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Offline CrazyT

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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2011, 07:43:37 pm »
I think i'm gonna have to agree with Uranus. I've been rewatching the trailer and while it's awesome that SEGA made the choice to include classic sonic, he really does look off. No doubt about it. I have been adjusting the model a little bit on photoshop. I'm not a pro or anything, but the little adjusting showed improvements.

Let me just pickup some artworks
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic ... d_cast.jpg
http://sonicresearch.org/art/albums/Son ... c03_32.png
http://www.teamartail.com/games/sonicjam/cesa.gif

Or even some of the crappy ass saturn 3d models

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10 ... _super.png

The shenmue capsule toy, based on "Sonic the fighters" especially did a great job with the design. Sonic did look slightly taller in the game, shortening him a bit would be the perfect model.

http://http://www.pu.nl/userfiles//sonic(12).jpg
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/other/dc/s ... nmue08.jpg

I'm sure of it..
I was arguing with a member that I respect very much at the SEGA boards. I thought he was silly and exagurating for disliking the design. But he's just the kinda guy that quickly notices stuff like this. Well anyway agree or disagree. I am happy with classic sonic but it'd be nice to see change in the future, just like modern sonic evolved.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2011, 08:01:02 pm »
Quote from: "CrazyTails"
I think i'm gonna have to agree with Uranus. I've been rewatching the trailer and while it's awesome that SEGA made the choice to include classic sonic, he really does look off. No doubt about it. I have been adjusting the model a little bit on photoshop. I'm not a pro or anything, but the little adjusting showed improvements.

Let me just pickup some artworks
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic ... d_cast.jpg
http://sonicresearch.org/art/albums/Son ... c03_32.png
http://www.teamartail.com/games/sonicjam/cesa.gif

Or even some of the crappy ass saturn 3d models

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10 ... _super.png

The shenmue capsule toy, based on "Sonic the fighters" especially did a great job with the design. Sonic did look slightly taller in the game, shortening him a bit would be the perfect model.

http://http://www.pu.nl/userfiles//sonic(12).jpg
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/other/dc/s ... nmue08.jpg

I'm sure of it..
I was arguing with a member that I respect very much at the SEGA boards. I thought he was silly and exagurating for disliking the design. But he's just the kinda guy that quickly notices stuff like this. Well anyway agree or disagree. I am happy with classic sonic but it'd be nice to see change in the future, just like modern sonic evolved.


Really? ...I mean really?

For a start all of those pictures of Sonic you just posted are just as different to one another as this new Classic Sonic is. If you have to look 'really closely' to find the changes then you're looking to closely.

This is good enough for me.




I think it is high time the Sonic fanbase got a grip, seriously.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2011, 08:02:57 pm »
I think the trailer Classic Sonic isn't worth putting under a magnifying glass. The real one to scrutinize will be the in-game model. Thats the one they better nail, or the whole game will be wonky.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2011, 08:39:52 pm »
@sharky

In all those example pictures I think classic sonic looks way more awesome than the modern design.

In the trailer, in action when I look at classic sonic, he looks cool yeah, but modern sonic looks way better. Even though classic sonic's there, It's not how I prefer him over the modern design.

Well I know this is stupid but ah well. I really don't wanna turn this into a bigger subject. I am curious however if it's just me :|

@Barry

Tru dat
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2011, 08:43:42 pm »
... its a CGI trailer that has little to do with the actual game content or model. Are we turning into Sonic Stadium or something?

I mean, he moves weirder, but its CGI . Who cares.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2011, 08:45:05 pm »


It's just you.  He looks perfect.  I wonder how they're planning to "remake" levels that are already realized (albeit poorly) in 3d like City Escape.  No part of me wants to play the original with an HD make over.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2011, 09:05:38 pm »
Haha well if you guys say so, I guess it's true. I draw classic sonic all the time and really put effort in making him look perfect as possible. Maybe that's why I pay so much attention:|. Ahh... must... keep... myself.. from.. nitpicking

I really hope they get his attitude right  :mrgreen:
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2011, 10:50:39 pm »
People are overreacting of course, but to say the model is perfect is not correct either. I personally think he looks too "Cute" and overly silly, like he kind of looks like he is not thinking clearly or something.

The Sonic model used in the Sonic JAM intro is the best 3D model of him ever I think. They might even have those resources of him left somewhere, and with HD consoles the way they are they can use them.

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In any event, this is one of those "It's the thought that counts" occurrences where I do not mind much.

To be honest, just a few minutes ago I figured out that this will also mean we will see classic Dr Robotnik as well, and while I love his design that was made for Sonic Adventure I am honestly overjoyed by seeing that design in 3D again... That alone could warrant a purchase for me.

Does not mean the game is good, but I like that they are starting to get the idea of how the art should look again, even if I think Sonic Free Riders looks much much more like a Sonic game than Unleashed or Colors ever could.

Also, fuck anyone who does not like Adventure Fields.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2011, 11:37:08 pm »
I found Adventure fields boring and tedious wastes of time... The station square music still haunts me.

Not that they couldnt be made good, like the one in Sonic Jam where there are little games to play and history to check out...

But it should ALWAYS be optional...
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2011, 12:37:59 am »
Just to let you guys know, I'm gonna pre-order this in a heart beat fully paid.

And since they finally announce another Sonic game, I'm gonna keep posting here like I use to.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2011, 07:23:14 am »
If this has Sonic Adventure 2 level remakes, day one purchase.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2011, 07:52:35 am »
@ CrazyTails

I think Classic Sonic looks off because he wasn't initially designed to be rendered in 3D. Certain angles lead to some odd things like the lack of neck, the stubby legs having to be contorted and stretched to look right, etc. Sort of like how it took years for Mickey Mouse to get a proper 3D approximation due to his ears. On paper, they can always face the viewer, like two big black circles. But in 3D they're flat dish plates and thus look silly from the side. It wasn't until Kingdom Hearts that they had it so they always faced the camera/viewer and looked right even though they were wrong. Not sure how KHII did it, but I remember it looking great in the conclusion of KHI.
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2011, 08:18:08 am »
Quote from: "Kori-Maru"
Just to let you guys know, I'm gonna pre-order this in a heart beat fully paid.

And since they finally announce another Sonic game, I'm gonna keep posting here like I use to.

Definite preorder for me  too. It would be fantastic if there is some kind of collector's edition of the game as well, I'd get it for sure.

Oh, and classic Sonic looks amazing in 3D.  8-)
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2011, 10:39:31 am »
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Re: New Sonic Trailer "Sonic Generations"?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2011, 10:52:17 am »
lolz:


Also, I completely agree with Ryan's assessment of Sonic Adventure. If you were to present 1999 Barry with the concept of both Sonic Adventure and Sonic Colors, I would have totally chose Sonic Adventure because that is exactly what we craved at the time. A fully 3D Sonic world, all of our favorite characters (well, Tails, Knuckles and Amy at least), the floating island, chaos emeralds, a deep plot.

However, now I would go with Colors, no question. It is simply much more of a pure game. No boring secondary characters, no lengthy cutscenes (seriously, I replayed the final story of SA1 last week and did the dishes as the cutscenes played out, came back to the TV and they were still going!), no out of place mini-games.

Basically, both Sonic Adventure and Colors are products of their respective times. They were fulfilling what we wanted then and now. That's why I think they're deemed as successful games. Sonic Adventure 2 even more so, as it trimmed a lot of the fat from SA1. An SA2 with adventure fields would have been a real drag, as the "wow factor" was gone by that point.

I do find it extremely laughable that some people (I hesitate to use the word "fans") plead for a Sonic Adventure 3. I really do think these are the people who played the first two when they released, and moved on, never really following the series since the Dreamcast days. Had they stuck with the series, they would have experienced both Sonic '06 and Unleashed, both games that share a TON of Adventure series traits. Large focus on plot ('06 especially), multiple characters, alternate gameplay modes, mini-games, side missions, Tornado shooting stages, adventure fields, big Super Sonic finale. That's pretty damn close to a Sonic Adventure 3&4 if you ask me.

And what would an SA3 bring to the table, exactly? It can't continue the plot of the first two games (that being Chaos) as Shadow the Hedgehog and Heroes continued and concluded that thread. It can't introduce even more characters, as we have more than enough as it is. It can't introduce more gameplay styles, as SEGA learned the hard way that this is not what the series needs. So really, all it would be is a Sonic Adventure 3 by name, nothing else. The ship for SA3 sailed with Heroes and Shadow. It ain't gonna happen.
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