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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: George on March 27, 2015, 05:14:55 pm
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Stating that they found more possiblites with the open world and they want to explore them. I remember being excited for Twilight Princess then it was delayed so they can release a Wii port along with it... if they do the same with Wii U, i'll stop being Nintendo products.
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It'd be surprising if the game wasn't delayed, it looked very unfinished in the gameplay preview they showed late last year and most console Zelda games miss their intended release date.
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I dont get why people make a really big problem with delays...i believe that if the company delayed a game is because they have their reasons, and if the final product is good then i think is OK. Cmon, is just wait a little bit longer, is not that serious.
Another story is, if the company put the game to pre-order and AFTER that the delay come out...i dont agree with that practice.
Anyway, i wasnt interested in ZELDA Wii U so this doesnt affect me.
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I'm not mad that its delayed, if its really to improve the game and not 'wait for another console to come out to port it to' like Twilight Princess did.
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Now the question is how Nintendo is gonna sell WiiUs in Holiday 2015 or overall well all the year?
I mean, Yoshi Wolly World and Splatoon look good but I don't see how this games are going to sell or increase the sales of the console.
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Yeah and neither are Xenoblade Chronicles and 'Star Fox' that they haven't even showed yet. We shall see how it goes at E3 this year but I have a feeling its going to be Star Fox reveal and a bunch of 2016 teasers and the initial reveal of NX (which I don't think will be a Wii U replacement...)
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Xenoblade is pretty likely for this year in the west, seeing how it releases next month in Japan. It wouldn't be surprising if Nintendo will try to heavily advertise that. Splatoon has the potential to be a cult hit I think.
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But how well will the game do? I mean, how well did Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 do? I mean, when Smash Bros wasn't enough to make a splash like Nintendo wanted I very much doubt Star Fox, Splatoon, Xenoblade Chronicles, Yoshi's Wooly World will do much to change people's minds on the Wii U hardware.
Personally think that teasing a new platform with NX was the wrong move for hardcore consumers online, at least most people see it as a lack of faith in the Wii U platform.
As a Wii U owner tho, I'm happy since I'm looking forward to all those games.
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I doubt that at this point that Nintendo is still trying to make the Wii U a big hit, and is instead trying to cater to the audience they already have. And as they release more games, more people who are normally interested in Nintendo stuff will likely buy the Wii U as its libary becomes larger.
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That's nice, too bad its already too late and I don't think minor Nintendo games will save the console. Smash Bros and Zelda are the big guns. Though I have a feeling an announcement of a REAL Mario game is coming soon (no spin-off).
Super Mario Universe?
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Well, like I said, Nintendo probably isn't trying to make the Wii U a big hit anymore, at this point they may as well make it something for a niche market. If they were still trying they wouldn't be launching a new console in seemingly 2 years or so.
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I didnt care about any other delays like uncharted 4 or quantam break. Im really gutted with this news however. Seeing eiji aonuma explain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Pzdl1wdUM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Pzdl1wdUM)
I mean I can get behind the reason. But I was really looking forward to having myself sink into the first real open world zelda game.
I mean there's still Xenoblade X and probably some other stuff. But we'll see. Nin likes to surprise at E3. The other time they anounced 3d world. Then last year it was captain toad i didnt care much about. Who knows this year may bring something nice
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As usual Nintendo is slow at making games.
Back in the day, Sega had 5x games as Nintendo and with equal quality.
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As usual Nintendo is slow at making games.
Back in the day, Sega had 5x games as Nintendo and with equal quality.
True. Those were good times man.
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As usual Nintendo is slow at making games.
Back in the day, Sega had 5x games as Nintendo and with equal quality.
Back in the day, games were only 2D and had far more limited capabilities. Now the same kind of game would be 5 to 15 bucks on Steam, PSN, XBLA or the eShop.
Also, we're still unironically saying SEGA IS BETTER THAN NINTENDO in the year 2015?
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Back in the day, games were only 2D and had far more limited capabilities. Now the same kind of game would be 5 to 15 bucks on Steam, PSN, XBLA or the eShop.
Also, we're still unironically saying SEGA IS BETTER THAN NINTENDO in the year 2015?
Depends in what area, I mean SEGA are supporting the 3DS with their classics far better than Nintendo are doing... Nintendo still struggle to include Online play with their games in 2015, SEGA are far better with that and have been for over 15 years. Do I still enjoy more SEGA games than Nintendo? Yes. But do Nintendo ship more high quality games per year than SEGA? Yeah, probably... But by a smaller margin than it was only a short few years ago. What Nintendo REALLY has over SEGA is stronger brand recognition and more favour among gamers.
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Guys of course I was talking about Sega in the 90's.
Compare Sega's in-house efforts to Nintendos, just in sheer amount. It's not even a fair comparision.
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Really I was even talking about back in the 90s or any time period, arguing about which was better is pretty much pointless because it really all depends on personal taste.
Like, you could argue about hardware or amount of games (Btw, keep in mind that the games SEGA published back then weren't all in-house, a lot of those like Vectorman, ToeJam & Earl, Ecco the Dolphin, Gunstar Heroes etc. were by third party developers. So games like those can't really be included when you're talking about the quantity of in-house developed games.), but at the end of the day it's all about which games you liked more. And seeing how different Nintendo's and SEGA's games were, it's pretty hard to compare them when it comes to quality.
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Oh well I agree with that, console wars is all nonsense.
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Its funny that SEGA fans are shit all of the internet on the daily and one one says on a SEGA site that SEGA had higher quality games on the Genesis, someone comes in to defend Nintendo and that person has never played SEGA hardware.
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Its funny that SEGA fans are shit all of the internet on the daily and one one says on a SEGA site that SEGA had higher quality games on the Genesis, someone comes in to defend Nintendo and that person has never played SEGA hardware.
Got to sound with this man, between 1987 to what, late 90s? SEGA had the better games technically and critically. They were really pushing the industry forward (Also found the link: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=984191 )
Not that Nintendo didn't have some great games in that period but I think in terms of quality content, SEGA just won out by a landslide.
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I didn't defend Nintendo. I was trying to say that arguing that Nintendo or SEGA is better is pointless and dumb and is something that people should have stopped arguing about after the age of 12.
Also FYI I barely played on any Nintendo console until the Gamecube, and the first console I've ever actually owned was a PlayStation. When it came to SNES and Mega Drive games I played both using emulators as a kid and I really didn't give a fuck about which was better. If anything I'm biased for Sony consoles. :V
EDIT: Or if you're talking about me defending that Nintendo takes their time to make their games good: no shit. If anything, games these days are too often put out in an unfinished state because of the developers not having enough time to properly finish their game.
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People said that SEGA produced more games of same quality as Nintendo, which doesn't seem to be a negative. Nintendo did have higher 3rd party support at the time compared to SEGA so its natural that SEGA would try to create more content to even the tides. Not that Nintendo sucks compared to SEGA.
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I see nothing wrong with thinking and saying that SEGA is better than Nintendo or vice versa, as long as people aren't personally attacking others for their opinions.
I recall on Twitter I pointed out that SEGA got into the mobile business 15 years before Nintendo and have been very successful in it, and that as such I thought SEGA was the better company than Nintendo in this aspect. But nope, god forbid mighty Nintendo be called lesser than SEGA! Some of the replies I got were just silly. Like the favorite "saying one company is better than another is childish".
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Well... if you don't want to get console fanboys on Twitter angry, don't make console fanboy arguments on Twitter. Also, when you're talking about old SEGA mobile games, you're talking about games like this:
(http://info.sonicretro.org/images/f/f0/Sonic-golf-3d-game2.png)
And generally stuff like Minesweeper with Sonic's name attached to it. They didn't really start to get better until sometime after the iPhone/Android came along, and even then most of the stuff SEGA's put out hasn't been great aside from the Sonic remasters. It's not something to proudly present as something that SEGA did better than Nintendo. ;)
And when it comes to comparing if SEGA or Nintendo was better: really what matters most is the games the consoles had. And like I mentioned before, it really just depended on personal taste.
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SEGA had the luxury of years of learning, development, and growth in the mobile market. They've been successful. What's wrong with that and what's wrong with saying SEGA did something Nintendo did not?
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Don't just think of SEGA being successful in the mobile market, but also think of how they're successful in the mobile market. In SEGA's case, the way that they're successful isn't exactly a positive from the perspective of consumers. ;)
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Tim, why do you always twist things into some argument?
I stated SEGA got in to mobile years before Nintendo. Fact. SEGA has made their own place in the mobile market after years of work. Fact. Nintendo hasn't done shit with mobile until 2015 and even still, they are relying DeNA. Fact.
So with all these facts in mind, I think it is more than fair to say that SEGA was more forward thinking and successful in an area than Nintendo.
But no, Tim needs to find an in to make a new argument! Let's see... ah! The early games were bland and there were mobile titles that had poorly implemented in app purchases! Yes, that invalidates what Barry was talking about!
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I did kinda go off on a tangent at first, yeah. Really the main point I was trying to make was that if you don't want to piss off console fanboys, don't make the same kind of bad console fanboy claims.
But you literally asked why Sega being successful in the mobile market was a bad thing in your second post. So sorry for giving you the response you asked for, I guess. :|
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E3 is going to be a strange one this year. Nintendo has to have something to fill the void at the end of this year, and at this point I hope it's Super Mario Sunshine HD. That's the only thing I can imagine they could turn around in a few months that would make the Zelda delay sting less. Might seem like a strange choice, but I'm dying to play that game again after seeing the TLC that Wind Waker got on WiiU.
I do hope that Next Level or Retro have something to show this year, but to expect them to launch late this year would be stunning since they've been so quiet since releasing their previous games.
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I did kinda go off on a tangent at first, yeah. Really the main point I was trying to make was that if you don't want to piss off console fanboys, don't make the same kind of bad console fanboy claims.
But you literally asked why Sega being successful in the mobile market was a bad thing in your second post. So sorry for giving you the response you asked for, I guess. :|
It's not a claim though dude, it was a simple fact. SEGA got into the mobile market years before Nintendo. What is there for Nintendo fans to get pissed off about? Nintendo took over 15 years to get into the business, it was money waiting to be had and they finally got around to doing it. Good for them, but they're pretty fucking late to the party. That was my point.
And what is wrong with SEGA being successful in the console market? They put a product out there, people bought it.
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Yeah, this E3 is gonna be interesting. Both Sony and Nintendo will need to fill the empty space of their holiday releases/system seller exclusive game/overall perfomance in 2015. Microsoft has Halo 5 in works....until new advise.
Don't get me wrong, I know that Nintendo will get a plenty of good software coming out this year and Sony will sell PS4 as crazy like currently but now both need a boost in terms of hardware (WiiU) and software (PS4 exclusives) respectively. They are gonna be in big problems if someone don't do anything.
Microsoft already has plans for fusing the Xbox brand with Windows or should I say get rid of the console brand to compete with Steam and Streaming services.
VR could be a thing, an expensive thing that casual consumer isn't gonna to try or buy it.
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Do you think WiiU will still have third party support this year?
'cause I doubt it and imo it's not Nintendo's fault, it's their fansbase.
Seems like they don't want to buy anything that isn't Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon.
For example, Wii U fans reactions towards Nintendo games versus non-Nintendo games that get the same score of 7 in Nintendolife be like :
Hyrule Warrors: 'It's fun!'
Sonic Lost World: 'It's garbage!'
Sega stuck around longer than most other publishers, yet they continue to bash him.
After bad sales of their three exclusive Sonic games for WiiU, I doubt they want to touch WiiU again.
Tembo The Badass Elephant is the first sign of it.
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This thread has become weird. I can definitly agree that SEGA was vastly better than nintendo. SEGA's games functioned a whole lote more complex and more impressive. Also looked a lot more apealing. I think one of the marketing guys was on point. Snes may have had the better hardware, But SEGA utilized their hardware alot better. I always say this in support of 1st party only.
But these are different times. This news sucks major balls. But this news also proves exactly why nintendo's mentality, and as a result gamedesign gets my preferation today over SEGA's. I hate waiting especially now I got older. But compared to the crap we got from SEGA in the last decade, I wish SEGA could also work with the same mentality. I say "could" because I know they cant. Too risky and SEGA's IP's arent as strong as they used to.
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It's not a claim though dude, it was a simple fact. SEGA got into the mobile market years before Nintendo. What is there for Nintendo fans to get pissed off about? Nintendo took over 15 years to get into the business, it was money waiting to be had and they finally got around to doing it. Good for them, but they're pretty fucking late to the party. That was my point.
And what is wrong with SEGA being successful in the console market? They put a product out there, people bought it.
I guess it's just Nintendo fanboys being fanboys and complaining about someone seemingly saying that Nintendo was bad for not joining the mobile market sooner, unlike SEGA which is clearly superior in that regard.
And I assume you meant mobile market rather than console market. No problem with the way they are doing things on consoles outside of how they handled the DLC for Alien: Isolation. But on mobile the way that they succeed negatively impacts the design of the games. Rather than them being about getting the highest score by pure skill, they're about getting the highest score by getting the right score boosters, which you get by buying some sort of in-game currency. Sometimes with the score boosters that you get being randomized. That's how it works in games like Sonic Dash, Crazy Taxi City Rush, and Sonic Runners.
And with how successful those kinds of games are for SEGA, they're probably going to continue to design their mobile games like that. Which is great if you want the company to do well financially, but not so great if you actually want their games to actually be good. They're designed in ways not to make the best game possible for the consumer, but to get the most amount of money out of them. Particularly out of the whales (a very small percentage of players who spend a lot of money on F2P games), as a lot of the revenue those games make comes from them. (http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/26/only-0-15-of-mobile-gamers-account-for-50-percent-of-all-in-game-revenue-exclusive/)
Also, just so you don't get the wrong impression: I fully expect Nintendo to do the same. They may not have made mobile games before, but they've certainly experimented with mobile gaming trends on the 3DS. See Rusty's Real Deal Baseball and, well, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqzXNdiGzXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqzXNdiGzXo)
Anyway, this kinda went very off-topic. I'll just stop talking about this now.
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E3 is going to be a strange one this year. Nintendo has to have something to fill the void at the end of this year, and at this point I hope it's Super Mario Sunshine HD. That's the only thing I can imagine they could turn around in a few months that would make the Zelda delay sting less. Might seem like a strange choice, but I'm dying to play that game again after seeing the TLC that Wind Waker got on WiiU.
I do hope that Next Level or Retro have something to show this year, but to expect them to launch late this year would be stunning since they've been so quiet since releasing their previous games.
Nintendo's phone games are their main event this year.
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and information on the NX. If the NX is a console replacement, I don't see myself supporting Nintendo consoles anymore. Sorry, they would need to have quite a bit of great games for me to give a shit.
Though I do admit that Nintendo has a decent lineup without Zelda. Splatoon is suppose to be a game from up and coming talent at Nintendo (but I have a feeling most Nintendo fans will ignore it), Xenoblade X looks awesome (but the first one was ignored by fans) and they have a few side platforming games that don't look that bad.
The issue here we have is that Nintendo has been pushing away from 3rd parties since N64 days, the Gamecube improved it but I don't see it ever being fixed. I have a feeling that lack of 3rd party support will force Nintendo to leave the console business and/or change their outlook (wait isn't that what NX is doing?)
I would say I doubt that mobile games will be a E3 focus... mostly because its the wrong market and the wrong way to sell Wii U units... but then again this is the company that used up a bulk of their time for Wii Music.
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There's a lot of reasons why nintendo wont be ready for a new console for at least a couple of years. One of the reasons is that pulling a SEGA would have bigger consequences today with the internet. Relitivly speaking SEGA got away with the dreamcast pretty well after 32x, cd and saturn. I dont think that'd be possible today
Unless nintendo wants to go find a new audience again, they will have to satisfy and earn consumers respect. Its common sense really.
In my opinion launching a new console in the next 2 years would be stupid and would guarentee nintendo's next console to flop even harder.
I dont consider nintendo the most tech savy/experienced company. But i dont think the people are as stupid as the average armchair analyst you see on the net
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Too bad they can't pull a Konami and charge people for a quick, in-advance demo of the rad features they already showed. :P
and information on the NX. If the NX is a console replacement, I don't see myself supporting Nintendo consoles anymore.
I'm pretty sure they already stated there will be no info about NX until 2016. Even then, I wouldn't expect it to actually release until late 2017.
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I'm looking forward to Zelda whenever it does come out.
I'm interested to see if Nintendo announces anything to fill the gap at the end of this year at E3.
I'm pretty used to the spaced out releases on the Wii U, so it doesn't bother me much.
There's still Splatoon, Yoshi, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Star Fox, and whatever else they decide to announce to keep me busy this year. Plus, it's not like there aren't other consoles to keep people busy.