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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Happy Cat on November 07, 2012, 11:14:47 pm
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http://www.sonicstadium.org/2012/11/sega-confirms-new-sonic-games-for-2013/
Over the next year there will be a big focus across the toy distribution across Europe. Similarly, we will also be growing the apparel, publishing and stationary categories. We will have several new digital titles launching as well as a new boxed game, so there will be plenty of opportunities to link marketing campaigns across games and merchandise
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Can't wait to get them, but I do kinda wish they did that with there other IPs.
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The Next Major Sonic Game is already on it's way!? Damn it, I'm not done savoring Sonic Generations yet!
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It's not like anyone didn't expect this.
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I know. I mean, every year there's at least 3 Sonic games, this year's no different (Sonic Jump, SEGA All-Stars Racing Transformed and Sonic Adventure 2 HD). But I didn't expect SEGA to tease 3 projects... like all of a sudden and of all places an interview that was mainly focused on toys.
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The Next Major Sonic Game is already on it's way!? Damn it, I'm not done savoring Sonic Generations yet!
Sonic Adventure - 1999
Sonic Adventure 2 - 2001
Sonic Heroes - 2003
Silver the Hedgehog - 2006
Sonic Unleashed - 2008
Sonic Colours - 2009
Sonic Generations - 2011
The only time SEGA ever had more than two year gap between major Sonic titles with 06 and that was due to changing platforms. Pretty much deadcert we were going to get another mainline title next year.
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- - Sonic Jump 3
- Sonic Jump 4: Rising
- Sonic Jump 5: Revengence
- Sonic Jump 6: Finish the Jump
- Sonic Jump 7: Jump again
- Sonic Jump: Ground Zeroes
Disc Title:
- Sonic Jump Anthologies Collection HD
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Sonic Adventure - 1999
Sonic Adventure 2 - 2001
Sonic Heroes - 2003
Silver the Hedgehog - 2006
Sonic Unleashed - 2008
Sonic Colours - 2009
Sonic Generations - 2011
The only time SEGA ever had more than two year gap between major Sonic titles with 06 and that was due to changing platforms. Pretty much deadcert we were going to get another mainline title next year.
I think Colors was late 2010 if memory serves. There was almost exactly one year between it and Sonic Generations.
Also if you're going to list Colors, you might as well list Black Knight(2009) and Secret Rings(2007). They're not main series canon entries but they're still major big budget releases if that's how we're counting. With that in mind there has been almost no gaps over a year since 2006.
Personally I find the silence refreshing. Take your time sonic team. And let the Colors team make all the important decisions :P
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My guess:
Boxed: Sonic Colors 2 (or another main series title on Wii U, 360 and PS3)
Digital: Sonic 4 Ep 3, Sonic Heroes
I can't see a Wii U exclusive. SEGA would be foolish to limit their sales to one new console when they could make $$$ on two others as well.
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don't forget hunnid p said hes working on some music for SEGA
so one of the games could be a modern day Knuckles Chaotix as envisioned by iizuka-san, full of rap music.
Iizuka actually said in an interview in 2010 that he would like to make a Knuckles Chaotix style game, and NiGHTS 3, but SEGA wouldn't greenlight it for him. Of course things could be different now ;)
oh and barry, you don't have to worry about the next game being exclusive to wii u, Iizuka-san has said in interviews he wants Sonic to be played by everyone and is always looking for ways to expand the franchise to get new audiences interested. Plus tbh, I don't think SEGA Sammy would like that, they like their $$$$$$$.
Actually there is another interview with iizuka (lol, lots of interviews with this guy, loves to speak his mind) Where he says Generations and Colors started development at the same time. If you add that up with his Nintendo power interview where he said Generations Wii was scrapped because it wasn't HD, it starts to make sense that Colors is the Nintendo fan version of Generations, even shares same enemy models.
Then SEGA just felt like cashing in on Nintendo fans and had dimps shit out Generations 3DS. Also from the same Iizuka interview, Iizuka said at E3, that only one level for Generations 3DS was playable, and that the HD game was finished by then and was being polished. Further adding to the evidence that Generations 3DS was crapped out by Dimps in a few months to cash in on Nintendo fanbase XD
OH! and from that same interview, iizuka said Sonic Generations White version (HD) was for people who liked High quality games and were already Sonic fans. and that Generations blue version (3DS) was for people new to Sonic with easier gameplay.
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If you add that up with his Nintendo power interview where he said Generations Wii was scrapped because it wasn't HD, it starts to make sense that Colors is the Nintendo fan version of Generations, even shares same enemy models.
Then SEGA just felt like cashing in on Nintendo fans and had dimps shit out Generations 3DS. Also from the same Iizuka interview, Iizuka said at E3, that only one level for Generations 3DS was playable, and that the HD game was finished by then and was being polished. Further adding to the evidence that Generations 3DS was crapped out by Dimps in a few months to cash in on Nintendo fanbase XD
not this garbage again. There is no proof what so ever that Colors is the "scrapped" version of Generations for Wii. This is weird, baseless console-war/fan-boy conjecture. In fact, the word scrapped infers that it was in development in the first place. So even with what you're assuming, the wii version of generations couldn't have been scrapped. They just decided to make a completely different game for the Wii. And the results were anything but a cash-in.
And unless the game is designed around the wiiu game pad, it should certainly be on all 3 hd consoles. That way they can consolidate their efforts/resources and make the best game possible; non of this one game for core gamers, one game for young gamers bullshit that Iizuka was so fond of bringing up at one point. Because I guarantee you the same crowd that bought Colors in 2010 was the EXACT same crowd to buy Generations in 2011.
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the sonic fan base is messed up. i dont know but i think im the only one who likes all the sonics
yeah i even like spinball or sonic drift.
maybe the only sonic i say is the less best of all probably would be sonic the hedgehog 4 and their episodes
sonic colours rocks. yet people complain aboyt the physics
sonic generation rocks yet the fan bas is complaining about the tr on error system
sonic 06 was rocking badly
yet people were crying about some minor bugs and the long loading
to be honest i just hope it wont be sonic the hedgehog 4 episode 3
sonic jump rocks as well. i used to have the old on on my sony ericsson w610
my hopes are for a sonic adventure
i really love 1 and 2
and my biggest wish is to use the old sonic 3 and knuckles sprites with an hd background including beatifull music and loads of zones containing 3 stages each.
just imagine that.
but m talking to the fan base now. guys i understand your frustrations. but when u look at it honestly u probably enjoyed all of them and the less of all sonic 4 eps and sonic knights
come on even shadow the hedgehog was respective
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not this garbage again. There is no proof what so ever that Colors is the "scrapped" version of Generations for Wii. This is weird, baseless console-war/fan-boy conjecture. In fact, the word scrapped infers that it was in development in the first place. So even with what you're assuming, the wii version of generations couldn't have been scrapped. They just decided to make a completely different game for the Wii. And the results were anything but a cash-in.
And unless the game is designed around the wiiu game pad, it should certainly be on all 3 hd consoles. That way they can consolidate their efforts/resources and make the best game possible; non of this one game for core gamers, one game for young gamers bullshit that Iizuka was so fond of bringing up at one point. Because I guarantee you the same crowd that bought Colors in 2010 was the EXACT same crowd to buy Generations in 2011.
Iizuka-san himself said the Wii version of Generations was scrapped due to the Wii not having HD graphics in a Nintendo Power interview, I'm not assuming anything. In a Japanese interview that was translated by someone on neogaf, he said the Generations and Colors started development at around the same time, so if you put two and two together... that Japanese interview is also where he said HD version for people who like high quality games and 3DS version for people who want easier game. That Japanese interview is also where he talked about the development cycles.
lol, i gotta go find it now. I'll post it once i find it. It's burried in countless Iizuka interviews of the interwebs, guy likes to talk.
Also you can keep saying that it's bullshit about how Nintendo platforms are being downgraded for kids, but even for All-Stars racing, you got Sumo Digital talking about how the 3DS version has been downgraded to be easier for kids. Seems like it's SEGA sees corporate wide, 3DS is for kids.
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I don't doubt that early on, Colors was going to be an SD version of Generations. How early on, we don't quite know, but I don't think it's complete BS.
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I don't doubt that early on, Colors was going to be an SD version of Generations. How early on, we don't quite know, but I don't think it's complete BS.
All that's confirmed is that there was at one point, a wii version of Generations under consideration. That could have been a completely separate thing for all we know. I wouldn't be surprised if Colors did start out its development cycle as Generations Wii but at the moment, that's all just conjecture.
And even if it is true, what does it matter? If it's supposed to be an argument that Colors was some kind of slap dash cash in, it certainly doesn't hold water. The quality of the game (which by all critical accounts is equal or more to Generations)doesn't reflect that at all.
If you add that up with his Nintendo power interview where he said Generations Wii was scrapped because it wasn't HD, it starts to make sense that Colors is the Nintendo fan version of Generations, even shares same enemy models.
Nintendo fan version? What does this even mean? It's like you're looking to bring people down for no reason.
and
Iizuka-san
are you Shadineko using a different account or something?
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are you Shadineko using a different account or something?
Yes, it's him.
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All that's confirmed is that there was at one point, a wii version of Generations under consideration. That could have been a completely separate thing for all we know. I wouldn't be surprised if Colors did start out its development cycle as Generations Wii but at the moment, that's all just conjecture.
And even if it is true, what does it matter? If it's supposed to be an argument that Colors was some kind of slap dash cash in, it certainly doesn't hold water. The quality of the game (which by all critical accounts is equal or more to Generations)doesn't reflect that at all.
Nintendo fan version? What does this even mean? It's like you're looking to bring people down for no reason.
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are you Shadineko using a different account or something?
Either way, we got a great Sonic game on the Wii, and I do prefer it over Generations overall. I do like Generations, but some of it didn't sit well with me, Colours seemed to provide something to me that was very unique for a Sonic game other then the Wisps.
Obsessed with Nintendo? I don't know. I felt like Colours gave Sonic fans a better deal myself. Although Generations Colours level was great too. Edit: Colour track? Thinking of Transformed again damn it!
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Either way, we got a great Sonic game on the Wii, and I do prefer it over Generations overall. I do like Generations, but some of it didn't sit well with me, Colours seemed to provide something to me that was very unique for a Sonic game other then the Wisps.
Obsessed with Nintendo? I don't know. I felt like Colours gave Sonic fans a better deal myself. Although Generations Colours level was great too. Edit: Colour track? Thinking of Transformed again damn it!
Agreed. Colors was the better game.
Hence my irritation at Shadineko's "reasoning." But I should probably not let it get to me.
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Same here. Colors was magical. Despite generations having the better controls, colors was the better total package for me. It had a Great amount of content with well designed and varied stages.
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I wonder if any will be good.
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@Radrappy
yeah, of course I'm shadi!
I thought the avatar would give it away, just felt like changing my name.
Anyways, you're free to think what you want, I'm just pointing out what Iizuka-san has said in interviews. Guy isn't afraid to speak his mind or tell the truth, I love that about him, lol. You know some of the things he says probably makes SEGA West PR bang their heads against walls xD, i get the feeling SEGA Japan PR doesn't care what he says since Sonic isn't super huge in Japan.
Anyways, sorry if I came off as rude/mean/whatever, i don't mean to, it just happens xD. I have a genuine disdain for anything Nintendo and it just comes out of me naturally :P hard to explain
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Anyways, sorry if I came off as rude/mean/whatever, i don't mean to, it just happens xD. I have a genuine disdain for anything Nintendo and it just comes out of me naturally :P hard to explain
No worries, I feel bad about making a deal about it in the first place. We all just want good things for the franchise when it comes down to it anyway.
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Same here. Colors was magical. Despite generations having the better controls, colors was the better total package for me. It had a Great amount of content with well designed and varied stages.
Yeah, I had a few problems with Colours, but it was not as much as Generations.
Did Ilzuma have input in that game? I have read that he wasn't as involved in Colours as Generations.
In my opinion, I don't think he is as good at making Sonic games as he is with NiGHTS (Journey of Dreams is debatable, but I liked it), I do think he cares about the Sonic brand, but I think sometimes his ideas aren't always the best ones. I think he needs to make something not related to Sonic or NiGHTS for me to judge properly.
Agreed. Colors was the better game.
Hence my irritation at Shadineko's "reasoning." But I should probably not let it get to me.
It's all in the passion.
I'm more of a Shinobi Team/Overworks fan myself anyway. Sonic Team's stuff is very good if we ignore Sonic itself, it's too bad that they don't make them as much as we hope.
We also rarely hear of Hitmaker...are they making another Virtual On or has that franchise died with Border Break being "the" game to go to in Japan?
Overall, I am hoping there's a Sonic Colours 2.
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I think a Sonic Colors 2 would be a great decision, because I really do think that the concept lends itself to expansion and that the game needs to be multi-platform. Of course throw the Wii U owners a bone and add in some second screen shit, but make it a game that doesn't rely on control gimmicks.
Plus, I really think it's about time that we get a numbered sequel again. No, NOT Sonic Adventure 3. But rather a numbered sequel to a recent successful Sonic game. Colors was, in my opinion and in the opinion of many others, the first really successful Sonic game in a long long time. And it was the first game since the Adventure series that deserved a sequel. Sonic '06 2? Fuck no. Sonic Unleashed 2? Oh hell no (besides, the werehog curse was cured, how shit would it be if the curse returned?). Sonic Generations 2? As much as I love Generations, it does not lend itself to a sequel given the celebratory nature of the game and the fact that another full game of referencing past titles would be overkill.
That leaves us with Colors, which had fun and unique gameplay ideas that deserve a bit more expansion. I'd gladly play a game with new and returning Color powers. Plus, why not throw Tails into the mix for a sequel, by allowing players to choose either Sonic or Tails?
Anyway, it's a pipe dream, but it's not something I'd be against. Nor would I be sad if it never happened.
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Iizuka-san wants Sonic Adventure 3, you dare deny his vision
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have read that he wasn't as involved in Colours as Generations.
well, that explains a lot. I have nothing against the man personally but it seems as though he's brought terrible design decisions with him where ever he goes. Shadow the Hedgehog(the game) was his idea after all.
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I thought Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) had a very cool concept, but it was executed poorly. It was like Sonic gameplay meets OutRun stage progression. Too bad it was a mess... Black Arms, Eggman and Sonic & Friends chattering throughout levels and stages looped. Ugh.
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I thought Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) had a very cool concept
By concept I'm assuming you're referring to some form of level progression, not the idea of a sonic character wielding photo realistic fire arms. Because that shit is stoopid.
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Iizuka was involved in all of Sonic the Hedgehog 4, Sonic Colours and Sonic Generations. Much like how despite several teams, Nagoshi was involved in with Binary Domain, Of the End and Black Panther 2.
Bear in mind the Colours team also worked on Sonic Generations (One team for the first year of production and second year was two teams combined) and they were responsible for both Sonic and the Secret Rings and Sonic and the Black Knight so prior to Colours their quality was... questionable.
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Bear in mind the Colours team also worked on Sonic Generations (One team for the first year of production and second year was two teams combined) and they were responsible for both Sonic and the Secret Rings and Sonic and the Black Knight so prior to Colours their quality was... questionable.
Definitely. Black Knight was an ultimate low for the franchise, on the same level as Shadow or 06. But prior to Generations, the Generations team's quality was also questionable. I suppose it depends on how much you appreciated Unleashed.
I didn't like the game very much when it came out but recently find myself remembering certain things about it fondly. A lot of effort went into designing each environment and making it look like a different country in Sonic's world.
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Secret Rings was pretty cool..
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I wonder where they will go with the series now? After Generations, anything is possible~
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I'm throwing in with Sonic Colours 2. That game was bloody awesome and with some improvements to the controls/physics blah blah blah yeah what ever. It could be insanely awesome.
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well, that explains a lot. I have nothing against the man personally but it seems as though he's brought terrible design decisions with him where ever he goes. Shadow the Hedgehog(the game) was his idea after all.
True, but he did make NiGHTS into Dreams, which I am thankful for.
Either way, I do think he should try something outside of Sonic.
I wonder who was in charge of Colours whilst he was on Generations?
Generations is still a good game...it just takes time to really get into it.
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I wonder who was in charge of Colours whilst he was on Generations?
He was in charge of both as a producer.
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Iizuka, like most people, is not perfect and has his hits and misses. For every shitty came attributed to his name, there is an awesome game that he worked on. I think it just all comes down to all the elements falling into place and all the people doing a good job for his projects to work out well. He is pretty much producer on all titles now, right? And we've had nothing but good to great games since Colors. So I'm cool with the guy. He, and Sonic Team, just had a period of crappy games in the mid '00's
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He was in charge of both as a producer.
I know he was involved with both, although I heard that some parts of Colours were not of his decision.
Iizuka, like most people, is not perfect and has his hits and misses. For every shitty came attributed to his name, there is an awesome game that he worked on. I think it just all comes down to all the elements falling into place and all the people doing a good job for his projects to work out well. He is pretty much producer on all titles now, right? And we've had nothing but good to great games since Colors. So I'm cool with the guy. He, and Sonic Team, just had a period of crappy games in the mid '00's
I don't mind the guy at all! I just think that after trying to make Sonic good again (and he did manage to do that), he should focus his energies into something not Sonic for once...I am sure the Team can make one Sonic game without him whilst he makes something his own and hopefully really great!
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I know he was involved with both, although I heard that some parts of Colours were not of his decision.
He actually was the reason why the game was so light hearted. As far as interviews and PR, he was the public face of Sonic Colours so he was very much involved as a producer. The same applies with Sonic Generations.
I don't mind the guy at all! I just think that after trying to make Sonic good again (and he did manage to do that), he should focus his energies into something not Sonic for once...I am sure the Team can make one Sonic game without him whilst he makes something his own and hopefully really great!
His position is the same as Nagoshi right now. Iizuka overlooks everything Sonic Team does and decides what would be the best course of action for them, he will be involved in same capacity in every title they make.
Plus SEGA current structure would mean Sonic Team would probably be making solely Sonic titles for a while now, at least until the company's outlook is much stronger (Which to be fair is already happening)
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He actually was the reason why the game was so light hearted. As far as interviews and PR, he was the public face of Sonic Colours so he was very much involved as a producer. The same applies with Sonic Generations.
I remember specifically reading that he was "hands-off" when it came to Colors' development though I don't know where said interview is atm.
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Secret Rings was pretty cool..
yes it was. and thats why i bought knight as wwell. kinda dissapointed when i bought sonic b knight. i thought it would be like secret rings.
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He actually was the reason why the game was so light hearted. As far as interviews and PR, he was the public face of Sonic Colours so he was very much involved as a producer. The same applies with Sonic Generations.
Ah I see, fair enough.
Plus SEGA current structure would mean Sonic Team would probably be making solely Sonic titles for a while now, at least until the company's outlook is much stronger (Which to be fair is already happening)
I do hope Sonic Team make more things in the future so that it's not always Sonic games that come out.
I really enjoyed NiGHTs and if they managed to get Burning Rangers on XBLA/PSN then that'd get their image of making more then just Sonic ever stronger like in the Saturn days!
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I'm throwing in with Sonic Colours 2. That game was bloody awesome and with some improvements to the controls/physics blah blah blah yeah what ever. It could be insanely awesome.
for real
colours 2 an sa3
sonic colours and sa series were almost bugless glitchless. nice storyline. and sonic adventure gave me 3d version of sega megadrive past.
i look at sonic 06 as some kind of sa serie in an ideal world they wouldnt have brought this game out untill all glitches and bugs were solved and the px shaded were fully added. nobody talks about this game anymore and it has become the underdog of sonic games. but whoever played this game more then 5 levels would come to the judgment that it would be the best games if it was just polished a bit more and not brought out untill fully complete
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Yeah, I had a few problems with Colours, but it was not as much as Generations.
Did Ilzuma have input in that game? I have read that he wasn't as involved in Colours as Generations.
In my opinion, I don't think he is as good at making Sonic games as he is with NiGHTS (Journey of Dreams is debatable, but I liked it), I do think he cares about the Sonic brand, but I think sometimes his ideas aren't always the best ones. I think he needs to make something not related to Sonic or NiGHTS for me to judge properly.
It's all in the passion.
I'm more of a Shinobi Team/Overworks fan myself anyway. Sonic Team's stuff is very good if we ignore Sonic itself, it's too bad that they don't make them as much as we hope.
We also rarely hear of Hitmaker...are they making another Virtual On or has that franchise died with Border Break being "the" game to go to in Japan?
Overall, I am hoping there's a Sonic Colours 2.
Exactly. Sonic Team with the handful of games outside of Sonic was really IMO on their way as being the AM2 of the consumer division. I wasn't a big fan of PSO but i did appreciate what they did with the title. Unfortunately half if not all the important members of sonic team left leaving the unit as an insignificant shadow. looking at what Sonic team games from the Saturn period to the DC you could see the strength of their original titles and that each title was as good if not better than the last. just like how it was with AM2 when they were making their names in the arcades before they reached their pinnacle during the nineties.We all can see that if the original team was still within Sega we'd be getting great titles because by themselves in the form of Artoon and Prope they haven't delivered anything as close.
As for BB its probably safe to say its resting until Sega decides to celebrate the anniversary of VO.
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So far we have
Digital Sonic titles
- Sonic Jump
- Sonic Dash
- Unannounced Sonic digital title (Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode III?)
Boxed Sonic title
-Sonic 2013 (Generations style or Sonic Adventure 3? Da HYPE!!!!)
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Exactly. Sonic Team with the handful of games outside of Sonic was really IMO on their way as being the AM2 of the consumer division. I wasn't a big fan of PSO but i did appreciate what they did with the title. Unfortunately half if not all the important members of sonic team left leaving the unit as an insignificant shadow. looking at what Sonic team games from the Saturn period to the DC you could see the strength of their original titles and that each title was as good if not better than the last. just like how it was with AM2 when they were making their names in the arcades before they reached their pinnacle during the nineties.We all can see that if the original team was still within Sega we'd be getting great titles because by themselves in the form of Artoon and Prope they haven't delivered anything as close.
As for BB its probably safe to say its resting until Sega decides to celebrate the anniversary of VO.
Likewise about PSO, I am not into MMOs but they made something that is appealing to most MMO fans so they have the quality there.
Now and again I do see some good non-Sonic games from them (Project Rub and Rhythm Thief), but unfortunately they aren't as memorable as their older works...especially the latter where it's essentially another rhythm game universe when we already have Samba de Amigo/Space Channel 5.
I just wished one of the two supposed Sonic Teams do something different. Even if it's Chu Chu Rocket 2 or something.
Kori-Maru's shown that there are probably too many Sonic titles from SEGA these days (although it does make money).
Oh, and it seems like the Shining Ark game didn't do as well as SEGA expected (57,000 I think). Some think that Tony Taka and Overworks (??) should give the series a rest now, and I would have to agree since I haven't seen that team do much since Valkyria Chronicles. :(
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So far we have
Digital Sonic titles
- Sonic Jump
- Sonic Dash
- Unannounced Sonic digital title (Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode III?)
Boxed Sonic title
-Sonic 2013 (Generations style or Sonic Adventure 3? Da HYPE!!!!)
Sonic Jump was 2012.
Also, where did the "three digital games" number come from?
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Sonic Jump was 2012.
Also, where did the "three digital games" number come from?
Yeah, I'm not sure where this magic "three" number came from either.
The toy magazine stated "several" digital titles and one boxed game. Max-cady said earlier in the thread that SEGA typically releases around three Sonic games a year, which is true, maybe some of us are latching onto that? In any case, "several" does not mean "three".
I don't think ASRT 3DS counts as the boxed game for this year, considering it was delayed from December. So really we will have had two boxed games year, possibly three, if the next Sonic game has a 3DS version which has always been a unique title despite SEGA lumping the DS/3DS version in with the console/PC versions when it came to Colors and Generations.
So my guess is we have a few more digital on the way, perhaps Sonic 4 Episode III and another mobile title, as well as the end of the year game what will be on consoles, PC and 3DS. Possibly Vita too if they can port the console version properly, but I'm not counting on Vita.
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Does Sonic Dash count as one of the "three" Sonic games.
I personally hope that the 3DS version is an entirely new way to play Sonic as opposed to the HD/PC/Vita versions. I like Sonic Rush, but we've had our fill of those games.
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Dash totally counts as one of the "several" digital titles. We also might see ASRT on iOS devices.
Lots of "mights" in 2013. :P
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sonic dash is cool. but i enjoyed sonic jump more evn tho i played it before on sony ericsson w610i. the 2d animation of the sony ericsson appealed more to me.
only the boxed will hopefully satisfy our souls.
truth to be said that sonic reached perfection in genesis era.