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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Mariano on October 01, 2014, 02:44:07 pm
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Here it is:
http://www.seganerds.com/2014/10/01/westone-bit-entertainment-will-be-filing-for-bankruptcy/
Thanks to SEGAnerds for the news.
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That's a shame. I'm sure Sega has a lock on the Wonder Boy IP so that's not going anywhere, but it would still be nice if Sega scooped up Westone and keep them dedicated to the series.
Wonder Boy 3 is the best 8bit game made, in my opinion.
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They haven't made a game since like...2006? I think lots more of these small companies will die.
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That's a shame. I'm sure Sega has a lock on the Wonder Boy IP so that's not going anywhere,
SEGA only have the lock on the title 'Wonderboy' they don't own the rights to the games . Sad to see Weststone go but I'm amazned they lasted this long they haven't done nothing for years really
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Didn't they go bankrupt before? They were also showing intrest in reviving Wonderboy again after D2's WONDERBOY COLLECTION. Its too bad SOJ couldn't be bothered to fund a new version of the game...
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That's a shame. I'm sure Sega has a lock on the Wonder Boy IP so that's not going anywhere, but it would still be nice if Sega scooped up Westone and keep them dedicated to the series.
Wonder Boy 3 is the best 8bit game made, in my opinion.
Actually Sega has a lock on WONDERBOY and MONSTER WORLD games. Which they have the codes for as they always keep republishing them.
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Actually Sega has a lock on WONDERBOY and MONSTER WORLD games. Which they have the codes for as they always keep republishing them.
Now I'm not just saying this to argue with you . But Retrogamer and TM did a feature and a interview with Westone a while back and in that interview ... Westone confirmed that SEGA only has the rights to the Wonderboy name everything else belongs to Westone and is used with their pernmssion .
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Now I'm not just saying this to argue with you . But Retrogamer and TM did a feature and a interview with Westone a while back and in that interview ... Westone confirmed that SEGA only has the rights to the Wonderboy name everything else belongs to Westone and is used with their pernmssion .
Sigh...
© SEGA. All rights reserved. SEGA is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. SEGA, the SEGA logo and WONDER BOY IN MONSTER LAND are either registered
trademarks or trademarks of SEGA Corporation.
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Why I do I bother, even when I try to be civil .
Ok for the facts Retrogamer Issue #124 interview with Westmore founders Michishit Ishizuka and Ryuichi Nishizawa
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2950/15232558720_4b4c210fc7_c.jpg)[
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Again..Sega owns the copyrights..with Westone. They've never released a MONSTER WORLD or WONDERBOY game with those names by themselves. They can't. You're article doesn't say anything that Sega only owns Wonderboy.
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SEGA only owns the trademark to the Wonderboy name IP . Everything else is owned by Westmore . Christ you even want to argue when the developer of Wonderboy and founder of Westone makes it quite clear .
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I remember this article all right. Maybe ROJM knows better than Ryuichi Nishizawa, but Nishizawa is specifically saying that Sega owns the character Wonderboy, but the actual code, which would be needed to to release any new versions of that game is owned by Westone.
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SEGA only owns the trademark to the Wonderboy name IP . Everything else is owned by Westmore . Christ you even want to argue when the developer of Wonderboy and founder of Westone makes it quite clear .
Not according to the US and Japanese trademarks office..the rights on the published works and the rights on websites that belong to sega with westone getting original game credit...Again you haven't proved that Sega just owns WONDERBOY. Also he never said that at all. Its out of context. From what i can tell he's talking about the Adventure Island games which were three titles. So don't bother mate. Really..you're getting below desperate...
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I remember this article all right. Maybe ROJM knows better than Ryuichi Nishizawa, but Nishizawa is specifically saying that Sega owns the character Wonderboy, but the actual code, which would be needed to to release any new versions of that game is owned by Westone.
And that was always the relationship/deal with Sega and Westone. They produced several titles besides WONDERBOY and MONSTERWORLD for Sega...most of them are the same..Sega owns the IP and Westone gets the game credit and rights.
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Exactly. It would likely be in Sega's interest to purchase the company from bankruptcy to get those copyrights, even if they do not want the company itself. Otherwise they would never be able to release any of the Wonder Boy games on any compilations.
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Exactly. It would likely be in Sega's interest to purchase the company from bankruptcy to get those copyrights, even if they do not want the company itself. Otherwise they would never be able to release any of the Wonder Boy games on any compilations.
Yes but i wouldn't hold my breath...but that's exactly what they should do since they keep making money from WONDERBOY and MONSTER WORLD. I think Sega can release the old titles but not any new versions...Westone wasn't involved in the releases of the compilations it was M2 that did the coding for those games...But on a rights issue...yes Westone should have had some involvement.
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Again you haven't proved that Sega just owns WONDERBOY.
No we've just shown you the interview with the company founder and his would know better than you or I . And for the Wonder Boy In Monsterland . Boot it up on the Master System the see Westmore logo then and SEGA just trademarking the reprogramming rights .
Westone wasn't involved in the releases of the compilations it was M2 that did the coding for those
LOL. Westone logo and copyright are on the back of the Wonderboy Sega ages PS2 game .
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No we've just shown you the interview with the company founder and his would know better than you or I . And for the Wonder Boy In Monsterland . Boot it up on the Master System the see Westmore logo then and SEGA just trademarking the reprogramming rights .
Wrong all you have shown is him talking about Hudson..then mentions Sega and then they own three copyrights. Since there was more than three WONDERBOY game and more than three MONSTER WORLD and MONSTERLAND titles i doubt he was talking about them. Second i just showed you the copyrights on steam..that's it. Stop trying to cause another argument on something you haven't proven.
LOL. Westone logo and copyright are on the back of the Wonderboy Sega ages PS2 game .
But Westone didn't make the compilation for Sega, M2 did. As i explained before they own the game rights so of course they would get a mention. Treasure wasn't that much involved in the GUNSTAR HEROES TREASURE BOX compilation either yet their logo was plastered around the box.(http://www.ncsx.com/2007/030507/Thursday/monster_world_sega_ages_backw.jpg)
Copyright is for Sega..Original game copyright is for Westone..exactly as its always been. ::)
Boot it up on the Master System the see Westmore logo then and SEGA just trademarking the reprogramming rights
(http://www.vizzed.com/videogames/sms/screenshot/Wonder%20Boy%20in%20Monster%20Land-1.png)
Don't you get tired of being wrong?
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But Westone didn't make the compilation for Sega, M2 did.
That's for the reprogramming lol. Capcom didn't programme Strider or Mercs on the Mega Drive but they still retain the rights to the games . M2 do lot reprogramming for classic games that doesn't mean they or SEGA hold rights to the original source code .
You're just again all over the shop
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That's for the reprogramming lol. Capcom didn't programme Strider or Mercs on the Mega Drive but they still retain the rights to the games . M2 do lot reprogramming for classic games that doesn't mean they or SEGA hold rights to the original source code .
You're just again all over the shop
But i never said they did. You were the one who was trying to suggest that Westone was involved in the game and i said they weren't. And i proved they weren't. No you are the one who is all over the shop..the bathroom..the toilet and leaving a horrible...smelly mess..all over this forum.
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You were the one who was trying to suggest that Westone was involved in the game and i said they weren't.
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Westone are in the game in that they allowed the games to be ported by M2 as they own the rights to the original code . Otherwise SEGA or M2 wouldn't have to give any credit to Westone . Like what was said other than the name/title Wonderboy SEGA owns no other rights , not even the rights to the look of the game characters .
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Westone are in the game in that they allowed the games to be ported by M2 as they own the rights to the original code . Otherwise SEGA or M2 wouldn't have to give any credit to Westone . Like what was said other than the name/title Wonderboy SEGA owns no other rights , not even the rights to the look of the game characters .
Yawn..that's like you were saying Sega was only involved in Bay 2 by giving them permission to let Nintendo make the game. Regardless that Sega had more than the involvement of letting them make the game.
You were wrong on ALL you're points. And now you are trying this little tactic. Get lost kid and stop WASTING my time.
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that's like you were saying Sega was only involved in Bay 2 by giving them permission to let Nintendo make the gam
Well that's exactly what happened . SEGA hold the IP rights and allowed the game to be made and get their name in the credits . Just like Westone did for M2 SEGA Ages Wonderboy collection
You were wrong on ALL you're points.
I think you'll find you are and its quite clear to anyone who reads Retro Gamer special with Westone . Still you know more than Westone which just about says it all
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Here's how it works. Sega want to release their old games on a new system, in this case Wonder Boy. They own the IP of the game, but not the actual code. So if they want to release the game again, they need to either get M2 to recreate the game using completely original code (which would be a waste of time) or license the original code from Westone and then M2 can modify it to work on the newer systems. Thus, Westone would require a credit. Also why Sega should buy Westone.
Edit: An example of how this can go wrong is why you will never see Goldeneye on Nintendo's virtual console. They own the game, Rare own the original code and until last year Activision owned the 007 license. Very messy if you want to put the title out again.
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(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2950/15232558720_4b4c210fc7_c.jpg)
Wrong TA... the article is clearly talking about how Westone can make Adventure Island without running into problems with Sega over their games. He explains it that Sega owns the IP westone owns the code..which is why Hudson could publish the Adventure Island games without any hassle because they own the codes. Adventure Island is based off of WONDERBOY..not MONSTER WORLD..they are completly different but similar. Adventure Island plays like WONDERBOY 1. So don't bother using that as an example that Sega doesn't own MONSTER WORLD either when i just showed you copyrights that they do own it.
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Well that's exactly what happened . SEGA hold the IP rights and allowed the game to be made and get their name in the credits . Just like Westone did for M2 SEGA Ages Wonderboy collection
Apart from the fact that Sega PAID for development to start on Bay 2 and had a bit more of an active role than just simply getting their name on the credits. Try again.
I think you'll find you are and its quite clear to anyone who reads Retro Gamer special with Westone . Still you know more than Westone which just about says it all
No i find its clear that you haven't the intellect to understand what someone is talking about. Quite obvious from the capcom topic to the Yakuza and now this....
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Here's how it works. Sega want to release their old games on a new system, in this case Wonder Boy. They own the IP of the game, but not the actual code. So if they want to release the game again, they need to either get M2 to recreate the game using completely original code (which would be a waste of time) or license the original code from Westone and then M2 can modify it to work on the newer systems. Thus, Westone would require a credit. Also why Sega should buy Westone.
Edit: An example of how this can go wrong is why you will never see Goldeneye on Nintendo's virtual console. They own the game, Rare own the original code and until last year Activision owned the 007 license. Very messy if you want to put the title out again.
Let's put an end to all this right now...
http://store.steampowered.com/app/211209/ (http://store.steampowered.com/app/211209/)
© SEGA. All rights reserved. SEGA is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. SEGA, the SEGA logo and WONDER BOY IN MONSTER LAND are either registered
trademarks or trademarks of SEGA Corporation.
Read it and Fing weep. You can't get more official than that. But TA will just find another way to argue a case he has lost with out backing his claims and being proven wrong by two people now.
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You are absolutely correct. Wonder Boy in Monster Land is owned by Sega. Because the original code is owned by Westone, if Sega wanted to re-release the game on another format without prior consent of Westone, M2 would need to recreate the game from scratch using completely original code, rather than just porting it using Westone's original code for the game as the base. If they used even one line of Westone's code without consent, they would be in a very actionable position.
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You are absolutely correct. Wonder Boy in Monster Land is owned by Sega. Because the original code is owned by Westone, if Sega wanted to re-release the game on another format without prior consent of Westone, M2 would need to recreate the game from scratch using completely original code, rather than just porting it using Westone's original code for the game as the base. If they used even one line of Westone's code without consent, they would be in a very actionable position.
Exactumundo. Now we estabilshed this in the first page. Can you be bothered to argue the same exact point...with the evidence that proves our point to someone whose only answer is No and no real evidence to back his claims up on two more pages on this topic?
TA is just a troll..i hope you are beginning to realise that..
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Exactumundo. Now we estabilshed this in the first page. Can you be bothered to argue the same exact point...with the evidence that proves our point to someone whose only answer is No and no real evidence to back his claims up on two more pages on this topic?
No just a interview with developer of the actual games and Moster games did come out on other systems.They came out on the PC-Eng and PC Eng CD-Rom . SEGA just owns to the IP rights to the name , the acutal IP rights for the game belongs to Westsone
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No just a interview with developer of the actual games and Moster games did come out on other systems.They came out on the PC-Eng and PC Eng CD-Rom . SEGA just owns to the IP rights to the name , the acutal IP rights for the game belongs to Westsone
Nope...you were proven wrong in all counts.You just said Sega owns Wonderboy..not anything else. You were proved wrong..once again. Stop wasting my time kid..and actually PLAY the games that you think you are an expert on..now leave me alone...baka san...
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It seems that the bankruptcy is confirmed now.
Good luck to all the people that work there.
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Hopefully they all get on their feet quickly enough.
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In a bankrupty case...their assets go for sale to recoup the debt....so i suspect...though hoped they wouldn't...Sega will try and buy the westone assets on the cheap...resulting in them having control of the codes..and no longer needing Westone to continue WONDERBOY....or royalties..
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Sega owns Wonderboy..not anything else. You were proved wrong..once again
What are you on about ? Not proved wrong at all , it was confirmed in the Retro interview . It's quite clear
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What are you on about ? Not proved wrong at all , it was confirmed in the Retro interview . It's quite clear
A clear case of a person living in a delusional state when he been proven wrong.How sad...you are TA.
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A clear case of a person living in a delusional state when he been proven wrong.
? The Wonderboy games game out on other systems and as confirmed in the Interview, none of the Art ECT had to be changed, only the name.
What part of Wonderboy is the trademark that SEGA owns. My Company owns all of the copyrights
Do you not understand ? Wonderboy came out on the likes of NES and MSX (all by Hudson) and the major change was the Title change.
Here's another interview with Nishizwaw -san
Was Westone involved in the recent Sega Vintage Monster World collection? If so, was the new translation of Monster World IV handled by Westone or Sega?
My company was not involved in the development of the Monster World Vintage Collection, we only granted the license. We left it to Yousuke Okunari, a producer at Sega. He has the nickname "Game Archaeologist", as he is a big fan of retro games. His passion for retro games is second to none. It's no exaggeration to say that the "Monster World Vintage Collection" was born from his obsession. If you play some of the Sega Vintage series that have been released, you will be able to understand his passion.
Her's again very clear on how owns the rights
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/wonderboy/wonderboy-interview.htm (http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/wonderboy/wonderboy-interview.htm)
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Do you not understand ?
You lost the argument. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. How pathetic you have become...
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It's quite clear you're wrong
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You lost the argument. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.
It's quite clear you're wrong
It appears we have reached stalemate.
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It's not really stalemate when you have a combination of history and actual enterviews with the devs showing explicitly "all that sega owns is the name wonder boy", pretty much
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It's not really stalemate when you have a combination of history and actual enterviews with the devs showing explicitly "all that sega owns is the name wonder boy", pretty much
Gimme a break..is that the best you can do...TA's alter ego i presume...
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It appears we have reached stalemate.
No its not.
Sega owns WONDEREBOY MONSTER LAND and MONSTERWORLD ips. They don't just own WONDERBOY.
I proved that with the trademark links and quotes.
TA couldn't prove that the article was talking about WONDERBOY or adventure island..since we don't have the whole article we won't know that. #
I proved Westone wasn't involved in the MONSTERWORLD collections.
I proved that Sega where concerning WONDERBOY IN MONSTERLAND didn't just reprogram that game but was involved with that game from its beginning as the credits clearly show.
So all the points he brought he was proved WRONG time and time again. No stalemate. But another embarrassing defeat for TA.
And now we got him pretending to be someone else agreeing with him. What a crock and a joke. I won this one clearly. Anyone with brains can see that. He hasn't proved otherwise to back up his claims but i have quite clearly. Sega owns more than just WONDERBOY ip concerning that franchise.
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TA couldn't prove that the article was talking about WONDERBOY or adventure island
Lol . No I just printed the actual parts of the interview that makes its clear who's own what .
I proved Westone wasn't involved in the MONSTERWORLD collections.
If that was the case Westone name and logo wouldn't be anywhere on the case . Sure they didn't handle the coding duties of the collection to the PS2 , but they again neither was SEGA.
I proved that Sega where concerning WONDERBOY IN MONSTERLAND didn't just reprogram that game but was involved with that game from its beginning as the credits clearly show.
For the person who would know ....
Wonder Boy (AC): Direction, Game Design, Level Design, Sound
Monster Land (AC): Direction, Game Design, Level Design, Co-Programmer
Monster World II (SMS): Direction, Game Design, Level Design, Main-Programmer
Monster Lair (AC): Direction, Game Design, Level Design
Monster World III (MD): I did not participate in this project.
Monster World II (GG): Direction, Level Design, Main-Program (Game Design was not needed)
Monster World IV (MD): Direction, Game Design, Level Design
Sorry Westone made most of the games in the series, even the Monster World games
So all the points he brought he was proved WRONG time and time again
Sorry I simply published interviews from the people that set up Westone and they better than anybody would know who own's what
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Lol . No I just printed the actual parts of the interview that makes its clear
who's own what .
Yes its clear Sega owns MONSTERLAND MONSTERWORLD and WONDERBOY. You were saying they just owned WONDERBOY. You were proven wrong.
If that was the case Westone name and logo wouldn't be anywhere on the case .
Sure they didn't handle the coding duties of the collection to the PS2 , but
they again neither was SEGA.
That is the case STUPID. They weren't involved in the coding.That what was said from the begining. Westone just got credit for the original code. Hardly involvement which you already acknowledged. Stop trolling on something you already agreed with.
he person who would know ....
You mean the person who PROVED you wrong about this?
Boot it up on the Master System the see Westmore logo then and SEGA just
trademarking the reprogramming rights
(http://speeddemosarchive.com/gfx/WonderBoyMonsterLand_1.jpg)
Sorry Westone made most of the games in the series, even the Monster World games
No one said they didn't TA.But Sega was involved too. Which you said they weren';t. But keep researching about an era you never participated in by reading eronous magazines. You are obviously a fraud.
Sorry I simply published interviews from the people that set up Westone and they
better than anybody would know who own's what
No you posted an article out of context like you always do. You were then proved WRONG by me and someone else.
Now this has ended. I don't speak to non gamers which is what you clearly arer. A fraud. You have been found out time and time again for the fake that you are. Any further reply to this i will treat as the contempt it deserves.....
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You were saying they just owned WONDERBOY. You were proven wrong.
No me , just the CEO and co president of Westone , BIG BIG difference .
They weren't involved in the coding.
Well not with the retro packs . Digital Eclipse did the coding duties on SEGA collection but I hardly give them credit for the owners of the original code .
You mean the person who PROVED you wrong about this
The game appeared on rival systems with no credit or mention of SEGA at all just play Monster Lair on the PC Engine CD Rom
No you posted an article out of context like you always do.
I'll post the whole special If one must , but its quite clear and if that's not enough the interview with Hardcore gamer makes it quite clear . Only you can argue and make out you know more than the people who made and developed Wonderboy and set up Westone .
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No me , blah blah blah..i just cant shut up..even when i lose...
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ROJM, don't just reply with 'blah blah blah' etc. If you don't want to respond to him, ignore him. Not worth it.
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Geroge at the end of the day there's really nothing to argue over
"Wonderboy is the trademark that SEGA owns. My Company owns all of the copyrights"
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Geroge at the end of the day there's really nothing to argue over
The trademarks..from the trademark office....the copyrights from the screen ...shows you LOST the argument. But keep trolling with you're silly magazine when everything clearly shows Sega owns MONSTER WORLD, MONSTERLAND and WONDERBOY.
But i wouldn't expect a sega faker like you to know that...
ROJM, don't just reply with 'blah blah blah' etc. If you don't want to respond to him, ignore him. Not worth it.
What and let him have the last word? Until there's an ignore button i won't have to see his posts again....But since this is coming from a mod i will comply...too bad the faker won't do the same....
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jesus fucking christ is this guy for real
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jesus fucking christ is this guy for real
More real than you are. TA or whatever...For gods sake they let any prat join these days....Get lost..do you're research before commenting on things you have no clue about.
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Nothing to do with me at all . And I don't know where the Mods are, but its about time your childish digs and insults were put to bed once and for all . Oh and btw, if there's anyone in need of research.. then that be you.
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Nothing to do with me at all . And I don't know where the Mods are, but its about time your childish digs and insults were put to bed once and for all . Oh and btw, if there's anyone in need of research.. then that be you.
Yes right..some new guy randomly drops in here and trys to back you up. You see the difference between me and you is i'm not a liar. I don't spin other people's posts and people back me up because i'm stating the facts. That is the difference. So go on and keep living in you're silly fantasy world. And yes the mods should do something about you your blasted lies and you trolling EVERY forum repeating things you were discredited on.
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Feel free to google for me and establishing I'm my own person. Joined here since I've been refocusing on my SEGA childhood lately and driven by the recent Hi*Scoool show, but first thing I see is your repeated posts insulting those that are bringiing you literal facts and accusing them of what, not being SEGA enough for you? Ridiculous display of pompousness and elitism. So yes, I'm keeping my post a fair bit in hiatus until I understand if you're an anomaly or an example fo what to expect from the rest of the forum.
Because the problem here isn't even that you disagree. That's odd considering, you know, it's disagreeing with facts, but whatever. It's that you apparently deem yourself above even addressing the counterrpoints being given to you. You're not saying "oh so Westone's own director says this, but I think he're wrong", you just keep repeating "how can you be so stupid can't you see I'm right"?
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Yes right..some new guy randomly drops in here and trys to back you up. You see the difference between me and you is i'm not a liar
I honestly don't know the person at all .
I don't spin other people's posts and people back me up
Do you even know what you're doing have the time ? . Its you that alter peoples posts and throw the insults ...
And yes the mods should do something about you your blasted lies and you trolling
More insults and name calling , It would be nice if Mod's put to a stop it
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Feel free to google for me and establishing I'm my own person. Joined here since I've been refocusing on my SEGA childhood lately and driven by the recent Hi*Scoool show, but first thing I see is your repeated posts insulting those that are bringiing you literal facts and accusing them of what, not being SEGA enough for you? Ridiculous display of pompousness and elitism. So yes, I'm keeping my post a fair bit in hiatus until I understand if you're an anomaly or an example fo what to expect from the rest of the forum.
Because the problem here isn't even that you disagree. That's odd considering, you know, it's disagreeing with facts, but whatever. It's that you apparently deem yourself above even addressing the counterrpoints being given to you. You're not saying "oh so Westone's own director says this, but I think he're wrong", you just keep repeating "how can you be so stupid can't you see I'm right"?
What's ridiculous is that you jump into something that you have no idea and clue about. I've given several evidence to back up my claims. TA hasn't anyone can see that he was wrong. But only two people..one who just "suddenly" appears and have a similar vernacular to TA are the ones who disagree. My record here speaks for it self..and its usually on the ball. Every regular to this forum knows it. So i suggest you do some research on the games industry...learn how things flow around here before you jump in making stupid statements like the one you just posted. Ohh he's hgot a magazine that proves him right..even though its out of context..compared to the frigging screenshots packaging and actual TRADEMARKS from the company itself stating they own the rights to MONSTERLAND, MONSTERWORLD and WONDERBOY. Not just WONDERBOY. So until you learn how to read properly kid, don't bother me again...
I Do n't even know what I'm doing have the time . Its me that alter peoples posts and throw the insults ...
There you go fixed again.
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LOL . Get a grip and stop acting so childish
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Guys, enough, seriously. The constant quoting and posts with no content aside from insults and corrections is getting tiring. Next one to continue this gets a strike.
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LOL . Get a grip and stop acting so childish
I'm simply giving you a taste of you're own medicine TA. Don't like it when its on the other foot do you? And anyone that needs to stop acting like a child and get a grip of reality is you TA as you're recent activity in the last month proves.Simply keep trolling with your lies and nonsense and i'll just keep doing exactly what i'm doing now in reply.
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Guys, enough, seriously. The constant quoting and posts with no content aside from insults and corrections is getting tiring. Next one to continue this gets a strike.
Ok point taken..sorry