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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ri$k on July 05, 2015, 01:09:18 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdzYULyIdq8#t=73 -"Let's change the game", something like modern version of Dreamcast logo at end.
http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qds9Vfwt&v=1&page=Job%20Description&j=oQJW0fwf - Intresting
http://wccftech.com/amd-game-console-arm-x86-architecture/
http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/PINX/SGAMY/quote.html - Sega have good Cash Flow
Mabye, just mabye Sega is planning new console. Sega have good Cash Flow and they are looking for new investors.
I know there is really little chance,but I still belive in SEGA... ;)
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I doubt it. Whatever new console AMD is powering will likely be something else. Just a gut feeling.
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Lot of people think that new console is Nintendo NX but this doubt it: http://wiiudaily.com/2015/07/rumor-nintendo-nx-wont-compete-with-ps4-in-terms-of-power/
Sega is arcade giant and they have experience with console market, so there is still chance...
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I don't think SEGA is willing to return to the console market.
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These rumors literally pop up every year.
And every year they are wrong.
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These rumors literally pop up every year.
And every year they are wrong.
Just like The Last Guardian am I ri- Oh wait.
Well at least we know Final Fantasy 7 Remake isn't happ- what? Oh yeah...
Pffft, I bet you're going to say Shenmue 3 is being made too... WAIT WHAT?
[spoiler]I don't think a new SEGA console is likely at all, now a SEGA service with all their arcade games? Gimme.[/spoiler]
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SEGA making a new console would be like...I dunno making Space Jam 2.
What's that? They're making Space Jam 2?
Well slap my dog and call me Aunt Jeagermeister.
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These rumors literally pop up every year.
And every year they are wrong.
Yeah but this rumor is bulit on real facts... Not like before, Sega Spectrum rumor was bulit just on Picture...
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Sega Spectrum was a codename for the technology used in the holograms of Orbi Yokohama Virtual Zoo, a deal between Sega and the BBC.
They were going to show that close doors in that E3 but it had gotten leaked so they stepped back and didn't show anything.
Now, I don't discard an online service for Sega games in the future.
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Yeah but they believed its gonna be console, just coz dat picture ...
Now they have 3 new divisions and they are hiring people for hw, and it looks like RaD for console http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qds9Vfwt&v=1&page=Job%20Description&j=oQJW0fwf
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Lot of people think that new console is Nintendo NX but this doubt it: http://wiiudaily.com/2015/07/rumor-nintendo-nx-wont-compete-with-ps4-in-terms-of-power/
Sega is arcade giant and they have experience with console market, so there is still chance...
NX will be out late next year I suspect as they were already showing it off behind closed doors at E3. I also suspect it'll be a console that can work as a handheld and a home console. Why? Nintendo have merged most of their handheld and consoles studios into one and even Miyamoto was taking about the idea last year. This would deal with the lack of support their consoles have without major funding put into the company to create new studios for their console alone.
SEGA won't be releasing any console again unless they get bought out and rebuilt in my opinion. They lack the funds, they've lost a lot of talent over the years and they've lost the know how. Also, this would meam four consoles on the market. I really can't see that working.
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Why? Nintendo have merged most of their handheld and consoles studios into one and even Miyamoto was taking about the idea last year.
SEGA won't be releasing any console again unless they get bought out and rebuilt in my opinion. They lack the funds, they've lost a lot of talent over the years and they've lost the know how. Also, this would meam four consoles on the market. I really can't see that working.
Everybody already know its gonna be hybrid of console and handheld... And they said they are not going to show NX this year to public coz they think their rival can copy it. But who can copy them ? PS4 and Xbone is already out....
Yeah, but they still have enough money for one more try and they are looking for more investors... And they are hiring new talented people...I am not saying they are making new console, but they are trying to make something big...
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Really? Huh...I wonder.
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SEGA won't be releasing any console again unless they get bought out and rebuilt in my opinion. They lack the funds, they've lost a lot of talent over the years and they've lost the know how. Also, this would meam four consoles on the market. I really can't see that working.
Well for talent, they have highlighted the people responsible for Sega hardware more over the years...there have been interviews with people resposible for Sega hardware that still work for Sega, particulary this Famitsu Issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk8OWLFUFVs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk8OWLFUFVs)
Would love if someone could translate the interview of Hideki Sato, the god of Sega hardware... :(
They were going to show that close doors in that E3 but it had gotten leaked so they stepped back and didn't show anything.
..lol what would they show that at E3. And thats the shame about Orbi and all these things. The Sega hardware people have largely been involved of what most would consider not video games. Stuff like theme parks, toys, virtual golf courses etc.
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Doubt this is true. Sega and Nintendo should just merge so they can dominate the console space.
Also, about the Nintendo Hybrid. I think that may be the route Nintendo will take, but it's a huge risk. Their handheld market has been what's kept Nintendo afloat for a while(aside from the success of the Wii) I don't know how they would feel if they created a hybrid that bombed. They wouldn't have alternate sales like their handheld market currently brings in.
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Also, about the Nintendo Hybrid. I think that may be the route Nintendo will take, but it's a huge risk.
I have bad feeling about NX.I think its gonna be fail like WiiU...
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If it's business as usual with the NX, then I can see Nintendo getting hit very hard - maybe enough to drop out of the console market even. They've shown over the last two consoles they simply cannot (or won't) deliver enough output with their current setup. And, this is just my view, but I don't think their games have been that great since the Wii either.
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If it's business as usual with the NX, then I can see Nintendo getting hit very hard - maybe enough to drop out of the console market even.
This is complicated... We will see in next generation... it could be ideal time for SEGAs comeback, or for someone new.Coz now it looks like they are wonna make comeback...
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[spoiler]I don't think a new SEGA console is likely at all, now a SEGA service with all their arcade games? Gimme.[/spoiler]
Gib me gaemz pls Sega
SEGA PLS
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Gib me gaemz pls Sega
SEGA PLS
Speaking of arcade games, Im proud I was able to add that Sega is the world biggest arcade manufacturer with over 500 games in the entry text at Wikipedia...regardless of what Sega image is now or will be as a failed console manufacturer, it is an accomplishment that nobody will be able to take away from them.
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Speaking of arcade games, Im proud I was able to add that Sega is the world biggest arcade manufacturer with over 500 games in the entry text at Wikipedia...regardless of what Sega image is now or will be as a failed console manufacturer, it is an accomplishment that nobody will be able to take away from them.
Yeah, SEGA is amazing at arcade games...And just imagine new console from sega with best arcade games, like dreamcast and crazy taxi.....
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People are having a laugh , Sega Japan all but pulled out of console games , so Sega Japan are hardly going to make a bloody console , never mind Sega have little multi million selling IP that could back it. More change of a Sega mobile phone , oh wait NCL are doing that already lol
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People are having a laugh , Sega Japan all but pulled out of console games , so Sega Japan are hardly going to make a bloody console
Well, sega is hiring lot of people now (http://recruit.sega.jp/fresh2016/jobcategory/), and this is intresting...(http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qds9Vfwt&v=1&page=Job%20Description&j=oQJW0fwf)
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Might be like an android sort of console.
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Well, sega is hiring lot of people now (http://recruit.sega.jp/fresh2016/jobcategory/), and this is intresting...(http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qds9Vfwt&v=1&page=Job%20Description&j=oQJW0fwf)
Its quite obvious you're winding people up , so count me out
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Its quite obvious you're winding people up , so count me out
Its just rumor my friend, there were lot of rumors about new console from Sega, but this could be real. Why they need Senior System Administrator or poeple for new design frimware ? For arcade? That is bit unlikely...
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SEGA would be stupid to make another console, they're making a killing on mobile, they have a great presents on PC and steam and many developers who are PC based. Like Creative Assembly, Sports Interactive, Relic, Three Rings and so on.
I think it's incredibly unlikely SEGA are developing a new console, or any hardware... But if there is hardware in the works I expect something like a gaming tablet which runs apps and steam and all that. I would even support that idea.
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I think it's incredibly unlikely SEGA are developing a new console, or any hardware... But if there is hardware in the works I expect something like a gaming tablet which runs apps and steam and all that. I would even support that idea.
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It looks like they are developing new hardware...Mabye u have true with that tablet...
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...is it wrong that every time someone mentions SEGA are now predominantly a mobile company I cringe?
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...is it wrong that every time someone mentions SEGA are now predominantly a mobile company I cringe?
Nope, I hate new Crazy... And they are Arcade company...N.1 in Arcade Machines.
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Nope, I hate new Crazy... And they are Arcade company...N.1 in Arcade Machines.
yeah but arcade are dwindling. being top 3 in mobile is definitly a focus
also that job ad you posted is most likely for some kind larger scale F2P game at most (PSO2 is what most people would want Í guess)
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Apart from the horrible nature of mobile games, (and crap controls etc), I can't help but think these companies shifting solely onto mobile are setting themselves up for a huge fall. The bubble will break eventually. We've already experienced it breaking here in the UK for example.
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also that job ad you posted is most likely for some kind larger scale F2P game at most (PSO2 is what most people would want Í guess)
Yeah, HW engineers, frimware designers and Senior System Administrator are for F2P game....
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...is it wrong that every time someone mentions SEGA are now predominantly a mobile company I cringe?
It's not even true but don't let the media scramble to tell you the truth.
I'd consider them a multimedia company before anything else.
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Doubt this is true. Sega and Nintendo should just merge so they can dominate the console space.
With what? Dead Franchises? No Sequels? Sonic & Mario at the Olympic Games?
Maybe we'll get Company of Heroes Amiibos, the generals are all locked away in Figurines now.
(Sorry I'm being pretty cynical, even by my standards...)
SEGA would be stupid to make another console, they're making a killing on mobile, they have a great presents on PC and steam and many developers who are PC based. Like Creative Assembly, Sports Interactive, Relic, Three Rings and so on.
This. Sega is a Freemium App company now. They make money hand over fist with that stuff, why would they go into something as high risk as consoles? As TA Said, they don't even have any killer apps anymore. Long gone are the days that Sonic was a system seller.
...is it wrong that every time someone mentions SEGA are now predominantly a mobile company I cringe?
Get used to it. I don't like it either, but I haven't been much of a Sega fan for a long while anyway.
Apart from the horrible nature of mobile games, (and crap controls etc), I can't help but think these companies shifting solely onto mobile are setting themselves up for a huge fall. The bubble will break eventually. We've already experienced it breaking here in the UK for example.
It depends, Sega is pretty diverse, but they do have a strong presence in phone games. Makes sense considering how low risk/high reward it is right now. Strike while the iron is hot, and try to keep ahead of the curve as things change. I doubt Mobile Gaming is going to collapse anytime soon, but it will continually be changing.
Most importantly, if Sega did make a console, would anyone here even care? It's not as if Sega publishes enough games (Let alone good games) to warrant buying a console.
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Mang you're way too cynical haha.
I also think having killer apps is a overstatement, if you want to win the console wars you need good relations with third party, the Playstation 4 isn't winning because Sony make the best game in the business (lol DriveClub, lol HD remasters, lol Knack, lol Killzone and lol The Order)
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Get used to it. I don't like it either, but I haven't been much of a Sega fan for a long while anyway
Yep SEGA been dead for years really. Can live in hope that one day Sammy will sell and the old SEGA will return but by then it be too late
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Mang you're way too cynical haha.
I also think having killer apps is a overstatement, if you want to win the console wars you need good relations with third party, the Playstation 4 isn't winning because Sony make the best game in the business (lol DriveClub, lol HD remasters, lol Knack, lol Killzone and lol The Order)
Good point, I'm thinking pretty outdated. Consoles today just need to be the best CoD and Fifa Box (or CoD and Madden box in the US) to win nowadays.
Having said that, the PlayStation brand name is also the biggest asset it has IMO. PlayStation is a synonym for console for many people. I feel more than anything that is their success (and Nintendo and Xbox just doing a terrible job for the most part).
Also, am I too cynical? Or is everyone else just too optimistic?
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I don't think it would interest me to be honest. As you've stated, this SEGA doesn't produce enough good products and the way the consoles are right now, apart from the odd exclusive you'll miss, you're better off buying a PC - which also has loads more exclusives might I add.
We also have the question of do we really need another console? I don't think there's an appetite for it and even Nintendo (mostly they're own fault mind) are having to take a different direction now.
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Yep SEGA been dead for years really. Can live in hope that one day Sammy will sell and the old SEGA will return but by then it be too late
Well,SEGA Is Not Exactly In Financial Ruin, they have good cash flow, Sonic Generations,Alien and Total War are good games...
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Good point, I'm thinking pretty outdated. Consoles today just need to be the best CoD and Fifa Box (or CoD and Madden box in the US) to win nowadays.
Having said that, the PlayStation brand name is also the biggest asset it has IMO. PlayStation is a synonym for console for many people. I feel more than anything that is their success (and Nintendo and Xbox just doing a terrible job for the most part).
Also, am I too cynical? Or is everyone else just too optimistic?
The PlayStation brand didn't save the Vita or the PSP and it wasn't enough to rescue the PlayStation 3 either. I think there is some importance in the brand but it's not what saved Sony this time, they actually designed hardware third parties were happy to work with and an attractive price point for the consumers.
As for being a cynic, I wouldn't call SEGA a mobile only company after we know they have Alien Isolation 2, Dawn of War 3 and Total Warhammer in development.
You throw in stuff like Sonic Boom, 7th Dragon 3 and Tembo and it's not really true. Would we be calling Square or EA mobile only companies too?
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Mang you're way too cynical haha.
I also think having killer apps is a overstatement, if you want to win the console wars you need good relations with third party, the Playstation 4 isn't winning because Sony make the best game in the business (lol DriveClub, lol HD remasters, lol Knack, lol Killzone and lol The Order)
Agree
Good point, I'm thinking pretty outdated. Consoles today just need to be the best CoD and Fifa Box (or CoD and Madden box in the US) to win nowadays.
Yeah,that is true. But, SEGA can make own sport games like before. Or just try apologize to EA for Saturn..
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As for being a cynic, I wouldn't call SEGA a mobile only company after we know they have Alien Isolation 2, Dawn of War 3 and Total Warhammer in development.
You throw in stuff like Sonic Boom, 7th Dragon 3 and Tembo and it's not really true. Would we be calling Square or EA mobile only companies too?
I said they are diverse in an earlier post, but have strong focus on mobile too. I don't think that's unfair. I understand they still publish a lot of console & PC games (although a lot of them I don't care about).
The PlayStation brand didn't save the Vita or the PSP and it wasn't enough to rescue the PlayStation 3 either. I think there is some importance in the brand but it's not what saved Sony this time, they actually designed hardware third parties were happy to work with and an attractive price point for the consumers.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say it's the only thing they did right! I just meant I think it's their strongest asset.
Also wasn't PS3 the best selling console last gen?
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I said they are diverse in an earlier post, but have strong focus on mobile too. I don't think that's unfair. I understand
Also wasn't PS3 the best selling console last gen?
Nope, and they lost lot of money on PS3.... And PS Vita? Just with 4mil? Even Game Gear had 11mil....
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Well,SEGA Is Not Exactly In Financial Ruin, they have good cash flow, Sonic Generations,Alien and Total War are good games...
Don't try to be reasonable, some people don't want to hear it. You could talk about Alien Isolation, SEGA Racing Transformed, Total War, Football Manager, Sonic Generations, Warhammer, Dawn of War, Project Diva, 7th Dragon, PSO2 the inevitable next Sonic game, ATLUS games and many many more... But no 'SEGA only does apps now.'
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Should have known it couldn't beat the Wii in lifetime sales, but it overtook the Xbox 360 which is quite an achievement (no pun intended), considering how abysmal the launch for the PS3 was and how late it released.
Also I was talking purely about home consoles, I know that the PSP and Vita were mis-fires, but that's a different market entirely IMO.
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I said they are diverse in an earlier post, but have strong focus on mobile too. I don't think that's unfair. I understand they still publish a lot of console & PC games (although a lot of them I don't care about).
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say it's the only thing they did right! I just meant I think it's their strongest asset.
Also wasn't PS3 the best selling console last gen?
Well yeah they are diverse but I don't think it's fair to call them one or another. At this point they're a multimedia company above anything else, even a leisure and entertainment company.
I just think it's a false narrative to call them a mostly mobile company like you did, especially as this is one everyone takes seriously when it's really far from the truth. We're bound to get another mainline Yakuza and Sonic game next year, then you have Atlus too.
Also the Playstation 3 is the worst selling console of the last generation.
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Don't try to be reasonable, some people don't want to hear it. You could talk about Alien Isolation, SEGA Racing Transformed, Total War, Football Manager, Sonic Generations, Warhammer, Dawn of War, Project Diva, 7th Dragon, PSO2 the inevitable next Sonic game, ATLUS games and many many more... But no 'SEGA only does apps now.'
Agree
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People that want another Sega hardware don't even understand the motivations behind Sega quitting hardware and their aspirations.
Games as a service being the future, and game boxes being irrelevant, where things they outright said when Dreamcast went kapoof. Today's enviorment of F2P games and the cloud are really the seeds the Dreamcast planted.
Anywho, I'm glad Sega purchased Atlus, in the long term it means Sega still appreciates small innovative experiences,
...we can expect synergy where it makes sense, and it maybe bring good for thing for the Sega side, even in the western world perhaps. Most people see the purchase as a cynical "hah, Sega buys other companies cuz they can't do shit on their own", but really companies dont make a purchase on a whim. Sega lending Suzuki the Shenmue license, and comments of Atlus resurrecting old IP, means Sega will perhaps get more free in the future of giving people what they still ask for so long.
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Well yeah they are diverse but I don't think it's fair to call them one or another. At this point they're a multimedia company above anything else, even a leisure and entertainment company.
I just think it's a false narrative to call them a mostly mobile company like you did, especially as this is one everyone takes seriously when it's really far from the truth. We're bound to get another mainline Yakuza and Sonic game next year, then you have Atlus too.
Also the Playstation 3 is the worst selling console of the last generation.
I was going to say they are diverse with all their production studios and potentially branching off into gambling etc more, but I figured we were talking purely about games right now.
Again, I said they are diversified. Part of that is mobile.
I do hang shit on them for Freemium Apps a lot, but we both know that I'm aware of their console/PC output (even if I have little interest in most of those games too).
As for PS3, point me to where this is? Not doubting you, since I don't follow this stuff very closely at all and you do, but I literally just searched for information on that and found a piece talking about how PS3 overtook Xbox 360 in 2014 in lifetime sales.
I'm genuinely interested in reading which sold best.
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Anywho, I'm glad Sega purchased Atlus, in the long term it means Sega still appreciates small innovative experiences,
That's a nice way of looking at it. I figure it means Sega appreciates established franchises it can keep making sequels for.
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That's a nice way of looking at it. I figure it means Sega appreciates established franchises it can keep making sequels for.
Sega have to buy PlatinumGames ... Coz Bayonneta is amazing.... They have big potential
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Maybe Sega will be innovative and crowdfound Bayonetta 3 through a F2P Bayonetta phone game.
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Don't try to be reasonable, some people don't want to hear it. You could talk about Alien Isolation, SEGA Racing Transformed, Total War, Football Manager, Sonic Generations, Warhammer, Dawn of War, Project Diva, 7th Dragon, PSO2 the inevitable next Sonic game, ATLUS games and many many more... But no 'SEGA only does apps now.'
It's a shame really. In my opinion, their recent output has been far better and although they're not out of the consoles market completely, they do seem to be shying away from it.
Although, I would add I would like to see SEGA go after little projects more. Daedlic seem to be the only publishers who actually chase after these talented studios and help them. Daedalic are definitely being rewarded for their efforts too.
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Sega have to buy PlatinumGames ... Coz Bayonneta is amazing.... They have big potential
They didn't even publish Bayonetta 2. Besides they still own the IP regardless of what Platinum does.
It's a shame really. In my opinion, their recent output has been far better and although they're not out of the consoles market completely, they do seem to be shying away from it.
Although, I would add I would like to see SEGA go after little projects more. Daedlic seem to be the only publishers who actually chase after these talented studios and help them. Daedalic are definitely being rewarded for their efforts too.
There are others out there, look at Devolver Digital (Hotline Miami, Shadow Warrior, Luftrausers) and even Ubisoft with their smaller projects.
Sega arguably does it too with stuff like Tembo.
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Don't try to be reasonable, some people don't want to hear it. You could talk about Alien Isolation, SEGA Racing Transformed, Total War, Football Manager, Sonic Generations, Warhammer, Dawn of War, Project Diva, 7th Dragon, PSO2 the inevitable next Sonic game, ATLUS games and many many more... But no 'SEGA only does apps now.'
It's more like you don't want to hear it Sharky . Never said SEGA is skint or going to the wall. But as console games developer SEGA is all but dead and like Konami its best days are well behind it and its a shell of its former self. You know the likes of 7th Dragon and Sonic Racing aren't even In-House , PS02 is never ever coming to the west much like most of SEGA Japan output these days (what there is) never mind like Sonic Generations is years old now .
I used to love and remember the old SEGA that was offered the best games on consoles and used to lead the field in the Arcades, and had a great PC output too , other than PC that SEGA is dead . All you see to care about is SEGA making money, lots of corps make money
[/quote]Nope, and they lost lot of money on PS3
Sony made money on the PS3 after some 3 years of losses and in the end it beat the 360 for sales and its also won the format war and so SONY is making lovely money on BluRay sales and even got the likes of MS paying roytaies for the pleasure of using BluRay
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They didn't even publish Bayonetta 2. Besides they still own the IP regardless of what Platinum does
Yeah and never mind Bay II floped at retail and Platnium games made no diff no Wii U sales .All Platinum games tend to flop and I bet MS XBox One Platnium game will be a flop too
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They didn't even publish Bayonetta 2. Besides they still own the IP regardless of what Platinum does.
I know, Nintendo saved Bayonetta 2....
"Sony made money on the PS3 after some 3 years of losses and in the end it beat the 360 for sales and its also won the format war and so SONY is making lovely money on BluRay sales and even got the likes of MS paying roytaies for the pleasure of using BluRay"
And? Sony is about bankrupt in near future. Sony isnt just playstation....
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You know the likes of 7th Dragon and Sonic Racing aren't even In-House ,
[/quote]Nope, and they lost lot of money on PS3
The newest one is, I think. Didn't you praise stuff like Deep Fear its the development same set up for 7th Dragon games and the newer Shining
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And? Sony is about bankrupt in near future. Sony isnt just playstation
Nope . That's and SONY is selling off its loss making arms and back in soon to be back in profit . Its the PC arm and Mobile phones that cost SONY billions
Didn't you praise stuff like Deep Fear its the development same set up for 7th Dragon games and the newer Shining
Deep Fear was a In-House title and also a well funded console title . I'm not a massive fan of the Shining games myself, but the only way fan of the series will be happy is SEGA get Camerlot back on to make them and have said as much . And the glory days of SEGA all their mobile/HH games were 99% outsourced while the main SEGA Japanese teams worked on the console titles
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I don't think you need Camelot to reboot a good old SRPG Shining game, you have a perfectly good in-house team that created Valkyria Chronicles. I think they could handle a new Shining 3D game, with 80's anime cel shaded graphics just fine. I think they would put the Fire Emblem games to shame if SEGA pushed the product (how is Awakening going to sell 2 million and VC sell less (by now its getting to 2 million thanks to the new PC port).
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Deep Fear was a In-House title and also a well funded console title . I'm not a massive fan of the Shining games myself, but the only way fan of the series will be happy is SEGA get Camerlot back on to make them and have said as much . And the glory days of SEGA all their mobile/HH games were 99% outsourced while the main SEGA Japanese teams worked on the console titles
The producers were in house but not anything beyond. The staff is linked to the likes of System Sacom that made Torico/Lunacy on Saturn.
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[quote]I don't think you need Camelot to reboot a good old SRPG Shining game, you have a perfectly good in-house team that created Valkyria Chronicles
You know the way fans of games are . Unless SEGA put Camerlot to work in a Shinning 'Force' game , most will not want to know. The Val Team are ace and they had a ace engine . Shame SEGA Japan will never really put them to work on a next gen title
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The producers were in house but not anything beyond. The staff is linked to the likes of System Sacom that made Torico/Lunacy on Saturn.
It was CS2 title and was a In-House production . But like Capcom did with Code Veronica, Climax with Blue Stinger or SEGA with Streets of Rage 1 and II, Shenmue and a host of other titles outside staff helped out with the work load and coding
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I was going to say they are diverse with all their production studios and potentially branching off into gambling etc more, but I figured we were talking purely about games right now.
Again, I said they are diversified. Part of that is mobile.
I do hang shit on them for Freemium Apps a lot, but we both know that I'm aware of their console/PC output (even if I have little interest in most of those games too).
As for PS3, point me to where this is? Not doubting you, since I don't follow this stuff very closely at all and you do, but I literally just searched for information on that and found a piece talking about how PS3 overtook Xbox 360 in 2014 in lifetime sales.
I'm genuinely interested in reading which sold best.
We are talking about games but a significantly amount of resources has gone into resort building, virtual reality technology and entertainment machines (both gambling and traditional gaming) all being pumped into it which is why I'd rather refer SEGA as a whole a multimedia company. I don't think they'll head to being a gambling only company though.
But if we want to strictly talk about their gaming capabilities I don't think it's fair to say that they focus primarily in mobile either. Their biggest allocation of resources still happen to be the traditional gaming market.
Its hard to pinpoint the final figure and really it's guess work from everyone. But Microsoft confirmed the Xbox 360 overtook the Wii's American sales and with UK to back it up its not a hard stretch to say it was the number 2 console last gen.
It's a shame really. In my opinion, their recent output has been far better and although they're not out of the consoles market completely, they do seem to be shying away from it.
Although, I would add I would like to see SEGA go after little projects more. Daedlic seem to be the only publishers who actually chase after these talented studios and help them. Daedalic are definitely being rewarded for their efforts too.
If this was 2013 I would agree with you but their mobile output had reduced and their retail output has increased.
I don't think they're shying away from console/handheld development, just the extremely risky ventures.
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It was CS2 title and was a In-House production . But like Capcom did with Code Veronica, Climax with Blue Stinger or SEGA with Streets of Rage 1 and II, Shenmue and a host of other titles outside staff helped out with the work load and coding
True enough, "production" is always done inhouse. 7th Dragon, Platinum Games, Fighting Climax etc. is also done the same way by CS3. At Sega there are always producers, sound producers etc. that are part of the game.
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It's more like you don't want to hear it Sharky . Never said SEGA is skint or going to the wall. But as console games developer SEGA is all but dead and like Konami its best days are well behind it and its a shell of its former self. You know the likes of 7th Dragon and Sonic Racing aren't even In-House , PS02 is never ever coming to the west much like most of SEGA Japan output these days (what there is) never mind like Sonic Generations is years old now .
I used to love and remember the old SEGA that was offered the best games on consoles and used to lead the field in the Arcades, and had a great PC output too , other than PC that SEGA is dead . All you see to care about is SEGA making money, lots of corps make money
I didn't even mention money. I mentioned console and PC games... Because people keep going on about SEGA going mobile only despite the clear as day fact that they aren't...
What I care about is SEGA producing and developing great games... And they still do. Hell, there isn't anything I'm looking forward too more than Total War Warhammer from any publisher. Except of course Shenmue 3. TW:Warhammer has the three game, one world scope of Shining Force 3 and looks incredible.
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What I care about is SEGA producing and developing great games... And they still do. Hell, there isn't anything I'm looking forward too more than Total War Warhammer from any publisher. Except of course Shenmue 3. TW:Warhammer has the three game, one world scope of Shining Force 3 and looks incredible.
Yeah, I still believe in SEGA... And its bad we can play PSO2 only in Japan... I love PSO....
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I don't know what is stopping Japanese games from coming over, while I generally agree that some aren't as marketable as, lets say, Hatsune Miku, or whatever, I do feel that SEGA America's marketing has been shit (even for western titles) for a long time. Isolation sales vs Europe sales are prove of that. I really hope they fix it but probably won't as most people there don't see a issue with marketing.
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Sega arcade staff being nominated for engineering and game design for the sand sculpting game and the continued expansions of card arcade game Sangoku Taisen
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150701_709696.html (http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150701_709696.html)
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True enough, "production" is always done inhouse. 7th Dragon, Platinum Games, Fighting Climax etc. is also done the same way by CS3. At Sega there are always producers, sound producers etc. that are part of the game.
Lets not even try and kid ourselves that production on Platinum games was done In-House at SEGA and the likes of 7th Dragon are nothing like Deep Fear really. Deep Fear was a Big production and money thrown on the project , not like the cheaper safer way of making a HH title . Everybody see's Ikaruga as a Treasure game even though G-Rev helped out with the coding , I really know of no-one that gives the likes of SEGA or Konami the credit for Guardian Heroes or Gradius V they're always seen as Treasure titles same goes for Capcom and Code Veronica (even thought outside help was done on the coding) , mind you I guess it can work both ways as no-one see's Daytona USA 2001 as Genki title even though they did most of work
I didn't even mention money. I mentioned console and PC games... Because people keep going on about SEGA going mobile only despite the clear as day fact that they aren't
Its clear as day SEGA Japan are and you can highlight the odd PC title here and there , but it doesn't cover the fact that most of SEGA Japan is going mobile , its obvious to anyway other than you that's the direction SEGA Japan is going. Next you'll be making out that becasue some 3rd parties make the odd Wii U game that counts as develoers backing the system
SEGA make a few Vita games that doesn't mean its going to get serious backing or is the direction SEGA is going in . Its quite clear SEGA Japan is all for Mobile that the direction they're heading and backing the most
What I care about is SEGA producing and developing great games... And they still do. Hell, there isn't anything I'm looking forward too more than Total War Warhammer from any publisher. Except of course Shenmue 3
What good games are SEGA Japan making at the mo and lets not even count Shenmue III as other than the rights SEGA is doing so odd to the title ?. You tell me what amazing looking PC/Console games were can expect from SEGA Japan this year ?
I agree with you about Warhammer btw, that shows you when a developer is allowed to spend big and not make a bloody hh or mobile game, but a AAA PC game with a serious tech to pwoer it . I only wish SEGA Japan once great studios were allowed to do the same on the PC/Consoles
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Sega arcade staff being nominated for engineering and game design for the sand sculpting game and the continued expansions of card arcade game Sangoku Taisen
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150701_709696.html (http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150701_709696.html)
Not big suprise, Sega is n.1 in Arcade Machines. I am happy they have talented engineers. And they are hiring new taletned people... Mabye they are really developing console or some new hw.
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Lets not even try and kid ourselves that production on Platinum games was done In-House at SEGA and the likes of 7th Dragon are nothing like Deep Fear really. Deep Fear was a Big production and money thrown on the project , not like the cheaper safer way of making a HH title . Everybody see's Ikaruga as a Treasure game even though G-Rev helped out with the coding , I really know of no-one that gives the likes of SEGA or Konami the credit for Guardian Heroes or Gradius V they're always seen as Treasure titles same goes for Capcom and Code Veronica (even thought outside help was done on the coding) , mind you I guess it can work both ways as no-one see's Daytona USA 2001 as Genki title even though they did most of work
This is not a case of of how much money is thrown at the project, but simply a case of arrangement of staff. Scale of development for a Saturn game like Deep Fear is actually rather similar to PSP game I would say. On the PSP, Sega has many co-development projecs like that.
http://segaretro.org/System_Sacom (http://segaretro.org/System_Sacom)
Deep Fear's lineage is clearly from the Sega CD game Mansion of the Hidden Souls.
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This is not a case of of how much money is thrown at the project, but simply a case of arrangement of staff. Scale of development for a Saturn game like Deep Fear is actually rather similar to PSP game I would say
Missing the point I feel . In the Mega Drive days I would hardly get hyped for a Game gear game compared to a big budget Mega Drive or Mega CD SEGA title , What would I rather a Panzer Dragoon game on the Gamegear or one on the Saturn ?. That's the point Im trying to make .. If 7th Dragon was PS4 In-House title I'll be well hyped, its not and its let again SEGA Japan doing stuff on the cheap and the easy way out
HH games are low cost and far less risk (thought yes all games are a risk and cost money) and in the days when SEGA was Hardware player it was all for console In-House production while almost all its Handheld games were outsoruced. The old SEGA wouldn't be having its top teams making mobile games .
Deep Fear's lineage is clearly from the Sega CD game Mansion of the Hidden Souls
It was a CS 2 game but like with a lot of games coding was outsouced . Do you see Datona USA 2001 as a SEGA title or a Genki one ? and I seem to remember Genki handling the coding for Get Bass onthe DC too . Lots of SEGA In-House games used coding help from the Sims too , even the likes of Shenmue
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Missing the point I feel . In the Mega Drive days I would hardly get hyped for a Game gear game compared to a big budget Mega Drive or Mega CD SEGA title , What would I rather a Panzer Dragoon game on the Gamegear or one on the Saturn ?. That's the point Im trying to make .. If 7th Dragon was PS4 In-House title I'll be well hyped, its not and its let again SEGA Japan doing stuff on the cheap and the easy way out
Well Japan has gone like that with DS and PSP. Square Enix and Nintendo releases were as important as console titles
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Maybe it's a licensed handheld system, just like the Neo Geo X...
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Maybe it's a licensed handheld system, just like the Neo Geo X...
Ewww, that was really bad :(
If they do something like that, I hope they would do it right. Having said that, there's already a bunch of Sega handhelds and retro consoles, most of which aren't very good, and certainly not as good as an emulator or the original hardware.
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Well Japan has gone like that with DS and PSP. Square Enix and Nintendo releases were as important as console titles
The huge difference is Square also back consoles and have some serious tech to power its games. I seeing none of that with SEGA Japan . Like I say I never got excited when SEGA was making a new GG game , far more intresrted in what was the latest Mega Drive game SEGA had planned