SEGAbits Forums
Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: STORM! on August 04, 2010, 07:43:45 am
-
(http://http://a.imageshack.us/img33/4517/96643563.jpg)
Finally announced! And it is not "Whirlwind Stories"...
Sawada is the producer, again, with Tony as characters designer... again.
PSP is the platform, and it is a RPG. The story takes place on an island, and Rikku (maybe Rick) is the main character, and there are 3 main heroines.
No more information at now.
**************************************
Ok! The game will be showed firstly at Comic Market in Japan. As you can see, this is not the game featuring that previously showed girl named "MAXIMA", the main character of the rumored title to replace Sakura Taisen series for Sega.
There is a rumor saying that "Shining Hearts" is actually the previous registered title "Whirlwind Monogatari", with a different title.
Sawada is back on the Shining series because Shimosato has completely apologized about that "fight" for the control of the Shining series some time back. Shimosato said "I'm sorry, please come back to the series!" LOL!!!!
Remember that rumor about Sega announcing a new Shining game at E3? And, yes, Sega has really showed the game there; only a selected people has seen the game at closed doors. It's another rumor, and I don't know if it was Shining Hearts or another Shining game.
With this new title, we can officially forgot about that rumor saying that Sega has finished completely the "Shining Project" with Shining Force Cross.
And now, we know that Sawada has, at least, another 1 title using Tony as the designer at Sega, since we have not seen the game featuring Maxima yet.
About Bayonetta, there are rumors about some announce at the same event regarding Bayonetta. Some people are saying it is not a new game; it is something else. Goods?
I can't wait to see that all!!!
-
As much as I used to like Shining Force... I just dont care anymore.
I want an SRPG like they used to be...
I can safely say I never enjoyed any of the Shining games that werent SRPGs apart from Shining Soul 2.
-
Thanks for the info STORM!, especially that about the Shining games (mostly the rumors), i'm a very fan of the series but unlike Sharky i also appreciated the latest releases, however, by far preferring Shining games in form of SRPGs, with SF3 as the most liked.
-
Looks atrociously bad, not that I expected anything, given how insultingly terrible NEO/EXA/Wind/Tears were, but that's really terrible looking, completely bland and soulless the story sounds awful too.
The old shining games were great, and they arent hard to replicate, I dont know why they wont even try.
-
Mainly it's the guy headlining the series now fault, he pretty much made sure Tony's art designs are used in Shining and changed the series to a completely different direction.
That and Shining Force Feather bombed spectacularly in Japan that any future SRPG SEGA would see as an extreme risk.
-
WHERE ARE THE CENTAURS AND BIRDMEN?!? I DO NOT SEE THEM!!
-
direct in-game images , characters , logo etc etc
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1238413_1407.html (http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1238413_1407.html)
-
direct in-game images , characters , logo etc etc
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1238413_1407.html (http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1238413_1407.html)
That looks really good. It seems that it's going to be a turn based rpg. I'm kinda happy with that and it's a pretty long time since SEGA released a traditional rpg... if I remember correctly.
I like what I see
-
It doesn't look THAT bad (although it still shouldn't be bearing the Shining name). The character designs are a bit predictable, but at least it looks quite polished.
-
Oooh, check out the biscuits on the bread girl!
(http://http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/hB2nY65k76cdVAa134mLd6oU1u7ZwZC2.jpg)
The stuff in the basket ain't bad either.
-
I find it looks bland and ugly... I HATE this Tony guys art style too... It's such a crappy cliche anime style the kind of shit you'd expect fat nerdy american kids to replicate.
-
The teaser site is open:
http://shining-world.jp/hearts/ (http://shining-world.jp/hearts/)
The best? The music composer is Hiroki Kikuta, composer of classics like Seiken Densetsu 2, Seiken Densetsu 3 and Soukaigi.
You can listen a song from the game on the site. I can't stop listen it XDDD
Shut up! Sharky bakabakabaka ;pppp
-
And the Bayonetta thing was a re-release of the game in Japan.
-
I find it looks bland and ugly... I HATE this Tony guys art style too... It's such a crappy cliche anime style the kind of shit you'd expect fat nerdy american kids to replicate.
I agree that the art style is bland. Needs thicker lines, and a bit more originality. I much prefer this art style:
(http://http://www.kawapaper.com/d/13023-3/Kawapaper_Shining_Force_0000019_1280x1024.jpg)
More pronounced noses, costumes are larger and simpler with bold colors and eyes are more expressive. I was flipping through my SEGA art book last night and was loving the old 80's/early 90's SEGA RPG art. Really awesome stuff.
Also, the titles need to be more aggressive. No more acronyms, no more words like "hearts" or "tears" or "memories".
-
Wait! Memories?
OMG!!! SHINING MEMORIES!!! Nice name to the next Shining game XDDD
Hmmm... I don't think this is the "real" announcement regarding Bayonetta. There is one thing more.
-
I think the problem with the look of Shining [s:3jg7ep0h]Memories[/s:3jg7ep0h] Hearts is that it does little to differentiate itself from most (if not all) other current rpgs. Too calm and "safe", nothing that grabs ones attention. PSO, Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia mixed things up a bit and gave new and unique characters and looks despite being very similar to other rpg archetypes. Personally, I've been playing (and loving) Zenonia on my iPod. Character designs are a little different from the norm, it has a snarky attitude at times and has this whole good/bad mechanic.
-
^I agree. I can't find anything particularly BAD with the design and setting etc, but it's just so... boring.
But yeah re-release of Bayonetta? What changes etc have they made?
-
It's not like looks are the only problems these games have anyway.
The plot to this game sounds like a bottom of the barrel hentai game. You live with 3 sisters, a girl has lost her emotions, help get them back with your [s:1tw7l78o]penis[/s:1tw7l78o] magic.
-
I agree with... Well, everyone on the art direction. Especially with something like Shining Force II. IMHO that game has the best art direction in an sRPG ever.
What really bugs me about what is happening with this franchise is that literally nothing is shared from the previous style, which had like 20 releases in it's lifetime. I can take a shitty game or twelve, but why would they ditch a completely realized world that sets up hundreds of characters and places that also opens itself up to basically any genre one could throw at it? They are now even starting to ditch basic character values like centaurs (something that is a very rare type of creature outside of the series) and replacing them with women who also have cat-like ears. Are you fucking serious?
It really, really all pains me so much, because this was my favorite SEGA franchise for awhile... Along with Sonic when Sonic Team was unarguably great.
-
I hate to sound like Fluffymoochicken, but I love the art and I like the style and story and such. :(
-
I hate to sound like Fluffymoochicken, but I love the art and I like the style and story and such. :(
Once you start posting the theme song to Team Rose, then you'll sound like fluffy. You're safe for now.
To be fair, I don't hate the art. In fact, I kind of like the look of the in-game characters.
-
The opening movie is now on:
[youtube:p28f6ed5]KCl8XPQ7ZvU[/youtube:p28f6ed5]
Good quality! But it does not shown nothing... I don't like it. Neither the music...
-
I love SEGA, that's all
-
I love SEGA, that's all
Totally off topic, but I love your avatar.
-
I find it looks bland and ugly... I HATE this Tony guys art style too... It's such a crappy cliche anime style the kind of shit you'd expect fat nerdy american kids to replicate.
I agree that the art style is bland. Needs thicker lines, and a bit more originality. I much prefer this art style:
(http://http://www.kawapaper.com/d/13023-3/Kawapaper_Shining_Force_0000019_1280x1024.jpg)
You guys do realize that that's the "cliche anime style" from yesteryear, right? :P You may think that it's so fresh and original, but it's not. It looks like the swords n' sorcery anime and manga series from around the time period that the game came from. Heck, I wouldn't even say that this is really good or noteworthy artwork even for its time, especially since the character designs are so generic.
So in other words, nothing has changed about the Shining series' art direction except for the times and the fact that the quality is much improved. If anything, comparing a character like Firklin to these three, I'd say that the originality in the design work has gone up rather than gone down. ^^;;;;
-
And yet its still more pleasing to look at... Go figure.
But that isnt what we are talking about, we are talking about the designs in general. In the old games the characters had clothes based on medieval European dress, lots of thick knights armour and it was a lot more down to earth.
Now they all look like skinny girly men with terrible final fantasy esque cosplay.
-
But that isnt what we are talking about,
Yes it is. You keep bringing up the "cliche anime style" of the newer games when talking about how the older Shining games were sooooo much better and whatnot.
The only thing you didn't realize is that Shining Force actually had just as much (if not more) of a "cliche anime style" as the newer games.
In the old games the characters had clothes based on medieval European dress, lots of thick knights armour and it was a lot more down to earth.
So in other words, you're a Western person who wants all of the clothing designs to appeal specifically to your own Western tastes so that they can sell to a teeny tiny niche group of old SEGA fanboys living in the Western world - of whom SEGA can never hope to make a profit or cut even from?
Right. Moving on... =P
Now they all look like skinny girly men with terrible final fantasy esque cosplay.
Uh huh...
http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/s111 ... apcoa8.jpg (http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/s111_ZzI39x52KxeX6yJragtocstH36apcoa8.jpg)
So would you really look at this game and tell me it resembles FFXIII? Really?
-
Yes it is. You keep bringing up the "cliche anime style" of the newer games when talking about how the older Shining games were sooooo much better and whatnot.
The only thing you didn't realize is that Shining Force actually had just as much (if not more) of a "cliche anime style" as the newer games.
Good, well the old cliche was better then the new one...
So in other words, you're a Western person who wants all of the clothing designs to appeal specifically to your own Western tastes so that they can sell to a teeny tiny niche group of old SEGA fanboys living in the Western world - of whom SEGA can never hope to make a profit or cut even from?
No, I don't walk around wearing armour and medieval clothes they don't appeal to me anymore then skirts... But that WAS the style of the Shining Force games and it suited the tone and style better than the shit they have now.
Also I don't appriciate the 'personal taste' lecture from someone that wants to find some gay motive to every character and thinks everything should look like a unicorn turd.
Uh huh...
http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/s111 ... apcoa8.jpg (http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/s111_ZzI39x52KxeX6yJragtocstH36apcoa8.jpg)
So would you really look at this game and tell me it resembles FFXIII? Really?
I didnt say FFXIII, And that is not the main character...
-
While the classic Shining Force style could have been called cliche at the time, my point about it is that were it to resurface to represent the series circa 2010 it WOULD be unique. The strongest aspect of the art style is that it is what many fans remember to be the look of the series. The old art style combined with a Shining _____ title would catch the eyes of many more RPG fans and SEGA fans than the current series does.
At the moment, the current art style is (as already mentioned in previous posts) cliche in today's games. put a piece of black tape over the title "Shining Hearts" and I couldn't tell you it was a Shining Force game. I'd probably think it was some Square product or some RPG from a little known company.
Another very strong aspect of the classic Shining Force style is, as Sharky mentioned, the reliance on European dress and lots of thick bulky knights armor. I believe the use of large areas of bright primary colors helps and the characters of old had much more expressive and unique faces. White people actually looked like long faced big nosed white people!
Compare the two:
(http://http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/127/picture1id.png)
Face is hidden, too small, non expressive. Colors are gray tones with only a touch of muted red.
(http://http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/449/sfartchar24.jpg)
Face is easy to see, very expressive. Character pops with bright green clothes, a large blue cloak, big brown boots, armor is not detailed but rather is represented by large bulky metallic bits that cover his legs and hands. Hair is a reddish brown.
-
Good, well the old cliche was better then the new one...
Alrighty, if that's the way you feel. =P
No, I don't walk around wearing armour and medieval clothes they don't appeal to me anymore then skirts...
Good thing I never said that you did, then. Otherwise, you might actually have some kind of point with that statement! =)
But that WAS the style of the Shining Force games and it suited the tone and style better than the shit they have now.
Because...?
I think that the real problem here is that modern Japanese anime art style has gone and left you behind, making these characters seem too foreign and strange to you. That was the point I was making before.
I didnt say FFXIII, And that is not the main character...
You didn't specify "main character".
However, it does prove that not all of the men are effeminate.
While the classic Shining Force style could have been called cliche at the time, my point about it is that were it to resurface to represent the series circa 2010 it WOULD be unique.
Actually, no, it wouldn't be unique. A lot of the generic character designs that you saw in Shining Force are still occasionally being used in some other games:
(http://http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6595/ike.jpg)
(http://http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/449/sfartchar24.jpg)
Compare: Headband, cape, metallic gloves, oversized sword, knife on the belt, long shirt that makes a skirt-like effect, knee-high boots, mullet-type hair...
It's about as boring, run of the mill, and unoriginal of a main character you can get for a Western-styled fantasy setting. Obviously though, Ike is a much better take on this troped-out design. The one from Shining Force isn't very good at all.
The strongest aspect of the art style is that it is what many fans remember to be the look of the series.
You say that as if Shining Force currently has a huge mainstream following instead of teeny tiny cult following.
Face is hidden, too small, non expressive.
That's only because you picked and chose a bad photograph to use rather than the much better quality official art that was up on Famitsu's website. You might have realized that you'll be able to see the character's face in-game if you weren't so busy trying to fabricate a "point" that doesn't exist in reality.
http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/RBBJ ... 44MpPo.jpg (http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/RBBJWV2ffTo93zF8FS62uUOMS244MpPo.jpg)
Character pops with bright green clothes, a large blue cloak, big brown boots, armor is not detailed but rather is represented by large bulky metallic bits that cover his legs and hands. Hair is a reddish brown.
I believe that what you're meaning to say is that the character is tacky as all hell, then.
-
Whoa... I know this series has a special place in your memories, but looking at it from my own subjective view of someone who hasn't ever had a vested interest in it... the newer character art is far better. That older art almost looks like fan art, somewhat amateurish. Having said that (and ducking in advance of virtual objects hurled at my head), they could still incorporate the Euro-medieval style armor designs in the new, more refined character designs.
-
Sorry, but...
classic:
(http://http://www.kawapaper.com/d/13023-3/Kawapaper_Shining_Force_0000019_1280x1024.jpg)
Tacky as hell:
(http://http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7444/kawapapershiningforce00.jpg)
As for this image:
(http://http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/RBBJWV2ffTo93zF8FS62uUOMS244MpPo.jpg)
Even in full clarity that face has about as much expression as a ham sandwich.
-
Whoa... I know this series has a special place in your memories, but looking at it from my own subjective view of someone who hasn't ever had a vested interest in it... the newer character art is far better. That older art almost looks like fan art, somewhat amateurish. Having said that (and ducking in advance of virtual objects hurled at my head), they could still incorporate the Euro-medieval style armor designs in the new, more refined character designs.
But even then, they'll have to face up to the fact that swords and sorcery fantasy art has changed a bit since the late 80's/early 90's. Even if the series transformed into a Fire Emblem clone tomorrow (which is essentially what it seems they're wanting anyway), they'll still have complaints about it looking too much like the modern "cliche anime style". :P
(I'm also sure that becoming a FE clone would go over well on the internet, right? "OMG, SEGA's ripping off Nintendo!!!11!!")
But also keep in mind that with games like this, they're not specifically targeting a male demographic anymore. That's why the official art of Shining Hearts has such an air of femininity; with these kind of games, it's imperative to appeal to as wide a demographic as possible.
In Japan, that is. :P Naturally, people who were hoping for their art design to be perpetually trapped in the early 90's are going to be disappointed.
classic:
It's only "classic" to you because you're looking at it through nostalgia goggles, and they're rabid SEGA fanboy nostalgia goggles at that.
-
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sitd/1/sitd_manual_gila.jpg)
-
I love the shining force original art style and I would have been happy if they had used it for a new shining force. Though this game is not shining force but shining hearts, and I dig the artstyle for this game, I dig it alot.
The picture above me in barry the nomad's post is of the gba remake and it shows they can still do it if they want to.
I do understand where you guys are coming from though, the main character looks kind of soft... can I use the word gay around here? No offense :oops:
-
I do understand where you guys are coming from though, the main character looks kind of soft... can I use the word gay around here? No offense :oops:
Go right ahead. However, I wouldn't consider him to be looking gay, personally.
-
It's only "classic" to you because you're looking at it through nostalgia goggles, and they're rabid SEGA fanboy nostalgia goggles at that.
Fluff, remember what I said about tossing about the word "fanboy"? How I said to stop it? Yeah, well stop it. XBOX, PS3, SEGA or otherwise.
-
It wouldn't hurt if the main character was a bit more manly though. I know it's just a game and in games main characters mostly are powerful, but he looks like he'd be a weakling in real life.
It doesn't bother me or anything but when I play with a male character, I like him to be manly, same thing as I want a woman character to be feminine, unless she has manly charactaristics, but that kind of stuff seems to fit better with female characters than the other way around.
I might be looking to deep into it lol
-
Keep in mind that point about appealing to a wide audience, though, and you'll understand that androgynous leading males are popular for good reason. A male character with some feminine traits are seen as being youthful and attractive, and lots of female players go gaga over them. But the feminine aspect isn't overblown to the point that it'd disgust male players, either; overall, I'd say that most straight male players are perfectly fine with having a main character who is seen as attractive, but isn't a complete girly boy. The absolute girly boy is typically going to be someone other than the main character. Then, they also have the stronger and more masculine men in the games to appeal to guys and to girls who prefer males to be tall, dark, and handsome.
Welcome to RPG Character Design 101? ^^
-
I guess so... though I prefer characters like Vyse from skies of arcadia.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/skies ... 6/Vyse.jpg (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/skiesofarcadia/images/8/86/Vyse.jpg)
Cloud and Zack from ff VII are also good examples though I prefer vyse's youthfullnes
I'm gonna buy this game nonetheless if it comes out because I love traditional rpg games from sega :D
-
(http://http://sf1.shiningforcecentral.com/images/characters/luke.jpg)
-
What the fuck are you even on Fluffy? You said you were never even interested in the series prior, so how should you be able to claim that 15+ games all are way more generic than the newer releases. I pointed out the centaurs, birdmen and stuff too, this kind of stuff was replaced by girls with cat ears, are you seriously arguing that this way is better and more original? Can you even name another game series that has centaurs in it?
The series is much much much lower budget than it ever was because it appeals to a much smaller audience than the Genesis/Saturn releases did. The reason for the recent change was because the series never really was much of a hit in Japan, and even recently it does not do very good regardless, the best way to sum it up is 'shovelware' even. Your point of the art design being more appealing launches right out of the window when you realize the series is now doing poorly everywhere and games like Mass Effect and Fallout 3 with such a terrible 'Western' design are selling out everywhere and are the talk of the Internet.
Also, everyone is just mad because you are talking about it in such an egotistically annoying way, pretending like you know better than everyone when you literally cannot as you have not even seen most of these games in motion.
-
The bottom line is this is what Shining Force is to every long term fan of Shining Force,
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_chester.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_elric.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_slade.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_tyrin.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/19/sf2_manual_jp_sirastral.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sfcd/115/sfcd_book_apis.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sfcd/115/sfcd_book_shriek.jpg)
This stuff IS Shining Force, I love the cartoony feel to the art style, I love the water coloured hand drawn look of it... None of it looks 'generic' to me at all.
But the new stuff could easily be any number of very generic boring animes or low budget games... I've watched plenty of anime from the 80s and 90s and frankly I haven't seen a lot that looks like this at all.
-
It's only "classic" to you because you're looking at it through nostalgia goggles, and they're rabid SEGA fanboy nostalgia goggles at that.
I wouldn't say that. Classic is one of those things that is whatever people want it to be. I wouldn't say that is has one set meaning set in stone, nor does it have to do with sales, console, graphics, developer, or the like. I think for a game to be "classic" it just has to affect the player in a way that is unforgettable, and just be an all out great game that he/she enjoys a lot and can personally pick up and play without getting super bored.
And the fanboy comment was totally out of line, if they're going to call it a Shining game, it has to be at least semi similar to the games that people thoroughly enjoyed and that started the franchise. Things change, we all get that, not every game in a series has to be a carbon copy of its predecessor, but this game looks nothing like the Shining games we grew up with. I think it'd be getting much less hate if it even had a different name, and didn't try to rake in sales just by having the Shining name. Much like ASR and UGC did.
-
You know... I never really were a fan of the shining games but I did play them, and loved them too. To be honest I also never really cared about the art style and I was just playing the games, enjoying the art style, the environments and gameplay without thinking ow wow, this game has such a unique art style.
But now paying more attention to it, that art style from the old games "was" really unique and now I kinda see where you guys are coming from. I agree that the new art style couldve been just any game made by company's like namco bandai. The shining force style was unique and had it's own familliar identity. It's a waste if they're not using it anymore.
-
I wouldn't call the original Shining art designs original...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHLGnexe-w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHLGnexe-w)
While both the old and the new are generic looking, I think that the older games could make up for it with good story, music and gameplay, which the newer games lack all together.
-
I wouldn't call the original Shining art designs original...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHLGnexe-w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHLGnexe-w)
While both the old and the new are generic looking, I think that the older games could make up for it with good story, music and gameplay, which the newer games lack all together.
Everything about classic Shining Force is wripped right out of LotR... But thats why its so awesome.
-
Just because one thing you can name looks similar does not mean it is generic in any way... That is like saying Sonic is generic looking because his base is designed around Mickey Mouse.
I do not really think the old Shining series had much of a Japanese-styled look at all either (outside of the Game Gear titles), I would say it is closer to some French animations. Even then I think a lot of the characters and worlds had a lot of love and creativity put into them, without making anything that truly seemed impossible. These are the building blocks of what makes some of the most loved stories of humanities' history.
Also,
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf/141/sf_tvgame_mishaela.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_may.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/ss/140/ss_book1_soul_thor.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/stha/110/stha_book_panzer.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sfcd/115/sfcd_book_stock.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/ss/140/ss_book1_soul_jogurt.jpg)
-
I always thought they looked like mainstream western stuff, like He-Man.
-
Looking at all these character designs recently posted, I immediately got an impression of 70s Ralph Bakshi fantasy style. I was also reminded of Wendy and Richard Pini's ElfQuest designs, which I think in turn were somewhat influenced by both European comics and manga. I can see that they have a lot of exuberance and personality, whereas the newer designs seem more technically refined but also more reserved/less expressive. But, how is it any different than with comics when different artists take over for a while? Games are a commercial art and must necessarily be staffed by different artists in different eras. Wasn't there a pretty radical shift in design from the original Phantasy Stars to the 3D era?
-
Looking at all these character designs recently posted, I immediately got an impression of 70s Ralph Bakshi fantasy style. I was also reminded of Wendy and Richard Pini's ElfQuest designs, which I think in turn were somewhat influenced by both European comics and manga. I can see that they have a lot of exuberance and personality, whereas the newer designs seem more technically refined but also more reserved/less expressive. But, how is it any different than with comics when different artists take over for a while? Games are a commercial art and must necessarily be staffed by different artists in different eras. Wasn't there a pretty radical shift in design from the original Phantasy Stars to the 3D era?
Well yeah, if you look at Shining Force II and Shining Force III you would see a big difference as it is all done by new people, but they are still wearing the same kind of clothes and weapons, and it is all done with the same kind of logic as the previous releases were.
I think some of the new games have alright art sometimes too, but it is just not the same. I could forgive a lot of this stuff if they were still taking place in the same settings and had the same overall plot, but they seem pretty content with the way it is now I guess...
-
I think the Shining Force series of today should have taken a page from Panzer Dragoon Orta. While Orta looks different from PD1, it still retains certain elements that make you "get" that both Orta and PD1 are of the same series, but still have their own look.
(http://http://www.thewilloftheancients.com/wallpapers/images/panzer-dragoon_dot_com_dragon_riders_1024x768.jpg)
-
I think the Shining Force series of today should have taken a page from Panzer Dragoon Orta. While Orta looks different from PD1, it still retains certain elements that make you "get" that both Orta and PD1 are of the same series, but still have their own look.
Nope! That one is the designer of Phantasy Star Online/Universe.
-
Nope! That one is the designer of Phantasy Star Online/Universe.
Not being snarky or anything, but I didn't really understand what you wrote. :-/
-
I think the Shining Force series of today should have taken a page from Panzer Dragoon Orta. While Orta looks different from PD1, it still retains certain elements that make you "get" that both Orta and PD1 are of the same series, but still have their own look.
Nope! That one is the designer of Phantasy Star Online/Universe.
The Orta artist?
-
Speaking of Art I thought I'd give classic SF a go... Might colour it... But currently irritated after struggleing with a pen that desided to give up the will to ink half way though the picture (you may be able to tell.) I gave it a slight personal artistic flare.
(http://http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs313.snc4/41000_430189314379_728674379_4643560_2617884_n.jpg)
-
Oh! I want to comment more and write topics here, but I can't... I have no time enough and I'm tired a lot :cry:
Yes! The Orta artist works on the Phantasy Star series now. Also, Sega has another plans to the Shining series, thats why the art of the Shining series has changed a lot.
Ok! I have the same think about the changes, it looks like a cheap romance simulation game like other tiny companies are always releasing on the Japanese PC market, BUT, it still being a Sega game, and the games are not bad like a cheap PC romance simulation game.
It looks like, but it's not!
Yes, the Shining games produced by Sawada has the plots, storyboard, storyline, whatever... same as a romance simulation game, but it is just one factor of the system, something to appeal to new auddiences, but it's not a romance simulation game and you can see that clearly after playing it.
Tony is not a bad designer. He could be not original/good/fantastic as the other 4 older artists of the series, but stills a good artist with high skills and very detailed and rich characters.
I will stop here by now(want to play some Uncharted before sleep XD), but, take a look at Tony's characters he made for Shining Wind. I don't know how they are called in the West, but the "beastmen" drawned by him, are the best I have ever seen on the Shining series! And stop calling it "Shining Force series", cause its not! It is SHINING series! ;ppp
-
(http://http://heath.shikokusensei.com/rpgland/scans/aug-11-rpgscans07.jpg)
(http://http://heath.shikokusensei.com/rpgland/scans/aug-11-rpgscans10.jpg)
(http://http://heath.shikokusensei.com/rpgland/scans/aug-11-rpgscans08.jpg)
(http://http://heath.shikokusensei.com/rpgland/scans/aug-11-rpgscans09.jpg)
Also collecting hearts is not what people thought it was... You don't collect hearts around the enviroment, you gain different coloured hearts after completeing quests which some how effect how you are seen by the people of the world.
-
The bottom line is this is what Shining Force is to every long term fan of Shining Force,
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_chester.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_elric.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_slade.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/93/sf2_book_tyrin.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sf2/19/sf2_manual_jp_sirastral.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sfcd/115/sfcd_book_apis.jpg)
(http://http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/artwork/sfcd/115/sfcd_book_shriek.jpg)
This stuff IS Shining Force, I love the cartoony feel to the art style, I love the water coloured hand drawn look of it... None of it looks 'generic' to me at all.
But the new stuff could easily be any number of very generic boring animes or low budget games... I've watched plenty of anime from the 80s and 90s and frankly I haven't seen a lot that looks like this at all.
Well, the kingdom heartsation of the once great Shining series is now complete.I can only imagine what geoffery duke's reaction to this game is....if he still cares. I'll buy a copy for collection's sake once it becomes cheap. But I won't buy one for gameplay purposes as i usually do.
As for the art style it was a rip of that guy who did Dragon's lair. I forgotten his name but that was the style that these games were inspired by until they chucked it out the window with the saturn games.
Now its like any other emo J pop star "I wonder if i'm a boy or a girl?" with a hidden power to destroy the world crap that's polluting the RPG market.
-
The art's not what bothers me so much as the lack of worthwhile story, not gameplay. One knockoff after the other. Big deal. I personally always thought Sega's RPG department was never brilliantly original with its concepts, so much as its executions. A perfect example would be something like Skies of Arcadia, which was hardly an original game...it just took the concepts of others and made them great.
I don't give a rat's ass if the art is rough. I'm used to it. Phantasy Star, Shining Force, etc always had shitty art in my opinion. They just had very well thought out stories, which made the generic character designs seem better, because the stories made them more memorable.
-
It is hard to tell because all of the new art has no inspiration or creativity at all. Look how all of their faces are the same outside of the guy with the beard. The only major difference is they have different hair styles and colors... Why is it done with such a lazy style? It is so strange, because they are all very detailed too.
-
I liked shining force's 3 style the most. It was like shining force 1and 2 style with better drawing skills.
I've been searching for all the shining games and i've noticed that the styles differ from each game. I don't mind that and if shining hearts wants to be gay i'm fine with that. But I surely hope it won't be permanent and set as a standard.
I mean look at shining tears (http://http://www.google.nl/images?um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=gOl3TL2JCOefOLaQvOcF&ved=0CB8QBSgA&q=shining+tears&spell=1&biw=1440&bih=707)
and shining winds (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Wind)
....
...
While typing this I realised that the style has been used for a pretty long time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_%28series%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_%28series%29)
Not cool man
I'd honestly rather have this
(http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Shining_Force_III_cover.jpg)
-
I liked shining force's 3 style the most. It was like shining force 1and 2 style with better drawing skills.
I've been searching for all the shining games and i've noticed that the styles differ from each game. I don't mind that and if shining hearts wants to be gay i'm fine with that. But I surely hope it won't be permanent and set as a standard.
I mean look at shining tears (http://http://www.google.nl/images?um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=gOl3TL2JCOefOLaQvOcF&ved=0CB8QBSgA&q=shining+tears&spell=1&biw=1440&bih=707)
and shining winds (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Wind)
http://www.animeresimleri.com/data/medi ... lpaper.jpg (http://www.animeresimleri.com/data/media/306/Shining_Tears_X_Wind_wallpaper.jpg)
The two guys in the center = win. ^___^
But really, I'd love it if these games were full of male characters like Firklin. (http://http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/331/iconheart.gif)
-
http://www.animeresimleri.com/data/medi ... lpaper.jpg (http://www.animeresimleri.com/data/media/306/Shining_Tears_X_Wind_wallpaper.jpg)
The two guys in the center = win. ^___^
But really, I'd love it if these games were full of male characters like Firklin. (http://http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/331/iconheart.gif)
Funny how you became such a big fan of the series and its horrible new character designs just when everyone else started voicing their distain for the new art direction.
It's almost as if you’re looking for a way to wind people up...
But you wouldn't do that, not Fuzzymoochicken...
-
Tony Taka needs to die :evil:
-
The art's not what bothers me so much as the lack of worthwhile story, not gameplay. One knockoff after the other. Big deal. I personally always thought Sega's RPG department was never brilliantly original with its concepts, so much as its executions. A perfect example would be something like Skies of Arcadia, which was hardly an original game...it just took the concepts of others and made them great.
I don't give a rat's ass if the art is rough. I'm used to it. Phantasy Star, Shining Force, etc always had shitty art in my opinion. They just had very well thought out stories, which made the generic character designs seem better, because the stories made them more memorable.
Have to disagree with you there a bit although half your points are valid. Shining Force art style was one of the reasons it stood out from the rest of the pack. Most RPGs at that time(early to mid nineties) went with the generic 1980's style anime/manga look or the boris vajello style but SF didn't it was suitable to the content of the game which also made it more likely to catch your eye when someone's browsing for a new game. the art the story and game design was essentially the complete package of quality that any gamer would want unlike the lack of care and attention that the new series has in abundance.
The art is just one of the signs to a bigger problem with what's wrong with the series at the moment.
-
Funny how you became such a big fan of the series and its wonderful new character designs just when everyone else started voicing their distain for the new art direction.
Yeah, I know! ^__^ I really must thank you guys for introducing me to all this cool stuff. If you hadn't started talking about it, I wouldn't have realized that such excellent character designs even existed.
Tony Taka needs to die
That's a mighty bit harsh, don't you think? :P
What they really need is to get Firklin's designer from Shining Force EXA back.
-
What they really need is to get Firklin's designer from Shining Force EXA back.
WE GET IT. YOU LOVE FIRKLIN. YOU LIKE FRUITY BOYS. YOU ARE GAY. WE GET IT. REALLY. PLEASE STOP. YOUR POSTS MAKE ME WANT TO RIP MY HAIR OUT AND TYPE IN CAPITALS LIKE AN EIGHT YEAR OLD. NOBODY ELSE HERE SHARES YOUR LOVE OF PANSYASS SHINING CHARACTERS OR HOMOEROTIC TAILS FANART.
-
You can't stop Mangels cause HIS CAPSLOCK KEY IS TOO LOUD
-
WE GET IT. YOU LOVE FIRKLIN. YOU LIKE FRUITY BOYS. YOU ARE GAY. WE GET IT. REALLY. PLEASE STOP. YOUR POSTS MAKE ME WANT TO RIP MY HAIR OUT AND TYPE IN CAPITALS LIKE AN EIGHT YEAR OLD. NOBODY ELSE HERE SHARES YOUR LOVE OF PANSYASS SHINING CHARACTERS OR HOMOEROTIC TAILS FANART.
Whoa, there. You shouldn't get yourself so bent out of shape just because someone enjoys excellent character designs. It really isn't good for your blood pressure. ^^ Want a back massage?
But anyway, the point I was trying to make was that whoever did the designs for SF EXA was better than Tony Taka.
-
Stop winding people up...
-
"pako" is the name of the designer for EXA. He is good too, but I like Tony more.
The best artist although works on Camelot, and I think he is exclusive.
Untill Camelot don't came back, Tony is fine for me.
-
"pako" is the name of the designer for EXA. He is good too, but I like Tony more.
The best artist although works on Camelot, and I think he is exclusive.
Untill Camelot don't came back, Tony is fine for me.
"Pako", eh? Thank you for this information. ^__^ I'm out looking up his other works now.
I can't agree with your assessment on who does better designs, but at least we can both agree that they've done good work on the franchise. (http://http://forums.sega.com/images/icons/icon7.gif)
-
Where is the Bayonetta news I keep hearing about?
-
Where is the Bayonetta news I keep hearing about?
No one cares.
-
Where is the Bayonetta news I keep hearing about?
The news was the budget release in Japan, apparently.
-
Where is the Bayonetta news I keep hearing about?
No one cares.
First you're winding people up, now you're just trolling. Quit it.
-
First you're winding people up, now you're just trolling. Quit it.
It's the truth. Nobody cared about the Bayonetta news. It's not like they announced a sequel or something along those lines.
-
He asked where the Bayonetta news was, you posted a snarky "no one cares" implying that no one cares about Bayonetta which is wrong. Also, such a comment adds nothing to his question and comes off as an attempt to rile others up, hence trolling.
-
He asked where the Bayonetta news was, you posted a snarky "no one cares" implying that no one cares about Bayonetta which is wrong. Also, such a comment adds nothing to his question and comes off as an attempt to rile others up, hence trolling.
I didn't answer his question because I didn't know the answer, and what's more, I didn't care. As a matter of fact, nobody cared. Thus, I decided to give him the straight up truth as my reply. Makes sense now, doesn't it?
Nah, I'm just BS'ing you right now. :P Don't take my posts so seriously. After all, you guys make cracks at stuff I like all the time. Why can't I have a little fun, too?
-
So anything you post must always be taken as a joke, meaning you can get away posting whatever you want? Nah.
-
So anything you post must always be taken as a joke, meaning you can get away posting whatever you want? Nah.
I think it could help if you all would relax just a bit. It's not like I hate you guys.
...well, not all of you, at least. ^^;;;; But I try my best to refrain from flaming the people I don't like in arguments and doing those sorts of things. If I make a little crack at Bayonetta, then it shouldn't be a big deal. Again, you guys insult the things I like all the time. The only difference is that I've used different methods of dealing with it than you guys have. =P
-
Point I'm trying to make is don't assume everybody will read your posts as you "having a bit of fun". Your reply to Kori-Maru came off less as "oh that Fluffy, having a chuckle!" and was more like a "let's make a snarky comment to wind people up".
Also
Again, you guys insult the things I like all the time. The only difference is that I've used different methods of dealing with it than you guys have. =P
I'd argue that you're insulting something that is widely liked by the board and is a valid subject of discussion (that being Bayonetta) just to get a rise out of people, whereas you usually infuse some sort of "ooh, that boy looks cute i want to huggles him" nonsense that is unrelated 99% of the time (that 1% is a Bentley Jones topic). We insult it because it is unnecessary to the discussions at hand and we all know it is just your way of getting under people's skin.
Your problem is that you don't know how to read a room.
-
Point I'm trying to make is don't assume everybody will read your posts as you "having a bit of fun". Your reply to Kori-Maru came off less as "oh that Fluffy, having a chuckle!" and was more like a "let's make a snarky comment to wind people up".
I actually did only write it to "[have] a chuckle", as a matter of fact. If you believe it to be snarky, then I'd argue that it could only be seen as snarky as everyone else around here is 90% of the time.
I'd argue that you're insulting something that is widely liked by the board and is a valid subject of discussion (that being Bayonetta) just to get a rise out of people, whereas you usually infuse some sort of "ooh, that boy looks cute i want to huggles him" nonsense that is unrelated 99% of the time (that 1% is a Bentley Jones topic). We insult it because it is unnecessary to the discussions at hand and we all know it is just your way of getting under people's skin.
Your problem is that you don't know how to read a room.
So you think I should go with the herd (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_mentality) and mindlessly love everything you love and hate everything you hate? Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you can't tell me what opinions I can and can't have. I won't accept you telling me that it's wrong to love something that you personally hate. :P
If I say that I love Firklin's design, then I really mean it. If I want to broadcast that I love it a million times in a single thread, then I will. If you don't like it, then tough; you'll just have to get over it. Don't start whining and tell me that I'm "winding people up" simply because some people aren't able to handle my perspectives on things.
I am, in fact, a very merry and happy-go-lucky kind of person most of the time. A good deal of my posts are totally harmless. :P
-
You're free to have your own opinions, but you have to admit that you infuse your sexuality and love for cute boys into a hell of a lot of your posts. Even when it is completely unnecessary. Also, shit like telling Mengels7 "Want a back massage?" is blatant trolling and an attempt to get under the skin of somebody who you already don't have a positive history with.
If I say that I love Firklin's design, then I really mean it. If I want to broadcast that I love it a million times in a single thread, then I will. If you don't like it, then tough; you'll just have to get over it. Don't start whining and tell me that I'm "winding people up" simply because some people aren't able to handle my perspectives on things.
Thing is, that adds nothing to the discussion and once is enough. If you keep it up it becomes trolling which is the definition of "winding people up". Also, if I don't like it and others don't like it, we won't have to get over it, I'll simply issue you a warning.
-
You're free to have your own opinions, but you have to admit that you infuse your sexuality and love for cute boys into a hell of a lot of your posts. Even when it is completely unnecessary. Also, shit like telling Mengels7 "Want a back massage?" is blatant trolling and an attempt to get under the skin of somebody who you already don't have a positive history with.
The back massage comment was me wanting him to lighten up. You should know that the reason I don't have a "positive history" with Mengels7 because he carries a one-sided hateful obsession with me.
He wasn't even participating in the conversation in this thread, y'know; he only came in to complain at me for mentioning Firklin twice. Meanwhile, I hardly even know the guy. From my perspective, it seems like he only ever comes on here to make personal attacks.
-
Fluffy, it is a big deal that you constantly bring up your sexuality or gay-themed stuff. No one cares and I doubt anyone here hates homosexuals, but you bring it up all the damn time. What is the point? You know it really bugs people to the point that a whole feature was installed to the forums just so they could not see any of your posts anymore, so why do it all of the time?
Notice how no one else mentions their sexuality and if they do it is just a rare joke and even then it is so mild no one remembers it after a day? Why not just be more like this? We are not telling you to be the same as everyone else (And if you have been here for over a week you know a lot of us have opinions that clash constantly), but if you know something annoys people why keep doing it? You have even said in the past that the reason you make some of your posts too is just for attention... It is not even just that, but you constantly come into threads with no real reply other than something you will know drive people crazy. This is why you are seen as someone who keeps "Winding up" people.
A few more posts in and we will have to resort to this.
[youtube:2pr53zg7]BYLMTvxOaeE[/youtube:2pr53zg7]
-
You know it really bugs people to the point that a whole feature was installed to the forums just so they could not see any of your posts anymore, so why do it all of the time?
...Really? Sweet. Yeah Fluffy, really, you are just rubbing it in people's faces. It's annoying. Please stop? I only complained in this thread because if I recall, I came from another thread where you were talking about how Firklin was the savior of Sega essentially. C'mon buddy.
Oh and Barry, while I'm sure I have your attention, when I commented that your xbl avatar looked like he was raped by Samba, I meant that in a positive manner (I also meant Amigo). My friends were asking why I didn't have the Ryo Hazuki jacket and I was like "Well I can't, Barry's got that. See?" And then you were wearing the Sega shirt with the Amigo hat and then HOLY SHIT A GRILL POPPED OUT I mean I was like whoa.
ON TOPIC: I don't remember what the topic was. Nothing came of the Bayonetta rumor eh? *shrug* As far as the Shining series go, the fruity lovey ones are actually probably more appealing to me than the original stuff, as much as I hate to admit it. I take it there are no English versions of this stuff?
-
Fluffy, it is a big deal that you constantly bring up your sexuality ... No one cares and I doubt anyone here hates homosexuals, but you bring it up all the damn time.
Notice how no one else mentions their sexuality and if they do it is just a rare joke and even then it is so mild no one remembers it after a day?
Please find me some recent posts where I go on and on about my sexual life. Seriously, look through my post history right now, if you want (http://http://www.segabits.com/forums/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=122). The closest you'll get is when I got grossed out by one of George's posts (http://http://www.segabits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40&p=16256#p16256) and reminded him that we weren't talking about sex, or when you guys bring the topic up (http://http://www.segabits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=349&start=90) or ask me questions about it.
The majority of my posts aren't about discussing my sexuality. :P You're imagining things.
I only complained in this thread because if I recall, I came from another thread where you were talking about how Firklin was the savior of Sega essentially.
Trust me, you've been obsessed with me for a longer period of time than you may realize. (http://http://www.segabits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=368&start=10)
-
What the fudge? We are going way out of topic, seriously.
-
What the fudge? We are going way out of topic, seriously.
Yeah, we best move on before Fluffy claims all of the attention to the site for himself, clearly his master plan! Move it to PMs and IMs, guys!
On topic of the newest Shining games: I almost bought a PlayStation 2 a second time when I heard Shining Force Neo was coming out, then I saw the game. LOL
-
I'm gonna be playing Shining Force EXA this week, now that my contract work is ending and I'll have more free time on my hands.
-
Just gonna lock this topic for now.
Another mod / admin can unlock it when they feel like it, but I think everyone just needs to cool off for a while.