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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #315 on: March 10, 2010, 08:15:21 am »
I believe the content will be 4 full zones (Splash Hill, Lost Labyrinth, Casino Street, Mad Gear)and 1 unlockable final zone (E.G.G. Station) consisting of 13 acts with seven special stages and five boss battles (4 regular, one final). If the price is right ($15-$20) and if episode II comes by the holidays, I'm happy with that level of content.

Three episodes in total could bring us around 12 zones + 3 final zones (15 total), 14 special stages, 3 playable characters (assuming Tails is in episode II and Knuckles is in episode III), 14 emeralds (7 regular, 7 super) and a partridge in a pear tree.

Seeing as how Iizuka calls episode I an "introduction" I could see the homages to Sonic 1-3 fading as the episodes go on. Some fans want HD remixes, some want all new content. Episode II could very well please that second set of fans.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #316 on: March 10, 2010, 08:31:35 am »
I hate that they call Robotnik "Eggman".
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #317 on: March 10, 2010, 10:16:51 am »
I don't think they will call him anything in the game.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #318 on: March 10, 2010, 10:19:39 am »
I think they should call him Professor Kintobor.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #319 on: March 10, 2010, 10:32:25 am »
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I think they should call him Professor Kintobor.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #320 on: March 10, 2010, 10:42:03 am »
^I know something is being inserted into Silver, but I don't want to know what....

The name Eggman gets a mention in the submenu boss battle. But that's about as "in the background" as all the times "EGG" has been tossed about in the early games. In titles, in environments, in weapons.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #321 on: March 10, 2010, 11:44:57 am »
Yes, he was Dr. Ivo Robotnik. Ivo was a play on Ovi. Egg.

That was subtle and an awesome name. Then in SA Sonic mocks him as the Eggman and that's since when we ever heard Robotnik ever again.

Also, this is really unsettling.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #322 on: March 10, 2010, 12:25:38 pm »
Actually (adjusts nerd glasses) the name Robotnik appears in SA2, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Battle as Gerald Robotnik is featured.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #323 on: March 10, 2010, 04:37:51 pm »
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Actually (adjusts nerd glasses) the name Robotnik appears in SA2, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Battle as Gerald Robotnik is featured.
That is correct. But that just supports my opinion that if they have not got rid of the name, why don't they use it? I mean, calling him Eggman was a nice joke, I laughed when I heard it for the first time in SA, but it's a bit overused by now, no?
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #324 on: March 10, 2010, 08:37:34 pm »
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Actually (adjusts nerd glasses) the name Robotnik appears in SA2, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Battle as Gerald Robotnik is featured.
That is correct. But that just supports my opinion that if they have not got rid of the name, why don't they use it? I mean, calling him Eggman was a nice joke, I laughed when I heard it for the first time in SA, but it's a bit overused by now, no?
Welll personally I liked how it was in Sonic Adventure. Robotnik is the name he used for himself while Sonic said 'Eggman' as an insult.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #325 on: March 11, 2010, 08:08:31 am »
spoiler: obviousness ahead:

In Japan, Eggman is the de facto name. The only name. In the US/EU the name was localized to be Ivo Robotnik. Thankfully for Sega, the full name Eggman never made it into the Genesis games, so there was no need to alter code. The only work Sega had to do to establish Robotnik as a name was within the manuals. (remember, Amy Rose was Princess Sally and Earth was Mobius according to US manuals)

With the release of Sonic Adventure, it became a bit more difficult to use the name Robotnik without Eggman cropping up due to voice overs, lyrics, gameplay elements (the E-G-G-M-A-N password), etc. To work around this, the US/EU releases still referred to Robotnik in the english vocal tracks, but Eggman could not be completely wiped out. The solution? Retconning that it was a silly nickname Sonic has for Robotnik!

Then came SA2. With Sonic Team USA at the helm, Robotnik was used at the very start of development (rather than being implemented later for localization as was the case in SA1). The twist was that in SA2, Sonic Team retconned the inconsistency by saying "His name was Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik all along, and his grandfather is Gerald Robotnik! It's a nickname!" :D Of course, this is all BS. Outside of localization, Eggman is the ONLY name to exist in Sonic Team Japan's eyes up until SA2. Robotnik only made its way in when US devs were behind a Sonic game (Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, Sonic Spinball). This isn't to say Sonic Team Japan hated the name Robotnik, it was just that Robotnik wasn't his name. It was a SoA idea, not theirs. Why was Sega of America so intent to keep the name Robotnik alive? Well, Sonic Underground was still airing at the time and the Archie Comics were rather strong. Maybe they still wanted some consistency across all the Sonic media.

Then came Sonic Heroes and Sega said "fuck it." Sonic X was the new cartoon on the block, and being Japanese made, Eggman was all over the place. Why spend the extra time trying to work in Robotnik when Eggman can just be THE name. Thus, heroes kicked off with Eggman (not Robotnik) writing Team Sonic a message and from then on out Eggman reigned supreme.

Of course, uberfans still debate that there was some sort of reason Robotnik changed his name, thinking perhaps he had issues with his granddaddy or that he went insane and adopted the same name that Sonic used to mock him. But really, that's all bull. The only motivation Robotnik had to change his name was Sega attempting to lessen the localization load and create a brand that is consistent in all countries. It's not character-driven, it's business.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #326 on: March 11, 2010, 08:20:28 am »
You are wrong with some points.

Firstly, the American release of Sonic the Hedgehog 1 was the original, the Japanese release came later (not certain of the date, but I think only like a month later), which means Robotnik was the original name.

Sonic Team switched to Dr Eggman in Sonic Adventure 2 because they could use the same text they had already made for the menus, to keep it consistent with the rest of the text they did not shrink it down and just decided to use Dr Eggman instead.

Besides Maria and Gerald, "Dr Robotnik" could still be found in Sonic Adventure 2, in some of the CG cutscenes you can see it scrolling behind him. Most likely the people who made these and the names did not know of "Eggman", as you probably know, SA2 was made in America with different people.

And pretty much the most obvious one is that "Robotnik" just makes no sense and would be extremely hard to pronounce in Japanese. Robottoneek? Sonic Team is lazy as shit so they just kept Eggman.

A point Kogen brought up that is very sound, is that most likely the new Sonic Team just never knew and assumed his name was always Eggman.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #327 on: March 11, 2010, 08:38:57 am »
What came first? The chicken or the Eggman? Well, the US and JP versions were 3 days apart :P

So in release order, Robotnik hit stores first (June 23rd), however in development Eggman (most likely) came first (June 26th).

Sonic was a collab of SoA and SoJ, but the characters via concept art originated in Japan. One can assume that since Robotnik is such a non-Japanese name, Eggman came first in development, despite Robotnik being having a much stronger presence at release in the EU and US. The game itself supports that Robotnik was never on the mind of Sonic Team during development as Egg appears all over the place.

Taking a look at the Sega Game Art artbook, published in 93, I found something interesting:

Translation reads Doctor Eggman, despite the english reading "Robotnik"

What I find funny is that one without knowledge of the Sonic series could play Sonic 1-3&K and never know the antagonists name. He sure likes using the word "egg" a lot. Perhaps his name is Egg? Egg Man? Eggman? I'm still not convinced that he was Robotnik to Sonic Team.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #328 on: March 11, 2010, 09:00:15 am »
My point still stands that Dr Robotnik was the original official name, just because it was "Probably" used before the name Robotnik was decided on changes nothing.

Vector the Crocodile was supposed to be one of Sonic's best friends before Tails was ever conceived, that does not mean that he is because they came up with him first. Every since Chaotix I do not even think they ever acknowledged one another, same with Knuckles, which is just retarded on their part. This just leads back to the new Sonic Team just not knowing and not caring enough to actually learn anything about the series.

And what of the Badniks? Even in Japan they were always called that pre-Sonic Adventure. I am pretty sure both names were known by Sonic Team back in the Genesis/Mega Drive days.

I think everyone's point though, is that Eggman sounds and looks stupid. Sonic Team being too lazy to use both is an extremely poor excuse.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #329 on: March 11, 2010, 02:10:37 pm »
That was an interesting read, but in the end I must agree with this:
Quote from: "Sega Uranus"
I think everyone's point though, is that Eggman sounds and looks stupid. Sonic Team being too lazy to use both is an extremely poor excuse.
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