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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: CrazyT on May 17, 2013, 06:57:31 pm
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Thought this deserved its own thread. There was a seperate SEGA direct for the japanese audience
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/32949989
While i dont understand a thing of what they're saying. Seeing Nagoshi next to iwata like that was kind of strange, but funny.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7a2001948cc6418f4c165f10433eb9bf/tumblr_mmy8pzW6ek1rsl35ao1_r1_500.gif)
Things shown in the direct for those who don't feel like skipping through:
Yakuza1&2HD WII U
The cave from double fine WII U
Hatsune Miku game: Project mirai for the 3DS
Mario and Sanic WII U
As I mentioned in the other thread, this is the first itme the yakuza franchise has come out on a platform outside of sony's. Making it kind of a huge thing imo with possible consequences. What do you guys think of this move? Is this money talking? Or a genuine mutual respected collaboration
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Its Nintendo going to SEGA and asking can you offer us something and SEGA saying yes give us the money . Its a piss take really as any sequel to Yakuza will only be on the PS4 or Next Box
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PS4 not xbox. While i understand why Sega is doing this, the old Segadog in me is shuddering at the thought of this entire "love in " that sega is doing with nintendo. I've said this once and i'll say it again, if sega wants to be taken seriously as a third party they need to build exclusives for ALL the systems. PC Nintendo and Sony have all benefited from having a Sega exclusive and while i know why sega is reluctant to create one for microsoft it all comes down to the type of game that audience wants. Looking at the exclusive titles across the mentioned platforms the games are titles geared towards the type of things that that platform's respective audience caters for. All Sega had to do is create something that caters towards a xbox audience. Do that and create a few MP titles and it should hopefully work in their intrests.
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PS4 not xbox.
Put it this way, with the Current SEGA if MS came in with buckets full of cash the next Box would be having Yakuza . Not that it happen mind you, but any sequel to me will only be made for the next gen powerful systems
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This game is going to fail so badly on the Wii U, I honestly have no idea why they even bothered porting it.
This is no Wii U hate, but the series has an established fanbase on the Playstation 3 and that version just sold under 100,000 units. What amount does SEGA hope to sell here with a lower userbase and no Yakuza fanbase on the console, 10,000? 20,000?
And why this title and not Yakuza 5? Most confusing announcement in recent time.
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Are you talking about Japan or the US/europe? because any release for RGG/YAKUZA is going to have the japanese market in mind first.
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Put it this way, with the Current SEGA if MS came in with buckets full of cash the next Box would be having Yakuza . Not that it happen mind you, but any sequel to me will only be made for the next gen powerful systems
I dont think RGG would sell on the Xbox which is why i think they should create a game at least that fits in with what an xbox gamer would want. We have seen signs of this already with previous Sega xbox titles that did well and were (sort of) exclusives. CHROMEHOUNDS, FULL AUTO and CONDEMNED. Of course all delivered by sources outside of the main SOJ dev house and for whatever reason games that didn't get a chance to establish what audience they help build for sega on that system to solidify it.
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Are you talking about Japan or the US/europe? because any release for RGG/YAKUZA is going to have the japanese market in mind first.
The Japanese market, I just do not think there is much scoop for any particularly large sales with this port.
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The Japanese market, I just do not think there is much scoop for any particularly large sales with this port.
Well that's if they are looking for large sales. RGG has already made its money, the only thing in doing this is to attract new users who haven't played it or still think the system is for kids which is probably why nintendo is so desperate to get it.
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This really just seems like they're just testing the ground to go ninty with the series. Personally I hope it pays off, but like you Aki, I have doubts it will.
Because honestly, Nintendo could potentially be a great partner when it comes to the localizations. It seems very farfetched right now, but we'll see.
I am gonna say that if 1&2 HD are confirmed to come west, i'll be supporting it with my life. Giving the small playerbase in the west, getting it on the Wii U with its small game catalogue, could draw some interest to the series. This is all wishful thinking though. Most of what I say really is :(
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What if this came internationally as an eShop exclusive? I wouldn't be too surprised if they went that route.
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Getting Yakuza out there is always a good thing, although Nintendo wants to flesh out their library more, this will somewhat help SEGA gain some of the Nintendo Audience they would otherwise only get through Sonic.
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This game is going to fail so badly on the Wii U, I honestly have no idea why they even bothered porting it.
This is no Wii U hate, but the series has an established fanbase on the Playstation 3 and that version just sold under 100,000 units. What amount does SEGA hope to sell here with a lower userbase and no Yakuza fanbase on the console, 10,000? 20,000?
And why this title and not Yakuza 5? Most confusing announcement in recent time.
You just said the answer to that question yourself. The franchise doesn't have an established fanbase on the Wii U, so why would they port the fifth entry in the franchise to the series if they just more easily port the first two games?
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I found an article that's comparing this situation to how Monster Hunter ended up on the Wii:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/editorial/34244
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It's an experiment to be sure, most definitely like Monster Hunter G and Tri on Wii due to rising development costs. If it does well, I'd say we can expect more Yakuza games to follow. I certainly wouldn't mind if the Wii U became the "Japan Box" of sorts.
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Yeah, aside from the unique edition of the gamepad(having a map always displayed under your head for any game seems very handy in its own), i think SEGA is going for the safe bet here. I dont think SEGA would have done it without an agreement of some sorts(although were not sure what it is).
So far we have 3 IPs that are going to wii u, 2 being exclusive. I wonder what people think about this. Personally i really wouldnt mind wii u being my sega fix. I am not gonna buy one of the "expensive" next gen consoles in a looong while, if ever
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You just said the answer to that question yourself. The franchise doesn't have an established fanbase on the Wii U, so why would they port the fifth entry in the franchise to the series if they just more easily port the first two games?
That's a ridiculous statement. That's like saying no one outside Sega fans had any intrest in Sonic or no one outside nintendo fans had any interest in Contra or anyone outside the sony userbase has any interest in metal gear solid or any other established franchise that was once only available on one system and never had an estabilshed fanbase on another system. The difference is all those games mentioned are/were big games/franchises that everyone wants to play despite it being available for one system. And those games proved that people brought them in their droves when they were made available outside of the system they had built their fanbase on. RGG/Yakuza is quite a big brand in Japan and Sega like any other company with a big franchise is starting to take the steps outside of its "comfort zone" and see how it performs on another system. Of course it would be better if they created another new RGG game for the wiiU(probably a spin off or side game) which they may end up doing. But to say it cant happen is silly when other franchises that was in the same position as RGG has done exactly the same.
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http://kotaku.com/this-wii-u-game-doesnt-seem-as-polished-as-its-ps3-ver-508843306
good link for the graphics obsessed.
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Kind of dissapointing theyre being lazy with the port.
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lots of people being: "yeah maybe I try some of these games!" just because of this port on a console with no games, just shows how poor Sega has been advertising these games in the West...
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I dont think RGG would sell on the Xbox which is why i think they should create a game at least that fits in with what an xbox gamer would want.
No they wound't , but nither will these sell on the Wii U . Its a cash from Nintendo that's made the move and if MS came in with a ton of cash, it would be on the next box too .
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Yes but were looking at it thru a western perspective, YAKUZA is a big deal in japan so I don't think we can say that the game wouldn't sell on the WiiU in that market.
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That's a ridiculous statement. That's like saying no one outside Sega fans had any intrest in Sonic or no one outside nintendo fans had any interest in Contra or anyone outside the sony userbase has any interest in metal gear solid or any other established franchise that was once only available on one system and never had an estabilshed fanbase on another system. The difference is all those games mentioned are/were big games/franchises that everyone wants to play despite it being available for one system. And those games proved that people brought them in their droves when they were made available outside of the system they had built their fanbase on. RGG/Yakuza is quite a big brand in Japan and Sega like any other company with a big franchise is starting to take the steps outside of its "comfort zone" and see how it performs on another system. Of course it would be better if they created another new RGG game for the wiiU(probably a spin off or side game) which they may end up doing. But to say it cant happen is silly when other franchises that was in the same position as RGG has done exactly the same.
That's not my point. Sure there are people that know about Yakuza outside of those who own Playstation, but they probably haven't played a game in the franchise before. And it might be scary to go immediately into the fifth entry of a series of games that seemingly has a focus on story, so it's best to first port the HD collection of the first two games. Just like how you don't willingly get into Star Wars by watching Episode VI first. ;)
I dont think RGG would sell on the Xbox which is why i think they should create a game at least that fits in with what an xbox gamer would want. We have seen signs of this already with previous Sega xbox titles that did well and were (sort of) exclusives. CHROMEHOUNDS, FULL AUTO and CONDEMNED. Of course all delivered by sources outside of the main SOJ dev house and for whatever reason games that didn't get a chance to establish what audience they help build for sega on that system to solidify it.
This is a terrible idea. Trying to change or expand the audience of an established franchise with a big fanbase is exactly what disappoints existing fans and people already interested in the franchise away. See Dead Space 3.
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That's not my point. Sure there are people that know about Yakuza outside of those who own Playstation, but they probably haven't played a game in the franchise before. And it might be scary to go immediately into the fifth entry of a series of games that seemingly has a focus on story, so it's best to first port the HD collection of the first two games. Just like how you don't willingly get into Star Wars by watching Episode VI first. ;)
I thought you meant not releasing the first two titles. But still you really don't need to have played the games before to jump into part 5.
This is a terrible idea. Trying to change or expand the audience of an established franchise with a big fanbase is exactly what disappoints existing fans and people already interested in the franchise away. See Dead Space 3.
its not actually, and i'm talking about a brand new IP not YAKUZA. CHROMEHOUNDS and CONDEMNED seem to tap into what the general xbox gamer wanted from Sega than previous xbox 1 titles like JSRF and CRAZY TAXI 3. All i was suggesting is Sega should try and build or find the right title for the right platform. RGG was a suitable platform for the sony system given its content and cultural impact etc. Now the series is making its first jump onto a non sony platform. if sega wants to build serious franchises outside of Sonic and not the artificial ones like they have with VC and SHINING, they really need to figure out how to operate and select certain titles. for example i felt that VANQUISH should have been soley released on the PS3 for various reasons, it wouldn't have to compete with the main TPS/FPS that is on the xbox and the style of gaming is more suited to the PS3 gamer. Come to think of it BD should have went that way too, maybe we would at least gotten a sequel to that title by now.
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You just said the answer to that question yourself. The franchise doesn't have an established fanbase on the Wii U, so why would they port the fifth entry in the franchise to the series if they just more easily port the first two games?
Because if Nintendo paid SEGA money to move this series, in which they no doubt did, why the first two which combined have sold over 2 million and a HD version was just released last year with minor sales. These two titles have just too much exposure to realistically expect any sort of respectable number.
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Because if Nintendo paid SEGA money to move this series, in which they no doubt did, why the first two which combined have sold over 2 million and a HD version was just released last year with minor sales. These two titles have just too much exposure to realistically expect any sort of respectable number.
I get your point, it depends on the pricing as well, regardless sega will see a profit on these games anyway. Its like the HOKUTO NO KEN PACHISLOT SAMMY COLLECTION that was released on the Wii1 early in its lifespan, those games were overexposed in japan because they were very popular on the ps2,the collection probably didn't sell that much but they still got a profit from it. Most collection titles or at least the sega ones which in themselves have been more exposed than YAKUZA and HOKUTO NO KEN ever has have continued to sell well above expectations and triple the profit.
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I wonder if there'll be an Iwata Asks about this game.
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I wonder if there'll be an Iwata Asks about this game.
Iwata: how is this version different from the PS3 version?
Nagoshi: We went with lower quality textures and graphics due to the power of the console, while adding gimmicky gamepad features (laughs)
Iwata: (frowns)
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Because if Nintendo paid SEGA money to move this series, in which they no doubt did, why the first two which combined have sold over 2 million and a HD version was just released last year with minor sales. These two titles have just too much exposure to realistically expect any sort of respectable number.
I'm not sure if minor sales would really be a big problem in this case. Seeing how it's a port that probably didn't cost much to make.
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Well if Nintendo DID pay Sega to bring this over then they wouldn't just want a port but a new title as well, maybe and more realistically a type of spin off game of the RGG series. So they can have their precious exclusive and not have a game that is already part of a numerical series. Then the port's job is too introduce Nintendo gamers to the type of game and world of RGG before the new title is announced and released.
As Timm and I have mentioned, Sega doesn't need this collection to sell millions of copies, the series or specifically the two original titles that form this package has already made its money back. In its original relase and rereleases, as well. If it sold a million copies on WiiU, its a bonus,(the only collection game to sell really big and break a record in doing so was one of the Sonic megadrive collections) if it sells 100 000 or 50 000 or less it will still make a profit. I don't understand why some people are persisting the numbers argument that this title has to sell big numbers. It doesn't. BINARY DOMAIN had to sell big numbers, YHD doesn't have to. If anything SHENMUE HD if it exists would have to sell a lot for a variety of reasons.
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Nagoshi has said in a interview it's very unlikely future yakuza games will be on wii u
basically iwata money hated him, but was too cheap to money hat anything other then an older port lmao
so Yakuza 6 confirmed for PS4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59573521&postcount=358
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Nagoshi has said in a interview it's very unlikely future yakuza games will be on wii u
basically iwata money hated him, but was too cheap to money hat anything other then an older port lmao
so Yakuza 6 confirmed for PS4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59573521&postcount=358
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I actually understood that. He said no straight up quickly on the Shenmue question.
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had to update this conversation so it was more relevant
Iwata: how is this version different from the PS3 version?
Nagoshi: We went with lower quality textures and graphics due to the power of the console, while adding gimmicky gamepad features (laughs)
Iwata: (laughs) wait! what did you say?!
Nagoshi: Iwata-san offered me a large sum of money I couldn't resist it so i threw him a bone *laughs* i know the wii u has him desperate. Regardless, the future of Yakuza is on PS4.
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And the thing is you can never say never in video games. just because nagoshi is saying that now doesn't mean he'll be singing that same tune a few years from now depending on how things pan out.