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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Trippled on December 12, 2014, 07:52:22 am
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OK, the Sonic movie and show make total sense, so do their various anime.
But what the hell is suddenly now with making movies out of IP's like Altered Beast, Shinobi, Crazy Taxi, Rise of Nightmares (??), Golden Axe?
Outside of maybe a Crazy Taxi app, all these franchises are at best relicts for retro gamers.
So there is really no cross-promotion benefit as there is with Yakuza, Valkyria, Shining etc.
Them doing this really means more trying to raise of awareness of nostalgic IP's, I would guess. After all, they do work together with an high end ad firm (something they should have done sooner I think). It's just strange tough. Sega has shown to completly not care about these old IP's, and be at best be nostalgic fodder. I mean really most people just want a small downloadable game for a nostalgic ride with these franchises.
I would have preferred Nagoshi make a new movie franchise with game tie-ins.
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I would rather they, you know, made fucking VIDEO GAMES from these VIDEO GAME franchises.
Jesus, Sega, get it together.
This is going to be licensing the I.P.s to Uwe Boll to make straight to VHS movies with a budget of $12 plus food expenses.
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Hopefully this is all falls apart similarly to these anime hollywood movies. It's fucking dumb!
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EDIT: Reread the post again, some are going to be for TV whilst others for film, need to know if that means Japanese films or not.
Yakuza has had a live action series recently.
The Shining series already has 2 animes. Valkyria Chronicles as well.
Just seems to be them trying to explore as much of their library as possible and doing what they've already done.
I would rather they, you know, made fucking VIDEO GAMES from these VIDEO GAME franchises.
Jesus, Sega, get it together.
This is going to be licensing the I.P.s to Uwe Boll to make straight to VHS movies with a budget of $12 plus food expenses.
Why surprised? SEGA has multiple animation studios. I don't think this is stopping any games being made, they've just finally started doing what they should have done a long time ago considering they own Marza and TMS.
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Don't see the problem, it's no different from Marvel doing it. Who even gave a shit about Guardians of the Galaxy three years ago? Marvel have really become something much bigger than just a comic developer over the past decade... If SEGA can find the same success why not?
A really good Streets of Rage, Shinobi and Golden Axe could be awesome. It's all a matter of getting it right.
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A really good Streets of Rage, Shinobi and Golden Axe could be awesome. It's all a matter of getting it right.
I've always wanted an animation based off of those series though I thought Streets of Rage would probably make a great over the top action movie.
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Don't see the problem, it's no different from Marvel doing it. Who even gave a shit about Guardians of the Galaxy three years ago?
Strangely enough, Comic Book fans. Marvel actually, you know, published comic books about these comic book characters.
Call me crazy, but I don't think Sega is going to spend $140 Million to make a block-buster Streets of Rage movie like Marvel spent on Iron Man.
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Strangely enough, Comic Book fans. Marvel actually, you know, published comic books about these comic book characters.
Call me crazy, but I don't think Sega is going to spend $140 Million to make a block-buster Streets of Rage movie like Marvel spent on Iron Man.
Well did you expect SEGA Sammy to spend over $1 billion developing a resort complex? I don't think money is a concern for them just yet, but keep in mind this could be for a television series or made for Japanese theatres (like the Yakuza film was.) If they are serious about this then them pumping serious cash into the project isn't farfetched.
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A NiGHTS anime would be so cool.
There doesn't really need to be a plot, just shenanigans between Nightmarians, NiGHTS and Reala.
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Well did you expect SEGA Sammy to spend over $1 billion developing a resort complex?
Because Amusement centers were always within Sega's business.
Really, Movies and TV shows are fine, but the IP choice is strange.
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Strangely enough, Comic Book fans. Marvel actually, you know, published comic books about these comic book characters.
Oh so no different to videogame fans then?
While I can't stand comic books, I know plenty of people who love them... And I hardly heard anything about Guardians of the Galaxy. It wasn't very popular or well known... Not like Spiderman, Batman, Hulk, Avengers etc. So in a way its similar to Sega's classics...
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Oh so no different to videogame fans then?
While I can't stand comic books, I know plenty of people who love them... And I hardly heard anything about Guardians of the Galaxy. It wasn't very popular or well known... Not like Spiderman, Batman, Hulk, Avengers etc. So in a way its similar to Sega's classics...
Except Sega hasn't published a Streets of Rage game since 1972. Of course GotG weren't as popular as literally the most popular Superheroes of all time, but they were still making content with them. I heard about GotG by talking with Comic Book fans, in particular some major arcs they were involved in big crossovers.
I don't want to say I don't think this is kind of cool, I'm just not expecting very good things from this. I'm expecting a cheap Anime OVA at best and a horrible Golden Axe movie starring Channing Tatum and Megan Fox at the worst.
Also the IP's they've chosen are fucking weird. Crazy Taxi? Why not make a movie about Tetris, they have the same amount of plot.
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Streets of Rage 3D remastered version came out not long ago, as well as a brand new Shinobi game on the 3DS so it's not as if they haven't touched the IPs in a decade...
And so what anyway... It's not about what's current, it's about what would make good movies. I like Streets of Rage, Shinobi, Golden Axe could be awesome... Even Crazy Taxi as a light hearted comedy with over the top car stunts and punky music... Loads of people still love Crazy Taxi.
They ARE going back into movie history and finding good series to reboot, some good some bad. Mad Max for example looks brilliant, so does Jurassic World. Lord of the Rings had been LONG out of the pubic eye before they made the Peter Jackson films and now look at it.
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Streets of Rage 3D remastered version came out not long ago, as well as a brand new Shinobi game on the 3DS so it's not as if they haven't touched the IPs in a decade...
And so what anyway... It's not about what's current, it's about what would make good movies. I like Streets of Rage, Shinobi, Golden Axe could be awesome... Even Crazy Taxi as a light hearted comedy with over the top car stunts and punky music... Loads of people still love Crazy Taxi.
They ARE going back into movie history and finding good series to reboot, some good some bad. Mad Max for example looks brilliant, so does Jurassic World. Lord of the Rings had been LONG out of the pubic eye before they made the Peter Jackson films and now look at it.
No, you're right, they have done some stuff more recent than I realised. I just haven't played any of them. I do think most people have forgotten about a lot of these franchises though, apart from hXc Sega fans. I think I'm just baffled they don't seem to want to do much in the way of games for these franchises but want to make movies and TV series now?
As for these being good choices, I have to disagree. What's going to seperate Streets of Rage from any generic action flick? I don't know what you could even do with Crazy Taxi as a movie, it literally has no plot, and making one up would be weird.
Shinobi could potentially work. Altered Beast could be a cool fantasy movie, maybe. I just really, really don't trust someone to make something true to the source, and it'll end up like The King of Fighters movie or something.
If it were up to me, first thing I would do is a Skies of Arcadia TV series or Movie. The chracters and world and basic story would work so well for a fun adventure movie.
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A Streets of Rage movie would KICK ASS! Just adapt SOR2 scene by scene. Just cops kicking ass and Boss fights. If they're true to Martial Arts (as in they get actual Martial Artists for the fight scenes) then it will work.
Ever see District B13? It's pretty much a "true to the game" version of Double Dragon and it's awesome. SOR movie could be fantastic.
This news is pretty much my childhood dream come true.
Oh and could you imagine if they eventually decide to make Phantasy Star into a live action movie?
Please do this right Sega! Please do this right! If they do, this really could put them right back into the mainstream.
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A Streets of Rage movie would KICK ASS! Just adapt SOR2 scene by scene. Just cops kicking ass and Boss fights. If they're true to Martial Arts (as in they get actual Martial Artists for the fight scenes) then it will work.
I could see it working if they took a risk and made it like 'The Raid' which is basically a one and a half hour fight scene.
Especially if Max is still just using pro wrestling moves on dudes.
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It's all about the direction they take them... All of those listed could make great films if they do it right. The only one that I cant see how itll work is Altered Beast... I know its a beloved classic, but how do you adapt that madness to film?
Rise of Nightmares is weird in that... Who cares about Rise of Nightmares? But I see how it could make a good horror film adaption. Like the first Silent Hill film which I love even though I don't care much for the Silent Hill games.
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About Fing Time! That's what they should have done from day one. The good thing about this is Sega has control over this since they own the studio that's responsible for this. All sega fans should be happy about this.
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Don't see the problem, it's no different from Marvel doing it. Who even gave a shit about Guardians of the Galaxy three years ago? Marvel have really become something much bigger than just a comic developer over the past decade... If SEGA can find the same success why not?
A really good Streets of Rage, Shinobi and Golden Axe could be awesome. It's all a matter of getting it right.
Exactly you tell em mate.
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I give to Sharky some kudos for that :)
If we think in context, Sega are pushing many things right now..series,3D Classics, Digital Re-releases, fan pleasing content and more.
Of course, a new game from a particular franchise is the better option for the Sega fan or a gaming enthusiast in general, but at least they are trying to make those franchises relevant and that's good move that is more productive for Sega-Sammy eyes and not bad in general.
Guardians of the Galaxy is a good ex. Now not only the comic is "relevant" but also many children want to be Starlord and listen good old music maybe :))
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It's all about the direction they take them... All of those listed could make great films if they do it right. The only one that I cant see how itll work is Altered Beast... I know its a beloved classic, but how do you adapt that madness to film?
Rise of Nightmares is weird in that... Who cares about Rise of Nightmares? But I see how it could make a good horror film adaption. Like the first Silent Hill film which I love even though I don't care much for the Silent Hill games.
I could actually see Altered Beast working, but I feel like if it were to be done it would be some horrible vehicle for a guy who looks like a condom filled with walnuts to make a big budget B-grade movie.
See: Hercules, new Conan movie, new Dracula movie etc.
Done right it could be a good old fashioned swords and scorcery movie.
I'm still just baffled by this. They don't want to make games out of these but are willing to make films? The games they chose are just... weird. I can't see anything good coming out of a Crazy Taxi TV series or Streets of Rage movie. I might be wrong, but... really? Did they just throw darts at a board full of random Sega IPs?
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Oh and as for Guardians of the Galaxy, I forgot to mention this before, but that was only made by Marvel AFTER they already made Iron Man (x3), Hulk, Captain America (x2), Thor (x2) and the Avengers ensemble film. They didn't kick off with Guardians (Not to mention, they also had Xmen, Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Daredevil et. al. already palmed off and movies made BEFORE they went to Guardians. It was scraping the barrel. I'm glad they did it, of course, but it wasn't a first attempt).
Granted, when they made Iron Man, he was a very B-grade hero too. So that's fair enough.
At the same time, they have decades of stories that they can draw on for Guardians, Iron Man etc. I can't help but feel most of these games work well as games, as anything else... there's not much substance. They can beef it up with original content, sure, but then they may as well just make a new IP for all the relationship it'll have to the originals.
I'm sorry to be so negative, but I can't see much good coming from this so far. I'd love to be proven wrong.
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I think it's a better approach to revive these dormant franchises as movies/tv-shows, instead of making games over them.
New game entries into these franchises would only get slammed (if badly executed) or outright ignored (if executed well). I mean, let's be real here, would the general gaming public care about a new Altered Beast game?
I'm also skeptical that a new (not a remake) SOR game would do well, and apparently, seeing how Sega has shut down new game attempts, they feel the same way.
Remember the new, modernized Final Fight on original X-Box? It was a disaster. Only Double Dragon kinda pulled off their revival, but if a new SOR game means a 2.5D rehash, I'd prefer a quality movie version instead.
I'm struggling to think of Sega property that was made for Film or TV that was bad. Sonic Boom and Sega Hard Girls is proof that they can produce quality viewing in our time. If the production values are good and they just stick to the source material, they'd be a blast.
(Ok, I just remembered the House of the Dead movie. Let's just keep Uwe Boll away from these movies and they'll be fine)
Movie versions for these old franchises can definitely breathe new life into them.
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Does this mean Sega has learned the magic of advertising things then? Well...outside of Japan potentially?
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Because Amusement centers were always within Sega's business.
Really, Movies and TV shows are fine, but the IP choice is strange.
I don't think resort complex and amusement centres are anywhere near the same level to be fair! But the point was if the group were determined with something, they'll sure as hell throw money at it, if the results are going to be successful is another question.
This was always the end goal for SEGA Sammy, to become a major multimedia conglomerate. Though I agree the IP list is strange, I'd rather wait and see what comes out of it before judging the success or failure of such a move.
At the same time, they have decades of stories that they can draw on for Guardians, Iron Man etc. I can't help but feel most of these games work well as games, as anything else... there's not much substance. They can beef it up with original content, sure, but then they may as well just make a new IP for all the relationship it'll have to the originals.
Sure if the content is different from the source material but we don't know anything yet.
I'm sorry to be so negative, but I can't see much good coming from this so far. I'd love to be proven wrong.
There's really no need to be negative until we actually know what they're going to be doing or what is for what. Crazy Taxi for all we know could be some comedic anime about how Axel is knee deep in debt and teams up with his best mate BD Joe and go on crazy schemes everyday to try and earn large amounts of cash. It could also be equally terrible and a film be how Axel is an undercover cop going after the ringleader of the Crazy Taxi syndicate, who murdered his wife Gina,"Bastard Driver" Joe.
We don't even know which ones are animes, TV series or films yet, seems premature to be worried about anything. Once we have the information we can judge appropriately.
(I could see Streets of Rage working the best as part cop drama about Axel trying to uncover the syndicate and part mafia showing Mr. X's rise to power.)
Does this mean Sega has learned the magic of advertising things then? Well...outside of Japan potentially?
It really is amazing it took them so long to get here. You'd think the massive success of Sonic X would have pushed them to this course of action much sooner but they probably thought the show was a success because of Sonic and not the other way round.
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It's possible that SEGA is trying to generate interest for any future games with these IPs. As of now, nobody will buy a new Altered Beast game, but if there's a movie that people have heard of, it may make more people take notice of the game.
At least that's what I'm guessing. They did it with Sonic Boom.
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It's possible that SEGA is trying to generate interest for any future games with these IPs. As of now, nobody will buy a new Altered Beast game, but if there's a movie that people have heard of, it may make more people take notice of the game.
By the same logic, who would want to go see an Altered Beast movie? It's not a well known game anymore and just having 'Based on the video game!' anywhere near it will set off alarm bells for most people.
I guess it could work if Sega throws a lot of money behind it, but... why choose a franchise that's been dead for so long? And one that has next to zero storyline anyway? I just... this is so bizarre.
Also why did they shotgun so many old titles? This whole thing is very vague. "We want to make movies and or TV series out of these random games we used to make". By rattling off so many already it makes me think this is going to be straight-to-video quality stuff, as opposed to 'We want to make an Altered Beast film'.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Judge Dredd is more popular than half of these franchises, and that had a fucking fantastic quality movie, and it still wasn't enough to net a sequel.
Actually that's the main crux of this;
What are you guys expecting this to be?
Are we talking Hollywood movies?
Direct to DVD Anime series?
Direct to DVD live-action TV shows?
Cable only TV Series?
Digital Only mini-series?
I'm expecting a combination of the above, mostly a few Netflix exclusive series or something to that effect.
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http://www.stories-llc.com/pdf/press_201412_02.pdf
Well here is the pdf-document
and the website:
http://www.stories-llc.com/#film
I think it might take some years till does come to fruition. Remember the BBC thing? Took 3 years to come out with the virtual zoo.
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I find some of the franchise choices pretty suspect (why classics?...), but as was suggested a goal for Sega was to make their video game franchises into multimedia franchises. I don't particularly have high expectations from the major-level productions, even though I like to watch a lot of movies I personally have more faith and interest in things like cartoons or anime series. I do hope that video games aren't relegated to the periphery, though it could be a logical consequence if this initiative is a MAJOR success.
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I'm not thrown off by classics, people remember such properties even if we haven't seen a new Altered Beast or Streets of Rage in years. Kids who remember these IPs are in their late 20s/early 30s now. Perfect time to make movies based on them. Hopefully this will lead to a resurgence in certain IPs and more merch and games. I'm not asking for "Streets of Rage the Movie the Game", but it could lead to HD remakes or sequels.
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http://www.stories-llc.com/pdf/press_201412_02.pdf (http://www.stories-llc.com/pdf/press_201412_02.pdf)
Well here is the pdf-document
and the website:
http://www.stories-llc.com/#film (http://www.stories-llc.com/#film)
I think it might take some years till does come to fruition. Remember the BBC thing? Took 3 years to come out with the virtual zoo.
based on this, they mention making franchises and 'Japanese Stories' into TV/Movie/Digital etc.
They only later mention "They hold rights over *random IPs*"
Could it be that people jumped the gun with what IPs are actually getting any work done, or being considered? Could be that none of them are even in the pipeline for adaption yet?
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Shinobi could be a good candidate for this, Ninjas tend to be a good/safe sell.
Though if they want to sell games with this stuff (especially with movies), hopefully they don't pull what they did with the Marvel movie licenses/Sonic Boom and give the job to dubious development teams (or in Sanzaru's case a crappy schedule)...granted Next Level Games was probably the best of the bunch (Heck they're working exclusively for Nintendo now).
However, I imagine things may turn out more like the Bayo 2 and Bloody Fate.
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You guys are all freaking out.
Sega movies and series would be kickass.
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well here's my two cents..
The properties that have been mentioned have more likely or in the process of final negotitions and have a TV and film studio already attached to them.
Most likely the reason why its taken this long was for the film rights to certain games to revert back to Sega. Which was probably the reason why Sega set up the studio in the first place because this was where they were heading towards.
The games not mentioned is the ones that either haven't gotten a deal yet. HOTD for example is probably still hold up with whoever had the rights(mindfire)to make the film..and it gets extended whenever a sequel is made.
The current climate is also ripe for these IPs from sega to get made..studios in hollywood are after a peice of the franchise action pie and video games are the next thing..the comics thing is all sowed up because Disney and Marvel own the comic franchises that are worth having. Sony will more than likely lose Spidey to Marvel so they need another potential franchise which is why hey are going into video game franchises. And Universal has Warcraft around the corner. So it won't be diffulcult for sega to get a film of their games made in this enviroment..
Sega is already in the lead..By the next two years sega will be in the lead..as they have Sonic movie being made and the Console Wars which focuses on Sega..which may also give more attention to their new studio and game film rights..
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I'm looking through some old annual report, and there were mentions of Hollywood movies in 2002, but that fell through.
I think it's not gonna happen.
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I'm looking through some old annual report, and there were mentions of Hollywood movies in 2002, but that fell through.
I think it's not gonna happen.
I'm expecting Anime adaptions or the like rather than hollywood movies. At least for stuff like Streets of Rage and other obscure titles that nobody outside this forum ever heard of.
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I'm looking through some old annual report, and there were mentions of Hollywood movies in 2002, but that fell through.
I think it's not gonna happen.
It will happen..Segasammy..is the company Sega tried to become with Bandai...Sega was talking about an anime music and video game entertainment download sharing view company as early as 2000..which is what facebook/youtube are.
You need to realise that this isn't the sega of old late nineties/2000s who doesn't have the money to achieve this..they have the moolah now...and will do it..like they tried to do in china with invading their games market via arcade and domestic consumer platforms..
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Sega never really seemed to use Sammy's money and assets in the west, outside of bying Creative Assembly, Sports Interactive and Relic.
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Sega never really seemed to use Sammy's money and assets in the west, outside of bying Creative Assembly, Sports Interactive and Relic.
Of course they did..how do you think they had the money to give out all those developer contracts during 2006 - 2012? Including getting the license to the ll fated Marvel games.
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Of course they did..how do you think they had the money to give out all those developer contracts during 2006 - 2012? Including getting the license to the ll fated Marvel games.
True enough. But like you implied, it almost all backfired outside a couple things.
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True enough. But like you implied, it almost all backfired outside a couple things.
Yes but that's not because of lack of money. And it didn't all backfired since Sports interactive, Creative Assembly and others have been the main moolah maker for Sega in the west. Let's not forget 3rings that SOA brought up in the last several years as well. Again down to Sammy money in buying the company..the difference is that Sammy isn't going to splash money for Sega to waste like CSK did before them. They have to make a profit and get games out on market or the budget will also diminish..like it did for 2012.