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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ROJM on September 19, 2014, 11:48:47 am
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Sega Sammy Holdings Inc. (6460) (http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/6460:JP), the Japanese publisher of the Sonic the Hedgehog, has tasked almost a third of its game unit’s developers with creating applications for smartphones.
The Tokyo-based entertainment company has increased the portion of its 2,000 developers designing titles for phones and tablets as more gamers go mobile, Hideki Okamura, president of game unit Sega Corp., said in an interview yesterday. Okamura didn’t say if Sega intends to develop mobile versions of its popular PC and console titles, such as Virtua Fighter and Phantasy Star. Company spokesman Yasushi Nagumo said no Sonic titles are in the works.
“As the new devices have come out and created a market for smartphone applications, we’re putting a lot of resources into that,” Okamura said on the sidelines of the annual Tokyo Game Show. “We’re shifting developers from other areas.”
Sega Sammy, which was formed a decade ago when pachinko-machine maker Sammy Corp. bought video-game company Sega Corp., has seen sales of packaged games decline as players shift from traditional game consoles to smartphones. The game maker sold 8.7 million traditional video games in the 12 months ended in March, down from 10.8 million in the previous year, the company said in its annual report (http://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/library/pdf/stockholder/2014/201403_4p_kabutsu_e_final.pdf). (http://www.bloomberg.com/image/iAbk2G5ZcC1Q.jpg) Photographer: Tomohiro Ohsumi/Bloomberg Hideki Okamura, president and chief operations officer of Sega Corp.
Sega Sammy rose 0.8 percent to close at 1,794 yen in Tokyo trading. The stock has declined 33 percent this year, compared with the benchmark Topix index’s 2.3 percent gain.
Gumi Partnership A shift to mobile gaming will help spur a 29 percent increase in video-game and other consumer-product sales to 128.5 billion yen ($1.2 billion) for the fiscal year ending March, the company forecast. It expects operating profit at the consumer business to more than triple to 6.6 billion yen.
The reshuffling of developers has led to at least one hit.
A team formerly tasked with producing amusement park games developed Chain Chronicle, which has been downloaded (http://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/pdf/release/sega%20networks%20presentation_e_20140620.pdf) almost 3 million times and generated 7.5 billion yen since its release, the company said in May. Sega and mobile game developer Gumi Inc. announced (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140707005176/en/SEGA-Networks-gumi-Bring-Hit-Japanese-Titles#.VBqTJvmSwa-) plans in July to jointly publish Sega games in Europe, North America and South Asia, beginning with Chain Chronicle this year.
Sales of Sony Corp.’s PS4 and Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox One appeared to be picking up and would probably surpass their predecessors by the second half of next year, Okamura said.
The consoles would probably also catch on in China, where the central government last year lifted a 13-year ban on set-top gaming devices, the Sega president said. The Xbox One, the first console to hit the nation’s market, is expected to begin shipping in the coming weeks.
Sega was studying the Chinese market to see what titles would best fit and meet approval of the government. He said games with military, martial arts and cultural themes have proven particularly popular with PC gamers in China (http://topics.bloomberg.com/china/), which might provide a guide for game console titles.
“You might find an explosive hit if you play it right,” Okamura said. “Once PS4 and Xbox take off, we need to release titles that will fit within the regulatory framework.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-18/sega-shifts-more-developers-to-focus-on-mobile-games.html
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I already read it today. I dont have a problem with mobile games, and it will be nice if in the end, they bring these mobile games over here like they said.
Your opinion ROJM?
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*Checks Sega's Pulse*
Fans, I'm very sorry...
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You know Mademang i think you can say eveything you want and all that, this is a forum after all but at least let me tell you this.
Sometimes your are a Dick, in the same way you now make fun of SEGA and The season pass about Alien isolation and all the complains as a Fan you can have, i can tell you than you are an asshole sometimes.
You are a fan of the SEGA from the 90 and pretty much not the SEGA from now? fine, but again try to express yourself a little more with respect, i dont think i asking you much...
I will not use this lenguage again if some moderator is mad at me, but sometimes this kind of attitude really piss me offf...
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You know Mademang i think you can say eveything you want and all that, this is a forum after all but at least let me tell you this.
Sometimes your are a Dick, in the same way you now make fun of SEGA and The season pass about Alien isolation and all the complains as a Fan you can have, i can tell you than you are an asshole sometimes.
You are a fan of the SEGA from the 90 and pretty much not the SEGA from now? fine, but again try to express yourself a little more with respect, i dont think i asking you much...
I will not use this lenguage again if some moderator is mad at me, but sometimes this kind of attitude really piss me offf...
Hey, hey man, I realise you haven't been around here as long as some other members so I'm sorry if I offended you, it's not my intention.
Fact is, I just have a very dry/negative sort of humour towards Sega. Most of what I say is in jest, and not to be taken seriously. I understand it's not easy to see that on an internet forum sometimes, but I never intended to insult someone personally or attack a member of the forum. I'm also sorry if my constant dickery towards Sega is wearing thin.
True, there is next to nothing that Sega does nowadays that I still get excited about (or at least not much that gets released outside Japan), but I'm still actually looking forward to Alien Isolation, despite the disappointing decision to commit to (very questionable) DLC so early.
I'm still a fan of a couple of current Sega games, Virtua Fighter 5FS I still play with friends every week (and I'm travelling to a tournament this weekend), I still play Company of Heroes 2 (even though that was THQ when I started CoH series) and I loved all the Total War games prior to Rome 2 which I haven't played yet.
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Is fine man, I am sorry for the insults, is just that sometimes the gaming comunity is just very...hard to please...
Like everything is wrong and this is expensive and this is bad and blah blah blah...
Is not only with you, is with eveything, internet is full of cowards, and sometimes i would really like to punch in the face some of them...
I know you are a fan of VF5 and COH2 and others SEGA games, it was just a moment of angry.
Again sorry for the insults, wont happen again.
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You know Mademang i think you can say eveything you want and all that, this is a forum after all but at l
Yeah Mariano..you have to get use to MM..and his sense of humor and opinion when it comes to Sega...but he's not a guy who hates Sega for the sake of it..once you get to know him.
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I already read it today. I dont have a problem with mobile games, and it will be nice if in the end, they bring these mobile games over here like they said.
Your opinion ROJM?
I knew this was coming. I use to have a reasonable stake in the company via my dad which i built upon with my own investments. I sold it now because i don't like the direction the company is heading. Only thing left is my dad's original stock. But they've made it more official now.
I wouldn't mind about the mobile thing if they were spreading their bets across all platforms. Its only the console part that is under mined in Sega. All other divisions are plodding along like they were before, Sega Toys, Arcade etc etc..
While its understandable its not something that i personally like. Think about it..in 8 years time all of SOJ's output will be either handheld or digital mobile. Sega console games will be represented by Atlus, Relic, Creative Assembly and or Sports Interactive. That isn't a good thing...because they weren't originally sega and they are not the games Sega built their reputation on.
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Mariano, I appreciate that you apologized to MadeMan so I'm not going to make too big a deal out of this, but we don't allow personal attacks/namecalling in the forums. Calling someone a dick or an asshole is not necessary no matter how much you may disagree with them. I'm sure you can find other ways to express your disagreement than with namecalling.
Thanks.
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Regarding this news, it's a bummer. I can't say I'm a fan of these types of games, nor do I own these devices. I hope Sega still has internally-developed traditional Japanese games that actually make it over here, but that seems to be no longer be the case unfortunately so I don't know what to think of Sega right now.
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Mariano, I appreciate that you apologized to MadeMan so I'm not going to make too big a deal out of this, but we don't allow personal attacks/namecalling in the forums. Calling someone a dick or an asshole is not necessary no matter how much you may disagree with them. I'm sure you can find other ways to express your disagreement than with namecalling.
Thanks.
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Regarding this news, it's a bummer. I can't say I'm a fan of these types of games, nor do I own these devices. I hope Sega still has internally-developed traditional Japanese games that actually make it over here, but that seems to be no longer be the case unfortunately so I don't know what to think of Sega right now.
theres still internally developed SEGA Japan games coming west on consoles!
http://blogs.sega.com/2014/09/18/all-new-hatsune-miku-project-mirai-dx-screens-from-tgs/ (http://blogs.sega.com/2014/09/18/all-new-hatsune-miku-project-mirai-dx-screens-from-tgs/)
and don't forget about this game coming out later this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MedbnbSK-Xk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MedbnbSK-Xk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UIZAceYaEU
i know that isnt what you want to see, but just saying :P
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I think this is a move with two faces.
One, many developers and workers of Sega can start doing something new or introducing existing IP's that could work in the mobile market just like Puyo Puyo for ex. instead of waiting to comeback to work in an specific IP for the console market that ultimately could fail in sales by many causes regarding the environment of that market despite all the efforts just like Binary Domain.
And two, without counting Yakuza (JP), Phantasy Star (JP), Shining (JP), Hatsune Miku, Sonic, Total War, Football Manager, Alien, Company of Heroes, Persona, Etrian Odyssey and some individuals IP's from Atlus, we can expect nothing more nothing less for the consoles and PC, at least in reference to physical releases.
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MadeManG please stop hating on SEGA, your anti-anti-consumer hate is very disorientating.
Moving along I have no problem with SEGA increasing their mobile output but they cannot put all their eggs in one basket. If Sony manages to successfully revive the Playstation 4's fortune in Japan (February - March 2015 would be the real test, Dragon Quest Heroes, Ryu Ga Gotoku Zero, Bloodbourne and few other Japanese centric titles launch then) SEGA could effectively see themselves locked out of a 10 - 15 million+ userbase, add to that the now growing Chinese market (Which to be fair, they have acted on now with localisations of their titles) putting a further large lucrative userbase out of their reach.
Also it is a disappointment for people like me who primarily play traditional games on consoles!
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MadeManG please stop hating on SEGA, your anti-anti-consumer hate is very disorientating.
Moving along I have no problem with SEGA increasing their mobile output but they cannot put all their eggs in one basket. If Sony manages to successfully revive the Playstation 4's fortune in Japan (February - March 2015 would be the real test, Dragon Quest Heroes, Ryu Ga Gotoku Zero, Bloodbourne and few other Japanese centric titles launch then) SEGA could effectively see themselves locked out of a 10 - 15 million+ userbase, add to that the now growing Chinese market (Which to be fair, they have acted on now with localisations of their titles) putting a further large lucrative userbase out of their reach.
Also it is a disappointment for people like me who primarily play traditional games on consoles!
Well i doubt they will ignore the chinese market...they tried it before when the chinese was big on PC gaming..but that ultimately failed. Now that the chinese are going into consoles..i suspect Sega will try again but use local chinese developers to make games for that market under the Sega umbrella rather than doing it themselves..it depends how big console sales and gaming get in China..
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Well i doubt they will ignore the chinese market...they tried it before when the chinese was big on PC gaming..but that ultimately failed. Now that the chinese are going into consoles..i suspect Sega will try again but use local chinese developers to make games for that market under the Sega umbrella rather than doing it themselves..it depends how big console sales and gaming get in China..
I think Ryu Ga Gotoku could be a big hit there, though big in relative terms of the market. Outside of that I'm not sure what else SEGA has that could be a sure fire hit. In anycase though, it'll be a much needed boost for the Japanese gaming industry to have another large market that could bring in further investment in the development of console software.
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I think this is a move with two faces.
One, many developers and workers of Sega can start doing something new or introducing existing IP's that could work in the mobile market just like Puyo Puyo for ex. instead of waiting to comeback to work in an specific IP for the console market that ultimately could fail in sales by many causes regarding the environment of that market despite all the efforts just like Binary Domain.
And two, without counting Yakuza (JP), Phantasy Star (JP), Shining (JP), Hatsune Miku, Sonic, Total War, Football Manager, Alien, Company of Heroes, Persona, Etrian Odyssey and some individuals IP's from Atlus, we can expect nothing more nothing less for the consoles and PC, at least in reference to physical releases.
Well they're already doing that...END OF THE WORLD is basically a AAA title..its just not on consoles. As for updates of old Sega IP...good luck on that. The only IP they update are games that was popular with the japanese to begin with like PUYO PUYO. Anything like CRAZY TAXI and the such only seems to be updated if at all here. I mean unless i'm incorrect but the new CRAZY TAXI game wasn't even mentioned by SOJ website...i didn't see it there anyways..
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I think Ryu Ga Gotoku could be a big hit there, though big in relative terms of the market. Outside of that I'm not sure what else SEGA has that could be a sure fire hit. In anycase though, it'll be a much needed boost for the Japanese gaming industry to have another large market that could bring in further investment in the development of console software.
Dunno...Sega tried to do Sega China games using sega characters and it didn't work. Mainly because they really didn't understand the market as well as bad luck SHENMUE ONLINE comes to mind. They also tried localising Korean games to that market but to no advantage. Also the chinese government as mentioned are quite particular what is made in games for that market so RGG may not be able to get released there..considering the subject matter...
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Mariano, I appreciate that you apologized to MadeMan so I'm not going to make too big a deal out of this, but we don't allow personal attacks/namecalling in the forums. Calling someone a dick or an asshole is not necessary no matter how much you may disagree with them. I'm sure you can find other ways to express your disagreement than with namecalling.
I know Ben, wont happen again. Thanks.
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theres still internally developed SEGA Japan games coming west on consoles!
http://blogs.sega.com/2014/09/18/all-new-hatsune-miku-project-mirai-dx-screens-from-tgs/ (http://blogs.sega.com/2014/09/18/all-new-hatsune-miku-project-mirai-dx-screens-from-tgs/)
and don't forget about this game coming out later this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MedbnbSK-Xk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MedbnbSK-Xk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UIZAceYaEU
i know that isnt what you want to see, but just saying :P
lol.....
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Well they're already doing that...END OF THE WORLD is basically a AAA title..its just not on consoles.
Not really, it is still basicilly a phone game. They had to make a seperate version for PSO2 to make it work on phones (PSO2es). It allows more games, the budget for these games isn't the same.
Anyway the article is encouraging in that there is things going on at Sega at least...PS4 and Xbone support should hopefully turn not to be empty words. Also interresting that Chain Chroniles being made by former Amusement Park developers. There is higher chance we got to play a smartphone game rather japanese-only arcade contraptions.
Online things and smartphone intergration isn't a bad thing for, as long as the game is good like PSO2.
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Not really, it is still basicilly a phone game. They had to make a seperate version for PSO2 to make it work on phones (PSO2es). It allows more games, the budget for these games isn't the same.
Anyway the article is encouraging in that there is things going on at Sega at least...PS4 and Xbone support should hopefully turn not to be empty words. Also interresting that Chain Chroniles being made by former Amusement Park developers. There is higher chance we got to play a smartphone game rather japanese-only arcade contraptions.
Online things and smartphone intergration isn't a bad thing for, as long as the game is good like PSO2.
It is a AAA game. AAA games doesn't mean how much money is put into a title but also a title that is made to hit big. And looking at some of the graphics, i'm not sure they can be totally replicated on a mobile phone since they showed the PC version of the title in screenshots. Only big Mobile games by Sega has been afforded a multi platform release. So you are incorrect on that matter.
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It is a AAA game. AAA games doesn't mean how much money is put into a title but also a title that is made to hit big. And looking at some of the graphics, i'm not sure they can be totally replicated on a mobile phone since they showed the PC version of the title in screenshots. Only big Mobile games by Sega has been afforded a multi platform release. So you are incorrect on that matter.
http://sixtyhertz.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/tgs2014-segas-the-world-end-eclipse-combat-gpv-winandroidiospsv/
nah, it is graphicilly unimpressive.
but yeah AAA in this case is more about success than manpower
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Didn't say it was impressive...i said replicated.You also forgetting it will use cross-platform technology meaning by definition its a bigger game than a title like INITIAL D P2P and CRAZY TAXI mobile games. To use that would mean big bucks was spent...just not a s big if it were for a home console.
As for Xbox one and PS4 support...all that sounded to me in the context of that article is that they will make games for the chinese market if the systems have a succesful launch and run. It doesn't sound like we will see these games over here. It seems Sega is turning more eastword with every turn...
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Anyway the article is encouraging in that there is things going on at Sega at least...PS4 and Xbone support should hopefully turn not to be empty words.
I wouldn't get your hopes up . It just shows you how far behind the times SEGA Japan is and how they haven't even got their next gen pipe lines ready . It's pretty sad to see a company that was once was one of the world leaders in producing consumer software , now reduced to trying to be a leader on the mobile platform, when I doubt anyone here really cares much for mobile gaming really or came to love and support SEGA Japan for their Mobile games; for most it would have either been their Arcade or console games
Just shows that SEGA for the console gamer will become even more irrelevant than they already are and that for me is horrible to see :(
but yeah AAA in this case is more about success than manpower
There's no real set meaning and like gameplay (another made up term) no real definition, but' AAA 'to most will mean a developer pushing the boat out and putting huge resources of money and manpower to a game and giving the team years to make the game , but it not always the case . Jet Set Radio was done on the cheap and with a tiny team and in less than 12 months and yet that's for most was a AAA game :\
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won't take the bait...refuse to take the bait.....
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won't take the bait...refuse to take the bait.....
It's not bait at all . I used to love SEGA and everything they stood for and cheered their tech , innovation and games , sure I like to play the odd game on my mobile. But to me gaming is really about playing games on your consoles on a Big TV with 5.1 and a joypad (where a Mobile experience doesn't come close ), not the odd bit of mobile gaming on the bus to work or when having a boo on the toilet lol.
Sure it's nice to see SEGA making money, but you know I rathered the SEGA that was skint and making losses in the late 90's and early 2000's; At least the creative side was alive, the tech brilliant and more importantly the console games there more offten than not . It's not just the likes of SEGA its sad to see the likes of Cave turn more and more to mobiles and Japan turn to handhelds and get left even more behind the West
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It's not bait at all . I used to love SEGA and everything they stood for and cheered their tech , innovation and games , sure I like to play the odd game on my mobile. But to me gaming is really about playing games on your consoles on a Big TV with 5.1 and a joypad (where a Mobile experience doesn't come close ), not the odd bit of mobile gaming on the bus to work or when having a boo on the toilet lol.
Sure it's nice to see SEGA making money, but you know I rathered the SEGA that was skint and making losses in the late 90's and early 2000's; At least the creative side was alive, the tech brilliant and more importantly the console games there more offten than not . It's not just the likes of SEGA its sad to see the likes of Cave turn more and more to mobiles and Japan turn to handhelds and get left even more behind the West
And you think no one here doesn't want that? We'd all love to see that part of Sega again. But you also have to accept reality. Remember at GR where i got into a lot of shit even in these forums? Why? Because the main gist of the topics was me slamming half those guys who were bitching about Sega back then that hey weren't buying the games to continue that type of game sega makes into the west. And look where we are now. We can argue whether sega should or shouldn't change operations to really make a dent in the west or not...but the bottom line is with me as it is now is Sega did at least give people want they wanted and they didn't BUY them in sufficient numbers. And that's among gamers that know not casuals who probably woudn't. Thats why i don't like people bitching about Sega when these turds didn't support the type of sega games they were releasing back after DC.
I'm not happy about the digital thing either...But i can't solely blame Sega going where they have made a profit. Staying in japan where they made a profit. The western fans have to accept the blame as well as Sega for the way things are now.
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I really don't get why you bang on about reality. Mobile phone are massive the world over , it's not just a Japanese thing and they should be no reason why SEGA Japan can't have a very productive mobile and consumer console division.
We all know the reason why SEGA Japan are doing this and turning more and more to mobiles : Mobile games have high mark-ups, low costs and quick turnovers (in term of development). So its just a case of simple short-term measures with as less risk, costs and development time as possible . Yes that great for the bottom line but its not so great for console development and getting SEGA In-House Teams up to the task of making great AAA console games.
I much rather the model of big AAA productions on the next gen consoles and then the IP give to the mobile divsion to make mobile phone spins off and so on .I hate the current SEGA Japan model and its getting to the stage when Sammy will really need to ask it's self does SEGA Japan really need 1000 consumer console staff if the direction of the corp is mobile gaming.
Nintendo learnt a harsh lesson and is paying the price for short-term measures and quick and easy fixes and trying to chase the casuals. Nintendo have now been left behind SONY and MS on tech , Internet due to their focus on the casuals and the Wii and its came back to bite them on the bum.
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I much rather the model of big AAA productions on the next gen consoles and then the IP give to the mobile divsion to make mobile phone spins off and so on .I hate the current SEGA Japan model and its getting to the stage when Sammy will really need to ask it's self does SEGA Japan really need 1000 consumer console staff if the direction of the corp is mobile gaming.
Quoted for Truth, needs to be emphasized.
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It's not only Sega, mostly all the Japanese Gaming Companies are doing the same stuff.
Bamco has lost a ton of money last fiscal year in the West even with a whole gamma of releases.
Square-Enix returned to profit last year but Western focused games like TR or Hitman weren't the cause of that situation.
Capcom and Konami have the last opportunity to make a Global AAA IP work in all the territories with RE and MG respectively.
Platinum Games and From Software are the most popular independent JP companies in the West...but now they are working by contracts with other companies (PG for Nintendo/Activision/Microsoft and FS for Sony).
And for the record, many actual console games from Japan are exclusive to that territory and we only have niche games or portable games.
Nintendo and Sony are really thinking about this situation because they could be in serious problems in the future.
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It's not only Sega, mostly all the Japanese Gaming Companies are doing the same stuff.
Bamco has lost a ton of money last fiscal year in the West even with a whole gamma of releases.
Square-Enix returned to profit last year but Western focused games like TR or Hitman weren't the cause of that situation.
Capcom and Konami have the last opportunity to make a Global AAA IP work in all the territories with RE and MG respectively.
Platinum Games and From Software are the most popular independent JP companies in the West...but now they are working by contracts with other companies (PG for Nintendo/Activision/Microsoft and FS for Sony).
And for the record, many actual console games from Japan are exclusive to that territory and we only have niche games or portable games.
Nintendo and Sony are really thinking about this situation because they could be in serious problems in the future.
That's because people like jArcade who doesn't know what he's talking about and TA won't face the reality of the situation.
Sega needed MONEY after they stopped producing the DC. They took two methods to achieve that goal. They made games specifically geared towards their home market in japan...some that were titles already popular with the japanese. The second was to create games that they were famed for and adored particularly in the west.
What happened? The Japanese games were successful and the games sold for the west weren't. And that kept repeating itself.
We can all keep going on about doing this and that but consoles are now reaching a peak while the mobile market has only become stronger. Sega hasn't jumped the bandwagon, they were already on that market from the start. And please don't give me make the AAA titles and then create mobille versions argument...because Sega already did that in the mid noughties. Again people like Jcade should research about current sega before coming to stupid conclusions and agreeing with statements designed to make him become a fanboy of a guy who won't accept the reality of the situation Sega is in. The facts are NOONE in the west brought any of Sega DNA titles in sufficient numbers. You have only your fellow gamers to blame for that. Don't come crying to me about how Sega is ignoring the west when the west ignored them from the DC onwards.If you lot ONLY buy Sonic and Total War and a few western made Sega games. Don't be surprised if that's all they will give you.
As for Nirmugen's comment yes its a trend how most of the big companies are pulling their resources into mobile gaming.
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Square Enix almost never posts profits because they can't even manage a budget.
How 6 million was a failure for a IP revival is bewildering.
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Difference is of course Sega can actually still make money in the west, they just need to make that money on consoles. They have distribution agreements for various properties worldwide but it hasn't yet hit them that they might want to try that with regards to localization rather than trying to do it themselves.
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Sega are makng money in the west...that's the point. They're just not going to waste a lot of their time making the type of games no one will buy anymore.
I prefer to HAVE a sega than NO sega at all.
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Missed the point again.
Sega has a distribution agreement with AsiaSoft for PSO2 in English speaking Asian countries.
Sega has a distribution agreement with Kock Media for publishing games in the EU.
Sega has a distribution agreement with Feral Interactive for Mac and Linux version, both physical and digital version of those games.
Sega has a distribution agreement with Five Star games for Publishing in Australia.
Yet for some reason they have NEVER seemed to consider adopting a similar strategy for localization.
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Missed the point again.
Sega has a distribution agreement with AsiaSoft for PSO2 in English speaking Asian countries.
Sega has a distribution agreement with Kock Media for publishing games in the EU.
Sega has a distribution agreement with Feral Interactive for Mac and Linux version, both physical and digital version of those games.
Sega has a distribution agreement with Five Star games for Publishing in Australia.
Yet for some reason they have NEVER seemed to consider adopting a similar strategy for localization.
Not really. A i never MISSED your original point..you just kept changing it everytime you couldn't back up what you were saying.
Second..i wasn't addressing your post. I was continuing something from a previous post i made.
3..you won't find that many people who won't disagree with you. The whole localization debate has gone through the ringer a number of times on to why Sega hasn't been able to get it right...maybe its down to size of the games having to be localized. Anyway many are hoping that ATLUS USA will take over these duties and localize many of Sega's titles that SOA doesn't want to touch.
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A. Return of the straw man.
Second, yes you were. You are just trying to save face.
3. As I pointed out, and I'm sure many have. Sega's localization failures have been due to numerous factors among those being lack of marketing and lack of budgeting. We already KNOW that Sega itself isn't capable of localizing much of anything and this disregards the fact that Bayonetta and Valkyria chronicles both did over 1 million in their lifetimes.
So the solution as has been practiced before is to simply let someone *else* do the translating, printing, distribution ect...but this has never seemingly come up as an option.
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A. Return of the straw man.
Second, yes you were. You are just trying to save face.
3. As I pointed out, and I'm sure many have. Sega's localization failures have been due to numerous factors among those being lack of marketing and lack of budgeting. We already KNOW that Sega itself isn't capable of localizing much of anything and this disregards the fact that Bayonetta and Valkyria chronicles both did over 1 million in their lifetimes.
So the solution as has been practiced before is to simply let someone *else* do the translating, printing, distribution ect...but this has never seemingly come up as an option.
Yeah the straws where you clearly drew the short straw.
You're not a mind reader man. If i was commenting you i'd have PASTED you're comment. I didn't see you're post before i did mine.So i wouldn't even known what i was supposedly replying to...Geez..kids today...
VC never made a million...not in its initial print run..not that it had to anyway. And the difference now is they own a company with a much better handle in localizing translation duties. So its clearly an option that they are more ready to use.
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I dont play games on phones, so this is not good news for me.
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I dont play games on phones, so this is not good news for me.
I do but its difficult to get the japanese titles. I dunno, i'm more a guy who wants to hold a game in his hands and slot it into a machine and look and admire the packaging it came in rather than just download something intangible...
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I do but its difficult to get the japanese titles. I dunno, i'm more a guy who wants to hold a game in his hands and slot it into a machine and look and admire the packaging it came in rather than just download something intangible...
I'm all for digital gaming, but I find that phone games are either so simple they aren't fun for more than 10 minutes on the train or before I fall asleep, or otherwise the controls can't be handled on a touch-screen.
I could get controller peripherals but then I may as well play the game on a PC or console.
That's the main gripe I have is that to get a game to work on a phone it has to be simplified to the point where it loses so much depth because of the restrictions of the platform. Not only that, but nobody wants to pay real money for a phone game so they have to use techniques like Free to Play, Pay to Win or skinner box-like techniques to make profit, which ultimately hurts the game even more.
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That's the main problem with mobile games - the physical limitations of the platform itself. Personally I love old school arcade games that are designed for quick bursts of play. But those games have proper controllers. Smudging my fingers around on small, featureless panes of glass has no precision. Not to mention obscuring an already small playfield with one's fingers. The devices are also limited ergonomically - there's a reason controllers evolved from the rectangular 8-bit designs to ones that actually fit the form of human hands.
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This is why I have a Note 3. Sonic and Crazy Taxi are actually playable!
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I've got an Asus Transformer tablet that could be used for mobile games, but instead I got a used iCade cabinet and modded it with better buttons and use them together as a mini MAME cabinet. ;D
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That's the main problem with mobile games - the physical limitations of the platform itself. Personally I love old school arcade games that are designed for quick bursts of play. But those games have proper controllers. Smudging my fingers around on small, featureless panes of glass has no precision. Not to mention obscuring an already small playfield with one's fingers. The devices are also limited ergonomically - there's a reason controllers evolved from the rectangular 8-bit designs to ones that actually fit the form of human hands.
But i think Sharky is trying to say is there isn't a middle ground with Sega. Its one extreme or another. Mobile games is going to be their focus which means gradually and eventually there won't be much or any Sega games for consoles..specifically from SOJ. While i understand why they are going this route that doesn't mean they need to go all the way with it.
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I wonder how long the arcade division will last. I want Virtua Fighter dammit! And I don't mean Combo Mania or whatever it was released for phones.
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It will last a good while though your general arcade games like fighters are on cheaper boards. But they are still making the attraction style arcade games to get people into the arcades like that sand controller game. That would have cost a lot to make.
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I dont play games on phones, so this is not good news for me.
Its shit mate . Sammy is fast killing SEGA and SEGA Japan is just SEGA only in name . I can't see why SEGA Japan can't both have a great consumer division and a separate mobile phone division and each share IP and games . That said I'm sort of over ever hoping SEGA will return and delight me with games and amazing tech and getting people talking and looking forward to SEGA Japan games again on the consoles . If they make a great game then good, if they don't they it's no shock and what I just expect these days
Pachinko killed Technosoft, killed SNK and is fast killing SEGA Japan :(
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Its shit mate . Sammy is fast killing SEGA and SEGA Japan is just SEGA only in name . I can't see why SEGA Japan can't both have a great consumer division and a separate mobile phone division and each share IP and games . That said I'm sort of over ever hoping SEGA will return and delight me with games and amazing tech and getting people talking and looking forward to SEGA Japan games again on the consoles . If they make a great game then good, if they don't they it's no shock and what I just expect these days
Pachinko killed Technosoft, killed SNK and is fast killing SEGA Japan :(
The guys off his meds again...call the medics..QUICK!!
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I wonder how long the arcade division will last. I want Virtua Fighter dammit! And I don't mean Combo Mania or whatever it was released for phones.
It's been shrinking every year and now we learn they're moving developers from this division to mobile where they're enjoying massive success.
I agree with Joe that it'll last a while longer but the long term future isn't bright. The Japanese market is bigger than ever, it's just 50% of that segment is all mobile. If I recall correctly Japan has the biggest smartphone gaming industry, or just behind the United States so I fully expect unless console games by SEGA aren't vanity projects (Yakuza) cheap (Puyo) or successful in the West/Japan (Sonic, Miku, Phantasy Star) this is the end game for SEGA Japan.
That being said they clearly have plans to stay in the console space/PC gaming shown by the purchase of Atlus, Relic et all.
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It's been shrinking every year and now we learn they're moving developers from this division to mobile where they're enjoying massive success.
I agree with Joe that it'll last a while longer but the long term future isn't bright. The Japanese market is bigger than ever, it's just 50% of that segment is all mobile. If I recall correctly Japan has the biggest smartphone gaming industry, or just behind the United States so I fully expect unless console games by SEGA aren't vanity projects (Yakuza) cheap (Puyo) or successful in the West/Japan (Sonic, Miku, Phantasy Star) this is the end game for SEGA Japan.
That being said they clearly have plans to stay in the console space/PC gaming shown by the purchase of Atlus, Relic et all.
It will last because they're trying to make inroads into China..within 10 years if the chinese economy holds up and their middle class gets bigger you will probably see the signs of a big arcade market in China. Sega already has a lead into that market..all that remains is if the market grows enough for them to make real profit.
As for consoles, Yeah they do but Atlus doesn't do expensive projects and Relic's main games are still PC even with WARHAMMER. And these peeps aren't just the games a Sega fan wants. They still need an SOJ console fix and that doesn't seem to be forthcoming..
And you really think YAKUZA is a vanity project?
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The guys off his meds again...call the medics..QUICK!!
Please stop it with the SEGA defence force nonsense and open your eye's to what happing with SEGA Japan. A corps that is fast becoming totally irrelevant to most console players and even in the Arcades SEGA Japan isn't what it once was. You keep on talking about money and profits who cares about that here really . What most people want is SEGA Japan making the games we love to play and look forward to and I put to you that's not Mobile games
GameArts I gather still make money, not that anyone cares anymore and they've become a totally irrelevant to most people (who once loved them and I include myself in that)
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Please stop it with the SEGA defence force nonsense and open your eye's to what happing with SEGA Japan. A corps that is fast becoming totally irrelevant to most console players and even in the Arcades SEGA Japan isn't what it once was. You keep on talking about money and profits who cares about that here really . What most people want is SEGA Japan making the games we love to play and look forward to and I put to you that's not Mobile games
Yawn....if you look into my posts you have seen that i have said that as well. What i don't do however is try to blame one side over the other. Sega's situation is not down to Sammy alone. Sega has a large part to play in it. The money comment is relevant especially since you kept saying for a long time that they weren't making any money. And the fact that they are and still one o the big companies in japan means that they are in a more healthier position than many of the companies you keep saying that they should follow. And you have been spouting this multi engine multi platform talk way before Sega joined with Sammy. Sega didn't go full tilt with it then and they haven't now. So that again proves that its more SOJ management not doing what you want them to do rather than Sammy. And for you're info...sammy has no direct influence over sega..its another company. Its Segasammy the parent company that would have the influence and they usually allocate the individual company budgets without directly interfering in the day to day running of the companies that they own. Instead of knee jerk reaction and posting walls of text blaming everyone except SOJ maybe you should stop your Sega japan defense and sammy bashing and look at the reality of the situation. But you won't will you....
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And the fact that they are and still one o the big companies in japan means that they are in a more healthier position than many of the companies you keep saying that they should follow.
For what to make more Mobile games and more games on the cheap . That's to me is not SEGA at all .
Instead of knee jerk reaction and posting walls of text blaming everyone except SOJ
Sammy I would gather appointed and approve every members of the SEGA board and agree and set SEGA's funding and the direction of the corp . So to make out this at all to do with Sammy is just a bit much . Next you be saying Murdoch doesn't have the major say on what Fox get up too or his other various off shots.
Still if you're happy seeing SEGA Japan become a top class mobile phone developer then good for you .
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For what to make more Mobile games and more games on the cheap . That's to me is not SEGA at all .
Its called business.
Still if you're happy seeing SEGA Japan become a top class mobile phone developer then good for you .
::)
So to make out this at all to do with Sammy is just a bit much .
Finally you agree with me. That's the end of the discussion as far as i'm concerned.
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Its called business.
I call it the death of SEGA Japan myself . Sammy are killing SEGA Japan and its clear to see .
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....You think that and leave the rest of us to deal with reality.
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....You think that and leave the rest of us to deal with reality.
Well answer me this then . What games you looking forward to from SEGA Japan and what are your hopes for SEGA Japan over the next year or so . If all you can do is highlight mobile games and profits I'll say its a pretty sad reflection of SEGA Japan .
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TA you can read all my recent posts on this matter. Stop trying to turn this into a personal war between you and me when there really isn't one. Everyone else KNOWS my stance on digital..you can even read it from the beginning of the thread. Sometimes you just seem to enjoy arguing with people for the f'ng sake of the argument.
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It's not any war .
I'm asking you a basic easy question or questions. What are your hopes and what games are you looking forward too, from SEGA Japan this and next year ? .
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How old are you 12? I already stated my opinions on this matter clearly. All you are trying to do is create an argument out of it. Check the thread..even the majority of my posts and you know exactly where my feelings on this matter is. The difference is i can separate my emotions from the reality of corporate business. That is why i don't go around saying things people want to hear in order to boost my popularity and create flame wars. I don't need to go around blaming things on others when the blame doesn't soley blame on them. Just because you can't separate the facts from what you want them to be doesn't mean you are correct or anyone who defends the reality of the situation is a FAN of that situation. For gods sake stop trying to score points and get with the program of the facts and reality. Not how you want to see them and blame everyone else for the reason its not happening. This petty score pointing is really becoming stupid on you're part.
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I already stated my opinions on this matter clearly
Well answer it again then . What are your hopes and what games are you looking forward to from SEGA Japan this year and next year , they're very easy and basic questions .
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Well answer it again then . What are your hopes and what games are you looking forward to from SEGA Japan this year and next year , they're very easy and basic questions .
Why don't you look at the thread of this post. Stop wasting my time. Not entering into another pointless argument with you.
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Why don't you just list what games you're looking forward too,from SEGA Japan over the next year and for the remainder of this ?
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What happened about my opinion? Did you find out the truth by looking at the rest of the thread? Now you are going in another route to cause an argument? Geez louise you better get back on the pills....
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What happened about my opinion? Did you find out the truth by looking at the rest of the thread?
Well I can't see many games that for starters . So I guess the real reason for the none- answer is other than Yakuza and SEGA making mobile games, you've got nothing to look forward to from SEGA Japan this and next year .. Correct ?
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Well I can't see many games that for starters . So I guess the real reason for the none- answer is other than Yakuza and SEGA making mobile games, you've got nothing to look forward to from SEGA Japan this and next year .. Correct ?
And this is an example that you have mental problems. You can't separate people telling you facts from whether they support what the company is doing. And now you keep going on and on and on on something that was established long ago. How about you answer this..if you are such a true blue sega supporter how come you think Nintendo is better than Sega? Or even capcom?
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if you are such a true blue sega supporter how come you think Nintendo is better than Sega? Or even capcom?
So you're the real SEGA man right ? . How come its ok for you to call the SEGA Saturn crap (a SEGA console none the less) Happy to see SEGA games on SONY consoles (when SEGA fans are meant to hate SONY lol) rather than MS and the one that loves to bash SEGA Japan and go on about how they tried to killed off Sonic and SEGA America .
So if you want to play a childish game , I'll look closer to home if I were you . But just to set the facts straight for a moment ...
Yes its true I liked the Snes more than the Mega Drive , but then I also liked the Mega CD more than either machine so go and figure on that one . My fav console of all time is the SEGA Saturn (read SEGA) my favorite game of all time is Panzer Dragoon (read SEGA) my favorite developer of all time is Team Andromeda/Smilebit (Read SEGA) my favorite arcade game of all time is Out Run (read SEGA) .
You can like or love a corp 'but' not be happy with the management or the direction it's going . No different from supporting a Football team or the like . You can love your football club and be a fan and a loyal fan at that - that doesn't mean you have to like the football on the pitch , the chairman or the manager of that said club .
I love SEGA, just hate the direction the corp is heading in and don't like SEGA/Sammy board .
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So if you want to play a childish game
The only person who is being childish is you. Trolling topics in order to score points you lost on a topic everyone but you have forgotten about. Tried it with Aki and now me. But i can't be bothered anymore.You're not worth my time anymore.
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The only person who is being childish is you.
I tell you what's childish and that's the thinking that because someone finds fault with a corp -that means they can't possible be a fan of that said corp . Well there's that, calling people names and altering people posts .
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Come on guys, you guys always have to get into arguments. You guys have known each other for over a decade and always fight? Your worse than my parents. Relax. Why can't you guys ever agree on anything?
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I tell you what's childish and that's the thinking that because someone finds fault with a corp -that means they can't possible be a fan of that said corp . Well there's that, calling people names and altering people posts .
You just described yourself to a T.
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Come on guys, you guys always have to get into arguments. You guys have known each other for over a decade and always fight? Your worse than my parents. Relax. Why can't you guys ever agree on anything?
I'm not the one who is trolling. I haven't caused any arguments, i've stuck to the topic and i've been polite. Its when TA comes into the topic is when he goes off topic and tries to cause arguments. He's done it to several members in here recently even yourself. So you should really tell him to stick to the topic and stop trying to spam different threads with the same BS. Actually read his posts george..its all about points he lost in the gaming topic about capcom..only on five different topics. So its obvious who is disrupting the forum. I've told him to leave me alone and he won't. So unless you guys implement an ignore button in this forum..warn him officially..he's just going to carry on. Just know that i'm not the one causing it.When the mods tell me to back down i usually do. Its TA that never does.You know it I know it and so does everyone else here. The question is what to do about it.
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The question is what to do about it.
Ignore him and stop responding. Drop a report if you must, but stop writing essays in response.
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Ignore him and stop responding. Drop a report if you must, but stop writing essays in response.
Which is why i think an ignore button is needed or stricter rules. And compared to the walls upon walls of text..he writes, i hardly write essays in response. Geez...