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Offline Barry the Nomad

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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1635 on: October 22, 2010, 01:16:24 pm »
Sanus hating a Sonic Team game!?!?

Oh wait, that's the norm around here.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1636 on: October 22, 2010, 01:42:42 pm »
My phone started shakin to Sanus Sonic 4 twitter hate today :D

And Aki, people are complaining that this game is different than the originals. Not that it's bad. It's short and expensive imo, but it's worth it if you like it for what it is. I just think some are taking this way too seriously and it's really weird that when "everyone" hated Sonic Unleashed, all Sonic fans thought it was the best thing since Popsicles or something. Now that most people think this is a great game, the fans and mostly only them are complaining about how it's shit.

In reality, Sonic Unleashed was wa-ay worse and it cost 5 times as much when it launched. So where does all this hate coming from? Oh right, it has a "4" in the title. And since it's not like the originals it's shit. In my mind that shit makes no sense.

And yes I can spot the irony. But that only proves that the game lives up to the expectations of everyone who gave it a chance to shine. Unlike say Sonic Unleashed which made people cringe for death while playing a game that was 20% Sonic 80% disappointment.

Comments like Sanus' "this really goes so much further with just the 4 in the title" are stupid. Seriously think about what you are saying for a moment.

If doesn't like the physics or the visuals or the price or something, that's valid.
Though I was being a bit exaggerated on defending this game (I really enjoy it), I do admit that it has some bugs and the physics aren't the same. That may put some people off.

But the title of the game? lol are we really judging games by their title screens?
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1637 on: October 22, 2010, 02:50:10 pm »
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I think the title debate could go on and on til we're blue in the face (hey, just like Sonic!), so I think it's best if we either let it rest or simply have our say on it and not move into a quoting match. Besides, this thread is 164 pages as is.

Sound good? Cool.

My take on it: Sonic '06 had the audacity to proclaim that it was the return of "Sonic the Hedgehog" to the gaming world. Using the original title of the Genesis days to basically say that Sonic '91 was to the 2D world as Sonic '06 would be to the 3D world. Of course, such a bold statement was a failure as the game not only did not live up to its title, but it was also a terrible game on its own. Any title could not save '06. Funnily enough, Sonic '06 is almost never even called "Sonic the Hedgehog". It was so bad it was stripped of its true name and was given a prison number (2006). :P

Now we have Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1, a game that once again has the audacity to share a name with the original classic series. However, unlike '06, it isn't attempting to steal away the title of another game. The "4 Episode 1" distinction clearly says that this is the next game in that series. In terms of gameplay rules and visuals, Sonic 4 is a match. 3 act structure, boss at the end of each zone, 50 rings to get to the bonus stage, 100 for a free life, item boxes, badniks, checkerboards, etc.

Now in terms of physics, that's a different story. It IS different, as for how it functions varies from person to person. Some get so used to it that they find a very fun game underneath all of the differences. Others cannot get over it and to them it is a game breaker. I'm not calling either wrong, nor do I think we need to get into this debate. Nobody is "lying to themselves" in this regard. Those who are enjoying it, truly are enjoying it and those who are hating it truly are hating it.

The Episode 1 distinction is important, as it says that the game is not complete. Sonic Team and SEGA have a lot of room to expand and improve the game. If they want to create more fans for the full game, they're going to have to take a lot of the (level headed) comments to heart. As it stands now, Sonic 4 Episode 1 isn't a sequel "as I imagined it" as Sonic Team themselves have not even imagined it fully. I really do think that the complete Sonic 4 (Episodes 1-3) should be created via a dialogue with the fans, and thankfully that is how it looks to be going.

Remember "Sonic Fan Remix" when it was in it's infancy? It was actually not as loved as it is now. In fact, a lot of people had some very negative things to say about it. It wasn't until the past few months that the creator of that fan game implemented input from other fans and made it better. Now I personally did not enjoy the game, but I can absolutely see an improvement from the first screens to the current build.

With the above in mind, Sonic 4's process is a lot like this. The initial game had many problems: mine cart, pinball stage, rarely appearing wheel-o-feet, sudden stop at the end of a stage, no world map. After internal testing, and opinions expressed by fans over the leak, the game was much improved. Not improved to the point to please every fan, but it was still much improved. Now imagine Sonic Team taking what they hear about the final release of Episode 1 and implementing changes to make Episode 2 better: improved physics, an alternative to uncurling, new zones and enemies, Tails, etc. Right there, Sonic Team would be greatly improving Sonic 4.

So all-in-all, Sonic 4 could claim its place with the classics, but only once the game is released in full.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1638 on: October 22, 2010, 03:12:28 pm »
Barry, you are way too hopeful about the episodic nature of this game and Sonic Team. The game will not change in the way many people here would like to, it will remain the very same thing, recycled zones and badniks and bad gameplay (from a sequel to Sonic 3 & Knuckles standpoint). They said the game was made to appeal to Mario fans and I can see the recycling continuing which is basically what NIntendo have been doing for 25 years now and got away with it. Sega is better than that shit and Sonic deserves a lot more respect.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1639 on: October 22, 2010, 03:19:16 pm »
Well Orta, we shall see what Sonic Team does. At this point, the ball is in their court.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1640 on: October 22, 2010, 03:22:45 pm »
Sanus doesnt like Sonic 4. THE WHOLE OF SEGA IS DEAD!
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1641 on: October 22, 2010, 06:47:45 pm »
Mad Gear Act 3 was awesome. I hope that Episode 2 starts out at about that level of difficult and then goes upwards from there.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1642 on: October 22, 2010, 06:53:34 pm »
Suggestion: Play the final boss while listening to Daft Punk's Robot Rock.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1643 on: October 22, 2010, 07:34:13 pm »
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Sanus hating a Sonic Team game!?!?

Oh wait, that's the norm around here.

More than half of their games from the 90s are some of my favorite games of all time. After years of consistent disappointment... Actually saying stuff that I like Unleashed and have actually defended Shadow's game a bit... If anything I am way too easy on them and you are just the mindless drone about it all.

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Sanus doesnt like Sonic 4. THE WHOLE OF SEGA IS DEAD!

I said Sonic Team is so bad that it actually hurts SEGA for me. It is a big deal to me that they lie about Sonic stuff almost as much as Iizuka does now.

I do not understand why the three obvious defenders of this take my opinion on the game so seriously. I have constantly stated that I do not want you guys to not purchase these and that I am happy some people actually like this stuff, but you guys do not need to be asses about it.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1644 on: October 22, 2010, 07:41:29 pm »
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If anything I am way too easy on them and you are just the mindless drone about it all.

welcome to the next level mother f-


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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1645 on: October 22, 2010, 07:51:32 pm »
Let's all chill out guys. If you don't like the game, then get Comic Jumper instead and love that. If you do like the game, then go for your life.

Let's all go and talk about how much we like Vanquish instead.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1646 on: October 22, 2010, 10:35:59 pm »
Quote from: "crackdude"
Suggestion: Play the final boss while listening to Daft Punk's Robot Rock.

That is the single best bit of advice I have ever read on the internet. I salute you sir.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1647 on: October 22, 2010, 10:46:28 pm »
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Let's all chill out guys. If you don't like the game, then get Comic Jumper instead and love that. If you do like the game, then go for your life.

Let's all go and talk about how much we like Vanquish instead.

Comic Jumper... Really DID get a crappy review from GameTrailers... Watched it today. Comedy is good but gameplay is arse apparently.

Vanquish on the other hand... Non-Stop-Awesome shame that very few people here will actually get it (I feel).

I see about as much talk about Vanquish here as I do Total War... Both are so good it hurts.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1648 on: October 22, 2010, 11:11:26 pm »
I've already got my copy of Vanquish, as for Comic Jumper, the gameplay is brilliant, but it's also really really hard. Maybe that's why it lost points. The beat em up sections are crappy, but the are few and far between, the shoot em up sections though are the bulk of the game and work really well.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1649 on: October 23, 2010, 06:57:25 am »
Quote from: "SOUP"
Quote from: "crackdude"
Suggestion: Play the final boss while listening to Daft Punk's Robot Rock.

That is the single best bit of advice I have ever read on the internet. I salute you sir.
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