book experience.

My mom's suffered from depression, i've dealt with it seen the triggers first hand and I think that gives me a genuine edge over people who've come from the perfect families.

It's just an example. My supervisor disagrees with me as she deals with people with Schizophrenia, so should her mother have schizophrenia in order to be better at dealing with patients who have schizophrenia.

Also another important variable is the commitment of the psychologist unlike other fields of medicine we can't just see a problem and write up a perscreption. We have to research (or atleast rookie's such as myself) each particular case, read up case studies of other Patients with similar symptoms, family structures and so on.

A psychologists role is much greater than just listening to you for an hour and spit out a few sentences. Sessions are recorded and documented. Replayed, Analyzed and future plans are determined on those.

Psychological tests such as HFD (Human Figure Drawing), Rorschach, TAT (Thematic Aptitude Tests) and several other expressive theraputic technique's are used to gain a mutual understanding of the client's condition.

It is a very long and complicated process and it can only be done if the therapist invests their time in a patient/client.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 30, 2011, 03:12:34 pm
wait.. you mean they are recording my voice?! x.X ugh.. XD WtFFUUUUUUU

i wasnt told of such
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: cube_b3 on April 30, 2011, 03:18:05 pm
It is unethical to record without consent.

I always ask permission and keep my recorder visibly infront of my clients/patients. I also take detailed notes of all the sessions, stuff that a voice recorder can't detect.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Happy Cat on April 30, 2011, 04:05:00 pm
yeah.. i noticed my psychologist is always writing stuff down.. heh xP
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: cube_b3 on April 30, 2011, 04:18:42 pm
Look we are both online.

If something is bother you, we can talk about it over on MSN.

Talking here is pretty slow, and weird cause your online.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: George on April 30, 2011, 04:21:01 pm
Did you try smoking pot yet?
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on April 30, 2011, 05:04:23 pm
Lots of beer a nice long wank.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 01, 2011, 02:46:05 am
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Lots of beer a nice long wank.

Nothing like a depressant to help you get over your depression.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: tarpmortar on May 01, 2011, 04:50:44 am
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Lots of beer a nice long wank.

Nothing like a depressant to help you get over your depression.

What I thought, haha.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: George on May 01, 2011, 06:00:10 am
Shadi. Don't listen to them.

Get some LSD, Pot and some Brother David's Triple Abbey Style Ale.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Barry the Nomad on May 01, 2011, 08:29:24 am
For some reason beer and masturbation makes me feel better, guess I'm a special case.

A very special case!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: cube_b3 on May 01, 2011, 01:02:38 pm
Anyway Let's bring this psychologist thread to a close.

It wasn't just you.
Your psychologist just doesn't seem to work for you.
It doesn't mean psychologists are useless.

Let's lock this thread now.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: George on May 01, 2011, 02:19:53 pm
Why lock it? We are discussion the well being of a forum member and why he shouldn't waste time with psychologists.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 01, 2011, 02:33:13 pm
Quote from: "George"
Shadi. Don't listen to them.

Get some LSD, Pot and some Brother David's Triple Abbey Style Ale.

I can't tell if you are joking or really suggesting that taking illicit drugs will actually help.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: cube_b3 on May 01, 2011, 03:34:25 pm
Whether he is joking or otherwise he clearly isn't helping.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: tarpmortar on May 01, 2011, 04:46:38 pm
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
Quote from: "George"
Shadi. Don't listen to them.

Get some LSD, Pot and some Brother David's Triple Abbey Style Ale.

I can't tell if you are joking or really suggesting that taking illicit drugs will actually help.

Neither can I : /
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Aki-at on May 01, 2011, 07:55:26 pm
Quote from: "TaroYamada"
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
Quote from: "George"
Shadi. Don't listen to them.

Get some LSD, Pot and some Brother David's Triple Abbey Style Ale.

I can't tell if you are joking or really suggesting that taking illicit drugs will actually help.

Neither can I : /

Of course he's damn serious, if using that lot could get George to become the head of the Mexican mafia, imagine what it could do for Shadi!

[spoiler:3qs3zrv3]I'm not sure either[/spoiler:3qs3zrv3]
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: George on May 01, 2011, 08:11:06 pm
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
Quote from: "George"
Shadi. Don't listen to them.

Get some LSD, Pot and some Brother David's Triple Abbey Style Ale.

I can't tell if you are joking or really suggesting that taking illicit drugs will actually help.
http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/depre ... nnabis.htm (http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/depression_and_cannabis.htm)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... ssion.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3101327/LSD-could-cure-depression.html)

So, yes. LSD and Cannabis are rather safe drugs.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 02, 2011, 03:35:50 am
Quote from: "George"
Quote from: "MadeManG74"
Quote from: "George"
Shadi. Don't listen to them.

Get some LSD, Pot and some Brother David's Triple Abbey Style Ale.

I can't tell if you are joking or really suggesting that taking illicit drugs will actually help.
http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/depre ... nnabis.htm (http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/depression_and_cannabis.htm)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... ssion.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3101327/LSD-could-cure-depression.html)

So, yes. LSD and Cannabis are rather safe drugs.

Quote
Question: Is It a Bad Idea to Use Marijuana to Relieve Depression?
Answer: There is much debate as to whether marijuana might actually help depression. Participants in a 1997 pilot study1 reported that one of the reasons they continued to smoke marijuana was that they felt it relieved their symptoms of depression and anxiety. Another study2 found that marijuana did not seem to exacerbate depression, but rather was another symptom of the condition. Although there is preliminary evidence that marijuana may have antidepressant properties, many argue there are also some important drawbacks to it's usage. There is a well-known phenomenon called "amotivational syndrome" in which chronic cannabis users become apathetic, socially withdrawn, and perform at a level of everyday functioning well below their capacity prior to their marijuana use. Although the depressed person may feel relief from their symptoms, this may be an illusion of well-being if the person loses motivation and productivity.
http://depression.about.com/cs/drugsalc ... otmeds.htm (http://depression.about.com/cs/drugsalcohol/f/potmeds.htm)

Seems to me like taking hallucinogenic drug is just hiding from the problem, not helping anything. I know a couple of people who smoke dope regularly and they are the only two people I know that are unemployed and seem unhappy with their lives.

I'm not saying drugs are evil or getting preachy, but I think that telling someone who is depressed to just do some drugs and get over it is poor advice.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: tarpmortar on May 02, 2011, 03:48:44 am
Quote from: "MadeManG74"

Quote
Question: Is It a Bad Idea to Use Marijuana to Relieve Depression?
Answer: There is much debate as to whether marijuana might actually help depression. Participants in a 1997 pilot study1 reported that one of the reasons they continued to smoke marijuana was that they felt it relieved their symptoms of depression and anxiety. Another study2 found that marijuana did not seem to exacerbate depression, but rather was another symptom of the condition. Although there is preliminary evidence that marijuana may have antidepressant properties, many argue there are also some important drawbacks to it's usage. There is a well-known phenomenon called "amotivational syndrome" in which chronic cannabis users become apathetic, socially withdrawn, and perform at a level of everyday functioning well below their capacity prior to their marijuana use. Although the depressed person may feel relief from their symptoms, this may be an illusion of well-being if the person loses motivation and productivity.
http://depression.about.com/cs/drugsalc ... otmeds.htm (http://depression.about.com/cs/drugsalcohol/f/potmeds.htm)

Seems to me like taking hallucinogenic drug is just hiding from the problem, not helping anything. I know a couple of people who smoke dope regularly and they are the only two people I know that are unemployed and seem unhappy with their lives.

I'm not saying drugs are evil or getting preachy, but I think that telling someone who is depressed to just do some drugs and get over it is poor advice.


My cousins smoke weed, they are also unemployed. Whenever they get depressed, they smoke more weed. It isn't really a solution, I do support legalizing it and taxing it, but that is for another thread.

Speaking exclusively for myself I find that when I am depressed fixing what I am depressed about solves the issue. If I am capable of fixing said issue. e.g.; If I get depressed about my school performance I increase the amount of time I study, if I get depressed about something that happened between me and my girlfriend I talk to her, etc. Obviously if I get depressed because somebody I cared about died then I cannot really fix that, but I find that accepting it and allowing myself the mourning period sooner helps.

Basically I find it best to attempt to first attempt to resolve my own issues without the use of any drugs if I can do so, after that I resort to help in people. Had a real anger issue as a child 5-8, that is why I had a shrink, and he helped me a lot.

I will admit however that I have a tendency to medicate with food during times of depression, but it should be noted that these aren't particularly unhealthy things (candy, cake etc.), some are unhealthy like Pizza, but I just as often eat things like salmon, beans or steamed broccoli. I know this isn't a particularly healthy attitude towards food, but given I am also a cyclist and use it as my main mode of transportation I never really gain any weight.

I agree with Cube, thread should be locked, we have Shadi in a sensitive position and I don't think it will particularly help his mental state if we all turn this into a argument. Lock it, Shadi can speak to cube via chat if he needs help as he is the accredited professional, I have also made myself available to him in case he feels the need to talk to anybody and Cube is unavailable.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: George on May 02, 2011, 12:48:40 pm
One of the ways to get a medical cannabis card in California is through depression. Mademan are you a Doctor? If they are willing to put their years of school work to become one on prescribing it... then why question them?

Funny how you say 'it only hides it'... isn't that the same thing as those pills you just advertised?
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Snowcat on May 02, 2011, 03:53:32 pm
:/

Just throwing this one out there.... the last psychologist I went to see tried to use Jurassic Park as a metaphor to make me feel better... It did not.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: cube_b3 on May 03, 2011, 08:09:41 am
and I thought Psychologists were bad here.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: tarpmortar on May 03, 2011, 03:34:00 pm
Quote from: "cube_b3"
and I thought Psychologists were bad here.

Hahaha. Yeah that Jurassic park thing sounds absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 03, 2011, 03:37:46 pm
Quote from: "George"
One of the ways to get a medical cannabis card in California is through depression. Mademan are you a Doctor? If they are willing to put their years of school work to become one on prescribing it... then why question them?

Funny how you say 'it only hides it'... isn't that the same thing as those pills you just advertised?

No, i'm not a doctor, but neither are you right? If it's prescribed by a doctor and used in conjunction with therapy it's better than just buying it from some alley and hoping it makes you feel better, which is what it sounded like you were suggesting.

And when did I advertise 'those pills'? And 'those pills' should only be used in addition to proper therapy right?
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Happy Cat on May 03, 2011, 05:19:31 pm
dem piilz in da hood
Title: Re: Is it just me or are psychologist useless?
Post by: Sega Uranus on May 03, 2011, 07:01:19 pm
Mr T ain't use no drugs, he ain't no fool.

Be like Mr T and respect your mother, not your brain.