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Title: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 04, 2015, 11:56:28 am
https://www.change.org/p/sega-of-america-to-design-and-release-a-sega-dreamcast-limited-edition-console

It all started in Melborne Australia(A country RICH in its SEGA fandom) back in June 2014, and was virtually ignored during the Shenmue 3 KS  hoopla, but something is happening. As of December 3,2015, Fan Petitions for SEGA to develop and release a Niche NEOGEO style version of Dreamcast(meaning Dreamcast 2 in a niche market form) has suddenly gained momentum. Not only that, but the Fan who started the Shenmue 3 petition 1 year ago is now FULLY endorsing the idea!!!!


Yup. The SAME group behind getting the Shenmue 3 KS is endorsing and supporting the idea of SEGA releasing another Dreamcast, but having it done in a Niche form.




 http://www.shenmue500k.co.uk/shenmue-the-dreamcast-and-the-intertwined-fate/






What it happening? What's going on. Just 2 days ago it finally reached 10,000 after 14 months of activity, but now,its ALREADY hitting 20,000?






Maybe its the inspiration of the Shemnue 3 KS. Maybe its what Satomi said back in July, maybe its the code language and subliminals spoken by SEGA's executives. Maybe its the Sega 2016 promo video(any Sega fan would feel emotion from it) Maybe its the mysterious "Sega Cyclone".


There's a coalition out there. And I look forward to seeing MILLIONS of TRUE SEGA fans letting they're voices be heard by SEGA Holdings,Ltd that THERE is a market for another Dreamcast SKU in NICHE form.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Randroid on December 04, 2015, 01:26:22 pm
Hell Yeah, I was shocked with the limited release of the NEO GEO console. DC2 deserves this.

Petition signed!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 04, 2015, 02:20:59 pm
Hell Yeah, I was shocked with the limited release of the NEO GEO console. DC2 deserves this.

Petition signed!

I signed it months ago.

Part of the idea is to re-release the DC in the same form as the NeoGeo handheld, the other is for SEGA to actually make a Dreamcast 2 and market and sell it in the same league on how the NEOGEO was originally sold back in the 90s: In NICHE form.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 04, 2015, 02:40:47 pm
This is getting ridiculous...
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: CrazyT on December 04, 2015, 02:42:41 pm
This is hilarious
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: FlareHabanero on December 04, 2015, 03:09:57 pm
New Seaman game on the Dreamcast 2 or we riot!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 04, 2015, 03:21:31 pm
I like how he's said it'll be a success...because.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 04, 2015, 03:24:45 pm
The extent of the letter being sent to SEGA of America:

(http://i.imgur.com/qBuRuak.png)

And let us not forget that SEGA of America has been downgraded to digital titles and rely on Atlus for PR other services. People are sending that letter seen above to a division of SEGA that has nothing to do with hardware decisions.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 04, 2015, 03:26:48 pm
This is getting ridiculous...

How?

Sega can't do ANYTHING hardware related in your eyes?Not EVEN a Neo Geo like handheld or Niche platform?

*Sigh.

Yes, they CAN.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 04, 2015, 03:30:16 pm
Please, explain how this petition would actually do a damn thing?


(Typing words in all CAPS like "CAN" and "WILL" does not count)
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 04, 2015, 03:30:34 pm
The extent of the letter being sent to SEGA of America:

(http://i.imgur.com/qBuRuak.png)

And let us not forget that SEGA of America has been downgraded to digital titles and rely on Atlus for PR other services. People are sending that letter seen above to a division of SEGA that has nothing to do with hardware decisions.

I believe the idea is to ask Sega of America to talk to Japan about the prospects and ideas.


This petition is over a year old. This was WELL before Sega Interactive and Sega Holdings.


Boy, the idea of Sega doing ANYTHING hardware related really brings out the cycnical pessimism in some people.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 04, 2015, 03:32:40 pm
EternalHope, the problem is you are choosing the most out there nutty approaches to SEGA making new hardware.

A petition which will send a sentence long letter to SEGA of America so that they will pass the word along to SEGA Japan that people want a Limited Edition Dreamcast?

What is the point?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 04, 2015, 03:33:27 pm
It's not a case of not believing they can. It's a case of not being in a position too.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 04, 2015, 03:36:38 pm
EternalHope, the problem is you are choosing the most out there nutty approaches to SEGA making new hardware.

A petition which will send a sentence long letter to SEGA of America so that they will pass the word along to SEGA Japan that people want a Limited Edition Dreamcast?

What is the point?

To inform Sega  of Japan that there's a NICHE market for another home consumer product. The fact that its now being endorsed by the same group behind the Shenmue 3 KS idea speaks volumes.

Also, this was made in 2014 by an Australian SEGA fan. I didn't make this.

Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 04, 2015, 03:39:04 pm
It's not a case of not believing they can. It's a case of not being in a position too.

Yes they are.

Valve can do it. Ouya can and even SNK, but not Sega?


Why do people look at Sega as this small,worthless company
with no money when they have $12 billion in Cash Flow?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 04, 2015, 03:42:33 pm
You just answered why we don't think SEGA needs a Dreamcast 2. They have the money to support themselves. They do not need to spend all this money in development of another home console.

And think about it, a Dreamcast HD or Dreamcast 2 doesn't just happen overnight. There would be an insane amount of paperwork, building up of resources SEGA dissolved in 2001, rights issues with games, and then you have the whole thing of SEGA having to make their own online ecosystem to sell the games (assuming they go digital). And if the thing just uses the discs people already own... again, what is the point? The original Dreamcast already exists with VGA output and can play the entire library.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 04, 2015, 03:52:53 pm
Yes they are.

Valve can do it. Ouya can and even SNK, but not Sega?


Why do people look at Sega as this small,worthless company
with no money when they have $12 billion in Cash Flow?

There's a huge difference between this and what those companies did. Valve already had the library sitting there and the Ouya was android based and easily ported. I know nothing of the SNK, so can't comment.

However, as Barry said, creating a Dreamcast 2 would require an awful lot of work before even getting to production. It simply wouldn't be worth it. If Sega wanted to create their own store like Steam and a controller, I'd be happy mind :)
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 04, 2015, 04:00:08 pm
Valve, Ouya and SNK worked using completely industry standard parts, readily available and cheap to acquire.

The GD-ROM alone, which has been discontinued for years would jack up the price in just having to restart the limited run production line for it.

Ignoring additional investment into software and infrastructure in order for the download portion and add to the fact that several large games that people would want such as shenmue probably wouldn't show up anyway due to IP issues.

I'm actually not opposed to Sega producing a niche little machine. ARM based small box for around $150 or less to emulate their console back catalogues if it would get them to digitize more of their titles. But this specific petition proposal I can't see profiting in any sense.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: MykonosFan on December 04, 2015, 04:41:07 pm
We can barely get SEGA to see the value in re-releasing their classic titles from that era, yet people expect them to make a completely  out of left field hardware investment like this? Good luck. I'm not against the idea, I'd be quite happy with something like it. But I'd be quite happy with a lot of things that SEGA also won't do.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Trippled on December 04, 2015, 04:42:50 pm

Why do people look at Sega as this small,worthless company
with no money when they have $12 billion in Cash Flow?

Because of the little presence they have in the western core gaming market.
People think Atlus is thriving business just because they release games that people are looking forward too.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 04, 2015, 08:31:09 pm
You just answered why we don't think SEGA needs a Dreamcast 2. They have the money to support themselves. They do not need to spend all this money in development of another home console.

And think about it, a Dreamcast HD or Dreamcast 2 doesn't just happen overnight. There would be an insane amount of paperwork, building up of resources SEGA dissolved in 2001, rights issues with games, and then you have the whole thing of SEGA having to make their own online ecosystem to sell the games (assuming they go digital). And if the thing just uses the discs people already own... again, what is the point? The original Dreamcast already exists with VGA output and can play the entire library.

Alot of what you just typed has already transpired.

Sega already revived their R&D division with "N Pro" and both Sega Interactive ,Ltd and Sega Live Creation will activly be involved with Reasearch & Development.

They don't need to spin money on a another product yet its okay for them to keep supporting a software business too competitive and too costly?

I don't understand the logic.

SEGA should be profitable and sucessful. Just because gaming journalists and a younger generation of console gamers believe that there's no market for SEGA hardware doesn't mean what they believe is factual nor do they have proof it would fail.

Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Centrale on December 04, 2015, 10:43:32 pm
maybe its the code language and subliminals spoken by SEGA's executives.

Listen bud, I say this with compassion... that's kind of a paranoid line of thinking. Like Sega is secretly sending messages to you about a new console? No company is going to be using "subliminal messages" or "code language" to hint at a potential mainstream consumer product. Like a viral marketing campaign would be one thing, but this is kind of a unhealthy idea.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Sharky on December 04, 2015, 11:20:31 pm
It has picked up steam because I have seen it being shared in various SEGA communities on Facebook... Will it ever happen? Hahahahahahaaa.....
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 05, 2015, 01:03:36 pm
Already nearing 21,000 and still going up.


The Shemnue 3 group endorsement seems to be causing this.



Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 05, 2015, 01:22:00 pm


I'm actually not opposed to Sega producing a niche little machine. ARM based small box for around $150 or less to emulate their console back catalogues if it would get them to digitize more of their titles. But this specific petition proposal I can't see profiting in any sense.


Do you have any statics or internal numbers that can prove that it wouldn't?


People make claims that SEGA will fail, but do they even know for sure themselves with actual proof, or its it just assumptions based on old,tired hyperbole?


It's the latter. Because gamers don't know the first thing about how its determined a product will perform or sell in the market. Its not word of mouth, its RESEARCH, INTERNAL TEST MARKETING.

Those are what makes or breaks a product. Not just because of a majority opinion among one consumer base or what a game journalist says. This is what helped iPhone defy the odds against it back in late 2006/early 2007 and NES in 1985. The Consumers have the final say and console gamers are not the only demographic out there, nor do they know what people really like.

Listen bud, I say this with compassion... that's kind of a paranoid line of thinking. Like Sega is secretly sending messages to you about a new console? No company is going to be using "subliminal messages" or "code language" to hint at a potential mainstream consumer product. Like a viral marketing campaign would be one thing, but this is kind of a unhealthy idea.


I am not paranoid. I know how business works. How investors think. I ignore gamers and journalists because they don't.


SEGA clearly has been hinting at its older fans that it wants to do hardware again at some point in the future. People can deny this as much as they want. But I happen to know corporate speak.





SEGA is in far better shape financially then they even were in 1991. You know why they were so successful during the early 90s? Because they took risks. Doing nothing but publishing console titles that underperfom and compete against a too competitive, too costly software market is NOT taking risks.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 05, 2015, 01:38:54 pm
There is nothing hyperbolistic about saying the quantity and availability of components in a product affect its price. That's basic Econ 101/Economies of scale.

I also never said Sega or Sega hardware would fail, I said this specific proposition is unlikely to yield much if anything at all due to the above reason. GD-ROM Drives have been out of production for at least a decade, no one makes them anymore, unlike the other examples you gave where such parts were readily available on a mass scale.

You probably should be throwing proof around yourself as vaguely worded trademarks are hardly the beacons of any sort of wild extrapolation you like to pull out of them. There's also that pesky little part where investment actually works less on "Proof" than it does speculation(at least the stock market anyway.). People invest in something not because they necessarily have proof that they will see a return or because it is written to be successful, but because based on available facts or projections and given the current environment they can forsee such a path and are taking a risk in it.

 
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 05, 2015, 01:51:46 pm
There is nothing hyperbolistic about saying the quantity and availability of components in a product affect its price. That's basic Econ 101/Economies of scale.
You probably should be throwing proof around yourself as vaguely worded trademarks are hardly the beacons of any sort of wild
I also never said Sega or Sega hardware would fail, I said this specific proposition is unlikely to yield much if anything at all due to the above reason. GD-ROM Drives have been out of production for at least a decade, no one makes them anymore, unlike the other examples you gave where such parts were readily available on a mass scale.
extrapolation you like to pull out of them.





 What your claiming about BOM(Bill of Materials and Budget costs) is short sided. Hyperbole is people claiming Sega would fail, "because they don't have money" or "nobody will buy it". Throwing around negative talking points with no substance or proven fact is called "hyperbole". I did not claim you were talking hyperbole.


Research and Development is what determines the BOM price. That's what its for.


Regarding GD-ROM, SEGA is steadfastly protecting the Dreamcast and the Saturn. They also produced the NAOMI until 2005. It's very easy to format an unlicensed GD-ROM master from the ground up. GD-ROM is basically CD HC ROM. DC games can easily be reproduced without GD ROM.


Trademarks are not broad. And the "basic knowledge" that people claim to have is shallow at best. Intellectual Property itself is much more akin and complex then what someone might assume. The Worldwide Intellectual Property Organization is the foremost Global Office for ALL business trade and handles Intellectual Property worldwide in accordance to United Nations. ANYTHING on it should taken very very seriously and not just "dismissed as a broad trademark".




When I bring up the WIPO, I'm bringing up the most comprehensive database for business and services regarding SEGA's future.





Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 05, 2015, 02:55:37 pm
BOM is in partial determined by R&D. The Engineering and Service BOM's for example can be accurately determined in R&D, but the Manufacturing and order BOM's can change. There is also the fact hat BOM are not the only factor in determining pricing, though it is a large one. You also have to consider transportation costs, packaging among some other options below for the pricing on the end product

Build to order vs Build to stock
Natural distastes (See Thai HDD Flooding and Memory pricing after SK Fire)
Too much demand and little supply
Too little demand and too much supply
Too little demand AND too little supply
Trouble requisitions
Troubled manufacturing
Changes in component material
and more.

All of the above can affect the pricing of components and end products.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Centrale on December 05, 2015, 03:32:31 pm

I am not paranoid. I know how business works. How investors think. I ignore gamers and journalists because they don't. SEGA clearly has been hinting at its older fans that it wants to do hardware again at some point in the future. People can deny this as much as they want. But I happen to know corporate speak.

Whatever, dude. From time to time, guys like you (yes, only males do this) show up and act like you know more than anyone else. It's funny for a while but eventually gets really stale. I'm not out to prove anything to you or win any arguments. But it rubs me the wrong way when people who are essentially just consumers like anyone else, albeit fanatical Sega fans, start thinking they know what is going on in the minds of Sega executives. You've got your theories, ideas, wishes, whatever... that's cool, but don't try to act like you're some kind of brainiac who's here to teach everyone else a thing or two about what's "really" going on. You're sitting back and watching from a consumer perspective, period. It's cool to come up with predictions, hypotheses, etc. but don't try to condescend.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 06, 2015, 03:50:46 am
Whatever, dude. From time to time, guys like you (yes, only males do this) show up and act like you know more than anyone else. It's funny for a while but eventually gets really stale. I'm not out to prove anything to you or win any arguments. But it rubs me the wrong way when people who are essentially just consumers like anyone else, albeit fanatical Sega fans, start thinking they know what is going on in the minds of Sega executives. You've got your theories, ideas, wishes, whatever... that's cool, but don't try to act like you're some kind of brainiac who's here to teach everyone else a thing or two about what's "really" going on. You're sitting back and watching from a consumer perspective, period. It's cool to come up with predictions, hypotheses, etc. but don't try to condescend.


I'm not a game consumer. I haven't even purchased a game console in 10 years. My stepdad happens to own a business and my younger brother is a Litigation Attorney. I happen to work with different business groups and have spoken to plenty of investors(being employed in the 5 Star Hotel business has its perks)


There's no reason to put words in my mouth. I didn't say I know more, and did not say you were using hyperbole. Its what I've heard a million times before.


I'm frankly tired of the same hyperbole used over and over and over again. That's getting redundant.




THEY keep saying they know for sure Sega will never make another platform. And that people like me are deluded,stupid,wrong and crazy. THEY act like soreheads(pretty much this whole generation of console gamers) and try to come across as informative, but instead come off as biased,mean spirited, uniformed and just plain pedantic.




When your constantly chastised and told your wrong by fans who get instantly irate and offended at the VERY idea  or prospect of SEGA doing ANYTHING hardware related and told the same talking points, there's an obvious problem: they're so comfortable about how they see Sega currently as a brand, that anything outside of that is both nonexistant and meaningless and that the idea of going into a territory Sega once tried and fell short in its too much change for them they don't want.


Alot of this is also because most of these fans are fanboys of other companies claiming to be Sega fans. Most of them didn't grow up in the 90s, they see Sega as what they were in the 2000s. They don't want Sega as a competitor to their favorite console maker so they convince themselves SEGA is a small worthless,publisher that "Nintendo" could easily buy and that they have no money for anything because "they aren't giving us what we want". There's also this misconception that SEGA is just games,games and nothing else.


BTW, Plato's petition is growing. its now at nearly 22,000 sigs. If it reaches its goal, there will certainly be dozens and dozens of other petitions popping up all over the place.


BOM is in partial determined by R&D. The Engineering and Service BOM's for example can be accurately determined in R&D, but the Manufacturing and order BOM's can change. There is also the fact hat BOM are not the only factor in determining pricing, though it is a large one. You also have to consider transportation costs, packaging among some other options below for the pricing on the end productBuild to order vs Build to stockNatural distastes (See Thai HDD Flooding and Memory pricing after SK Fire)Too much demand and little supplyToo little demand and too much supplyToo little demand AND too little supplyTrouble requisitionsTroubled manufacturingChanges in component materialand more.All of the above can affect the pricing of components and end products.



I'm aware of all that. Except SEGA uses Arcade parts and components. They don't build consoles from scratch.(Doing so is extremely risky and often too steep in budget shortfalls especially with PC parts) They sold most of their old platforms(except Dreamcast) at a profit.(which is why they made so many SKUs).


The reason why DC was sold at a loss is because the SH-4 was not used in the silicon market. It was a prototype Computer that was being used in Hybrid Cars.

Budgets determine BOM,manufacturing and shipping prices. Dreamcast was probably the lowest budget console of its time. Yet it was still manufactured heavily and built with fairly modest quality. It also never had a single shortage.

Regarding shortages of units, that's why 2nd party OEMs existed. They helped suppress that. With 2nd party OEM parts, its easier to get the schematics said console manufacturer wants as well as keep supply high.

SEGA NEVER really lost any money or operating losses on their home consumer business. That's actually the biggest myth about them. Their global core Amusement Arcade business tanked along with the global Arcade market collapse of the mid 1990s. Because of that, SEGA's core profit and revenue dried, and they stopped having cash flow. The home console business WAS profitable. It just wasn't enough to sustain the whole company which was pretty small at the time.

Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: fernandeath on December 06, 2015, 04:01:35 am
Signed.
Even though I'm pessimist about this...
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 10, 2015, 03:15:32 pm
Nearing 22,000 sigs and still going. The Shenmue 3 group's endorsement is what got it going.


Also Project-Dream.com is coming soon. It'll be a new conduit for SEGA fans to share ideas and testimonials about what they'd like to see in a new Sega platform.(With discussions with actual OEM companies).
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 13, 2015, 06:36:24 pm
Just got finished with a chat with the man behind the Shenmue 3 KS on FB.


I'm going to be joining him and Plato forming this new circle.


We've got some proposals and prospects for Sega that may actually work and prove successful in the target market.


Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 13, 2015, 08:59:57 pm
Cool. When the three of you cough up about a billion dollars to SEGA, you're nearly there.

Let me know how it goes etc.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 13, 2015, 09:15:52 pm
Cool. When the three of you cough up about a billion dollars to SEGA, you're nearly there.

Let me know how it goes etc.


It's not going to cost billions. More like $400-500 million.


About the same budget as DC(which was the lowest budgeted console project Sega ever made.)
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 13, 2015, 09:28:17 pm
The console will, but you'll need controllers, R&D, online systems, contracts with hardware companies, exclusive games and marketing. It'll soon add up. If you have 500 million on the three of you, that's great though. SEGA will be pleased.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 13, 2015, 09:43:40 pm
The console will, but you'll need controllers, R&D, online systems, contracts with hardware companies, exclusive games and marketing. It'll soon add up. If you have 500 million on the three of you, that's great though. SEGA will be pleased.


We know that already. Plus SEGA already has money. $11.6 billion in cash flow(even more than they had in 1993) because they haven't spent very much on R&D the past 5 years.(Because they've been releasing less,less and less console titles and more and more mobile titles there's no telling how much equity they've saved up.)
http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/PINX/SGAMY/quote.html

Plus, its not going to be traditional console at all. Not aimed at the traditional market in anyway.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 14, 2015, 01:32:24 am
Then what is it going to be?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 14, 2015, 07:41:56 am
The actual man behind the Shenmue 3 Kickstarter or the fan who made a petition and thinks he was responsible for the Shenmue 3 Kickstarter?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Mengels7 on December 14, 2015, 02:38:50 pm
Then what is it going to be?

He thinks there is some market of casual gamers who love mobile games but want a console to play mobile-like games but not the current consoles that are out there, based on his previous posts. Or some niche machine that plays old Sega material and new stuff. It's hard to follow. It was funny at first but it's starting to get annoying. He thinks being able to recite Sega's finances in every post makes him somewhat less delusional about the whole situation.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 14, 2015, 02:42:08 pm
Huh. If that's the market he's aiming for, then it doesn't exist nor would I want SEGA to go for it personally.  Nintendo managed to target it with the Wii, but at a huge cost to their reputation and fans.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 14, 2015, 02:57:39 pm
Then what is it going to be?


Either a $250-300 Steam-like machine(its easy to find PC OEM parts cheaper,BETTER optimized and more powerful than AMD Jaguar, because mind you, Jaguar is basically just Bulldozer with better optimization and an R10 GPU, with a max performance of 256 MBs of 8 GBs of GDD5 RAM which is on par with Intel Duo-Core Wolfdale a Desktop CPU from 2008. That is truly pathetic.)


Or a Netbook/Ultrabook style game console with built in OLED tech,Keyboard,SDHC slot,CEC/HDMI port, Wireless mouse USB functionality, wireless Saturn and 6 Button Dreamcast controllers and with it being about only '12 inches and 3X6 width, it'll be pretty appealing to the target market.




And Barry, yes Bertie is the man who started the Shenmue 3 campaign. He RUNS and owns and manages the Shenmue 500K website. I had a pretty lengthy conversation with him yesterday and he told me which others helped him and how they got Suzuki on board.






He thinks there is some market of casual gamers who love mobile games but want a console to play mobile-like games but not the current consoles that are out there, based on his previous posts. Or some niche machine that plays old Sega material and new stuff. It's hard to follow. It was funny at first but it's starting to get annoying. He thinks being able to recite Sega's finances in every post makes him somewhat less delusional about the whole situation.
I detect quite alot of salt in your post.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 14, 2015, 03:35:50 pm
So, just to clarify, you're not saying a console to compete with PS4/XBO as such. Just a steam machine like system built to work with SEGA games and anything else that hit it's requirements?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 14, 2015, 03:37:36 pm
Huh. If that's the market he's aiming for, then it doesn't exist nor would I want SEGA to go for it personally.  Nintendo managed to target it with the Wii, but at a huge cost to their reputation and fans.


It does exist. It's an unexplored market with lots of untapped potential. Sega is outsourcing Sega Networks,Inc and expanding Sega Amusements globally for a reason.


People said the same thing about iPhone back in 2006. That there were no market for it. That nobody was going to by a $300 digital phone. That Apple was going to fail. That iPhone was going to be the biggest blunder since the Pippin.


Journalists at Summer CES in June 1985 said the same thing about the NEW Nintendo Entertainment System. That Video Games were a fad that had come and gone. That the makers of Donkey Kong had no chance. That retailers HATED video games and would certainly REFUSE to accept the NES.




Do you know why both these products succeeded? T-E-S-T- M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G. That's how you find out of there's a market for a product. iPhone underwent Test Marketing exclusively in the Silicon Valley area during the Holiday 2006 prior to its Nationwide Rollout of Spring 2007.


Word of mouth on how revolutionary the product was paid off. Consumers listened to each other, not what a website journalist told them.


The NES debuted in the Mid Atlantic Area on October 18,1985, 3 weeks later it was rolled out across select heavily populated parts of the US before its became widely available during Christmas-time and before it finally hit Canada and smaller US regions on February 18,1986. Word-of-Mouth, again helped put it on the map. Consumers giving their own reviews on it. Calling retailers and demanding it. Writing to Newspapers and News Stations.




Regarding Wii, Nintendo under Iwata launched a weak,outdated piece of hardware. Of course there was a reputation because they didn't do anything new or revolutionary. They just recycled Gamecube and redesigned it with a gimmick, that's it.


SEGA would not do the same thing. They'd explore an untapped market and provide them a BETTER powered,cheaper console than PS4 to a market yearning for a product that costs less and has actual games that are both affordable and worth owning.


So, just to clarify. You're not saying a console to compete with PS4/XBO as such. Just a steam machine like system built to work with SEGA games and anything else with that hit it's requirements?


Correct. SEGA doesn't need to compete against PS4/Xbox One in any way,shape or form. The traditional console market is not the ONLY market out there. Plus its cheap and very easy to put out a product much better and more powerful than the both of them anyway.

A Steam-like device would be HEAVILY embraced by PC gamers. They would WELCOME it with open arms especially if it were very affordable. The same thing with casual gamers. The price would help alot.

My idea would also work both ways too. Especially with Japanese consumers who are so mobile and portable dedicated.


Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 14, 2015, 03:55:23 pm
Hmm, well, I can see it getting a small following, but that's about it. Why? Because PC gamers (like me) are already tech savvy to have the hardware capable of running most things - at least to a certain standard with a budget. As I said before, I'd welcome them to create a Steam like service and controllers (though, MS basically nicked and refined their controller with xbox), but I'm not sure anything else would be needed right now.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 14, 2015, 05:04:25 pm
Hmm, well, I can see it getting a small following, but that's about it. Why? Because PC gamers (like me) are already tech savvy to have the hardware capable of running most things - at least to a certain standard with a budget. As I said before, I'd welcome them to create a Steam like service and controllers (though, MS basically nicked and refined their controller with xbox), but I'm not sure anything else would be needed right now.


Then you should know as a PC gamer that the average proper rig is Core i5 Sandy Bridge with 4-8 GBs of DDR2 RAM and that a  Nvidia 500 Series GeForce GPU like a 560 or 580 GTX is solid enough for an average performance and best proper optimization. a 600 Series GPU is cheap enough to improve lighting,rasteration and Shader Model engines.


There's alot of unexplored territory in PC gaming rigs. All you have mostly is Alienware/Dell or small 2nd rate companies selling them at pretty steep prices for a solid performances. But what I've found, is that they fall short in offering bang for your buck. With Netbooks, it requires modifications and most places don't offer cheap service for Modifying them to run GPUs and installing games. And even when you do buy a GPU compatible, it requires a driver debug.



Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 15, 2015, 12:20:49 am
Apart from the ram, that setup would run most things perfectly fine. The real question is, why would pc gamers choice a closed off system like a console instead of just waiting and spending a bit more on an upgrade that would probably run everything they wanted?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 15, 2015, 12:59:41 am
Apart from the ram, that setup would run most things perfectly fine. The real question is, why would pc gamers just to a closed off system like a console instead of just waiting and spending a bit more on an upgrade that would probably run everything they wanted?


If it performed on the same league as most average PCs(like Dreamcast did) there likely wouldn't be a problem as long as its not bottlenecked.


We just got in touch with a SEGA of Japan intern. We've submitted prospects and proposals to her. She will discuss them with SEGA Holdings,Co,Ltd in January 2016.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 15, 2015, 03:35:09 am
An intern? As in student? If so, I doubt they should even be talking to you about something like this nor have any power to anything.

Either way, I wish you the best of luck. I just hope you approach SEGA with some financial backing or it'll be quite rude of you to tell them what they should do with their money.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 15, 2015, 01:15:56 pm
An intern? As in student? If so, I doubt they should even be talking to you about something like this nor have any power to anything.

Either way, I wish you the best of luck. I just hope you approach SEGA with some financial backing or it'll be quite rude of you to tell them what they should do with their money.

She's a enigneer at Sega Korea. She often does internship at Sega of Japan and speak fluent Japanese.

We're weighing the option of a Crowdfunder.

We also told her, to let SEGA know that fans want them to partner up with Toshiba and that'll win over more skeptical software-only fans.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 15, 2015, 01:25:01 pm
This can only end well.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 15, 2015, 01:38:18 pm
There's more holes in this than swiss cheese.

Popcorn, Barry?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 15, 2015, 01:45:03 pm
Store's open!

(http://segafans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/SegaSonic-Popcorn-Shop.png)
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 15, 2015, 02:05:39 pm
Still not sure why it HAS to be Toshiba and not someone like say Samsung or Pegatron.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 15, 2015, 03:31:23 pm
Still not sure why it HAS to be Toshiba and not someone like say Samsung or Pegatron.


One of them also has suggested Samsung or LG regarding SEGA selling a DC themed Android phone.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 16, 2015, 06:57:12 pm
The sigs are minutes away from hitting 22,000!


The Petition description will also be altered and updated with an op-ed from me. Eliminating the original petition description and goal and replacing it altogether.


We are gathering data and resources to prepare a Crowdfunder for SEGA to release a PC gaming rig to compete with Dell and sell at a much lower price.


It doesn't cost much, AT all.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 16, 2015, 08:39:50 pm
And people would buy this over Alienware, Falcon Northwest, CyberpowerPC, Syber, Zotac, Maingear, Origin PC and Gigabyte because....?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 12:11:41 am
And people would buy this over Alienware, Falcon Northwest, CyberpowerPC, Syber, Zotac, Maingear, Origin PC and Gigabyte because....?

It would cost far less and be much more powerful.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 12:45:59 pm
We're already past 22,000 sigs.


The Shenmue 500K group has also asked me to write a short Op-Ed for their page, I will start that right now.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 17, 2015, 01:23:08 pm
Shenmue 500k is actually 25k. They threw that 500k in the title to make people believe they had more supporters than they actually do...
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 17, 2015, 01:55:29 pm
When will people ever let this DC2 idea die? Can't we just be happy that SEGA is still making somewhat relevant games?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 02:18:12 pm
When will people ever let this DC2 idea die? Can't we just be happy that SEGA is still making somewhat relevant games?

Never. SEGA is not a small publisher.

You'll be seeing SEGA put out a PC rig by early 2017. Mark my words.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 02:19:36 pm
Shenmue 500k is actually 25k. They threw that 500k in the title to make people believe they had more supporters than they actually do...

I know that. Bertie told me. The KS has 67,000 backers.


We're pretty serious. We already have contacts with Sega of Japan interns.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Centrale on December 17, 2015, 02:26:11 pm
Meanwhile, in the executive board room... "Gentlemen, we're at a loss for how to proceed in the upcoming fiscal year. It's time to check in with the interns and see if they've got any ideas."
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 02:39:21 pm
Meanwhile, in the executive board room... "Gentlemen, we're at a loss for how to proceed in the upcoming fiscal year. It's time to check in with the interns and see if they've got any ideas."


If I were there as an investor, I'd advise them in Japanese to restructure Sammy Corporation,Inc by dissolving their Panchinko Slot business completely and replacing it with a Novelty Slot and Vending Machine business where they manufacture and sell Coin Slots for Laundrys, Food Vending Machines, Fortune Teller Machines,ATMs, Soda Machines, Casino Slot Machines, Nail dispensers, Ticket Dispensers. Roulette Gambling Machines.


Hell, anything but Panchikos. They're going extinct.


Exporting them(The Slot and Vending Machines) worldwide would also make them money.



Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 17, 2015, 02:45:31 pm
Meanwhile, in the executive board room... "Gentlemen, we're at a loss for how to proceed in the upcoming fiscal year. It's time to check in with the interns and see if they've got any ideas."

Lmao!

I don't mean any disrespect in regards to these idea, they just don't make sense to me. Sega is pretty consistently slashing profits. What makes anyone think that they can take on the financial responsibility of releasing hardware? Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 17, 2015, 02:51:26 pm
Shenmue 3 Kickstarter backers are not members of Shenmue 500k and they are not the same people that will buy a Dreamcast 2. You can't just assign numbers to other things when it suits you.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 03:30:55 pm
Lmao!

I don't mean any disrespect in regards to these idea, they just don't make sense to me. Sega is pretty consistently slashing profits. What makes anyone think that they can take on the financial responsibility of releasing hardware? Makes no sense.


They're slashing profits from their two LEAST profitable divisions that were cut down to size in the previous fiscal: The Consumer Game Business and Panchinko Slot business. The remaining divisions WILL still post profits.






Yes, Barry I'm aware of that. I never assumed in anyway they'd support a DC2 campaign. Many Sony fanboys falsely assumed Shenmue 3 was now a Sony owned IP and people thought Sony was funding most of the budget, so the KS started to decline.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 17, 2015, 03:45:22 pm
It would cost far less and be much more powerful.

Again, because why?

Will Sega buy in greater bulk?
Will component makers give Sega discounts for simply being Sega?

Why will it be cheaper and more powerful? Where is your proof? Evidence?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 03:46:45 pm
The Project Dream website is open.


http://www.projectdream.co/ (http://www.projectdream.co/)


It has elements of the Nintendo Dolphin website page from 1999.


The Admin showed me controller and SKU Casing designs he and his OEM engineer company designed.


These shall be used for the upcoming new SEGA PC Gaming Rig Crowdfunder "RingEdge Zero" we'll be starting in a couple of months.






[/size]Again, because why?Will Sega buy in greater bulk?Will component makers give Sega discounts for simply being Sega?Why will it be cheaper and more powerful? Where is your proof? Evidence?



The parts will be cheaper. SEGA is also an ARCADE manufacturer(Did you forget that?) So the build would be making double profit if converted into an Arcade Board.


Yes they would buy it in greater bulk. Especially if the parts are dirt cheap(which they are.)


SEGA are still partners of Intel & Nvidia. There's also MANY Japanese OEMs and silicon part suppliers desperate for contracts because they keep getting ignored each generation.


We already have a build and spec sheet. The main CPU will be a Core i5 Haswell, which is extremely popular and high end inexpensive ARK CPU Tray from Intel. Very popular among PC gamers.


Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 17, 2015, 03:52:38 pm
What the hell...a near carbon clone of Star Citizen interactive website? I must say this is a rather poor first impression.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 04:08:06 pm
What the hell...a near carbon clone of Star Citizen interactive website? I must say this is a rather poor first impression.


It's a THEME.


Also remember SEGA's 5th Generation? Remember, the Space themed codenames of "Mars", "Jupiter" and "Saturn" from 1991,1992 and 1993 and "Neptune" and "Pluto" from 1994?


It's obviously inspired by that.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 17, 2015, 04:21:26 pm
A "theme" that oddly and specifically bears the exact text(even referencing by name) used by robert space industries instead the of the usual placeholder text. Like...you guys couldn't even bother to at least delete the text and put a coming soon placeholder page instead?

Even the "Get package" near the bottom of the page link back to Robert Space Industries. This is disgusting.

Again, I'd call that rather a rather poor first outing.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 04:30:27 pm
A "theme" that oddly and specifically bears the exact text(even referencing by name) used by robert space industries instead the of the usual placeholder text. Like...you guys couldn't even bother to at least delete the text and put a coming soon placeholder page instead?

Even the "Get package" near the bottom of the page link back to Robert Space Industries. This is disgusting.

Again, I'd call that rather a rather poor first outing.


The site is in Beta stages and still under construction.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 17, 2015, 04:56:04 pm
I have to side with JRcade. When i went on the site, i thought i was on the Star Citizen website. You guys need to polish up the site asap if you want to be taken seriously, it looks really unprofessional.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 17, 2015, 08:13:35 pm
I have to side with JRcade. When i went on the site, i thought i was on the Star Citizen website. You guys need to polish up the site asap if you want to be taken seriously, it looks really unprofessional.


We will have it ready and fixed in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 18, 2015, 07:55:37 am
Putting a SEGA logo with the registered trademark and all is really sleazy and would get a c&d from the real SEGA very quickly.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 18, 2015, 11:21:56 am
Yeah, sticking a SEGA badge on it isn't a good move. You'd be better off just taking it off and claiming it's a spiritual successor or fan driven attempt to rekindle a movement for another console.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 18, 2015, 11:33:39 am
Putting a SEGA logo with the registered trademark and all is really sleazy and would get a c&d from the real SEGA very quickly.


Not if we have actual Sega of Japan interns endorsing it.


You seemed to have forgotten the 1999 Nintendo fansite project Dolphin. THAT was officially ENDORSED by Nintendo.


The SEGA logo is a Registered Trademark of SEGA Holdings,Co,Ltd, but if it appears without the Registry stamp and is not being distributed on the market or reproduced or falsely used or claimed as being an affiliate of SEGA, it is NOT grounds for IP violation.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 18, 2015, 11:46:07 am
Sega's Interns are just that....Interns. They have next to no power in what the company ultimately does. They're there for Job training purposes.

Engineering Interns could also endorse Sega entering the Defense industry to cash in on money from the JDSF. It doesn't mean it would happen.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 18, 2015, 11:51:41 am
Yeah, interns have no power. It doesn't really matter what they say. This could actually be quite bad for them if SEGA find out they're just letting people use their name without official consent.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 18, 2015, 12:00:11 pm
Uh... somebody interning at a company supporting a project is not the same as official company support. Using the SEGA logo, registered trademark and all, is wrong and a very bad idea if you want eventual SEGA support.

Notice SEGAbits uses the logo, sans ®, and we explicitly state on the bottom of the site that we are unofficial. On top of that, we do not make a cent off the site or the use of the SEGA logo.

In your case, you are attempting to create a product for financial gain. At the moment you do not have SEGA's support, approval, or blessing. So use of the logo is both wrong and comes off as an attempt to deceive visitors that it is an official product.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 18, 2015, 12:42:01 pm
Sega's Interns are just that....Interns. They have next to no power in what the company ultimately does. They're there for Job training purposes.

Engineering Interns could also endorse Sega entering the Defense industry to cash in on money from the JDSF. It doesn't mean it would happen.


The interns are actually being hired to work in the lower tier levels at the new divisions of SEGA Holdings.


Plus the ones we've spoken to happen to have shareholders and say on matter of suggestions to Chairboard executives.


That's how CSR applies to Japanese business law. Interns can act as shareholders with tiny shares of the company.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 18, 2015, 12:52:00 pm
Uh... somebody interning at a company supporting a project is not the same as official company support. Using the SEGA logo, registered trademark and all, is wrong and a very bad idea if you want eventual SEGA support.

Notice SEGAbits uses the logo, sans ®, and we explicitly state on the bottom of the site that we are unofficial. On top of that, we do not make a cent off the site or the use of the SEGA logo.

In your case, you are attempting to create a product for financial gain. At the moment you do not have SEGA's support, approval, or blessing. So use of the logo is both wrong and comes off as an attempt to deceive visitors that it is an official product.


The SEGA logo is a Registered Trademark of SEGA Holdings,Co,Ltd, but if it appears without the Registry stamp and is not being distributed on the market or reproduced or falsely used or claimed as being an affiliate of SEGA, it is NOT grounds for IP violation.

[/color]Also, At SEGA Holdings,Co,Ltd Interns can act as shareholders. They are considered employees of SEGA, paid and under contract. If they are not 3rd party(which they aren't), they own tiny shares of the company. Although they don't have the final say or any authority, they are allowed to make suggestions as long as they are considered shareholders. That's part of the CSR and how Japanese Business laws work.


The rest of your comment, is not accurate in anyway. We state we are fans and have Sega of Japan interns helping us.




http://www.shenmue500k.co.uk/shenmue-and-the-connection-of-sega-and-its-hardware/
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 18, 2015, 01:19:37 pm
One, the site is finally ready, and has the endorsement of Sega, I'll post an update on the thread.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 18, 2015, 01:50:18 pm
SEGA of Japan interns = SEGA shareholders = official SEGA endorsement? Okay.


Also, need to do better photoshop then, because I still clearly see the ®:


(http://i.imgur.com/x0HSiuG.png)
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: George on December 18, 2015, 02:53:55 pm
This isn't supported by Sega if interns are backing it. That isn't how this works.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 18, 2015, 03:19:33 pm
Seriously, best of luck guys. Don't say you weren't warned when you're hit with a cease & desist from SEGA.

I do sales & marketing work, i have an entire team dedicated to working on ads, websites, images, etc for our Company. If anyone used any of our images without contacting me or anyone in my team directly, i'd sue em.

Let me put this in other terms. If someone, let's say, in Customer Service authorized the usage of our images. Without my or other Manager's consent, there's a good chance they would get fired. I doubt any intern has that much pull at SEGA, good chance you'll get them canned as well.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Mengels7 on December 18, 2015, 04:16:40 pm
This isn't supported by Sega if interns are backing it. That isn't how this works.

No no, if you're a low level employee of a corporation and have shares in it, you can officially endorse products for the company and approve these matters. Don't try to pretend you're even close to EnternalHope's level of business savvy.




On a more serious note, EnternalHope, I'm worried for the poor interns. Leave them alone with this fantastical nonsense. You're going to lose them their potential careers within Sega if they get tangled up with you guys too deeply.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Centrale on December 19, 2015, 12:16:29 pm
Enternal claims to be in the hotel business. Imagine if some Hilton fans got in touch with a couple of housekeepers at the downtown Atlanta Hilton Hotel and said, we're going to start building a new Hilton in our back yard in Ottawa, Canada. Sounds like a plan that has success written all over it.

Seriously, what is going on with the forum here these days? It's like checking in on an insane asylum... talking people down from their delusions, trying to keep people from hurting themselves or others with crazy nonsense. Is it just me? Do I need to take a break? Everyone is some kind of expert on international manufacturing and marketing, but when you look at their paperwork it's all a bunch of grim crayon scribbles and slobber. Is there any kind of will among the admins to stop this kind of stuff? I can't tell if these people are playing some kind of long-game trolling or if they are actually terribly naïve, confused, cynical etc. Wouldn't a less active forum with a few sane conversations about reality be better than this?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 19, 2015, 05:12:52 pm
I agree, Centrale, this has gotten to be too much. I don't want SEGAbits to utilize Sobic Retro's validation levels of restrictions on posting, but I think Eternal needs to cool it with promoting his plans here. None of us are buying it, and it's becoming a joke by this point.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 20, 2015, 08:16:41 pm
Enternal claims to be in the hotel business. Imagine if some Hilton fans got in touch with a couple of housekeepers at the downtown Atlanta Hilton Hotel and said, we're going to start building a new Hilton in our back yard in Ottawa, Canada. Sounds like a plan that has success written all over it.

Seriously, what is going on with the forum here these days? It's like checking in on an insane asylum... talking people down from their delusions, trying to keep people from hurting themselves or others with crazy nonsense. Is it just me? Do I need to take a break? Everyone is some kind of expert on international manufacturing and marketing, but when you look at their paperwork it's all a bunch of grim crayon scribbles and slobber. Is there any kind of will among the admins to stop this kind of stuff? I can't tell if these people are playing some kind of long-game trolling or if they are actually terribly naïve, confused, cynical etc. Wouldn't a less active forum with a few sane conversations about reality be better than this?


Fairly mean spirited post.




Also, you clearly are seriously reaching. You have no clue what department in the 5 Star Hotel business I'm employed in.


And Barry, I will not post anymore on the matter until our goals are reached, but our Closed, Members only FB group now has breezed past half a thousand in a matter of 3 hours.


Ben's sigs are still going to. We're already nearing 22,300.

Everyone can remain as skeptical as they'd like about our campaign, but I'd appreciate it if people show a bit more decorum in expressing their cynicism towards it or how they think its impossible and not resort to personal attacks.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 21, 2015, 06:51:30 am
Locking this for the time being, if the campaign proves to be more than a pipe dream we can open it back up.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 22, 2015, 11:04:51 am
Out of fairness, I am unlocking this for the time being. I just wrote a long op-ed on the front page and it wouldn't be fair to have my say and leave this topic locked.

http://segabits.com/blog/2015/12/22/opinion-so-about-project-dream-and-their-dreamcast-2-plans-calm-down-its-not-official-or-sane/
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 22, 2015, 11:27:49 am
Good Guy Barry.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 22, 2015, 11:39:03 am
Barry. You're a good man.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 22, 2015, 11:41:18 am
I mean, honestly, I am not here to hate or tear down. But I have to call it as I see it. I can't play the part of fansite guy who bows to any old project because it has heart behind it, looking past some really questionable decisions and simply promoting projects because it is my job as a SEGA fan to do so.

I do think there are practical ways for SEGA to make a home console – a branded Steam Machine, an AtGames endeavor that does beyond the Genesis library. Problem is, Project Dream isn't it.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 22, 2015, 02:21:24 pm
So, were we graced with a visit from Zach Morris himself??? The IP addresses don't seem to lie. Man, I almost feel like I met a celebrity!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 22, 2015, 02:44:37 pm
Keep fighting the good fight man. These kids need to grow up. Companies are not run by hopes and dreams.

Is that dude still around? Holy shit, not surprised to hear this could be his doing.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 22, 2015, 04:25:07 pm
Good lord, this long blog post comes off as a manifesto written in an insane asylum: http://segareniassance.blogspot.fr/2015/12/project-dream-a.html?m=1

What I found so hilarious is they bang the drum that SEGA is innovative, and then say: "The hybrid codenamed either "RINGEDGE Zero" or "RINGWIDE Elite" would resemble a Digital TV Antenna receiver. The simple design would avoid any patent infringement and allow the product to be distinguishable among consumers. Only 5% of consumers use DTV Antenna receivers, so it wouldn't be confusing to them in anyway."

SERIOUSLY!!?? HAHAHA.... my god.

So the console will use a DTV Antenna Receiver shell because it will avoid patent infringement and fuck it, nobody owns one anyway so it won't be confused for a DTV box.

How un-SEGA is that? That's not innovative! That's cutting corners!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 22, 2015, 05:11:40 pm
I can't do this. Fuck that, i'm not reading all of that garbage.


This just came up in a comment:

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I know enternalhope. His former name was mrsega at sega-16.com. He is a fraud and got banned by the mods there. He was also active on ‘dreamcasttalk and got banned there. He used to say that sega orbi is a console. It turned out to be a holographic zoo. He wants followers to earn money. Eternalhope is alzo zachary morris. He is right about a lot and has confidential news. But he mix it with lies. Thats how he runs his biz. But i know the one doing this petition is not enternalhope. The pattern is clearly not the same. Signing the petition does not hurt. And for what its worth we all want a sega console that is succesfull. Succesfull os the word.



So Eternalhope is Zach Morris? LOL!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 22, 2015, 05:36:23 pm
Well now this:

http://kotaku.com/no-sega-isnt-launching-a-dreamcast-2-1749342080

Eternalhope isn't Zach Morris. It's Patrick Lawson Eternal Hope mentioned working for a hotel chain and Lawson apparently does as well, so it's probably him.

I can't believe this garbage is trending and people actually think it's being endorsed by SEGA. Crazy.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Sharky on December 22, 2015, 05:42:59 pm
I guessed that Eternal Hope was Zack Morris when he first appeared and he denied it but said he knew him... I would not be surprised if it was him. He does this every few years, drums up hype from the frothing idiots and then when it all falls apart he disappears.

Last time I dealt with him personally and his followers... Last time he was trying to convince people that the Orbi was a SEGA console, and before that he was trying to convince people it was the RingEdge... And before that it was even more of a paper thin load of horseshit...

I like SEGA the way they are, I don't want or need a new console... I just want new, quality games, what matters more?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 22, 2015, 05:50:36 pm
Er, for those out of the loop, who's Zach Morris?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 22, 2015, 05:51:22 pm
"Except Dell/Alienware, there are virtually NO mainstream game companies trying their hand at PC rigs"

Did I not just mouth off like 5 or 6 different brands back on the other page that are well known?

Er, for those out of the loop, who's Zach Morris?

A guy who goes on Sega fansites every few years and posts vague trademarks and/or patents about something Sega has filed and drums up support for nonexistant Sega hardware.

Before this it was the Sega Orbi, and before that the Ringedge. He's been on the Official Sega forums, Sega-16, Dreamcast talk(actually it was because of him the entire rumors subsection of the site was closed down entirely) and creates various blogs to promote his cause.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: EnternalHope on December 22, 2015, 05:51:39 pm
Er, for those out of the loop, who's Zach Morris?


Some hoax troll that hasn't be active in like 5 years.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 22, 2015, 05:58:48 pm
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CPU: Intel Core i5 Quad-Core "Haswell" 4460 3.4 GHZ Clock Speed at 8GBs of DDR3 RAM at 384-512 MBs  32GB Bandwidth Bus.


APU: Intel HD Graphics 4600 with 1.1 GHZ Clock Speed 4096x2304 Max Resolution

GPU: Any Customizable Nvidia Ge Force GTX 680 or Higher.

Like...bro, do you even hardware. IntelHD is the iGPU in Haswell, not an APU onto itself.

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(Q)Would it be Steam compatible? We're inclined it would be and that Valve would have no problem with licensing out Steam to SEGA

Seriously, do ANY of you running this project have any Idea what you are doing. Steam doesn't need to be licensed. It's a client that already runs on windows, jesus.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Sharky on December 22, 2015, 06:22:34 pm
It's upsettingly stupid isn't it... Deffo stinks of Zach Morris.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 22, 2015, 06:52:12 pm
I could probably write a blog post alone just on the galactic levels of wrong in the hardware contents...nevermind everything else.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Sharky on December 22, 2015, 06:56:00 pm
Guys, that Patrick guy is on facebook telling people that he is going to start a Kick Starter for SEGA and this project and the moment anybody says it's fake, or stupid to fund such a project he is banning them from the group.

This is an insidious scam... And he's going to con money out of people:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/DreamcastHDRevival/permalink/535942909916645/
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 22, 2015, 07:31:44 pm
Wtf.. This is getting out of hand. Anyway this group can get sued? People are being misled by these assholes.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 23, 2015, 09:42:19 am
Following my article, which has gotten an insane amount of traffic for the site, I've noticed EternalHope has gone largely silent aside from saying he is not Zach Morris... which is debatable.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 23, 2015, 12:43:03 pm
Of course he's gone AFK, he knows people are catching on to his bs.

https://www.change.org/p/sega-of-america-to-design-and-release-a-sega-dreamcast-limited-edition-console/u/14711342

Sounds legit, right, RIGHT?!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 23, 2015, 01:26:56 pm
Man...this article I wrote(as terribad as it is compared to most other articles) takes me back hahah. Forgot to mention the Sega Phoenix in it actually based off Lindbergh.

http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/sega/sega-orbi-not-this-again-sega-console-bs-alert/ (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/sega/sega-orbi-not-this-again-sega-console-bs-alert/)

The dreamblog has also started removing comments it seems critical of him. Hell, I'd take a LinkedIn page if he could provide one with sources, otherwise IIRC Zach Morris also used to be stationed out near the Houston area(Lawson is in Texas apparently).
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 23, 2015, 01:39:26 pm
Man...this article I wrote(as terribad as it is compared to most other articles) takes me back hahah. Forgot to mention the Sega Phoenix in it actually based off Lindbergh.

http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/sega/sega-orbi-not-this-again-sega-console-bs-alert/ (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/sega/sega-orbi-not-this-again-sega-console-bs-alert/)

The dreamblog has also started removing comments it seems critical of him. Hell, I'd take a LinkedIn page if he could provide one with sources, otherwise IIRC Zach Morris also used to be stationed out near the Houston area(Lawson is in Texas apparently).

Yeaahh. What if Lawson is Zach Morris? Lol, wouldn't doubt it.

https://www.facebook.com/patrick.lawson.315 (https://www.facebook.com/patrick.lawson.315)
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: JRcade19 on December 23, 2015, 01:51:33 pm
That's pretty interesting though. He's a cancer survivor, so while I'm still not exactly thrilled, I'm happy for him and his family.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 23, 2015, 02:21:36 pm
Yeaahh. What if Lawson is Zach Morris? Lol, wouldn't doubt it.

https://www.facebook.com/patrick.lawson.315 (https://www.facebook.com/patrick.lawson.315)

Reading this old post and comparing to how Patrick/EternalHope types makes me lean towards yes, he is Zach Morris: http://forums.sega.com/archive/index.php/t-28982.html

Both are from Texas, both are constantly throwing Hajime Satomi quotes out there, both look to Yuji Naka's opinion as validation, both break things down into these numeric points, and a slew of other words that both commonly throw out there. I haven't seen shared spelling mistakes, but then again spelling errors are often one time things or are corrected over the years.

They even are approaching things the same way, just read some of Zach's ideas and compare to Patrick/EH. Surprised EH thinks Zach is a troll given both seem to share the same ideals... and state.

No way are two likeminded people living so close to one another. I would also note that Patrick graduated just before Zach emerged. Maybe he had too much time on his hands?

Seriously, if EternalHope has proof he is not Zach Morris, please share it.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 23, 2015, 10:52:49 pm
Wow, after reading that post you provided. There's no doubt in my mind that Eternal/Lawson is Zach Morris. Their writing style is almost identical.

Unless Eternal can otherwise confirm, they seem to be one in the same. Crazy that after 10 years, he's still up to the same bs.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Sharky on December 23, 2015, 11:13:22 pm
Reading this old post and comparing to how Patrick/EternalHope types makes me lean towards yes, he is Zach Morris: http://forums.sega.com/archive/index.php/t-28982.html

Aw nostalgia bomb, a lot of old names I've not seen in a long, long time... God speed old SEGA forum members!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 24, 2015, 12:42:33 am
http://thegg.net/interviews/q-and-a-interview-with-bertie-wiseman-and-ben-plato-about-project-dream/

Can't stand the exposure this is getting.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Randroid on December 24, 2015, 12:14:52 pm
http://thegg.net/interviews/q-and-a-interview-with-bertie-wiseman-and-ben-plato-about-project-dream/

Can't stand the exposure this is getting.

Hmm.. I read through that entire interview and found nothing that offends me as a fan. It seems like an honest venture. They shot down the kickstarter rumors that could have been interpreted as swindling. After reading that interview, what about this should I be mad at?

If anything at least it gets people talking about a future Sega console which I think we all want.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 24, 2015, 02:00:24 pm
Yeah, you're right, nothing wrong with the interview.

I still don't trust these guys though. Not to mention there was a recent update on their change.org petition that stated they would be using crowdfunding to make this happen if Sega doesn't endorse it.. Sketchy.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Trippled on December 24, 2015, 03:03:06 pm
You see guys this thing makes sense. Because it's NICHE

You hear, lets all say with all caps

NICHE
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 24, 2015, 03:06:32 pm
I could tell you all the emails I got from the people behind this project (too many) but it's Christmas so I'm not going to pay attention to it.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: George on December 24, 2015, 04:50:50 pm
These people don't know what they are doing, period. This isn't going to be a official product and if it is it will fail. That is all I have to say regarding this product.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Randroid on December 24, 2015, 05:35:21 pm
Hmm.. alright, Devil's Advocate checking in here:

If anybody tries anything related to a DC revival, successor, hybrid whatever, is it really so bad? I would kinda prefer bat-shit crazy attempts at no-win scenarios than total silence.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: FlareHabanero on December 24, 2015, 08:31:59 pm
Hmm.. alright, Devil's Advocate checking in here:

If anybody tries anything related to a DC revival, successor, hybrid whatever, is it really so bad? I would kinda prefer bat-shit crazy attempts at no-win scenarios than total silence.
While that's cute and all that, there's a fatal problem.


It's being run by a complete stranger who has a history of being a sleazeball.


It would be one thing if this was being done by someone that has a connection to SEGA, or hell at least has experience with hardware development and marketing, but this isn't the case.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Centrale on December 25, 2015, 12:41:15 pm
Personally I don't like someone trying to take the good name of a company and appropriating it for some half-baked, low quality idea. I don't like it with a defunct company like Atari, having that name controlled (albeit legally) by a bunch of no-talent people exploiting the good name and hard work of brilliant engineers and programmers and designers. And I sure don't like it when it's people trying to do it with a company that still exists, like Sega.

There is a grey market for unlicensed consoles like the Retron series. They don't try to claim any affiliation with Nintendo or Sega, and at least they have the wherewithal to make a real product.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on December 30, 2015, 01:23:01 pm
So apparently Lawson has been banned and removed from Project Dream for spreading false information, lol!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 30, 2015, 01:26:48 pm
When you say "project" you mean delusion. Right?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Sharky on December 30, 2015, 03:59:20 pm
So apparently Lawson has been banned and removed from Project Dream for spreading false information, lol!

Your welcome.

Basically he was on the facebook, telling everyone there was going to be Kick Starter, where people are asked to pay money to their group to show their support of a new SEGA console... Aka prove your love by paying us and I called him out and he told me that I was being respectful and I would be banned from the group... What he didn't know is that, I'm pretty connected and it turns out I know quite a few of the people on this project thing... And I told them just what I thought of the project and this kick starter idea... Apparently nobody else had heard of it and quicky he was removed.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 30, 2015, 04:22:47 pm
What's weird is that following my op-ed I posted, Bertie Wiseman reached out to me and told me Patrick was messing things up for them and he was being kicked off the project. What I don't get is was he on the project to begin with? Or was he all talk and faking his role?

Anyway, Bertie Wiseman seemed upset that I never warned him of Patrick Lawson despite the fact that all I knew of the project was that Patrick was apparently the lead. Kind of hard to warn people when said people don't do a good job making themselves known.

Until they straighten their shit out, stop being all talk and petitions, and show some real proof that they can do what they propose, I'm ignoring them for the time being. Last thing I want is to be wrapped up in their whole thing.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Sharky on December 30, 2015, 04:46:23 pm
From what I understand he introduced himself to them, talked the big talk he was talking on here and they thought he seemed legit and invited him onto the project and he seemed to take over and do his own thing without asking anyone.

When I tried to tell them what he was doing seemed like a scam he tried to discredit me by saying I was 'The admin of Shenmue 500k' and just trying to derail their project. (A group I have no links too at all btw.) But basically they've had a run-in with those guys so it was a way to throw doubt on me.

Anyway, I showed Bertie Wiseman and Joanne some articles of mine from SEGAbits to prove who I was and said this guy seems like a scammer and reminds me of Zack Morris. After that he believed me and asked me to change Barry's article and I told him to contact Barry but don't expect it to change until the whole thing seems legit.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on December 30, 2015, 04:52:11 pm
Jesus. I never thought it went this far!
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on December 30, 2015, 05:16:52 pm
Huh, I was never asked to change the article.

Anyway, I've checked out the latest version of the website and fuck me... so many trademarked logos... http://www.projectdream.co/

I mean, what the fuck? I told Bertie they had a SEGA logo with a ™ and he apologized and said that was there before he took over as site admin. He said he'd remove it.

Now the site has the SEGA theme, the logo with a trademark, several Dreamcast logos, screens of SEGA games, Shenmue III logos and screens, mock-ups of a console that they did not create (to my knowledge). So.... what is up with them? They say they will do it properly, and then they up and launch a site with tons of stuff they don't own the rights to.

I know I've been a stickler about unofficial groups using SEGA's logo for profit and potential profit before, but it's only because I know SEGA well enough that when they see that, they either send C&D's or they blacklist the group. I cannot see SEGA giving them the time of day when they use so many logos and things that they do not own. Keep that stuff for a proof of concept that you show only to SEGA behind closed doors should you get a meeting with them. Don't flaunt it like that on a website and act like its all but decided that SEGA is onboard.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Centrale on December 30, 2015, 06:56:34 pm
Over the years I've observed a number of people who have this "fake it until you make it" belief. It's the same attitude that motivates people to use bots to make it appear as if their music is more popular than it really is on streaming sites, for example. But it's just a weird belief, as if all successful ventures were founded on lies and deception rather than sound business principles. I think it's compounded by this misplaced belief that the way to "make things happen" in the video game business is to petition companies, and that in some way consumers can control companies through these means.

What's really sad, though, is that if these people have any real ambition as businesspeople, they are going to ruin their reputations by going about all this in all these wrong ways... essentially doing things that are illegal and arguably immoral. No one legit in the industry will want to be affiliated with them in any way.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: pirovash88 on January 08, 2016, 01:42:10 pm
Your welcome.

Basically he was on the facebook, telling everyone there was going to be Kick Starter, where people are asked to pay money to their group to show their support of a new SEGA console... Aka prove your love by paying us and I called him out and he told me that I was being respectful and I would be banned from the group... What he didn't know is that, I'm pretty connected and it turns out I know quite a few of the people on this project thing... And I told them just what I thought of the project and this kick starter idea... Apparently nobody else had heard of it and quicky he was removed.

Nice. Well, thanks for that. I'm glad most people now understand what this "project" actually entails.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: fernandeath on January 31, 2016, 04:08:55 am
So, in short, what happened to this project ?
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Berto on January 31, 2016, 07:09:12 pm
So, in short, what happened to this project ?

In short : it's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: fernandeath on June 09, 2016, 07:23:40 am
They don't give up.
They rebranded the roject's name. It's now named DC Reloaded


https://www.change.org/p/petitioning-sega-of-america-japan-to-license-and-release-a-dreamcast-2-designed-by-fans/u/16872083?tk=FVJb43eptPuFLea8UEsfMXiYeTvVJO2RKpMPHOmPbyY&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Barry the Nomad on June 09, 2016, 09:46:26 am
Yeesh. I am so done with these guys and their nonsense.
Title: Re: Ben Plato's 2014 Niche Dreamcast 2 petition suddenly picks up Steam!!
Post by: Tad on June 09, 2016, 11:37:30 am
DC Reloaded??!?

Oh my god, I can't wait for this, it's going to be AMAZING!

/sarcasm