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Title: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: George on August 10, 2011, 08:18:55 pm
More super hero  movie non-sense.

First of all

SUPER HERO MOVIES THAT DESERVE REBOOTS!

Daredevil:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Daredevil_65.jpg)
A few things I disliked about its last outing was basically 80% of the script. I know people will say that Daredevil is basically Marvel's Batman, which he might be to some.


I think, just like the Batman reboot, they need to think dark. Daredevil is a dark comic, not something that needs holywood glamour. Nolan understood this with Batman, sadly Mark Johnson didn't get that at all.

Also Bulleseye as the main villain? Nah.

I will be adding more things later.

Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: ROJM on August 11, 2011, 05:53:45 am
Well DD needs a reboot but Marvel isn't intrested in making a R stylemovie which DD needs to be or at least a light R what Dark Knight(a film with R like themes but not being graphic enough to get the R rating). The problem is marvel is more intrested in making pop corn light movies instead of heavy plot actual cinematic films like Nolan's DK film managed to be.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 11, 2011, 08:09:20 am
As I said in the other superhero topic, DD:Director's Cut was an R cut and was a much better movie. I don't think it needed to continue, thus I agree that it needs a reboot, but I do think that had the R rated cut been the one to hit theaters, it would have gotten a much better reception.

I think Fantastic 4 needs a reboot badly. It's a great concept, but was f'd up TWICE (three times, counting the earlier movie).
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 11, 2011, 01:39:03 pm
Avoid Ben Affleck at all costs.

Garner was fantastic but after Electra I doubt she'd work with Marvel again.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: George on August 11, 2011, 05:56:34 pm
Am I the only one that just noticed that 2 of DC Comic's heroes are worth a shit? I mean, a couple of my friends are big Flash and Green Lantern fans.

But its obvious that Green Lantern can't compete with Marvel franchises (Was released between Thor and Captain America). So I doubt a Flash movie would do any better.

Oh well, at least the last Batman movie and the upcoming Superman look ace.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 11, 2011, 07:04:34 pm
I don't know. The Flash was pretty popular when I was a kid and I don't know him to well but it might be possible that he is DC's version of Spider-Man so he should work well in the light hearted Super Hero demographic.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Autosaver on August 11, 2011, 07:18:41 pm
I've never heard of DD until I saw an episode of Spiderman with him.

Not sure if the general public is aware of him either. (GENERAL PUBLIC =/= COMIC FANS)
Flash as DC's version of Spiderman. LOL.. I don't really agree with you there.

I liked Flash when he appeared on the Justice League. I don't watch that show anymore though. :/
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: segaismysavior on August 11, 2011, 08:44:52 pm
I rather enjoyed Constantine, so I'd love to see more Hellblazer movies. Keanu is not a requirement.

League of Extraordinary Gentleman was also fun, but I don't think I could get into another one without Sean Connery. It's still a cool concept to continue or reboot, but the comic issues I read weren't what I'd consider great for film.

Green Arrow could make a decent flick? The more recent Rambo flick proved that archery can be made to look intensely badass.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Chaosmaster8753 on August 11, 2011, 10:43:03 pm
I think Fantastic 4 needs a reboot badly. It's a great concept, but was f'd up TWICE (three times, counting the earlier movie).

^Dr. Doom approves of this message.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: George on August 11, 2011, 10:46:14 pm
I rather enjoyed Constantine, so I'd love to see more Hellblazer movies. Keanu is not a requirement.

League of Extraordinary Gentleman was also fun, but I don't think I could get into another one without Sean Connery. It's still a cool concept to continue or reboot, but the comic issues I read weren't what I'd consider great for film.

Green Arrow could make a decent flick? The more recent Rambo flick proved that archery can be made to look intensely badass.
Constantine is a love and hate movie for me. I love Hellblazer. Also that is DC Vertigo, not DC comics. Vertigo are not hero comics. Though if Vertigo had to get movies, Preacher and Sandman please. 
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Snowcat on August 12, 2011, 04:19:08 am
There are a couple of characters I think would make good movies.

agreed on Green Arrow
Black Panther

and I like Dr Strange... those animated movies don't count.

SPAWN! he needs a reboot badly!

and Ghost Rider :/ wow... that sucked.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Emmett The Crab on August 12, 2011, 05:47:48 am
There should be a movie for wonder twins, or Aquaman?  DC is so lame.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: ROJM on August 12, 2011, 08:38:08 am
Am I the only one that just noticed that 2 of DC Comic's heroes are worth a shit? I mean, a couple of my friends are big Flash and Green Lantern fans.

But its obvious that Green Lantern can't compete with Marvel franchises (Was released between Thor and Captain America). So I doubt a Flash movie would do any better.


That's to do with the poor director and storyline not the fact that Marvel has better characters. DC just hasn't the ability to get it right with their non superman and batman superheroes films. I mean Wonder Woman is already a household name yet they won't consider making a film about that character and instead opt for GL who is relativly unknown. Now he's semi known but nobody cares about the character because of the flawed film they made.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 12, 2011, 04:26:06 pm
Umm... for all intents and purposes they haven't gotten Superman right either.

I've always liked Batman - i've always found Supes, WW, Lantern and most of their characters stupid. No Offence, I am sure I am not as well versed with their special collector comic book stories but from what I've seen in the animated series is laughable that you would take them seriously for a second.

You just need to look at Wonder Woman and case closed.

Super Man, get an understanding of the characters physical and mental abilities and you'll see how much things are dumped down. If Superman has super strength then a fight should end before it starts cause that is what ultimately happens every time and Lex Luther is supposed to be so intelligent but he does things anyone with half a brain wouldn't do and the whole universe rests on the fact that no one is intelligent enough to tell CK/SM apart. The premise was laughable 50 years go and it is even more stupid today.

I don't know much about GL, but the movie trailer looked shit (exaggeration) and guess what the movie was shit (exaggeration).

Do I need to diss AquaMan?
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: max_cady on August 12, 2011, 06:03:13 pm
If Green Lantern had been done right, it would've most certainly been a top-tier movie property.

We should count our blessings that the proposed GL movie with Jack Black never made it out.

To answer cube_b3, yes, the Green Lantern movie was bad. It might be acceptable for kids, but everybody else will be sorely dissapointed.

GL is a comic book about outer space adventure. It has more in common with Star Wars, Flash Gordon and all that. But with this, they seriously attempted to slightly emulate Thor, but came out crooked.

The movie fails not because of the superhero himself, but because the movie barely takes place in outer space and what happens on Earth, a lot of it is boring and underdeveloped. The only time the movie is good is when Hal uses his GL powers, especially in the final act.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: ROJM on August 15, 2011, 06:04:11 am
Umm... for all intents and purposes they haven't gotten Superman right either.

I've always liked Batman - i've always found Supes, WW, Lantern and most of their characters stupid. No Offence, I am sure I am not as well versed with their special collector comic book stories but from what I've seen in the animated series is laughable that you would take them seriously for a second.

You just need to look at Wonder Woman and case closed.

Super Man, get an understanding of the characters physical and mental abilities and you'll see how much things are dumped down. If Superman has super strength then a fight should end before it starts cause that is what ultimately happens every time and Lex Luther is supposed to be so intelligent but he does things anyone with half a brain wouldn't do and the whole universe rests on the fact that no one is intelligent enough to tell CK/SM apart. The premise was laughable 50 years go and it is even more stupid today.

I don't know much about GL, but the movie trailer looked shit (exaggeration) and guess what the movie was shit (exaggeration).

Do I need to diss AquaMan?

Actually you're missing the point on the Superman mythos or at least the retconned version from the eighties. Superman is someone who is powerful but wants to be human and lead a normal life. He also holds back his true potential(something he's had to do most of his life in fear that he could kill someone) Lex Luthor is a genius who became a buisness man and most of his plans are subtle, longterm and ultimatly untraceable to him. If you're judging that from what the cartoons you've seen, which can barely get the entire history of a 70 year old comic series into a 20 minute episode i should say that the marvel cartoons are equally stupid and hardly gets it totally correct. For example the Xmen concept is stupid on the surface because mutants(Ie people born with powers) exist in a world use to seeing people with superpowers all the time like Spider man yet they don't hate the avengers but they hate the xmen? Its when you delve into the concept that's when it should make sense. IMO both marvel/Dc cartoons are enjoyable.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 15, 2011, 07:00:56 am
I'm actually a major X-Men fan I've read like the first 20 issues and have watched every movie.

As for the cartoon I love X-Men TAS, X-Men Evolution started off poorly but the characters were well written and season 3 and 4 weren't bad at all. I watched the first few episodes of "Wolverine & the X-Men" I liked how deep into the storyline it was (as in it wasn't a retelling of how the x-men are formed and everything) but man, I thought the animation for evolution was bad so I don't have words to describe Wolverine and I stopped watching the series after 13 episodes. It just wasn't good.

So yeah I'm hardcore into X-Men.

As for SuperMan I will always think he's stupid one more example:
SuperMan Returns:
He can die from Kryptonite,
He is stabbed with Kryptonite,
left for dead in freezing water,
retrieved by Louis Lane who pulls the Kryptonite out,
SuperMan Fly's to the sun and is completely rejuvinated,
lifts the entire Kryptonite island into outer space :S (wait can't he die from coming in contact to it, no that doesn't matter anymore)
Then suddenly we find out shards of the Kryptonite he was stabbed with are still lodged in him so he plummets to the ground, near death :S.

Fuck That Shit!
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 15, 2011, 07:41:53 am
First: it is "Superman", not "SuperMan"

Second: I don't think you'll ever get Superman, so it's probably best to stop trying.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 15, 2011, 04:59:02 pm
Did you edit my post?
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 15, 2011, 05:51:17 pm
Never touched it. Why?
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 16, 2011, 03:53:09 am
Sorry, got confused.

Superman i'll try and remember that and about all the other men you know BatMan, SpiderMan and so on. There movies usually have everything in Capital so it is hard to distinguish.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: ROJM on August 16, 2011, 05:21:49 am
I'm actually a major X-Men fan I've read like the first 20 issues and have watched every movie.

As for the cartoon I love X-Men TAS, X-Men Evolution started off poorly but the characters were well written and season 3 and 4 weren't bad at all. I watched the first few episodes of "Wolverine & the X-Men" I liked how deep into the storyline it was (as in it wasn't a retelling of how the x-men are formed and everything) but man, I thought the animation for evolution was bad so I don't have words to describe Wolverine and I stopped watching the series after 13 episodes. It just wasn't good.

So yeah I'm hardcore into X-Men.

As for SuperMan I will always think he's stupid one more example:
SuperMan Returns:
He can die from Kryptonite,
He is stabbed with Kryptonite,
left for dead in freezing water,
retrieved by Louis Lane who pulls the Kryptonite out,
SuperMan Fly's to the sun and is completely rejuvinated,
lifts the entire Kryptonite island into outer space :S (wait can't he die from coming in contact to it, no that doesn't matter anymore)
Then suddenly we find out shards of the Kryptonite he was stabbed with are still lodged in him so he plummets to the ground, near death :S.

Fuck That Shit!

But that's the film not the character, SR was a stupid film, so was Wolverine, that doesn't mean the character or the concept of that character is stupid. Anyway the Bruce Timm Batman, Superman and Justice league cartoons are a very high standard and are better to some marvel cartoons.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 16, 2011, 08:19:19 am
@Cube: You're right about Batman, but Spider-Man is written with a hyphen. The reason for the hyphen was to differentiate him from Superman. Because at quick glance, Superman and "Spiderman" look very similar. But the hyphen makes Spider-Man stand out.

Agreed with ROJM. I liked Superman Returns, but it did make some stupid decisions. All that is a plot and film problem, not a character problem. In previous Superman discussions I've given a number of great examples of Superman:

Comics: There are hundreds, but if you want a fantastic mini-series I will once again give a shout out to:

(http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/9/7/9742_400x600.jpg)

Cartoons: The 1940's Fleischer Superman cartoons are CLASSICS. Great animation, fun stories involving scientists, robots, WWII, etc. Not deep by any means, but a load of fun to watch.

(http://www.comicmix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/superman-fleischer-dvd.jpg)

Superman: The Animated Series. From the team behind Batman The Animated Series. Need I say more?
(http://www.toonado.com/images/news/superman-the-animated-series/superman012406.jpg)

Movies: I'll admit, the 70's Superman movies are dated, but they did a LOT for the superhero film genre. The first is a great film. Origin story is told very well, the score is fantastic, the effects are great for the time and it's got Brando and Hackman! THe sequel is a good film as well, though I prefer the Donner Cut.

The upcoming Man of Steel looks to be good, though I don't know enough about it yet. Just that it's a reboot and features Zod.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 16, 2011, 04:02:23 pm
I thought I was supposed to leave Superman alone, well let me know when to stop.

My next attack is 10 years of Smallville - the show couldn't even maintain continuity through a season.
Villain's like Brainiac did so many stupid things just so Superman could win, the laws of Kryptonite were less more unstable than homemade explosives.
In one episode Clarke picked up Kryptonite with his hands while being locked in a Kryptonite Sauna and threw them against the glass in other episodes he falls down while he is feet away from the Kryptonite, and the fact that pisses me off the most is that on paper intelligent villains do the most stupidest things.

Like that last Bruce Timm's Superman/Batman team up movie where Lex becomes president. It was so stupid.

I think Barry is right the character just isn't for me, what pisses me off is that he has such great villain's that are wasted on him.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Barry the Nomad on August 16, 2011, 05:20:17 pm
Smallville, while an intriguing concept, was held back by a lot of things. I've only seen a handfull of episodes, but the low budget hurt the series, and the fact that they intentionally had to hold back on a lot of things hurt it. Like, why not stick him in the suit for the final season? It won't kill anybody. Everybody wants to see it, so why not do more than a few minutes in the finale. I did watch the finale and was like "if only the whole series was like this".

Still, Smallville is in no way an accurate representation of Superman. It tried to be Superman without Superman, with a dash (okay, a heap) of teen drama and cheesy weekly sci-fi series concepts. Like the episode you mentioned.

Anyway, yeah, I didn't say to leave him alone, I just recommended you stop trying to get the whole thing. I tried stuff like Lost, Heroes and 30 Rock, didn't get them so I let them be.

But I still stand by All-Star Superman. Check it out, even if it's a PDF download.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: cube_b3 on August 16, 2011, 08:01:53 pm
Heroes was more or less Garbage, fluctuated worse than Smallville.
30 Rock isn't for everyone.

LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST. WHO WHAT WHY HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE IT.
The quality went down with time, sure but the 1st season was gold.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: CosmicCastaway on August 17, 2011, 06:05:24 pm
Barry pretty much said what I was going to about the Fantastic Four. Mind you the films are enjoyable overall but they really aren't a good representative of the Fantasic Four. The characterization of some of the characters like Doom (one of the most complex characters in the Marvel Universe!!) and Sue Storm could have been much better. I'm sorry, but Jessica Alba was a really bad casting choice for the role of Sue Storm. Didn't fit the character at all in my opinion, and in both movies they always had scenes trying to get her naked. =/  Again, I don't dislike the FF films, it's just that Marvel's first family deserves so much more. They practically gave birth to the Marvel Universe and saved Marvel Comics as a company.
Title: Re: Super Hero movies that need reboots/heroes that need movies
Post by: Berto on February 24, 2022, 09:57:05 pm
Hero that need a movie?
The Sentry.
He's kinda unique,
kinda unstable, unlike usual other super heroes.
He has other side of him : The Void.
For every people he saved,
The Void will scr*w other people to balance.
It made everything what he does always come with a cost.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/07e34163fecf8e71ff970579976b81f7/b6e62062b995926a-16/s1280x1920/8571e2d63c952826802a0d2394ad7b26fdbec876.jpg)