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Title: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 23, 2016, 12:26:57 am
Instead of cluttering the US election thread, thought I'd start a separate one here.

So, what are your thoughts on the UK potentially leaving the EU?

I'm still unsure myself, but having ignored the in and out campaign due to the sheer stupidity going on between them, I'm finding more facts and a better insight from those simply looking in or involved in the EU machine.

The problem is, I like the idea behind it, but in its current form it's horrible. They talk about reforms, but the system it currently uses is designed to not let that happen. It seems to me the EU has gotten too big and has too much influence on everything.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 23, 2016, 03:50:34 am
The EU is good for rich countries, shit for poor countries.

The concept is good, but execution terrible.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on May 23, 2016, 09:23:02 am
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So, what are your thoughts on the UK potentially leaving the EU


The sooner the better . I'm all for a free trading area, but completely against a political and economic union . So for sovereignty and democracy issues I want out .
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 25, 2016, 10:06:16 am
Bad news for the remain campaign. They've ran out of things to scare people with :)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 30, 2016, 04:23:04 pm
Well, well, well, this is an interesting turn of events. Seems as though during last years UK election a certain party that's in power may of been gained fraudulently. 10 different police forces across the country are now investigating it.

If this turns our to be true, another election will get triggered and this could see the end of the Tory party with any luck.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 07, 2016, 06:26:33 am
So the "leave" campaign for the EU are starting to see more votes in pre-polls as I expected. The "IN" campaign have done a really poor job of throwing random nonsense and facts at the public and it's had the opposite effect.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on June 07, 2016, 10:09:13 am
Boris Johnson looks just like Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 07, 2016, 10:38:06 am
His younger brother maybe? :)

Despite his many faults, he does has his moments. When Trump falsely claimed their are parts of London the British force won't go to due to fear of terrorists, Boris came out saying there's parts of New York he wouldn't go to, due to fear of bumping into Trump. XD
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 23, 2016, 04:15:49 pm
The EU Referendum here in the UK took place today. The votes are now being counted and we're waiting for the results.

I'm pretty confident we'll stay in now as all the polls are indicating as such. The pound is now doing great in the markets and is at its highest since December. It's the equivalent to $1.50 currently :)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 23, 2016, 11:23:33 pm
Okay...it looks like the UK is leaving.

Not going to lie, I'm actually finding this quite scary.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: JRcade19 on June 23, 2016, 11:39:54 pm
I doubt the UK will remain United if they truly go through it. NI I'm positive will makes moves to separate and Scotland might as well.

Condolences to remainers, and best of luck in this experiment to leavers.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 23, 2016, 11:53:34 pm
I really hope this doesn't trigger a break up of the UK. It would be horrible to see. I don't think Wales will want to, but some are saying the Scottish might have voted out to trigger their own departure.

Rumours have it Cameron is resigning, paving the way for either Boris or Grove. Both of which are absolutely terrible choices.

Britain, my home, what have you done.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: JRcade19 on June 24, 2016, 12:08:40 am
It's official. Leave hit the 16.7 million requisite needed to clinch the win.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on June 24, 2016, 06:00:43 am
So the U.K. is like a continent now? I'm not sure what just happened.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: JRcade19 on June 24, 2016, 10:56:32 am
So the U.K. is like a continent now? I'm not sure what just happened.

While technically not legally binding, TLDR England has just voted to leave the EU. Parties don't HAVE to follow it IIRC, but they'll basically lose any sense of credibility if they don't.

The reason i say England instead of the UK is because there probably won't be a UK in 2 years.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 24, 2016, 02:02:12 pm
We'll have to wait and see. I don't think 'The UK is doomed' like so many are claiming, but it will be difficult. The interesting thing about the SNP pondering on another independents ref is the actual results on the night. Sure, many did want to remain, but many also wanted to leave (38% of the vote).

Despite all this, I don't think they will leave. Right now, their biggest financial asset (oil) is worthless and being in the EU won't help with that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 25, 2016, 04:53:30 am
The reason i say England instead of the UK is because there probably won't be a UK in 2 years.

Excuse me Wales will always  be part of England . And to be honest leaving the EU will be best thing ever to happen to the UK in years.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on June 25, 2016, 04:48:40 pm
I wonder if any other European countries are planning to leave Europe. I also wonder if Texas will have a Texit vote and become a seperate country from the United States.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 25, 2016, 05:04:34 pm
5 other countries have now at least played around with the idea, but I suspect many will be waiting to see what happens to the UK.

The problem there though, is the UK is in a far better place than some. Even after the pound dropped we're still stronger than the Euro. Our financial markets are heading up already and even the EU have said they want to continue working with us.

Like I said, it'll be messy, but the UK will recover fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 26, 2016, 07:10:26 am
Just an update.

The Scottish National Party (SNP) could block the exit. There's a rule in the EU rules that states if a nation part of the country did not vote out, they have the option to block the vote.

I'm not sure how it will work out. Still, maybe it's not all bad: https://youtu.be/i9cLwoTkWes
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on June 26, 2016, 04:55:02 pm
So if Scotland says no, then only Scotland will remain in the E.U.? Wouldn't that cause a war?

I think if Germany declares independence from Europe, then World War 3 will happen. That's exactly how the other two started.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: JRcade19 on June 26, 2016, 06:25:39 pm
Germany IS the Eurozone.
If they leave the EU, it collapses on the spot.

That being said, Germany won't cause World War III by leaving the EU.

World War I started because of Rampant Nationalism aided by a dozen different treaties in conflict with each other.
World War II started because of people being dummies after World War I and German aggression against its neighbors. Germany has no nuclear deterrent, if it tries to start anything it will probably be wiped out by France or Britain, proceeding either or both don't steamroll the dormant German military.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: George on June 26, 2016, 11:30:45 pm
Now that we have NATO and American army, its not going to be easy to start World War III. Tho I'm sure the businesses that profit from wars would love it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 27, 2016, 10:07:38 am
Some interesting develops. Our (er, UK) government will not trigger the start of leaving till they are ready. For those who don't know, in order to leave the EU, you need to tell them you're leaving in the form of a letter or verbally while in the presence of each EU country - through media doesn't count.

I think one of these could be the outcome:

1, the government can just say to the people 'no'. It'll probably end their political career, but if things are that bad, I personally don't think it would. They are in charge to look after our wellbeing after all.

2, As Scotland and NI didn't vote to leave, they could block the entire exit - meaning the UK stays in the EU.

3, We'll leave the EU with 'Leave' voters disappointed as in order to access the single market, we'd need free movement of people.

4, We leave and somehow come to a agreement that allows access to the single market without free movement.

The markets have took a huge hit, but it's not been as bad as many thought. The Pound and the FTSE will jump up once we have more a plan set out anyway.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 07, 2016, 10:49:30 am
So the next PM will be either May or Leadsom. The second women PM since Thatcher.

May wanted to stay in the EU, Leadsom didn't. However, Leadsom is apparently the likely winner and she didn't even want to leave till recently, which people find odd.

More interesting however, both have said they'll only trigger A50 when they're ready. Sounds to me like neither are feeling brave enough to do it and there's a lot of pace gathering to the idea that the UK won't leave now. Things like it needs to go through Parliament first (most there didn't want to leave), then there's legal action against the gov about the certain things.

It's all looking like it won't after all this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 11, 2016, 06:34:52 am
So, Leadsom has stepped out making May the only candidate for the PM of the UK. Guessing it'll take a few days to transfer power.

Update: May to be Prime minister on Wednesday. The markets and pound here is getting stronger for it and the question now turns to who will be her team. Once that's done, it'll be brexit. I'm not so sure of when that will happen though. It's pretty obvious everyone we can are going around the world making trade deals as we speak for the country once article 50 is triggered.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 13, 2016, 11:37:19 am
David Cameron has had his resignation accepted by the Queen. Theresa May is now being made PM by the Queen.

Arise Darth May.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on July 13, 2016, 12:06:43 pm
what's the point of having a queen if she impacts fuck all
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 13, 2016, 12:14:22 pm
Meh, it's tradition I guess. Personally, I'd prefer the Queen to ride into parliament on a white horse swinging a mace to hit someone, but what can you do.

Here's the PM's theme song: https://youtu.be/h7c-n4k3XrU
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 13, 2016, 12:24:12 pm
Seriously though, having her as our PM will probably help us dealing with our exit from the EU if it happens. She's going to make their life hell in negotiations.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: max_cady on July 14, 2016, 03:20:44 am
The thing about the Eurozone especially after that f***ing Lisbon Treaty, as it stands it's not a sustainable project. I don't blame UK for wanting to leave. Ideally the Eurozone would be somewhat a zone where goods, services and people could move around without some of the hurdles. But as it stands, it's this bizarre centralized Belgium-based unit that excessively regulates everything through a centralized banking system and currency. Even worse, we have this mess of a system in which countries like France, Poland, Germany and the likes are just burning cash to essentially keep certain unproductive countries in a perpetual state of financial welfare (or arrested economic development, if you will).


It's bad enough that Greece clearly doesn't give a f*** as long as the money keeps pouring in. Portugal on the other hand, especially the current administration, lives in a bubble, their reforms are reversing the growth we've been experiencing for the past three years. Employment and economic development has become stagnant and it's always because of external factors and because our f***ing press is made up entirely of members of the PCP and LB, they go along with it.


This is frustrating to no end.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on July 14, 2016, 04:08:23 am
Even worse, we have this mess of a system in which countries like France, Poland, Germany and the likes are just burning cash to essentially keep certain unproductive countries in a perpetual state of financial welfare
Is that how you look at it?
As I look at it, it's the other way around.

Rich countries "give" their money excess to the poor ones, on the promise these will eventually pay back with interest.
Of course, they are never able to, so the debt increases and more money is needed.

The rich aren't paying the poor welfare. They are completely controlling the cashflow of the poorer countries.

It's as if I gave you money for your expenses, on the condition that any money you make, you have to give back to me. It's unsustainable.


Ideally, it should work as if the EU was a single country. Like it happens in the US. There is a budget that determines how much a state needs, and the money is shared on a necessity basis.
In Europe, money is shared with absurd interest.
Take Portugal for example, we were in financial trouble, got the cash, and got out of it. By now we could be productive and increase overall european wealth. Instead, we have a huge debt to pay off, with no means to reinvest any money, and slowly walking into another financial hole for, take a guess, the rich countries to lend us some more.


Who the fuck came up with this?
Oh, that's right, the rich countries!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 14, 2016, 04:40:54 am
I wanted to remain in the EU as I thought we could help change it or at least all be in the same boat when it goes wrong - and it is a case of when.

Despite wanting to remain, I do have a lot of issues with the EU and it's relationship with the UK. Free movement doesn't work fairly when you have uneven economies in each country. For example, EU zones have an awful record in youth employment, but the UK is doing really well in that. Extra tax for trading outside the EU zone, the EU's stance on certain global issues, the complete disregard of each separate countries needs and cultures etc.

The amount of countries in the EU isn't an issue, it's the idea that we all have to agree to the same terms that's the problem. We're completely separate countries and have different needs.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on July 14, 2016, 05:23:53 pm
Does the separation mean the people will vote for a conservative in the 2020 elections? Also, who will be the new prime minister this year?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 14, 2016, 11:51:28 pm
They'll be a general election in 2020 where any party can be voted for. The conservatives are currently in power here and although David Cameron has resigned, we already have a new PM in Theresa May. She spent the last day assembling a team that will work around her in different departments.


I'm not exactly happy with this current government either.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 15, 2016, 12:46:40 pm
Update: The new UK PM has stated article 50 to leave the EU won't be triggered till all nations that make up the UK agree on the move and we have clear 'objectives'. David Davis (in charge of leaving the EU) has already said he's not going to be doing much for a while.

My opinion, it seems to me we won't actually be leaving anytime soon and during which, the EU might change and we could potentially not go anyway then.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: pcm92 on July 19, 2016, 05:37:47 pm
Does England have a Bible belt?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on July 19, 2016, 07:24:55 pm
Does England have a Bible belt?
No, but the conservatives are trying to create one. Northern Ireland is the Bible belt of the entire U.K.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on October 30, 2016, 11:34:28 am
Bit of an update, May has said no brexit till March 2017 and the lack of plan has clearly hit GBP and business confidence. What is equally strange though, is Nissan has agreed to make two new cars here in the UK despite Japanese business' stating they're concerns about leaving the EU.

Seems as though something is going on.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 03, 2016, 04:49:38 am
In less then 10 minutes time, a court will give their verdict on whether A50 can be triggered without going through parliament. This could be huge as around 80% of those in parliament wanted to remain in the EU.

If it has to, parliament could easily go against the public vote and stop us leaving the EU. Sure, they'd lose face, but it is their job to look after the countries interests.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 03, 2016, 05:12:03 am
It's been decided. No exit from the EU without parliaments consent. They're going to repeal, but at the moment that's a huge set back from leaving.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on November 03, 2016, 01:10:01 pm
If the EU still wants the UK to stay then it might as well go fuck itself.

I feel for the UK people that wanted to stay, but in political terms it's the equivalent of quitting your job because you're mad at your boss and later coming in to work as if nothing happened.
It's bullshit on UK's part and a complete disrespect for countries like Portugal or Greece that go through loops just to not get kicked out, even though (at least in Portugal's case) it was UE policy that left us to dry economically in the first place.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 03, 2016, 02:30:51 pm
I doubt it will stop the UK leaving as such, but it will mean the right terms have to be met before we agree to trigger A50. Where as before, May had planned on leaving at the end of March 2017 without talking about the how's and who's of it all. Personally, I think that's the right way to it.

Just because the tories are in power that doesn't and shouldn't give them a free pass to do as they want. A lot is at stake here and not just the UK. If this is handled badly, the countries still in the EU will also suffer quite a lot.

45% of what the UK purchases comes from around the EU zones. Everything from cars from Germany to flour from France. It's understandable that many would want to "punish" the UK, but if you look at the bigger picture, it would most likely hurt them just as much in doing so.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 04, 2016, 03:24:28 pm
It's been decided. No exit from the EU without parliaments consent. They're going to repeal, but at the moment that's a huge set back from leaving.


We all leaving the EU , it's a load of fuss about nothing really .
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 05, 2016, 11:11:53 am
Not sure I agree there. Yes, we will leave the EU, but this stops May and co from doing it without answering concerns or question. What I find truly worrying and disgusting is what some of the newspapers have been coming out with since. There's no defence for it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 06, 2016, 02:34:14 am
Not sure I agree there. Yes, we will leave the EU, but this stops May and co from doing it without answering concerns or question. What I find truly worrying and disgusting is what some of the newspapers have been coming out with since. There's no defence for it.

It's a fuss about nothing and just a way of lawyers getting more rich . The judgement is about triggering article 50 and there's loads of ways that can get through the house , it's not about it's not legal to pull out or anything of the sort 

Looking over all that remember the sovereign house approved the Referendum in the 1st place.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 06, 2016, 06:58:01 am
True, but they didn't approve of what type of exit we're having.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 06, 2016, 02:38:53 pm
True, but they didn't approve of what type of exit we're having.

That's beside the point . The sovereign house approved the Referendum and also  its question . And at the end of the day, it was a simple in or out Question and people voted out , Out it out its so very simple  .

You know back in 1975 we weren't told on what sort of EU was we voting on, its result was never challenged even though as Tony Ben said it was held on a back of lie to the British people  and that Referdriumn was binding and so will this one .

We are out of the EU 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 07, 2016, 12:30:59 am
Exactly. They voted on having the referendum. Now we have the verdict on said referendum, parliament now needs to do their job and discuss and come to a majority agreement on the type of exit we'll have.

It's pretty hilarious to see so many Leave supporters fail to understand what they actually voted for. The main argument for leaving was to "take back control". Yet, as soon a our sovereign parliament try to take control, many leave voters don't like it.

I'm 99% certain we'll leave, but it's all about the method of how we leave now that needs to be addressed. Simply cutting away entirely is incredibly dangerous for everyone. Not only that, but on further research, it seems as though it actually goes against Article 50. Article 50 states that when triggered, negotiations have to be handled smoothly to protect the people of both parties.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 07, 2016, 09:51:48 am
The main argument for leaving was to "take back control". Yet, as soon a our sovereign parliament try to take control, many leave voters don't like it.


The people voted out of the EU and out is out . It's so very simple and all the government now needs to do is get on with and try and strike tariff feel deals . If Scotland was to ever win its referendum, only for the UK parliament saying  we not having that, tries to put another vote to the Scottish people on what type of Independence do you want, tries to hold yet another Referdrum or lose stil just refuse to recognise the result   They would be riots on the streets.

The Welsh assembly referendum was won the back of lies and a tiny minority. It got through  even if its a big waste of money and time and just a talk shop


The EU Ref vote was clear, just like the question . "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union"  And the UK voted NO so the people don't want to be a part of the EU : its so clear its almost laughable . We out of the EU end of line
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 07, 2016, 01:08:25 pm
Be honest, do you think it will work?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 07, 2016, 02:08:02 pm
Be honest, do you think it will work?

Yes and we'll not see much difference . IMO because there's going to be a massive shortfall of cash in the EU (since we were the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU and also paid a net £10 Billion a year ) The EU will give is tariff free access to the single market, but we'll have to pay some £5 Billion odd a year for that pleasure.

Where we could see some issues with jobs and costs , is when it comes to Airtravel in the EU  and that Is a big and huge issue that's not going to be easy to sort out tbh
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 07, 2016, 02:30:05 pm
I wish I had your optimism, buts as I'm sure you know, there's a lot of questions that need to be addressed. Things like scientific research funding, security, immigration, farming etc.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 08, 2016, 01:53:18 am
I wish I had your optimism, buts as I'm sure you know, there's a lot of questions that need to be addressed. Thinks like scientific research funding, security, immigration, farming etc.

That's load of old tosh . What part of being a net Contributor do you not understand ? Even with all the grants, regeneration funding farmings subs everything even the rebate (which we never actually give to the EU) we still pay a net £8 to £10 a year to the EU . So if the UK Government wants to its got the money, se technically are already funding those projects and pay  extra £8 Billion on top of that  net into the EU for that pleasure .

If like Ireland we get far more for the EU than we pay into it, I'll be worried but we not we pay more into the EU than France and yet get far less out . Here's the best thing too, don't like how our elected government spends the money, vote them out .

If the EU was so wonderful please explain to me why EU countries have unemployment rates of 23% for Greece, 19% for Spain, 11% for Italy , 10% for France and for Youth unemployment it's even worse ... 50% for Greece, 43% for Spain, 39% for Italy and 24% for France and how does the unelected elite council  of the EU choose to spend the money and fix these issues bailing out a failed Euro and spending nearly half of the EU budget on farming Subs .

We are so much better out of that its untrue and just remember you don't have to be a member of the EU to get access to the single market or sell your goods traiff free. SEGA been doing it for years (a Japanse corp) just like Sony (a Japanese corp) any when we use our mobiles just remember that the likes of Apple are an American corp , just Microsft
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Team Andromeda on November 08, 2016, 01:53:49 am
That's load of old tosh . What part of being a net Contributor do you not understand ? Even with all the grants, regeneration funding farmings subs everything even the rebate (which we never actually give to the EU) we still pay a net £8 to £10 a year to the EU . So if the UK Government wants to its got the money, se technically are already funding those projects and pay  extra £8 Billion on top of that  net into the EU for that pleasure .

If like Ireland we got far more for the EU than we pay into it, I'll be worried but we not we pay more into the EU than France and yet get far less out . Here's the best thing too, don't like how our elected government spends the money, vote them out .

If the EU was so wonderful please explain to me why do EU countries have unemployment rates of 23% for Greece, 19% for Spain, 11% for Italy , 10% for France ? . For Youth unemployment it's even worse ... 50% for Greece, 43% for Spain, 39% for Italy and 24% for France and how does the un-elected  elite council  of the EU choose to spend the money and fix these issues bailing out a failed Euro and spending nearly half of the EU entire  budget on farming Subs .

We are so much better out of that its untrue and just remember you don't have to be a member of the EU to get access to the single market or sell your goods traiff free. SEGA been doing it for years (a Japanese corp) just like Sony (a Japanese corp) any when we use our mobiles just remember that the likes of Apple are an American corp , anyone who likes to Google (a amereica corp) or what about all those America TV shows, Films we like to buy or watch inthe Cinema the likes of Fox or Disney are America corps


Last time I checked, Japan or America weren't part of the EU
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on November 08, 2016, 12:50:29 pm
I see your point. I just hope it can work out okay for everyone.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on January 24, 2017, 03:57:11 am
Article 50 can't not be triggered without consent of both houses. It'll probably go through parliment, but the lords can just say no.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on March 13, 2017, 02:33:43 pm
Seems set for the end of march now and the SNP are calling for another referendum on Scottish independants.

I'm off to bury my head in the sand because of this complete mess. I've always heard stories of how bad the tories were when they were last in power and it seems they were wrong. They're much, much worse. They're willing to gamble everything just to stay in power and you know what the really sad thing is? Other parties have just accepted it. It's utterly pathetic and spineless.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: pcm92 on March 17, 2017, 09:39:37 pm
Does the British national anthem change if a king succeeds the queen?

Has the UKIP ever won any elections?

Is the U.K. a continent since Brexit happened?

Why is Northern Ireland separate from regular Ireland?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shun-Di on March 17, 2017, 10:59:06 pm
That's load of old tosh . What part of being a net Contributor do you not understand ? Even with all the grants, regeneration funding farmings subs everything even the rebate (which we never actually give to the EU) we still pay a net £8 to £10 a year to the EU . So if the UK Government wants to its got the money, se technically are already funding those projects and pay  extra £8 Billion on top of that  net into the EU for that pleasure .

If like Ireland we got far more for the EU than we pay into it, I'll be worried but we not we pay more into the EU than France and yet get far less out . Here's the best thing too, don't like how our elected government spends the money, vote them out .

If the EU was so wonderful please explain to me why do EU countries have unemployment rates of 23% for Greece, 19% for Spain, 11% for Italy , 10% for France ? . For Youth unemployment it's even worse ... 50% for Greece, 43% for Spain, 39% for Italy and 24% for France and how does the un-elected  elite council  of the EU choose to spend the money and fix these issues bailing out a failed Euro and spending nearly half of the EU entire  budget on farming Subs .

We are so much better out of that its untrue and just remember you don't have to be a member of the EU to get access to the single market or sell your goods traiff free. SEGA been doing it for years (a Japanese corp) just like Sony (a Japanese corp) any when we use our mobiles just remember that the likes of Apple are an American corp , anyone who likes to Google (a amereica corp) or what about all those America TV shows, Films we like to buy or watch inthe Cinema the likes of Fox or Disney are America corps


Last time I checked, Japan or America weren't part of the EU


Sega of America and Europe need to hire more people to make games beside publishing them.  A year or two ago they both took a major hit, right around when Sonic Boom happened.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on March 18, 2017, 12:40:57 pm
1) Does the British national anthem change if a king succeeds the queen?

2) Has the UKIP ever won any elections?

3) Is the U.K. a continent since Brexit happened?

4) Why is Northern Ireland separate from regular Ireland?

1) The anthem does indeed change to "god save the king".

2) Nope. UKIP have a big mouth and kept getting attention despite only having one MP. They had more say in the EU, but never did anything - ironically.

3) No. We're still part of Europe, but leaving the EU which is a political union.

4) Mainly political and religious reasons that lead to a very violent time many years ago. N.Ireland stayed british (it was taken over years ago) Ireland went it alone. I've been to Belfast before. The people and place is lovely, but there's still security concerns resulting in armed police on the streets.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: pcm92 on March 18, 2017, 10:41:57 pm
Thanks for answering those. I have thought about traveling to the U.K., but I'm just not too sure about how things differ there coming from the U.S.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on March 19, 2017, 08:32:39 am
No problem. I've never been to America so I can't comment, but I do know a few ice hockey players from Canada and America as they play over here. They say getting here is easy, it's going back that takes it out of you during the flight. Not sure why mind.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on March 20, 2017, 12:14:55 pm
Article 50 will be triggered on the 29th. Here we go.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on March 29, 2017, 02:15:36 am
Unless we're asking the England football team to deliver it, it's happening today. Best of luck my fellow Brits.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on April 19, 2017, 12:16:07 pm
Dear Fellow Brits,

This is your last chance to not go down a road that will end in your own destruction by voting the Tories back into power.
So please, do make the right choice.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 08, 2017, 07:54:05 am
If the local elections are anything to go by, the tories will be back in power. I can't fathom it, I really can't. Since they've been in power alone, the national debt has been 7 times higher, multiple strikes from nhs etc, an internal fight which lead to a dangerous eu referendum, lies on lies, a law to pretty much end privacy and massive u-turns on ideas straight before coming out with this "strong and stable" campaign slogan.

And people vote these ejits in.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 08, 2017, 11:01:32 am
Just come to Portugal, enjoy wine and the beach
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on May 08, 2017, 11:47:00 am
What is your opinion on France's election?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shun-Di on May 08, 2017, 01:51:13 pm
I nominate Antoine D'Coolette for leader of France.  He will make sure there will be escargot and margarine for everybody.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 08, 2017, 02:49:37 pm
Just come to Portugal, enjoy wine and the beach

Hehe. Thanks, but I don't think I could deal with the heat.

About France...I think regardless of who won, it's very dangerous. It's good Le Pen didn't win, but Macron isn't exactly a known qantity and although he claims he's on the center, his stance on issues and the way he portrays things seem to put him slightly more to the right I'd say. What bothers me most though is this idea that France has beaten the slow rise of right wing parties like NF or ukip when all they might have done is delay them.

11 million people in France still voted for Le Pen and many simply picked Macron because there was no alternative. Macron himself said Frexit will happen if the EU doesn't change, but the problem there is Marcon's vision for the EU was already rejected by EU members and will be in the future looking at the current state.

Marcon's biggest problem though is at home. Yes, he's the president, but his power is very limited due to not having any support in goverment. The french elections are not till June and as he wasn't that popular to begin with, there's a good chance he won't be able to get enough support for a majority goverment. If he doesn't get enough power, he'll basically be sitting on his hands doing nothing the entire time he's a president. Meanwhile, if things don't improve, the NF could gain more voters.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on May 08, 2017, 08:35:01 pm
So does that mean you are left wing?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 08, 2017, 09:27:27 pm
No, I consider myself more in the center. Sure, you need to be tough on issues, but you also need to be fair and see that some people need more help then others. The problem is so many parties in the uk claim to be in the center (even the tories and ukip) it's almost laughable.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: pcm92 on May 09, 2017, 12:37:36 am
The French people should have used their brains more in their election. France is a country divided between socialism and centre-right ideologies amongst the citizens.

Not to mention the drugs that are pouring in due to the lack of a proper border and terrorist attacks are becoming very frequent.

Even if Le Pen won, she would have had a very hard time turning the country around for the good. Macro just will not know what he's doing.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 09, 2017, 02:38:07 am
The French people should have used their brains more in their election. France is a country divided between socialism and centre-right ideologies amongst the citizens.

Not to mention the drugs that are pouring in due to the lack of a proper border and terrorist attacks are becoming very frequent.

Even if Le Pen won, she would have had a very hard time turning the country around for the good. Macro just will not know what he's doing.

Macron has already said he wants to change workers right which lead to a protest march that got ugly. There was even a protest march from those that reluctantly voted him in.

As I said before, Macron might be stuck doing nothing as president if he doesn't win enough seats in June. This could give the NF fuel to grow.

Meanwhile in the UK , Labour leader Corbyn has said he won't step down if they lose the next election...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: pcm92 on May 09, 2017, 01:56:46 pm
Women just can't win any presidential elections, can they?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 10, 2017, 12:24:08 am
Not sure as presidents, but there has been and are many women in power.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on May 15, 2017, 07:48:58 pm
So Trump is in trouble for giving classified information to Russia about ISIS. Will he be impeached for something that simple? If so, Will Mike Pence be the next president?

Jerry Brown thinks he should have been impeached just for being too divisive. Meanwhile, Martin O'Malley seems to be the most likely nominee for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 16, 2017, 12:57:17 pm
I doubt he'll get impeached. He's in power now and he seems unlikely to give it up unless they have indisputable evidence on film or something. Even then, I bet he'd quit before it went public to save face.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: pcm92 on May 16, 2017, 04:43:40 pm
Giving information to Russia about ISIS to encourage Russia to help fight against ISIS is not treason. Especially since he did not give Russia an adequate source of where he was getting the information from.

Martin O'Malley has not officially announced his candidacy for president. None of the major contenders will until 2019.

If you wanted to see POTENTIAL contenders, then click on Democratic Party with this page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2020
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on May 17, 2017, 11:52:01 am
Al Green and Maxine Waters are calling for a Trump impeachment. Though, i think it's too early for them to do that successfully.

I said Martin O'Malley SEEMS like he will be the next Democratic nominee. I would rather have Jason Kander or Roy Cooper though.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 17, 2017, 12:11:02 pm
He's playing the "everyone's against me" card already.

Looking beyond Trump, I think the rise of the "right wing" has been from failing governments all around the world. Even if they don't actually get into power, the rise has still been there.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on May 19, 2017, 11:46:25 am
I feel like I overestimated Donald Trump. He said he would do things completely different than past presidents and he hasn't done hardly anything since he took office. I guess there really should be a difference between being a businessman and a politician.

I am also a centrist, but if the Democratic party fails to provide a decent candidate (once again) in 2020, then I don't think I'm voting.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 20, 2017, 09:10:55 am
The thing is, most places have systems in place to stop those in power from going completely power hungry and doing whatever they want. This is the stumbling block all parties hit when they realise they can't actually do what they said they would during their campaign and it can rightfully (and sometimes wrongfully) bite them in the backside later on.

Changes are needed at times, but in doing so it can cause issues and have a knock on effect which even experts aren't completely sure about. It can be made even worse if those in power are likely to abuse these powers too.

As for voting...Spock, please keep voting. You'll never agree with a party or person 100% but that's just how it goes. What you can do though is vote for someone you can at least mostly agree with.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 22, 2017, 05:27:53 am
What if i don't vote to show my disatisfaction with the system
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shun-Di on May 22, 2017, 08:06:58 am
What if i don't vote to show my disatisfaction with the system

Then everyone must do the same to have any kind of effect.  Knowing our corrupted government, they will just rig the polls anyway.  We need some 3rd options.  Some real ones, not the same ones over and over forcing us to choose the lesser of two evils. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 22, 2017, 09:51:11 am
Then everyone must do the same to have any kind of effect.
Isn't that the truth about voting on someone as well?

Maybe if 50% of the population doesn't vote (Portugal's case) it actually says something about the choices.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 22, 2017, 12:16:50 pm
It doesn't work that way anyway. If you want to show your against the choices presented you have to say that by protest voting: http://www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

By writing none on the voting slip, it means no one in the election represents you and if enough people do it, they have to change the system.

Update: In the UK.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on May 22, 2017, 10:14:18 pm
It doesn't work that way for the U.S. at all. We have a two party system here, whereas in the last Portuguese election, I think you guys had like six?

We normally have four people running, but only two of those can win. The Democrats and Republicans.

The Green and Libertarian parties are just there for people who do want to vote "none of the above." They never actually win any state votes whatsoever.

The closest independent to winning the election in recent history was George Wallace. He only won five states and that was back in 1968.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 23, 2017, 07:56:29 am
You guys are not understanding my point.

You're basically saying "well, if you don't vote people get elected anyway". Then why should I give two shits in the first place?
The system is screwed up. I don't want to take any part in it, and I could say the same for half of our population. What's the alternative?

Like in the US. Hilary and Trump were awful candidates from a neutral point of view. Both of them were absolutely despicable. The race was still between them both, so why bother?
I'd be dead before I'd vote for someone so that "X doesn't win". That's propaganda, and it sickens me.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shun-Di on May 23, 2017, 10:09:16 am
You guys are not understanding my point.

You're basically saying "well, if you don't vote people get elected anyway". Then why should I give two shits in the first place?
The system is screwed up. I don't want to take any part in it, and I could say the same for half of our population. What's the alternative?

Like in the US. Hilary and Trump were awful candidates from a neutral point of view. Both of them were absolutely despicable. The race was still between them both, so why bother?
I'd be dead before I'd vote for someone so that "X doesn't win". That's propaganda, and it sickens me.

I think that's why some people voted for Trump thinking it was going against the system, but it actually wasn't.  It was pretty much as bad as voting for Goldman Sachs or a Rockerfeller  Why would you trust a business man to be a politician?  That's like voting for Rufus Shinra!  Was it to solve the national debt?  Yeah we're in serious debt, but so far Trump is pulling us even deeper into it.  Then you have the meat heads who claim to be true Americans (Oh i'm sorry, MURICANS.  Pardon my education.) who voted for him to "kick out those dirty Mexicans stealing our jobs, raping our women, and selling us drugs."  This is the same president who is ensuring we remain at war with the middle east just so he can help companies make more money off of war and oil.  It didn't help the democrat side when they started siding with the SJWs who were pushing their agenda on literally anything and everything.  They made anyone who was white, straight, and male look like racist, mysogonistic scum.  And guess what Trump is?  Republicans are anti gay and anti abortion.  Republicans are radical christians.  Democrats have caused riots on the streets and started the black lives matter movement.  It creates this sort of left vs right.  Both sides are forced to be opposite of each other even if politicians are forced to switch sides and flat out lie about their own individual ideals.  It's so stupid.  I'm hoping more people catch on, the media is getting dumber each day, whether it's covering Trump or not.  I'm independent and have been since seeing this crap happen back around the time between Bush and Obama. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 23, 2017, 10:36:44 am
In the midst of this political chaos, does it even make sense to vote? That's my issue with the whole thing
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 23, 2017, 11:17:10 am
I'd say yes. Even if no one really represents your views, you should still vote for the party that is as close to them as you can get. If you don't, you could end up with someone who will really do some damage to your way of life. The current UK election is a great example of this.

There's no way I'm voting for the Tories, so tactically, I'm voting for someone who has the most chance of stopping them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 23, 2017, 11:59:01 am
So you vote against a specific party. I don't want to insult, but that is pretty stupid in light of what the democratic process is supposed to be. And it doesn't even work.

I understand your reasoning, but again, it just goes to show how fucked the system is. And as long as people keep participating, it'll stay the same
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 23, 2017, 12:03:18 pm
What would you rather have then? It's not perfect, but it's one of the best systems you can get. The only other way you could make it better is by AV or PR voting which can lead to other problems.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 24, 2017, 03:33:58 am
Just let me be in charge :^)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 24, 2017, 04:45:45 am
So a dictatorship? They've worked out so well in the past haven't they :)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 24, 2017, 06:31:29 am
I'll be the best yet
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 24, 2017, 07:05:34 am
Hehe, least you're one of us I suppose. It'll take sometime before you go power hungry and turn into emperor Palpatine...how long do you think? :D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 24, 2017, 10:09:21 am
If I had all power I'd ban Nintendos day one for sure :D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 24, 2017, 10:48:19 am
Huh...not all bad then. Throw in some free pizza and I'm onboard!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: crackdude on May 24, 2017, 11:17:10 am
Sega Genesis n Chill will be a thing, I can assure you fellow citizens.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on May 24, 2017, 01:58:26 pm
I don't see how someone can claim to be a centrist, then turn right around and say they only vote for one party.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 24, 2017, 03:17:33 pm
Is that in reference to me?

If so, I never said I vote for one party. I said I won't vote for the tories. The general election in the UK is very different to the nornal one. It's also deciding who handles the EU talks and seeing as the current tory group in charge of it don't have a clue (the main bloke literally said he doesn't have a clue) it would be insane to vote for them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shun-Di on May 24, 2017, 10:29:08 pm
Sega Genesis n Chill will be a thing, I can assure you fellow citizens.

"Make Sega great again."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on May 26, 2017, 07:20:17 am
It's probably nothing, but here in Britain a recent poll suggests the Labour party have really caught up and it's almost neck and neck between the Tories now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 02, 2017, 01:07:18 pm
The germans are taking Trump's recent choice well.
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/870532722237853697
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shun-Di on June 03, 2017, 06:23:00 am
The germans are taking Trump's recent choice well.
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/870532722237853697 (https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/870532722237853697)

From one of my favorite writers too.  :D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on June 04, 2017, 01:14:19 pm
I sure hope all the people on this site from the U.K. are safe. Tad?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 04, 2017, 01:35:10 pm
I'm good thanks. I don't live anywhere near the attacks. The attacks have triggered more security as expected and even in work they're training us up on new measures, but that's it.

I'm just tried of them all now really. Paris, US, UK, Germany, wherever, I'm just sick of them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 08, 2017, 08:33:12 am
Voting day. No doubt we're looking at a Tory win which almost renders this entire election pointless. I say almost as we've now seen just how hopeless the current Tory team are and the likely outcomes for leaving the EU and the UK's future.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Nameless 24 on June 11, 2017, 11:08:48 am
Corncerned how the Tories will team up with the DUP to be honest.

Glad Labours put a lot of fight in the campaign to reduce the majority but I fear it will not be enough should the Tories fail and we are put into another election.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 11, 2017, 11:42:27 am
I don't even know where to begin with the mess that currently is British politics. The Tories through their media attacked Corbyn for having friends in Ireland and potentially making a coalition of chaos with the Lib dems/SNP etc. Now the Tories plan has backfired they're having to jump into bed with...an Irish party and with that comes chaos. The irony.

So, as things stand, this new Tory gov will have to do this:
 
Negotiate with the DUP to form a gov
Negotiate every policy the Tories want with the DUP
Negotiate polices the DUP want with the Tories
Somehow keep the peace with the rest of Ireland
Negotiate with the EU
Negotiate with the DUP about Brexit
As they've lost seats, struggle to get anything through parliament (not a bad thing mind)
At some point, a new leader for the Tories as May's lost too much.
At some point, a new election too.

Sounds fun, huh?

Meanwhile, the markets are shaky and the pound is quickly becoming known as the British Peso for being so weak. All this just because of a lying campaign to get us out of the EU. The pathetic thing is, we could really do with all the parties coming together to sort this out, but because they're too tribal, they won't. The easiest answer for the Tories and for the UK is for them to resign from power, but they won't. They're too thick and greedy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: pcm92 on June 11, 2017, 09:19:47 pm
Why does the UKIP exist if they don't ever win any elections?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 12, 2017, 01:47:07 am
If you can afford the "entrance fee" anyone can try to get elected. You don't have to even be a party and can stand as an independant. Some do it for a laugh too mind. In the last election, we had Elmo, a party called Monster Raving loony and Lord Buckethead going against Prime Minister May: http://cdn.revistagq.com/uploads/images/thumbs/es/gq/4/s/2017/23/lord_buckethead_3375_680x378.jpg
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Nameless 24 on June 15, 2017, 10:56:00 am
If you can afford the "entrance fee" anyone can try to get elected. You don't have to even be a party and can stand as an independant. Some do it for a laugh too mind. In the last election, we had Elmo, a party called Monster Raving loony and Lord Buckethead going against Prime Minister May: http://cdn.revistagq.com/uploads/images/thumbs/es/gq/4/s/2017/23/lord_buckethead_3375_680x378.jpg

You forgot Fishfinger Head went up against Farron!

I think the Lib Dems severely weakened themselves from the last Coalition to even be seen as a force ever again.

Despite the youth vote helping Labour, they still were 40+ seats off of a weakened Tory cabinet, so I fear that Labour need to try and snatch those Tory voters somehow in the countryside constitutions.

Although I personally don't trust Labour or the Tories, I would rather have a Labour government based on my families needs (I'm a Green Voter which sadly doesn't mean much in the UK).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on June 17, 2017, 02:04:08 pm
Ah, yes. Mr.Fish Finger hehe. I doubt we'll ever see a coalition again in a while after the last one being so unfairly damaging to the Lib Dems. As Paddy Ashdown said, "no party will put the country first again if this is how they'll be treated." If we fast forward to now, we can see he was right. Not one of big parties would do it and even the DUP deal is policy by policy instead.

Sadly, the fight will always be between Labour and the Tories unless we get rid of our current voting system of FPTP. AV or PR would be better. I think the greens are slowly going to die now mind. The world has no choice but to change and apart from America/Trump, we are really.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Spock on June 24, 2017, 11:24:44 am
The United States of America will not last as a country if we have some of the worst healthcare in the world.

U.S. doctors are limited to what they can do because of American health insurance companies.

The lawyers have only made things worse because of how many Americans are in love with lawsuits. It does not need to be a win or lose for either party. We should come together as a country and find a solution for these disasterous healthcare plans.

None of all the last few recent U.S. presidents have understood this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shun-Di on June 25, 2017, 05:16:29 am
People act out emotionally, not stopping to think things through.  It pisses off both the accusers of racism or homophobia and the ones who are accused of being racist or homophobic, it ends up just making it worse.  Identity politics is bullshit.  The only time people are portrayed poorly in the media these days is because of political satire they themselves brought about by acting that way in the first place.  It creates stereotypes they claim are not true.  It's gotten so out of hand that all of it may as well be satire.  Everyone is a special little snowflake.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tad on July 27, 2017, 04:19:09 pm
The way we've built a society is pretty stupid when you think about it. I mean, take a look at university.

People spend thousands to go to uni and hope they pass, then hope they can find a job that's good but also pays enough to pay that uni debt off...and these people are suppose to be seen as smart?

You can join the army at 16, but you can't buy a horror/violent film or cod till you're 18...

We have a planet crying out for renewable energy to take over, yet fracking and other known dangerous energy is still a thing.

We have cycle lanes on a road...right next to bus's, lorries and other motors capable of travelling at high speeds.

We created mobile phones and social media to stay in touch with people we know...yet, when they're in the room, we're too busy playing on our phones or on social media.

Drugs are awful and can destroy your life, but booze is considered safe...

People spend hundreds on under flooring heating to do the job a pair of slippers can do.

We're quite werid, really haha.