Podcast reactions to Sega's recent statement

[Moody]

It really is game journalists perpetuating this idea that SEGA is a total bumfuck of a company with no redeeming qualities, and then the people who read them spread that idea without really thinking of it. I think most sensible consumers have, at most, an indifferent opinion about current-day SEGA. There's a definite stigma toward them, but the only people supporting that stigma are journalists who like to complain about Sonic.

[Tad]

It really is game journalists perpetuating this idea that SEGA is a total bumfuck of a company with no redeeming qualities, and then the people who read them spread that idea without really thinking of it. I think most sensible consumers have, at most, an indifferent opinion about current-day SEGA. There's a definite stigma toward them, but the only people supporting that stigma are journalists who like to complain about Sonic.

Most of the stigma comes from American "journalists" who have a nostalgia for Nintendo and were definitely Nintendo kids growing up. There's the root of the problem.

[George]

It really is game journalists perpetuating this idea that SEGA is a total bumfuck of a company with no redeeming qualities, and then the people who read them spread that idea without really thinking of it. I think most sensible consumers have, at most, an indifferent opinion about current-day SEGA. There's a definite stigma toward them, but the only people supporting that stigma are journalists who like to complain about Sonic.

So the same as the Saturn was out, the same when Dreamcast was out. SEGA always had to battle people, even when people considered them 'amazing' (us fans), there was still the main opinion of them not being as good as Nintendo and 'when will this fail'.

[Tad]

Is it fair to assume you're from America George? Because here in the UK, SEGA are still quite liked and Nintendo don't get such an easy pass from people. That's not to say people don't like them and they don't make good games, but I don't think we see the usual biased opinions as much here.

[Kuronoa]

It really is game journalists perpetuating this idea that SEGA is a total bumfuck of a company with no redeeming qualities, and then the people who read them spread that idea without really thinking of it. I think most sensible consumers have, at most, an indifferent opinion about current-day SEGA. There's a definite stigma toward them, but the only people supporting that stigma are journalists who like to complain about Sonic.

People are still misinformed about what developing Sonic means too.  I come across message board replies where people think Sonic blocks development of everything or that they have no budget to do anything but Sonic when one gets announced.

Furthermore, I also hear incredibly demanding requests while insulting them.  "Remake the whole Phantasy Star saga with PSO2 graphics, but you won't do it because you are stupid and force Sonic down our throats" something like that.

[crackdude]

Also, Sega is bankrupt, although the group owns multiple hotels etc

And my favorite "the GameGear was a complete failure". Although it sold more than the WiiU in less time on the market.

[Radrappy]

Guys. You're living in a fantasy world.  Sega hasn't been compared to nintendo since the late 90s.  Also the Dreamcast was a critical darling over here in the states and is oft mentioned as one of the most underrated consoles of all time by American bloggers.  People love Sega at their best, and find them anemic today.  That's all there is to it. 

[Moody]

Exactly. There's a stigma about them today, that's what we're discussing. Even the "industry people" that rail SEGA now will sometimes admit they like the Dreamcast, maybe partly because it was actually good, but I'd imagine mostly because it's the cool thing to do.

And people don't compare SEGA to Nintendo today? Have you seen any SEGA articles done by journalists?

The problem is that people want SEGA to get better but then won't give any of their current output a chance and just continue complaining when SEGA continue to not be as great as they once were. I can understand you being frustrated with them if you follow their work and output, like we do, but for the majority of people outside the SEGA fanbase, that's just not true.

[Nirmugen]

The problem is that people want SEGA to get better but then won't give any of their current output a chance and just continue complaining when SEGA continue to not be as great as they once were. I can understand you being frustrated with them if you follow their work and output, like we do, but for the majority of people outside the SEGA fanbase, that's just not true.

Basically. I'm tired of people looking for some "gold material" with any company even if their a niche at their bottom. Even worse when they want something like the 90's or any decade with the same input in this time...how that works?

False fans response is what gives me the reason. I see a lot, I mean, A LOT of re-release of obscure/cult classic/old licensed games in the last gen and did they give a single thank you? No, they complain about not making the true sequel and didn't spend the 8/15 bucks for the goddamn digital game. How that's a response....oh..I know, they wait to buy it in a sale...

Man, F2P and Mobile Games was a no-brainer to the devs Witt this situation.

Anyway, here's our favourite CM doing the good:
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/625721365736329216?s=09
SHOTS FIRED.

[Tad]

Colin Moriarty has really cheesed me off with his comments. He clearly came across as someone who actually was a Nintendo fanboy back in the day. His whole Ihad a Dreamcast so I'm allowed thing was just nonsense.

[Aki-at]

Colin Moriarty has really cheesed me off with his comments. He clearly came across as someone who actually was a Nintendo fanboy back in the day. His whole Ihad a Dreamcast so I'm allowed thing was just nonsense.

Amazed he considered the Master System a failure (It's not, SEGA considered it a success.) and conveniently forgot the Game Gear (Another console that was considered successful.) It's amazing how misinformed these journalists are but the way some of them go on about the PSP being a failure too shows you how little grip on reality vs hype.

[Randroid]

To UK people. I'm so jealous of your Sega accepting societies. North America is/was and probably always will be nintendo fanboy central.

All of the gaming press opinions from here are from that slant. Stick around on any gaming website long enough and they'll eventually put out a video where they bash Master System/Game Gear/Genesis because their Ninty fanboyism comes out in their discussions. I hate it. Gamespot, Ign, Kotaku (they don't even hide it) all do it. Fuck them all.

And of course they pander to that same sentiment. The comment sections are the worst.

"When is Nintendo going to buy Sega?"
"Why doesn't Nintendo just buy Sega?"

Ughhh. A part of me dies every time I hear that.

It's so weird. Does the UK gaming press insult the NES and Super NES? I seriously don't know and I suspect that retro console bashing is a NA phenomenon.

[Trippled]

USA is the only place in the world, AAA games are the only things that matter, games that aren't very known and are mid tier shoudn't exist just make it all indie. Also I can't discover anything on my own, despite me peing paid by the public to do "quasi" journalistic job.

KindaFunnyGames in a nutshell. Also they interact with Yoshida dont they? Come on man, up your know-how about things

[Kuronoa]

And of course they pander to that same sentiment. The comment sections are the worst.

"When is Nintendo going to buy Sega?"
"Why doesn't Nintendo just buy Sega?"

Now I think about it, this is the go-to response for every moment a company messes up or post losses.  Replace Sega with Capcom or Konami for example.

[George]

Ya from America too.

To UK people. I'm so jealous of your Sega accepting societies. North America is/was and probably always will be nintendo fanboy central.

All of the gaming press opinions from here are from that slant. Stick around on any gaming website long enough and they'll eventually put out a video where they bash Master System/Game Gear/Genesis because their Ninty fanboyism comes out in their discussions. I hate it. Gamespot, Ign, Kotaku (they don't even hide it) all do it. Fuck them all.

And of course they pander to that same sentiment. The comment sections are the worst.

"When is Nintendo going to buy Sega?"
"Why doesn't Nintendo just buy Sega?"

Ughhh. A part of me dies every time I hear that.

It's so weird. Does the UK gaming press insult the NES and Super NES? I seriously don't know and I suspect that retro console bashing is a NA phenomenon.

Yep. I hate the USA market especially the Nintendo fans that rewrite history. You should see how many of them actually think that the N64 was a 'massive' success for Nintendo and how SEGA, like always failed with the Saturn. Technically speaking the Saturn was a bigger failure than the N64 (no shit), but to call the N64 a success at the time would be telling people "How does it feel that instead of owning the world market in video games you guys did really well in America and your console bombed everywhere else?"

Technically speaking the Saturn did really well for itself in Japan, better than most other consoles did. If anyone was a winner that generation it was Sony with SEGA and Nintendo being the big 'losers', I would even say SNES was a 'loser' compared to Genesis by just giving up over 50% of its market.

But hey, what do I know. I guess success = whatever you liked playing as a kid.