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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: cube_b3 on March 05, 2011, 01:35:23 pm
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I have a limited edition Resident Evil 5 Xbox 360 that I am thinking of selling so I can invest somewhere else. I got very emotional when a RE5 Edition was announced ultimately a better decision would've been to buy a limited edition RE5 for PS3 instead.
It was also disappointing that the RE5 edition system didn't come with the extra swag from the games limited edition.
I think the biggest disappointment was RE5 as a game. Either way I have Alan Wake Limited Edition it is the only game I want to play for the system so once I'm done I'll sell the system.
I'll Obviously sell it with RE5 & SSF2Turbo that it came with.
I'll also throw in games like Lost Planet, Devil May Cry 4 limited Edition, Condemned: Criminal Origins, GTA4 and at least 3 more games. Obviously i'll hang on to Alan Wake & Sonic 06.
So how much do you think would be a good price estimate?
Ebay was no help as no one was bidding on the systems.
I'll probably sell it in August.
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If you are going to keep some games and may have interest in some others that have been released or will be soon why would you sell the console at all? I am especially surprised you are not into the Indie games there.
As for what you should sell it for... I would sell it sooner than later. The demand for the original Xbox 360 is so low now and will only get much lower as the year continues, especially seeing as how Kinect continues to do pretty damn good.
I cannot imagine you getting much more than 250 USD for that whole bundle though, and like I said, the demand is only going to go down.
Good luck.
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So much for it being a fucking limited edition.
I'll eventually get my hands on another 360 or x720 down the road.
Alan Wake and Sonic 06 are some of the finest games I've played this generation and I generally don't like to sell games but 360 has just been a bad experience so I am hoping to get a little return on investment.
This generation as a whole is nothing short of terrible, could we imagine 10 years ago that not only Microsoft will enter gaming, it will lead it?
Sad, pathetic times we live in.
A world without a home console running off Arcade Ports :(.
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Alan Wake and Sonic 06 are some of the finest games I've played this generation and I generally don't like to sell games but 360 has just been a bad experience so I am hoping to get a little return on investment.
Sonic '06? I don't want to beat a dead horse, but really, finest game of this generation? C'mon dude! I swear I've heard you slag the game off here, so which is it? Also, '06 is hardly a 360 defining game, as it is on the PS3 as well. Perhaps you weren't looking in the right places for great 360 exclusives?
This generation has been great fun. "nothing short of terrible" is complete bullshit. I'm curious, have you played a good deal of the current gen games that we gush about here at the forums? Because if you have, I doubt you'd be calling this gen "terrible", "sad" and "pathetic".
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Well 06 was released before the PS3 even came out. I just got my PS3 next month (that is when it will arrive).
Yes, I don't play a lot of consumer video games.
Last year on my 360 I played
Lost Via Domus (amazing if your a show fan)
Dead Rising (awesomeness)
Lost Planet (it was so boring I stopped midway)
Max Payne (replay)
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
Condemned (dark and boring but I pushed through and persevered)
Currently playing Alan Wake and Condemned 2:BS (basically i've stopped C2:BS to focus on Wake)
I am more into Arcade gaming therefore the game I've played most on 360 is Street Fighter 4 and Super Street Fighter 4. You have to admit home consoles barely have arcade games.
@ Sanus: XNA is bull shit and a real monopolistic code - very unindependent.
See all the dc devers they choose independently to release a game on Dreamcast, they are free to port it from any platform or port it to any platform with XNA on the other hand it is locked down to XNA. The game has to be coded from scratch for it, or recoded if the developer wants to port it.
People who like indie games love the Wii, GP2X, Pandora and other lesser known gaming hardware.
My indie love is channeled exclusively to SEGA hardware.
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Sonic 06 are some of the finest games I've played this generation ...
This generation as a whole is nothing short of terrible,
Sometimes I think you say these things for the sole purpose of trying to make our heads explode.
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I don't know, maybe.
Check this out:
Me and my little cousins beat Sonic Colors pretty quickly and right after beating it we popped in Sonic 06 and boy did we have fun.
We played Crisis Zone, Radical Train and Wave Ocean. We had so much fun and we all thought the game was 10 times better than Colors, in order to reassure ourselves we played White Acropolis arguably the worst stage in the game and even then we all concluded that 06 is a better experience.
As my old physics teacher who was bad at English used to say:
"And then they be EsploSion, and they Die by being dead"
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That one won't work on me, I thought Sonic Colours was pretty rubbish too. Well, not rubbish, but mediocre at best.
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I don't know why, but a little part of me loves sonic 06 as well... so that makes 2. *more heads explode*
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Hahaha.
Yeah Colors is no good, but I love that sonic finally learned swimming.
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Must. . .resist. . .urge to rage
Congratulations cube. You and your 06 loving brethren are the ultimate trolls.
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Actually, I don't enjoy Sonic 06 in the slightest, I think it's the single worst game I've ever had the displeasure to play, but I also think that Sonic Colours is pretty mediocre.
So if Sonic Colours is like a Pizza that tastes kinda so-so, then Sonic 06 is like eating razor blades tipped in acid.
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Oh Come On, if anything Sonic 06 is a Pizza that simply hasn't been baked.
Razor blades tipped in acid, a bit much.
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Actually, I don't enjoy Sonic 06 in the slightest, I think it's the single worst game I've ever had the displeasure to play, but I also think that Sonic Colours is pretty mediocre.
So if Sonic Colours is like a Pizza that tastes kinda so-so, then Sonic 06 is like eating razor blades tipped in acid.
You should play Atari ET, or Bubble Ghost (any platform). Those are the worst two games ever.
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Actually, I don't enjoy Sonic 06 in the slightest, I think it's the single worst game I've ever had the displeasure to play, but I also think that Sonic Colours is pretty mediocre.
So if Sonic Colours is like a Pizza that tastes kinda so-so, then Sonic 06 is like eating razor blades tipped in acid.
You should play Atari ET, or Bubble Ghost (any platform). Those are the worst two games ever.
So? He's saying 06 is the worst game HE'S ever played. What does listing worse games have to do with anything?
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I was embarrassed when Sonic '06 showed up on my gamertag.
Sonic's battle with Silver made me, for the first time, truly and fully hate something Sonic. Sonic's White Acropolis stage killed a part of my brain.
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Actually, I don't enjoy Sonic 06 in the slightest, I think it's the single worst game I've ever had the displeasure to play, but I also think that Sonic Colours is pretty mediocre.
So if Sonic Colours is like a Pizza that tastes kinda so-so, then Sonic 06 is like eating razor blades tipped in acid.
You should play Atari ET, or Bubble Ghost (any platform). Those are the worst two games ever.
So? He's saying 06 is the worst game HE'S ever played. What does listing worse games have to do with anything?
This topic is about Cube selling his 360, so what does your getting angry about Sonic 06 have to donwith anything?
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I sold my 360, not really missing it. Rumor is that Microsoft is already getting ready for a new system. I would not doubt it, 360's line up is getting poor (exclusive wise) it is obvious that they are moving most teams to another platform. We shall see.
But as of right now, I don't like Gears of War, so I'm happy with PS3/Wii only.
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This topic is about Cube selling his 360, so what does your getting angry about Sonic 06 have to donwith anything?
I'm not angry, I just didn't understand what you were trying to say.
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I don't wanna be the guy defending sonic 06... I aknowledge that it was a terrible game, but I don't know. Some of the stages were jst really excellent. It started the same with me. I bought the game, hated it and got saints row instead the first time, which was a great decision. Than I found it somewhere for 5 euro and bought it again just to "own" one of the many sonic games I have.
The new xbox dashboard was out and the new install feature was now there. Installing the game did reduce a bit of the loading times and I decided to finish the game.
I found out that it did have some good stuff. Basically everything about the game sucks imo, except for what they were aiming for with the way sonic stages should be done in 3d. Speed and action/platforming were balanced. It sucked that the game was a total unfinished mess. Even if it were fnished, a lot of the decisions they made by making the world realistic, having the worst story line in a sonic game ever and the hub worlds would still make it an average package. I think finishing the game got me used to the crappy controls and made me see some positive light :S. I really love some of the stages and sometime I wished that the game would be redone but done right. But I guess that's too late :P.
Anyway, selling your 360 ain't really a bad decision. The 360 has a great library of games, but it seems ps3 gonna shit on 360 this year. It just shows that PS3 even though it had a slow start, are always about quality games. Even though in the early days I used to hate ps because of sega still being in the console business, I can aknowledge now after playing lots of ps games, that sony really has a lot in common with SEGA. Originality and quality games. I recently got a ps3 and I don't even use my 360 anymore. SEGA games like valkyria and yakuza totally won me over, but also sony games like infamous, killzone and resistance and alot more. I recently bought MvC 3 for the ps3 and the ps3 controller is so much better for fighting games.
The only reason i'm keaping my 360 is because I don't really ever sell my stuff, knowing that I might regret when something awesome comes out. I guess you should think about it. If your desperate about cash, than go for it. If you got it well, i'd say why not keep it.
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Xbox had a few great years, then left in a wimper, I expect the 360 to pretty much follow. Sony's consoles always have a slow software start, then leave rather well with strong titles.
I will most likely buy the next Xbox if it does all the right moves (Play 360/XBLA, faster interface, more things to do)
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Playing 360 games and being Kinect compatible is a must for a next XBOX console. I'd assume that's the plan, 360 and Kinect for a few more years then release the 720 (or whatever it is) but offer a smooth transition by allowing all the XBOX LIVE stuff to transfer seamlessly (games, saves, all the info), 360 backwards compatibility (and maybe original XBOX BC?) and allow for deeper Kinect integration. I'd hate to have a complete console reboot, but would gladly upgrade if it meant I could still use my Kinect, 360 games and all my LIVE stuff. Original XBOX games I'm not too bothered about losing support for.
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The only reason i'm keaping my 360 is because I don't really ever sell my stuff, knowing that I might regret when something awesome comes out. I guess you should think about it. If your desperate about cash, than go for it. If you got it well, i'd say why not keep it.
I have to beat a few games (Alan Wake, Condemned 2 and one more), i'm going to hang on to it till September, basically I bought it for RE5 and the game disappointed.
Secondly a better version of the game with move controls is on PS3, so i'm going with that.
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I loved Sonic 06 at first, but think it is easily the worst in the main series. I prefer it's style to Colors, but not with the weird dark shit or how Mephiles exists or the love stories or... Well basically everything. I hate when people say the game is not finished, the title just obviously had poor direction with no idea what they wanted to do. They did not focus on the fundamentals or anything, the game just sucks. Colors has some pretty good gameplay design, but... worse music I guess?
My only real issues with Colors are that I do not like the art in some of the worlds (Candy/burger level is some of the worst art design I have ever seen in a SEGA game, seriously), there should not be 6 acts for each of them, the story is so boring and there are no extras.
Sonic Unleashed is better than all of them combined. Werehog and all. When I first finished it, I could not believe how angry the whole game made me, but when I replayed it last year I actually enjoyed it a lot. Throw out the frustration factor and it is a pretty great game.
I like how George looks at games though, ignore all great games that came out before, only look at ones coming out. That is how PlayStation people pretend they have things to look forward to, when it is just the same crap on all platforms.
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The Wii version of unleashed is crap, while the Hedgehog Engine version look and plays worlds better, it still sucks, as the entire stage can be finished with the boost button and the occasional jump I don't like why people like the day time levels of Unleashed. They are too fast and are covered with invisible walls.
As for the Direction of 06, the director of the game left during development with 10 other designers. I am pretty sure he asked to push the dead line, before walking out.
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The Wii version of unleashed is crap, while the Hedgehog Engine version look and plays worlds better, it still sucks, as the entire stage can be finished with the boost button and the occasional jump I don't like why people like the day time levels of Unleashed. They are too fast and are covered with invisible walls.
As for the Direction of 06, the director of the game left during development with 10 other designers. I am pretty sure he asked to push the dead line, before walking out.
The Wii version of Unleashed is one of the worst Sonic games of all time in my opinion.
But you got the idea all wrong with the HD versions of Unleashed. It is true the gameplay focuses on speed too often and could have been a lot better in some parts, with areas being too frustrating, but at least it is not consistently glitchy and poorly designed. Like the high speed sections of 06, there were sections you could get stuck and Sonic would tumble in place, or how random shrapnel like a car door could kill you in the blink of an eye randomly. Piece of fucking shit!
I would prefer the adventure fields to be focused on platforming above all, but some of the side missions the characters you talked to gave you were actually really cool and well designed. I have an overly soft spot for them because they are inspired by Yakuza substories.
Overall at least we can all agree that the Genesis games are a billion times better than all of these combined.
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I prefer Adventure 1 & 2 over the Genesis games.
....and a few more heads explodes.
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I prefer Adventure 1 & 2 over the Genesis games.
....and a few more heads explodes.
You also think that SVC Chaos is better than Capcom vs SNK 2 because it has still image endings.
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I haven't played SVC:Chaos and just thought SNK spent a lot more time developing the game, to deliver a complete experience. Where as Capcom really delivered a half hearted game even though it is probably the most played game in my life.
Spent 10 straight years with it.
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Just because it has new sprites and pictures for the end scenes? You are wrong.
Capcom vs SNK 2 was Capcom's second most expensive fighting game at the time, and that is only because in Street Fighter III they went all out in every category. They only reused sprites in CvS2 because it is what the fans specifically asked.
Anyways, I think Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are wonderful games, but Sonic 1 2 and 3 are literal triumphs of technology and game design. They are monumental. You cannot compare these to "Really good games".
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Then explain why it only had only 5 stages in a game that has almost 50 characters.
I think that game holds the record for lowest stage count, and I don't know what fan wanted those dated sprites for Morrigan or about all the SNK sprites which look inferior in comparison.
CVS2 is the game I've played most in my life, but given I played this game for almost half my life I would've enjoyed if Capcom spent more time in other aspects besides gameplay.
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Sonic Adventure was the fastest moving 3D game I had ever played, it was amazing and I will keep the adventure games above any games preceding them. It is my opinion, you can make your own top 10 Sonic list :).
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Sonic Adventure was the fastest moving 3D game I had ever played, it was amazing and I will keep the adventure games above any games preceding them. It is my opinion, you can make your own top 10 Sonic list :).
I am not talking opinions here or what game is "Fastest", I am just stating the facts. The original Sonic trilogy is a technological masterpiece of it's time and pushed the industry in so many new directions at the same time, as well as making SEGA not only a household name, but an iconic one, and not just for arcades.
Sonic Adventure games did not do that, and no future ones will be able to achieve anything like this again. Every five years or so a new IP does this. Halo is a good example for comparison.
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Sonic Adventure games did not do that, and no future ones will be able to achieve anything like this again. Every five years or so a new IP does this. Halo is a good example for comparison.
When the first one came out, the best 3D platformers were the slowpaced Spyro, Mario 64 and Crash.
Sonic Adventure was a huge step forward in a genre that ultimately wasn't to be one of the prominent ones in gaming (as opposed to FPS, with the Halo breakthrough and free-roaming crime simulators like GTA).
It's pretty easy to look back now and say "oh it didn't achieve anything groundbreaking". But when they were released they had a big a shot as any game that did breakthrough.
So while time hasn't made them as industry-shifting as the original trilogy, I see no reason why they can hold a "masterpiece" title on their own.
It's like saying Final Fantasy VI isn't a masterpiece cause it didn't do anything groundbreaking, and Final Fantasy I is because it did. While we know that Final Fantasy I is hardly even comparable to the genius behind VI.
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Crackdude, you of all people know my extreme praise of Sonic Adventure. Of course I know what it achieved, but it was still not on the level of what the original trilogy did.
On graphics, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were incredibly ahead of their time, but with all things like that, they aged. However, it still took like four years with the release of Jak and Daxter to have a game that was above the level of Sonic Adventure in pretty much all regards, graphically at least. But for comparison, Sonic 1 still to this day remains one of the best looking 16 bit games. There were 2D games coming out TEN YEARS after Sonic 1 that did not look as good as it, and it can be argued that no Game Boy Advance game looked as good as this did. I would say that is Shenmue-level impressive.
When talking on engines, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 used two different engines, but Sonic 1, 2 and 3 were all based on one another with minor tweaks. Elements of it were still used all the way up until NiGHTS and Burning Rangers, and when control is concerned, Sonic 1, 2 and 3 might be the most "Solid controlling" 2D games in existence, when we all know about people complaining about falling through the levels and such in the early 3D games.
I could literally go on for hours, but I am honestly not sure why any of it matters, I was just pointing out what the series has achieved, not how good each release is. I actually prefer Sonic Adventure to Sonic the Hedgehog 2, but I do not think it is a better product overall in any way.
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I agree with Sega Uranus. Sonic 1 was mind-boggling when it came out.
They praised the speed, but to me I had no idea the Genesis was capable of that level of detail and color.
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Oh, I must have misinterpreted your comment quite a bit!
Yes, of course I have to agree with you.
Though on this point:
"I actually prefer Sonic Adventure to Sonic the Hedgehog 2, but I do not think it is a better product overall in any way."
I don't quite see things that way. They are quite different products and can't be directly compared imo.
I think they are both great products.
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Yes, and in consequence I enjoy SA2 more than the old ones :).
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Yes, and in consequence I enjoy SA2 more than the old ones :).
So do I :)
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Everyone now knows that the super secret unlockable of SA2 was the classic Green Hill Zone, my fondest memory was after I unlocked it the stage started off as 2D (you know the kind that unleashed and Colors)...
I was so f'ing pissed off, I collected a 180 emeralds to play the classic stage, the classic way ARRGGHHH!!!
But then as soon as I started moving forward the camera slowly went behind Sonic showcasing the wonder that is 3D and it was there and then that I knew Sonic had reached the next level.
2D days were gone and that was a good thing, fast forward a decade and Sonic has regressed to a game that is inferior to the Crash Bandicoot games on PS1.
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Sonic Colours is pretty ordinary, but it has nothing to do with 2D gameplay. If you seriously think that 2D games are inherintly inferior to 3D, then... well actually I already though you were totally mad so, business as usual I guess.
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Hey, I was just trying to make your head S-polde.
But in all seriousness it was amazing seeing the camera shift from Side Scrolling to behind the back. I just love that camera angel it gives a deeper sense of speed.
On an unrealted note I don't understand why people call the side camera angel a 2D or 2.5D angel. Sure the gameplay is restricted to X and Y axis but it is 3D.
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Is there anything wrong in thinking 3D is better than 2D?w
It sure as hell helped for shooters, sports games and racing games. Made for some great platformers too..
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^ updated my post.
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Hey, I was just trying to make your head S-polde.
But in all seriousness it was amazing seeing the camera shift from Side Scrolling to behind the back. I just love that camera angel it gives a deeper sense of speed.
On an unrealted note I don't understand why people call the side camera angel a 2D or 2.5D angel. Sure the gameplay is restricted to X and Y axis but it is 3D.
I can understand that iwas really impressive, but I just don't think that 3D always translates to a better game than 2D. For example, I think that Splosion Man is the best platformer this generation, and it's fully 2D in gameplay. The controls, level design, art direction, music, and difficulty curve are all just sublime.
As for 2.5D, it's not really a name that makes sense at all, it's just a slang term/nickname to quickly describe a game with 3D graphics playing out with a 2D playing style.
Is there anything wrong in thinking 3D is better than 2D?w
It sure as hell helped for shooters, sports games and racing games. Made for some great platformers too..
Nothing wrong with liking 3D, but to say that 3D games are inherintly better than 2D is just ignorant I think. It's like saying that all colour movies are better than black and white movies. Would you ever say that 'The Fast and The Furious' is better than Casablanca because it has colour?
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I love the Fast & the Furious!
2D has actually stood the test of time really well. Go back and play Mario or Sonic and they are still amazing! Then put your Saturn on and play a 3D game and it hurts your eyes. That's the issue with 3D. Very few games hold up because better 3D of the same game means a better game. Half Life, Shenmue are good examples. But look at Goldeneye. An incredible game, whilst still good fun. If I was introducing a young kid to retro games I wouldn't go there...
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Nothing wrong with liking 3D, but to say that 3D games are inherintly better than 2D is just ignorant I think. It's like saying that all colour movies are better than black and white movies. Would you ever say that 'The Fast and The Furious' is better than Casablanca because it has colour?
Another spot on post and what Cube is doing liking a the Dreamcst I do not know (a 3D machine) He should love the Saturn, the King of Arcade ports and 2D.
As for 2.5D, it's not really a name that makes sense at all, it's just a slang term/nickname to quickly describe a game with 3D graphics playing out with a 2D playing style
Spot on it's a made up term that started to show up with Clockwork knight
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Sonic Adventure was the fastest moving 3D game I had ever played, it was amazing and I will keep the adventure games above any games preceding them. It is my opinion, you can make your own top 10 Sonic list :).
I am not talking opinions here or what game is "Fastest", I am just stating the facts. The original Sonic trilogy is a technological masterpiece of it's time and pushed the industry in so many new directions at the same time, as well as making SEGA not only a household name, but an iconic one, and not just for arcades.
Sonic Adventure games did not do that, and no future ones will be able to achieve anything like this again. Every five years or so a new IP does this. Halo is a good example for comparison.
Agreed but other than being a technological master piece the game didn't do anything really new , and I happen to think Mickey Mouse, Quakshot and Revenge Of Shinobi were so much better platform games. I also think Sonic Adv is the best Sonic game ever made
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Agreed but other than being a technological master piece the game didn't do anything really new , and I happen to think Mickey Mouse, Quakshot and Revenge Of Shinobi were so much better platform games. I also think Sonic Adv is the best Sonic game ever made
YES!!! God yes! Quackshot is one of the most underrated Genesis platformers! Fantastic game. I only recently learned Takashi Thomas Yuda (designer of Knuckles and Director of SPace Channel 5) was the Art Director for the game. Very cool.
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I love a good hand drawn sprite based 3D game as much as the next guy. I don't mind 2.5D arrg... I mean side scrolling game play in 3D games.
I just don't like it for Sonic, there is no fun seeing him run left to right, to me that is equivalent of watching someone else go on a rollercoaster from the side. When the camera is behind you, you go down the slope with Sonic and that is exhiliration at it's best.
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That is the problem. Sonic was not supposed to be a fast roller-coaster like game, it was supposed to be a high quality platformer. The roller coaster stuff was for marketing, because it was generally the fastest moving game of it's time, with how the levels tumbled and all. In reality if we go by foot speed, I think Mario ran faster in Super Mario World really.
They kind of made it like that because current age Sonic Team is clueless. They kind of dug themselves into a hole with how diverse the series is now, with fans all over the place wanting different stuff.
In a way, I feel bad that they have maybe the hardest to please fanbase in the industry, but then I remember they are easily the worst big developers in the world and stop caring.
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Yeah Sonic isn't about Speed.
After all the word Sonic, has nothing to do with speed it is about high quality platforming. The loop de loops, springs, and those speed enhancing stuff on the ground was all their to illustrate platforming.
I guess the 1st game wasn't very fast, but that's why I didn't play much of it. I came on board with the 2nd one and that was all about speed, remember Super Sonic?
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^Speed and platforming, not speed and making a virtual roller coaster ride.
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Basically Momentum based gameplay.
I just made the above post to say the opposite of Sanus, I know what Sonic is about.
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In any event, I know exactly what Cube means about the speed in the 3D Sonic games. It is a unique kind of character trait that a lot of games have a hard time achieving nowadays, and if Sonic Team is good at anything, they can sure make a great sense of speed with the dynamic camera and fairly long level layouts.
But the majority of the newer Sonic games still suck dick.