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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #480 on: July 03, 2010, 03:12:46 pm »
And Paraguai is going home in 5 minutes, unless they get an equalizer.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #481 on: July 03, 2010, 03:19:37 pm »
Paraguay is out, now Uruguay is the last hope for south americans...
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #482 on: July 03, 2010, 03:39:11 pm »
Uruguay Fucile Alvaro Pereira Yeah!
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #483 on: July 03, 2010, 08:47:39 pm »


The Official Football Thread of Perverted Goalkeeper Girlfriends.

(because nobody wants Queiroz out anyway ;_;)
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #484 on: July 03, 2010, 10:11:05 pm »
SUAREZ IS A FUCKING HERO

I don't get this. I've just read some comments in a BBC blog that really enraged me deeply.
People are actually complaining that Suarez cheated. What. The. Fuck. How is it cheating? He sacrificed himself to give his country the slightest of chances of going through, and they did it!
I saw people commenting that there should be a rule to award the goal anyway. What?
The day they do that and start stopping the clock to stare at televisions, is the day football dies.
I can understand using stuff to confirm if the ball went all in or not. Hell, if they can make it so that no time is wasted, even using instant replays for offsides would be nice (NOT to check for handballs and fouls. Getting away with it is part of the game, risking it all for the slightest of chances of success).
The beauty of football is that it's not just a game. It's all about companionship, dedication, honor, being human, taking huge risks and getting ultimate rewards.
What he did is in the rulebook. It is rewarded with a red card and a penalty, which it was. It PISSES ME OFF that douches say he was cheating. He's a freaking hero. As much as I liked Ghana, go fuck yourselves with vuvuzelas, you should have scored that penalty Gyan.

I want Uruguay - Germany.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #485 on: July 04, 2010, 05:22:40 am »
Well he did cheat, and he was sent off for that. What if Ghana had scored the penalty?  Oh wow.

EDIT- Cristiano Ronaldo is a dad now. LOLOHLORD
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #486 on: July 04, 2010, 09:02:13 am »
Suarez  is a hero to his people, but you cannot deny he did not cheat.

Or else Henry isn't a cheater since he handballed to save his country, neither is Maradona, neither is Rooney for diving to earn a penalty. The fact of the matter is, he cheated.

To you, he might not be, but if a Greece player scored a handball goal in the final against Portugal, or if they stop a dead on goal and then Portugal missed the ensuring penalty and then knocked out because they could not win in penalty knockout, how would you feel?

I am sure you would liabling the cheater a cheat, rightly so. He broke the rules of the game and was punished, it does not change the fact he cheated. If a man stole from you but was punished, it does not change the fact he was a thief.

Fuck Uruguay and fuck Germany too, let's have the championless champions final, Dutch vs Spain (Most likely going to be a Holland vs Germany final though)
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #487 on: July 04, 2010, 12:01:32 pm »
I would feel like shit, but it's not "cheating" per say.
Is it unfair? Well, that's debatable. But it's IN THE RULES: you do it, you get a red card and other team gets a penalty. It's not cheating. He did not went around the rules. The rules punish this action.
Also, I cannot see how your 'thief' analogy works out here.. He didn't steal anything, and that doesn't compare really to cheating :/

You could say that Maradona and Henry cheated, since they didn't get punished. They (at least indirectly) went behind the rules and did something they weren't punished for.
But Suarez was! He knew what was going to happen. He did not cheat. He did an illegal move to prevent the goal, which works out ok 1 every 1000 times.

I can remember Abel Xavier doing the same thing in Euro 2000 against France. We lost because of the following penalty and had to play the rest of the game with 10 man. He took the risk, he didn't get the reward. He also did not cheat.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #488 on: July 04, 2010, 12:19:22 pm »
Quote from: "crackdude"
I would feel like shit, but it's not "cheating" per say.
Is it unfair? Well, that's debatable. But it's IN THE RULES: you do it, you get a red card and other team gets a penalty. It's not cheating. He did not went around the rules. The rules punish this action.

What in Earth's good name are you even arguing about, do not take this the wrong way, but what do you think cheating means? For me it's the following...

"Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others, Cheating implies the breaking of rules."

He broke the rules because the rules state NO USE of your hands. The rules do not state outfielded players are allowed to use your hands but must be red carded, no where is this ever stated. That punishment exists so no one breaks the rules, he broke the rule, breaking the rules make you a cheat. How can you argue any other way?

Just because you were caught in the act does not mean you were not cheating, it just means you were caught.

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Also, I cannot see how your 'thief' analogy works out here.. He didn't steal anything, and that doesn't compare really to cheating :/

You just destroyed the hopes of a billion or so people who were all almost behind just one country. Some can say it was even worse.

And the thief analogy works fine because you say as long as someone gets punished, he is not x, he is still x, he just happened to be caught doing it.

Now you are saying he did an illegal move, an illegal move is considered cheating. If I fitted my car out with nitro in a race that was strictly nitro free, and won it, you would say it was an illegal move, which IS cheating.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #489 on: July 04, 2010, 02:51:18 pm »
Stop trying to compare this to life situations, I fail to see how it compares lol
If you could add nitrous for the expense of the other racer starting the race 20 seconds before you it could be something to ponder about.

That's what happened.
The way the rules are made, he traded his participation in the next match and a penalty for Ghana's goal.
Theoretically, most of the time that is a good thing cause (1) the goal isn't scored in the last second (leaving the opposing team with one less player for the rest of the match) and (2) the penalty taker isn't an idiot and shoots it high.

The advantage is theoretically on Ghana's side. It wasn't due to before mentioned circumstances. Well, that's too bad for them.

Suarez did what he had to do. In fact, even Fucile tries to do the same thing but he fails.
But what I think is really stupid is the dumbasses on the BBC site saying that Ghana should have been awarded the goal anyway and Suarez should have gone off anyway. Now that is a fucking unfair trade-off no? What the fuck do they thinks this is? Basketball with it's gay goaltending?


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Also sorry Aki for misunderstanding some things of your original reply :P
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #490 on: July 04, 2010, 03:39:37 pm »
Quote from: "crackdude"
Stop trying to compare this to life situations, I fail to see how it compares lol

Real life has premented rules as well so the basic principles apply, there is nothing that can physically stop you from doing something, just like in a match.

We really are going to be going in circles here, I could just reuse my points against your arguments again and you can do vice versa so I guess we'll agree to disagree again and agree to agree this is a funny picture.

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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #491 on: July 04, 2010, 03:54:29 pm »
Quote from: "crackdude"
SUAREZ IS A FUCKING HERO

I don't get this. I've just read some comments in a BBC blog that really enraged me deeply.
People are actually complaining that Suarez cheated. What. The. Fuck. How is it cheating? He sacrificed himself to give his country the slightest of chances of going through, and they did it!
I saw people commenting that there should be a rule to award the goal anyway. What?
The day they do that and start stopping the clock to stare at televisions, is the day football dies.
I can understand using stuff to confirm if the ball went all in or not. Hell, if they can make it so that no time is wasted, even using instant replays for offsides would be nice (NOT to check for handballs and fouls. Getting away with it is part of the game, risking it all for the slightest of chances of success).
The beauty of football is that it's not just a game. It's all about companionship, dedication, honor, being human, taking huge risks and getting ultimate rewards.
What he did is in the rulebook. It is rewarded with a red card and a penalty, which it was. It PISSES ME OFF that douches say he was cheating. He's a freaking hero. As much as I liked Ghana, go fuck yourselves with vuvuzelas, you should have scored that penalty Gyan.

I want Uruguay - Germany.

Great post. I agree with your point of view.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Queiroz OUT!
« Reply #492 on: July 04, 2010, 06:52:33 pm »
Quote from: "Aki-at"
Quote from: "crackdude"
Stop trying to compare this to life situations, I fail to see how it compares lol

Real life has premented rules as well so the basic principles apply, there is nothing that can physically stop you from doing something, just like in a match.

We really are going to be going in circles here, I could just reuse my points against your arguments again and you can do vice versa so I guess we'll agree to disagree again and agree to agree this is a funny picture.

That indeed is a funny picture!


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Re: Football Thread of Suarez, hero or villain? YOU DECIDE!
« Reply #493 on: July 06, 2010, 01:38:14 pm »
Now let's see Uruguay trying to sruvive without Juarez. Mwahahaahhaha!
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Re: Football Thread of Suarez, hero or villain? YOU DECIDE!
« Reply #494 on: July 06, 2010, 02:11:28 pm »
GOLOOOOOOOOO FORLAN!!

This game is all about amazing goals.
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