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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: George on May 31, 2010, 01:54:30 pm
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I think I'm tired of this being dragged into other topics. So, post your East vs West here:
(http://http://chefcalvin.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/devil-may-cry-4-20080203111408392_screen001.jpg)
vs.
(http://http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/900/900480/prince-of-persia-20080820052055753.jpg)
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Couldn't you at least post some screens of enjoyable games?
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Showing you that America does not need dark and violent games. Only games about jumping in a colorful world.
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Nice topic , and what just is so bad about Dark Violent games anyway, or FPS's. Lets all hate Shinobi for its blood and violence, lets bash Yakuza for its dark look , guns and extreme levels of violence and blood , lets bash Bayonetta for Guns Guns and more Guns .... Oh wait ... They're SEGA games its ok then :roll:
Anyway how about
(http://http://ps3.rocktheconsole.com/posters/mirrors-edge.jpg)
Vs
(http://http://gameentire.hosthit.net/uploads/2009/07/yakuza-3-wont-release-in-na.jpg)
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I actually do not hate the dark and violent games. I like my mix of video games, but people here always think that Western games are 'over the top violent' and dark.
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(http://http://img.jeuxvideo.fr/00459594-photo-eyeshield-21.jpg)
sports games in japan
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Crackdude, that is a licensed game based off of a cartoon, most of their sports games do not look like that, but like:
(http://http://www.andriasang.com/galleries/2009/10/21/pride_of_j/2132395798_view.jpg)
Look how colorful the EAST is! ^_________^
(http://http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/989/989070/undead-knights-20090601051918195_640w.jpg)
Not like those BAKACHIN WESTERNERS
(http://http://ui02.gamespot.com/417/tythetasmaniantiger3notq_2.jpg)
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Yeah Crackdude, that David Beckham game for the Gameboy Advance was pretty colourful and that was made by a development team outside of Japan.
Rayman
(http://http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/jump-feb20-rayman-1.jpg)
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Darkengard
(http://http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/667/667879/drakengard-2-20051117030229189_640w.jpg)
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I was joking guys.. I know Pro Evolution is japanese-made and it was really good up to ISS Pro Evolution 2.
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I was joking guys.. I know Pro Evolution is japanese-made and it was really good up to ISS Pro Evolution 2.
This man now speaks the truth, listen to him.
The last good version of Pro Evo was back in 2004, I am sure some people can guess why :cry:
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My brother prefers PES to Fifa, even though it looks far worse graphically and has a worse net code.
I've only played ISS64 and you could win every match by running diagonally towards the goal.
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Pro Evo Football 2004 was about as good as it gets . Though I say This Is Football 2003/4 is the better football game than either Fifa or Pro . A hugely over looked and underrated Football game
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I remember playing This Is Football.. It was pretty weak..
Sega Worldwide Soccer 97/8 was great fun. Then FIFA 99 was great. Then ISS Pro Evo 2. Then football games were shit for almost 10 years. Some people liked them, but I think they were either boring or confusing.
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Then football games were shit for almost 10 years. Some people liked them, but I think they were either boring or confusing.
[youtube:22j9b0z3]V2w5wE1TLig[/youtube:22j9b0z3]
You are proven wrong.
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Ah yes! How could I forget about Virtua Striker! I used to play it at arcades, but Sega stopped making them after VS4 wasn't it?
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George, don't overlook this jewel in our ongoing East vs west discussion:
(http://http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9990/39077436.jpg)
LMAO! at what marketing departments do to game art.
As if the generically urban and gritty Cole wasn't bad enough he got replaced by a Gen X variant, lol!
Nice topic , and what just is so bad about Dark Violent games anyway, or FPS's. Lets all hate Shinobi for its blood and violence, lets bash Yakuza for its dark look , guns and extreme levels of violence and blood , lets bash Bayonetta for Guns Guns and more Guns .... Oh wait ... They're SEGA games its ok then :roll:
Of course all those games are stylized. . . what is stylized about Halo, CoD aor any of the generic western gun games? Nor, more to the point, are any of those games "gun" games by any stretch.
It's not the usage of guns that make them outright western it is the style behind it or lack of style, taking Vanquish as a perfect example.
I agree, ME is "Sega Style".
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Here I fixed the game to appeal more to you:
(http://http://imgur.com/2km8r.jpg)
The art is not as good as the first game, I agree. But that is not even in game. You make fun of this game for having urban gritty environments and praise Yakuza? Double standards. Most comics take place in a dark city, like Batman and even the Ninja Turtles. If you don't like comics, I suggest not even bothering looking at a comic influenced video game.
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I disagree about games that have guns in it do not have 'style'. I mean, early Shinobi games had tons of guns and amazing art, but the later releases had less guns and significantly worse art at times! Halo, for instance has had a ton of really just outstanding art sometimes. Did you ever beat Halo 3? That has some of the most beautiful effects and art I have seen in a game since Panzer Dragoon Orta.
Even bland stuff like Killzone has nice art at times. Did you ever see the menu designs in Killzone 2 for instance? Shit, it might be worth playing just for the awesome menus! I mean, it all comes down to gameplay at the end of the day, and even like the ugliest games ever can be fun, while some of the prettiest games can be completely annoying and not worth anyones time.
One of my favorite games ever is the original DOOM, and that game is so fucking brown that it actually bothers my eyes after awhile. I do not see how something like this has worse art than Call of Duty games.
On the topic of Call of Duty games, ignore the shitty ones by Treyarch as this may be what you are focusing on unintentionally, the titles made by Infinity Ward are fucking outstanding though and have excellent art (not a joke, seriously just check it out!).
EDIT: I agree with Eastside on the art of inFAMOUS 2 though. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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^Call of Duty World at War was really good, I really enjoyed it.
And of course Call of Duty games aren't stylised, they were trying to make realistic depictions of war... Having said that though, although the actual gameplay wasn't 'stylised' World at War had some of the best briefing screens i've ever seen, with a beatiful WW2 propganda look. Take a look at this intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSTIXQ9CRs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSTIXQ9CRs)
As for Halo not being 'stylised' thats just ridiculous. The alien and armour designs are very cool, I especially like the Grunts who have to carry around methane tanks to breathe (and they can even be shot and leak during the game).
Also, you do realise that 'Style' can be dark or realistic right? It doesn't have to be off the wall or abstract.
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^Call of Duty World at War was really good, I really enjoyed it.
And of course Call of Duty games aren't stylised, they were trying to make realistic depictions of war... Having said that though, although the actual gameplay wasn't 'stylised' World at War had some of the best briefing screens i've ever seen, with a beatiful WW2 propganda look. Take a look at this intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSTIXQ9CRs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSTIXQ9CRs)
As for Halo not being 'stylised' thats just ridiculous. The alien and armour designs are very cool, I especially like the Grunts who have to carry around methane tanks to breathe (and they can even be shot and leak during the game).
Also, you do realise that 'Style' can be dark or realistic right? It doesn't have to be off the wall or abstract.
Well my point would be that their looks are pretty generic, whether that be war realism or armored space marine. I'm not going to outright dismiss the art in Halo it's just that it has been overdone. Vanquish looks more stylized by comparison.
I disagree about games that have guns in it do not have 'style'. I mean, early Shinobi games had tons of guns and amazing art, but the later releases had less guns and significantly worse art at times! Halo, for instance has had a ton of really just outstanding art sometimes. Did you ever beat Halo 3? That has some of the most beautiful effects and art I have seen in a game since Panzer Dragoon Orta.
I wasn't saying that gun games don't have style if you are replying to me directly. I'm just distinguishing from the stylized and non-stylized ones. Never made it to Halo 3, I don't doubt it has great art 'sometimes' it's just that the general art of it has gotten old and similarly replicated too many times over.
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^What did you think of that propoganda styled briefing though? I don't see how you could call that generic or bland.
As for Halo being overdone, I can kinda see where you are coming from as it does have strong influences from Aliens and Predator and the like (which is fine with me, since it works well).
Even so, you can't really say it doesn't have it's own style or look about it. Even just looking up and seeing the Halo World itself in the first game is an incredible touch.
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Here I fixed the game to appeal more to you:
(http://http://imgur.com/2km8r.jpg)
The art is not as good as the first game, I agree. But that is not even in game. You make fun of this game for having urban gritty environments and praise Yakuza? Double standards. Most comics take place in a dark city, like Batman and even the Ninja Turtles. If you don't like comics, I suggest not even bothering looking at a comic influenced video game.
It's not double standards because one game is stylized and the other is not, that is the distinction I keep trying to make. And I played Infamous to the end. It's style is very generic. It's hard to describe Yakuza's style but it certainly has one and it is not generically urban.
^What did you think of that propoganda styled briefing though? I don't see how you could call that generic or bland.
hmm, I'm not following you on this. . . Are you talking Vanquish? If so, then that is the western element thrown into the cinematic for the sake of the western audience.
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Stylized? You can't explain. Comic book style is not stylized? I don't know what to say right now. I know you never make sense, but you are taking it to another level.
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Stylized? You can't explain. Comic book style is not stylized? I don't know what to say right now. I know you never make sense, but you are taking it to another level.
I wasn't replying to your comics statement nor do I have a problem with comics having read them as a kid. I'm not sure why comics entered into the discussion?
Of course comics are stylized as they have to rely on their visual appeal so heavily.
Go look at any NPD top 10, most of those games aren't stylized that is at the heart of the matter.
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hmm, I'm not following you on this. . . Are you talking Vanquish? If so, then that is the western element thrown into the cinematic for the sake of the western audience.
I'm talking about the video of World at War that I posted.
I can't see the logic behind saying Yakuza is more stylised than Halo is. They both have their 'style' as does any game.
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Stylized? You can't explain. Comic book style is not stylized? I don't know what to say right now. I know you never make sense, but you are taking it to another level.
I wasn't replying to your comics statement nor do I have a problem with comics having read them as a kid. I'm not sure why comics entered into the discussion?
Of course comics are stylized as they have to rely on their visual appeal so heavily.
Go look at any NPD top 10, most of those games aren't stylized that is at the heart of the matter.
Infamous' the first one, is influenced by comics. Even the new one, even though I hate the art, looks a lot like New X-Men artwork (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_X-Men).
InFamous is influenced by Comic books, thus I'm talking about why you feel the game is not stylized. Assuming you think comics are not stylized. The game used comic cutscenes to tell its main story with some really nice artwork. It is a shame that the artist is not returning to 2.
Look at the Japanese top 10, most of it is garbage too. So what? What does it matter what a game does in either region? This is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Infamous, which you started the discussion.
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I wasn't saying that gun games don't have style if you are replying to me directly. I'm just distinguishing from the stylized and non-stylized ones. Never made it to Halo 3, I don't doubt it has great art 'sometimes' it's just that the general art of it has gotten old and similarly replicated too many times over.
I think Halo 3's art was fantastic all-round really, something that is even shown on the boxart. I am not sure how anyone can say this is not brilliant art design.
(http://http://www.gossipgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/halo3boxart.jpg)
Sure, it is not Panzer Dragoon Saga-level art, but... Only one game is Panzer Dragoon Saga.
I can kind of agree with what you are saying on the general art has gotten old because it has been replicated so often, but in this case you would have to agree that the art used in games like the original Sonic games has become generic because it has been replicated many times by dozens and dozens of other companies.
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lol,
you guys act like I'm crazy being the only person in the world with this view, but you can see other real Sega fans think similarly.
look at these replies I found on youtube looking up Jet music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAU6OYgN4fU&fmt=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAU6OYgN4fU&fmt=18)
ApesOfBass
2 months ago 31
Way better than some bland-ass repetitive military game. Fuck you, Call of Duty.
ApesOfBass
1 month ago 6
@megamanacses
I'm talking about video games as a whole. Recently, the trend is to make bland and repetitive games, such as Call of Duty.
You deserve a smack in the face, good sir.
greenac88
1 month ago
@ApesOfBass
So true, man. Those games are overrated and overhyped.
JSR is an essential classic in the Dreamcast Library.
Suixa
1 month ago
@ApesOfBass Haha yeah, not to mention now games are all military/gun based, like call of duty, counter strike, halo... and many more o,o
Monitor1CC
1 year ago 17
Started playing JGR again recently, this is one of the best tracks, thanks for uploading. Do the Reps still make music? Anyways, JGR is still one of the best DC games in the whole library and its gameplay, style and music are all just as fresh and hip as ever almost 9 years later!
EverDownward
1 month ago 4
One of my favorite songs off of the original JSR. Has a ska feel to it, and I love that.
In one song, The Reps captured everything it meant to be a kid who skated the streets, tearing up the city, and just chilling out with your friends on a stoop on a Summer evening.
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InFamous is influenced by Comic books, thus I'm talking about why you feel the game is not stylized. Assuming you think comics are not stylized. The game used comic cutscenes to tell its main story with some really nice artwork. It is a shame that the artist is not returning to 2.
Well, I was talking about the in-game graphics. They're bland and repeat the same colors and textures. I don't care or have a problem with the comic cut scenes. I played infamous to the final battle with Kessler and devoted enough to it to dismiss its lack of style without a pro-Sega bias.
Look at the Japanese top 10, most of it is garbage too. So what? What does it matter what a game does in either region?
Mainstream is the enemy of Sega style whatever the region is, that has always been my premise. If you are a fan of Sega and mainstream games that's your deal, but I just find it contradictory. If we are on a Sega site supposedly holding up the pro-Sega view of things then mainstream crap is the enemy.
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okay, I've made a huge breakthrough in the science of sega style: :afroman:
(http://http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6448/99667843.png) :mrgreen:
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You wonder why people think you are weird. I think you just use double standards. Say one game is great, then condemn another for doing the same thing. Also, I can point at colors you pointed out on any other game and that means little to nothing.
InFamous has 're-used' textures? Really? So does Yakuza, No More Heroes. Its an open world game.
*facepalm*
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I hate Call of Duty and Jet Set Radio. I am above the influence!
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Jet Set Radio features Cel Shading
CrackDown features Cel Shading.
CrackDown features a lock on system.
Red Dead Redemption features a lock on system.
Therefore Red Dead Redemption = Sega DNA.
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I can't believe my expert analysis was rejected?
Go wander through Yakuza and look how many times vivid blue is next to read. It's Nagoshi style; it represent heaven next to the sun or something really philosophical like that.
These guys get me on sega style and hardcore oldschool vs new mainstream gen:
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/jetset ... tradio.htm (http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/jetsetradio/jetsetradio.htm)
Why did the game sell so poorly? Was it too Japanese for our taste?
Whatever the case may be, it's depressing that such a stylish game with plenty to do was not a consumer success.
What so special about the game then? From a technical standpoint, the original game had so much substance and soul that other titles only dreamed about.
Typical Japanese weirdness, if you ask me.
You guys are just impossible. I give up.
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I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with that quote, the whole way too Japanese for our taste is simply wrong because it did better here than it did in Japan, which was below the 70,000 mark.
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Even more facepalm. Seriously? Are we going to take some guys opinion as a fact, when, as Aki said, the game did better here than Japan?
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Even more facepalm. Seriously? Are we going to take some guys opinion as a fact, when, as Aki said, the game did better here than Japan?
George you just have realize that when I was on message boards with Sega fans of a decade ago everybody talked this way. Now you newer generation have lost touch with that to the point of denying it all.
I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with that quote, the whole way too Japanese for our taste is simply wrong because it did better here than it did in Japan, which was below the 70,000 mark.
Guys, you have to population adjust the figure by a factor of 3. Pop Japan is roughly 110 million vs U.S. 300 million. If that's fair.
I will try to find the actual numbers for comparison but your welcome to post them in the meantime if you happen up them first
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Damn, this thread is freaking awesome. Thanks for creating it, guys! ^___^
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I haven't found the Jet numbers yet but take a look a this, George
Shenmue U.S.:
http://shenmuenet.proboards.com/index.c ... thread=380 (http://shenmuenet.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=shenmue&action=display&thread=380)
It also sold moderately well, with 460,316 units in the US alone (according to NPD).
Shenmue Japan:
http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=394109&page=2 (http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=394109&page=2)
Dreamcast
29/12/99 [SDC] Shenmue (Sega) - 60.025 / 355.902
So, population adjusted-- Shenmue U.S. 460K vs Shenmue Japan 1.1 million (355x3)(population adjusted).
Guess, that ends the myth that Shenmue did "better in the west", no?
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Guys, you have to population adjust the figure by a factor of 3. Pop Japan is roughly 110 million vs U.S. 300 million. If that's fair.
And below 70,000 would still be considered a failure in Japan, major SEGA titles, like Panzer Dragoon, Shenmue, Sonic the Hedgehog, Phantasy Star, Crazy Taxi, Yakuza, Virtua Fighter etc all easily broke the 100,000 mark. Jet Set Radio did not.
So where it should do really well because it is too Japanese, it does not. The validity of your quote is incorrect.
The truth is, Japan's tastes are as worse as America's depending on someone's view point, this is the country that bought more Turbographx than the SEGA Mega Drive.
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Guys, you have to population adjust the figure by a factor of 3. Pop Japan is roughly 110 million vs U.S. 300 million. If that's fair.
And below 70,000 would still be considered a failure in Japan, major SEGA titles, like Panzer Dragoon, Shenmue, Sonic the Hedgehog, Phantasy Star, Crazy Taxi, Yakuza, Virtua Fighter etc all easily broke the 100,000 mark. Jet Set Radio did not.
So where it should do really well because it is too Japanese, it does not. The validity of your quote is incorrect.
The truth is, Japan's tastes are as worse as America's depending on someone's view point, this is the country that bought more Turbographx than the SEGA Mega Drive.
Acknowledging those point there are other factors to consider like PS2 had been out longer in Japan when Jet released there, plus, actually, while the style is Japanese the urban skater concept is definitely western.
Take a look at this:
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Dreamcast (http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Dreamcast)
As of 2007, the Dreamcast has sold 10.6 million units; 4.28 million in North America, 2.32 million in Japan, and 1.97 million in Europe
Population adjusted DC did better in Japan than America.
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Still MORE people got up out of their house, got a 'hardcore Dreamcast' machine and bought JSR in America. No arguments.
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Still MORE people got up out of their house, got a 'hardcore Dreamcast' machine and bought JSR in America. No arguments.
You fail basic sales analysis if you are going to discount population size as a market variable. You would get an F on a marketing test that way, seriously.
Your myths are starting to disolve, friend. . .
George,
I found these just for you.
Gaming Age (most pop gaming forum on internet at the time) archive threads from 10 years ago:
Dreamcast starting to go mainstream?
http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/baseme ... 4-2000.htm (http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/dc-mainstream-10-14-2000.htm)
"Are you sure he wasn't a Sega fanboy? I would be in total shock to hear a casual gamer say something like that. I thought mainstream gamers all hate Sega?"
"I'm really loking forward to sega becoming more mainstream though."
"I really hope the DC takes off in a major way. It's quite possibly the best system I've ever bought, and I'd hate to see it die because of the masses mindlessly buying PS2."
http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/baseme ... 6-2000.htm (http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/sega-fan-happy-10-26-2000.htm)
I can't wait until the hype can finally diminish. That will happen with the PS2 launch. The people who say it blows the DC away graphically (I'm not even talking about the people in this forum, just general mainstreamers) will finally be able to compare the systems.
But don't get all whiny on me now Sony fans, I'm well aware that the PS2 will hold the mainstream marketand sell a lot of systems.
Welcome to a consumer-based culture. Hoo-ray!
The PS2 won't stop being in gross demand for eons, now. The 10% of the potential purchasing audience that has some degree of savviness will probably opt for a DC this season (chances are they already have one, though), but the PS2 is a frickin' runaway train, now. Take that metaphor as you will.
George,
I offer this as conclusive evidential proof that a decade ago gaming was still a niche industry with hardcore gamers being part of a subculture that was on the verge of going mainstream big time with Sony and PS2. As you can clearly and plainly see there was a clear divide in the minds of the old Sega fans between the old gaming where Sega was the hardcore favorite and the new mainstream gaming of PS2 that threatened it. PS2 won and Sega and DC was a casualty of the new mainstream core gaming audiences.
CASE CLOSED.
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East,
You are delusional. If SEGA is ahead of their time, then gaming right now is what SEGA wanted it to be. No?
End of. No more SEGA vs. Sony. I don't care.
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East,
You are delusional. If SEGA is ahead of their time, then gaming right now is what SEGA wanted it to be. No?
Bland games, no style, casual gameplay, big-budget, sequels? Maybe that is what the management wanted but not the artists that made the games.
I don't think they wanted MS and Sony dominating which is what any hardcore gamer a decade ago could see was going to happen with a little insight.
If gaming is what Sega wanted why did it get taken over by a gambling company, have it's key artists leave and relegated to churning out crappy Sonic games being a small player in western and eastern publishing markets.
You've never played Segagaga, what I go on about here is identical to the conversations between the management and game creator NPC's
Ignore the evidence :roll:
End of. No more SEGA vs. Sony. I don't care.
You should care if you are a real Sega fan and want to help the company back to its glory, but maybe you're just a Sony guy mysteriously writing for a Sega site.
Does that make any sense? Maybe you could explain it for me?
Here, this is interesting:
http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/baseme ... 4-2003.htm (http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/sega-dc-sales-03-04-2003.htm)
TONY HAWK PRO SKATER May-00 CRAVE ENTERTAINMENT 30 338,547
1968 DC TONY HAWKS PRO SKATER2 Nov-00 ACTIVISION 6 354,381
1144 DC JET GRIND RADIO Oct-00 SEGA OF AMERICA 226 291,609
The western mainstream urban skater outsold the Japanese one on the software makers console platform.
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This thread confuses me. That's why I read it but never post in it.
What points are trying to be made? (general question, not just directed at the above post)
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(http://http://cody.alreadyread.net/images/am%20I%20kawaii%20uguu.jpg)
Japanese Style
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This thread confuses me. That's why I read it but never post in it.
What points are trying to be made? (general question, not just directed at the above post)
Basically Eastside is saying that everything sucks and we are all not true Sega fans because we don't hate everything after the year 2000.
Also if a game has Red and Blue in the same frame, then it's made by Nagoshi, because nobody else can do that apparantly.
So Halo then
(http://http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060820154115/halo/images/b/b9/RedTeamMultiplayer.jpg)
(http://http://www.gamesindustrywire.com/files/2007/04/halo-3-multiplayer.jpg)
Halo has Red and Blue in it. Therefore it is made by Nagoshi and has true Japan Sega style DNA Hardcore Niche balls up the arse.
Also heres a quote from an MSN conversation
Halo is the best sega game ever
So there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Irrefutable evidence that Halo is the best Sega game ever made, and nothing will ever top it.
Along with this evidence is a handgun and 100 rounds of untracable ammunition to be used as you see fit. You have been given Carte Blanche, any investigation will be dropped immediately when the bullets are recovered, you are above the law.
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Halo is true SEGA DNA. Mademan made an expert analyze.
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(http://http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/food/doritos-bizarre-flavor.jpg)
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Japan needs to look from great developers like IO interactive:
(http://http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091225010647/kaneandlynch/images/b/bf/Dgn_kane_and_lynch_2_dog_days_logo.jpg)
ORIGINAL AND UNIQUE.
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Go read the Official Playstation Magazine preview of Vanquish like i just did.
You would think they were taking right from my posts in writing it; all the comments about style, east vs west, the gameplay being frenetic, putting you in a groove and zone state of mind. Distinctions from western 3ps. The feelings the director wanted to evoke, etc.
I'm not saying anything far out it's just that its out of your conceptions so you guys get all insecure and idiotic since mainstream gaming is symptomatic of a failed and underachieved life characterized by personal insecurity, denial, and intensely defensive behavior.
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More proof that Halo is fine art
I think many artists create because they want to express their own interpretation on things. With Halo we wanted to do it our way, but even then it was more of self expression rather than a way to purposefully differentiate from the crop. Ultimately what ended up making the game what it is was a good sense of art direction and a good creative team.
We definitely have some of the greatest folks in the industry working on this series, which helps :). But I also believe what sets Halo apart is the whole package.
http://www.gamecritics.com/interview-wi ... i-kai-wang (http://www.gamecritics.com/interview-with-halo-3-lead-3d-artist-shi-kai-wang)
Okay seriously East, you have to stop taking all this stuff so seriously. I think you really underappreciate the kind of work and love that goes into the games you bash and deride as 'casual' or 'soulless'.
Listen to some ODST music, you'll be impressed. It has a really brilliant soundtrack.
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I'm just settling on a difference in style preference with you and leaving it at that.
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I'm just settling on a difference in style preference with you and leaving it at that.
Thats fine with me, so long as you can appreciate that Halo and it's ilk do have their own style and identity, even if it's not to your personal tastes.
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I remember playing This Is Football.. It was pretty weak..
Oh on the PS it was crap . On the PS2 the series was just something else . Really loved them onthe PS2 and thought they were better football games than either Pro or Fifa .
Of course all those games are stylized. . . what is stylized about Halo, CoD aor any of the generic western gun games? Nor, more to the point, are any of those games "gun" games by any stretch.
I'm seriously getting bored of this notion that a FPS or Gun game can't be Arty . Halo has some fantastic art and a quite beautiful and stunning game to look at . COD sure it looks less arty, but there is a skill in making a world look believable, and modelling Guns and Characters well.
Half-Life EP II is a quite stunning game to look at , with some stunning scenery and wide open spaces and just beautiful landscapes and lighting .
You ever played XIII ?. That can't be Arty can it , because its a Westeren FPS , even though it using Cel shading graphics through the entire game
Still MORE people got up out of their house, got a 'hardcore Dreamcast' machine and bought JSR in America. No arguments.
Yeah and for the Mega Drive too . GOD the Americans are the true real SEGA Hardcore , In your face Japanese*
* Waits for Mr Marketing man to hit back with comments from other forums to back up his case , which is quite frankly laughable.
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I remember playing This Is Football.. It was pretty weak..
Oh on the PS it was crap . On the PS2 the series was just something else . Really loved them onthe PS2 and thought they were better football games than either Pro or Fifa .
Aah, I need to try it then.. Maybe some of my PS2 buddies have the game.
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What a waste of time thread... we already know that East does better :afroman: