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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Aki-at on September 19, 2014, 11:40:20 am
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After years full of barren release schedules and countless mobile titles, the king of monsters said "No!" and hand developed his own game to revive his beloved Japan, in turn the up and coming Godzilla game has inspired Japanese game developers to push the envelope again and start making traditional games again. Here is the awe inspiring game developed by Godzilla Bandai inc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huv32oZ1Er8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huv32oZ1Er8)
Some other major games shown off;
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t6ofIKAekg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t6ofIKAekg)
Ryu Ga Gotoku Zero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y32Acm1Z4S0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y32Acm1Z4S0)
Final Fantasy XV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnDxg2afpCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnDxg2afpCE)
Bloodbourne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKh_LxrAJQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKh_LxrAJQ)
Dragon Quest Heroes gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-3nwTJ5eL4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-3nwTJ5eL4)
Amongst other things, it's fair to say Japan has had a good show this year, can't wait to try out MGSV and Bloodbourne, hopefully Dragon Quest gets localisation and Ryu Ga Gotoku Zero I'd just have to import ;_;
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I don't know what to think of Godzilla.
I should get around to playing Metal Gear Solid one of these days though. I'm hoping that this Metal Gear Collection 2014 is some kind of PC compilation. If not, I'll get Legacy Collection on PS3 at some point.
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I don't know what to think of Godzilla.
I should get around to playing Metal Gear Solid one of these days though. I'm hoping that this Metal Gear Collection 2014 is some kind of PC compilation. If not, I'll get Legacy Collection on PS3 at some point.
Metal Gear Collection 2014 is a clothing line! Lol
People on gaf were raging mad at Kojima for hyping it up so much.
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Metal Gear Collection 2014 is a clothing line! Lol
People on gaf were raging mad at Kojima for hyping it up so much.
Ohhhhh lol! I thought that was just a joke! hahaha, well looks like I'll pick up the legacy collection on PS3 at some point.
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I don't know what to think of Godzilla.
Be inspired like Japanese developers, revive the Australian gaming industry Mang, the crocodiles believes in you.
Also you should just get into it straight away, the storyline is botched beyond repair but the gameplay has always been good, make one in your head and run with it.
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Be inspired like Japanese developers, revive the Australian gaming industry Mang, the crocodiles believes in you.
Also you should just get into it straight away, the storyline is botched beyond repair but the gameplay has always been good, make one in your head and run with it.
At some point I'll buy a cheapo PS3 and get a copy of Legacy Collection. And maybe I'll import Yakuza 5 and struggle through it as well.
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At some point I'll buy a cheapo PS3 and get a copy of Legacy Collection. And maybe I'll import Yakuza 5 and struggle through it as well.
Well this game is set before the events of 1, 2 and 4, so jumping into it shouldn't spoil the storylines of any one of those titles.
Yakuza 5 is relatively simple to complete the main storyline, it's when you have to try and complete the sidemissions it gets difficult.
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Well this game is set before the events of 1, 2 and 4, so jumping into it shouldn't spoil the storylines of any one of those titles.
Yakuza 5 is relatively simple to complete the main storyline, it's when you have to try and complete the sidemissions it gets difficult.
Everyone tells me I should play the games in release order not chonological order though. Either way, I probably won't get Phantom Pain immediately so I'll probably get on PC at some point. Maybe even Steam Xmas sale?
Let's talk about Bloodborne, I saw some footage, it looks quite interesting. Looks faster paced than Dark Souls, maybe at the expense of variety in weapons/gameplay styles?
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Pumped about FFXV, it's been a long time coming. Glad Nomura has been taken off of this project so he can concentrate on KH3.
DQ.. Not sure about that style of gameplay for a DQ game. Seems like another generic ass Dynasty Warriors game like Hyrule Warriors.
Yakuza looks great, but not giving it much though considering we probably won't receive it here, because Sega..
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Dragon Quest Heroes looks fun. Wtf is up with FFXV? Is this even a Final Fantasy game? What happen to the staple baddies? Instead they replaced all the fantasy with generic soldiers, Monster Hunter style monsters and kept the ugly outdated FFVII designs (aka the start of decline for Square). You know... what made the series great for many years. Its like they abandon it in hopes of more mainstream success.
Instead of having Warrirors, monks, white mages, red mages, beastmasters etc they just have a few bros with real time combat that looks scripted.
The last FF worth playing was IX.
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You know I realised just how good this TGS is when you start thinking of the other software present, The Evil Within, Deep Down, Silent Hills, Persona 5, Hot Shot Golf, God Eater 2 Burst, Resident Evil Revelations 2... I'm hoping some of this momentum can be carried into the following Tokyo Game Show and this isn't just a one off. Who would have thought I'd enjoy E3 would be topped by Gamescom topped by Tokyo Game Show this year?
Let's talk about Bloodborne, I saw some footage, it looks quite interesting. Looks faster paced than Dark Souls, maybe at the expense of variety in weapons/gameplay styles?
Yeah I'm really looking forward to that one. I love From Software but I could never get into Dark Souls though, the speed at which the game was played was too slow for my liking.
DQ.. Not sure about that style of gameplay for a DQ game. Seems like another generic ass Dynasty Warriors game like Hyrule Warriors.
It's actually got some major difference (Spells, companions, RPG elements) that is not present in Musou games. Please Pirovash don't hate my Musou games :(
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I just wish the Dynasty Warrior games actually had... you know, an AI. Its like they use the same engine and skin it, resale, make profit.
Regardless this Dragon Quest game is going to make buckets of cash in Japan.
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Yeah, DQ will sell consoles and make money regardless. I still think it looks weak though. I'm a huge DQ fan, but haven't been happy with the direction Square has taken the Series as of late.
Sorry, not a huge fan of DW, played some on PS2 and got bored with how repetitive they were. I always wanted to give those Gundam DW games a chance though cause I love Gundam Wing and G Gundam.
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TGS is amazing this year.
While Nintendo and MS were dominating consoles pretty much died in Japan. Japanese developers were only making handheld games and the ones that made console games were trying to appeal to typical XBOX 360 owners (see: westerners). Now that Sony is back on top we are getting the types of console games we love Japan for. PS4's line up is looking amazing for Japan.
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Hmm.. Not really seeing the difference in games from last gen to this one. Which games are you referring to? I mean we're getting another mgs, ffxv looks western, bloodborne does too. Are there games I missed that seem more Japanese centric?
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I haven't played a DW or SW since DW6. My poor favorite Wu faction got a bit shafted, in terms of the sort of restricted story mode and stage selections. Though perhaps not as bad as Wei since KT had to make room for Jin. What was the game where they ended the Wei story mode at Fan Castle? :S
At least they made some good additions to the Wu roster recently.
DW games have some cool soundtracks, especially DW3 and DW6.
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Hmm.. Not really seeing the difference in games from last gen to this one. Which games are you referring to? I mean we're getting another mgs, ffxv looks western, bloodborne does too. Are there games I missed that seem more Japanese centric?
Theres been so much news i can't keep track of it all. I just feel like the Japanese game industry is making a huge come back after this TGS. Sony said during their TGS conference that they were working very closely with 3rd parties to revive the Japanese game industry on consoles. They obviously have been judging by this TGS.
Square Enix never had to finish FFXV, they could of let it fade away, would cost them less in the long run. They will never make back the money they have spent on FFXV development. At this point in time I think the only reason FFXV is being completed is pride, showing that the Japanese industry still has development chops. The Square Enix guys seemed really proud showing off FFXV on the live stream.
FF Type-0 was one of the most requested games by PlayStation owners to get localized according to Sony. They probably worked with Square Enix to get it on next gen consoles. Just because something is multiplatform doesn't mean Sony wasn't involved. Microsoft never cared about FF Type-0. Probably even never heard of it.
Not to mention all the PS3 and PS Vita Japanese games that are getting PS4 ports now. Obviously another move caused by Sony. Persona 5 being the big one. These devs had no reason to make PS4 ports with the low install base of the PS4 in Japan. Sony obviously talked with them.
After Microsoft was done money hatting every Japanese developer under the sun, the XBOX 360 killed most Japanese console development. Not saying the PS3 didn't, it was way too overpriced. But XBOX 360 changed the industry, for better in the US, for worse in Japan. Instead of making the kinds of games we love Japanese developers started making games aimed at western audiences. They quickly realized they just couldn't compete with AAA western development and gave up on making console games for the most part. There has been the occasional Japanese console game from big name Japanese devs or niche PS3 games, but nothing major until Persona 5.
This TGS tells me Japanese developers feel hyped about making console games again. Games that feel Japanese, not western. I'm really hyped about that. They seem to be banding together (thanks to Sony) to give the console industry one last shot. If they fail.. well.. at least they went out with a bang.
That is how I feel. I'm so hyped by this TGS. I'm really hopeful the Japanese industry can revive itself.
Also Bloodborne is very Japanese. It's a certain dark Japanese art style. Forgot it's name. my friend told me about it once. It's used in Japanese Manga. not all Japanese art styles are super bright anime.
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Also, lol at this pic
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/35a754e698c5b5d57aed1831ec8ebd30/tumblr_nc7pg9EEvm1shlr1so1_500.jpg)
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When talking about Bloodborne being very Japanese are you referring to Berserk?
I wouldn't exactly say it Japanese per say. Kentaro miura has said many times in interviews that his biggest influneces were movies like Conan the barbarian and Excalibur. He also admires Sam raimi and Tim Burton. I mean the whole setting of berserk is medieval Europe and got the idea of Gutz from a German Knight.
I guess I can see what you're saying, but I still think it's more Western than Japanese.
Also. That pic is hilarious, haha.
I honestly couldn't be more happy that the Japanese industry doesn't have as big of an impact as it used to. I feel like their decline has humbled them a bit, especially Sony. It was something that they badly needed. As much as I enjoy my Japanese games, I needed something different. Their style of storytelling, gameplay, was getting stale.
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Yeah, I would say that Dark Souls and also Bloodborne are both very western influenced and even before that King's Field (which these games are all spiritual successors of both). But is that a bad thing?
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It's possibly a game design difference. Aesthetically yes for example the Souls games look like...Skyrim or whatever, maybe something like traditional Western fantasy modeled after Middle Ages, I don't know what the words are. and Bloodborne has this gothic vibe going on. However, I've seen some people say that certain elements of the way the Souls games are designed with regards to their gameplay mechanics make it "distinctly Japanese" , mentioned sometimes in tandem with its punishing difficulty. Which...I mean I don't know, I never paid too much attention to those because I was never much interested, but maybe it's that.
I think at least this year's TGS was distinctly better than the last one. It seems clear that Square has been plagued by hostile management what with FFXV's handling. And there are also their statements throughout the course of this year on how they plan to make room again for JRPGs and traditional console games, and the SaGa series may actually come back.
For a while now Bandai Namco (they even successfully launched a new multimedia franchise with God Eater! albeit in a popular genre) and Nintendo have been pretty consistent but this year other companies put up a strong showing beside them, like say...Sega.
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Another lame Toyko Game show for me . Sad to see how much all of Japan have fallen behind their Western counterparts . But what goes around, comes around and Japan will no doubt have their time again
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I just wish the Dynasty Warrior games actually had... you know, an AI. Its like they use the same engine and skin it, resale, make profit.
What you're looking at is the higher difficulty levels, that being said the mainline Musou games and their licensed spinoffs are vastly different games.
I honestly couldn't be more happy that the Japanese industry doesn't have as big of an impact as it used to. I feel like their decline has humbled them a bit, especially Sony. It was something that they badly needed. As much as I enjoy my Japanese games, I needed something different. Their style of storytelling, gameplay, was getting stale.
You needed to play better Japanese games! For example, Yakuza.
Alas that's too late now.
In regards to being Japanese, you can share or even be inspired by English, American, German etc designs but still have a flavour that resonates more with the country of origins style than where you were inspired by. Think about shows that American television pick up that are based on English, French etc shows, whilst they have no doubt a lot of influence from the original media, they have very distinctive American designs.
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I more or less agree with what Aki-At's saying.
And yes, try out Chaos difficulty! When I really got into DW5 and 6 that was the most fun, even if I mostly stuck to my preferred characters.
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Tokyo Game Show is over, some surprise announcements that came out during the last press day;
Final Fantasy Tech Demo presentation;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYHpvvRHUA
Project Scissors, spiritual successor to Clock Tower for Vita/iOS/Android (Stop laughing, it sounds promising!)
(http://i.imgur.com/hyzPQGh.jpg)
Working on the project are game designer Hifumi Kouno (Clock Tower director), creature designer Masahiro Ito (Of Silent Hill fame, designed Pyramid Head and Bubblehead Nurses) and Takashi Shimizu (directed the Juon films).
Interviewer: The horror genre has changed a lot since the release of the original CT games. Has Kouno's opinion of how to make horror games also changed?
Kouno: Many recent games focus on action, and/or zombies. Others like FPS games try to be horror, but aren't. If Project Scissors isn't focused on being a real horror experience, there's no reason to make it.
As a fan of the original on the SNES, get hyped!
Overall brilliant showing, I think this has got to be the best showing from a press conference this year. I didn't think Gamescom was going to be topped but have to hand it to Tokyo Game Show. This event brought announcement after announcement, hopefully means Japan has got it's act together finally.
Now to wait and see if three of my anticipated games (Ryu Ga Gotoku Zero, Godzilla and Dragon Quest Heroes) get localised : (
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interesting data from gaf
http://i.imgur.com/VEIPZ6M.jpg
Anyways as I said I'm quite satisfied with the show. Things will never be perfect. but they would be better if SEGA ever started localizing their games. All I know is I need a PS4 in 2015.
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Well, these are the games I would buy if they came to AMERICA:
- Dragon Quest Heroes (if they can bring the One Piece games, yes they can bring this)
- Yakuza Zero
- Metal Gear Solid V (A bit tired of MGS, but Big Boss games are usually good)
- Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (Want more SEGA fighting games, love 2D games)
- Guilty Gear Xrd (Can't believe its 3D, looks gorgeous)
- Phantasy Star Nova
- Persona 5
- Fatal Frame: Nuregarasu no Miko
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Well, these are the games I would buy if they came to AMERICA:
- Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (Want more SEGA fighting games, love 2D games)
- Guilty Gear Xrd (Can't believe its 3D, looks gorgeous)
Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax I believe is in a similar position as Tatsunoko vs. Capcom was in how many licenses they'd need to obtain just to bring it over here. At the very least, Ecole Software/French-Bread's other fighter, Under Night in Birth ex-late, is scheduled to be released in America and Europe next year. And Guilty Gear Xrd is coming out later this year, there's just no American release date yet.
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This TGS has started and ended really good. Lots of new announcements, previews, new builds and information regarding games that are coming in the end of the year and 2015.
Also, Japanese and World gaming's press representatives and gaming enthusiasts already have much expectations for this list of awarded games a.k.a "Best of TGS or Future CESA awards" that includes 2 Sega Games.
http://awards.cesa.or.jp/en/press/pdf/140921.pdf
Congrats to this event by make this last quarter of the year fantastic. :)
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Another lame Toyko Game show for me . Sad to see how much all of Japan have fallen behind their Western counterparts . But what goes around, comes around and Japan will no doubt have their time again
Doubt it. I think japan has had its day. American development is defiantly peaking. I think its going to be a very long time until we see japanese development get to a strong position again. 20 years if at all.
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This TGS has started and ended really good. Lots of new announcements, previews, new builds and information regarding games that are coming in the end of the year and 2015.
Also, Japanese and World gaming's press representatives and gaming enthusiasts already have much expectations for this list of awarded games a.k.a "Best of TGS or Future CESA awards" that includes 2 Sega Games.
http://awards.cesa.or.jp/en/press/pdf/140921.pdf
Congrats to this event by make this last quarter of the year fantastic. :)
All that TGS showed me is that the japanese industry are running out of ideas. There is nothing on TGS that competes to the standard of games from the west that american gamers take for granted. Nothing new and nothing worth getting excited about. The thing is american /western titles are now showing signs of getting in the same creative rut that the japanese have been in for a while now.
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This TGS tells me Japanese developers feel hyped about making console games again. Games that feel Japanese, not western. I'm really hyped about that. They seem to be banding together (thanks to Sony) to give the console industry one last shot. If they fail.. well.. at least they went out with a bang.
That is how I feel. I'm so hyped by this TGS. I'm really hopeful the Japanese industry can revive itself.
Maybe but i think its a false start like so many years when the japanese felt excited about console development..never to really deliver.
The gist is this. Without Sega the japanese game industy on console can't revirgorate themselves. Sega ws the type of company that had all the ideas and the game ideas. In turn that inspired their rivals to do similar games but make it more successful. Sega isn't doing that anymore. Preferring to create titles that will make more money with the minimal cost, no real risks leaving it to others to take and staying focused on the eastern market. The type of solid games and game art titles and the people behind them are all but gone and we have all seen the reason why they were more successful in sega than they are now because Sega had the funds and the courage/ignorance to fund these games. And that's what these guys are unable to really progress in by themselves..from Naka..to Mizuguchi to Suzuki himself. At least on a regular basis. If Sega japan got their act together and went with a full commitment on titles with proper marketing behind them and support from the subsidiaries than we can see once and for all how far they can go as a third party console developer. But they won't for various reasons. And without them to create the titles thsat would inspire their competition to outdo Sega..the japanese game industry console wise isn't long for this world...
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interesting data from gaf
http://i.imgur.com/VEIPZ6M.jpg
Anyways as I said I'm quite satisfied with the show. Things will never be perfect. but they would be better if SEGA ever started localizing their games. All I know is I need a PS4 in 2015.
13 Wii U games is pathetic.
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Doubt it. I think japan has had its day. American development is defiantly peaking. I think its going to be a very long time until we see japanese development get to a strong position again. 20 years if at all.
I'm sure people were saying the same thing in 1988 about American developers (at least outside PC)
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Yeah, but in 88 we didn't have the mobile market taking a chunk out of the console one. Japan is mainly mobile and I don't think anything is going or anyone is going to change that.
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In 88 the console market was being revitalized. In 84 no one thought consoles would even sale in America again. My point is only that situations change.
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I'm sure people were saying the same thing in 1988 about American developers (at least outside PC)
The difference is the market had a crash. The developers didn't run out of ideas. There's a big difference between the same old ideas but with different tech. And that's what's happening in Japan.
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Mobile gaming isn't technically a bad thing. I mean the only reason we are complaining is because phone games tend to suck due to limited budgets, limited control schemes, but the whole idea of mobile games will die out too.
I think the thing right now is that everyone has a mobile phone, everyone. While not EVERYONE has 400 dollars to spend on a PS4 or whatever console. I think paying to play a game is not the greatest business for the consumer and lots of people have seen it.
I think once technology gets cheap enough for gaming, that every run of the mill TV will have a downloadable service built in, is the day that 'gaming' gets its proper Resurrection.
Really, if everyone had a TV that could play PS4> quality games then every publisher would run and re-release their back catalog and make games based on those specs.
Arcades existed because you couldn't get that quality of games at the home, consoles delivered and they died out. Now its the mobile phone taking those consumers away. Is it because its a better experience? Not really, its a more convenient experience.
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Mobile gaming isn't technically a bad thing. I mean the only reason we are complaining is because phone games tend to suck due to limited budgets, limited control schemes, but the whole idea of mobile games will die out too.
I think the thing right now is that everyone has a mobile phone, everyone. While not EVERYONE has 400 dollars to spend on a PS4 or whatever console. I think paying to play a game is not the greatest business for the consumer and lots of people have seen it.
I think once technology gets cheap enough for gaming, that every run of the mill TV will have a downloadable service built in, is the day that 'gaming' gets its proper Resurrection.
Really, if everyone had a TV that could play PS4> quality games then every publisher would run and re-release their back catalog and make games based on those specs.
Arcades existed because you couldn't get that quality of games at the home, consoles delivered and they died out. Now its the mobile phone taking those consumers away. Is it because its a better experience? Not really, its a more convenient experience.
The problem is that the companies involved in mobile gaming are getting huge returns for little investment on the games. And the mobile market is just a bigger market now than home consoles. Console gaming hasn't changed with the times since the MD SNES era. It still about the next machine that has a more powerful board with little bits and bobs added. That hasn't changed in the last 40 years. And it always fall on the same door that the research and development is too expensive on these systems for some companies to really get a profit when you factor in percentage to the company that made the console. The home consoles we have seen in the last decade are also stealing ideas from Sega systems..and now they've finally ran out of things to rip off Sega from and need to come up with their own ideas.And the result? A market that is shrinking by the day.
If home systems are going to compete they need to go in my opinion, the Ouya route and have the titles on a digital download route but those games make use of the system's unique power without it being too expensive for people to buy and third parties to make content for.Simply by connecting to your tv set or PC.
The days of a chunky console taking half the space of you're living room with graphics that aren't that much different to the previous gen from joe public's point of view are coming to an end. They need to adapt to what people want in this century and stop using 20th century ideas for what a console system needs to be.