Why the Dream failed, Famitsu article

[ROJM]

Yeah that's classic IP that people will want to pay for in the future for classic downloads like they do now for Mega Drive games Ect.

Yet those games are the ones that ARE selling. Stop being silly and get with the times..

Yes because everything that the PC Eng seemed to do well shooters and Arcade ports . To me the Mega Drive did that much  better . I did own a PC Eng , but hardly ever played the system and liked the Mega Drive far more .

Than you agree with me a footnote in history. So why argue with it for then...

It started many trends - It was the 1st conole  system to offer CD Rom medium, when most were looking to Carts or even Floopy's . It was the 1st system to offer 4 player games, the 1st to offer rumble and it started the trend in the UK for imports and played a massive part in many people in the UK not only importing , but also setting up their own Import shops .

Yes that's like saying the blues started the rock and roll trend and inspired bands from the rolling stones and Led Zepplin but it still doesn't get the plaudits it should get. And the rest of what you said is debatable.

I'm not a fan of the system, but for such a small understated console is sure as hell made a impact and packed a punch.

I agree but it hardly changed the bigger world which is what im saying

SEGA Japan doesn't do it or it does it in trips and drabs (ie VF 5 on the PS3 1st and then a year latter onthe 360) . Multi formate games need to be out on all the major systems on day one .

Sega did that and it failed. Sega traditionally never did MFP games so i don't know why you keep insisting that they do when they tried several times in several generations and FAILED! Move on its over now..

It's showed with Binary Domain that it can - Only it came years too late and it had no push from SEGA at all . SEGA Japan really should make Binary Domain II , Sonic PSO II are for the next gen and multi format from day one . There's no doubt still some talent left in the group and Sammy should start to put some of that to use or we'll just see SEGA Japan become even more irrelevant than it already is

BD flopped. So did some other big gun games from Sega only BAYONETTA didn't and that got turned over to nintendo and an exclusive. So no it doesn't work. Sega big money is coming from exclusives. Either from their mobile games to handhelds to their PC titles. it sure isn't coming from MP. And you can call Sega irrelevant all you like it sure wasn't irrevavent when it beat people to the punch in buying Atlus or even Relic which were are considered good purchases.
 

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Yet those games are the ones that ARE selling

Its not classic IP and these days SEGA is making loads on its classic collections and XBL and PSN downloads  but that's on the back of old IP. It's current IP is limited and lacks appeal .

And the rest of what you said is debatable

Its fact and the machine had a big impact on the console scene.

but it hardly changed the bigger world which is what im saying

Not many console do . Hardly anyone remembers the Odssey and that was a true 1st in the console gaming  Nobody knows much or cares about the Fairchild -the worlds 1st console that used Carts .

Sega did that and it failed

Sign No they never . Sonic isn't multi platform, Yakuza has never been multi Platform, PSO II isn't multi platform , Valkyria wasn't multi platform . Its hit and miss with SEGA Japan if a game is multi Platform much less make it to the West these days .

BD flopped.

Way to miss the point . Its showed SEGA Japan is more than capable of making IP that could work inthe West . Shame it had no push and was launched late in a system life - A killer time to launch any new IP .

Sega big money is coming from exclusives. Either from their mobile games to handhelds to their PC titles. it

And that's why next to nobody cares about SEGA Japan anymore and games like Football Manager would do well no matter who owned Sports Inter . Some of SEGA best sellers on consoles all happen to be Multi Platform titles and I bet CA Alien game will sell thanks to being made with the west in mind and multi Platform - Take note SOJ

Sega irrelevant all you like it sure wasn't irrevavent when it beat people to the punch in buying Atlus or even Relic which were are considered good purchases.

Yes I always seem to remember you talking about the likes of Atlus . Most people after hearing the new of the Atlus buyout by SEGA joked that will be the end of them . SEGA stock in the gaming community is so low

















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Its not classic IP and these days SEGA is making loads on its classic
collections and XBL and PSN downloads  but that's on the back of old IP.
It's current IP is limited and lacks appeal .

They're making money of them because they are old titles and own the game code. But Sega is making millions off of the new digital games alone. That's a fact. Its IP is limited because you don't know the extent of their digital games which are mostly available in japan and asia and never been released outside of japan.

Its fact and the machine had a big impact on the console scene.

Yes the japanese one.

Not many console do . Hardly anyone remembers the Odssey and that was a true 1st
in the console gaming  Nobody knows much or cares about the Fairchild -the
worlds 1st console that used Carts .

Point proven nothing more than a footnote. It didn't go beyond anything else apart from being the first.

Sign No they never . Sonic isn't multi platform, Yakuza has never been multi
Platform, PSO II isn't multi platform , Valkyria wasn't multi platform . Its hit
and miss with SEGA Japan if a game is multi Platform much less make it to the
West these days .

PSO 2 been avilable on PC and handheld and digital format. Sonic has been MP several times and YAKUZA last i checked was on PS3 and 4 and vita. can't get MP than that can you..

Way to miss the point . Its showed SEGA Japan is more than capable of making
IP that could work inthe West . Shame it had no push and was launched late in a
system life - A killer time to launch any new IP .

Sega ran out of money that's why it didn't get pushed. it was quite a turbulant period actually. But i didn't miss the point since you keep banging on about it all the time.

And that's why next to nobody cares about SEGA Japan anymore and games like
Football Manager would do well no matter who owned Sports Inter . Some of SEGA
best sellers on consoles all happen to be Multi Platform titles and I bet CA
Alien game will sell thanks to being made with the west in mind and multi
Platform - Take note SOJ

In the west no one cares about Sega whether they made good games or not, whether it was MP or not and that was due to zealots bashing Sega at every turn during the early to mid noughties. it had nothing to do with whether sega was MP or not it was down to the name sega.

FB has seen exceptional growth so i very much doubt they could acheive that if Sega wasn't involved. not even the original Champions Manager(or whatever it was called) had sales like that

Yes I always seem to remember you talking about the likes of Atlus . Most people
after hearing the new of the Atlus buyout by SEGA joked that will be the end of
them . SEGA stock in the gaming community is so low

What the bitter nintendo fans who was shocked when they found out Sega acompany they thought was dead brought out Atlas? Yes we should ALWAYS listen to the opinions of the ignorant internet fans...

[Team Andromeda]

They're making money of them because they are old titles and own the game code

Yes but they're games people want to still play and games that bring back happy memories . SEGA Japan current line up isn't a patch on that and that's an issue.

Yes the japanese one

It came out in the USA too not that matters.

It didn't go beyond anything else apart from being the first

Being a true 1st makes sure your name will be in the history books

PSO 2 been avilable on PC and handheld and digital format.

That is not multi format . Look at the likes of Ubisoft big IP  not only do they come the PC , but also the 360,PS3, XBox 1 and PS4 now that's multi .

Sonic has been MP several times

4 times I can't see that and its hit and miss with Sonic . Sonic Colours wasn't multi , neither is the current Sonic .

YAKUZA last i checked was on PS3 and 4 and vita.

Lame mate . The likes of Assassin's Creed came out on the 360,PS3,Vita, XBox One, PS 4 and PC now that's multi and that's how you get sales of 8 million plus . Yakuza is franchise that can't break out of the 700,000 barrier and with each new entry is starting to see a decline in sales . 

Sega ran out of money that's why it didn't get pushed

Rubbish .

In the west no one cares about Sega whether they made good games or not, whether it was MP or not and that was due to zealots bashing Sega at every turn during the early to mid noughties

People liked SEGA in the 1990's SEGA Japan had respect . SEGA also had a lot on good will on the PS2, Cube and XBox . Since then and since the Sammy Takeover its all been downhill

FB has seen exceptional growth so i very much doubt they could acheive that if Sega wasn't involved

The title always sold well . CM 4 for example smashed all records for PC games sales in its 1st week 

What the bitter nintendo fans who was shocked when they found out Sega acompany they thought was dead brought out Atlas?

No just about every gaming forum on the internet with out a SEGA bias

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Yes but they're games people want to still play and games that bring back happy memories . SEGA Japan current line up isn't a patch on that and that's an issue.

Absolute tosh. Sega has always created new game series at the expense of older estabilshed ones. Each generation of Sega gamer has had their favourite series. That's all thats happening. The new games are making the money MORE than another MD rehash.

It came out in the USA too not that matters.

Just released actually...

Being a true 1st makes sure your name will be in the history books

Sega's been there and done that. Didn't help them in the long run now did it?

That is not multi format . Look at the likes of Ubisoft big IP  not only do they come the PC , but also the 360,PS3, XBox 1 and PS4 now that's multi .

It is actually. multi format. different systems.

4 times I can't see that and its hit and miss with Sonic . Sonic Colours wasn't multi , neither is the current Sonic .

Sonic Colors was on Handheld and Wii...multi format...

Yakuza is franchise that can't break out of the 700,000 barrier and with each new entry is starting to see a decline in sales . 

The spin offs not the main series....

Rubbish .

True actually.

People liked SEGA in the 1990's SEGA Japan had respect . SEGA also had a lot on good will on the PS2, Cube and XBox . Since then and since the Sammy Takeover its all been downhill

SOJ didn't have respect in the nineties it was over an by nintendo zealots and than Sony zealots who kept bad mouthing Sega at every turn because of the way thew games looked and the system it was on. Sega only got real respect after the DC era ended. Not during or before. Only in the arcades was there a bit but even then when the stupid home gamers started invading the arcades it was the same bollocks about sega sucks.

The title always sold well . CM 4 for example smashed all records for PC games sales in its 1st week 

Not compared to the sales FBM is getting. For a new franchise that has grown so quickly that is very good.

No just about every gaming forum on the internet with out a SEGA bias

Not really.

[Team Andromeda]

Sega has always created new game series at the expense of older estabilshed ones.

Really ?. What SEGA 'Japan' games have people on here enjoyed playing the last year and is looking forward to playing for the next year ?

Just released actually..

? It was out for years .

Didn't help them in the long run now did it?

Well people like you keep on about it . It gets your name in history books

It is actually. multi format. different systems

Don't be silly . Think like that SEGA and Nintendo are Multi platform developers since they supported both their home and Handheld consoles .

Sonic Colors was on Handheld and Wii.

That isn't multi platform and you know it .

The spin offs not the main series

No on of the PS3 Yakuza's have sold post 700,000 figure since Yakzua 3  and the last one saw some of the weakest sales for a new Yakuza game . The series has been milked to death and is starting to see decline in sales .

True actually

SEGA don't have enough money to publish a game, utter rubbish  ? . The only reason SOJ aren't publishing the game is because they'll think it will flop and aren't ready to fund Platinum games at their expense.


One of their better calls of late .

SOJ didn't have respect in the nineties it was over an by nintendo zealots

What people didn't respect the likes of VF and Sonic in the 90's, the likes of Sega Rally , Saga, JSR, Mega Mix, Shenmue and the likes in the late 90's , Didn't respect the likes of Monkeyball, PSO, Virtual Tennis , VF 4, Orta, JSRF, REZ early in the new millenium ?


SEGA might not have enjoyed the best sales, but it had respect from the gaming forums and quite a bit of the press - all that is gone now . Funny too you seemed to like Nintendo not so long ago .

Not compared to the sales FBM is getting.

Its not a new franchise just a new name . The fans of the series know the score and the deal . And its always broke new records with each new entry 

Not really.

Most of the gaming forums now like to take the piss out of anything SEGA . Not just the usual ones, but the ones that liked SEGA a lot .


 

[ROJM]

Really ?. What SEGA 'Japan' games have people on here enjoyed playing the last
year and is looking forward to playing for the next year ?

What are you talking about. Please stop being stupid. You know..well actually you dont do you? Sega has always made new games att he expense of older games or series. That much hasn't changed. The difference between now and then was back then, most of those games were released in the west..while the newer games are just being released in asia and Japan. It doesn't mean it counts becaue the west didn't get to play these games. That's arogance for you..

? It was out for years .

Not years.

Well people like you keep on about it . It gets your name in history books

People like me and you are not the majority.

Don't be silly . Think like that SEGA and Nintendo are Multi platform
developers since they supported both their home and Handheld consoles .

They were in a way. That's why you have people like Sony continuing that trend.

That isn't multi platform and you know it .

It is. Different formats by the same maker or not doesn't matter.

No on of the PS3 Yakuza's have sold post 700,000 figure since Yakzua 3  and
the last one saw some of the weakest sales for a new Yakuza game . The series
has been milked to death and is starting to see decline in sales .

Which YAKUZA game was that ISHIN? Of course but it sold higher than KENZEN and lower than THE END. Again its down to the point that its a spin off not a main title...

SEGA don't have enough money to publish a game, utter rubbish  ? . The only
reason SOJ aren't publishing the game is because they'll think it will flop and
aren't ready to fund Platinum games at their expense.

They canned it with several other titles at the same time. That is a fact. If Sega had no faith in the IP they wouldn't have made the deal with Nintendo to make it happen and certainly Nintendo wouldn't have taken it.

What people didn't respect the likes of VF and Sonic in the 90's, the likes
of Sega Rally , Saga, JSR, Mega Mix, Shenmue and the likes in the late 90's ,
Didn't respect the likes of Monkeyball, PSO, Virtual Tennis , VF 4, Orta, JSRF,
REZ early in the new millenium ?

Plenty since they were bashing Sega because they were Sega and not a PSX system.

SEGA might not have enjoyed the best sales, but it had respect from the gaming
forums and quite a bit of the press - all that is gone now . Funny too you
seemed to like Nintendo not so long ago .

Against the corporate monkeys like Sony and Microsoft yeah..i always support the little guy in that regard.And no Sega didn't have any respect in the gaming forums outside of sega game forums...

Its not a new franchise just a new name

Its a new franchise for Sega that's doing well..

Most of the gaming forums now like to take the piss out of anything SEGA . Not
just the usual ones, but the ones that liked SEGA a lot .

They were doing that from day one...