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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: max_cady on July 03, 2012, 01:42:11 pm
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Back in the day, I was always kinda careful with the games I picked on the Dreamcast. I am glad to say that as a console, it had a very consistent high quality library of games that anyone would be proud to own. But every console has their own secret shame. Not even a guilty pleasure, just a straight up horrible game. And sadly, even the Dreamcast has a few duds in it's collection.
Here's some of my personal:
90 Minutes - Professional Soccer
Sports games as well, as JRPGs were the Achille's Heel of the system. Worldwide Soccer 2000 was decent, but this one, just takes the cake as one of the worst soccer sims ever.
Soul Fighter
Oh, boy... This was a dud. Terrible graphics, glitchy as heck and so repetitive.
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I've been pretty careful about researching my Dreamcast purchases over the years. The only one that stands out as something I'm not to crazy about is SEGA GT. Not that it's bad really. It's just not my thing.
Zombie Revenge is kind of terrible, but also pretty awesome for the same reasons.
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It's funny, because now I have over 100 Dreamcast games. More than I'd ever imagine owning in 2000/2001. So many are shitty, but I never spent more than a few bucks and I KNEW they sucked so I'm not bothered by them.
The one game I think is really bad that I spent money on at the time is Super Magnetic Neo. It has great graphics, and a cool premise, but it is so unforgiving and difficult. It's not a fair game at all, yet it looks like it's for 5 year olds. If you make a game that looks kiddy, make it accessible for kids!
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Ooga booga was a rather strange game too. I remember finding it for a reasonable proce somewhere but never touched it again after the first time. This is however the only game i can think of
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Ooga Booga is one of those games that without SEGANET, it isn't too great. Unless you gather four friends around the TV. Same with Alien Front Online and even PSO. Great online games, so-so offline games and very boring single player games.
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@SOUP
Funny thing is, I actually liked Zombie Revenge a lot. I think it had some of that "so-bad-it's-good" vibe.
There are a few other games.
A few turds were mostly PS1 era ports that stood out like a sore thumb.
One of those games was Spiderman:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NQOj-PZL9U[/youtube]
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@Max_Cady:
I enjoy Zombie Revenge too. I think it probably would've been even better if it took itself a little less seriously, and embraced the campiness (ala Dynamite Cop).
Too bad all of those PsOne ports can't turn out as good as Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 :(.
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Tony Hawk was pretty good.
But there's a few of 'em that just are errghh...
There's obviously Nightmares Creatures II.
There are a few games that I've never played but I keep seen mentioned on the worst-of lists:
Pen Pen;
Star Wars Jedi Power Battles;
There was one racing game which was completely broken: Ducati: World Racing
I dare you to find a worse racer on the DC, which actually had a huge chunk of excellent racing games. Not even South Park Rally was this bad.
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I thought most people liked Spider-Man? I remember it getting great reviews back in the day. Never played it much, but I do remember the menu voices. Kids mode! Kids mode! Kids mode! Kids mode! Kids mode!
In terms of amount of games, I would say the good outweighs the bad so many times over it is kind of staggering. A lot of the Japanese exclusive games are pretty awful, like Godzilla Generations. The Prince of Persia game was seriously pathetic too, but generally I think even most of the bad games are at least interesting (Ill Bleed, Carrier and D2 are some of the most interesting horror games ever). I will never forgive myself for ever thinking Evolution was going to be a good game, though.
I actually liked Ooga Booga a bit, not really very good, but I tried it one day when I was sick and played it a solid 5-6 hours. Never will touch it again, but that is more than I can say about most games.
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A few turds were mostly PS1 era ports that stood out like a sore thumb.
One of those games was Spiderman
STOP THE FUCKING PRESS.
WHAT.
Spiderman was GREAT! Back in the day everyone was blown away by how good it was. All my friends drooled at the screen. It is regarded as one of the best reviewed Spider-man game of all time. I still love it! LOL Do not trash this game it's wonderful :)
Jedi Power Battles is also a lot of fun in multiplayer.
I dare you to find a worse racer on the DC
Spirit of Speed 1937.
I've caught a lot of bad apples along the years..
I recall Taxi 2 being horrid.
Never enjoyed Soul Reaver though it got great reviews.
Sega WorldWide Soccer 2000 (nothing like the ones on the Saturn!)
UEFA Striker (soccer games were godawful on the Dreamcast, except for...Uefa Dream Soccer or what was it called)
Dave Mirra BMX
Sega Xtreme Sports
I kinda liked the Godzilla one...
Star Wars Demolitions
these are just the ones I still own.. there were more
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Spider-Man wasn't that bad. I think that the Dreamcast version was the best one out of all the ports.
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Yeah, in regards to all the Playstation/N64 ports, you really can't look at them as Dreamcast games so much as upgraded PS/N64 ports. I mean, some games went above and beyond, like Rayman 2 and the Tony Hawk titles, and really became great Dreamcast games in their own right. But stiff like Spider-Man and Star Wars Episode 1 Racer are great games that are basically PS/N64 games with sharper graphics.
Spider-Man was, from what I remember, a great title and one of the few good action/platformers on the console. Nearly up there with Rayman 2 and SA1&2. Dreamcast Magazine raved about it in their last issue.
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I loved Rayman 2...
The problem with these threads are that they quickly become about how good Dreamcast games were..
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I heard the ECW games weren't very good (Anarchy Rulz and Hardcore Revolution). Same deal with WWF Attitude and WWF Royal Rumble.
I played the demo for Tomb Raider: The Last Revlelation, and thought it was pretty bad.
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I loved Rayman 2...
The problem with these threads are that they quickly become about how good Dreamcast games were..
We covered pretty much all the bad DC games in less than 6 pages. That's how great the system was.
@Soup
I loved WWF Royal Rumble out of all the one's you mentioned. But that's not saying much...
I think the only games we haven't covered were:
-The Ring: Terror's Realm (I've seen it listed on a couple of articles as a terrible DC game);
-Crimson Death OX;
-Pen Pen;
There seems to be a running controversy with CD OX, though.
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@Max Cady:
Good to hear that WWF Royal Rumble wasn't that bad.
It's the only one of the ones I mentioned that was published by SEGA, so I hoped it wouldn't be too bad.
I just know the reviews weren't very good for it.
The wrestling games that SEGA developed in Japan (Giant Gram & Giant Gram 2000) are really good. I have Giant Gram 2000, and it even has Wolf from Virtua Fighter fighting alongside Johnny Ace, Vader, and Bruno Sammartino.
I think there were a few SEGAbits readers that liked Pen Pen, but I'm pretty sure that'd be the case with most Dreamcast games that got poor reviews. Somebody out there's bound to enjoy them.
Slave Zero isn't supposed to be very good.
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Slave Zero is cool though.. it just plays weird
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People are going to hate me for this but as much as I wanted to love Outtrigger.... I fucking hated it. There was a bunch of control options and none of them were very good and there were just so many better MP shooters out at the time...
Dud.
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You'll get no argument from me. I also found Outtriger to be very underwhelming as a whole.
It was released during that awkward period of Dreamcast titles which were pretty much arcade ports with barely any new content. Like Confidential Missions, 18 Wheeler, Daytona USA 2001 and Fighting Vipers 2.
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Did you guys play Outtrigger with the mouse and keyboard combo?
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I played it with the regular DC pad.
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The Japanese version came bundled with a mouse, so it's probably the preferable way to play.
I have the mouse, keyboard, and Outtrigger, but haven't given it a shot myself.
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Max, you sure you played Daytona USA 2001?
The gameplay was kinda touchy, but it was the game was the opposite of "arcade port with barely any new content".
8 tracks, 10 cars, new graphics..
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Zombie Revenge is kind of terrible, but also pretty awesome for the same reasons.
I expected this thread to be Zombie Revenge-Less since it's the best game the Dreamcast has to offer...
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I expected this thread to be Zombie Revenge-Less since it's the best game the Dreamcast has to offer...
I was mostly referring to the voice acting :).
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Have any of you played Super Runabout San Fransisco? Most would probably consider it a "bad game" but playing it always made me super happy. Why? Because it's ridiculously hilarious! Incredibly wonky physics, funny unlockable vehicles (you can ride a giant pig!) and going nuts on the great streets of San Fransisco. The game's actual missions are fun too, but I loved just messing around and seeing how crazy I could make my crashes. I had a replay saved on my VMU of police car continuously rolling down the hilly streets and the switching camera angles made it 10x funnier. Whenever I needed a good laugh I would watch the replay.
So yeah, it's obviously not one of the top Dreamcast games out there, but I had many fun-filled hours with Super Runabout!
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Never played that one myself. Sounds pretty interesting though.
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chuchu rocket was dumb
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chuchu rocket was dumb
Play it with 3 other friends, and you might change your mind on that one.
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Wasn't Evolution Worlds a pretty bad RPG?
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I found Evolution to be alright. I loved the character designs and concept, but it was just a mediocre rpg. Nothing amazing.
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When I first got a Dreamcast not long after the launch it came with Sonic Adventure and Virtua Fighter 3. I was a bit disappointing with VF3 at the time so decided to trade it in.
I could of got Soul Calibur, but..
It was 1999, I was a teenager, and was big time into South Park, so i got Chef's Luv Shack.
About an hour after of playing it later I realized what a mistake I had made. A game that ultilised so little of what the Dreamcast could do that the back of the box featured 'Controller compatible' because it didn't even need a save file. it was like a flash game on a disc. 70% of the game is a dull mostly un-funny quiz with mostly questions that only Americans would get (even says "watch south park on comedy central at 10pm!", a channel we don';t even have in the UK) and the other 30% was a bunch of mini games that just ape classic retro games except they last about 10 seconds are are not even that funny either.
Worst of all: if you are playing on your own the game doesn't pit you against CPU players, it just puts you on your own, so no matter how badly you play you will win none the less.
So yeah this game isn't the worst Dreamcast game but because my stupidity of trading VF3 for it back in '99 I have a special kind of hate for it.
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Spirit of Speed 1932. Easily the worst Dreamcast game I ever played.
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Here's some of my personal:
90 Minutes - Professional Soccer was a piece of crap and the game was from smilebit for god sake !
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the worst dreamcast game i ever played? hmm i kinda like all the games but i dont like the sports genre in the DC era. probably virtua striker was the only one i liked. but thats because i used to beg my dad to play vs 1 and 2 in the arcade hall. that does not exist anymore.
the wors wors wors
man thats hard. ii used to say maken x is dumb but i got used to it and start to like it
YES I KNOW NOW
.....carrier........
that resident evil rip off. it lacked spirit and it was made to earn money and u could feel that the game makers had no love
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I don't think anything sucked more than Shenmue ::) ! Just kidding, the game that sucked was "Soul Fighter" Hated that game!
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Semmie, I liked Maken X, but I'm a giant Atlus fan.
The Dreamcast actually had a lot of kind of crappy "filler" games, like Silver, and Expendable.
I also thought Incoming! was pretty bad. That's the game I got with the system for XMAS because Sonic was sold out.
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Expendable is pretty fun to play coop tho
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I should highlight all the football/soccer games. All of them, with no exception, are average, below average, or really bad, for one reason, or another. This includes Virtua Striker 2, 90 Minutes, UEFA Dream Soccer, SWSS 2000. The only that is quite playable is the last one.
Another awful game is Exhibition of Speed. Quite awful, when compared with other solid racers that the DC has.
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The only that is quite playable is the last one.
First of all, welcome to our forum :)
Second of all, UEFA Dream Soccer was an improvement of every aspect of SWWS2000. While the gameplay was arcade to a fault, it had a lot of great features, some that we haven't seen anywhere else (women football?).
Still, yes, very average.
I never got why Konami didn't make an ISS game for the DC.
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Thank you :)
well, I find SWWS 2000 more enjoyable than UDS, to be honest. The controls seem less choppy. Some agree that UDS is the best football game (using the word 'best' here is so funny), well I don't :P but sure, it is not as bad as 90 Minutes. That one is so awful.
Well, Konami's gamelist for the DC was quite bad, so it wouldn't be to expect an ISS or a PES.
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Expendable is pretty fun to play coop tho
Agreed. I picked Expendable up used recently for five bucks and found it to be a fun run n gun coop game.
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Thank you :)
well, I find SWWS 2000 more enjoyable than UDS, to be honest. The controls seem less choppy. Some agree that UDS is the best football game (using the word 'best' here is so funny), well I don't :P but sure, it is not as bad as 90 Minutes. That one is so awful.
Well, Konami's gamelist for the DC was quite bad, so it wouldn't be to expect an ISS or a PES.
Well this is fun. I never had found anyone else who had actually played all the DC's footy titles (though I have yet to play 90 Minutes).
One game that missed the mark just by a bit was UEFA Striker.
When playing it I can clearly feel it has the basis for a genuinely good football game, but the gameplay's all over the pitch. Great fun playing with a friend due to the high number of ridiculously amazing saves the GKs make per match.
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UEFA Striker was the only one that I didn't got to play. However, from the youtube videos, I remember playing something like that on the PC back in 2000, and with the same awfully generic menu music. But it had a different name, which I cannot remember. And from what I remember, it was average fun.
90 Minutes is the same game as J - League Spectacle Soccer. Quite weird that it is so bad, considering it is from the same team that developed Jet Set Radio.
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UEFA Striker was the only one that I didn't got to play. However, from the youtube videos, I remember playing something like that on the PC back in 2000, and with the same awfully generic menu music. But it had a different name, which I cannot remember. And from what I remember, it was average fun.
90 Minutes is the same game as J - League Spectacle Soccer. Quite weird that it is so bad, considering it is from the same team that developed Jet Set Radio.
Uefa striker was the best soccer game for the DC, i really enjoyed it. The game had even a dutch language. And i am from Belgium and whe speak dutch. 90 min on the other hand was a complete crappy game, bad graphics for it's time because it was the second generation games from DC and the controls where just awful. from all games that i played from the 8 bit till the current generation, i think 90 min is the worsed game ever !
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True, 90 Minutes was one of the worst soccer sims on the market. Even more insulting was the fact that it was made by Smilebit! The creators of Jet Set Radio made that game.
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I've played plenty of horrible Dreamcast games, but they were mostly Playstation/N64 ports. Toy Story 2 and Roadsters both come to mind.
Easily the worst one I have experienced is Fighting Force 2. My god that game is painful. And to think, the original Fighting Force started out as a Streets of Rage game for the Saturn...