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Title: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Nirmugen on May 11, 2015, 09:22:31 pm
Welcome to another edition of this fantastic thread  :))


This time we don't know in what console a Title/SKU's are gonna be released but we see more releases than last year.


(http://i.imgur.com/SYfUj5G.png)




Now we see that they regroup the West in one entity (Overseas) like the Arcade business reports.


We can't assume that they are gonna releases every title in both regions although now one Atlus game got released by Sega Europe lasy fiscal year.


There are 20 titles planned for Overseas. This include Atlus games and possibly doesn't count FM/TW games after the annoucement of reintroducing franchises like the second one as "Digital Titles" but it's possible that Europe or UK will get a physical releases of FM16' and it could happen that "established IP's" got a new title too .


In either both cases, there are 20 titles from 1st April,2015 to 31 March 2016.


OP Corrected!! (12/5) Possible new titles after FY2015 Report statements are added. The correct image added too (sorry xD).

The titles we have already known are:


Sega:
-Hatsune Miku Project Mirai DX (3DS)- May 2015
-Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (PS3,PSVita)- Fall 2015/2Q FY2016
-Football Manager 16 (PC-UK possible Limited release)- 3Q FY2016
*Total War Attila Expansion (PC-UK possible Limited release)* - TBA
*Relic Warhammer/Company of Heroes Title or Expansion (PC possible Limited release)* - TBA
*Sonic Spin-Off Title (Multi or Exclusive)* - TBA

Atlus:
-Etrian Oddisey Mystery Dungeon (3DS)- April 2015
-Shin Megami Tensei: (http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/shin-megami-tensei-devil-survivor-2-record-breaker) Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker (3DS)- May 2015
-Lost Dimension (PS3, PSVita)- July 2015
-Etrian Oddisey Untold 2: The Fafnir Knight (3DS)- August 2015
-Dungeon Traveler 2: The Royal Library & the Monster Seal (PSVita)- August 2015
-Persona 4: Dancing All Night (PSVita) - TBA FY2016
-Stella Glow (3DS)- TBA FY2016
-Persona 5 (PS3, PS4)- TBA FY 2016

So, we know 14/11 of 20 titles. There are 6/9 more packaged games to be announced. If you know something that I passed, tell me.


Let the thread begins!!
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Chaosmaster8753 on May 11, 2015, 10:55:55 pm
Uh, Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains is an eShop exclusive in America and Europe.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Berto on May 11, 2015, 11:49:01 pm
Persona 4: Dancing All Night said to be released in 2015 for western (June for Japan).

Link : http://www.atlus.com/p4dan/

(https://www.segalization.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Persona-4-Dancing-All-Night-Swimsuits-7-625x354.jpg)
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: crackdude on May 12, 2015, 04:26:24 am
Persona 4: Dancing All Night said to be released in 2015 for western (June for Japan).

Link : http://www.atlus.com/p4dan/

(https://www.segalization.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Persona-4-Dancing-All-Night-Swimsuits-7-625x354.jpg)
What is this game.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Trippled on May 12, 2015, 04:31:52 am
This further proves that Atlus USA is the most prolific packaged game producer at the moment for Sega Sammy, since they currently have an overseas Holding company. Really wierd...
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Sharky on May 12, 2015, 04:53:49 am
What is this game.

I have a feeling you were being sarcastic, but in case not, It's basically the same concept as Project Diva but with Persona characters. It's of no interest to me. Although I have to say as far as 'anime style' goes I love the aesthetic they're using in their games since Catharine. It's really easy on the eyes and although it's not some cutting edge tech the art style more than makes up for it.

(https://sacandopuntaalpixel.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/catherine-game-screenshots-0016-1.jpg)

(http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Persona4Dancing-9.jpg)

(http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/persona-5-1423330617.png)
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Aki-at on May 12, 2015, 06:38:18 am

What I presume some of these Japanese games are;- Alien: Isolation
- The new dance rhythm game with girls from all those animes/light novels for Vita
- Tembo Japanese release


Western titles;
- Yakuza 5
- Tembo the Badass Elephant


I'd remove Warhammer from the list, most likely that game is coming out in April 2016 onwards considering the expected units sold from SEGA.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Trippled on May 12, 2015, 06:43:46 am
^Aren't Yakuza and Tembo digital only?
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: TimmiT on May 12, 2015, 07:45:17 am
20 games or 20 SKUs?
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Aki-at on May 12, 2015, 07:47:37 am
^Aren't Yakuza and Tembo digital only?

I do believe major games are considered packaged games.

20 games or 20 SKUs?

20 games. They mentioned 24 SKUs in another row.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 12, 2015, 08:37:13 am
* Sonic Runners HD
* Dreamcast Collection 2 (Sonic Shuffle, Sega GT, CART Flag to Flag, and Crazy Taxi (but a less shitty port so you buy it again)
* Bayonetta turn based Grand Strategy game (PC Exclusive)
* Football Manager Gaiden: Arsenal Revenger (stylish action game in the vein of DMC/Bayonetta based around Arsene Wenger)
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Aki-at on May 12, 2015, 08:41:54 am
* Football Manager Gaiden: Arsenal Revenger (stylish action game in the vein of DMC/Bayonetta based around Arsene Wenger)

Holy shit.

Please submit your CV for SEGA CEO.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: crackdude on May 12, 2015, 10:06:24 am
I have a feeling you were being sarcastic, but in case not, It's basically the same concept as Project Diva but with Persona characters. It's of no interest to me. Although I have to say as far as 'anime style' goes I love the aesthetic they're using in their games since Catharine. It's really easy on the eyes and although it's not some cutting edge tech the art style more than makes up for it.
I was not. I actually love this sort of game.
I don't know the Persona characters, but same as you I love the art.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Sharky on May 12, 2015, 12:27:27 pm
I was not. I actually love this sort of game.
I don't know the Persona characters, but same as you I love the art.

In that case, its Persona 4: Dancing All Night for the PS Vita

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpplrQdOE0
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Nirmugen on May 12, 2015, 09:39:01 pm
OP updated!
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 12, 2015, 09:51:59 pm
Something is wrong when a bigger company like SEGA has less titles coming out than Atlus. I hope they fix this soon with new game announcements.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Nirmugen on May 12, 2015, 11:16:26 pm
Well Atlus on their own will publish 5 titles and Sega 3/6 titles but I think they need to announce something because it could  feel empty most of the year :/


Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Berto on May 12, 2015, 11:44:21 pm

So, we know 14/11 of 20 titles.


LOL  ;-D
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Sharky on May 13, 2015, 04:56:09 am
I don't believe Attila will be getting any more major updates. Attila is the update of Rome 2.
I do think Total Warhammer will be released in this financial year though.
Isn't Stella Glow published by SEGA?

Does Tembo count?
Yakuza 5?

Also where is this Sonic spin off news coming from? Or even rumour? You have put * by some titles but not explained what it stands for? I assume rumours?
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 13, 2015, 08:36:18 am
Something is wrong when a bigger company like SEGA has less titles coming out than Atlus. I hope they fix this soon with new game announcements.

Hmm, packaged games aren't Sega's focus anymore though. Makes sense to me, especially since Atlus is striking while the iron is hot with Persona spinoffs in every direction.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 13, 2015, 01:24:46 pm
Can someone explain to me how Atlus can afford to localize stuff like Lost Dimension, Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold, Dungeon Travelers 2, Etrian Mystery Dungeon and a few others in span of months but SEGA  hasn't been able to bring a Shining game over since Shining Force EXA in 2007? I mean, I thought Shining Resonance on PS3 could have done well, even if only released digitally.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 13, 2015, 01:27:03 pm
Can someone explain to me how Atlus can afford to localize stuff like Lost Dimension, Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold, Dungeon Travelers 2, Etrian Mystery Dungeon and a few others in span of months but SEGA  hasn't been able to bring a Shining game over since Shining Force EXA in 2007? I mean, I thought Shining Resonance on PS3 could have done well, even if only released digitally.

Please keep those terrible looking Shining Games in Japan.

Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 13, 2015, 01:28:35 pm
This game looks fun though, sure it has new anime look to it but it isn't like the past games where the girls all looked like they where out of some pron manga.

Here is some gameplay with subtitles, tell me it doesn't look like fun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ni6Uj0kxLg
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 13, 2015, 01:34:12 pm
Gameplay? All I can see is 1.5 hours of dialogue. Where is the gameplay specifically? Is it SRPG? TELL ME MORE GEORGE.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 13, 2015, 01:43:12 pm
I know SRPGs sell 80 million copies, but this is an action RPG sorta like Xenoblade Chronicles. ITs not a mainline series, its a Action RPG side game.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 13, 2015, 02:01:43 pm
I know SRPGs sell 80 million copies, but this is an action RPG sorta like Xenoblade Chronicles. ITs not a mainline series, its a Action RPG side game.

Interesting, is there actual battle footage in that video? I skipped through an awful lot but it was all just dialogue segments.

Also I wasn't going to complain if it wasn't an SRPG, I don't think any Shining games are SRPGs anymore.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 13, 2015, 03:11:13 pm
This is better for gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIE1CGlc4h4

The game looks fun, not a SRPG or anything but a least the characters aren't overly sexual in this entry. (still a little sexy but compared to the last enteries...)
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Mariano on May 13, 2015, 04:44:24 pm
I don't believe Attila will be getting any more major updates. Attila is the update of Rome 2.
I do think Total Warhammer will be released in this financial year though.
Isn't Stella Glow published by SEGA?

Does Tembo count?
Yakuza 5?

Also where is this Sonic spin off news coming from? Or even rumour? You have put * by some titles but not explained what it stands for? I assume rumours?


Attila will have something, but i agree about Warhammer.
Stella Glow will be published by SEGA in Japan and by Atlus here.
Tembo and Yakuza 5 does not count, i am pretty sure.
I really doubt we will have a Sonic game this fiscal year. They expect to sell 7 millons of copies in general and i assume that 4 millons are from the "catalogue" (all the games that SEGA and Atlus already released and are still to be bought).
So more or less they expect to sell only 3 millons copies this year...and pretty sure Persdona 5 will get one of this 3.
This will be a "easy" year in my opinion, but at least we have some games here and there.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Nirmugen on May 13, 2015, 05:02:15 pm
That's why I put the "Sonic Spin-off"  in the releases.

I saw the expected sales from this year in terms of packaged games but now they count FM and TW as Digital Titles with limited packaged release(BTW maybe we receive a Bundle pack with Rome 2 Complete Edition and Attila just as past releases) and the AAA Title from CA Console Team is gonna be released next year, so it's possible that we get a proper Sonic title with 1.5 million in expected sales in 3 platforms. The rest will be for P5 released in 2 platforms for the end of last half of the fiscal year.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Mariano on May 13, 2015, 05:54:44 pm
I see, Ok maybe then.
Dont get me wrong, i want a new Sonic game, i just dont see it .
About ROME2, we will pretty sure get this year a "Collection edition", to add something.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 14, 2015, 09:20:56 am
I wasn't sure how they would handle Attila. Are they treating it like Fall of the Samurai, or more like Napoleon?
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Sharky on May 14, 2015, 09:31:47 am
I would have said it's the Napoleon of Rome 2... It certainly does for Rome 2 what Napoleon did for Empire. Aka, fix it.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Draikin on May 14, 2015, 12:16:35 pm
Something is wrong when a bigger company like SEGA has less titles coming out than Atlus. I hope they fix this soon with new game announcements.
I'm puzzled as to how Atlus is managing to localize and develop all of these games given how small they are compared to Sega. I'm not sure if they ever churned out this many games before. It's like they suddenly went into overdrive once they got the financial stability they needed. If Sega-Sammy has done one thing right, it's buying the right studios and giving them the freedom to do what they do best. Creative Assembly has turned into one a development powerhouse under Sega-Sammy's wings, and it looks like Atlus might be set to experience the same growth. I think Persona 5 has a lot of potential to become a big hit for Sega, in Japan and also overseas. It seems Sega-Sammy realizes that, given how they highlighted the game in their forecast.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 14, 2015, 12:20:30 pm
Yeah, I just wish that SEGA Japan gave their in-house Japanese team a bit more freedom as well. It seems like SEGA-AM2 is stuck doing Hatsune Miku games, while not terrible games are a farcry from the types of games they made in the 80's, 90's and even in the 00's...

I think SEGA-AM2 should be asked to just make a game for PS4 and see how it goes. Worse thing that happens, its a bomb. I doubt it will though, given their experience in gaming. I don't think arcade ports will do that well anymore as a full packaged title.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Trippled on May 14, 2015, 12:34:00 pm
I'd say it is time to stop make the arcade priority to the AM teams in general. Lots of talented staff who made all kinds of arcade games, could make a fun digital title. Crazy Taxi creator has expressed interrest for an online Crazy Taxi game on consoles, or Kataoka making a Fighting Megamix 2.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Mariano on May 15, 2015, 12:18:49 am
Now that a think about it, what games are those 15 that we get last fiscal year?.
(From Atlus and SEGA)
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Berto on May 15, 2015, 01:10:36 am
Now that a think about it, what games are those 15 that we get last fiscal year?.
(From Atlus and SEGA)

From SEGA :

Ryu ga Gotoku Ishin! (PS4)
Ryu ga Gotoku Ishin! (PS3)
Hero Bank (3DS)
Hero Bank 2 (3DS)
Shining Resonance (PS3)
Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F 2nd (PS3)
Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F 2nd (PSV)
Uta Kumi 575 (PS Vita)
Chain Chronicle V (PS Vita)
Puyopuyo Tetris (PS3)
Puyopuyo Tetris (PS Vita)
Puyopuyo Tetris (Wii U)
Puyopuyo Tetris (3DS)
Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal (3DS)
Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric (Wii U)
Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (PS3)
Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (PS Vita)
SEGA 3D Fukkoku Archives (3DS)
Phantasy Star Nova (PS Vita)
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Mariano on May 15, 2015, 03:14:32 pm
From SEGA :

Ryu ga Gotoku Ishin! (PS4)
Ryu ga Gotoku Ishin! (PS3)
Hero Bank (3DS)
Hero Bank 2 (3DS)
Shining Resonance (PS3)
Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F 2nd (PS3)
Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F 2nd (PSV)
Uta Kumi 575 (PS Vita)
Chain Chronicle V (PS Vita)
Puyopuyo Tetris (PS3)
Puyopuyo Tetris (PS Vita)
Puyopuyo Tetris (Wii U)
Puyopuyo Tetris (3DS)
Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal (3DS)
Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric (Wii U)
Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (PS3)
Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (PS Vita)
SEGA 3D Fukkoku Archives (3DS)
Phantasy Star Nova (PS Vita)

No, i mean last fiscal year (31 March 2014 - 31 March 2015). Games like Yakuza ishin and Hero bank 1 doesnt count. And i also think is does not matter the console versions. Are 15 games all different.
Those 15 games according to SEGA-SAMMY were all in the west last fiscal year, so games like Hero bank 2 and yakuza 0 doesnt also count.

From that list it would be:

Hatsune Miku PDF2
Alien isolation
Sonic BOOM ROL
Sonic BOOM SC
Persona Q
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
FM2015

Sorry my memory but i dont remember anything else...
Anybody?

PD:Thanks for the list nevertheless Berto
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 15, 2015, 03:29:57 pm
Are you sure they specified in the west? Also in retail terms each different platform is a different 'SKU' or product, so it would make sense.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Nirmugen on May 15, 2015, 03:39:42 pm
The restructure help the reports to difference releases for Overseas and Japan.

They put 15 Overseas titles for the last fiscal year.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Aki-at on May 15, 2015, 03:56:36 pm
Attila will have something, but i agree about Warhammer.
Stella Glow will be published by SEGA in Japan and by Atlus here.
Tembo and Yakuza 5 does not count, i am pretty sure.
I really doubt we will have a Sonic game this fiscal year. They expect to sell 7 millons of copies in general and i assume that 4 millons are from the "catalogue" (all the games that SEGA and Atlus already released and are still to be bought).
So more or less they expect to sell only 3 millons copies this year...and pretty sure Persdona 5 will get one of this 3.
This will be a "easy" year in my opinion, but at least we have some games here and there.

I think Tembo and Yakuza does count. In the past SEGA has put PC releases as a different SKU in America, even though they don't have retail versions of Total War or Company of Heroes available, it is the same for the 3DS. I'm pretty sure you can verify this by looking at that list alone.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 15, 2015, 06:13:10 pm
I think Tembo and Yakuza does count. In the past SEGA has put PC releases as a different SKU in America, even though they don't have retail versions of Total War or Company of Heroes available, it is the same for the 3DS. I'm pretty sure you can verify this by looking at that list alone.

They don't have retail TW or CoH? Really? I've seen Rome 2 for sale in stores in Canada at least, and Australia definitely had retail of both. I bought CoH2 retail and I think I've seen Attila on shelves too.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Mariano on May 15, 2015, 08:47:35 pm
They had retail versions for ROME2, Attila, and COH2. For now.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: TimmiT on May 16, 2015, 12:28:07 pm
Something is wrong when a bigger company like SEGA has less titles coming out than Atlus. I hope they fix this soon with new game announcements.
To be fair, a lot of Atlus' titles are localizations and updated versions of older games.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Berto on May 17, 2015, 08:16:03 pm
The restructure help the reports to difference releases for Overseas and Japan.

They put 15 Overseas titles for the last fiscal year.

What if Overseas doesn't always mean western?
What if Asia's region (R3) is considered as overseas too?  ;)

We got Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax, Shining Resonance, Chain Chronicle V, and Phantasy Star Nova localized here..
But in chinese, not in english.  :(
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Nirmugen on May 17, 2015, 08:43:24 pm
What if Overseas doesn't always mean western?
What if Asia's region (R3) is considered as overseas too?  ;)

We got Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax, Shining Resonance, Chain Chronicle V, and Phantasy Star Nova localized here..
But in chinese, not in english.  :(

Maybe but those games were released last fiscal year, so we can count Yakuza 0 as another entry but ,until E3 ,nothing is clear right now :/
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 17, 2015, 08:52:02 pm
Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax is coming to America in a boxed version, that was already announced.
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: Nirmugen on May 17, 2015, 08:58:01 pm
Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax is coming to America in a boxed version, that was already announced.

Berto was talking about the Chinese/Southeast Asia Version of that game because the last fiscal report divided their regions as Japan and Overseas (America, Europe and Asia).
Title: Re: SEGA forecast for 2016 (Mystery SKU Guessing Game Strikes Back)
Post by: George on May 17, 2015, 09:00:55 pm
Ah yeah, alright sorry.