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Offline pcm92

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #600 on: January 11, 2017, 07:00:23 pm »
I don't think he will step down because the house and the senate are both controlled by Republicans.

It's not really long until the 2020 election. I don't think Donald Trump will win the next election. Don't know who the Democratic nominee will be though.

I'm guessing either George Clooney or Joe Biden.
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #601 on: January 12, 2017, 03:20:21 am »
I'd say that's exactly why he'll step down personally. Like him or not, this has got to be having an effect on him and if he does step down, the republicans can just grab someone else in his place.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #602 on: January 12, 2017, 03:23:31 am »
Since the election is all but over, here's my final thoughts / rants on the matter:

I find it ironic that Democrats have been complaining non-stop about fears of interference from Russia during the elections because CNN, NBC, the NYT and much of the entertainment industry have done nothing but meddle in the elections to conceal one inconvinent truth, IMHO: Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate for the Democrat Party.

Barack Obama had done more than enough damage to the Democrat Party but Clinton was pure poison for the brand. Even her most fanatical devotee's who prattled on and on about how Trump is basically the Anti-Christ couldn't come up with a good reason she'd make a good president over Trump. That alone showed complete lack of confidence and enthusiam from her base of supporters.

And going back to meddling in elections, was Clinton ever asked any tough questions? She and her cronies were almost always never questioned about her problems with the Clinton Foundation, her time as Secretary of State under Obama (which I'm sure he regrets), the multiple investigations pertaining to her and a couple of her cronies. I find it ironic as well that an unconfirmed intellenge document with multiple spelling errors and wrongly named organizations is being paraded around while the DNC and Clinton's emails that were leaked (not hacked, but leaked) were initially shunned, barely reported, deemed phony and many people on Twitter and such have decided to highlight meaningless comments from the e-mail dump rather than focus on the very serious problems such as:

- Clinton's collusion with the Electors to throw Bernie Sanders under the bus;
- Clinton's Pay for Play scam while Secretary of State;
- Clinton's collusion with the FBI;
- Clinton's paid speeches regarding borders;
- Clinton admiting that the Iran deal was horrible;
- Clinton campaign's collusion with several media outlets (again, genuine interference);
- Clinton's problematic email server (deleted emails and communicated with Obama himself through that private server);

The only time I could recall Clinton being asked about any of this was in the very last debate about her paid speech in Brazil. Cue election and Trump wins big by getting Pensylvania, Florida, Michigan and a few other swing states (by small margins in a few of those). Prompting shock and outrage from the very remaining blue areas that decide to riot and break stuff in their own cities(?).

The rest is what we've all witness thus far:


- Jill Stein's publicity stunt to demand a recount on three key states in which she got more money than her entire presidential run and ironically helped Trump;
- The whole ask the electoral college voters to not vote for Trump (again, should count as genuine interference);
- The supossed peaceful transition in which we've witness the EPA throwing a massive hissy fit, intelligence briefings being sparsely provided and other weird incidents;
- Russians hacked the elections has become a permament fixture (she won the popular vote,remember?) and Trump is Putin's puppet or something (because it's possible to hack paper ballots and offline voting machines)
- Fake news, according to Buzzfeed, were shared more often than some of the more genuine articles but nowhere in this debate was there a clear example that swayed the elections in Trump's favor.


Regardless of how you feel about Trump, the undeniable truth at the end of the day is this: Hillary was a terrible candidate.


My advice for the Democrat Party right now is this: admit defeat, take a deep breath and think about what went wrong. So you can bounce back and be credible, hopefully without resorting to media and entertainment stooges.


The first thing to fix is the "anyone who disagrees with me is a something-phobe" or the more recent "You are Putin's pawn" everytime someone expresses doubts about Russia's role in the elections, certainly did no favors to Hillary's campaign;

Update: One final thing...


Let me get this straight, Trump isn't allowed to diss CNN but Obama's was allowed to treat Fox News like an unwanted pregnancy for 8 consecutive years.




End of rant, for reals this time.
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Offline Tad

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #603 on: January 12, 2017, 05:26:20 am »
I can't comment too much on it all as I don't live there, but it seems to me that it's not just democrats moaning. Even those in the republican party seemed a bit weary of Trump winning. Then when you move onto the person in question, you can't help but see why.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #604 on: January 20, 2017, 10:58:37 am »
Well, that's it. Trumps in.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #605 on: January 20, 2017, 12:21:40 pm »
Good. Is this the end of the media craze? I'm sick of american politics. Hell, it doesn't even affect us here
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #606 on: January 20, 2017, 02:59:18 pm »
Probably not. I dare say, European leaders are going to be a bit itchy with what he does now. Heck, a number of policies have already been changed. They've cancelled climate change initiatives.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #607 on: January 20, 2017, 04:01:29 pm »
I believe in global warming, but I also believe it is an overblown issue that is being used to force changes in the automotive industry. Changes that greatly benifit german and french car makers mainly.

I find that thought disgusting.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #608 on: January 20, 2017, 07:36:32 pm »
I don't understand why Americans DO drive Japanese cars and Japanese people DON'T drive American cars.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #609 on: January 21, 2017, 12:00:47 am »
France and Germany will always try stuff like that while they have the means. They sit very much at the top of the table within the EU and regardless of denying it, they always come out on top. Heck, the EU issued out a tax bill to other countries not so long ago...Germany and France got the lowest bill...funny that.

However, I don't think it's as overblown as you might think.

As for cars, it's like everything else, it's their preference and american cars don't appeal to Japan. I didn't think American cars were that highly regarded?
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #610 on: January 21, 2017, 03:44:34 am »
American cars are big, loud and expensive.

Gas is expensive in most countries, and a 3L 400hp V6 or whatever bizarre engine American cars have sucks up crazy amounts of it
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