2016 U.S. Presidential Election

[George]

^ lol this is what I'm talking about. Koch brothers are smiling that their propaganda is working just fine. Go and vote for your sold out politician that will continue to waste tax dollars on the rich and welfare queens like Walmart. God forbid that tax dollars paid go back to the American people.

You still didn't talk about if you think we should cut all socialist programs. Do you?

Instead of using outdated data and getting images from Conservative facebook pages, why not educate yourself and come up with your own opinion on his plan?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

(My last job I worked for a healthcare insurance company and trust me, if you think the system we have in America is great, lol)

[pcm92]

The citizens of Canada are coming to the U.S. for doctor visits. This is because there is a universal health care system in Canada. It doesn't work. Let's say you have a terminal illness and you will die in 3 days. The hospital would add you to a waiting list, which would take about 5 days. In that case you would be doomed. Both Democratic candidates have supported universal health care. As far as your tax question, I think  Sanders has the worst by far. He plans to raise taxes by 34%. So we would be paying for almost half of what we make in a year. His idea is that the minimum wage for the entire country should be $12 an hour and he wants to make it illegal to not hire people. How can that work? Wouldn't that just close down all businesses? No company can afford that. It's impossible.

[George]

Really? That's a lie

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

Come on.

Facts are we spend more, get less and the only people profiting from our system are drug companies and insurance companies. But hey, Fox News said Canada's healthcare system is terrible.

[pcm92]

http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/4429892

^Liberal news website.^

The link you have is from the Canadian AARP. That's like going to Walmart and asking if they are better than Publix.

[JRcade19]

The link you have is from the Canadian AARP. That's like going to Walmart and asking if they are better than Publix.

Aaron E. Carroll, M.D., the director of the Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research in Indianapolis, identified the top myths about the two health care systems.

Perhaps you should take a look at that map again.

That being said 2 things.

The Scandinavian countries are not "socialist". The prime minister of Denmark has repeatedly lauded this. In fact, in more ways than one, they are even more capitalistic than the United States. They have expansive welfare systems that much is true, but that does not qualify them for socialist alone.

Secondly, Universal Healthcare does not suffer from wait times because Universal Healthcare. My Father pays for his own insurance and has his own doctor, but still is a month long waiting list to see her. In addition, the Canadians made a conscious decision to only spend so much on healthcare. If you compare it to say, France, you'll see that the French health system by comparison is much better prepared to deal with greater influx of patients.

The simple fact is that if you have more patients than doctors/specialists, there will be waiting lists regardless of whether you have Universal healthcare or not. It's simple supply and demand. The difference is that in a Universal system, you'll eventually get treated, whether you can afford it or not. Each system "rations" healthcare if you want to put it bluntly.

[pcm92]

Ok, but do you two really think that Bernie Sanders will be your party's nominee?

[JRcade19]

What I think in this matter is mostly irrelevant. I was just answering what I perceived to be a malformed response.

If you want my answer though, then it would be no in all likelyhood.

[pcm92]

You think I'm misinformed about healthcare? Come on. You can't seriously tell me that Obama care is a good thing.

http://humanevents.com/2009/07/28/6-reasons-obamacare-is-bad-medicine/

Obama care is the reason people are having a difficult time finding jobs in the medical field. People in other fields of work are being laid off of work, including myself. I know Obama care is not universal, but it has the tendency to evolve into that. It's exactly what he wants. The president could have done so much better than this and you are blind if you don't see that.

[JRcade19]

I'm not defending Obamacare
I'm defending Universal Healthcare. IMO, Obamacare didn't go far enough to fix the system. We can't have half solutions. It needs to be in or out.

That article you posted just keeps sending out the same talking points the last one threw out. Healthcare isn't anymore "rationed" in a Universal system than it is in a market driven system, ala supply and demand. Even countries with actual Single payer systems still have private hospitals and such one can attend, it is still billed the same either way by the Government, regardless of rate.

The 5th point is fearmongering, as UHC/SP systems favor the more immediate cases over the time treatable one. Military isn't that different in such an aspect. If they are given a choice to save a life vs you moaning, they'll deal with you moaning about waiting if they can save the critically injured life.

This isn't even counting that insurance companies and hospitals have actually seen profits rise after the passing of the ACA, but again, the ACA is only a starting point.

[George]

I think this country will be better with Bernie than Hillary. I personally think that Hillary Clinton is too war hawkish, the last thing we need is to create more terror. I also believe the biggest thing facing the American political system is money in politics which Clintons have benefited the most from.

Do I think he will win? Probably  not, the whole establishment is against him and Clinton has a bigger brand name.

Regardless if you are a liberal or conservative, we can all benefit as citizens by banning corporate money from politics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQIjAv-LM7s

As for Obamacare, the insurance company seems to be doing very well with it (surprised?): http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2013/10/biggest-winners-in-obamacare-the-health-insurance-companies-very-progressive/

Surely you don't think healthcare should be a business?

Unlike you pcm92, I don't based my thoughts around what Republicans or Democrats tell me.

[max_cady]

I watched the entire Republican debate with Kasich, Trump, Rubio and Cruz and here are a few thoughts:

- The less candidates there are, the weaker Trump becomes, because he no longer has Jeb Bush to knock around;
- Trump's explanation about Trump University was lame as f***;
- Marco Rubio came out surprisingly strong against Trump;
- Cruz came out as the strongest in the overall debate;
- Why the heck is Kasich up there?

[Tad]

People do know Trump has literally lost money in everything he's started, right? The money he has comes from his dad.

[Mengels7]

People do know Trump has literally lost money in everything he's started, right? The money he has comes from his dad.

His net worth in 2015 was $4 billion. He didn't inherit $4 billion from his dad.

[Tad]

His net worth in 2015 was $4 billion. He didn't inherit $4 billion from his dad.

No. He kept doing what his dad did to get the money. Anything he's created though has flopped: https://youtu.be/TGc2nN9OguQ

[George]

Trump got a lot of his money from screwing people over, its business. How it works. If you don't think for a second he would abuse his power to make more money for business Trump, you are in denial. That is why his clothes aren't made in America, he doesn't care. He hasn't brought them over because he doesn't care. You really think he will say no to cheap labor?

When I grew up, people said don't believe what people say but what they do. Trump has done the opposite of what he says.