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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Trippled on July 14, 2015, 12:14:08 pm
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Thought I share
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■ Consumer game
◇ "Sonic" series
◇ "Yakuza" series
◇ "Phantasy Star" series
◇ "Let's Make a Pro Soccer Club" series
◇ "Puyo" series
◇ "Shining" series
■ network game ◇ Phantasy Star Online 2 ◇ Let's Make a professional baseball team! Online 2
■ mobile game ◇ chain Chronicle ◇ Puyo !! quest ◇ Kingdom Conquest 2 ◇ monster gear ◇ Orutanshia Saga - Blue Knighs
■ amusement equipment video games: ◇ "Border Break" series ◇ "Virtua Fighter" series ◇ "WCCF" series ◇ Hatsune Miku Project DIVA Arcade ◇ "Sengoku War", "Romance of the Three Kingdoms War" series ◇ "Shining Force" series ◇ Wonderland Wars other
■ amusement equipment prize products: ◇ "UFO catcher" series ◇ "GALILEO FACTORY" series ◇ "StarHorse" Series
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Its interresting that their "network" games hasn't grown at all despite the PSO2 success
Also I wonder if more console games is just more localiuazations of the staple series listed or will branch out.
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I actually find this quite sad. Do they not realise how many IP's they still have locked away that could easily become bigger then those mentioned.
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I actually find this quite sad. Do they not realise how many IP's they still have locked away that could easily become bigger then those mentioned.
Other than Let's Make a Sports Team and Shining series, the list is a lot smaller than you think.
Crazy Taxi, Streets of Rage and Shinobi are the only ones to come to mind.
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Nice to see 'Virtua Fighter Series' there.
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I find Sega's commitment to the Shining series wierd. Didnt Valk 3 sell just as well as newer Shining?
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I find Sega's commitment to the Shining series wierd. Didnt Valk 3 sell just as well as newer Shining?
Storm speculated the reason being was because the producer of the games was being "protected" by Nagoshi.
I personally think the sales of the models probably plays a bigger hand in that.
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Storm speculated the reason being was because the producer of the games was being "protected" by Nagoshi.
I personally think the sales of the models probably plays a bigger hand in that.
Interesting. I would have thought that Valk has just as much potential for spin off merch though. I mean, even vehicles would be awesome toys/models. It's probably all about them bikini figurines you can 'hot glue' though (even so, Selvaria alone would be a gold mine for that).
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Interesting. I would have thought that Valk has just as much potential for spin off merch though. I mean, even vehicles would be awesome toys/models. It's probably all about them bikini figurines you can 'hot glue' though (even so, Selvaria alone would be a gold mine for that).
Yeah but maybe the people who made Valkyria Chronicles didn't want their series to be turned into a dating series? The Shining series doesn't really have anyone to shoot down this stuff and content would making more and more sex appeal girls.
That would be my guess.
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To be honest I think this is a list of games that are currently major products making major money. They're not saying everything not listed is on the shit list never to be seen again. Nothing to worry about frankly.
As Mademan said, happy to see VF on that list, pretty much guarantees more VF in the future... I do hope we see more Valkyria Chronicles too though.
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Yeah but maybe the people who made Valkyria Chronicles didn't want their series to be turned into a dating series? The Shining series doesn't really have anyone to shoot down this stuff and content would making more and more sex appeal girls.
I feel like they weren't too shy about the sex appeal with their characters, I would be surprised if they were that concerned about the series being used for sexy figurines etc. I mean, the beach scene alone was pretty fan-servicey.
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I feel like they weren't too shy about the sex appeal with their characters, I would be surprised if they were that concerned about the series being used for sexy figurines etc. I mean, the beach scene alone was pretty fan-servicey.
Yeah but Valkyria Chronicles major money maker wasn't the sex appeal, whilst I feel like it is with Shining. It's anyone's guess though, 7th Dragon is still continuing and that's smaller than either series.
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I actually find this quite sad. Do they not realise how many IP's they still have locked away that could easily become bigger then those mentioned.
With which arguments you think that? (i am really asking)
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Skies of Arcadia, Golden Axe, Shinobi, Jet Set Radio, Panzer Dragoon, SEGA All-Stars Racing seems to have just disappeared since the last 2 did well and plenty others in their rich history. I'm not saying release them just because, but they seem to be just ignoring a lot of their own great games when some of them could of been built or maintained into something quite strong.
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the last 2? Panzer dragon and SEGA all star racing?, no idea about Panzer dragon but the all star racing thing have their last game only 3 years ago, is not a lot of time.
I dont trust SEGA Japan in bringing an old or a new franchise to live in a world scale level anyway, i think they are good at what they do but they dont really know how to promote their assets and efforts to a big scale. They reuse some franchises and create new ones, but pretty much non of them have succes in the west, rather because their own limitations or rather the power of the west publishers.
Is pretty much confirm to me that if someome is going to put a game on the table that can be a world succes is SEGA west (SEGA Europe to point out), and i dont think we should ask them to reuse some old franchise, with being original and creative is enough for me, is more the people than ask for something new than the people that want a sequel of "X" game anyway.
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Thinking about it, I suppose as great as some of those games were, they do sit on the fringe a bit and I do agree, we'd probably have better luck asking the teams from my neck of the woods than the Japanese side. I do think there would of been a market for them though if they had tried what I once heard was called the "Nintendo approach." Basically, you design a game and if an already established brand fits into it well, they implement it as characters back story, world, law etc is already in place.
Take Golden Axe for example. Take out the extreme gore and bring the style GA had into it and you could make a pretty fun action-adventure hack n slash game. Perhaps even allowing 2 players that could use team based attacks for more points etc.
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Some of requested series don't have their developers anymore. If they want to start doing more quality control on legacy franchises, it would take careful planning that gamers are growing impatient with.
But it would help if people actually buy what they do release. Shinobi 3D is an example of a now bargain bin title that probably could have greenlit another entry by now. And I would like another 3D Shinobi like the PS2 one.
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The PS2 Shinobi game was absolutely hated when it came out, especially by retro fans at the time. Its funny how people are more forgiving on SEGA titles as time passes by. I remember a lot of people say Valkyria Chronicles looked like shit when it was announced and continued on the 'Its not as good as some game I grew up with' wagon.
Maybe that is the issue with SEGA fans, they aren't really 'SEGA' fans per say but a fan of a franchise. See 'plz make Shenmue new one plz' and 'JSRF NO SEGA" posts on their facebook.
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Yeah, I do find that weird. I do wonder why it happened though. They probably won't, but if Nintendo decided to go third party too one day, it'll be interesting to see if they get similar treatment.
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Yeah, I do find that weird. I do wonder why it happened though. They probably won't, but if Nintendo decided to go third party too one say, it'll be interesting to see if they get similar treatment.
Nintendo has focused on its major selling franchises for a while.
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Nintendo has focused on its major selling franchises for a while.
Of course, they've got hardware to sell and need to, but take that a way and I wonder if they'll fall into the same situation as SEGA. I personally feel as though Nintendo get an easy pass when it comes to their games already mind.
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Nintendo absolutely gets the easy pass, they're slow on the uptake of features that are standard in other publishers game for years before they implement it, and then it's half arsed... Like online play.
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Nintendo absolutely gets the easy pass, they're slow on the uptake of features that are standard in other publishers game for years before they implement it, and then it's half arsed... Like online play.
I couldn't agree more mate . Why NCl get such good will is beyond me . Sure they make the best 3D platform games bar none but that's it . They make hardly anything new can hardly make more than 1 or 2 games a year and treat us all like the 6 years olds .
The only good thing I can say about NCL of late is that they never ship a game with a bad game engine or a game full of bugs : NCL must have the best Q&A dept for their In-House games there is
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The PS2 Shinobi game was absolutely hated when it came out, especially by retro fans at the time. Its funny how people are more forgiving on SEGA titles as time passes by. I remember a lot of people say Valkyria Chronicles looked like shit when it was announced and continued on the 'Its not as good as some game I grew up with' wagon.
Maybe that is the issue with SEGA fans, they aren't really 'SEGA' fans per say but a fan of a franchise. See 'plz make Shenmue new one plz' and 'JSRF NO SEGA" posts on their facebook.
Huh, I always really liked Shinobi. The tate ability is still one of my favorite ninja tricks in gaming. It was notorious for its difficulty, and lacked polish here and there.
I have noticed this with many post Dreamcast titles. Billy Hatcher, Gunvalkyrie were also games of this gen that earned a cult following. Somebody on the Sega forums was also asking for Altered Beast PS2 HD recently.
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The PS2 Shinobi game was absolutely hated when it came out, especially by retro fans at the time. Its funny how people are more forgiving on SEGA titles as time passes by. I remember a lot of people say Valkyria Chronicles looked like shit when it was announced and continued on the 'Its not as good as some game I grew up with' wagon
??? .
Shinobi on the PS2 was a decent game just far too hard and let down by half ass tech . I know of no-one that thought VC looked like crap, most I knew didn't belive the 1st pictures of the game were the running on the engine that was it was all CGI.
The Canvas engine was fantasic and sadly underused by SEGA and took cel shanding (yes I know its not a real gfx effect) to the next level
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Sega fans are a myth.
As said, Sega games each have their own very very dedicated fanbase. This fanbase sees Sega as an evil entity that doesn't deliver new games on their favorite series, when in reality Sega simply stops investing in series that stop making profit (as it should).
Nintendo has dedicated NINTENDO fans because it still makes consoles.
You buy a Nintendo console and have the Nintendo games there. You'll easily become a Nintendo fan.
When Sega stopped making consoles, Sega franchises were spread out and so were the fans.
No one is an Activision fan or something.
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Sega fans are a myth.
Sega simply stops investing in series that stop making profit (as it should).
Here's an insane thought. Maybe certain series stopped making a profit because of how terribly they were marketed(Valkyria Chonicles) or how poorly the games were made(any recent sonic game that isn't gens/colors)? Sega is crazy about the Aliens franchise because games affiliated with this mega popular brand will sell well regardless of how good they are. Just look at Colonial Marines.
You have fans via consistently producing a high quality product. That's at least how Nintendo does it.
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I agree in some ways but I do feel there is potentiality in bringing back key franchises. I think one of the easiest ones would be something like Jet Set Radio, considering that the concept behind that game is still popular among fans and being a pack-in title with Xbox made it reach a new fanbase that they never capitalized on. I think Jet Set Radio as a franchise can totally have room to grow, for example having better custom tags in different graffati style, online play that has 'king of the hill' type multiplayer. LIke there are 3 map matches, the best of 3 wins (aka people running around taking bigger spray points, each one with their own point system). I think graffati art has grown way bigger than it was when JSR and JSRF came out thanks to people like Bansky and the such.
Its easy to see for that franchise.
I can even see Crazy Taxi being a popular game if handled correctly. Single player focusing on what made the original fun, with loads of customizable Taxis, tons of stuff to unlock and the like. An online play where you and other taxis drive aroudn trying to get the most money until the clock runs out will work so well for this franchise.
There is nothing wrong with doing Alien games, In my opinion that has nothing to do with the quality products released in Japan. SEGA Japan needs to improve their situation and actually make games of quality, the West is already making quality games for a western fanbase and there is nothign wrong with that (in the end of the day, that is their job, to cater to a western audience)
SEGA Japan just needs to be able to make a product that is of equal quality to the Western brand of games (Like Isolation) but with the style of a Japanese developer, I hope Satomi is right in what he said. While personally I rather see their first 'quality game' be a new franchise then slowly bring legacy IPs when they start having success not only in the quality of the game, but selling the fucking game in the west.
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One thing to keep in mind is this is for a job recruiting website.
Not exactly going to say "Yeah you guys remember that franchise we made long ago? Yeah those were the good old days..." they're going to sprout multinational publishers with big sellers all over Japan etc please come work for us!
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There is nothing wrong with doing Alien games, In my opinion that has nothing to do with the quality products released in Japan. SEGA Japan needs to improve their situation and actually make games of quality, the West is already making quality games for a western fanbase and there is nothign wrong with that (in the end of the day, that is their job, to cater to a western audience)
I think you took what I said the wrong way. I'm not saying they should stop making Alien games; I'm saying that it's because they've lost the trust of consumers altogether that they need to rely on established(licensed) franchises like Alien to make a buck in 2015.
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Eh, games like Skies of Arcadia and Space Channel 5 were low selling titles even back when SEGA was making quality titles.
Their problem has been they don't produce big selling titles on a regular basis and back then one Sonic title could cover the losses of 20 failed titles, now it's more like 5.
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I think you took what I said the wrong way. I'm not saying they should stop making Alien games; I'm saying that it's because they've lost the trust of consumers altogether that they need to rely on established(licensed) franchises like Alien to make a buck in 2015.
Well the best selling games on the Genesis were Sonic and licensed games (some of which Sega published)
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Eh, games like Skies of Arcadia and Space Channel 5 were low selling titles even back when SEGA was making quality titles.
Yes, but arguably because they came out on a dying platform with little to no third party support and no advertising buckaroos behind them. You need a platform with a huge install base, quality, and good advertising to birth a smash hit. And hey, after a few said hits Sega might just earn themselves a few new fans.
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I think you took what I said the wrong way. I'm not saying they should stop making Alien games; I'm saying that it's because they've lost the trust of consumers altogether that they need to rely on established(licensed) franchises like Alien to make a buck in 2015.
Personally I think they should focus on making new quality IPs in the vain of Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza series (not like those, but games made by in-house SEGA that are fun to play and hopefully higher quality and more polished).
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Yes, but arguably because they came out on a dying platform with little to no third party support and no advertising buckaroos behind them.
Dying platform? SC5 was a fucking launch window game. The advertising was at it's peak, Ulala being prominent in every goddamn commercial. Not only that, it was one of the (then) few games you could get for the system.
So yea, people sometimes don't buy good games. Investing in them is not that much of a good idea.
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Yes, but arguably because they came out on a dying platform with little to no third party support and no advertising buckaroos behind them. You need a platform with a huge install base, quality, and good advertising to birth a smash hit. And hey, after a few said hits Sega might just earn themselves a few new fans.
I was talking about the Gamecube and Playstation 2 versions but I don't disagree about advertisement. However sales of their third party games were absolute disasters.
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Are Sega of Japan titles really 'low quality'? I thought they were just very light release schedules and just being ultra niche/weeaboo (see Miku and Dengeki). Yakuza seems to be the most likely to have mass appeal, and I'm still kind of boggled as to why it can't ever catch on.
I feel like the issue is just releasing more games that people might want to play rather than 'quality' concerns.
On the topic of Sega's games on other consoles, I feel that was a real mess. I remember at the time the thought of having more than one console was absurd to me. I went with the Xbox because of JSRF & Sega GT bundled with it, as well as the prospect that the Shenmue series would be going there. I missed out on all the Gamecube and PS2 releases (including VF4, which I still regret), and not being a big Panzer Dragoon fan, I never got Orta.
It's really quite weird how my buying habits changed when I didn't have a Sega console.
I didn't even know what Otogi was. That's a game I probably would have enjoyed, but a poor demo and no coverage (no Sega magazines anymore) meant I missed most of Xbox's Sega exclusives. I didn't even get OutRun2 until it was in the bargain bin because I felt I wasn't into racing games or arcade racers for some reason (although playing it much more recently it's phenomenal).
I do think it was just a case of having too many games spread out seemingly randomly on different consoles, and without news and reviews showcasing them (like I would have had for Saturn/Dreamcast magazines), I only read about Halo and Splinter Cell (both excellent games, but still).
I'm rambling, I have no idea what I'm talking about and I need my meds.
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I get what you're saying.
Sega should have somehow maintained it's magazine and try to unite it's fans. It feels they tried to spread them out as much as possible.. (LIKE FIGHTING GAMES?? THEN NO ARCADE RACERS FOR YOU)
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Personally I think they should focus on making new quality IPs in the vain of Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza series (not like those, but games made by in-house SEGA that are fun to play and hopefully higher quality and more polished).
My thoughts exactly, they don't have to be franchises, but they can be high quality games in their style/ideas.
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The following franchise will most likely get attention in the next few years if the announcment last year mean't anything:
- Altered Beast
- Streets of Rage
- Shinobi
- Rise of Nightmares
- Crazy Taxi
- Virtua Fighter
- Golden Axe
http://segabits.com/blog/2014/12/11/sega-planning-development-of-tv-and-film-adaptations-of-video-game-properties/
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The following franchise will most likely get attention in the next few years if the announcment last year mean't anything:
- Altered Beast
- Streets of Rage
- Shinobi
- Rise of Nightmares
- Crazy Taxi
- Virtua Fighter
- Golden Axe
http://segabits.com/blog/2014/12/11/sega-planning-development-of-tv-and-film-adaptations-of-video-game-properties/
Still say a live action Golden Axe tv series would be bloody awesome.
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Still say a live action Golden Axe tv series would be bloody awesome.
My only concern would be that I imagine these are all going to be low budget affairs rather than Game of Thrones style blockbusters. It would end up more like The Adventures of Hercules. Which might not be a bad thing at all actually...
"Gillius! You accidentally gave that Ogre a love potion you fool!"
*Cue 23 minutes of hijinks*
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If it did happen, I really hope it's not as bad as GoT. That series is just insufferable glum to the point of there being no point in watching.
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If it did happen, I really hope it's not as bad as GoT. That series is just insufferable glum to the point of there being no point in watching.
I've only watched the first 3 seasons, but I thought it was pretty good. The fact that I didn't bother watching it since then says something though.
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I like Game of Thrones because its not just happy fantasy. I read the books before the show was announced and got really excited then was a bit shocked at how HBO didn't really promote it (before it was out). I guess I can't complain, its one of the best shows on TV.
There are like dime-a-dozen fantasy novels that all have smiles and happy endings.
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It's just badly written. Every story has conflict and characters that even if you don't particularly like, you can get behind and support in some way. GoT though...is just bad. 95% of the characters are horrible and the rest usually get killed off sooner or later. That type of entertainment gets draining and loses its effect if the writers keep hitting the same emotional well. The viewer/reader etc will eventually just stop caring thus stop watching.
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Calm down mr hipster
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Hipster? I'm too old to care for such things lol
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;)
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It's just badly written. Every story has conflict and characters that even if you don't particularly like, you can get behind and support in some way. GoT though...is just bad. 95% of the characters are horrible and the rest usually get killed off sooner or later. That type of entertainment gets draining and loses its effect if the writers keep hitting the same emotional well. The viewer/reader etc will eventually just stop caring thus stop watching.
I can dig it. I stopped watching it for a similar reason. I actually like that main characters get killed off, it means the show is more tense knowing 'oh that guy is too popular to die'. I disagree that characters aren't likeable, I found a lot of them enjoyable and compelling.
As I said though, I stopped watching after S3 and have no real desire to return so...
We're also getting kind of off topic here. Golden Axe I feel would be more at home with a 90's era style adventure TV series (Besides, I really, REALLY doubt Sega is going to make anything big budget with these ideas).