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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Mariano on August 05, 2014, 01:49:10 pm
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Capcom had announced a HD version of the Resident evil 1 remake (The one for the gamecube) for all the consoles and even PC:
http://kotaku.com/resident-evil-is-getting-an-hd-remaster-1616229484
Now I will see how "Big" is the fanbase that want a resident evil survival horror, the ball is in your court now...
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Now I will see how "Big" is the fanbase that want a resident evil survival horror, the ball is in your court now...
To be fair, a re-release of a remake (which has already been re-released before) isn't really a fair yardstick.
I will probably get this on PC when it's on sale though.
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Yeah. This is second time the game is being remade excluding Director's Cut, and the Gamecube remake was highly respected. Since then, as far as I understand nothing has really embraced the survival horror roots of the classic Resident Evil titles, not even segments of Revelations or RE6 Leon. Capcom refuses to make another game that is "classic survival horror" RE.
It's...a little conservative but I guess it makes sense. major Japanese third party pub/dev are getting even friendlier with PC. Few months ago that RE4 PC port was announced, now Tekken 7's main dev platform is PC which is a pretty consistent base. Resident Evil one of their bigger franchises. What blows my mind is that they're making it for PS3, PS4, 360, and the One. Five platforms. I know there's a lot of work that's done already, like planning and art and music more or less, but that's crazy. I wish that Capcom just stuck to PC, One, and PS4.
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I know but this your chance guys to prove Capcom what you want in a resident evil game, they are not going to do more than this specially when there are not in a good time with the money.
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If this HD Re-release and even The Evil Within don't sell well, I can guarantee you that all the claims for making a "true survival horror experience" were made by 400+ people or less. And also Capcom will have the benefit of the doubt.
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Whoa whoa whoa. Time out
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=868364 (http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=868364)
Resident Evil HD Remaster is coming to PS3/PS4/360/XB1/PC.
The PS3 version will be the only platform in Japan to receive a retail release - there will be a regular version, a collector's edition, and a limited edition. It will also be available on PSN. The price of the regular version is 3990yen. Release date is Nov 27 2014. The 360 version will also be released as a download only title on the same day. 720p for PS3 and 360.
In early 2015 they will release the game in Japan on PS4, XB1, and PC as download only titles. The resolution for PS4 and XB1 is 1080p.
PR snip
London, UK. -- August 5, 2014 -- Capcom, a leading worldwide developer and publisher of video games, today announced Resident Evil for PlayStation(R)4 computer entertainment system, PlayStation(R)3, Xbox One, the all-in-one games and entertainment system from Microsoft, Xbox 360 games and entertainment system from Microsoft and PC. Resident Evil will be available to purchase digitally across Europe and North America in Early 2015.
Thanks neogaf
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If this HD Re-release and even The Evil Within don't sell well, I can guarantee you that all the claims for making a "true survival horror experience" were made by 400+ people or less. And also Capcom will have the benefit of the doubt.
Or maybe it's just that one is a second re-release of a remake that every fan and his dog already owns and has played, and Evil Within looks like dog-shit.
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If this HD Re-release and even The Evil Within don't sell well, I can guarantee you that all the claims for making a "true survival horror experience" were made by 400+ people or less. And also Capcom will have the benefit of the doubt.
Capcom or any other company will never have the benefit of the doubt, what are you saying? that a company was right and the fans were wrong? that a group of fans will admit their mistake? not in this life my friend ::) ...
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Did we forget about Aliens: Isolation as a survival horror game? Regardless we shall see. I liked the Gamecube remaster but I already played the living shit out of Resident Evil... I dunno if I need to play it again.
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The thing about Alien I, is that the name of the game helps a lot, that was one of the reasons in my opnion of why SEGA choose the Alien franchise to work with it in the last couple of years, is a very popular IP, so the name itself can guarantee you a lot of sales.
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1. RE series for the GCN can not be redone no matter which way you prove it. It has been shown with the Wii ports and the PC ports as well. REGCN games are GCN specific.
2. Fans are stupid. Back when RE4 was out. All the PS2 cry-babies were doing the same thing. I am waiting for the PS2 game. The PS2 game hit the shelves. Shinji wanted to commit Samurai Suicide. Instead he cut his hair ( which is a common thing among failure in Japan? The person who ported
Strider to PCE; shaved his head after admitting it was a failure of a port ( good but fail to strider people ). Bottom-line Capcom porting this and that is because they need money.
3. I am playing the RE Saturn game as I type this ( or last time at a save ). That is how things are nowadays.
4. The way I see things if Capcom wanted to release an RE game. Their is RE1.5 ( which never had a true release ), and RE4 ( that was cut by Shinji himself to create the beauty that is RE4 ).
5. About that dog in RE4, it was a cameo for another game on the PS2. Available in Japan only???
6. Capcom is dead to most people. Everybody splitting up. Shinji remarks, and all of these things.
7. I am a fan of games but right now it is beyond insanity. If you have been keeping with "RegalSin News" you can find through the web. If they can port an RE game, they could certainly release another megaman game. So far their has been 3-4 MM games ( unofficial but still great games ).
8. Their is a PC version of RE2. I wonder if that will get an HD remake as well. Anyhows in order to truly enjoy HD games, you need a big display that can run big resolutions and make them super sharp and crispy. I play mostly on a 20" display. I can see the crispy detail with HD resolutions but not making a difference.
9. About detail in RE games. They were for the GCN they were beautiful. Everybody said the same thing.
10. About fandom. If the original PS2 condemned the RE4 games, then why not the Gamecube people. I will admit PC is the right choice for all games nowadays. For that low-intelligent/high-impulsive consumers ( what we were ), the consoles are their. All we need to do is sell a computer and call it a console and call it a day. Everybody just upgrade accordingly; but even that is too much for the average consumer we once were. Speaking of which if we released the MarkIII ( Japanese Master System ) in the west; with all the attachments; would you think people would break the FM unit faster nowadays???
Things back then were special unlike nowadays.
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Did we forget about Aliens: Isolation as a survival horror game? Regardless we shall see. I liked the Gamecube remaster but I already played the living shit out of Resident Evil... I dunno if I need to play it again.
The problem with a "survival horror game" is defining a "survival horror game".
When someone trying to explain that "type" of game or categorize any concept, you will soon realize that it is working in the same way like the "Blast Processing" ads. I can guarantee you that.
Capcom really invented "that genre" whit his first installmente about SWAT teams in a B-moviesque scenario in a mansion with traps and all kind of grotesque stuff and surprises where there is a complot behind the scenes about illegal biological experiments and you soon will find an arsenal to resolve that situation like resolve a problem with a bazooka aimed like a professional.
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Oh I agree with Capcom making the name popular and all that stuff, I just think the game is a little late. I do want to see the way it looks on PC because even in low resolution the GCN version looks gorgeous.
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As a huge RE fan I am pumped about this HD Remake. I've played the shit out of this game, but would definitely rebut for Xbox One. I just wish we were getting a legit retail release though
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Another remake huh? Of the same frigging game... Its no wonder Capcom is having financial problems...
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It is not a remake. They are just going to resize the resolution of everything and release it on PC. From their any person could do the same thing.
I really wish somebody would do this for the Blade-Runner or StarTreck ( Picardo ), or
MIB ( the comic ), PC games. Tons of great PC games nobody is playing or purchasing.
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The problem with a "survival horror game" is defining a "survival horror game".
When someone trying to explain that "type" of game or categorize any concept, you will soon realize that it is working in the same way like the "Blast Processing" ads. I can guarantee you that.
Capcom really invented "that genre" whit his first installmente about SWAT teams in a B-moviesque scenario in a mansion with traps and all kind of grotesque stuff and surprises where there is a complot behind the scenes about illegal biological experiments and you soon will find an arsenal to resolve that situation like resolve a problem with a bazooka aimed like a professional.
They may have created it, but EA perfected it with Dead Space. I'm sorry, but Dead Space was leagues above something like RE5 & 6.
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They may have created it, but EA perfected it with Dead Space. I'm sorry, but Dead Space was leagues above something like RE5 & 6.
RE5 and 6 were pretty rubbish and not 'Survival Horror' The real competition for Dead Space would be RE1 through to Code Veronica.
I agree though Dead Space was a fantastic horror game and I really enjoyed it. I haven't played the sequels since I heard nothing but bad things.
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Capcom or any other company will never have the benefit of the doubt, what are you saying? that a company was right and the fans were wrong? that a group of fans will admit their mistake? not in this life my friend ::) ...
I'm willing to admit that some games don't have much of a market, but it's not fair to say "Well if this game that looks bad, and this third re-release of a game every man and his dog owns already don't sell, then the genre is DEAD!"
Seriously Evil Within has zombies firing machine guns or something, and everyone who is a Survival Horror fan has played Resident Evil already. I'll buy it again probably, but it's hardly a good yardstick for whether the genre can survive or not. It might be a good little sample to see if there's interest, but it can't be a deciding factor.
The problem with a "survival horror game" is defining a "survival horror game".
When someone trying to explain that "type" of game or categorize any concept, you will soon realize that it is working in the same way like the "Blast Processing" ads. I can guarantee you that.
I think that it's hard to define any genre or sub-genre. There are definite hallmarks of survival horror that are missing from games like Resident Evil 4-6 though. It's also why fans of old Survival Horror mostly liked Dead Space 1 but avoided Dead Space 2 and 3.
As someone pointed out, one of the reasons I'm excited for Alien Isolation is that it looks like it might be a return to real horror gaming. I don't care if it's Alien franchise or not, I'm not that big a fan of the series, but the game sounds like it'll be a lot of fun!
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RE5 and 6 were pretty rubbish and not 'Survival Horror' The real competition for Dead Space would be RE1 through to Code Veronica.
I agree though Dead Space was a fantastic horror game and I really enjoyed it. I haven't played the sequels since I heard nothing but bad things.
Dead Space 2 was great, regardless of what everyone has said, it's a survival horror game. I remember reading previews about how the game seemed to be more action oriented, but that's not true at all. That's why i've taken what people have said about DS3 with a grain of salt and bought the game. I haven't played it, but i'm planning to really soon. Although, from what i've seen it looks a lot like Lost Planet 3..
I plan to purchase the Evil Within as well. It doesn't look like a true survival horror game, but gets relatively close to what i would expect.
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I think I have Dead Space 2 from a steam sale some time ago, I'll give it a shot eventually. I really did love DS1 though, and thought it was very well done.
I was excited for Evil Within at first, but kept hearing odd things about the game and reading negative impressions from gameplay. I'll wait and see with that one, I'd like to see more of how the game plays. Would be nice if I could play a demo of the game, but that's rarer than hen's teeth now.
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I thought CONDEMNED was a nice spin on the survival horror genre. Its too bad they didn't make a third one.
ALIEN ISOLATION looks promising. Its a shame its not an original IP that Sega could exploit.
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^Condemned was fantastic. I really wish they didn't change so much for Condemned 2. It was still fun, but it really lost a lot of what made the first so special in my eyes. Particularly the scrounging for weapons, the gun mechanics and very basic but brutal combat. I didn't really like the abundance of ammo and combos etc in the second game.
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I think I have Dead Space 2 from a steam sale some time ago, I'll give it a shot eventually. I really did love DS1 though, and thought it was very well done.
I was excited for Evil Within at first, but kept hearing odd things about the game and reading negative impressions from gameplay. I'll wait and see with that one, I'd like to see more of how the game plays. Would be nice if I could play a demo of the game, but that's rarer than hen's teeth now.
I haven't heard much in terms of gameplay for Evil Within, but from what i've seen it looks pretty good.
I liked Condemned as well, but the 2nd game.. That was a turd, it's no wonder the series was abandoned.
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^Ehh, Condemned 2 had it's moments (that fucking bear, man), but overall yeah I agree it was a weak entry to the series.
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If you need any further evidence that Capcom is the japanese "EA" here it is. I've been wondering for a while if Capcom had any announcments in the pipeline and I hate to say it, but this looks like a smart decision.
There was a report somewhere that mentioned that RE 5 and RE 6 are still selling. Amazing when you consider that RE 5 is almost 5 years old. They are still making money off games that have been released a long time ago.
I like both RE 5 and even RE 6, it's still a strong brand.
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I'm actually happy with this news, releasing old favourites on PC and onto new consoles (that don't have back compat) is always nice.
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Yeah, i have no issue with it as well. I just wish they would release a physical copy of the game here in the States. I look forward to running away from Lisa Trevor once again.
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And that's why Capcom has gotten way with so much as long as they have....if you think buying the same game is a good thing than be my guest...
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And that's why Capcom has gotten way with so much as long as they have....if you think buying the same game is a good thing than be my guest...
I think it's worth buying a game again in a few situations, it's not black and white.
I gladly bought Jet Set Radio on Steam because I can play it on my PC and every PC i'll own in the future. I don't always have my Dreamcast hooked up, and at the moment since I moved to a new country, I don't even have any of my consoles, but still have access to my Steam Library.
There's also other things to consider like more convenient controls, graphic enhancements (not applicable for this particular game I'll admit) and various other changes.
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I think it's worth buying a game again in a few situations, it's not black and white.
I gladly bought Jet Set Radio on Steam because I can play it on my PC and every PC i'll own in the future. I don't always have my Dreamcast hooked up, and at the moment since I moved to a new country, I don't even have any of my consoles, but still have access to my Steam Library.
There's also other things to consider like more convenient controls, graphic enhancements (not applicable for this particular game I'll admit) and various other changes.
Yes but JSR is just a port and hasn't been milked to death. Capcom has a long long history of milking the same EXACT game for years and years and years. Streetfighter 2 is one example and so is Resident Evil.
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Yes but JSR is just a port and hasn't been milked to death. Capcom has a long long history of milking the same EXACT game for years and years and years. Streetfighter 2 is one example and so is Resident Evil.
Ah, I can see what you mean. I agree that Resident Evil is getting a bit long in the tooth, as I said this is a Re-Re-Release of the game basically. It's nice if you're one of the few who still hasn't played it I guess.
As for Street Fighter, if you mean things like Street Fighter IV, Super, Arcade Edition and now Ultra, that's actually something I like. I think you'll find most fighting game fans actually do like to get revisions (the quality of SFIV notwithstanding) as they are usually large overhauls in the balance and mechanics, with new characters or improvements that make a huge difference.
In the case of Ultra though, it was just lazily copy-pasting in characters and backgrounds from SFxT. I'm not sure what the balance changes were like, since I don't like SFIV as a fighting game.
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Back then RE was unique as a game. In fact it was more like a movie then an game. It was the real deal. They only started remaking since the GCN was a hit. Which is healthy. It is interesting to play the Saturn games as well.
Street Fighter II series. Capcom basically would perfect, add characters and such. With the hack of SFII they had to compete with hackers as well ( who made a better game ). It was great because most people were limited to SNES and the Arcades. Everybody else had the Genesis game. Only few people knew other games. Once 3d and PSX came out. Virtua-fighter and things like that took stage.
Next was Rival Schools? I do not know why they stopped production of Rival Schools. In my opinion that Capcoms best moment. After that was an downward slide. The PS2 pretty much left them with Omusha and things like that.
If it was all 2d SFII was as perfect as you can get. SFIII and SFIII-Alpha were both jokes to this world. It was goofy, it had some kind of cult. It was where Dalkstalkers cut in and Donivan was the bad man. But he was blonde. That is how I feel about that instance.
Good they remake the game again. I hope it sells well.
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Ah, I can see what you mean. I agree that Resident Evil is getting a bit long in the tooth, as I said this is a Re-Re-Release of the game basically. It's nice if you're one of the few who still hasn't played it I guess.
As for Street Fighter, if you mean things like Street Fighter IV, Super, Arcade Edition and now Ultra, that's actually something I like. I think you'll find most fighting game fans actually do like to get revisions (the quality of SFIV notwithstanding) as they are usually large overhauls in the balance and mechanics, with new characters or improvements that make a huge difference.
In the case of Ultra though, it was just lazily copy-pasting in characters and backgrounds from SFxT. I'm not sure what the balance changes were like, since I don't like SFIV as a fighting game.
That's why i stopped playing Sf2 after the super SF2 game when i realized we weren't getting 3 anytime soon..and when that eventually did come out it was a disappointment. The alpha games i liked but that end up becoming a similar thing and the only thing i liked was when they brought out the Xmen Marvel superheroes versus games.
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Yeah Super Street Fighter II ( the SNES/Genesis game ) were made for the X-band. That is while the game had an upgrade in graphics it was also an downgrade as well. Most likely made around the Genesis first.
Honestly SFII was great with the Championship edition but it was the turbo ( hack inspired ) that made it shine.
I love SFIITurbo. It was probably the best fun ever just to play.
The thing is this; when SFIII was out; how many arcades had the game their and was it a big deal anymore. That time people went to the consoles. That is why will never have a real IV, at all.
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That's why i stopped playing Sf2 after the super SF2 game when i realized we weren't getting 3 anytime soon..and when that eventually did come out it was a disappointment. The alpha games i liked but that end up becoming a similar thing and the only thing i liked was when they brought out the Xmen Marvel superheroes versus games.
Lol what? Street Fighter III is the best Street Fighter ever. Third Strike is possibly my most played game. Now 4 just felt like a huge step backwards after 3.
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Lol what? Street Fighter III is the best Street Fighter ever. Third Strike is possibly my most played game. Now 4 just felt like a huge step backwards after 3.
You're kidding right? I'd say the second game was the pinnacle of the series,it may be 3 or 3rd strike for the hardcore fans of the series(which i'm at a loss to think why) but the second game was everything and more...a game that was close to perfection as you could get. Harmony of game play, the replay and addiction level, the characters and their animations it was such a well crafted game that had so much energy. Not many played 3 when it came out down my arcades but many chose to play the alpha games when they were brought out of course that's hardly scientific that the game wasn't good. I'm sure 3 was a solid SF game but I don't think you can dismiss SF2 for the game it was and the impact it made. Only a few great games can do that. While Sonic 2 or CD is regarded as either the best or pinnacle of the series in 2d(in my opinion for the whole series) the game wasn't Sonic 1 which was another example of "the perfect game".
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The pinicale of the entire series was Street Fighter vs X-men. After that everything went insane. In terms of SF itself the Alpha/Zero games was as good as it was ever going to get.
SFIII itself kinda went into that odd zone that made no sense. Unless you were into Tosigodeen ( something or another ). More cult bs, and this and that Millenium talk. That is what SF3 was. The new age.
By 2000 SNK took over the charts with the cross over to end all cross overs. With the best looking sprites that could make your eyes go wow too infinity.
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You're kidding right? I'd say the second game was the pinnacle of the series,it may be 3 or 3rd strike for the hardcore fans of the series(which i'm at a loss to think why) but the second game was everything and more...a game that was close to perfection as you could get. Harmony of game play, the replay and addiction level, the characters and their animations it was such a well crafted game that had so much energy. Not many played 3 when it came out down my arcades but many chose to play the alpha games when they were brought out of course that's hardly scientific that the game wasn't good. I'm sure 3 was a solid SF game but I don't think you can dismiss SF2 for the game it was and the impact it made. Only a few great games can do that. While Sonic 2 or CD is regarded as either the best or pinnacle of the series in 2d(in my opinion for the whole series) the game wasn't Sonic 1 which was another example of "the perfect game".
Street Fighter 2 is great, but doesn't hold a light to the advancements created in 3rd Strike. IV gimped it down and slowed the game somewhat in favor of being more SF2 friendly.
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Street Fighter 2 is great, but doesn't hold a light to the advancements created in 3rd Strike. IV gimped it down and slowed the game somewhat in favor of being more SF2 friendly.
Neither does SONIC compared to the advancements made in other titles. That isn't the point. SF2 had the perfect combination that made it a game everyone had to play. From hardcore gamers to people that don't play games that much. SF3 and most of the others didn't have that lighting in the bottle. Many people can't play 3rd strike or be bothered with it. Like i said SF2 is in that echelon as being the perfect game like other games from various companies managed to achieve that set the industry on fire and made people actually go to the arcades to play it. In the series it may not be all that to the fan but that doesn't mean the games while technically better were the pinnacle of the series.
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SF2 vs SFIII is really a matter of preference I find.
Street Fighter III: Third Strike is considered almost universally by fighting game fans to be one of the finest fighters ever made, but at the same time there are a lot of aspects that mean people don't like it as much as SFII or other fighting games.
Main issues are:
Parry System: On paper a great idea, and one of the most loved aspects of the game, but also one of the most hated. Critics argue that it destroys zoning (fireballs) almost entirely, or that it creates a 'Guess and Win' meta-game where a single parry can turn the match. It also nullifies things like anti-airs sometimes with air-parries.
Unbalanced Roster: While Kuroda, the best 3S player in the world most likely, can beat people with low tier characters, almost every tournament for this game ever is Chun Li vs Chun Li. Sometimes you'll see Yun being used and even more rarely, Makoto. The game is terribly balanced and Chun Li just overshadows the entire cast.
Street Fighter 2 on the other hand, peaked in most people's eyes at Super Street Fighter II: Turbo (although many do enjoy Street Fighter 2: Hyper Fighting, and some even still prefer Champion's Edition). This game is really well respected for it's simplicity and emphasis on fundamentals. It too has problems though;
Balance and Counter-Picks: This game is also really unbalanced, but unlike Street Fighter III, it's all around counter picks. Characters have very lopsided match-ups and it can sometimes become a game of Scissors, Paper, Rock sometimes. Not to mention Old Sagat is almost bannable he's so good.
Technical things: The game has random damage output for some moves, and I believe the game skips frames of animation due to the turbo setting which can throw off things like reversal timing.
Overall, I think you'd be mad to dismiss either game for their quality, they are two of the most respected and important fighting games around. In terms of financial success, almost certainly SFII was more popular, I think SFIII was actually relatively unpopular at the time.
Marvel 2 was Capcom playing with MUGEN.
What were we talking about again? I think it was something to do with revisions of capcom games, basically I like it. I like seeing revisions to fighting games, they can always be improved. If they aren't people will usually go back to an older version or it'll get fixed again. I would love a KOFXIII Ultimate Match for example...
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I think we where talking about how Resident Evil has been ported many times and we want a RE-Make type game done with Code Veronica.
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I think we where talking about how Resident Evil has been ported many times and we want a RE-Make type game done with Code Veronica.
I'm still waiting to know what this was all about:
(http://media.psu.com/media/articles/image/ResidentEvilEnhancedVeronica.jpg)
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I'm still waiting to know what this was all about:
(http://media.psu.com/media/articles/image/ResidentEvilEnhancedVeronica.jpg)
I've never seen that before, what is that?
George, i want a RE2 REmake first, haha. =)
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^I'm in the dark as much as you are, I think someone found that on the official RE page as a teaser logo or something, then it was taken down by Capcom very quickly. There were rumours of a full REmake style for Code Veronica. They already ported the game on XBLA/PSN (is it on PC anywhere?).
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SF2 vs SFIII is really a matter of preference I find.
Street Fighter III: Third Strike is considered almost universally by fighting game fans to be one of the finest fighters ever made, but at the same time there are a lot of aspects that mean people don't like it as much as SFII or other fighting games.
And that's really the point. Fighting fans liked SF3 everyone else couldn't get into it like SF2. That game had universal appeal. SF3 was necessarly because Capcom had to make a real bonafide solid fighter as they were losing their core audience to the titles SNK was coming out with during the turbo and super SF period.
They won those guys back but they didn't get everyone else. Order wise the game made lots of money because it was the third game in the SF series so Arcade operators thought it was a guarantee money cruncher..only to find in many arcade centres that those games weren't being played which is why 3rd strike didn't make a good number with arcade operators.
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And that's really the point. Fighting fans liked SF3 everyone else couldn't get into it like SF2. That game had universal appeal. SF3 was necessarly because Capcom had to make a real bonafide solid fighter as they were losing their core audience to the titles SNK was coming out with during the turbo and super SF period.
They won those guys back but they didn't get everyone else. Order wise the game made lots of money because it was the third game in the SF series so Arcade operators thought it was a guarantee money cruncher..only to find in many arcade centres that those games weren't being played which is why 3rd strike didn't make a good number with arcade operators.
Yes, I agree that speaking in terms of popularity amongst the masses and general audience, SFIII isn't what SF2 was. SFII was a phenomenon that hasn't been matched by anything Capcom has done since.
I don't know if I would say they lost their fighting game core audience to SNK though. I believe Street Fighter Alpha 2 and 3 were hugely popular for example. I don't know how the Marvel licensed games were competitively until Marvel 2, which was huge.
SNK games were massive in Japan, China and South America though, bigger than Capcom by a large margin in China and SA mostly because the machines were cheap as chips/easy to bootleg.
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Yes, I agree that speaking in terms of popularity amongst the masses and general audience, SFIII isn't what SF2 was. SFII was a phenomenon that hasn't been matched by anything Capcom has done since.
I don't know if I would say they lost their fighting game core audience to SNK though. I believe Street Fighter Alpha 2 and 3 were hugely popular for example. I don't know how the Marvel licensed games were competitively until Marvel 2, which was huge.
SNK games were massive in Japan, China and South America though, bigger than Capcom by a large margin in China and SA mostly because the machines were cheap as chips/easy to bootleg.
No they didn't at first but SNK was making real challenges and making inroads to that market and those fans were playing those type of games. Remember Capcom went with the alpha to a game that combined their own style to an SNK look.
Even by 2000 many other smaller companies like Sammy started to make their own fighters and gain a profit. Sega and Namco OWNED the 3d fighting market which Capcom didn't get a real grasp on. Their 2d market they were under challenge at every moment. So their next SF game had to try and get that crowd back but of course 3 had the bigger order 3rd strike only got half if not a quarter of the orders. Which is probably why they concentrated on the alpha style games as it was still the best of those 2d fighters specifically the marvel or manga fighters series.
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WoW!!! I am eagerly awaiting the release of the PS4 .. Remembering the good times PS1.
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I agree with George. Count me in the SF3 camp. I just can't get into 4 as much after playing 3 and its variants to death. Perfect evolution of the series if you ask me and die-hards who have been with the series since SF1 should appreciate what was accomplished with that game.
SF4 is gimped by comparison, in a very successful attempt to restore the popularity of the series and appeal to the masses. It definitely worked though. I would even go as far as saying SF4 is possibly just as successful as SF2.