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Off Topic => Everything Else => Topic started by: Sharky on February 18, 2010, 07:59:07 pm
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John Lee of 'The Kartel'... was banned from NeoGaf! What for?
Why all games MUST be like Borderlands (because I'm a viral marketer for Borderlands) #1
Viral Marketing!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377334 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377334)
Check it out! :lol:
Cool guy.
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HAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Oh my, the responses on the first page are absolutely hilarious. Seems like he was doing some advertising for both Kartel and Borderlands there.
Well in any event, I don't dislike the guy or anything (even if he liked Sex and the City) but it really seemed he had no clue about video games whatsoever (didn't know that games could come on more than one disc, thought that Halo was the first Original FPS, and thought that Sims was the most brilliant 'strategy' game ever...)
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Single player = Masturbation
4 player co-op = Orgy
Right on!
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Here is where one of the admins caught him out, via info on Lees website:
"WHAT WE DO
What we do is help enrich your current outreach efforts with community programs that develop a two way dialogue with gamers. We engage gaming fans on a deeper level. We help convert awareness into interest. And we are darn good at it, with results as much as 150% better once our programs have been implemented."
I think your website needs an update after this thread. A simple "-" mark before the percentage would suffice.
I lol'd.
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Oh lawd, so Kartel was basically a Viral Marketing portal for game companies? No wonder they had hook-ups for Inflatable Swords and Sega Rally Mouse-mats. Cash for Comments!
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WAIT WAIT WAIT!
From his site bios:
CEO and PRESIDENT - Master Lee
Master Lee has 15 years of game industry experience and had held executive level positions at such companies as Sega, Konami, and THQ. While John most recently oversaw the successful relaunch of the Hudson Entertainment (a Konami subsidiary) games publishing unit, his roots are in game development. He created his first game when he was in 5th grade, and was once a national collegiate video game champion. Since breaking into the gaming industry, Master Lee had the distinct privilege of contributing to over 7 Game of the Year products on console, PC, handheld and even mobile. Back in 1999, he launched a social networking company, which was later successful acquired by a public company. He now enjoys being a catalyst in mixing gaming with social media. What he is a MASTER of hasn’t been fully understood, but we figure that it probably wasn’t that flattering to begin with.
http://www.bardoentertainment.com/bios.htm (http://www.bardoentertainment.com/bios.htm)
Really? how much of this is true?... I'm willing to bet very little.
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Oh wow... I don't like to be rude, but... also from his business site
http://www.bardoentertainment.com/about.htm (http://www.bardoentertainment.com/about.htm)
Our approach is pioneering and ambitious. We are a group of entertainment industry veterans who had an Eureka! moment when we combined our expertise in video games, social networking, and digital media. We’d go into more detail of the secret formula, but you would need an advanced degree in overly complicated formulas just to understand, so take solace in that all you need to know is that we are committed to delivering results.
Complicated formula?
1) Buy Sega fansite.
2) Piss off every regular poster and writer by ruining the site until they all leave.
3) ????
4) Profit!
Seriously, I knew I didn't like the Kartel before, but to think that it's basically just an excercise in hocking sponsor's games makes me sad. Shame that the SegaNerds name is still being soiled by it.
EDIT: Sharky Posted while I was.
How the hell does someone who never heard of games coming on more than one disc before Mass FUCKING Effect 2 make his own games at age 9, launch games that are best sellers, or argadgouadgjnsgagsghartfuckthisbullshit
WHAT THE FUCK!? The man thought Halo was the first ever 'Epic and original' First Person Shooter!
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I... I... Don't know what to say. Kind of reminds me of the time G hired that girl simply because she was a girl, but she grew up as a Nintendo fan...
But this is worse, way worse.
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This NeoGaf poster (SecretBonusPoints) nailed it
http://www.bardoentertainment.com/bios.htm
How much of this is bullshit?
Bizarrely completely unheard of Sega, Konami, THQ and Hudson exec, videogames champion, forefront father of social networking and worked on 7 GOTY's supposedly now resorting to viral marketing fucking Borderlands on NeoGAF? Teamed up with a Wallstreet billionaire of course and can't afford a website beyond the offerings of an eager DeviantArt teenage sex-slave?
I have a strong urge to plaster this all over the Kartel forums now, incase there is anyone there who isn't a personal friend of John, or just posting to grab free stuff.
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... I already know this stuff 5-6 months ago. :afroman:
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... I already know this stuff 5-6 months ago. :afroman:
It must have been hard holding in the laughter that long. :P
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... I already know this stuff 5-6 months ago. :afroman:
It must have been hard holding in the laughter that long. :P
I thought it was public knowledge, he did make a post about being banned from NeoGAF on his site.
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But I got a free Let's Tap out of the Kartel before I moved over.
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Whaaaaaaaaaa....?
So....what a minute....
WHAAAAAAAAAA???
WHAT THE FUCK!? The man thought Halo was the first ever 'Epic and original' First Person Shooter!
To be fair, it popularized FPS on consoles and turned it into the mega-genre that it is today.
For home consoles of course.
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... I already know this stuff 5-6 months ago. :afroman:
It must have been hard holding in the laughter that long. :P
I thought it was public knowledge, he did make a post about being banned from NeoGAF on his site.
Nobody read any of that stuff though.
To be fair, it popularized FPS on consoles and turned it into the mega-genre that it is today.
For home consoles of course.
Arguably, it was the catalyst in making FPS very popular on Console, but to say it's the first ever FPS that was original or epic is just wrong any way you slice it.
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Well, here is his "IAM NOT A VIRAL MARKETER" post about being banned:
http://www.thekartel.com/johnmasterlee/ ... rom_neogaf (http://www.thekartel.com/johnmasterlee/blog/2009/10/18/the_harrowing_adventures_of_getting_banned_from_neogaf)
and here is a quote from that NeoGAF topic:
SMB already has elements of RPG. You can improve his various abilities with power ups that you pick up. That sort of depth allows you to tackle various levels in different ways.
So yes, I'm serious.
^John
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^Yes I saw that quote, priceless.
Well anyway, curious how all the comments on that article are sticking up for him...
I don't buy the "I'm not a viral marketer" baloney either, I mean his website talks about 'opening dialogue with gamers' or some nonsense. Sounds a lot like viral marketing to me. Maybe not in that particular example with Borderlands, but it was probably an unsolicited audition as someone on gaf said.
I still don't believe that he was an exec/game developer/publisher/anything to do with video games at all. What kind of publisher/developer would be surprised at the notion of a multi-disk game, it's not even a minor thing thats something that would affect the budget/logistic/promotion etc etc. It's like if I was working at Ford and was surprised that there are cars that run on Diesel.
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I like Borderlands. Someone give me money, my hat is inverted and extended...
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This is hilarious. I always felt bad for disliking him, but, wow. What a twat.
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Whaaaaaaaaaa....?
So....what a minute....
WHAAAAAAAAAA???
WHAT THE FUCK!? The man thought Halo was the first ever 'Epic and original' First Person Shooter!
To be fair, it popularized FPS on consoles and turned it into the mega-genre that it is today.
For home consoles of course.
(http://http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/04/goldeneye_360.jpg)
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I've known about this for a while. Viral marketing or not, it doesn't change the fact NeoGAF is a place full of cunts who spend more time arguing about video games than actually playing them so they know what they're talking about. The site is only good to find video streams of E3 conferences and that's about three days a year.
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I feel like i've dropped in on half a conversation here.
Basically Jon Master Lee was using us to push games like Borderlands, and recieved money for doing it?
Is this the gist of what's going on?
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(http://http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/04/goldeneye_360.jpg)
It was popular and comercially successful, yeah, but mostly because of the name attached to it. Notice how Perfect Dark didn't sell anywhere near as much as GoldenEye. It didn't make the genre popular in the same way Halo did. The tidal wave of First Person Shooters didn't happen until after Halo.
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What?
GoldenEye outsold all James Bond games before it and after it... It also outsold Halo too.
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GoldenEye came out at Nintendo 64's peak, Perfect Dark came out when it was practically dead - Not only that, but you needed the expansion pak thing.
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What?
GoldenEye outsold all James Bond games before it and after it... It also outsold Halo too.
GoldenEye is a good game, but it didn't make the genre popular. How many other MASSIVELY popular console FPS can you think of that came out between GoldenEye and Halo?
Now look where we are. We're up to our necks in this genre today.
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I've known about this for a while. Viral marketing or not, it doesn't change the fact NeoGAF is a place full of cunts who spend more time arguing about video games than actually playing them so they know what they're talking about. The site is only good to find video streams of E3 conferences and that's about three days a year.
Yeah... I usually go there either to post news related to SEGA, or just get gaming news in general, their Sonic 4 topic scares me away, its worse then Sonic Retro.
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Perfect Dark sold over two million, closer to three. Medal of Honor sold a lot too and was a big series for EA. Doom also made money for Midway.
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But Doom was more popular on PC. (And it was before GoldenEye anyway) Medal of Honor, as far as I know, sold horribly on PS1.
I'm not trying to sound like a Halo fanboy here, but from what I've seen, Halo made the genre extremely popular. Why else do you think the market has been so over-saturated with this genre after Halo?
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Medal of Honor was one of the best selling games on the Playstation...
We also had Red Faction and Turok which also sold really really well. Timesplitters too.
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Bu-ttttt
Golden Eye has RPG elements, since you pick up different guns and 'power ups'. Quake 3 is my favorite RPG :) .
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Halo just added tons of innovations like regenerating health, LAN on consoles and pretty much just got FPS on console controls right among some other things. This is the stuff that others copied, not really the genre.
It is like with Sonic. Platformers existed before him, and were really profitable, but it was mascot-centric platformers that came out in huge doses after.
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Halo just added tons of innovations like regenerating health, LAN on consoles and pretty much just got FPS on console controls right among some other things. This is the stuff that others copied, not really the genre.
Well, this is what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying Halo "wuz da furst fps on consuls", but that it helped make FPS explode into what it is now.
Like what Super Mario Bros. did for [s:3ujwlckd]RPGs[/s:3ujwlckd] platformers. They existed before that game, but SMB did it EXTREMELY WELL at the time. That success infliuenced other companies, which made platforming a very big genre throughout the 80's and 90's.
I feel the same happened with Halo. Back before Halo, PC shooters were always popular, but their console ports were way inferior.
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As Sanus said, Halo really set a lot of trends for FPS on consoles, most notably the 2 weapon system, vehicles and regenerating health. It wasn't the first major console FPS, but it did set a lot of precedents.
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:!: Dr. Sega Monkey is a viral marketer :!:
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As Sanus said, Halo really set a lot of trends for FPS on consoles, most notably the 2 weapon system, vehicles and regenerating health. It wasn't the first major console FPS, but it did set a lot of precedents.
Ah yes, it is so obvious. I hate how every time someone tries to explain just WHY Halo is so good that they almost always miss the point, I even forgot some of the best reasons it was so great in my last post! That is the main reason I think Halo gets so much hate outside of just being so popular, people just do not "Get" what made it good in the first place.
Aki will get mad at me because I compare Halo and Sonic way too much, but I swear it is the same as Sonic with public reactions here. I see a lot of people now just saying the Genesis Sonic games were terrible, and just say some nonsense like "Mario clone" or something... Clearly it is not.
Okay, I am rambling. On topic now! John Lee, eh is a pretty cool guy, he viral markets and doesnt afraid of neogaf
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:!: Dr. Sega Monkey is a viral marketer :!:
:arrow: Just because I get paid to go on forums and talk about how great the Halo series is, and how it changed everybody's lives, and how every game should be like Halo, (or better yet, like Halo 3 ODST -- on sale now), doesn't mean I'm....oh never mind.
Just visit my site, and click on my ads.
(http://http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1650/fartel.jpg)
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:!: Dr. Sega Monkey is a viral marketer :!:
:arrow: Just because I get paid to go on forums and talk about how great the Halo series is, and how it changed everybody's lives, and how every game should be like Halo, (or better yet, like Halo 3 ODST -- on sale now), doesn't mean I'm....oh never mind.
Just visit my site, and click on my ads.
(http://http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1650/fartel.jpg)
(http://http://fightersgeneration.com/characters2/iori-cv-laughs.gif)
Oh lawd, I lol'd.
Aki will get mad at me because I compare Halo and Sonic way too much, but I swear it is the same as Sonic with public reactions here. I see a lot of people now just saying the Genesis Sonic games were terrible, and just say some nonsense like "Mario clone" or something... Clearly it is not.
Okay, I am rambling. On topic now! John Lee, eh is a pretty cool guy, he viral markets and doesnt afraid of neogaf
Hmm? People saying the original Genesis games are crap? The only time I've heard that was some person from another forum I stopped visiting, but he hated like 99% of everything in the video game industry anyway, so I never paid it much mind. Wouldn't surprise me if people did start hating it now for no particular reason though.
As for 'Mario Clone' I only heard Ryan say that once when he was desperately scraping the barrell to defend the horrible decisions in SSR.
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Console ports of PC game still underperform Dr SEGA Monkey... And stuff like Turok and Medal of Honor are/was bigger than stuff like Killzone and Perfect Dark sold more copies than BioShock has yet. We just so happen to have two mega selling FPS series now, but the general popularity of the genre was always there. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six was a big seller on the Playstation as well.
Aki will get mad at me because I compare Halo and Sonic way too much, but I swear it is the same as Sonic with public reactions here. I see a lot of people now just saying the Genesis Sonic games were terrible, and just say some nonsense like "Mario clone" or something... Clearly it is not.
One game was just a massive seller for the publisher, the other won the console war.
Big difference in public reactions!
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Aki's credibility was completely lost when he mentioned Killzone.
And since when did Xbox or Genesis win any console war?
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Aki's credibility was completely lost when he mentioned Killzone.
... I didn't even mention it in a positive light. Do you even know how much the games sold?
And since when did Xbox or Genesis win any console war?
It was outselling the SNES right up until they finally stopped making anymore, the only reason SNES managed to overtake the Genesis in America was because SEGA stupidly dropped production of it in numbers. Otherwise SEGA outsold it in Europe and (lol) South America.
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Yes, but claiming the Genesis' success was purely because of Sonic doesn't seem right. Sega had the better marketing, a head-start etc etc.
Clearly you are a viral Marketer for for Sonic the Hedgehog, Aki-at!
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Yes, but claiming the Genesis' success was purely because of Sonic doesn't seem right. Sega had the better marketing, a head-start etc etc.
Clearly you are a viral Marketer for for Sonic the Hedgehog, Aki-at!
The jig is up...
[spoiler:2a99tlos]I am AAUK![/spoiler:2a99tlos]
PS. Not sure if you are serious or not, but Mega Drive sales were really poor up until Sonic 1.
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A really big part of the Genesis' success was from sports and arcade games too.
Winning battles is not the same thing as winning a war... The Super Nintendo also went on for years after the Genesis was dead in the water. Same with Halo... The Xbox brand would not be around today without it, but it did not single handed beat out PlayStation 2, in fact, it was completely pummeled in the end, and the PlayStation 2 is still selling dammit!
But I am not sure what you meant by Killzones sales, it came way after Halo. Remember, the big thing about it was it being the "Halo Killer"?
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[s:3bweymw5]The year after Sonic's release SEGA went from being $800 million company to a $3.3 billion company. If that's not one game changing the fate of a company, I don't know what else. This is adding to my point to Mang.
As for the "war" you can look at it this way, if it wasn't for the awful sales of the Mega Drive in Japan, it's global sales otherwise outsold the SNES. This is why we hate Japan. And even with the SNES longer life, it only did about a million more in America than the Mega Drive, but when you add how much the Mega Drive sold in Europe and (lol) South America, it's total sales excluding Japan beats the SNES. I'll admit it didn't win the war and is a false statement, but like, Sonic becoming huge, rivaling Mickey, the comics fortnightly in the UK did around 250,000, SEGA marketing it with Forumla 1 and everything, it had just a lot bigger impact. This point is to Sanus.
I only mentioned KillZone because the recent one did really well, and so did BioShock, but there were bigger FPS games that sold more, just making the point the genre was still significantly popular even before Halo came along. This original point was to Dr SEGA Monkey, considering Sony marketed it like their BIG game, and it didn't do as well as previous big FPS, there was Resistence 2 as well, which didn't do as well as previous big FPS pre-Halo.
I'll agree Halo was revolutionary though, which Sonic never was in terms of gameplay.[/s:3bweymw5]
Actually forget everything I said, this day is finally good and I'm willing to admit I am wrong and everyone else is right!
But it really was such a terrible day :lol:
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Surely mr madden and mr Jackson helped sales too?
Also, what the hell is going on?!
Were we all being exploited on the kartel?
Answer me goddammit!
/nerd rage
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Aki-at, why did you cross out all your arguments? It sounded like you had interesting stuff to say! :?:
Anyway, I would never argue that Sonic was the biggest factor in the Genesis/SNES war, but I was just saying that there were a lot of other things Sega did that was also likely necessary to win.
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Aki-at, why did you cross out all your arguments? It sounded like you had interesting stuff to say! :?:
Because today is NOW a good day and one of the rare times where I will agree with everyone on almost everything.
[spoiler:38yewusv]Except deep combat engines in Shinobi.[/spoiler:38yewusv]
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Yes, but claiming the Genesis' success was purely because of Sonic doesn't seem right. Sega had the better marketing, a head-start etc etc.
Clearly you are a viral Marketer for for Sonic the Hedgehog, Aki-at!
The jig is up...
[spoiler:2g1q09qu]I am AAUK![/spoiler:2g1q09qu]
PS. Not sure if you are serious or not, but Mega Drive sales were really poor up until Sonic 1.
AAUK... the guy that all classicOMGBLACKEYE Sonic fans hates over your rant? :P
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At the time of Sonic 1, I saw it, and I thought the color and the parallax scrolling were amazing, but the Genesis was already a household name, at least in the US.
This is my opinion, having been in High School when the Genesis came out.
Sonic 1 was another addition to a great list of titles. Once Sega decided to start bundling it with the Console,rather than Altered Beast, then Sonic was pushed into the mascot role, and people started taking notice what a great game it was.
Was Sonic ever bundled with the Genesis 1, or was it only the Genesis 2 and later? We bought it separately.
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At the time of Sonic 1, I saw it, and I thought the color and the parallax scrolling were amazing, but the Genesis was already a household name, at least in the US.
This is my opinion, having been in High School when the Genesis came out.
Sonic 1 was another addition to a great list of titles. Once Sega decided to start bundling it with the Console,rather than Altered Beast, then Sonic was pushed into the mascot role, and people started taking notice what a great game it was.
Was Sonic ever bundled with the Genesis 1, or was it only the Genesis 2 and later? We bought it separately.
I was pretty young when we got our Mega Drive/Genesis, We definitely had teh first edition, but I can't remember if Sonic was bundled with it or not. I think it might have just been Altered Beast and Columns that came with it though...
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My dad got me a Mega Drive II. It came with Sonic 1 and some other awesome games.
I think Sega should have done the opposite of what they did.
Add-ons out or not, they should have sticked with primarily the Mega Drive well into 95 or 96. Forget the PS, it was going to be a success anyway, and make the Saturn fight head to head with the N64, with some better hardware.
The Mega CD at least gave the Mega Drive so much late potential. My opinion. It should have been more explored.
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Mine came with Sonic 1 (and a 3-in-1 cartridge with Hang-On, Italia 90 and Columns) and it's the first model. I'm pretty sure later Mega Drive II's were bundled with S&K in Portugal.
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I just visited Sega Nerds, and dear lord has that place turned into n00b city! So many n00bs... it made me cry.
One asked me: "I have to ask because im so curious! What games did ya get with the sega?"
Whaaa? "the sega"? The writer was clearly from the USA and has written in English before. That sort of bizarrely written n00bish question didn't deserve a reply.
Also, this post made me cry: "Never played shenmue, but I'll probably give it a try if theres a remake ever! that was wat happen to me w/GOW"
Sorry, I like the Sega Nerds news page, and the swag thing is a unique idea, but with all y'all coming over here the boards have gone to the n00bies.
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Most of the replies there are from kids wanting karma points, so they post stupid stuff on everything. I can't take anything commented there too seriously.
Specially when someone suggests Mod Nation Racing over SASASAR, seriously?
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My "Sega" came with the Snail Maze game and Hang On built in.
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Most of the replies there are from kids wanting karma points, so they post stupid stuff on everything. I can't take anything commented there too seriously.
Specially when someone suggests Mod Nation Racing over SASASAR, seriously?
have you tried the Modnation racers beta?
it's totally generic, evenmore generic than some of the weapons in SASAR!
The first game i got with the sega was alex kidd in miracle world.
It was built in and came on when i tried playing sonic or pyscho fox.
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Most of the replies there are from kids wanting karma points, so they post stupid stuff on everything. I can't take anything commented there too seriously.
Specially when someone suggests Mod Nation Racing over SASASAR, seriously?
have you tried the Modnation racers beta?
it's totally generic, evenmore generic than some of the weapons in SASAR!
The first game i got with the sega was alex kidd in miracle world.
It was built in and came on when i tried playing sonic or pyscho fox.
Yeah, I have the BETA, or was in it. The racing felt shitty as hell. I could not get into the game and the track making didn't feel that stratifying as LBP. Not as in depth.
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Most of the replies there are from kids wanting karma points, so they post stupid stuff on everything. I can't take anything commented there too seriously.
Specially when someone suggests Mod Nation Racing over SASASAR, seriously?
have you tried the Modnation racers beta?
it's totally generic, evenmore generic than some of the weapons in SASAR!
The first game i got with the sega was alex kidd in miracle world.
It was built in and came on when i tried playing sonic or pyscho fox.
Yeah, I have the BETA, or was in it. The racing felt shitty as hell. I could not get into the game and the track making didn't feel that stratifying as LBP. Not as in depth.
I agree with you there, plus more often than not I would get stuck on the other side of the barrier and have to press the reset to track button.
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Most of the replies there are from kids wanting karma points, so they post stupid stuff on everything. I can't take anything commented there too seriously.
So true, and that's the inherent problem of offering 'rewards' so easily. You'll get a lot of people with zero actual interest in what they are doing, just hanging around to scab free stuff. And of course, since that's their sole purpose, they'll probably get everything quicker than the long-time members.
Remember when they gave away 20 free points in some thread? THe first 5 posters or so were all people that never even posted on SegaNerds!
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FREE $Karma points
FIRST @ SEGAbits
post here to get free $Karma points at the kartel
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Gimme points gimme gimme
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SEGAbits should have their own swag auction. But instead of winning mousepads and coffee mugs, we can win drawings of penises autographed by Ryan....or win Shadi himself delivered in a box.
Or Bentley Jones CDs.
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Shadi could donate his "secret" shovelware games he likes to play.
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Shadi could donate his "secret" shovelware games he likes to play.
I wish i owned a bunch of shovelware games at the moment, would sell them to gamestop torwards my all stars racing purchase
50% extra for trade in's. yay for promotions. Will probably trade in tons of Wii games, would be great to not have to spend any money.