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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-31-sega-makes-a-loss-in-the-first-half-of-fy2015 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-31-sega-makes-a-loss-in-the-first-half-of-fy2015)
Digital sales eclipse packaged games once again Sega made a ¥2 billion loss in the first half of the fiscal year after releasing just a single console game in the second quarter.
In the six month period ended September 30, 2014, Sega earned ¥154.2 billion ($1.38 billion) in revenue, down 5 per cent year-on-year. Operating profit was down 72 per cent to ¥3.45 billion ($30.9 million), and the company made an overall loss of ¥2 billion ($17.9 million).Sega's games division contributed less than a third of total revenue, largely due to a paucity of new releases. Only Persona 4 Arena Ultimax was launched in the second quarter, and its release was restricted to Japan for the accounting period. Ultimax sold 230,000 units before the end of September, taking Sega's total packaged sales for the first half of the fiscal year to 4.1 million - 2.72 million of which were catalogue sales.Sega's games division earned ¥48.2 billion ($439 million) in revenue, up 10 per cent year-on-year. Digital games contributed the majority of that figure, with ¥21.9 billion ($196 million) in revenue, while packaged games earned ¥15.3 billion ($137 million).That is likely to improve dramatically for Sega's nine-month results, however, as they will include Alien: Isolation, which launched a week after the accounting period closed.
Ouch, it would help if they released more games outside of Japan..
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So it's the usual?
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The loss had nothing to do with SEGA's consumer division which beat expectations.
But actually so did every other division bar one and not just by a little amount either;
In billion yen
Segment / Initial Expectation / Actual Sales
Pachinko / -8.0 / 3.4
Pachislot / 0.0 / 7.3
Arcade Sales / -1.7 / 0.1
Amusement Centre / 0.0 / -0.2
Consumer Division / -0.3 / 0.9
And yet they are revising their figures down for the full year. On a side note, Alien: Isolation is also seemingly doing better than expected (Expected 180,000 preorders ended up with 430,000 between the Playstation 4 (290,000) and Xbox One (140,000))
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What is Amusement Center? I thought that was Arcade machines, but there's also Arcade Sales?
Also HOLY FUCK AT THOSE PACHINKO NUMBERS. Ripping and running with that gamblin' money.
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Actually, the consumer division (Games, toys and animation) is pretty good right now. They didnt earn much, only 9 millons dolars aprox this half year, but for the end of the year (March 2015) they expect to earn 50 millons dolars aprox.
2 billon YEN for SEGA-SAMMY in losses is a joke, but they clear dont want to lose any money as you guys know.
Read carefully, the whole Holding is suffering right now (Pachinko and pachislot, amusement machines, and amusement facilities), BUT the video game division expect real progres in the future, is the only division that is healthy right now, and trust me, this is not very commun in SEGA.
according to their plans, they basically want to made a restructuring in the whole group, because they expect in the end of this fiscal year a 4 billons YEN in net income, that in NOTHING for them, so they see that something is wrong in the company and they want to change it.
Remember the restructuring that SEGA suffer in june 2012?, well that thing work for them, and now they want to do that with the whole group basically, because the consumer division may be OK but the others division are in a bad state right now.
So in the end, the videogames are not the problem here, is almost everything else, the arcades are suffering in Japan, and it seems according to their sales that the amusement machines businnes have demand, they are selling, but they are not earning money.
If someome have any doubt ask me, AKI will problably made a report of this anyway.
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What is Amusement Center? I thought that was Arcade machines, but there's also Arcade Sales?
Also HOLY FUCK AT THOSE PACHINKO NUMBERS. Ripping and running with that gamblin' money.
Aren't you Australian? DON'T YOU SAY CENTRE?!
Anyway Amusement Centres are the actual centres SEGA's owns, this the money made by their arcades, food or experiences in their own parlous.
Arcade sales are the arcade titles they sell to amusement centres through out the country that are not owned by SEGA.
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What is Amusement Center? I thought that was Arcade machines, but there's also Arcade Sales?
Also HOLY FUCK AT THOSE PACHINKO NUMBERS. Ripping and running with that gamblin' money.
SEGA made videogames as you know, well they also made arcades machines (Like VF5) that they sell to the arcades in the world, AND also they operated some amusement facilities like bars, restaurants, and arcades itselfs.
This are the other two divisions that SEGA own besides the videogame one.
Also yes the pachinko and pachislot number are really big. So you can get an idea, SAMMY in a good year (not this one...) earn more money than Konami, Capcom, and square-enix TOGETHER.
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Last year in the same 2Q, TW:R 2 and new heavy-licensed Pachinko/Pachislot machines were released, so it's obvious that there is going to be a big difference.
Anyway, just like Aki said, they improve their profits that they expected and the consumer division proves to be stronger in the digital market.
Also, with their group structure plan released in May, they focused their activities in 3 grand groups:
-Pachinko/Pachislots (Sammy)
-Entertaiment(mostly Sega) where their core is the digital business
-Resorts and other activities
With this, they are looking forward to eliminate unprofitable businesses by 6 billion yen/$53 million.
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And yet they are revising their figures down for the full year. On a side note, Alien: Isolation is also seemingly doing better than expected (Expected 180,000 preorders ended up with 430,000 between the Playstation 4 (290,000) and Xbox One (140,000))
I was wondering where those PS4 and Xbox One sales numbers were from, given that Alien Isolation hadn't been released yet. Makes sense that those are the pre-order numbers, but in that case, the VGChartz numbers are nowhere near accurate (not that I expected them to be). They list the game at 190k worldwide now. I still can't figure out how those SKU numbers work though. Why only 1 SKU?
Also interesting: the Wii U sales estimates, is that for Sonic Boom only? If so, seems like they're only expecting to sell 300k copies of the game now.
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So Capcom's game consumer divison is down..and Sega's consumer division is going up...as it has been doing in previous years....and someone would like us all to believe that the Sega consumer divison is failing and not making any profit compared to Capcom....LOL...
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I wonder if they can turn that kind of loss around by the end of year report... Seems quite a big loss.
Lets hope Football Manager, Alien Isolation, Sonic, Bayonetta 2, Project Diva, and Valkyria Chronicles can turn it Q3 around. (I assume Sega gets a small cut of Bayonetta 2 anyway.)
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Football manager alone will save their bottom line.
It's been in the top 10 sellers on Steam for quite a few days now and even was in the top 5 for a good few hours.
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SEGA made videogames as you know, well they also made arcades machines (Like VF5) that they sell to the arcades in the world, AND also they operated some amusement facilities like bars, restaurants, and arcades itselfs.
This are the other two divisions that SEGA own besides the videogame one.
Also yes the pachinko and pachislot number are really big. So you can get an idea, SAMMY in a good year (not this one...) earn more money than Konami, Capcom, and square-enix TOGETHER.
True...but i can why some people would like this incarnation of Sega to produce titles on console as big and well known to gamer gamers as the games from those companies. SOJ just took another avenue in getting their profits...and its worked.
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I wonder if they can turn that kind of loss around by the end of year report... Seems quite a big loss.
Lets hope Football Manager, Alien Isolation, Sonic, Bayonetta 2, Project Diva, and Valkyria Chronicles can turn it Q3 around. (I assume Sega gets a small cut of Bayonetta 2 anyway.)
Sure they will do it. All the net losses that come from 2Q were because of the expenses of the Resort Casino Hotel that they had expanded with difficulties with the material. A very expensive investment by the way.
Just think that they had a profitable quarter for Sega (Consumer side and even the Arcade side return to profits) with only an Atlus Game, pre-orders from Alien, 2 steady mobile games and one MMO Game.
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So Capcom's game consumer divison is down..and Sega's consumer division is going up...as it has been doing in previous years....and someone would like us all to believe that the Sega consumer divison is failing and not making any profit compared to Capcom....LOL...
Capcom made a profit , something which SEGA couldn't even with its digital sales, it's PC sales and all the other dept's you love to list , also Capcom got more revenue from games than SEGA . Watch Capcom post rather nice profit in the next quarter on the back of the new Monster Hunter alone . So sorry again you're very much wrong.
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Capcom made a profit , something which SEGA couldn't even with its digital sales, it's PC sales and all the other dept's you love to list , also Capcom got more revenue from games than SEGA . Watch Capcom post rather nice profit in the next quarter on the back of the new Monster Hunter alone . So sorry again you're very much wrong.
Wondering when you would rise up to show you're ugly head again. Don't you read? The consumer division was the one with ALL the profits. Capcom in their report had a fall in profits in their division. But keep ignoring the truth..so spin the spin and downright lie in order to derail the threads eh..that's what you're good at.It won't change the facts and what everyone here knows the facts. You don't.
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Capcom made a profit , something which SEGA couldn't even with its digital sales, it's PC sales and all the other dept's you love to list , also Capcom got more revenue from games than SEGA . Watch Capcom post rather nice profit in the next quarter on the back of the new Monster Hunter alone . So sorry again you're very much wrong.
You act as if Sega posted a loss against all attempts and odds.
Sega only reported a loss this quarter because of the cost of dismantling their Phoenix SegaGaia Resort subsidiary. To top it off, that is a move in itself that will increase profits over long term.
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You act as if Sega posted a loss against all attempts and odds.
Sega only reported a loss this quarter because of the cost of dismantling their Phoenix SegaGaia Resort subsidiary. To top it off, that is a move in itself that will increase profits over long term.
Exactly.
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Don't you read? The consumer division was the one with ALL the profits. Capcom in their report had a fall in profits in their division
YES. Again Capcom posted a profit , SEGA didn't even with the mighty digital division which you keep banging on about . Capcom it's self will post a better 2nd quarter thanks the monster sales of the new Monster Hunter .Looking at SEGA consumer revenue and sales its not that spectacular and Capcom got more sales and more revenue .
You're the one that always likes to bang on about the Bottom line after all.
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YES. Again Capcom posted a profit , SEGA didn't even with the mighty digital division which you keep banging on about . Capcom it's self will post a better 2nd quarter thanks the monster sales of the new Monster Hunter .Looking at SEGA consumer revenue and sales its not that spectacular and Capcom got more sales and more revenue .
You're the one that always likes to bang on about the Bottom line after all.
Why don't you show us where the digital side didn't make a profit or that the consumer side didn't. Geez can't you stop trolling on something EVERYONE proved you wrong in the last topic?
Capcom Revenue and Profit Fall Due to Lack Of New Games
Resident Evil publisher reports sales drop of 51 percent while profit dips 39 percent.
Capcom today announced financial results for the quarter ended June 30, revealing net income decreased to ¥828 million ($8.4 million), down 37.3 percent year-over-year. Net sales also fell for the quarter, sliding 6.2 percent to ¥17.5 billion yen ($177.8 million)
the six months ended September 30, 2014, Sega's consumer business posted revenues of 48.6 billion yen ($436.1 million), up 10.3 percent year-over-year, and operating income of 939 million yen ($8.4 million), down 16.0 percent year-over-year.
So no Capcom profits still pale into nothing compared to Sega...especially in the consumer departments.
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So no Capcom profits still pale into nothing compared to Sega
Capcom actually posted a profit ,that's something SEGA couldn't manage . I no doubt expect that Sega Sammy will be able to post a bigger profit overall for the final quarter. But unlike you make out Capcom is in profit that's all .
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Capcom actually posted a profit ,that's something SEGA couldn't manage . I no doubt expect that Sega Sammy will be able to post a bigger profit overall for the final quarter. But unlike you make out Capcom is in profit that's all .
You are seriously deluded and living in a fantasy land. Go home and leave us alone. There's no point continuing this since one person is correct and capcom who posted the results..the news media that showed the documents and everyone else is wrong.
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Let's be civil though, guys. Remember board rules are no personal attack or name calling.In the end we're only disagreeing about video games and our hobbies here- as important as they are to us.
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Let's be civil though, guys. Remember board rules are no personal attack or name calling.In the end we're only disagreeing about video games and our hobbies here- as important as they are to us.
If you be more civil to Miyamoto.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=923896
Seems NeoGAF are claiming SEGA's downsizing from the news.
I don't fully understand these finances. So are SEGA reducing one or two of their departments or are they really restructuring their Video Game Department yet again?
Every news outlet I see tells us a different viewpoint on whether SEGA is doing great or horribly.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=923896
Seems NeoGAF are claiming SEGA's downsizing from the news.
I don't fully understand these finances. So are SEGA reducing one or two of their departments or are they really restructuring their Video Game Department yet again?
Every news outlet I see tells us a different viewpoint on whether SEGA is doing great or horribly.
They aren't restructuring, it seems like a Nintendo fanboys dream for SEGA to be bought out considering the thread starter's subsequent posts.
Both sides of the company are in track to post operating profits, SEGA's consumer division is expected to post over 5 billion yen profit by the end of the fiscal year despite the incoming Phantasy Star Nova and Sonic Boom failures.
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Any layoffs expected tho?
Restructuring is a much different thing than simply downsizing in most cases anyway
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[Let's be civil though, guys. Remember board rules are no personal attack or name calling.
I'm not name calling or doing any personal attacks . Just stating Capcom posted a profit and SEGA didn't that's all . Joe just can't seem to deal with facts .
They aren't restructuring, it seems like a Nintendo fanboys dream for SEGA to be bought
No SEGA isn't , but its clear it's becoming less and less a key player in the console business and that for me is a serious worry
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Any layoffs expected tho?
Restructuring is a much different thing than simply downsizing in most cases anyway
Nothing that would effect us in the grand scheme of things I believe.
Reorganization into three business groups
The Group companies will be reorganized into three business groups by around April 2015.
1) Pachislot and pachinko machines business centering on Sammy Corporation
2) Entertainment contents business with SEGA CORPORATION’s network game business at its core
3) Resort business engaged in the development of hotels, golf courses, facility business and other businesses
Each business group will accelerate the decision-making process, streamline overlapping functions, build a system that will allow the appropriate injection of management resources, and enhance management efficiency by adapting to the changes in the business environment.
Most of the arcade teams will probably move into the mobile division if I had to hazard a guess after successes like Chain Chronicles and probably soon with the World's End Eclipse.
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Good Good. Just as long as Sega Consumer teams don't get irrevocably neutered for succeeding again.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=923896
Seems NeoGAF are claiming SEGA's downsizing from the news.
I don't fully understand these finances. So are SEGA reducing one or two of their departments or are they really restructuring their Video Game Department yet again?
Every news outlet I see tells us a different viewpoint on whether SEGA is doing great or horribly.
Ignore them...is very sad to see so much ignorance in the internet...not than i am surprised...
The videogame division is doing better than ever, even if you dont like the games they are releasing they managed to be a profitable company again. The thing is that SEGA have 3 divisions (Arcades, videogames, and administration of halls) and the other 2 division are having a bad time, they are not lossing a lot of money but they are lossing in the end. If this is not bad enough SAMMY is also having some problems, they are not earning the same amount of money they used to be, and in the long term this will bring problems to the whole company.
To make this clear, everything EXCEPT the videogame division is having a bad time, and because of this they want to restructure the rest of their divisions. I am not sure if this means layoffs but i really doubt that this will effect the videogame whole in general.
Look everybody SEGA think that the future is the digital and mobile games but that doesnt mean they will stop doing physical games one day from another (there you have alien isolation in physical for example), and in the end this division is winning money so is not like we can argue with them in that part...
Over depende on SONIC....bitch please....So you can get an idea SEGA-SAMMY have 2 billons dollars in the bank...so, yeah...
I hope this make cleal the situation.
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We really need to get people on Neogaf that actually know whats going on, the little shit that made that topic is frothing at the mouth over this. It's full of spin...
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There is an actual moderator that he is trying to keep the things cool and understandable... but you know, Gaf users never listen
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who cares about neogaf. What matters is what is really going on.
I'm happy to hear the videogames division is doing alright.
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Yeah that's dandy and all, but could really care less If they're not getting localized..
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Yeah that's dandy and all, but could really care less If they're not getting localized..
-SEGA is lossing money
-You: It would help if they release their games outside Japan...
-SEGA is winning money
-You: Then release your games outside Japan...
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I always find it amusing seeing certain people talk about how Nintendo should buy SEGA. They were so upset when SEGA bought out Atlus when they really thought Nintendo was going to get Atlus.
SEGA has a lot more money then most of them seem to realize.
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Secretly jealous that Sega made a better F-zero than Nintendo has.
They want the Sonic chance to get even, because that whole switch devs fantasy backfired on them =P
/endtinfoil
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Secretly jealous that Sega made a better F-zero than Nintendo has.
They want the Sonic chance to get even, because that whole switch devs fantasy backfired on them =P
/endtinfoil
That same man that made a better Fzero also made Yakuza, and has also took advantage of SEGA's partnership with Nintendo with his Yakuza and Sonic deals. The man is indeed quite amazing
(http://i.imgur.com/tMdGThe.jpg)
The guy sure knows how to make money. Good to have him in charge of SEGA's software division.
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-SEGA is lossing money
-You: It would help if they release their games outside Japan...
-SEGA is winning money
-You: Then release your games outside Japan...
I don't see a problem with either of my statements.
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We really need to get people on Neogaf that actually know whats going on, the little shit that made that topic is frothing at the mouth over this. It's full of spin...
That's Neogaf for you, they did the same for Capcom just a few months back, which some here had fun with . In the end NCL will never buy SEGA as SEGA really have nothing at all to offer NCL. NCL have no interest in the Arcades, zero interest with the PC, SEGA have next to no IP that can sell or shift consoles (which NCL is desperate for) and then NCL is miles behind on digital and the on-line side of things , so on every level it's non deal
What makes me sick with the likes of Neo is when the likes of NCl reported losses, that's ok and just the market for you, when SEGA reported a loss it's SEGA finished and they'll be bought out , when its rubbish . To me more of a worry is SEGA Japan focus on mobile and cheap and easy productions and turning its back more and more on being a major player for the next gen consoles. Now before JOE and the rest of the ' SEGA Control Attack Team' back, just remember a few things ...
All the other major corps all have digital and mobile studios:the likes of EA make more revenue from the mobile's that SEGA does. So I can't see why SEGA Japan can't like what EA does, have a separate dept/studio to handle the mobile/digital side of things but also have their elite studio's making AAA games for the next gen consoles - That way you've got all the bases covered and you please the fans ....
Or are the SEGA fans left here, happy to see SEGA Japan just become a Mobile developer, which is pretty much the direction they are heading in ?
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I'm not name calling or doing any personal attacks . Just stating Capcom posted a profit and SEGA didn't that's all . Joe just can't seem to deal with facts .
What FACTS? You haven't backed up any of you're claims. You haven't done it here or the capcom topic or anything else. You had over four people with facts and the actual evidence backing them up. You have articles from the company themselves that CAPCOM's profits made a loss and Sega's didn't. You keep trolling this thing and making yourself look like the fool you are each and everytime. You STILL haven't backed anything on it. And no one cares because the evidence is right before you eyes. Until you stop slandering people TWIST THEIR WORDS and downright lying than you won't be insulted. You get what you give out. You are an insult to everyones intelligence aT THE MOMENT. And when you can't win on the facts you complain or start to lie about it. Gimme a break...
No SEGA isn't , but its clear it's becoming less and less a key player in the console business and that for me is a serious worry
The shrinking console market that capcom lost a lot of money on..yeah right....Sega really gives a fig...
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Ignore them...is very sad to see so much ignorance in the internet...not than i am surprised...
The videogame division is doing better than ever, even if you dont like the games they are releasing they managed to be a profitable company again. The thing is that SEGA have 3 divisions (Arcades, videogames, and administration of halls) and the other 2 division are having a bad time, they are not lossing a lot of money but they are lossing in the end. If this is not bad enough SAMMY is also having some problems, they are not earning the same amount of money they used to be, and in the long term this will bring problems to the whole company.
To make this clear, everything EXCEPT the videogame division is having a bad time, and because of this they want to restructure the rest of their divisions. I am not sure if this means layoffs but i really doubt that this will effect the videogame whole in general.
Look everybody SEGA think that the future is the digital and mobile games but that doesnt mean they will stop doing physical games one day from another (there you have alien isolation in physical for example), and in the end this division is winning money so is not like we can argue with them in that part...
Over depende on SONIC....bitch please....So you can get an idea SEGA-SAMMY have 2 billons dollars in the bank...so, yeah...
I hope this make cleal the situation.
It is clear..the problem is you have zealots like TA who are out of touch and have no clue about game finances..and decides to keep
TROLL
SLANDER
REPEAT
until he feels everyone believes him because he thinks everyone around here are stupid thatt hey won't find out for themselves. Sad really.
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What FACTS? You haven't backed up any of you're claims
Why do people even bother ?
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/capcom-revenue-and-profit-fall-due-to-lack-of-new-/1100-6423243/ (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/capcom-revenue-and-profit-fall-due-to-lack-of-new-/1100-6423243/)
http://www.tssznews.com/2014/11/02/sega-sammy-posts-18-5-million-loss-restructuring-to-focus-on-online-games/ (http://www.tssznews.com/2014/11/02/sega-sammy-posts-18-5-million-loss-restructuring-to-focus-on-online-games/)
One corp is able to post a profit and the other isn't . Just the facts .
The shrinking console market that capcom lost a lot of money on..yeah righ
Next Gen Console market is growing . Both Sony and MS are seeing amazing sales of the PS4 and XBox One , sales that are well ahead of their predecessors and that's a fact . Trouble is SEGA have next to zero presence on the next gen consoles in the West other than the odd game here and there .
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TA, stop. You are spinning the same answers over and over again. We explained what happened with that loss and you are repeating the same deal with Capcom and Sega not taking part of the next gen jump. Sure, Capcom will do it...with a F2P exclusive for PS4....did you see that? A market where Sega is
more than capable that many companies in the business.
We know the answers already . Stop pretending that it's the big deal that Sega are losing it.
Also, the market it's not stable right now. Ninty didn't sell well, Sony are in the board of bankruptcy despites great sales with the PS4 and Microsoft are doubtful with the Xbox Brand.
And that's a fact, by the way.
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with a F2P exclusive for PS4....did you see that? A market where Sega is
SEGA doesn't not have a F2P game on the next gen consoles (well unless you want to class the Vita) and again F2P is really nothing that other corps have either done or are developing games, even Capcom with Monster Hunter and Deep Down F2P games in development for the PC and PS4 . Far better if SEGA Japan brought PSO II to the next gen consoles where it could get some nice sales.
Sony are in the board of bankruptcy despites great sales with the PS4 and Microsoft are doubtful with the Xbox Brand
SONY are going nowhere and console arm is one of the few bright spots with over 13 million PS4 sold already. MS not only as the XBox Division reported a profit , not only are sales up thanks to the price cut . MS is now spending millions on pushing the system and a massive focus on game . Sony and MS are set for a great Christmas and bummer sales just a shame that SOJ is nowhere on the next gen to cash in on the new console owners looking for new games
Also, the market it's not stable right now. Ninty didn't sell well
That's nothing to do with the market and everything to do with Nintendo selling Hardware that years out of date with a lame line and pee poor 3rd Party Support . Wii U is a gimmick too far and like I said with the Sonic deal , it was a bad idea to support the Wii U . Sonic should have been on the 360,PS3, XBox One and PS4 But they you go , the people at SammySega don't really have the 1st clue
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That NeoGAF thread is hilarious.
"Nintendo needs to buy Sonic to save him!"
"Sega OMG don't u ruin my ATLUS! I want new PurseOwner games!"
"So Sad, Sega should have kept making consoles, then they'd be doing well!"
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That NeoGAF thread is hilarious.
"Nintendo needs to buy Sonic to save him!"
"Sega OMG don't u ruin my ATLUS! I want new PurseOwner games!"
"So Sad, Sega should have kept making consoles, then they'd be doing well!"
A lot of people that clearly need to have sex...
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TA, stop. You are spinning the same answers over and over again. We explained what happened with that loss and you are repeating the same deal with Capcom and Sega not taking part of the next gen jump. Sure, Capcom will do it...with a F2P exclusive for PS4....did you see that? A market where Sega is
more than capable that many companies in the business.
We know the answers already . Stop pretending that it's the big deal that Sega are losing it.
Also, the market it's not stable right now. Ninty didn't sell well, Sony are in the board of bankruptcy despites great sales with the PS4 and Microsoft are doubtful with the Xbox Brand.
And that's a fact, by the way.
Exactly. This is exactly what i mean about TA...spin and lies and spin and more lying. He thinks this is 2004 when not many people understood the innerworkings of Sega..their past history or current financial reports. Were in 2014...posting in a website for smart Sega fans or Sega smart fans..people who know the inner dealings of Sega and their people and the development and history of the company as well as understanding Financial reports. He can troll this forum all he wants..no one here is going to believe his nonsense anymore. Anyway I'm going to post something that will remove all doubt..but its bigger than the current situation and refers to the past. Only a few members will really understand the implications in terms of finance.
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and the development and history of the company as well as understanding Financial reports.
I do and it doesn't make great reading for SEGA at the mo . They're becoming less and less important on the consoles and I'll know you hit back with the mobile , but just bare one thing in mind Square Enix, EA, generate more revenue for the mobile/digital sector but also have big focus on the next gen consoles too . SEGA Japan is basically saying it's not good enough to compete on the next gen consoles anymore , its quite sad to see .
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I do and it doesn't make great reading for SEGA at the mo . They're becoming less and less important on the consoles and I'll know you hit back with the mobile , but just bare one thing in mind Square Enix, EA, generate more revenue for the mobile/digital sector but also have big focus on the next gen consoles too . SEGA Japan is basically saying it's not good enough to compete on the next gen consoles anymore , its quite sad to see .
You don't. Sega had they not had to close those that arcade facility would have had a healthier profit sheet. But since you like to keep focusing on consumer vs consumer division..then Sega wins because its profits are up but bigger than Capcom. As its been for a long while now. Why do you keep twisting facts and try to make out its always the consumer part of sega that posted the loss? Sega has tons of divisions in their company and they would affect the outcome of any profit margin. The arcade, Panchinko and the consumer divisions are the ones that affect the big picture. And the consumer division is the one that is posting profit. All for anyone to see. So yes you are out of touch and obviously lack any understanding about corporate fiances..
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You don't. Sega had they not had to close those that arcade facility would have had a healthier profit sheet
I'm not going on about the Arcade side, that's even more depressing reading . I'm on about the consumer side and SEGA's revenue/games sales and numbers in that division are hardly world beaters and where even Square can boast more revenue than SEGA.
Now if EA and Square can 'like' SEGA have a nice mobile/digital arm , but also 'unlike' SEGA have major next gen games and engines in development , why can't SEGA Japan . You maybe happy to see SEGA Japan just become a mobile player , I am not . I don't any of the SEGA fans here or what's left of the old guard , even own much less have played any of SOJ mobile games .
SEGA Japan needs some AAA games and some decent tech on the next gen or its just going to die even more of death to most games than it already has . SEGA Japan could do 3 simple moves that wouldn't cost the earth but help it get some foothold on the next gen . PSO II and Sonic for the next gen system for starters , then after that look to bring Boarder Break to the next gen for massive multi player mayhem .
Not only do SEGA get a foothold on the next gen, you also start to please some of the SEGA fans
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I'm not going on about the Arcade side, that's even more depressing reading . I'm on about the consumer side and SEGA's revenue/games sales and numbers in that division are hardly world beaters and where even Square can boast more revenue than SEGA.
Now if EA and Square can 'like' SEGA have a nice mobile/digital arm , but also 'unlike' SEGA have major next gen games and engines in development , why can't SEGA Japan . You maybe happy to see SEGA Japan just become a mobile player , I am not . I don't any of the SEGA fans here or what's left of the old guard , even own much less have played any of SOJ mobile games .
SEGA Japan needs some AAA games and some decent tech on the next gen or its just going to die even more of death to most games than it already has . SEGA Japan could do 3 simple moves that wouldn't cost the earth but help it get some foothold on the next gen . PSO II and Sonic for the next gen system for starters , then after that look to bring Boarder Break to the next gen for massive multi player mayhem .
Not only do SEGA get a foothold on the next gen, you also start to please some of the SEGA fans
Then why don't you actually BACK UP what you are saying with a quote and link saying that the company's consumer division lost money. All you doing is repeat repeat repeat without backing anything up. Aki said that the consumer division hasn't lost anyb money. More people around here will listen to him than they will you.
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To make this clear, everything EXCEPT the videogame division is having a bad time
Thanks for the clarification!
I did read your points before NeoGAF and went "Hey up? What's this? It seems that they're pretty misinformed given what I read on SEGAbits"
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Thanks for the clarification!
I did read your points before NeoGAF and went "Hey up? What's this? It seems that they're pretty misinformed given what I read on SEGAbits"
You have the report from Aki if you have more doubts.
Dont trust what other websites say...the industry is full of sensationalism...
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Then why don't you actually BACK UP what you are saying with a quote and link saying that the company's consumer division lost money
What are you on about ? I have't said the consumer division posted a loss , I said SEGA did which they did and of one looks at the sales figs and revenue SEGA consumer sales are hardly spectacular.
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What are you on about ? I have't said the consumer division posted a loss , I said SEGA did which they did and of one looks at the sales figs and revenue SEGA consumer sales are hardly spectacular.
Really...Here's what TA said...
Capcom made a profit , something which SEGA couldn't even with its digital
sales, it's PC sales and all the other dept's you love to list , also
Capcom got more revenue from games than SEGA . Watch Capcom post rather nice
profit in the next quarter on the back of the new Monster Hunter alone . So
sorry again you're very much wrong.
Very clear you were comparing the games divison. Sega lost money but made a profit MORE than Capcom overall. Their consumer divison didn't post a loss and made MORE than Capcom. Go away kid...
Aki and the Segabits staff broke it down it still adds up to more profit than capcom
Mariano who's first languange isn't english managed to understand the report.
Nirmugen also agrees if not the majority of the forum members.
Its only you who is saying EVERYONE else is wrong ..as usual. You are either a simpleton or trolling to keep the attention on you. You keep derailing positive threads with nonsense about the SAME FUCKING thing that people beat you on months ago.
Wanna report me go ahead you frig. I want something done about you bringing up the same subject in topics that has nothing to do with the topic matter. At one case you were trolling five different topics about the same FUNKING thing. I and others have had enough. There should be a rule that the topic stays on its matter and not about another subject..or people should be banned. And you TA are at the cause of it.
When i go into BAYONETTA topic i want to talk about the game and the actual GAMEPLAY not what Sega or PG oir Nintendo did behind the scenes or its finacial situation. Going into Segabits forums in any topic is like walking into another Financial report time in time out. Its getting stupid and out of hand. ENOUGH!
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Very clear you were comparing the games divison
Nope and very clear you're twisting . Just said SEGA made a loss, unlike Capcom and if one looks deeper in to SEGA Consume sales they're hardly brilliant in terms of sales . They're good and nice, but lots of corps can boost bigger sales even in the digital area . Going forward SEGA Japan seem to have no major plans for the XBox One or PS4 and that to me is troubling
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Nope and very clear i'm twisting
There. That's what you meant.
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Ouch, well will have to see. The stuff released after the period end will technically be recognized next period but its good to be optimistic. Perhaps it might be favorable to buy Sega shares now?
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Ouch, well will have to see. The stuff released after the period end will technically be recognized next period but its good to be optimistic. Perhaps it might be favorable to buy Sega shares now?
Kudos mate..buying a share won't hurt...
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Ouch, well will have to see. The stuff released after the period end will technically be recognized next period but its good to be optimistic. Perhaps it might be favorable to buy Sega shares now?
They've released FM, Alien Isolation, Valkyria chronicles, and will soon release a COH2 expansion.
I think it's pretty much assured that the company will make money unless the Amusement sector screws up hard.
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They've released FM, Alien Isolation, Valkyria chronicles, and will soon release a COH2 expansion.
I think it's pretty much assured that the company will make money unless the Amusement sector screws up hard.
-Plus a bunch of mobile and digital releases;
-PSNova, Dengeki and Shining Resonance in JP;
-And a big update (Final Boss galore) for PSO2.
Yup, Consumer Business are safe and lucrative this quarter.