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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Mariano on September 09, 2014, 11:35:10 am
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Famitsu had announced today a new RPG from SEGA called "the world and Eclipse":
http://www.vandal.net/noticia/1350655328/sega-anuncia-the-world-end-eclipse-de-los-creadores-de-valkyria-chronicles/
Is in spanish but it basically said that this new game is from the valkirya chronicles team and it will be for PSVita, Pc and Mobile. It will be F2P with microtransactions.
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Sega has a lot of these now
Kingdom Conquest
PSO2
Chain Chronicles
Dragon Coins
マイン島と空の迷宮 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNae-Vt1kg)
And in the Arcades...
Sengoku Taisen
Shining Force Cross
Border Break
Wonderland Wars
The World of the Three Kingdoms
Code of Joker
Now why not some Online games for the console? SEGA cultivated the idea with PSO on the Dreamcast.
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I wonder what our chances of seeing it, between slim and none?
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Is in spanish but it basically said that this new game is from the valkirya chronicles team and it will be for PSVita, Pc and Mobile.
YES SO MUCH Y-
It will be F2P with microtransactions.
Friggin hell sega...way to kill my hype. Sega's F2P mechanics on mobile titles have been irritating and crazi taxi was one of the worst offenders.
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Games still looks great though, i hate the micro transactions for mobile games though.
Been thinking about getting an Ouya just so i can play mobile RPGS on my TV.
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Famitsu had announced today a new RPG from SEGA called "the world and Eclipse":
http://www.vandal.net/noticia/1350655328/sega-anuncia-the-world-end-eclipse-de-los-creadores-de-valkyria-chronicles/
Is in spanish but it basically said that this new game is from the valkirya chronicles team and it will be for PSVita, Pc and Mobile. It will be F2P with microtransactions.
Already mentioned it...
http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3177.msg68097#msg68097
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Already mentioned it...
http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3177.msg68097#msg68097 (http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3177.msg68097#msg68097)
I see but is not like i read all the comments you guys do when i am not online ;D
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Let me tell you something guys, one of the reasons about the F2P model exist is because A LOT of people are VERY bad used to pay games for a low price. Games from any platform, not only mobile and games that deserve a price of 50 or 60 bucks because the developing cost but some idiots yell and said "is very expensive!" but when the company use this mobel of F2P with Microtransactions then the SAME person yell and said "Is a crap business model!"...
Can we just please sit down and try to enjoy a game like we used to do?, sometimes i fell that we spend more time compleaining about X game than actually enjoy the ones we like...
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Games still looks great though, i hate the micro transactions for mobile games though.
Been thinking about getting an Ouya just so i can play mobile RPGS on my TV.
You'd probably be better off getting a cable that connects your phone to your monitor/TV instead.
Friggin hell sega...way to kill my hype. Sega's F2P mechanics on mobile titles have been irritating and crazi taxi was one of the worst offenders.
That's where I lost interest as well.
Let me tell you something guys, one of the reasons about the F2P model exist is because A LOT of people are VERY bad used to pay games for a low price. Games from any platform, not only mobile and games that deserve a price of 50 or 60 bucks because the developing cost but some idiots yell and said "is very expensive!" but when the company use this mobel of F2P with Microtransactions then the SAME person yell and said "Is a crap business model!"...
Can we just please sit down and try to enjoy a game like we used to do?, sometimes i fell that we spend more time compleaining about X game than actually enjoy the ones we like...
The issue is that Free to Play with micro-transactions are almost always geared entirely around taking your money rather than providing a fun or full experience. On the contrary, the whole point of most of those types of games is to LIMIT your enjoyment... unless you'd like to pay a little bit more money of course.
The idea of those games is detrimental to gaming, you can't enjoy your product without constantly paying, as opposed to paying a set amount and the developer trying to make the product as good as possible so that you'll be willing to pay that, and then again for sequels etc.
The game is basically geared around conditioning you to spend more and more money instead of providing a full package. Look up 'Skinner Box', it's a term being applied to these types of games now, previously applied to Poker Machines and Pachinko machines etc.
Having said that, this game might not be so bad, but I wouldn't count on it.
Also it looks like a pretty generic JRPG with loli characters, so I probably wouldn't be interested anyway.
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If this like PSO2 ,that the only payable thing is Costumes and the Room space, this game is gonna be really good with that F2P model. Also:
PC= The cheapest R&D + less troublesome updates + instant fixes
PSVita=Niche and dedicated audience + RPG's prefered hardware
Mobile= Casual and general audience + instant updates +the most crowded system+ JP players often pay microtransactions
Overall=Less R&D but great sales and profits
Also, I told you so about that many posts ago xD: http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3165.msg67781#msg67781
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Aye, the F2P model itself isn't inherently crap....it is just the devs and publishers who ruin that model.
You can still make a great game, and have it F2P, such as Loadout or Path of the Exile, DOTA, TF2, LOL ect...
Sega's mobile monetization however has been less than encouraging on that front. Hopefully it takes more cues from PSO2 than Crazi Taxi City Rush or Sonic Dash.
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But the idea of F2P model is bad for the consumer is just that, and idea Mademan. Many games that use this model have been accepted for the industry and some are not. SEGA have games F2P than are very good in my opinion.
You maybe cannot like this new game but if you automatically think is going to be bad or detrimental because is F2P then you are having an unjustified prejudging in my opinion.
Some games use this business model wrong?. YES
ALL the games than use this model use it wrong? NO.
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MadeMan is interested in fighters, I think? Maybe he's aware of Soul Calibur: Lost Swords and Tekken Revolution from Bandai Namco, particularly egregious uses of F2P there. As I recall in Tekken Revolution it was especially bad not only because of the reused assets (well, you would expect this) but also because how purchasing power-ups decreases incentives for practice and developing skill. Soul Calibur: Lost Swords as I recall is just a poorly made game that turned off people with its errors and the presence of "fan favorites" like Sophitia and Taki (the absence/replacement of certain characters made fans of the series uneasy) couldn't hold people's interest. Plus the fact that for whatever reason it wasn't multiplayer. Fighters are basically retaining a modest audience over time in spite of the fact that new franchises come and go - imagine if a franchise with a limited following like Virtua Fighter saw immense popularity from implementing F2P mechanics.
I think it's disingenuous to dismiss the often predatory implementation of F2P, especially if we assume companies are mostly interested in "following the money." It's like the issue with Season's Passes. I mean, there's a reason why people generally aren't up in arms over the standard pay one amount up front model. Yes, maybe for this game this time it will be different but that's not to be expected.
Also, I think especially nowadays, you don't see a lot of overlap between people who think $60 bucks is too much and those who think F2p is predatory. With more awareness of the cost of games in other countries (namely Japan, Australia, Brazil maybe) and the generally well-documented implementation of F2P, at least in core console gaming circles in the West you see less resistance to $60.
On a personal level, I also don't like these because of the treatment of franchises...Crazy Taxi was already mentioned. Look at the Sakura Taisen GREE game. I would personally prefer the maintenance of established franchises.
IIRC outside of the "four pillars" these are the active non-mobile franchises
Phantasy Star
Yakuza
Shining
Virtua Fighter (VF6 will come...=P)
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Is true that not all the genres can have a F2P Model (those Namco games have been bad tries because they haven't made the research for making a game with that model) but I can't see why all this games need to be hated..."it's not asking your money, you put the money if you want". And if this game offers you the same amount of content ,except the aesthetics and full personalize character system, that a full game has, it's beneficial for the two sides..just like PSO2 and I think this new game is going to be in that way.
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Let me tell you something guys, one of the reasons about the F2P model exist is because A LOT of people are VERY bad used to pay games for a low price. Games from any platform, not only mobile and games that deserve a price of 50 or 60 bucks because the developing cost but some idiots yell and said "is very expensive!" but when the company use this mobel of F2P with Microtransactions then the SAME person yell and said "Is a crap business model!"...
Can we just please sit down and try to enjoy a game like we used to do?, sometimes i fell that we spend more time compleaining about X game than actually enjoy the ones we like...
Now who could this be directed at?
Only problem why its kinda crap comes in the sense that most of these titles aren't released in the west so by default a lot of Sega fans will miss out on those titles...
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Is true that not all the genres can have a F2P Model (those Namco games have been bad tries because they haven't made the research for making a game with that model) but I can't see why all this games need to be hated..."it's not asking your money, you put the money if you want". And if this game offers you the same amount of content ,except the aesthetics and full personalize character system, that a full game has, it's beneficial for the two sides..just like PSO2 and I think this new game is going to be in that way.
I don't think they need to be hated either. There are ways to make it work and be palatable enough and such. I have never really heard lots of people complain about PSO2 either. I do however think the pricing model has earned its reputation and some people are rightfully cautious. Besides, the whole point of free 2 play is that elements of how they're designed induce purchases, the notion that the average player is just as empowered or in control of their spending when playing an f2p game (to be fair, monetizing varies in aggression) as they are when paying for a standard $60 game is misleading. Why else would you make the game if it's just f2p and go, gotta monetize it yeah?
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My problem with F2P is it just effects the game design in almost ever aspect. Yes there are some games that are F2P that do it right, but for the most part they remain the exception and not the role.
Now the developer has to design a game where the player must depart with his/her hard earned cash just to buy energy to continue in the game, or perhaps they might up the difficulty spike randomly because they really do not want you getting through the game without needing some "help" etc there are a lot of issue with F2P games that do not appear in games that are designed with a one price entry fee.
Furthermore in regards to the game content itself, developers will not have the same level of financial return from the same period a retail game would have. This forces them to break the game down into episodes rather than one major entry that can stand on it's own.
The game did have me excited but SEGA has to prove to me this is more like PSO2 and not like Kingdom Conquest 2.
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Forced? They were doing the pay for progressing to the next level way back in 2005. Its more of a gimmick that they knew they could make money on.
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The game did have me excited but SEGA has to prove to me this is more like PSO2 and not like Kingdom Conquest 2.
Sadly it seems more of a mobile affair:
http://abload.de/img/l_541035cc2600bl6sws.jpg
http://abload.de/img/l_5410382aad1292mska.jpg
http://abload.de/img/l_541038272173cfbseg.jpg
http://abload.de/img/l_541038237f00fmusne.jpg
Sega said that they would be developing more games like PSO2 in the future, still hasn't happened. On the Arcade side, they have multiple big budget networked games going on...
But the bigger issue, no immidiate worldwide releases for these games...first they botch retail games, and then they botch their promise on the focus on digital games...
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That's SOJ management for ya...