Capcom is allowing "Hostile Takeover" Buyout

[inthesky]

There's plenty , but Capcom is too big for SEGA to take over - Not in terms of money (SEGA Sammy got the money) , but in terms of Capcom staffing levels

would be interested in your thoughts on both things: why it'd be good for SEGA to take over Capcom (whatever resulting form that is) and the problem Capcom staffing level presents to a potential merger or acquisition

[ROJM]

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That would cost a fortune and upset the staff left, SEGA just spent a fortune on it's own restructuring  . Plus given SOJ lame output of late its not like SEGA Japan could take on the work load or handle Capcom IP any better imo.





You name a SEGA game that sold 4 million copies to equal that of MH III, never mind RE 6 5 million plus sales . There isn't any

Yawn Segasammy gets that type of sales across the board down to their many ips and game mediums and assets. That's the point you are missing. You're living in the past. The companies making money in japan are the companies that have merged. Capcom isn't because its one of the few big solo companies left.Video games by itself isn't enough to sustain a company anymore especially the size of capcom.That's why the shareholders want a takeover to happen. 

[ROJM]

would be interested in your thoughts on both things: why it'd be good for SEGA to take over Capcom (whatever resulting form that is) and the problem Capcom staffing level presents to a potential merger or acquisition

Like any company take over it will cause problems. But every other company does it regardless when placed in this type of situation. It won't be any different if Segasammy or someone else brought capcom and got rid of half the staff. I don't know why all of a sudden it would be  problem, because of staff resentment? That's a wishy washy way to view of things. But that isn't going to stop it from happening. EA does it all the time and still didn't stop them making money. Its nonsense and deep down people know it. Business is business and they don't give a fig if the little guy gets stepped on in the pursuit of making the next big deal. And in japanese business culture the company is all and whatever th company does or does not do the employees accept it even if they lose their jobs, at least the company survives. We are not talking about western culture here but japanese culture and they don't have the same view or ideology of western workers have. If they did than half of japan would be on strike...

While your question is directed at TA, i will clarify my thoughts on it. I'd prefer if Capcom was not brought out by anyone and stayed solo. But i don't think they can hold on like they are at the rate they have been performing.

I would only want sega to buy them out because at least Sega may buy the company intact and won't stripmine it. And like Atlus it would become a subsidiary. That isn't guaranteed if someone else buys them out.

[inthesky]

Sure I don't mind other thoughts on the discussion. I'm sort of a similar mind, I'm not excited about Sega buying Capcom. I'm not excited about potential layoffs because that means lower output, lower morale lower risks lower everything (minus the new building they're making) but Capcom has made a lot of tepid to failed risks.

Stuff like Deep Down, next Resident Evil and Street Fighter are the make-or-breakers I guess. Monster HUnter 4G will probably predictably solid

Can't really think too much on it since I'm watching EVO =P

[ROJM]

Sure I don't mind other thoughts on the discussion. I'm sort of a similar mind, I'm not excited about Sega buying Capcom. I'm not excited about potential layoffs because that means lower output, lower morale lower risks lower everything (minus the new building they're making) but Capcom has made a lot of tepid to failed risks.

Stuff like Deep Down, next Resident Evil and Street Fighter are the make-or-breakers I guess. Monster HUnter 4G will probably predictably solid

Can't really think too much on it since I'm watching EVO =P

Well no need to worry about it..who knows what the future holds..

[Team Andromeda]

Yawn

Is that just code for no they haven't . Simple fact is SEGA Japan got next to no million selling IP and going forward that's going to be an issue . SEGA Japan consumer division needs to up its game , the rest of the SEGA group seems in good shape tho

The companies making money in japan are the companies that have merged.

To a point, But then you have the likes of Konami, Nintendo

I'd prefer if Capcom was not brought out by anyone and stayed solo

I would too and they're not in any serious threat yet .

I would only want sega to buy them out because at least Sega may buy the company intact and won't stripmine it

SEGA would have to strip Capcom down as both their staff do much the same thing and there's too much cross over  and Capcom staff to big - They would be a ton of lay off's if SEGA were ever to take over Capcom to get the pay roll down
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[George]

Why are you separating 'SEGA' to SEGA Japan? SEGA Japan has Pachinko slots aka a 200+ billion dollar industry that they are doing well in. They had big arcade places that do well. Capcom does not.

Not only that, sadly for your argument, SEGA isn't just their Japanese branch, but their western branch. Sonic does over a million and will probably bring more income alone than Capcom alone. Sonic Boom, merchandise for it, Sony movie.

This isn't counting stuff like Foot Ball manager which broke records this year, COH2 and Total War...

The real question is, what is Capcom doing for the near future to make money?

[Team Andromeda]

Why are you separating 'SEGA' to SEGA Japan? SEGA Japan has Pachinko slots aka a 200+ billion dollar industry that they are doing well in. They had big arcade places that do well. Capcom does not.

Simple I did not become a fan of SEGA because of bloody Pachinko . I loved SEGA for their Arcade games and Consumer software and Hardware . I like XBox but have zero interests in most of MS other divisions, even if they bring in a ton of cash .

SEGA isn't just their Japanese branch, but their western branch. Sonic does over a million and will probably bring more income alone than Capcom alone. Sonic Boom, merchandise for it, Sony movie.

It used to be SEGA Japan divisions that made the games , SEGA fans loved - That's seemed to die a death, that's a worry and a issue and Sonic the Lost World did not sell a million copies . Simple fact is Monster Hunter alone sells more than Sonic, Yakuza , PSO II combined

This isn't counting stuff like Foot Ball manager which broke records this year, COH2 and Total War

And yet RE 6 sold way more than all those titles combined - and people say here that its Capcom in trouble .




 

[ROJM]

Is that just code for no they haven't . Simple fact is SEGA Japan got next to no million selling IP and going forward that's going to be an issue . SEGA Japan consumer division needs to up its game , the rest of the SEGA group seems in good shape tho

Keep with the times. Segasammy has IPs that sell across various platforms in various mediums that make millions. That's why they've been more stable than Capcom and their fast buck antics. Keep up with the times...

To a point, But then you have the likes of Konami, Nintendo

Nintendo makes games systems, they hardly in the same league as Capcom. Konami is a better example but not everyone is Konami and Capcom has proven they aren't stable.

I would too and they're not in any serious threat yet .

They're worried. When the shareholders vote against the board to protect themselves from take overs that's a clear message that the shareholders don't have faith in the management anymore. Yes they've agreed to compromise and wait for a year but Capcom can't keep dodging the bullet forever which is what they have been doing.

SEGA would have to strip Capcom down as both their staff do much the same thing and there's too much cross over  and Capcom staff to big - They would be a ton of lay off's if SEGA were ever to take over Capcom to get the pay roll down

Again no one said that wouldn't happen to an extent but don't act that isn't normal or that they would strip it to a pea. Because you are being silly.

[ROJM]

Simple I did not become a fan of SEGA because of bloody Pachinko . I loved SEGA for their Arcade games and Consumer software and Hardware . I like XBox but have zero interests in most of MS other divisions, even if they bring in a ton of cash .



It used to be SEGA Japan divisions that made the games , SEGA fans loved - That's seemed to die a death, that's a worry and a issue and Sonic the Lost World did not sell a million copies . Simple fact is Monster Hunter alone sells more than Sonic, Yakuza , PSO II combined



And yet RE 6 sold way more than all those titles combined - and people say here that its Capcom in trouble .




 

Sign how sad...one is clearly living in the past.

Why are you separating 'SEGA' to SEGA Japan? SEGA Japan has Pachinko slots aka a 200+ billion dollar industry that they are doing well in. They had big arcade places that do well. Capcom does not.

Not only that, sadly for your argument, SEGA isn't just their Japanese branch, but their western branch. Sonic does over a million and will probably bring more income alone than Capcom alone. Sonic Boom, merchandise for it, Sony movie.

This isn't counting stuff like Foot Ball manager which broke records this year, COH2 and Total War...

The real question is, what is Capcom doing for the near future to make money?

There's no point arguing with him since TA is right about everything. Regardless that business sites have said down the years that Capcom is an unstable company and that the recent information came out directly from Capcom. It doesn't mater because the world goes by what ta thinks.

And your right. George. Segasammy is a panchinko company. That makes millions of dollars. Segasammy is a electronic toys company...which is the leader in its field and makes millions of dollars. Segasammy is a..theme park arcade operator across japan and the world..which makes millions of dollars...Segasammy is an animation company in various fields...they all make millions of dollars...Sega sammy is a digital content provider...that makes millions of dollars...etc etc etc

Capcom doesn't have ANY of that and that's why they are failing. A company the size of Capcom has very little assets that are worth anything and that's the problem. Their games aren't enough just to sustain the company and their games had spotty sales for a while now. TA accuses Nagoshi of living in the past but its obvious that he's also living in the past expecting the realities of gaming in japan during the early nineties is going to be the same for the 21s century. It isn't and never will be. Segasammy makes more money and is more stable. Its about time some people around here dealt with that fact...
 

[Team Andromeda]

Keep with the times. Segasammy has IPs that sell across various platforms in various mediums that make millions.

Name these titles then  . Its getting to the stage that Sammy doesn't really need SEGA consumer divisions.

Nintendo makes games systems

Yep the costliest part of the business and yet NCL is still independent and has tons of cash in the bank

Again no one said that wouldn't happen to an extent but don't act that isn't normal or that they would strip it to a pe

Sammy just had one major shake up with SEGA , it not keep all of Capcom's 2000 odd staff -when most of the staff doe the exact same jobs , SEGA employees do .

There's no point arguing with him since TA is right about everything. Regardless that business sites have said down the years that Capcom is an unstable company and that the recent information came out directly from Capcom.

Show it then . Capcom hasn't posted a loss and is not in any serious trouble , the fact that is open to take overs is just the price one pays for being a Public corp .

Segasammy is a panchinko company. That makes millions of dollars. Segasammy is a electronic toys company...which is the leader in its field and makes millions of dollars. Segasammy is a..theme park arcade operator across japan and the world..which makes millions of dollars...Segasammy is an animation company in various fields...they all make millions of dollars...Sega sammy is a digital content provider...that makes millions of dollars...etc etc etc

Yes now Sammy has SEGA's 500 odd Arcade centres and shops its more than happy . It could quite easily get rid of the consumer side and still make millions . Panchinko corps killed SNK and the likes of Technsoft and Sammy is fast killing SEGA Japan imo

A company the size of Capcom has very little assets that are worth anything and that's the problem.

It has million selling IP (SEGA Japan doesn't) . - Which is why the likes of Nintendo MS and SONY are more than pleased to have them on board and will do various deals to keep Capcom sweet .

TA accuses Nagoshi of living in the past

The man is and is part of the trouble .






 






 

[ROJM]

Yes now Sammy has SEGA's 500 odd Arcade centres and shops its more than happy . It could quite easily get rid of the consumer side and still make millions . Panchinko corps killed SNK and the likes of Technsoft and Sammy is fast killing SEGA Japan imo

You just said Segasammy isn't making millions. And now you just admitted that they are. So you're basically trolling for the sake of it...

They're making millions in everything they are involved in,games, pachinko,toys,television,cinema merchandise, amusement centres, theme parks, etc etc

Capcom has just their games and a whole lot of dead weight and their games are losing ground.  That is a fact. Accept it and stop fighting the truth...

And you've been shown the reports and you still kept trying to make an argument about it so there really isn't a point. Time will tell that were right and you were wrong...

[Team Andromeda]

You just said Segasammy isn't making millions.

Where ? . I'm on about the consumer side of SEGA Japan.

Capcom has just their games and a whole lot of dead weight and their games are losing ground

Losing ground ?., RE 6 sold 6 million odd copies, Monster Hunter 4 has sold more than 4 million copies , Dead Rising sold over 1 million copies.

[ROJM]

Where ? . I'm on about the consumer side of SEGA Japan.

Nice try, nobody here isn't.

Losing ground ?., RE 6 sold 6 million odd copies, Monster Hunter 4 has sold more than 4 million copies , Dead Rising sold over 1 million copies.

Yet Sega is in  a position to buy Capcom outright but Capcom couldn't do the same... which you even admitted....yes Capcom is really doing well...LOL....

[George]

I agree, it does suck that SEGA Japan hasn't produced any huge hits as of late. I agree with TA in that aspect, but this thread isn't about what games we like or dislike, because if it was then: RE6 is shit, Monster Hunter has painful gameplay and Dead Rising is meh.

I much rather play Binary Domain, Rhythm Thief etc. That's just me. I think Capcom is a shadow of its former self and one of the reasons (same as SEGA Japan suffers) their big talents have all left. Why do you think that kickstarter for Might No.9 is up? Why is it being funded? Because Capcom refuses to listen to fans are doing the whole 'we know better than you' attitude, but they don't.

I think SEGA is having this disconnect, especially in the west and especially after Binary Domain bombed (which was mostly due to the nature of the game/advertising).

That being SEGA is killing it in the mobile market, they have some of the top games on mobile platforms. How much money for ads do you think something like Sonic Dash makes? 65 million downloads is nothign to laugh at:
http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?513038-Sonic-Dash-surpassed-cumulative-65-million-downloads

Not even stopping at that: They also have Puyo Puyo, the new Sonic Jump Fever and other mobile games that will do very well.

SEGA like, ROJM says, is in a better position and are actually making big headway in the PC market which is growing. Not to mention they have guaranteed franchises that will bring in cash from big western developers like Creative Assembly, Sports Interactive and Relic.

Capcom doesn't have a western branch, their Resident Evil license movies are coming to an end. Really, doesn't look great for that franchise and the fact that its dipping in quality ever since Shinji Mikami left isn't a good sign. The worse sign? That he is working on a horror IP with Bethesda, if those guys could sell Fallout 3 to a new audience, they'll have no issues selling a new IP.