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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: semmie on September 28, 2012, 01:04:59 pm
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sega has been re releasing many games in hd. the only one worth tho is yakuza one and 2 due to the fact that many gamers just formerly found out that such game existed.
but when we speak in common we have to admit that it doesnt do good.
it does good in terms of earning money and im happy they do.
steam jetset radio is doing good on pc steam.
my statement really is that i see these videos on utube where people get hyped up over donic adv 2.
come on guys we played it on dreamcast back te back
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I rarely do this, but I don't this this deserves a topic and I might lock it or merge it. This is something that could just as easily be discussed in the SA2 or JSR threads.
Really, you're just saying that not all rereleases are worthwhile because we already played them. That makes no sense on so many levels: not everybody has their Dreamcast or original games anymore, some people want to experience games again in HD with certain issues fixed (see my JSR review), JSR's sales are proving that this sort of thing can be profitable for SEGA.
Nothing wrong with getting excited about an HD rerelease, especially when its looking like they'll be quality rereleases. It's like telling people to not get excited about Jaws on blu-ray because they already saw it on VHS.
Anyway, if this topic blows up with discussion I'll let it remain open, otherwise I think it's best to merge it with the JSR thread.
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I think it could be a worthy topic on its own. Re-releases have become more and more common over the past decade. Periodically I hear some people complain that they wouldn't spend money on games they've already got in some prior form in their collection, but the simple fact is that not everyone already has them. Also, when they're done well, as these new Sega Heritage releases seem to be, they bring a lot of new interest to the older titles. In particular, features like improved controls and the behind-the-scenes documentaries demonstrate that these are projects that have been undertaken with some care and respect for both the past and the present. And lastly, I think there is some hope (at least among the fans) that the re-releases will demonstrate that there is a market for continuing the series with new releases.
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If the right title are chosen then re-releases are a godsend.
Improved Graphics
Upgraded or Customizable Controls
No Disk Media required
I can only dream of a re-release of Burning Rangers and Gunvalkyrie. So I'm all for Sega Heritage.
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I think it could be a worthy topic on its own. Re-releases have become more and more common over the past decade. Periodically I hear some people complain that they wouldn't spend money on games they've already got in some prior form in their collection, but the simple fact is that not everyone already has them. Also, when they're done well, as these new Sega Heritage releases seem to be, they bring a lot of new interest to the older titles. In particular, features like improved controls and the behind-the-scenes documentaries demonstrate that these are projects that have been undertaken with some care and respect for both the past and the present. And lastly, I think there is some hope (at least among the fans) that the re-releases will demonstrate that there is a market for continuing the series with new releases.
those docs are easy to find on utube. the only difference is hd.
not much extra to it. i play sonic on dreamcast with just as much joy as hd. it doesnt add up dont you think?
instead of rereleasing which equals lazyness. the could bring out shenmue 3.
they launched all the yakuzas as well. hw much more is shenmue3.
i sense illogical strategys. but this is just so far i know from my lnowledge ofcourse i am not the major chief of sega
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Actually I think an HD Collection of the Shenmue games would garner interest in the series and could make way for Shenmue 3. I unfortunately have never played the Shenmue titles, but if SEGA ever re-released them with an HD upgrade I would be one of the first to buy it.
Like Barry pointed out semmie, some of us don't have a Dreamcast anymore and it's been years since I played Jet Set Radio. I've also never been able to play NiGHTS: Into Dreams so I am supremely excited for re-release as well. I wouldn't call what SEGA is doing lazy, because if Jet Set Radio HD is anything to go by they are putting real effort into these games in the Heritage Collection.
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Actually I think an HD Collection of the Shenmue games would garner interest in the series and could make way for Shenmue 3. I unfortunately have never played the Shenmue titles, but if SEGA ever re-released them with an HD upgrade I would be one of the first to buy it.
Like Barry pointed out semmie, some of us don't have a Dreamcast anymore and it's been years since I played Jet Set Radio. I've also never been able to play NiGHTS: Into Dreams so I am supremely excited for re-release as well. I wouldn't call what SEGA is doing lazy, because if Jet Set Radio HD is anything to go by they are putting real effort into these games in the Heritage Collection.
u have a point there. i allready agree that a hd version of yakuza and shenmue are worth since it is epic.
but as for the rest like the genesis genre. theyv done that so many times. and nowadays everybody knows them emulators . emulators homebrew work better then the ios official releases of sonic. which is not only a shame but the games also were released so many times. and no one even bothers anymore.
sega does not know when to stop you get me?
and dont get surprised when ps5 or xbox4000 comes out and then again ull see sonic adventure coming out wih sonic with a different tail.
really the message is when d they stop?
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People may have played x and y game during a certain time but they may have lost the game, sold the console etc so people will always have the need for a new version if circumstances requires them to do. The success of Ico, Ratchet, JSR etc re-releases shows as such, so does the continued success of say, Sonic 1 and 2 on mobile phones.
instead of rereleasing which equals lazyness. the could bring out shenmue 3.
they launched all the yakuzas as well. hw much more is shenmue3.
Re-released = a few hundred of thousands of pounds, if even that to re-release.
Shenmue 3 = Above and beyond $70 million to make in this day and age, perhaps even above $100 million.
It's not being lazy, it's business sense, SEGA does not have the resources or money to make a Shenmue 3 these days, Yakuza on the other hand, is a very successful and cheap in comparison to Shenmue. Infact I doubt there is many publishers willing to spend over $100 million for any franchise that will make only a million or two in sales. That sort of budget is saved for the likes of GTA, Call of Duty or any other series that can sell over 5 million copies in a short space of time.
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People may have played x and y game during a certain time but they may have lost the game, sold the console etc so people will always have the need for a new version if circumstances requires them to do. The success of Ico, Ratchet, JSR etc re-releases shows as such, so does the continued success of say, Sonic 1 and 2 on mobile phones.
Re-released = a few hundred of thousands of pounds, if even that to re-release.
Shenmue 3 = Above and beyond $70 million to make in this day and age, perhaps even above $100 million.
It's not being lazy, it's business sense, SEGA does not have the resources or money to make a Shenmue 3 these days, Yakuza on the other hand, is a very successful and cheap in comparison to Shenmue. Infact I doubt there is many publishers willing to spend over $100 million for any franchise that will make only a million or two in sales. That sort of budget is saved for the likes of GTA, Call of Duty or any other series that can sell over 5 million copies in a short space of time.
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when speaking about bussiness this is only a good strategy for a limited amount of time. the mass allready notices that sega is rereleasing over and over again.
2. the games that are re released ae not even made by the so called remakers(hd aint really remaking) tomb raider made a real remake.(just to use tomb raider 1 as example)
3. so the new so called developers are being given ranks and honor givings for something that was out for a long time.
4. yes there are many people that didnt play those games. but u can sense a rerelase coming soon AGAIN.
5. at the end of days sega has more re releases then really new games.
yakuza 5 is a part of previous yakuzas. rome total war is a part of the previous game. so is the sonic racing game. we get hyped up yeah. but when it comes down to it it is just like the previous part. sonic riders 1 was good all the others were sort of the same right?
6. ok lets not exagerate. as a sega fan i admire valkyria. resonane of fate. vanquish. binairy domain etc.
i dont wanna sound like sega is messing up
but lemme just say that sega should be open to critics.
i told this over and over again that we the sega fans are the most forgiving fans. you will never find a nintendo fan so die hard as a sega fan. i can tell.
but regardless that, sega should really get bck on track.
speaking against myself there is nothing wrong about next parts of a trilogy. like for example where is sonic adventure 3. i like that better then sonic heroes etc..
im getting off topic.
but rereleasing is just lame.
i only agree for shenmue and yakuza 1 and 2 cause it such a hyped up game that many peeps wanna play. but as for sa1 or sa2. and lets not forget sa1 should be shaming since u couldn t use the whole screen to play it. and on the dreamcast and gamecube u could.
i dont want no rereleases. just new games or next parts of a chain of succefull games
count out sonic 4 and his 2 episodes. that just aint sonic. y oh my i miss u genesis
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Why is it that all of a sudden you're attacking the notion that these are "remakes"?
A quick word search of this topic, and the only time the term "remake" is used (before this post) is in your own post attacking those who claim the HD rereleases are "remakes".
We all know these aren't remakes, nobody is claiming that they are, so now you're just arguing with yourself. Perhaps you read "remake" on another forum?
To go through your points:
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when speaking about bussiness this is only a good strategy for a limited amount of time. the mass allready notices that sega is rereleasing over and over again.
1. Totally disagree. Rereleases are a good business strategy if they are (A) done well and (B) done sparingly. I don't think SEGA is shooting their wad this year in regards to rereleases. We had the HotD rereleases earlier this year, in Summer we had the Vintage Collections, and in the Fall we have the Heritage titles. All of these were done very well and they have been released at a nice pace. I don't think "the masses" are tired of this, and if they ARE noticing a trend of quality rereleases from SEGA, I'd say this is a good thing.
2. the games that are re released ae not even made by the so called remakers(hd aint really remaking) tomb raider made a real remake.(just to use tomb raider 1 as example)
2. Ignoring this, since it is the "remake" argument that does not exist.
3. so the new so called developers are being given ranks and honor givings for something that was out for a long time.
3. First off, I had no clue we had insider knowledge of how the dev teams rereleasing these titles are being treated within SEGA. Are they being given "ranks and honors"? Hell, given the quality of these rereleases I say they deserve the praise and SEGA should have a team/teams dedicated to giving us quality rereleases. Next year I want more Vintage Collections (we know Toe Jam & Earl is coming) as well as three more Hertiage titles. My fingers are crossed for a Saturn title (Burning Rangers? Panzer Dragoon 1&2?), Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia.
4. yes there are many people that didnt play those games. but u can sense a rerelase coming soon AGAIN.
4. This point makes no sense to me. So "yes there are people that didnt play the releases", but they know that more are on the way? How is that a negative? The rereleases have potential buyers who have never played the titles, those potential buyers hear from fellow SEGA fans that the rereleases are being handled well, and they know more are on the way. Those are all positives.
5. at the end of days sega has more re releases then really new games.
yakuza 5 is a part of previous yakuzas. rome total war is a part of the previous game. so is the sonic racing game. we get hyped up yeah. but when it comes down to it it is just like the previous part. sonic riders 1 was good all the others were sort of the same right?
5. Yup! And you know why? Because rereleases cost less than new titles. Of course we are still getting new titles, but no they are not 1:1 with the rereleases, nor should they be. I'd prefer a handful of really good new titles and a bunch of really good rereleases to a bunch of so-so new titles and a handful of rereleases. There are more DVDs and blu-rays released every year than there are new movies in theaters, but this is not a negative.
6. ok lets not exagerate. as a sega fan i admire valkyria. resonane of fate. vanquish. binairy domain etc.
i dont wanna sound like sega is messing up
6. Thats great if you love those games, I love some of them too. But they have nothing to do with the rereleases.
like for example where is sonic adventure 3. i like that better then sonic heroes etc..
This is a completely different topic, but I think the "we want SA3! Where is SA3!" is complete bullshit. Sonic had numerous 3D titles since SA2, many of which were SA3 all but in name. Releasing a title NOW that is SA3 would make no sense at all. The series continued since SA2, unlike other SEGA IPs that have yet to have any new titles. SA3 doesn't exist and should never exist because we already had Heroes, Shadow, '06, Unleashed, Colors and Generations. The core concepts of SA1&2 continued on in all of those titles. If Chao gardens, treasure hinting and mech shooters are why people want an SA3, I say they need to find another series. Because Sonic is none of those things, and I cannot see the series bringing those concepts back.
and lets not forget sa1 should be shaming since u couldn t use the whole screen to play it. and on the dreamcast and gamecube u could.
I agree that SA1's rerelease lacking widescreen hurt it. I hated that it lacked that. But the Dreamcast and Gamecube versions were 4:3 just like the rerelease of SA1. "Filling the screen" is not the same as the term "widescreen".
i dont want no rereleases. just new games or next parts of a chain of succefull games
SEGA can't function like that, and rereleases are a great way to get SEGA some easy, but well deserved, money. Would you rather SEGA bleed themselves dry pushing out countless new IPs and sequels to niche titles, many of which will never sell well. Or SEGA give us great rereleases, a handful of great new titles, and trim the fat that are licensed shit like Golden Compass, Marvel titles and shitty titles like Conduit and Alpha Protocol.
count out sonic 4 and his 2 episodes. that just aint sonic. y oh my i miss u genesis
Another argument for a different thread, these are digital titles but are not relreleases. Love them or hate them (I enjoyed Ep I well enough and really liked Ep II) these ARE the sequels and are new titles from SEGA. we'll have to wait and see where SEGA goes with titles like Sonic 4. Either an episode 3 and a new Ecco are on the way in this format, or they'll end it with Ep II and leave the digital realm to rereleases and third party games like Hell Yeah.
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Why is it that all of a sudden you're attacking the notion that these are "remakes"?
A quick word search of this topic, and the only time the term "remake" is used (before this post) is in your own post attacking those who claim the HD rereleases are "remakes".
We all know these aren't remakes, nobody is claiming that they are, so now you're just arguing with yourself. Perhaps you read "remake" on another forum?
To go through your points:
1. Totally disagree. Rereleases are a good business strategy if they are (A) done well and (B) done sparingly. I don't think SEGA is shooting their wad this year in regards to rereleases. We had the HotD rereleases earlier this year, in Summer we had the Vintage Collections, and in the Fall we have the Heritage titles. All of these were done very well and they have been released at a nice pace. I don't think "the masses" are tired of this, and if they ARE noticing a trend of quality rereleases from SEGA, I'd say this is a good thing.
2. Ignoring this, since it is the "remake" argument that does not exist.
3. First off, I had no clue we had insider knowledge of how the dev teams rereleasing these titles are being treated within SEGA. Are they being given "ranks and honors"? Hell, given the quality of these rereleases I say they deserve the praise and SEGA should have a team/teams dedicated to giving us quality rereleases. Next year I want more Vintage Collections (we know Toe Jam & Earl is coming) as well as three more Hertiage titles. My fingers are crossed for a Saturn title (Burning Rangers? Panzer Dragoon 1&2?), Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia.
4. This point makes no sense to me. So "yes there are people that didnt play the releases", but they know that more are on the way? How is that a negative? The rereleases have potential buyers who have never played the titles, those potential buyers hear from fellow SEGA fans that the rereleases are being handled well, and they know more are on the way. Those are all positives.
5. Yup! And you know why? Because rereleases cost less than new titles. Of course we are still getting new titles, but no they are not 1:1 with the rereleases, nor should they be. I'd prefer a handful of really good new titles and a bunch of really good rereleases to a bunch of so-so new titles and a handful of rereleases. There are more DVDs and blu-rays released every year than there are new movies in theaters, but this is not a negative.
6. Thats great if you love those games, I love some of them too. But they have nothing to do with the rereleases.
This is a completely different topic, but I think the "we want SA3! Where is SA3!" is complete bullshit. Sonic had numerous 3D titles since SA2, many of which were SA3 all but in name. Releasing a title NOW that is SA3 would make no sense at all. The series continued since SA2, unlike other SEGA IPs that have yet to have any new titles. SA3 doesn't exist and should never exist because we already had Heroes, Shadow, '06, Unleashed, Colors and Generations. The core concepts of SA1&2 continued on in all of those titles. If Chao gardens, treasure hinting and mech shooters are why people want an SA3, I say they need to find another series. Because Sonic is none of those things, and I cannot see the series bringing those concepts back.
I agree that SA1's rerelease lacking widescreen hurt it. I hated that it lacked that. But the Dreamcast and Gamecube versions were 4:3 just like the rerelease of SA1. "Filling the screen" is not the same as the term "widescreen".
SEGA can't function like that, and rereleases are a great way to get SEGA some easy, but well deserved, money. Would you rather SEGA bleed themselves dry pushing out countless new IPs and sequels to niche titles, many of which will never sell well. Or SEGA give us great rereleases, a handful of great new titles, and trim the fat that are licensed shit like Golden Compass, Marvel titles and shitty titles like Conduit and Alpha Protocol.
Another argument for a different thread, these are digital titles but are not relreleases. Love them or hate them (I enjoyed Ep I well enough and really liked Ep II) these ARE the sequels and are new titles from SEGA. we'll have to wait and see where SEGA goes with titles like Sonic 4. Either an episode 3 and a new Ecco are on the way in this format, or they'll end it with Ep II and leave the digital realm to rereleases and third party games like Hell Yeah.
without saying to much. most of the time you were right. and the way i talk has always been like that. sometimes i just stray away from the original topic. but my message stands. re releasing over and over again is just lame.
do u se those mofo,s of crash bandicoor releasin cras1 2 3 again?
do u see mario doing such a thing. a game needs to maintain his originality. yes there are occasions like yakuza shenmue jsr. but the fear again is the exploitation of these games.
and sorry it just aint right to make a press conference for sa2. that is just ridiculous
then agian im a sega fan dont get it wrong. this is just an inside circle critic given to my fellow sega billy boys
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without saying to much. most of the time you were right. and the way i talk has always been like that. sometimes i just stray away from the original topic. but my message stands. re releasing over and over again is just lame.
do u se those mofo,s of crash bandicoor releasin cras1 2 3 again?
do u see mario doing such a thing. a game needs to maintain his originality. yes there are occasions like yakuza shenmue jsr. but the fear again is the exploitation of these games.
and sorry it just aint right to make a press conference for sa2. that is just ridiculous
then agian im a sega fan dont get it wrong. this is just an inside circle critic given to my fellow sega billy boys
I don't know much about Crash Bandicoot, but I'm certain that if it got an HD, widescreen rerelease it would sell very well. Crach may not have had rereleases, but a ton of other publishers do it. This isn't something exclusive to SEGA. EA does it a lot, Sony does it a lot, Nintendo does it on the Virtual Console and via anniversary releases like Kirby and Mario. I'd argue, however, that SEGA has moved towards the top tier of rerelease quality. These aren't ROMs, they're proper ports with tune ups and adjustments. Look at Sega Rally Online Arcade, After Burner Climax, Daytona USA and Outrun Online Arcade. Those are all rereleases and they kick serious ass. I would love to see more of those, more Vintage Collection and more Heritage Collection. If the games are good, and the quality of the ports is high, then I'm all for it.
As for a Sonic Adventure 2 press conference, that never happened unless there is an event that I'm unaware of. All I can think of are press releases (way different than a conference), demos at conventions and trade shows and the teaser shown at Sonic Boom, which was a proper Sonic event and the teaser itself was simply a bonus for the night. None of this was elaborate, and it was equal to the press any other game has received, rerelease or otherwise.
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My two pennies, You both have good points but Semmie, your argument isn't really thought out and you're looking through a fans eyes, Barry, your argument is thought out but you too are looking at a fans eyes.
Do Sega rerelease a lot? Yes in my opinion but why do they? Simply as Barry said buisness acumen. A company like Sega will look at new markets and the sales data on the systems that they are currently making titles for. Now each system sales boost will automatically mean new users and that's what they would be going after(whatever the reason why a system has had a boost in sales is irrevalvent) Now each modern system will have an online service and Sega will check the data to see how many new users have signed up on it and they would act accordingly. So now we have old games released on the online services of whatever system you own.
Now there's been a port of a Sega game on nearly every Sony Microsoft and Nintendo system since Sega became a third party in 2002 and even before that. At each event the games released on for example that system were for those users for that generation. Previously they were all released on disc format, this gen its all downloads. Then of course the phones markets are now huge and theres a chance many people haven't played these games before but are downloading games to play on their phone. As Barry said some of these games are quite good sellers and we may see Sega cashing in on that when they decide to create or publish new games based on classic games like ECCO or TOE JAM AND EARL.
Another part of it concerning the DC titles is that some of these games were expensive to make in the first place and a lot of them didn't make their investment back on the engine designed to create these games. So it makes sense to rerelease some of these DC titles to get back some investment but of course they have to touch them up a bit like what were seeing with the HD release. In some cases there could even be corrections like if the first YAKUZA game was released there's a possibility that if released here they will go with the subtitle version to fit in with the other games rather than the hollywood cast version that dented the first game.(mainly because of repeat fees but we will see if that comes to pass or not)
My problem is that Sega sometimes lacks imagination when it comes to some rereleases or better yet ports. HOUSE OF THE DEAD 2 has had so many versions and ports, and so has the third title. I'd like to see another port of the first HOTD game besides that brave attempt of one for the saturn and the rubbish PC version. Rerelease titles that never came out in the west like SHINING FORCE 3(but they'll need Camelot's co operation for that)or the SEGA AGES 2500 series like the PHANTASY STAR GENERATION 1 and 2 games. For a company that has a reputation of spearheading technology and innovative games, Sega has always been a company very reserved and conservative to what they make available to fans outside of Japan. In this day and age that doesn't really make sense anymore since half the game si'm talking about isnt a game that would be lost in translation via culture differences like HOTD mobile games and others that could easliy be transfered to the west. I just hope sega does things a bit different this time.
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yes i am talking like a fan. but that is actually an important factor.
sega was known as the inovator. and still is. the rereleases dont neccessary fuck up the whole deal (excuse me my language).
but the reason why i talk full of concerns that it happend back to back.
do yu actuallt know how happy i am when vanquish came out or binairy? and sadly those games are becoming an occasion. just look at us rojm.
we used to enjoy the new games.
but while talking about sega i figured out that these days getting good games is hard.
to stray from the path again
assassins creed one was cool. so was 2 ok then the repetetive began.
final fantasy 13 and 13 2 are so lame in comparison with 7
binairy domain is kinda like vanquish. all fps are like the same. and even the science fiction ones kinda copy the halo style in some ways.
being lucky you could go one generation back and play dreamfall the journey.
and that is when things become excited.
skies of arcadia
shenmue
phantasy star 4 genesis
crusader centy.
these games were totally of the hook. but you dont see a secons part.
so tell me is it just me being a fan. or am i just talking the truth
come on get of of it. just think of it.
and then we see all those re releases. ok yeah its good but think of it in a long term.
it cant last like this.
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yes i am talking like a fan. but that is actually an important factor.
sega was known as the inovator. and still is. the rereleases dont neccessary fuck up the whole deal (excuse me my language).
but the reason why i talk full of concerns that it happend back to back.
do yu actuallt know how happy i am when vanquish came out or binairy? and sadly those games are becoming an occasion. just look at us rojm.
we used to enjoy the new games.
but while talking about sega i figured out that these days getting good games is hard.
to stray from the path again
assassins creed one was cool. so was 2 ok then the repetetive began.
final fantasy 13 and 13 2 are so lame in comparison with 7
binairy domain is kinda like vanquish. all fps are like the same. and even the science fiction ones kinda copy the halo style in some ways.
being lucky you could go one generation back and play dreamfall the journey.
and that is when things become excited.
skies of arcadia
shenmue
phantasy star 4 genesis
crusader centy.
these games were totally of the hook. but you dont see a secons part.
so tell me is it just me being a fan. or am i just talking the truth
come on get of of it. just think of it.
and then we see all those re releases. ok yeah its good but think of it in a long term.
it cant last like this.
As i said before you are looking through a fans eyes in the sense you are both looking at it how it relates to you not to how it relates buisness wise to Sega. For example BaryNomad mentioned he hasn't or many people dont have the systems that these games originally appeared on anymore, so he needs to replace them especially when you consider that many of sega systems particularly the CD based ones break down easily, any Sega gamer that still is around would want them replaced or play an old classic using modern tech like HD. You however are seeing it as release after release of old games. But if you have been keeping up with Sega as a third party you'd be use to that because of the rerelaeases in the form of compilations, collections and now digital. Well the point is not everyone keeps up with Sega and the games were talking about are really spread across two generations of consoles and now the digital generation of systems where the liklihood is that many new customers and users would have brought those systems and may never have played Sega games. So it makes buisness sense to release these titles no and again. But because you've seen them release with every generation you're over exagerrating the situation of the rereleases. Its not like Sega has never done this before when they had their own systems or did the SEGA AGES series pass you by? And dont mention the DC because to my recollection this would really be the second time Sega has raided the DC libary in a collection format, and judging from the first o0ne they needed to redo it again. None of the rereleases are overshadowing their current new releases, they never have and they never will. You do know the team behind JSR HD game is behind the new title called DEMON TRIBES, right? I'd be more concerned that Sega wants to pass crummy IOS games as the majority of their release schedule instead of proper systems.
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Almost all of the games I still play on my Xbox360 are releases at this point. I love re-releases... If updated well and improved with new controls, graphics and other bonuses there's nothing wrong with that.
Some of the most fun I've had gaming in recent years was the release of Daytona USA for XBLA, playing online against others was just so much fun.
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Almost all of the games I still play on my Xbox360 are releases at this point. I love re-releases... If updated well and improved with new controls, graphics and other bonuses there's nothing wrong with that.
Some of the most fun I've had gaming in recent years was the release of Daytona USA for XBLA, playing online against others was just so much fun.
if that is the reason u like re releases. nd excuse me no disrespecting. but you are being faked with a fake lolliepop. other controls and being hd shouldnt be a reason to get hyped.
ok yeah so let us just say sonic 1 2 3 nd knuckles and 3d and allah that and sonic cd yeah. and all those games come in a re release. but instead it is not only hd. but they gove u freaking 12 zones added and each of them with 3 stages. and ofcourse sprites the same but background more updated. same fysics. what commotion that would be. peope would claim a cd instead of downloading it.
or another re release ecco the dolpin of the dreamcast. with full 3d compatibility. like you are actually really n water. and i m not talking bout topaz 3d. but reald3d. see whats happening
but know its all about hd and other controls.
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semmie, is it at all possible to type a little more coherently? I know the forums don't have a strict grammar policy like some other forums, but it would help if you spelled out words and used punctuation.
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I see no problem with re-releases other than the fact that it's painful to see childhood classics "reviewed" by philistines.
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semmie, is it at all possible to type a little more coherently? I know the forums don't have a strict grammar policy like some other forums, but it would help if you spelled out words and used punctuation.
You're just mad because you got faked by a fake lollipop. Can't you see that Sega should make Shenmue 4 instead of Donic Adventure 2 again?
This whole situation is bard as fuck.
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Bard as fuck was INTENTIONAL!!
But you make good point with the lollipop...
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laught about it. think about it.
all we have is being nostalgic. and the future is exciting and also fearsome.
speak after 10 years if these re releases go forth
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Sorry, were not up to speed with the hip hop talk, yo. ;)
I do agree with your fear but it isn't in the re releases/ports that you should be worried about.
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Sorry, were not up to speed with the hip hop talk, yo. ;)
I do agree with your fear but it isn't in the re releases/ports that you should be worried about.
what is it i should worry about rojm
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We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And Sega making shit games.
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We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And Sega making shit games.
especially knowing about lumber jack just makes me sad.
take bayonetta for instance. good game and profitable as said on the forum and gamers sites.
they sold out.
sega is being silently greedy. spill money like a freaking miljardair billionair. how come they can not maintain bayonetta 2 while it being profitable.
wait until u hear disturbing stuff such as we can not continue yakuza 7 cause it is profitable but to expensive to make.
oh yeah you know what lets sell re releases and if we have money we will make a game wit 6 parts two of them made by us and then we will sell them out to other developers.
sadly this is the routine within the sega company.
streets of rage remake was so good yet they didnt hire them but sew and block plus forbid them to keep it on sites.
sonic cd on ios the physics rebuild but only hired for that specific sonic cd.
if u ask me.
sega does not recoggnise talent. they only see statistics and money. and because of that they lost skills.
its like when people sing and get famous they dont get better but start to live in a safe circle. but ofcourse we know in reality its not safe. sega should follow my tencommandmends i wrote
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sonic cd on ios the physics rebuild but only hired for that specific sonic cd.
if u ask me.
sega does not recoggnise talent. they only see statistics and money. and because of that they lost skills.
SEGA is ultimately trying to make money, but I would have to disagree about them not recognizing talent. That excellent Sonic CD re-release from last year was fine-tuned by a talented individual who SEGA wanted to help with the game. I'm sure they saw lots of talent in Platinum Games. SEGA's marketing for those titles wasn't the best but that's another discussion entirely. I honestly believe that SEGA recognizes more talent and allows for more creative freedom than most publishers.
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Jack Lumber is a good game! Don't knock games til you've tried them.
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I like rereleases.
I love playing games on my Dreamcast and Saturn. But between spending 40 bucks on the DC version of SA2 or 8 bucks on the PS3, PS3 all the way.
I don't buy HD releases of games I already own. But games I was looking for already I slurp 'em all up in a jiffy (wow that sounded unnecessarily nasty)
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especially knowing about lumber jack just makes me sad.
take bayonetta for instance. good game and profitable as said on the forum and gamers sites.
they sold out.
sega is being silently greedy. spill money like a freaking miljardair billionair. how come they can not maintain bayonetta 2 while it being profitable.
wait until u hear disturbing stuff such as we can not continue yakuza 7 cause it is profitable but to expensive to make.
oh yeah you know what lets sell re releases and if we have money we will make a game wit 6 parts two of them made by us and then we will sell them out to other developers.
sadly this is the routine within the sega company.
streets of rage remake was so good yet they didnt hire them but sew and block plus forbid them to keep it on sites.
sonic cd on ios the physics rebuild but only hired for that specific sonic cd.
if u ask me.
sega does not recoggnise talent. they only see statistics and money. and because of that they lost skills.
its like when people sing and get famous they dont get better but start to live in a safe circle. but ofcourse we know in reality its not safe. sega should follow my tencommandmends i wrote
Because semmie for the upteenth time, Sega LOST more money then they were bringing in. BAYONETTA happened nearly three years ago now. Their consumer division hasn't been as succesful as a whole since then. The last one they lost too much that they can no longer sustain the operation as its currently/was in. How can you be greedy when you got no frigging money? Remember when that happened when they were losing money more than they were bringing in and they changed their entire buisnes model? Yes it was called the end of the DreamCast. Now were possibly seeing the end of Sega as a package format company. But rereleases has nothing to do with them being succesful or failing as a company, the DC didn't have that many rereleases, and the rereleases now as was pointed out to you are games spread over two generations of game systems. Now they are going digital and mobile phones. If you'd been around since 2001 then you'd se all that but dont over exaggerate about the rereleases when it is a minor thing and still is.
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Because semmie for the upteenth time, Sega LOST more money then they were bringing in. BAYONETTA happened nearly three years ago now. Their consumer division hasn't been as succesful as a whole since then. The last one they lost too much that they can no longer sustain the operation as its currently/was in. How can you be greedy when you got no frigging money? Remember when that happened when they were losing money more than they were bringing in and they changed their entire buisnes model? Yes it was called the end of the DreamCast. Now were possibly seeing the end of Sega as a package format company. But rereleases has nothing to do with them being succesful or failing as a company, the DC didn't have that many rereleases, and the rereleases now as was pointed out to you are games spread over two generations of game systems. Now they are going digital and mobile phones. If you'd been around since 2001 then you'd se all that but dont over exaggerate about the rereleases when it is a minor thing and still is.
RoJM my fellow sega main man.
it depends on what you describe as a negative. i think its negative to keep talking about the losses. as all those gamemakers nowadays make huge losses. and sega now as big gamemakers organisation ofcourse losses money as well.
but there is no denial that it makes more mobney then losses. otherwise the base can not be sustained.
sega makes mixed up mistakes. and there is no doubt about it.
so let us talk about the main diseases in the company
1. there are many leechers in the sega company. in a normal enterprise the pyramid has only one leader.
we all know the free masonic pyramid.(so visualise) sega has a great issue that her company has more leaders then antworkers. because of this there is contradiction in opinions in the midst.( we all know there is only one god. the trinity is a lie cause god does not need jesus as a god or as a son) this is also in the companys they all have their own intentional agenda. and unfortunately the big chiefs cant really be fired unless the greatest does so.
as a result of wrong management the workers get fired so that the leeching progress can be compensated.
2. sega is too carfull. i mean litteraly in combination with the leeching process of the big chiefs up high there is the other disease of being t00000000 carefull. they are s affraid of making games that most of the time they spectate so long that the game runs away to another company.
take fighting force for example. that game was originally streets of rage 3d.( i have the prototype on the saturn) this game was so long on the shelves that the mofos decided to give the game to psx. and even tho the game may have changed the name into fighting force it sold damn well.(keep fighting force 2 aside pls thats another discussion)
so sega is from now very carefull of even being inovative and suffers the disease to copycat sometimes. not always . but it happens more then before.
3. which refers to number 1. as a result of the intense leeching of the judas amidst the great company sega. the cancer amongst the truthful ones. the re releases found their base on every console handheld and phones. it was soon known that those re releases are a great profitable merch.which is not wrong at all. but the great threath in this that sega does this to much. you wont see super mario bros 1 on any psn or xboxlive etc. and sega allready blurred the original games into some kind of standard that is not that appreciated anymore. ofcourse this also refers to number 2 of being to carefull.
4. and at last lets get to a positive but unfortunately a sad and negative end in my debate or reply to you my fellow sega member.
sega does make good games
sega is inovative
i love sega.
in the past and now
but the cruel treatment to the most forgiving fan base in the whole world we are being neglected. the fan base is more then 7 million. sega knows well that she could make new games and console for us. yet it doesnt. dc sold more then 7 million units. and it could grow larger by day with the new generation coming soon. yet it sells of bayonetta. we could easily wait one more year for that game t come. people waited for devil may cry 4 for so long. great games great past great sales anyway.
we also see that with re releases as much as i hate this disease. sega knew why she did it. cause the games were great. focus on WERE.
the future can be bright. after saying all this i stay optimistic. i hope sega does it again.
from casino slots rosen enterprises to a real commercial sms console.
they got guts back then. bring it back
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it depends on what you describe as a negative. i think its negative to keep talking about the losses. as all those gamemakers nowadays make huge losses. and sega now as big gamemakers organisation ofcourse losses money as well.
They're making more losses than gains. Ever taught the basis of economics?
but there is no denial that it makes more mobney then losses. otherwise the base can not be sustained.
Not according to any financial reports. Sega lost on R and D development, Operating income and profits were down which ADDED to the economic situation in Japan and the west hit this company pretty badly.
2. sega is too carfull. i mean litteraly in combination with the leeching process of the big chiefs up high there is the other disease of being t00000000 carefull. they are s affraid of making games that most of the time they spectate so long that the game runs away to another company.
take fighting force for example. that game was originally streets of rage 3d.( i have the prototype on the saturn) this game was so long on the shelves that the mofos decided to give the game to psx. and even tho the game may have changed the name into fighting force it sold damn well.(keep fighting force 2 aside pls thats another discussion)
so sega is from now very carefull of even being inovative and suffers the disease to copycat sometimes. not always . but it happens more then before.
Your obviously new to Sega. FF is old news amongst many here and if that was sold as a RAGE game it would have been the end of the franchise there and then. You're using the PSX as an example of a Sega mistake? Puhlease half the people that owned that system didn't have a clue about buying games let alone good ones with the examples of many Sega type rip offs that dominated the system during its early years and selling like hot cakes. Its like saying sega should have hired the people that did demolition derby for PSX and slapped Daytona carnage because it sold well. The Sega gamer back then and the PSX gamer back then were too different types of gamers,Sega gamers would n't have tolerated that type of pap from sega if they did that and PSX owners wouldn't have the skills to play those type of games hench the reason that they got sega lite games like Toshinden, which was quite big at the time. Funny how those pretenders aren't around any more eh. And you are seriously using Fighting Force as an example,trying to teach us something most of us know and expect me to take you seriously as a Sega fan? ;D
3. which refers to number 1. as a result of the intense leeching of the judas amidst the great company sega. the cancer amongst the truthful ones. the re releases found their base on every console handheld and phones. it was soon known that those re releases are a great profitable merch.which is not wrong at all. but the great threath in this that sega does this to much. you wont see super mario bros 1 on any psn or xboxlive etc. and sega allready blurred the original games into some kind of standard that is not that appreciated anymore. ofcourse this also refers to number 2 of being to carefull.
And you know this because you've taken a poll?
but the cruel treatment to the most forgiving fan base in the whole world we are being neglected. the fan base is more then 7 million. sega knows well that she could make new games and console for us. yet it doesnt. dc sold more then 7 million units. and it could grow larger by day with the new generation coming soon. yet it sells of bayonetta. we could easily wait one more year for that game t come. people waited for devil may cry 4 for so long. great games great past great sales anyway.
we also see that with re releases as much as i hate this disease. sega knew why she did it. cause the games were great. focus on WERE.
Again your maths are wrong. The Sega base isn't 7 million, and even if it were you need a whole lot more than that number to launch and sustain a game system. Again its obvious you have no iota about the games industry let alone Sega. Do you even know how much it even costs to design and create a game system in today's enviroment/ it was a LOT of millions back in the nineties, nowadays its a whole lot more than that. Why do you think Nintendo, one of the richest companies have effectivly given the market a new system that is technically part of this year's crop of systems. Because it willl be expensive for them to keep up with the Microsoft and Sony truly next gen systems. The Wii was a gamecube 2.0, its selling point was the controls, which alone cost a few mil to develop, test and get it right but why do you think they based it on the gamecube's technical abilities? because nintendo lost an investment with that system, it didn't make enough to pay for its investment and so effectivly took a gamble to use that hardware for a new system which not only paied off but effectivly paid off the investment on the Gamecube tech in the first place. And you think bringing a sega system in that enviroment is going to save Sega? Sega can't afford to take that risk. They have no money to do it and even if they did they would automatically lose by being outspent by there three competitors on marketing and other such things. Most of all theres no guarantee they would get a third party to back them(remeber that, kinda important thing for consoles ;)Sega can't afford to finance BAYONETTA 2 which is effectivly a second party Sega game. So how in hell do you think they have the money to spend on creating a new games console?
the future can be bright. after saying all this i stay optimistic. i hope sega does it again.
from casino slots rosen enterprises to a real commercial sms console.
they got guts back then. bring it back
And i think you need to get a reality check. Actually read the reports and study about Sega's fnancial situation, the game industury to formulate and m,ake a coherent argument. Stop generalising on a subject you have little knowledge of and stick to the topic since this has NOTHING to do with re releases. ::)
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They're making more losses than gains. Ever taught the basis of economics?
Not according to any financial reports. Sega lost on R and D development, Operating income and profits were down which ADDED to the economic situation in Japan and the west hit this company pretty badly.
Your obviously new to Sega. FF is old news amongst many here and if that was sold as a RAGE game it would have been the end of the franchise there and then. You're using the PSX as an example of a Sega mistake? Puhlease half the people that owned that system didn't have a clue about buying games let alone good ones with the examples of many Sega type rip offs that dominated the system during its early years and selling like hot cakes. Its like saying sega should have hired the people that did demolition derby for PSX and slapped Daytona carnage because it sold well. The Sega gamer back then and the PSX gamer back then were too different types of gamers,Sega gamers would n't have tolerated that type of pap from sega if they did that and PSX owners wouldn't have the skills to play those type of games hench the reason that they got sega lite games like Toshinden, which was quite big at the time. Funny how those pretenders aren't around any more eh. And you are seriously using Fighting Force as an example,trying to teach us something most of us know and expect me to take you seriously as a Sega fan? ;D
And you know this because you've taken a poll?
Again your maths are wrong. The Sega base isn't 7 million, and even if it were you need a whole lot more than that number to launch and sustain a game system. Again its obvious you have no iota about the games industry let alone Sega. Do you even know how much it even costs to design and create a game system in today's enviroment/ it was a LOT of millions back in the nineties, nowadays its a whole lot more than that. Why do you think Nintendo, one of the richest companies have effectivly given the market a new system that is technically part of this year's crop of systems. Because it willl be expensive for them to keep up with the Microsoft and Sony truly next gen systems. The Wii was a gamecube 2.0, its selling point was the controls, which alone cost a few mil to develop, test and get it right but why do you think they based it on the gamecube's technical abilities? because nintendo lost an investment with that system, it didn't make enough to pay for its investment and so effectivly took a gamble to use that hardware for a new system which not only paied off but effectivly paid off the investment on the Gamecube tech in the first place. And you think bringing a sega system in that enviroment is going to save Sega? Sega can't afford to take that risk. They have no money to do it and even if they did they would automatically lose by being outspent by there three competitors on marketing and other such things. Most of all theres no guarantee they would get a third party to back them(remeber that, kinda important thing for consoles ;)Sega can't afford to finance BAYONETTA 2 which is effectivly a second party Sega game. So how in hell do you think they have the money to spend on creating a new games console?
And i think you need to get a reality check. Actually read the reports and study about Sega's fnancial situation, the game industury to formulate and m,ake a coherent argument. Stop generalising on a subject you have little knowledge of and stick to the topic since this has NOTHING to do with re releases. ::)
im not new to sega obviously. and many of ur debate points were based on opinion while others on facts. but your facts and mines are merely but statistics in the ups and downs of sega.
will answer u more later im at work
just find out a bit sad u telling me im not to be taken seriously. i wrote the possibility of a new sega console.
im really down with sega.
ur problem is that u defend it regardless. and so do i.
but where u and i differ is that i at least acknowledge truth. if u followed sega from at least master system u,d notice that sega had good and bad times. and in the present we have much bs going on. yet you talk about statistics.
more over the ff example is one out of many.and i knew that. but it was just to make a point.
psx did what genesis did. i hate sony to death. but the odds is that nowadays sega games are actually on ps3. binairy domain. and this is the hard truth ROJM
btw i appreciate your reply thx
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im not new to sega obviously. and many of ur debate points were based on opinion while others on facts. but your facts and mines are merely but statistics in the ups and downs of sega.
will answer u more later im at work
just find out a bit sad u telling me im not to be taken seriously. i wrote the possibility of a new sega console.
im really down with sega.
ur problem is that u defend it regardless. and so do i.
but where u and i differ is that i at least acknowledge truth. if u followed sega from at least master system u,d notice that sega had good and bad times. and in the present we have much bs going on. yet you talk about statistics.
more over the ff example is one out of many.and i knew that. but it was just to make a point.
psx did what genesis did. i hate sony to death. but the odds is that nowadays sega games are actually on ps3. binairy domain. and this is the hard truth ROJM
btw i appreciate your reply thx
You mean you're still at school and cant get to a computer? Joking aside, i'm not stating opinion, its a cold fact. You haven't acknowledge any truth put to you, your arguments aren't thought out, your knowledge is very limited when it comes to the games industry and how it works financially, spouting i had a master system doesn't cut it around here, I had an SG 1000. My fish is bigger than yours and all that maloney, its bull. If you are as sega as they come you'd be more like me and stick to the arcades which i've been doing for a while now. I dont care as much for the consumer side of things but i wouldn't wan t it to die as its been an important part of sega since the megadrive really and their troubles are tied to that division.The reality is that Sega has no money. I'm not saying that, Sega are saying that. Now you can stick your head in the ground and wish for a new console but it wont happen so go to the arcades.But of course the arcades aren't as popular as they use to be which i understand.
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If you are as sega pompous as they come you'd be more like me and stick to the arcades which i've been doing for a while now.
Fixed that for ya buddy.
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Im a F**d up buddy.
;) So did I.
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You mean you're still at school and cant get to a computer? Joking aside, i'm not stating opinion, its a cold fact. You haven't acknowledge any truth put to you, your arguments aren't thought out, your knowledge is very limited when it comes to the games industry and how it works financially, spouting i had a master system doesn't cut it around here, I had an SG 1000. My fish is bigger than yours and all that maloney, its bull. If you are as sega as they come you'd be more like me and stick to the arcades which i've been doing for a while now. I dont care as much for the consumer side of things but i wouldn't wan t it to die as its been an important part of sega since the megadrive really and their troubles are tied to that division.The reality is that Sega has no money. I'm not saying that, Sega are saying that. Now you can stick your head in the ground and wish for a new console but it wont happen so go to the arcades.But of course the arcades aren't as popular as they use to be which i understand.
dude when u were in high school i was destroying guys at kickboxing. i never had a sg1000 but i did have commodore 64. being a sega fan isnt about where you start. but what is in the heart. all i said so far was a fact mixed up with feelings and emotions. moreover i didnt even have sg1000 or ms1 i started with sms2 with alex kidd included. if u want to be the hilbilly sayin ye got mor consoles ok ill give you that.
emotions aside.
your not really helpfull. what a strange kind of talking
me:
im being negative.
-i come with plans and solutions to the future
yt at the same time even tho im negative i stay optimistic and refuse that sega is put on check.
you:
mister knows it all and the rest doesnt
sega has no money
sega is done
and when i look at me and u. then the real enemy is your inner me
ROJM im being cool with you seriously. reconsider your look
we know the statistics: it wont help us
we know the pas: it is done allready
we know the present: ???? has no money or has money????
but the important thing is dont close possibilitys. cause sega can be all that.
in some ways you allready gave me right while trying hard to prove me wrong.
yeah answer that
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dude when u were in high school i was destroying guys at kickboxing. i never had a sg1000 but i did have commodore 64. being a sega fan isnt about where you start. but what is in the heart. all i said so far was a fact mixed up with feelings and emotions. moreover i didnt even have sg1000 or ms1 i started with sms2 with alex kidd included. if u want to be the hilbilly sayin ye got mor consoles ok ill give you that.
emotions aside.
your not really helpfull. what a strange kind of talking
me:
im being negative.
-i come with plans and solutions to the future
yt at the same time even tho im negative i stay optimistic and refuse that sega is put on check.
you:
mister knows it all and the rest doesnt
sega has no money
sega is done
and when i look at me and u. then the real enemy is your inner me
ROJM im being cool with you seriously. reconsider your look
we know the statistics: it wont help us
we know the pas: it is done allready
we know the present: ???? has no money or has money????
but the important thing is dont close possibilitys. cause sega can be all that.
in some ways you allready gave me right while trying hard to prove me wrong.
yeah answer that
In highschool playing kickboxing huh? Diffulcult when you obviously weren't born yet when that game came out. If you're going to insult me, use an original put down not something inspired by me ok, kid? ;)
Now all you've just given so far is hear say and no real points and nothing no evidence to back it up. That's what's becoming frustrating and irritating because you dont even address the points raised to you. its also hard to even comprehend what you are trying to say so you are either still in school of some sort.
The topic needs to be locked anyway because you were originally talking about rereleases and now you are talking about sega needing a new console because "dey gat de money and got da 7 mil zeegaaa fans to buy dem" ::). I need not remind you that there is another topic about Sega bringing a new console which you started. So there is really no point having two topics talking about the same thing is there? ::)Pointless and wasting my time.
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In highschool playing kickboxing huh? Diffulcult when you obviously weren't born yet when that game came out. If you're going to insult me, use an original put down not something inspired by me ok, kid? ;)
Now all you've just given so far is hear say and no real points and nothing no evidence to back it up. That's what's becoming frustrating and irritating because you dont even address the points raised to you. its also hard to even comprehend what you are trying to say so you are either still in school of some sort.
The topic needs to be locked anyway because you were originally talking about rereleases and now you are talking about sega needing a new console because "dey gat de money and got da 7 mil zeegaaa fans to buy dem" ::). I need not remind you that there is another topic about Sega bringing a new console which you started. So there is really no point having two topics talking about the same thing is there? ::)Pointless and wasting my time.
why a brotherhood falls down. cause there are deviations among the group.
it was never my intention to insult you. perhaps you should read again where it all started.
you talked with your venomous fang alike attitude. i kept talking to prove my point. and sometimes to be ontopic you have to get offtopic to explain and after ud get back on it. you do the same all the time.
you dont hear me complaining. i kinda try to be interested in your topics. and i actually read them. but i dont like your undertone. and certainly i am not the only one that thinks so.
then again there is just so much i can take. i even said i appreciate your talks. but untill it crosses my border. i dunno but you seem the narcistic type who likes to hear himself talking. i might be wrong. but you really give me that impression.
spending all day to know the exact statistics is not really my part of life
speaking of insulting i have to refer to you. read your own comments. read them and make the windows of your pc wide open. i love to respect ROJM but this is only to those that respect me as well.
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Cmon guys, just get along already. This has nothing to do with rereleases. Which I'm loving by the way :)
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Wiser words have never been spoken
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Cmon guys, just get along already. This has nothing to do with rereleases. Which I'm loving by the way :)
i got nothing against him. but he shouldnt dictate his opinion based on his own researches to us. we are supposed to be sega.
he has some to say. so do i so do u
thats how it is
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i got nothing against him. but he shouldnt dictate his opinion based on his own researches to us. we are supposed to be sega.
he has some to say. so do i so do u
thats how it is
Yours however is nothing but hogwash. You haven't an iota on what you are talking about and that's the problem and thats why i'm not wasting time on youm with any indepth disscussion. Its not my research these are well estabilshed facts which i may add there are many who knows just as many things about sega or games and we dont all agree. The difference between you and them is they know what they are talking about. Playing games is all well and fine kid but dont expect to be an expert just because you happen to play some games, life doesn't work like that. Comprende?
And is this an opinion or fact?
Can you make an coherent sentence or even spell?
Is this an opinion or fact?
That this topic is exactly the same as another one you have currently posted?
Is this an opinion? what's the point of having two topics from the same poster pratically talking about the same thing?
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Use of the "n" word and posting a picture of a dick in mid blow?
semmie, I don't doubt that ROJM was pushing your buttons, but your last post was grounds for a permanent ban. However, for the time being I'm placing you on a temporary ban (7 days), and will discuss with George and Sharky if we should keep it at that and allow you to return, or if the ban will be permanent.
If ROJM was angering you, best to PM a mod or admin rather than put your own forum membership at risk.