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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Trippled on November 03, 2014, 06:53:43 am
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“What you see in the trailer is really how it was at the time – it’s not a parody,”
For example, the part in the trailer where people are waving ¥10,000 notes in the street to flag down a taxi really used to happen. I once saw a guy in a drinking establishment flash open a suitcase full of money to impress the ladies. That’s the sort of time it was.”
“They’re both still young outlaws”
“Kiryu is the violent type and he likes to get his hands dirty, while Majima is earning a comfortable living and is quite well adjusted. He’s quite the opposite of the Majima fans know today.”
“I’ve always wanted to make a Yakuza prequel,” Nagoshi says, “but after the first two games everyone wanted a third, and then a fourth, and the chance to return to the start of the story never came up. With next year being the tenth anniversary, it seemed like a good opportunity, especially since Yakuza 6 will require a lot more time to make.”
On classic Sega games in Yakuza Zero:
''Nagoshi promises more, and teases that we may even see Mega Drives, perhaps a nod to the console’s 1988 release.''
On making an incentive for gamers to pick up a PS4, by making it exclusive for that system.
“We considered making it for PS4 only, but while the graphics and performance would be better, fewer people would be able to play it,”
“It’s still too early in the PS4’s life to make an exclusive game for that system – and the same goes for Nintendo’s and Microsoft’s consoles.”
“That’s for Sony to figure out,” he laughs. “We don’t make hardware any more, so our focus is on making great games that will satisfy lots of gamers.”
On overseas publishing and western games
''Nagoshi hasn’t ruled out an English release either, but China is a huge potential market for Japanese game makers. Now that foreign game consoles are allowed to be sold in mainland China, a fresh market of almost 1.4 billion new consumers is hard to pass up. Despite this, the main audience for Nagoshi’s games remains Japan. The market has grown ever more insular, and the games that generated the biggest buzz at TGS were domestic. Nagoshi foresaw this trend and made the first Yakuza game to capitalise on it; he certainly doesn’t believe Japanese developers should chase global appeal. “If anything, I think overseas publishers should make more effort to create games that will sell in Japan,” he says. “Games from overseas are clearly high quality, but the ones that sell 300,000 or 500,000 copies in Japan are rare. They would be better off creating titles that are targeted towards Japan, and then cultivating a bigger market here for the games they are currently releasing.”
And on Hero Bank
“The market for kids’ games is extremely difficult to crack, and publishers such as Bandai Namco and Level-5 are excellent in that regard,” says Nagoshi. “I think it’s important to attempt something difficult and to learn as you go until you create a hit, rather than to be put off. We’ve learned a lot already from Hero Bank, and I’m sure we’ll create even more IPs [that are] aimed at kids.”
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Interesting that Edge is doing a piece on a game that likely will never be translated into English?
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Interesting that Edge is doing a piece on a game that likely will never be translated into English?
I guess they have a good relationship with Nagoshi (he wrote a column on F-Zero GX back then)
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Nagoshi foresaw this trend and made the first Yakuza game to capitalise on it; he certainly doesn’t believe Japanese developers should chase global appeal. “If anything, I think overseas publishers should make more effort to create games that will sell in Japan,” he says. “Games from overseas are clearly high quality, but the ones that sell 300,000 or 500,000 copies in Japan are rare. They would be better off creating titles that are targeted towards Japan, and then cultivating a bigger market here for the games they are currently releasing.”
Can't say I agree with Nagoshi here, and I don't see this happening anytime soon anyway. We also heard a very different story from him back when Team Yakuza was working on Binary Domain, which was targeted towards the western market. Perhaps the failure of that game explains his current view of the market.
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That is a dangerous mindset for him to have, especially since a lot of criticism towards Japanese developers during these recent years was that they weren't trying to reach global audience and came off as stagnate. This seems in line with their less risk initiative, but will it help in the long run?
Binary Domain was a solid game and I was disappointed it bombed hard (which lead to where we are now), but from my perspective, the issue wouldn't have been so severe if there had been an actual push for the game's presence in the West.
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We also heard a very different story from him back when Team Yakuza was working on Binary Domain, which was targeted towards the western market.
He said very different stuff before that and how the likes of Daytona USA , Super Monkeyball II were made with world wide appeal . Nagoshi-san also contradict himself on many issues . Always wanted to make Yakuza 0 but users asked for Part III Ect, I doubt many users asked for Kenzan straight after Yakuza II for starters and failing that why not make Yakuza 0 instead of Yakuza Ishin or Dead souls . It just more like the Team have run out of ideas and like with films and games, a easy way out is to make a prequel, rather than a direct sequel .
Also it's laughable to see Nagoshi-san go on about the user base and how Western developers should do more for Japan. Looking over the 13 million plus PS4 users, the 8 million plus XBone One users (sales are in the West Nagoshi-san) and why should Western developers make games for Japan ; A market that has shrunk massively over the years and now its handheld and mobile central . Its depressing that this guy who's so out of touch , is at the top of SEGA Japan control for games . Its hardly any wonder SEGA Japan is in the mess its in for the consoles
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Do you have the link of that interview Trippled?
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Its depressing that this guy who's so out of touch , i
The pot calling the kettle black..LOL!
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Can't say I agree with Nagoshi here, and I don't see this happening anytime soon anyway. We also heard a very different story from him back when Team Yakuza was working on Binary Domain, which was targeted towards the western market. Perhaps the failure of that game explains his current view of the market.
Nagoshi has been too immersed with japan ever since YAKUZA got big. Even BINARY DOMAIN was quite Japan focused. I no doubt had the studio hit big with BD as well and created more titles in that series as well as new titles..they would have had a Japan focus element in them too. Japanese culture doesn't appeal to westerners outside certain anime or martial arts elements like Ninjas and Samurai. And all they are interested in that regard is the fighting and not the idea of drama from Japan. But it does well in japan obviously for Sega. And his key word..China. Itr just sounds to me that Sega is going for China(yet again) and ignore the western market completly and leave that market for Sega west to make games for..which is what they're been doing for a while now.
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The pot calling the kettle black..LOL!
No its just shows how out of touch he is. I'll give a classic example. Dead Rising III as sold more copies alone on the XBox One than any single Yakuza game you could care to mention and that's one game on the XBox One
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No its just shows how out of touch he is. I'll give a classic example. Dead Rising III as sold more copies alone on the XBox One than any single Yakuza game you could care to mention and that's one game on the XBox One
Yet capcom stated that their profits have been underperforming..so a lot good that did.LOL...Unlike YAKUZA and sega consumer divison posting profit year in year out...
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Yet capcom stated that their profits have been underperforming..so a lot good that did.LOL...Unlike YAKUZA and sega consumer divison posting profit year in year out...
1) Capcom made and posted a profit . 2) Dead Rising 3 came out last year and was reflected in Capcom's earlier set of results
Xbox One exclusive Dead Rising 3 has sold 1.2m units, helping Capcom to a welcome boost in profits.
Microsoft has shipped 5m Xbox Ones, and while actual sales remain shrouded in mystery that still represents at attach rate of anything between 1-in-3 and 1-in-5, which is potentially very impressive.
Monster Hunter 4 was the publisher's star pupil, however, with sales of 4.1m units since its release in September – all of which makes it Capcom's sixth best selling title ever and bumps the series as a whole to over 28m unit sales.
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen enjoyed “firm sales”, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Dual Destinies “basically achieved” targets and DuckTales: Remastered “over-performed”. Lost Planet 3, as expected, missed targets due to what Capcom describes as “increased competition”.
Capcom's overall sales for the year ending March 31st climbed nearly nine per cent to Y102.2bn with profits up 16 per cent at Y3.4bn.
Just shows you how out out of touch Nagoshi-san and SEGA Japan are . There is a massive market on the next gen and Dead Rising 3 on the XBox 1 sells better than any single copy of Yakuza ever made fact .
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I don't understand why Nagoshi's statement makes him closed minded. This generation is already looking so much better then last generation because most Japanese developers seemed to have gone back to making Japanese style games. They tried making western style games last generation to appeal to westerners and failed big time. I mean there is nothing wrong appealing to a worldwide audience, but at the same time, I'm a huge fan of JP style games. There is no reason we can't have both style of games on consoles. Japanese developers should develop what they are best at making, rather then making me-too western games that aren't as good as the western games they are trying to imitate.
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I still say that the future for innovative and interresting games lies in smaller games (indie, kickstrater, downloadable)
Which is why the purchase of Atlus makes sense in an ideal world, but right now just seems wierd.
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I don't understand why Nagoshi's statement makes him closed minded.
Developing a title on a single platform and a game that will never leave Japan . You can make a Japanese game , but if you make it multi Platform and give it worldwide lauch you can have a success on your hands as we see with games like Evil WithIn (which has japanese as you can get) or Dark Souls II .
There's no reason why SEGA Japan can't have a decent mobile division and also a great focus on the next gen , other that SEGA Sammy simply not wanting to take the risk
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I don't understand why Nagoshi's statement makes him closed minded. This generation is already looking so much better then last generation because most Japanese developers seemed to have gone back to making Japanese style games. They tried making western style games last generation to appeal to westerners and failed big time. I mean there is nothing wrong appealing to a worldwide audience, but at the same time, I'm a huge fan of JP style games. There is no reason we can't have both style of games on consoles. Japanese developers should develop what they are best at making, rather then making me-too western games that aren't as good as the western games they are trying to imitate.
I agree, I hate the idea of making a game for 'Western appeal' or 'Japanese appeal'. Why not just try to make the game 'good'?
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They’re both still young outlaws kkk
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1) Capcom made and posted a profit . 2) Dead Rising 3 came out last year and was reflected in Capcom's earlier set of results
Nope..they have had profit loss for the last few years. And you haven't been able to prove you're point. Again debating with you is a waste of time...
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I don't understand why Nagoshi's statement makes him closed minded. This generation is already looking so much better then last generation because most Japanese developers seemed to have gone back to making Japanese style games. They tried making western style games last generation to appeal to westerners and failed big time. I mean there is nothing wrong appealing to a worldwide audience, but at the same time, I'm a huge fan of JP style games. There is no reason we can't have both style of games on consoles. Japanese developers should develop what they are best at making, rather then making me-too western games that aren't as good as the western games they are trying to imitate.
I also agree but we have to think in one thing. In my opinion this is actually very commun in the east culture, especially in Japan.
Look at this for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal%C3%A1pagos_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal%C3%A1pagos_syndrome)
Do you undestand? is VERY commun that japanese people act like this, is something way more difficult to get that cant be only related to videogames.
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“We considered making it for PS4 only, but while the graphics and performance would be better, fewer people would be able to play it,”
He's ignoring the 10 million western userbase (well...and the 500,000 userbase of Japan) and potentially releasing the game in their single market of 10 million PS3 userbase.
Can't be release it on PS4 for the west but keep it on PS3 in Japan?
I seriously don't get his logic. Gamers are hungry for games yet SEGA keeps ignoring the growing install base of the PS4.
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“We considered making it for PS4 only, but while the graphics and performance would be better, fewer people would be able to play it,”
He's ignoring the 10 million western userbase (well...and the 500,000 userbase of Japan) and potentially releasing the game in their single market of 10 million PS3 userbase.
Can't be release it on PS4 for the west but keep it on PS3 in Japan?
I seriously don't get his logic. Gamers are hungry for games yet SEGA keeps ignoring the growing install base of the PS4.
YAKUZA ZERO is coming out on both systems PS3 and PS4. And we all know why they won't consider the west because the games didn't sell as strong. Even though localising Y0 won't be as much of a problem like the previous titles...
Also anyone noticed the other comment...
“It’s still too early in the PS4’s life to make an exclusive game for that
system – and the same goes for Nintendo’s and Microsoft’s consoles.”
? Considering Sega has just made deals to create exclusives for the WiiU with SONIC and BAYONETTA 2 (which backfired) and no presence on the XBO..this comment doesn't make sense. Unless he's let the cat out of the bag about future titles...
Also the YAKUZA 0 exclusive comment really means Sony didn't want to pay Sega to keep it as a PS4 only exclusive. SOJ wants to play heavyweight in the console arena without really creating the titles or making sure the titles released become heavyweights in the first place for them to warrant exclusivity.
BAYONETTA 2 is a perfect example of that. Shopping that game around until Nintendo picked it up. BAY 2 shouldn't have been an exclusive in the first place. It still has n't estabilshed itself to become a bona fide multi million franchise..that's why the second game was important and that's why it was important to see its released on more than one system.Yakuza proved it was a big seller when the sequel sold in high numbers..leaving Sega and Sony to agree on an exclusivity deal where the third game became a system pack in and Sony would handle the marketing for that title and VALKRIA CHRONCLES. YAKUZA 3 then help shift PS3's across japan at a time when PS3 sales was sluggish.
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YAKUZA ZERO is coming out on both systems PS3 and PS4. And we all know why they won't consider the west because the games didn't sell as strong. Even though localising Y0 won't be as much of a problem like the previous titles...
Also anyone noticed the other comment...
? Considering Sega has just made deals to create exclusives for the WiiU with SONIC and BAYONETTA 2 (which backfired) and no presence on the XBO..this comment doesn't make sense. Unless he's let the cat out of the bag about future titles...
Also the YAKUZA 0 exclusive comment really means Sony didn't want to pay Sega to keep it as a PS4 only exclusive. SOJ wants to play heavyweight in the console arena without really creating the titles or making sure the titles released become heavyweights in the first place for them to warrant exclusivity.
BAYONETTA 2 is a perfect example of that. Shopping that game around until Nintendo picked it up. BAY 2 shouldn't have been an exclusive in the first place. It still has n't estabilshed itself to become a bona fide multi million franchise..that's why the second game was important and that's why it was important to see its released on more than one system.Yakuza proved it was a big seller when the sequel sold in high numbers..leaving Sega and Sony to agree on an exclusivity deal where the third game became a system pack in and Sony would handle the marketing for that title and VALKRIA CHRONCLES. YAKUZA 3 then help shift PS3's across japan at a time when PS3 sales was sluggish.
Understandable but still it makes me wonder why they haven't seen the rate of PS4 adoption as an opportunistic advantage to get Yakuza rebooted as a brand.
I can understand the risks to it, but it's worth a final push to establish the brand with where it all started?
As for the other comment, I guess he wants to keep certain projects under wraps until next year.
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Considering Sega has just made deals to create exclusives for the WiiU with SONIC and BAYONETTA 2
Almost laughable . The Wii U has been a massive sales disaster and like I said the time , The Sonic deal was a complete joke and Sonic should have been on the 360 and PS3 and anything thinking Bayonetta II would sell well was kidding them self's . But hey that's the current SEGASammy board for you
And we all know why they won't consider the west because the games didn't sell as strong.
And hence why it never been a multi million seller and why SEGA Japan will become even less important to the console gamer. Other that Yakuza SEGA Japan simple don't have any hard hitting AAA games and why for most console gamers they don't care for SEGA Japan anymore
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Almost laughable . The Wii U has been a massive sales disaster and like I said the time , The Sonic deal was a complete joke and Sonic should have been on the 360 and PS3 and anything thinking Bayonetta II would sell well was kidding them self's . But hey that's the current SEGASammy board for you
And hence why it never been a multi million seller and why SEGA Japan will become even less important to the console gamer. Other that Yakuza SEGA Japan simple don't have any hard hitting AAA games and why for most console gamers they don't care for SEGA Japan anymore
They do..its just not console apart from PHANTASY STAR and YAKUZA and SONIC and MIKU. And of course the profits speak for themselves..Sega 3- Capcom - 0. How do you like them applecandys?
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They do..its just not console apart from PHANTASY STAR and YAKUZA and SONIC and MIKU.
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And yet Sega still posted a strong profit.
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And yet Sega still posted a strong profit.
SEGA posted a loss and even its consumer division sales are nothing to shout about really. Squaresoft on the other hand posted a rather nice profit helped no end by strong sales of Tomb Raider on the next gen . If Sonic and PS II were on the next gen I bet SEGA would see nice returns for starters and its consumer division posted even more profits
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Squaresoft on the other hand posted a rather nice profit helped no end by strong sales of Tomb Raider on the next gen.
I'm sorry TA but LOL, Squaresoft xD we are not in the early noughties anymore xD
And we say that Sega had a loss for a investment on a resort a week ago with a great article thanks to Aki....
If Sonic and PS II were on the next gen I bet SEGA would see nice returns for starters and its consumer division posted even more profits.
Yes, it will be new games for those franchises but they didn't want or have a reason to prove anything or or working for the next-gen full time. You can call back any company but look at this:
-Capcom: F2P game exclusive for Japan and for PS4. No multi-plats.
-Bamco: Games from established media franchises like Dragon Ball. A port of a Vita game.
-Square-Enix: 8 years in development games and they have the ultimatum for the next-gen in Japan.
-Koei-Tecmo: Moar Dinasty Warriors games.
Nobody is jumping full-size. And, also Sega in 2016 will do it with another Yakuza, next year with Sonic.
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Square made a profit of over 60 million helped no end by strong sales of TR on the next gen and as for other 3rd parties plans ..
Capcom already confirmed RE6 is way into development and that RE remake , Resident Evil Revelations 2 are all multi-Platform and its almost a given that DMV V is in development and multi . Square are going big on the next gen with Final Fantasy and its new engine, the exclusive deal they done with MS and the new stunning looking Tomb Raider.. Konami MGS and Pro Evo on the next gen and making use of the impressive Fox engine. Temco will soon have a remake of DOA V to go and its already been confirmed that Ninja Gaiden 4 is in development , From Software have the amazing looking bloodborne in development . Namco well they're crap but even they have showed off Tekken 7,(while SEGA VF fans are stilling waiting and hopping for VF 6)
What we get from SEGA Japan ? Nothing over than a PS3 game running at double the frame rate on the PS4 . SEGA Japan can do a lot better than that
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SEGA posted a loss and even its consumer division sales are nothing to shout
about really. Squaresoft on the other hand posted a rather nice profit helped no
end by strong sales of Tomb Raider on the next gen . If Sonic and PS II were on
the next gen I bet SEGA would see nice returns for starters and its consumer
division posted even more profits
Living in denial..how sad...
I'm sorry TA but LOL, Squaresoft xD we are not in the early noughties anymore xD
And we say that Sega had a loss for a investment on a resort a week ago with a great article thanks to Aki....
Yes, it will be new games for those franchises but they didn't want or have a reason to prove anything or or working for the next-gen full time. You can call back any company but look at this:
-Capcom: F2P game exclusive for Japan and for PS4. No multi-plats.
-Bamco: Games from established media franchises like Dragon Ball. A port of a Vita game.
-Square-Enix: 8 years in development games and they have the ultimatum for the next-gen in Japan.
-Koei-Tecmo: Moar Dinasty Warriors games.
Nobody is jumping full-size. And, also Sega in 2016 will do it with another Yakuza, next year with Sonic.
Exactly...All the japanese companies have rushed too early on the next gen and many have posted a loss in profits as a result..Sega chose to hold back and wait..only going for Wii U as it was the cheapest option....and it only really confirmed their belif that the set up is not ready to sell a truckload of titles. TA can keep banging on about Sega's loss but he is living in denial..that Sega posted profit in its consumer divison without having the much next gen presence.
And from what Nagoshi was saying inthe interview there does seem to be plans to go next gen..but not yet.
And yes have a KUDOS from me...
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Exactly...All the japanese companies have rushed too early on the next gen and many have posted a loss in profits as a result.
Where have Konami, Capcom are indeed Square posted a loss this year ?
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Where have Konami, Capcom are indeed Square posted a loss this year ?
In the same world where Sega posted a profit.
Now until you can break it down where exactly Sega posted a loss in the consumer department or even prove where Capcom made more money i suggest you stop derailing this topic and get back on it. Any further off topic nonsense and i'm going to report you to the mods. Its bad enough that you are saying the same exact thing in two different topics...but yet provide no prove. Now stop it.
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In the same world where Sega posted a profit.
Now until you can break it down where exactly Sega posted a loss in the consumer department or even prove where Capcom made more money i suggest you stop derailing this topic and get back on it. Any further off topic nonsense and i'm going to report you to the mods. Its bad enough that you are saying the same exact thing in two different topics...but yet provide no prove. Now stop it.
SEGA posted a loss this year, Capcom, Konami, Square haven't . And you're the one that keeps on about the 'bottom line' Only this time you've come a cropper on it , with SEGA bottom line showing a loss .
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Can we talk about Yakuza here, please?
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SEGA posted a loss this year, Capcom, Konami, Square haven't . And you're the one that keeps on about the 'bottom line' Only this time you've come a cropper on it , with SEGA bottom line showing a loss .
Then i guess everyone else here who is saying the same thing i have with the evidence to back us up are wrong then and you who haven't provided ANYTHING isn't.
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Can we talk about Yakuza here, please?
Well i'm importing the game once its released...guess that's the only way to play YAKUZA these days..anyway..
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Well i'm importing the game once its released...guess that's the only way to play YAKUZA these days..anyway..
I'm holding out hope the Chinese version has some kind of English subtitles. Even if it's 'All your base are belong to us' quality.
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Even if it's 'All your base are belong to us' quality.
Those days are long behind us...
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Those days are long behind us...
For a dedicated English translation I agree, but for a 'Asia Pacific - General' release? I wouldn't be surprised if the skimped. I know that Demon's Souls for example had different translations for the Asian and "English" release. Not sure of the quality of dialogue etc, but looking at a chart it was mainly just synonyms and minor changes (Flame Thrower became Flame Launcher, Crescent Axe became Half-Moon Axe etc).
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About Yakuza, KHHsubs has released all of his translation parts of RGG5.
Overall I don't know if I like the end of the story, kinda hamfisted...and abrupt?
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Well i didn't like any of the endings of the RGG series from 3 onwards...tatoo bare chested men fighting..then final revelation and the big baddie revealed...on top of a high rise...
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I should continue with 5, I kind of stopped at Saejima's part because I'm a bit apprehensive towards the Hunting portion(well that and I thought about give KHH time to sub the rest), plus I imported VC3 around the same time and that caught my attention more.
For a dedicated English translation I agree, but for a 'Asia Pacific - General' release? I wouldn't be surprised if the skimped. I know that Demon's Souls for example had different translations for the Asian and "English" release. Not sure of the quality of dialogue etc, but looking at a chart it was mainly just synonyms and minor changes (Flame Thrower became Flame Launcher, Crescent Axe became Half-Moon Axe etc).
I generally don't trust SAE translations, after seeing the translation for Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment and a dub for CCS, granted the latter is an anime but it stems from personal example...I've also heard that the SAE translation for PSO2 was kind of terrible.
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You have to get the proper translations..the problem is that in any translation or fanslation they don't always understand the words of the dialouge correct and get the meaning wrong from what was meant to mean something else.
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You have to get the proper translations..the problem is that in any translation or fanslation they don't always understand the words of the dialouge correct and get the meaning wrong from what was meant to mean something else.
Oh I'm quite aware of this, especially hearing translation woes from what a few localizers have said publicly and from a couple of my friends who fan translate a few shows have said (plus trying to learn the language myself). I've learned that Japanese is quite context sensitive with some words sounding nearly the same, yet having multiple meanings (though can argue this for any other language I suppose). I haven't even gotten on Kanji that much either.