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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #525 on: July 12, 2010, 07:07:28 am »
I give in to your opinion, crackdude.
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Re: Official Football Thread of haters gunna hate Oranje
« Reply #526 on: July 12, 2010, 07:23:51 am »
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y u mad tho

I'm not the one who got angry about a handballer rightly being accused by people of being unsporting.

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This World Cup was the one with less goals per match of all time.
The "problem" with Spain is that they completely dominate the game. They have complete dominance over the opposition every game. That is good. What it's not good is to not take advantage of it to score more goals.

Have you actually been watching any of Spain's matches? Even in the final, they had 5 glorious chances (Ramos, Villa, Fabregas and two from Puyol) yet they didn't take any of them. They've had a problem in their clinical finishing ever since Torres became crooked, this does not make them football cancer.

Again, the fact they had most shots on goal than any other team shows they tried to take advantage of it, most goal keepers were just having an excellent match against them.

And yes, this world cup has one of the least amount of goals, but that does not change the fact of what you are arguing for Spain being football cancer.

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What happens most of the time is that Spain just controls when they want to attack and just pass the ball around without much pressure. They FORCE the opponent to play defensively.

The Swiss are defensive, Portugal are mindnumbingly boring and defensive, the Germans sat there for the counter which never came because Spain defended better than all the other teams and Netherlands even made a point of interrupting their play though fouling and harassing them. These teams were not forced, it was in their game plan.

All these teams set up shop earlier on and, especially seeing the Swiss, thought they could catch Spain out and win 1-0, they couldn't, really. The teams Spain faced all played extremely defensive football.

Chillie decided to play attacking football and lo and behold, that was an exciting game.

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Don't get me wrong, this is great! ...for them. For the show it's pretty lame. That's why this final was a total snorefest.

Finals usually are snorefests. League games are were real excitements lay. Besides, did you see how Netherlands were trying to kill everyone who was not Dutch? Half of Spain's players are lucky to still be able to play football (Alonso and Ineista in particular)

And they still played better than almost everyone overall barring Brazil and Germany. The tournament was bad, but Spain was in the top three of best teams. I realize you are Portuguese and trying to make you say they played good football is the same as me saying Tottenham are a good team, but let's not go overboard with calling them football's cancer.

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I may have taken a specific statistic apart, but it also happens that that is the most important one. Few goals may not mean fewer excitement. But 1-0 wins and complete dominance over the opposition does. Sorry I just don't like to watch Spain play football, at all.

The most important one... When we are talking about winning.

You are making an accusation on their general play, where you are meant to use every single stat. Otherwise Portugal played wonderful football, which we know was just not the case.

Spain may not have dazzled like they did two years ago, but they are not football cancer and played some good football in tournament. Both attacking and defensive.
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Re: Official Football Thread of haters gunna hate Oranje
« Reply #527 on: July 12, 2010, 08:43:36 am »
I'm not going to extend myself a lot on this, cause it really is a matter of opinion. I think Spain kills every game. You might agree with that. And Spain scored very little goals, this is a fact.
For me, these two things combined make games quite lame. Spain may have most chances at goal, but that's because of their incredible dominance, not because of brilliant attacking. Whenever there's brilliant attacking there's goals. Proof of that is that Spain's goals (onside or not) were usually very good. Unfortunately, Spain did not manage to make a decent amount of them this World Cup.
In my opinion, Spain's performance this World Cup was the bare-bones to win it. And that's why I think it sucked really. Not Spain, but the show they put out.
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I may have taken a specific statistic apart, but it also happens that that is the most important one. Few goals may not mean fewer excitement. But 1-0 wins and complete dominance over the opposition does. Sorry I just don't like to watch Spain play football, at all.

The most important one... When we are talking about winning.

You are making an accusation on their general play, where you are meant to use every single stat. Otherwise Portugal played wonderful football, which we know was just not the case.

Spain may not have dazzled like they did two years ago, but they are not football cancer and played some good football in tournament. Both attacking and defensive.
I made an accusation that their play style was boring. I'm not saying it was bad for them. They did good, that's why they won. But it could have been so much more.
I don't love Uruguay because they are great technically, I loved Uruguay cause they put out several hell of games with great spirit. Spain did not have that, and the goals scored is a reflection of it in my opinion.
Spain played great football technically. But that was it.
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Re: Official Football Thread of haters gunna hate Oranje
« Reply #528 on: July 12, 2010, 11:00:04 am »
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I'm not going to extend myself a lot on this, cause it really is a matter of opinion. I think Spain kills every game. You might agree with that. And Spain scored very little goals, this is a fact.

The whole point of a football game is to kill a game to win it. Either through scoring many goals or shutting teams down as how Spain did, excellent levels of pressing and fantastic ball rotention. Spain scored very little goals, yes, fact, as well as fact they have played better than anyone else in this tournament. Facts backed up by statistics.

Also they played against four teams that shut up shop against them and yet managed a way through three of them.

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For me, these two things combined make games quite lame. Spain may have most chances at goal, but that's because of their incredible dominance, not because of brilliant attacking. Whenever there's brilliant attacking there's goals. Proof of that is that Spain's goals (onside or not) were usually very good. Unfortunately, Spain did not manage to make a decent amount of them this World Cup.

Possession football IS another form of attack, its using the ability to hold onto the ball to create space for players by drag defenders out of position, for example;

[youtube:1dhn5i8b]LIzqOJdk7Jo[/youtube:1dhn5i8b]

Why shouldn't this be considered an attacking move?

Furthermore I ask again, how many of Spain's game did you watch? Torres had plenty of chances to make them win early games, even against the Swiss, even more. There was a reason he was dropped by del Bosque.

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In my opinion, Spain's performance this World Cup was the bare-bones to win it. And that's why I think it sucked really. Not Spain, but the show they put out.

Still does not make them the cancer of football. Fact is they met four very good defenses and found a way through three of them.

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I made an accusation that their play style was boring. I'm not saying it was bad for them. They did good, that's why they won. But it could have been so much more.

If Torres was not crooked, if four teams did not play extremely defensive football, if they were more clinical, yes.

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I don't love Uruguay because they are great technically, I loved Uruguay cause they put out several hell of games with great spirit. Spain did not have that, and the goals scored is a reflection of it in my opinion.
Spain played great football technically. But that was it.

To assume Spain did not have the same level of spirit is just wrong.

Did you see how they hounded every team for the ball, how much they pressed? How much they wanted the ball? That IS spirit there. Did you see how well the back four defended? Again, spirit.

They may not have scored 11 goals like Uruguay, but their whole unit fought to make sure they never let it more than 2 in the entire tournament.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #529 on: July 12, 2010, 11:07:28 am »
I don't know if you guys checked the 'official fifa website' but it is quite cool, full of statistics and numbers in general.

Number of goals scored/taken by each team:
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics ... goals.html

Players score rating according to the 'Castrol Analysts'
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics ... nking.html
They think 'Forlan' is the 46th best player of the competition...
There are 3 paraguayans in better positions...
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #530 on: July 12, 2010, 11:21:50 am »
I saw all Spain games except for the one they lost.
I've yet to say they played horribly.

"shutting teams down as how Spain did, excellent levels of pressing and fantastic ball rotention. Spain scored very little goal, yes, fact, as well as fact they have played better than anyone else in this tournament. Facts backed up by statistics."
As I said, technically Spain played great. But in reality this kind of possessive attack made their games uninteresting to watch.
Spain's high possession game style prevents other teams from attacking fluidly. This works great for Spain but it's horrible for the game.

I don't understand how a team having the highest number of passes of the tournament and scoring so little is a good thing. It just means they spent more time passing the ball around than scoring goals. Spain had also a horrible finishing missing unbelievable goals. This is not beautiful football. Spain did not impress.
They are Barcelona without the creative impulses of Messi and Henry and the scoring finishing of Etoo.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #531 on: July 12, 2010, 11:27:26 am »
Also, my lunch:




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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #532 on: July 12, 2010, 11:38:25 am »
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As I said, technically Spain played great. But in reality this kind of possessive attack made their games uninteresting to watch.
Spain's high possession game style prevents other teams from attacking fluidly. This works great for Spain but it's horrible for the game.

And how did Mourinho win, hmmm? He actually pressed Barcelona for the ball as much as Barcelona did against other teams. Did you see the Dutch, Germans or Portugal press Spain for the ball, no, you didn't. It's not Spain's fault the other teams decided to play organized defences that made the game boring. Not Spain's possession football.

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I don't understand how a team having the highest number of passes of the tournament and scoring so little is a good thing. It just means they spent more time passing the ball around than scoring goals. Spain had also a horrible finishing missing unbelievable goals. This is not beautiful football. Spain did not impress.

Spain did impress compared to everyone else, the World Cup was poor, yes, but Spain did better than every team out there in everything except scoring goals, because they played teams who decided playing 2 defensive midfielders would be a good idea to strifle them. Chelsea did the exact same thing to Barcelona two seasons ago and it did not work.

Again, discrediting a fact like that means very little, the first time Uruguay came up against two good defences, they fell apart, even Ghana made them struggle. Spain had to play teams that all decided to play extremely defensive football, when this occurs they will not be able to score many goals.

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They are Barcelona without the creative impulses of Messi and Henry and the scoring finishing of Etoo.

Henry has not started a game for Barcelona in a long time and Eto'o has been gone for a year. And Barcelona still play fantastic football because they do not play against teams that shut up shop. When they do what happens? Oh yes that newbie team beat them at the Nou Camp last season.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #533 on: July 12, 2010, 12:41:39 pm »


Quote from: "Francesc Fabregas"
“All I can say is that this (World Cup victory) is for all the Arsenal players and fans, they are a world-class club. I am an Arsenal player and proud to be.”

We love you too Cesc!
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #534 on: July 13, 2010, 06:06:16 am »
[youtube:1pjoyou1]C36LisjvNuA[/youtube:1pjoyou1]

FFFFFFFFF

Do it Mourinho, make them suffer, you're doing Arsene's work!
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #535 on: July 27, 2010, 01:35:08 pm »
I declare the 2010/2011 season open with a penalty.

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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #536 on: July 27, 2010, 07:57:58 pm »
Yeah, new season!

Benfica's goalkeeper makes me rofl!
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #537 on: July 28, 2010, 04:43:16 pm »
Arsenal's been doing well in preseason friendlies, still need another defender and goalkeeper if we want to seriously challenge for honours...

Also L O L at Barcelona posting 77 million Euros loss last financial year or something.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #538 on: July 28, 2010, 06:48:01 pm »
Braga 3 - 0 Celtic

Good to see Braga starting the Season with a very positive result.
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Re: Official Football Thread of Fabregas wins World Cup
« Reply #539 on: July 28, 2010, 07:27:26 pm »
I thought it was funny when Aki told me Celtic is in the same level of English Championship teams.

If Braga end up in the same group as Arsenal... I'll be there. :afroman:
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