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Off Topic => Everything Else => Topic started by: ROJM on August 09, 2011, 05:05:51 am
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I don 't know if most of you are aware what's been happening in England or at least in london in the past 24 hours but the term Anarchy reigns definatly apply.
People have been rioting looting and worst burning shops and people's houses, even Sony got caught up in this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mW__m86JWw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mW__m86JWw#)
And apparently its going to get worse. The police have done nothing to stop any of this, at least in america they have the right idea by shooting first and ask questions later.
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BBC describes the rioters as 'youths representative of the local community'.
I am sure everyone knows what they really are. Political Correctness' rot is at its end now.
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It's a little more complicated than that... When I saw many of the people involved in the looting, it's not an issue of race, nor belief, it's pure and simple entiltlement mentality at work.
And it is scary as heck...
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No, it is an issue of ungrateful foreigners literally burning, looting, and pillaging the capital. It should be considered a military affair at this point as it has gone beyond a simple riot. People are literally engaged in combat outside their shops with iron bars as hordes of thieves try to sack their shops.
Ultimately it is the fault of those who created the situation to begin with (multicultural liberals, socialist/Marxists, and conservatives), so it is not entirely the fault of foreigners there, but they have to take responsibility for their actions. If the police are unable to deal with it as seems apparent at the moment, then I doubt the trio of misfit ideologies running the country will be able to maintain their position. Even the most ignorant pleb can see exactly what is happening anywhere in the world. They cannot hide it with misleading words and diverting attention any more.
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As max_cady said, the whole situation is quite scary. A mod mentality with this much violence and destruction in it is a truly frightening thing for anyone caught in it's wake. I hope this ends soon, I really don't want anymore innocent people hurt.
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I thought this was pretty awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJkAo5f8mo4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJkAo5f8mo4#ws)
and of course, tea on the riot sheild:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/stuart_a_wilson/tea.jpg)
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The police have done nothing to stop any of this, at least in america they have the right idea by shooting first and ask questions later.
Uhhhh....what? lol.
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This is what my initial reaction was:
[youtube]GlhOUyy4wbs[/youtube]
Then I realised how desensitized I've been to tragic events, this will hopefully end for you guys in England.
My country probably won't recover, i'll be migrating to states in 2 weeks.
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Oh god lets not turn this into a thing about America... All he ment was that here the police are stretched thin and are not taking the right kind of action because Cameron wants to uphold the long running trend of the police not using extreme force.
The problem is that the times have changed and we now need to bring in the rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons. I know the police are frustrated with it, they have to stand around and take abuse they shouldn't have to from dirty little yobs. It's not political either, most of them are just opportunists trying to loot and cause drama. It's shitty spoiled teenagers that live in one of the easiest places in the world to live and expect things to be handed to them on a silver platter.
We don't need the army as some people have suggested we just need to give the police the go ahead to use the right equipment for the job.
I don't agree with what Kogen is saying and I don't think race is the reason for this at all, but I would say it is about time we closed the boarders and put some strict clamp down on the immigration into this country.
The scenes reminded me of the movie 'Children of Men' one of the best movies ever made I think... Really awesome;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NikEQy1XxDE#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NikEQy1XxDE#noexternalembed-ws)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/28lvrrq.gif)
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What caused this to happen?
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I don't agree with what Kogen is saying and I don't think race is the reason for this at all, but I would say it is about time we closed the boarders and put some strict clamp down on the immigration into this country.
The UK isn't alone in the immigration issue, it's about time most of the west started clamping down on it.
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No, it is an issue of ungrateful foreigners literally burning, looting, and pillaging the capital. It should be considered a military affair at this point as it has gone beyond a simple riot. People are literally engaged in combat outside their shops with iron bars as hordes of thieves try to sack their shops.
Ultimately it is the fault of those who created the situation to begin with (multicultural liberals, socialist/Marxists, and conservatives), so it is not entirely the fault of foreigners there, but they have to take responsibility for their actions. If the police are unable to deal with it as seems apparent at the moment, then I doubt the trio of misfit ideologies running the country will be able to maintain their position. Even the most ignorant pleb can see exactly what is happening anywhere in the world. They cannot hide it with misleading words and diverting attention any more.
Mod edit: Joking or not, do not post racial slurs like that.
What caused this to happen?
In a nutshell: Some black guy got shot by the police,the police said he shot at them first but it turned out he never fired a shot.But he did have a gun. The family went to the police station to demand answers after finding out that he died from the local news. The police refused to see the family. The family went home. But by this time a crowd of people had gathered outside the street and decided to riot after the police apparently knocked down a teenage girl. It then spread to other nearby areas just as depressed as tottenham was IE ghettos. it then spread to more affluent areas. But it now turns out that the riots were orchastrated because people were using Blueberry to inform eachother where they were going to hit next. now its spread to other deprived areas outsider london. And no the people rioting are not immirgrants but are english born and a combination of black and white and most likely poor and underage which is what makes this thing a bit scary. news reports indicate that kids from the age of 7 to 25 are looting and attacking police and commiting arson.
It seems that the london gangs who model themselves after the black american gangs basically started the riots and people who aren't necessarly gang members joined in on the bandwagon when shops started to get looted.
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This would effect England's economy.
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Good, because the imcopetent prime minister and his useless cronies should be kicked out of goverment after this fiasco. All of them were on holiday when this crisis started and that was after another crisis in the economy had reared its head but none of them could be bothered to return, even the deputy PM whose whole point of being in that position is to run the country when the leader is out ofn the country. As Sharky stated the PM wanted to cut the police which he did before these riots started. What do they do they then bring in police from manchester to bulk up the numbers and the next thing you know they started to riot in manchester and the police up there are unable to deal with it. If this affects the economy like its done with the England football match which has been cancelled then good as long as the people in power loses their jobs at the end of it.
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Mod edit: removed racial slurs
But on a serious note, I am not sure what you even mean. How does this involve other continents?
In a nutshell: Some black guy got shot by the police,the police said he shot at them first but it turned out he never fired a shot.But he did have a gun. The family went to the police station to demand answers after finding out that he died from the local news. The police refused to see the family. The family went home. But by this time a crowd of people had gathered outside the street and decided to riot after the police apparently knocked down a teenage girl. It then spread to other nearby areas just as depressed as tottenham was IE ghettos. it then spread to more affluent areas. But it now turns out that the riots were orchastrated because people were using Blueberry to inform eachother where they were going to hit next. now its spread to other deprived areas outsider london. And no the people rioting are not immirgrants but are english born and a combination of black and white and most likely poor and underage which is what makes this thing a bit scary. news reports indicate that kids from the age of 7 to 25 are looting and attacking police and commiting arson.
It seems that the london gangs who model themselves after the black american gangs basically started the riots and people who aren't necessarly gang members joined in on the bandwagon when shops started to get looted.
Reports I have seen describe him as a violent, criminal drug dealer who attacked or threatened police with a gun, which they then fought back as anyone sane would. The man was a known criminal and a threat to society with no regard for the well being of others, so I doubt anyone outside his family feels sorry for him.
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You forgot Polaks!
I didn't,the w comment means anybody from a white context.
But on a serious note, I am not sure what you even mean. How does this involve other continents?
You tell me my Nazi saluting freind. You kept going on about ungrateful foreigners rioting when the reality is that most if not all of the people were BORN in the UK. But if you meant the fact that they were black(which we all know that's what you meant) you're wrong on that front too since it was a combination of different peoples black/asian/white and whatever as well as the victims who were also from that group. This isn't a race problem its a society problem with all british youth.
And since you are fond about talking about immirgration, you live in a country where the majority are descended from immirgrants themselves. The only people that weren't were the native americans who were already living there only to see it get overun by europeanswho rioted against some king because of economic issues and looted an british ship just to damage the tea stock, then these same europeans who brought the blacks then started fighting with other europeans based in the north over the right to own a slave just at the same time when both sides be it the south and the north were activly commiting genocide on the people whose land they took over. So yeah if anybody can tell you about bloody foreigners coming over and ruining their once beautiful land its the american INDIAN.
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I thought this was pretty awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJkAo5f8mo4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJkAo5f8mo4#ws)
That's my local area. Infact, a friend was going into the area when it went into meltdown (And I'll be honest, people in West London did not think this was going to occur in West London, let alone Ealing) and he paniced, reversed into someone else's car when they were fleeing from the chaos. Latter when I bumped into him that night he was going all hysterical and telling me they're invading, stay in your homes, protect your family etc etc
It was so very surreal.
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They're coming for you Aki, there coming for your restaurant!
DONT LET THEM LOOT THE NAANS!
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Aki, you should walk out into the chaos and state "Step the fuck up, it's time to die!". Everyone would back down, I am sure.
On a serious note, I hope injuries, casualties and property damages remain as low as possible. At the moment it seems like basic looting and ruffians throwing stuff around, but I fear it could get much worse. There does not even seem like there is any end in sight... Damn...
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I call bull on the whole "Police abused their power!" thing. If a guy had a gun, then the right thing to do was to shoot back. What were the police supposed to do? Bend over for the criminal? Black or not, he was breaking the law.
This is quite sad and I hope this ends soon. IIRC, Canada also had a riot and America is having one right now over Verizon.
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Everything is going according to plan.
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I call bull on the whole "Police abused their power!" thing. If a guy had a gun, then the right thing to do was to shoot back. What were the police supposed to do? Bend over for the criminal? Black or not, he was breaking the law.
This is quite sad and I hope this ends soon. IIRC, Canada also had a riot and America is having one right now over Verizon.
If the police didn't do anything wrong they wouldn't have tried to cover it up. Not informing the family was just as bad. Now the invesitgation has indicated that he didn't fire at police. Regardless if he was a criminal or not(i'm sure he was) if the police acted properly in the first place then none of this would have happened.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/mark-duggan-police-ipcc (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/mark-duggan-police-ipcc)
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What's going on right now in London has nothing to do with one man getting shot by the police...
It is something far more troublesome. (http://www.garynorth.com/public/8351.cfm)
Understand what has happened in 2011 in Great Britain. This is not social revolution. There is no list of grievances. There are no spokesmen. This is well-organized banditry. This is the most dangerous of all mobs: one without a leader to negotiate with or arrest.
I have a different analysis regarding the causes. First, there is state-funded education, k-12 (or dropping out). Second, there are minimum wage laws, which hit black teenage males most of all. Third, there is a complete breakdown of families, subsidized by state welfare. Fourth, there is envy. Fifth, there is jealousy. Sixth, the cost of organizing violence is falling steadily. The fun and excitement of violence are tempting to young men with no roots and no fathers at home. When you have a falling price for a forbidden fruit, you get riots. Combine it with racial hatred and a life of envy, and you get riots.
The jealous steal. The envious burn. They're already in a city near you.
There will be an incident. There always is.
There may be a riot. If there is, governments will react. Freedoms will be removed. Voters will cheer.
Violence feeds on itself.
The victims of banditry will take it for a while. They have been guilt-manipulated for 45 years. But the day will come when they will dig in, the way the Indian shop owners did in London. But, in this country, the victims will be armed.
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What's going on right now in London has nothing to do with one man getting shot by the police...
It is something far more troublesome. (http://www.garynorth.com/public/8351.cfm)
Well its gone bigger than that, i agree, but the point is that if this incident didn't happen, none of these riots would ever have happened and no one can get away from that fact.
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The guy with the gun was the catalyst but common, all of those people smashing shop windows, burning and looting family businesses don’t give a shit about that guy, they’re just using the anarchy to steal things they want and cause chaos. They might even be making a point if they weren’t doing it in their own neighborhoods, shitting on their neighbors who are probably poor too but trying to earn a living instead of looting.
The ironic thing is that if there was no riot the police would have looked bad, but all this is doing is creating sympathy for them. Nothing proves the need for police like a riot. So what ever point they think they are making its back firing big time.
Finally, there is a strict gun law in England. If this guy who the police shot is in public, with a gun then he’s not exactly a model citizen, what is he planning to do with that gun? What is the soul purpose of a gun? No they shouldn’t have shot him or lied about what happened, but I know if I was a policeman, or anyone for that matter and there was a guy with a gun, I’d be jumpy and frankly I’d rather him shot dead than me.
Mistakes happen; we’re only human, even police officers; if you don’t want to be shot I suggest you don’t carry a gun.
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The guy with the gun was the catalyst but common, all of those people smashing shop windows, burning and looting family businesses don’t give a shit about that guy, they’re just using the anarchy to steal things they want and cause chaos. They might even be making a point if they weren’t doing it in their own neighborhoods, shitting on their neighbors who are probably poor too but trying to earn a living instead of looting.
The ironic thing is that if there was no riot the police would have looked bad, but all this is doing is creating sympathy for them. Nothing proves the need for police like a riot. So what ever point they think they are making its back firing big time.
Finally, there is a strict gun law in England. If this guy who the police shot is in public, with a gun then he’s not exactly a model citizen, what is he planning to do with that gun? What is the soul purpose of a gun? No they shouldn’t have shot him or lied about what happened, but I know if I was a policeman, or anyone for that matter and there was a guy with a gun, I’d be jumpy and frankly I’d rather him shot dead than me.
Mistakes happen; we’re only human, even police officers; if you don’t want to be shot I suggest you don’t carry a gun.
Well that's the thing Sharky, they're not doing it in their own neighbourhoods are they, Eailing enfield and the like are hardly deprived areas, these thugs were going into other areas and tearing them apart. Rich and poor, and its brought the country to a standstill. Where i live has hardly been touched despite it being near tottenham. And in this country i'd rather see people arrested than get shot because if we do go down that road where someone is shot without that person actually using the gun on the police then we are on the road to anarchy which is what has just happened. if he was shooting at police he deserved what he got but he didn't. And like i said a similar thing happened in Greece where a kid got killed by police and that triggered a riot as well as france something similar happened but not as bad as this though. The police have to be mindful that their actions can have great consequences to society as a whole as well as thee thugs who are now learning the full extent of british justice.
Oddly enough the people arrested so far have all turned out to have either good jobs or have rich parents. go figure.
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They're coming for you Aki, there coming for your restaurant!
DONT LET THEM LOOT THE NAANS!
I think I would be helping the cops out, no doubt the food would slow them down, it'd be a service!
Oddly enough the people arrested so far have all turned out to have either good jobs or have rich parents. go figure.
And despite what some people will try to point out, a real mix in races, not just one large group.
Basically everyone who tried to come up with the reasons for the riots are wide off the mark thus far, too much of a mixture of different people and different cases.
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All the white people are chavs (lol)
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All the white people are chavs (lol)
They're pretty much all chavs, because it's the poor young people rioting and those are the first two symptoms of chav.
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Basically everyone who tried to come up with the reasons for the riots are wide off the mark thus far, too much of a mixture of different people and different cases.
New theory, Pulp is playing the Reading and Leeds Festivals soon, the UK is in tatters over their reunion.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbVW_QS2eE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbVW_QS2eE#)
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I'm sorry for going off-topic for a second, but "chav" seems tragically such a classy word to describe one the following:
-Freeloader, loser, wanker or loiterer;
It's easy to fit any of the hooligans that you see in the newsreels.
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A chav (pronounced /ˈtʃæv/ chav) is a stereotype of certain people in the United Kingdom. Also known as a charver in Yorkshire and North East England[1] "chavs" are said to be aggressive teenagers, of working class background, who repeatedly engage in anti-social behaviour such as street drinking, drug abuse and rowdiness, or other forms of juvenile delinquency.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav)
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I dunno why sharky is bent on belivering that all the rioters and looters were from a poor class background when its evident that it was a mixture of a lot of classes. If there is a common theme here then its the fact that most of them were young people.
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When these kids are influenced by the notion that they are victims, who cares which social class they fit into?
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I've read on the Wii News Channel that UK is going to start having an "American" Anti-Gang Police Force procedures in the future to prevent this from happening in the future. (Or spreading quite fast)
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But don't the London Metropolitan Police are already have some sort of anti-riot task force?
I used to see officers riding on horses beating up soccer hooligans after fights between fans of different teams broke out...
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But don't the London Metropolitan Police are already have some sort of anti-riot task force?
I used to see officers riding on horses beating up soccer hooligans after fights between fans of different teams broke out...
I don't live in London, but I'm guessing it is different then just beating up people on a horse. (High Pressure water weapons, rubber bullets, etc)
200 Million Dollars and 5 people died because of this stupid crap. This is sad.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=josHXHnhOt8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=josHXHnhOt8#ws)
It's still the MET, just mounted.
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I didn't,the w comment means anybody from a white context.
You tell me my Nazi saluting freind. You kept going on about ungrateful foreigners rioting when the reality is that most if not all of the people were BORN in the UK. But if you meant the fact that they were black(which we all know that's what you meant) you're wrong on that front too since it was a combination of different peoples black/asian/white and whatever as well as the victims who were also from that group. This isn't a race problem its a society problem with all british youth.
And since you are fond about talking about immirgration, you live in a country where the majority are descended from immirgrants themselves. The only people that weren't were the native americans who were already living there only to see it get overun by europeanswho rioted against some king because of economic issues and looted an british ship just to damage the tea stock, then these same europeans who brought the blacks then started fighting with other europeans based in the north over the right to own a slave just at the same time when both sides be it the south and the north were activly commiting genocide on the people whose land they took over. So yeah if anybody can tell you about bloody foreigners coming over and ruining their once beautiful land its the american INDIAN.
I am a Mik`Maq Indian who lives in Canada, Joe.