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Title: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on June 21, 2017, 03:08:06 pm
https://youtu.be/NPnCBe0cLos

SEGABits story: http://segabits.com/blog/2017/06/21/sega-forever-officially-revealed-and-detailed/

Now that we have more information, I actually think providing they keep adding games, this could be quite big for Sega and its fans. Sega will earn a bit of money wheather people pay to play these games or not, and along side that, Sega can see what gamers are interested in and decide if they want to revive the IP because of it. It's actually quite a smart move by Sega.

My only real concern is one i've voiced before and that's one of controls. Touch screen controls are great for a certain type of game, but after that, they become a hindrance. I can see Chu Chu Rocket and Seaman working fine with touch screen controls (All phones have a mic, so Seaman would be easy), but something like Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure or even just a 2D platformer and you really need a controller.

Maybe Sega could look at getting a controller made? If they really wanted to push the retro tone, they could even recreate bluetooth controllers from their past consoles even.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on June 22, 2017, 08:50:51 pm
Or how about some special Joycons that look like a Game Gear if it gets Switch support?

Actually I'd like to hook up a six button genesis controller to it.  Comix Zone with 3 buttons is kinda tough. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Team Andromeda on June 23, 2017, 07:21:53 am
 Typical Sammy cheap and nasty and on crappy mobile. Nothing new and the emu is utter rubbish. A good idea , but done on the cheap and on the wrong platforms . So much for the new SEGA
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on June 23, 2017, 01:26:03 pm
Typical Sammy cheap and nasty and on crappy mobile. Nothing new and the emu is utter rubbish. A good idea , but done on the cheap and on the wrong platforms . So much for the new SEGA

I agree with Barry on part of this. They should have shown more commitment by giving a mix for each console from the word go. The 3D games are clearly going to take longer, so it's understandable that they'd release only one of them every now and then, but at the moment, we just have what was already available.

Mobile is probably my last choice too, but I understand why they went this route. I just wish we could get them onto a big screen with an actual controller with ease.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on June 23, 2017, 10:59:19 pm
Give it time, it'll come to console.  :D  It'll probably run better on consoles anyway. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: ribbitking17 on June 26, 2017, 07:10:27 pm
I'm a very big fan of this project. Since its on phones and free I've finally been able to convince some friends to give some of these games a try. Especially ones that don't play games as much anymore or are always moving on to the next big thing and don't go back to older stuff often.

I see a lot of people all over the internet not accepting this because it's not on consoles. I have all of the games that have been released so far many times over already without ads. However I don't drag my ps3, nomad, or even 3ds anymore with me unless I'm going on a trip. I always have my phone on me though. I don't know if I would have ever played phantasy star again, especially when I have so many choices at home but I'm having a lot of playing it on breaks at work, ect.

I do wonder why Crazy Taxi isn't under the Sega Forever label. It's been free on the app store for awhile now and has the new Sega Forever Sega logo that's chips from smooth to pixled at the start. That would have hushed some of the whining that they only put out genesis games.

My only real complaint is that sonic 1 has a virtual joystick instead of a d pad. That sounds absurd to complain about, being that it's virtual but it feels so incredibly loose compared to the Sonic CD release on mobile that has a d pad
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on June 26, 2017, 09:43:51 pm
I'm a very big fan of this project. Since its on phones and free I've finally been able to convince some friends to give some of these games a try. Especially ones that don't play games as much anymore or are always moving on to the next big thing and don't go back to older stuff often.

I see a lot of people all over the internet not accepting this because it's not on consoles. I have all of the games that have been released so far many times over already without ads. However I don't drag my ps3, nomad, or even 3ds anymore with me unless I'm going on a trip. I always have my phone on me though. I don't know if I would have ever played phantasy star again, especially when I have so many choices at home but I'm having a lot of playing it on breaks at work, ect.

I do wonder why Crazy Taxi isn't under the Sega Forever label. It's been free on the app store for awhile now and has the new Sega Forever Sega logo that's chips from smooth to pixled at the start. That would have hushed some of the whining that they only put out genesis games.

My only real complaint is that sonic 1 has a virtual joystick instead of a d pad. That sounds absurd to complain about, being that it's virtual but it feels so incredibly loose compared to the Sonic CD release on mobile that has a d pad

Yeah I kept making sonic face the wrong direction and hell in Marble zone i couldn't get past act 1 just because I couldn't stop Sonic on top of that chain thing that goes up n down.  Yeah control is definetely an issue.  But when I play Comix Zone, it controls perfectly.  it just lags and the sound crackles due to it being played on a crappy old android.  :p Other than that, Crazy Taxi controls fine with touch controls.  I've been competing with my own timed records and getting better n better.  :D Love it!  Altered Beast is alright, it doesn't slow down as much.  It controls fine too.  I would like to use a real controller, how do you set up a controller for it?  Can I use my PS3 controller?
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on June 26, 2017, 11:14:36 pm
I managed to get the DS4 connected, but it's got some really bad latency problems that render it useless. Crazy Taxi should have been in there considering it's already on phones. I hate all the bashing going on, but it does seem Sega's first step wasn't it's best foot. However, they seem to be really behind this so far and we'll have to see if they do fix the problems.

I wonder what the next set of games will be mind. Outrun? Guardian Heroes? Panzer Dragoon? Either way, I'm guessing Sonic 2 or CD will be in there.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: max_cady on June 27, 2017, 05:11:31 am
So far I haven't had issues with Phantasy Star 2... The Crazy Taxi port is pretty damn good. But yeah, it's a bit of a mess right now. I'm guessing they'll release Chu Cu Rocket too, or rather re-release since that game was de-listed some time ago.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: NiGHTSDrEAMS on June 27, 2017, 09:52:02 am
I think SEGA should stay away from mobile app's in general and stay focused on game developing! 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on June 27, 2017, 12:16:50 pm
I think SEGA should stay away from mobile app's in general and stay focused on game developing! 

They'd be crazy to do that. It's not really for me, but there's no point ignoring that it can make a lot of money and it has it's place. Sega have a rich history of arcade games and that of kind play style fits well with mobile gaming. Of course, I'd prefer they push these onto PC and console, but maybe down the road they will.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on June 27, 2017, 01:05:58 pm
I'd like to see franchises return like Comix Zone, Vector Man, and Streets of Rage.  It'd be nice too if Sega made a spin off game based on Sonic The Hedgehog's old saturday morning cartoon.  I know we got Spinball, but that's all we got.  I feel like a 3D game would do it justice.  Probably just dreaming and it'll never happen...  I think if Sega just gave it a chance it would work.   Comix Zone would be still 2D as would Streets of Rage.  Vector Man I imagine like the last Transformers game based off the animated series.  That would be pretty cool.  Just have the balls rotate in 3D as he transforms.  You would be able to use those transformations to get around stages and explore and find stuff.  I hope those games get enough downloads to get Sega's attention to make sequels or reboots.  :D I also hope they stay true to the source material. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on June 27, 2017, 04:34:47 pm
I can see Vectorman working well with a mechanic like Fez has where you can change the angle to get around objects etc too. I do hope Sega don't feel the need to make some of these games into big triple A titles. There's nothing wrong with bringing back some titles, but keeping them smaller. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on June 27, 2017, 06:24:02 pm
I can see Vectorman working well with a mechanic like Fez has where you can change the angle to get around objects etc too. I do hope Sega don't feel the need to make some of these games into big triple A titles. There's nothing wrong with bringing back some titles, but keeping them smaller.

Yeah I remember the redesign for Vector Man from before, ugly.  XD Made me have flashbacks of when they redesigned Bomberman.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Artwark on June 28, 2017, 03:34:40 am
First...been a long time since I posted here.


And secondly, as for forever...well right now it needs fixing though honestly, I'd rather it be on Steam & consoles than mobile cause most of them can't work on mobile or atleast feel natural on mobile.

Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: NiGHTSDrEAMS on June 28, 2017, 09:48:12 am
They'd be crazy to do that. It's not really for me, but there's no point ignoring that it can make a lot of money and it has it's place. Sega have a rich history of arcade games and that of kind play style fits well with mobile gaming. Of course, I'd prefer they push these onto PC and console, but maybe down the road they will.


True that they can make money off mobile app's and that because they are a giant arcade gaming company but they should stay away from their classic library and focus on making specific games for mobile app's. When they keep pushing their old games (which believe me I dont have a problem with I can play them a million times and never get tired.) it gives off an image that SEGA can't come up with new ideas for games. But I 100% agree that they should stick to PC and console gaming, espically because they make majority of their money off the Total War games and Warhammer as well as FootBall Manger (PC games) <---- This is where their market is at!  :-D [size=78%]       [/size]
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on July 02, 2017, 07:17:27 pm

True that they can make money off mobile app's and that because they are a giant arcade gaming company but they should stay away from their classic library and focus on making specific games for mobile app's. When they keep pushing their old games (which believe me I dont have a problem with I can play them a million times and never get tired.) it gives off an image that SEGA can't come up with new ideas for games. But I 100% agree that they should stick to PC and console gaming, espically because they make majority of their money off the Total War games and Warhammer as well as FootBall Manger (PC games) <---- This is where their market is at!  :-D [size=78%]       [/size]

Sega can still churn out good games.  They just ran Sonic into the ground and ignored all of their other franchises hoping they'd be just fine.  It backfired and now they are giving their older IPs another shot. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: crackdude on July 04, 2017, 05:32:54 am
Sega can still churn out good games.  They just ran Sonic into the ground and ignored all of their other franchises hoping they'd be just fine.  It backfired and now they are giving their older IPs another shot. 
What timeline have you gone through?
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on July 04, 2017, 08:27:22 pm
What timeline have you gone through?

The timeline where Christopher Walken rules the universe and string theory is a term only used to describe the effects of different cheeses.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Berto on July 04, 2017, 10:58:53 pm
In case some of you didn't know...
The next SEGA Forever game is from a Dreamcast's game franchise.

Spoiler alert :
It's.....
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Virtua Tennis Challenge  :(
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on July 05, 2017, 12:43:09 am
In case some of you didn't know...
The next SEGA Forever game is from a Dreamcast's game franchise.

Spoiler alert :
It's.....
.
.
.
.
Virtua Tennis Challenge  :(


They need some good dreamcast titles, but Virtua Tennis is ok.  will it work with the controls though?  That's the real question. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: crackdude on July 05, 2017, 02:45:15 am
Virtua Tennis Challenge  :(
Why the long face? Virtua Tennis is amazing!
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Berto on July 05, 2017, 02:54:25 am
Why the long face? Virtua Tennis is amazing!

Because it's not a new mobile game, it's already released years ago (just like Sonic 1) and I'm sure you guys already had it (at least... I had it).
It's just a re-branding old mobile game with SEGA Forever logo.

I could guess what's next SEGA Forever release after this : Re-branding of Chuchu Rocket, Crazy Taxi Classic, Jet Set Radio, Sonic 2, Sonic CD, Sonic 4 Ep I-II, and Super Monkey Ball 1-2-Sakura Edition.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: crackdude on July 05, 2017, 05:34:09 am
Well..yea. At first Sega will go through the games it has already done before. I'm sure other games will eventually come tho. Not in a rush
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on July 05, 2017, 09:13:03 am
i don't care if Chu Chu Rocket is rebranded or not, that is the one I will probably play the most.  That or Columns or Sega Swirl.  Yeah remember Sega Swirl?  It was like Candy Crush before Candy Crush but without the microtransactions.  :p
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on July 05, 2017, 11:42:58 am
I can see Sonic 2, Sonic CD, Chu  Chu Rocket, Virtua Tennis and Crazy Taxi appearing soon. Mainly because there's versions of these games already out there on mobile.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on July 05, 2017, 06:25:40 pm
I can see Sonic 2, Sonic CD, Chu  Chu Rocket, Virtua Tennis and Crazy Taxi appearing soon. Mainly because there's versions of these games already out there on mobile.

Crazy Taxi is also available for free just like the 5 genesis games.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: crackdude on July 06, 2017, 02:34:02 am
I want my mobile SA2 tho
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on July 07, 2017, 02:49:21 am
I want my mobile SA2 tho

Same here.  Just look at how many people downloaded it off PSN.  :D  Money in the bank. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: crackdude on July 07, 2017, 03:28:31 am
I did. Then got it on steam as well..

Actually waiting for it to come on retrocompat for Xbox One
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Barry the Nomad on July 07, 2017, 10:49:09 am
The good thing is that stuff like JSR and ChuChu and Virtua Tennis Challenge will be updated to work on the new OS and will support controllers, and the prices will all be $1.99 and free to play. SEGA Forever forcing SEGA Networks to keep up on app updates is one of the best aspects to the program.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on July 07, 2017, 11:04:55 am
The good thing is that stuff like JSR and ChuChu and Virtua Tennis Challenge will be updated to work on the new OS and will support controllers, and the prices will all be $1.99 and free to play. SEGA Forever forcing SEGA Networks to keep up on app updates is one of the best aspects to the program.

Excellent
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on July 12, 2017, 01:41:12 pm
Virtua Tennis Challenge is now part of Sega Forever: https://twitter.com/SEGAForever/status/885206776697802753
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Giga_Force on July 29, 2017, 01:33:54 am
Anyone else having audio popping and some lag when playing Revenge of Shinobi? I expect a patch will be released in the next few days.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Draikin on July 31, 2017, 02:17:42 pm
Anyone else having audio popping and some lag when playing Revenge of Shinobi? I expect a patch will be released in the next few days.
You're definitely not the only one reporting these problems, but I haven't seen SEGA comment on them. I tried it on my Android phone and tablet, and it runs poorly on both, with audio popping, subpar framerate and crashes when it's serving ads. At the moment SEGA seems to be very far away from delivering on their lofty goals with this service.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on August 05, 2017, 05:34:23 pm
i'm getting the same problems with Revenge of Shinobi that i got with Comix Zone and the other genesis games.  Honestly, I've already gone to other emulators like Kega Fusion and a few different Android ones that work just fine.  Why Sega can't run a decent emulator on phones and tablets in this day and age puzzles me.  Their AtGames consoles are still crappy too.  :/ I mean yeah, it's AtGames and they do it every year but still... Sega needs better quality control.  Seriously.  The only reason I'm even keeping these games on my tablet is just to show support for the franchises owned by Sega in a hopeful attempt that they will be revived on modern consoles in the future.  I imagine it's the same for a lot of other Sega fans as well.  No matter how many times I update these games, the quality in gameplay speed and sound doesn't change.  The problem is not being fixed and yet other emulators play roms of these games just fine on the same tablet.  If Sega wants me to stick around after Sonic Mania, they've gotta make some changes.  :/ But it really does look like same old Sega.  Like AtGames, they continue the same old same old every year.  I really wish they'd stop, but with Izuka and Webber, it's impossible to take anything seriously anymore.  Sega as a company keeps doing this, and it NEEDS TO STOP.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on August 06, 2017, 01:19:01 pm
Quailty control has never been Sega's strong point. It's a shame it persists though as each time they have a great idea or product, they seem to revert back to being all over the place straight afterwards.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Centrale on August 06, 2017, 01:20:16 pm
Apparently this year's AtGames console is much improved, with accurate sound, HDMI output, save states, a rewind feature, and a cartridge slot.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on August 07, 2017, 02:53:41 pm
Doesn't change the facts of the past sadly.

Ristar is the next game coming to Sega Forever going by twitter.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Centrale on August 07, 2017, 11:33:58 pm
Doesn't change the facts of the past sadly.

Uh, yeah, but what does? You want things to be improved, but when they're improved you're disappointed that the past can't be changed?
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on August 08, 2017, 01:54:56 am
No of course not. But most people learn from their mistakes and as I said before, Sega seem to learn then unlearn quite a lot.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Centrale on August 08, 2017, 10:09:53 am
Sega is more like a collection of many companies than a single one with a strong centrally-designed vision and strategy. It's telling that most of these legacy initiatives released in the West haven't originated from Sega of Japan, and the ones that have (e.g. Sega Ages 2500 and Sega 3D Classics) have either been passed over or only partially brought over by the Western divisions. Sega Forever, as an initiative of Sega Mobile, shows that they have a lot of heart but so far it seems their ambition has outstripped whatever resources they have at their disposal.

At least the AtGames products have taken a turn for the better... I think it's worth considering picking one up so they (AtGames and whatever part of Sega handles this license) get the message that a high quality product will be supported. I only wish it would work with an EverDrive, but hey... maybe that's in the works for next year's model.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Tad on August 08, 2017, 10:47:46 am
That's a fair point. I just always feel like they're missing that person sometimes who just points out why they shouldn't do a,b or c.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Artwark on August 09, 2017, 07:10:02 am
What I'd like SEGA forever to do although I know this may not happen...have cross buy.


Buy it on phone, get it on PC if at all Forever shows up on PC. That would be a blessing and is something that I'll admit that Nintendo might not do.

Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on August 09, 2017, 02:20:06 pm
What I'd like SEGA forever to do although I know this may not happen...have cross buy.


Buy it on phone, get it on PC if at all Forever shows up on PC. That would be a blessing and is something that I'll admit that Nintendo might not do.

PC can be modded.  :D
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Giga_Force on August 10, 2017, 03:15:30 am
Just downloaded Ristar and it's probably the laggiest of all the games released, so far. Even on the main menu, the game has severe slowdown :(
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Berto on August 21, 2017, 07:19:13 pm
The next SEGA Forever game is the first game of a franchise which has final bosses with huge D in front.

Death Adder
Dark Guld
Death Bringer
Death Adder Jr.
Damned Hellstrike
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Shun-Di on September 02, 2017, 10:21:42 am
This really needs to be on console and without ads.  That should be able to run the games a lot better.  Imagine how many people will download the games if they are ad free and are able to play right off the bat with an actual controller instead of crappy touch screen controls?  Plus it would play smooth as butter and won't lag like a snail riding a turtle.  I know they are going to include controller support at some point, but wouldn't it be much faster and much easier to just go straight to console?  I know mobile is popular in japan, but if that's the case, do handhelds like 3ds and psvita and heck why not the Switch?  I mean the games are free either way, right?  If they don't fix this completely, people will either turn away from it like my sister and her husband did, or they will simply just download the roms off another site and sega will see none of the profits.  I know they are going to use download rates to determine what franchises to return, but having the roms lag a ton, be bombarded with ads every level, and control like overall shit isn't going to make people want these games back, let alone on a damn phone.  If they are worried about ad revenue, these games have been out for so long, multiple collections have featured them as well as these games existed on original carts that anyone can pay for at a retro store or website or play roms that have existed since the 2000s on the internet.  In other words, they are old enough and have been released enough times both in compilations and seperately that they should be free and without ads.  Let this go on as experiment but without ads and put it on console.  Then let people get excited and nostalgic and then announce sequels from the most popular downloads.  People will then pay money for those sequels. 
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: pirovash88 on September 23, 2017, 12:13:09 am
Crazy Taxi now on Sega Forever, fucken awesome.

I've been playing some Altered Beast, cannot get used to the controls.
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Berto on March 26, 2018, 03:40:21 am
The next SEGA Forever game is Super Monkey Ball 2: Sakura Edition.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/supermonkeyball/images/9/99/SMB_Sakura.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110221042759)

http://www.tssznews.com/2018/03/16/tssz-exclusive-super-monkey-ball-sakura-edition-coming-to-sega-forever-returning-to-ios-android-markets-soon/ (http://www.tssznews.com/2018/03/16/tssz-exclusive-super-monkey-ball-sakura-edition-coming-to-sega-forever-returning-to-ios-android-markets-soon/)
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Berto on July 31, 2018, 07:34:39 pm
The next SEGA Forever game :

(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/180801/mdprjlb3.jpg)

Link : https://twitter.com/SEGAForever/status/1024321623632105472
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Berto on October 21, 2018, 08:12:05 pm
Shining Force is probably next SEGA Forever game,
since its official facebook page has posted a SEGA logo opening GIF from Shining Force.

(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/181022/4jx8dlys.jpg)

Link : https://www.facebook.com/SEGAForever/
Title: Re: Sega Forever
Post by: Berto on October 22, 2018, 10:05:06 pm
Shining Force is probably next SEGA Forever game,

Turned out it's Shining in the Darkness, not Shining Force.

(http://fs1.directupload.net/images/181023/2qx7pepb.jpg)


Edited : IT'S ALL OF THEM.

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